Burglar VS Gentle Giant: 15yrs old & stood his ground!

[willytheekid]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/5356704/Gentle-giant-allegedly-stabbed-burglar

Detective Senior Sergeant Stan Brown said police understood the father and his son woke to noises on their property.

"They went to investigate and located an intruder in their garage. A scuffle ensued, during which time the 15-year-old son stabbed the intruder.

"Police were promptly called and the intruder was taken to Auckland Hospital.

"His injuries are not considered to be life-threatening," Mr Brown said.

Kid was just defending his property & his father!:yes:.....hope the burglar has a slow & painful rehab!...piece of shit bike thief!:angry: (nasty I know...but screw him!...he returned to pinch the kids new bike!...karmas a bitch with a knife eh)

Really hope this kid dosn't get screwed by our legal system.

Bike thiefs!...hang em high!

[LankyBastard]

Good on the kid, need more people to stick up to these theiving pricks, hopefully the police see it this way too! Haha it did make me smile, justice served!!

[James Deuce]

Armies the world over count on teenage stupidity.

Stabbing is somewhat more serious than attempted burglary, not matter how indignantly you rednecks bay for blood.

[Waxxa]

the burglar was at a property that he had no right to be lawfully on!

the burglar should have to pay for his own medical costs (which the taxpayer will be doing), pay for the damage caused breaking in, the cost of cleaning his blood of any items, compensation to the kid and his father for the stress caused, cost of the police to catch and convict him, etc...

because he had the choice to stay home and play games or go out and burgle...and he got nailed this time!

the police shouldn't even be considering laying charges against the home owners

[Bikemad]

the burglar was at a property that he had no right to be lawfully on!

the burglar should have to pay for his own medical costs (which the taxpayer will be doing), pay for the damage caused breaking in, the cost of cleaning his blood of any items, compensation to the kid and his father for the stress caused, cost of the police to catch and convict him, etc...

because he had the choice to stay home and play games or go out and burgle...and he got nailed this time!

the police shouldn't even be considering laying charges against the home owners
^
what he said

[Virago]

The right of self-defence is rather murky in law, and the right of property defence even murkier. The police will no doubt put it before the courts, so this kid will be put through the legal wringer.

And he should be - stabbing a burglar is a step too far.

[Virago]

...the police shouldn't even be considering laying charges against the home owners

Cool - does that mean I can shoot the bastard who occasionally pinches my newspaper in the morning? Awesome...

[White trash]

Armies the world over count on teenage stupidity.

Stabbing is somewhat more serious than attempted burglary, not matter how indignantly you rednecks bay for blood.


The right of self-defence is rather murky in law, and the right of property defence even murkier. The police will no doubt put it before the courts, so this kid will be put through the legal wringer.

And he should be - stabbing a burglar is a step too far.

Well now that all depends on the circumstance doesn't it?

What if dad and boy race out to investigate, cornered burgler has a knife or a screwdriver in his hand and attempts to stab his way out, the big fella manages to get a hold of said weapon and turn it on the theiving bastard. What then?

[rickstv]

Any bastard that I disturb in my place at night will end up in a shallow grave that will not be found till I'm well gone off this mortal coil.:angry:

[Virago]

Well now that all depends on the circumstance doesn't it?

What if dad and boy race out to investigate, cornered burgler has a knife or a screwdriver in his hand and attempts to stab his way out, the big fella manages to get a hold of said weapon and turn it on the theiving bastard. What then?

Then it's justifiable self-defence. With luck, the real court decision will mirror the KB Kangaroo Court one...

[HenryDorsetCase]

$10 says the kid gets charged with assault or aggravated assault.

[Headbanger]

Cool - does that mean I can shoot the bastard who occasionally pinches my newspaper in the morning? Awesome...

That would be an excellent start.

The response should be weighted towards how much we want this shit to stop, not on how severe the crime is.

Actions-consequences.

[Smokin]

Can't agree with that I'm afraid, The young chap just gave the thieving prick instant justice that he will remember long after the 20 hours community service the courts would have given him if he was caught.
If I were woken in the middle of the night by someone uninvited in my house I wouldn't wait to see if he was after my tv or my daughter.
The property owner should have all the rights and the criminal on that persons propery should have none, Regardless of what he intends to do while there.

[BigAl]

]SNIP..[/I]
The property owner should have all the rights and the criminal on that persons propery should have none, Regardless of what he intends to do while there.

Amen to that Smokin, although it seems to take me much longer to read your posts!

[Big Dave]

Armies the world over count on teenage stupidity.

Stabbing is somewhat more serious than attempted burglary, not matter how indignantly you rednecks bay for blood.

Fuck 'em James. Stabbing is too good for bike thieves. (On the internet anyway.)

[willytheekid]

Armies the world over count on teenage stupidity.

Stabbing is somewhat more serious than attempted burglary, not matter how indignantly you rednecks bay for blood.


The right of self-defence is rather murky in law, and the right of property defence even murkier. The police will no doubt put it before the courts, so this kid will be put through the legal wringer.

And he should be - stabbing a burglar is a step too far.

**
Cool - does that mean I can shoot the bastard who occasionally pinches my newspaper in the morning? Awesome...**


Explain your P.C "better than us Rednecks" point of view to this guy:

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/140504-Stolen-vfr400-nc21-all-black.

Cos most of us are SICK! of the scum getting away with crime in this country...the police work there arse's off catching the pricks, then PC softys like you lot give them the OL "its not there fault...tough childhood" talk in court, and then release them back into the community with a slap on the wrist!...to (as this guy did) re-offend!...so its nice to see a story where the innocent have stood up for themselves and the scum have FOR ONCE! come of worse.

I do however agree that stabbing people isn't nice....But while defending your property and family.....FUCK EM!

And Yes Virago, Its your morning paper for gods sake!....of course you can shoot that bastard! :laugh: (I recommend a Rocksalt shot to the arse!)

[Scuba_Steve]

If I caught him, as per my right to justice I think I'd be giving him some whiskey followed by the Machete at the wrist, some more whiskey for the nub with the hot plate to end. Then he'd be given back his hand & kicked out the door.

Justice served :yes:

[Murray]

The sad thing about it is that if it doe's go to court its going to cost a lot of money for lawyers fees etc. So they lose again to scumarse burglers!!

[Ronin]

Armies the world over count on teenage stupidity.

Stabbing is somewhat more serious than attempted burglary, not matter how indignantly you rednecks bay for blood.

The stabee in question supposedly stole the kids trail bike earlier. As there was a bike involved the stabbing is justified.

Supposedly.

[willytheekid]

If I caught him, as per my right to justice I think I'd be giving him some whiskey followed by the Machete at the wrist, some more whiskey for the nub with the hot plate to end. Then he'd be given back his hand & kicked out the door.

Justice served :yes:

:sick:...jesus steve!
....Remind me not to pinch your paper! :laugh: (See Virago...it works! lol)

[Scuba_Steve]

:sick:...jesus steve!
....Remind me not to pinch your paper! :laugh: (See Virago...it works! lol)

Na you can have my paper :laugh:... reading makes you go blind

[HenryDorsetCase]

The sad thing about it is that if it doe's go to court its going to cost a lot of money for lawyers fees etc. So they lose again to scumarse burglers!!

why is that a bad thing? spending money on lawyers is a gooooood thing.

[Virago]

...The response should be weighted towards how much we want this shit to stop, not on how severe the crime is.

Actions-consequences.


...The property owner should have all the rights and the criminal on that persons propery should have none, Regardless of what he intends to do while there.

Alas, real life isn't as black and white as the pages of an internet forum. It's all a matter of degree.

Let's say your young son (or little brother) succumbed to a bit of peer pressure. He dashes into a corner dairy, pockets a Moro Bar and runs out again. The dairy owner runs outside with a rifle, and shots him in the back, killing him stone dead.

Would you gleefully applaud the actions of the property owner? Of course not.

Anyone who inflicts an act of violence against a property criminal (beyond basic apprehension) can expect to have that action questioned in a court of law. The only exception is for police officers, who will investigate themselves - something I strongly object to - they should also be subject to the same open court system as the general public.

[NighthawkNZ]

Cool - does that mean I can shoot the bastard who occasionally pinches my newspaper in the morning? Awesome...

yes... :innocent:

[quallman1234]

One finger off per robbery i reckon would be a apporiate course of justice.

More they repeat it, less likely they can repeat it.

[Eyegasm]

Sorry Virago, But I am with the masses on this one.

If I am home and someone breaks in, I consider that home invasion and will stab them in the face, RIGHT IN THE FACE!!!

If I am not home, go nuts... I'm insured.

The way I see it is, How do i know this person is only here for my possessions?
"Excuse me, but I have to ask first. You here just to steal my shit?"

Sod that. I'll give him a bit of acupunture.

[Murray]

why is that a bad thing? spending money on lawyers is a gooooood thing.

Jees if your a lawyer? By the time you read the thread and responded it may have taken more than 5 minutes (I think thats how they charge now (although I have heard it may be in 3 minute increments now??)). You could have earned at least $20+

[LankyBastard]

Its very pleasing to see the do-gooders are the minority

[Smokin]

Alas, real life isn't as black and white as the pages of an internet forum. It's all a matter of degree.

Let's say your young son (or little brother) succumbed to a bit of peer pressure. He dashes into a corner dairy, pockets a Moro Bar and runs out again. The dairy owner runs outside with a rifle, and shots him in the back, killing him stone dead.

Would you gleefully applaud the actions of the property owner? Of course not.

Anyone who inflicts an act of violence against a property criminal (beyond basic apprehension) can expect to have that action questioned in a court of law. The only exception is for police officers, who will investigate themselves - something I strongly object to - they should also be subject to the same open court system as the general public.

Can't agree again I'm afraid, If the store was closed and the owners in bed asleep, then yes, shoot him. shop lifting a moro in plain view during operating hours is not what this thread was about. If the property owners had the right to protect their property properly the scumbags would think twice before breaking into somones home and risk getting messed up doing it.

[Banditbandit]

It's not up to the police to decide whether it was justified self-defence - that's up to the community - which is represented by the jury ...

I'm sure we can rely on the community to make the right decision ..

[Smokin]

Cool - does that mean I can shoot the bastard who occasionally pinches my newspaper in the morning? Awesome...

If the paper is on the dining room table at 2am, Then yes.

[Big Dave]

If the paper is on the dining room table at 2am

And you are using it to clean the gun.

[short-circuit]

Its very pleasing to see the do-gooders are the minority

Yeah the keyboard warriors are well represented in this thread fo sho

[F5 Dave]

Armies the world over count on teenage stupidity.
. . .
Yes they do, but price of fish What's got to do with the that?

. . .
Stabbing is somewhat more serious than attempted burglary, not matter how indignantly you rednecks bay for blood.
Yes it is more serious. If that criminal was to have stabbed them it would be more serious than stealing their property. But they didn't go to his property to stab him premeditated. He premeditated to go break into their place.

Having experienced & witnessed the physiological trauma of thefts & invasion of security (& safety) that affects people for years afterwards, I'd have to say; They put themselves there, they should get it & get it hard.

Also imagining how one would react if they found themselves face to face with a burglar & wondering if it was going to be you are them. Heck couple of nights back I was in the garge (forget how to properly misspell that) & I heard a noise so went out to investigate. I became aware that I had a Phillips in my hand at the time.

[nudemetalz]

All you need is one of these to defend your property....

oops..Redneck Nudey ...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IWhaQyjiRg

[admenk]

Yes, my first reaction is a thief on your property puts himself outside the protection of the law and get's what he get's (especially if it was my house)....but...I assume we don't know the full facts and circumstances to make a fully informed judgement. I hate to say it, but the media are not always totally accurate in their reporting :innocent: Thankfully, that's why we have the police and justice system. Flawed as they sometimes are, in the long run, do we want to live in "lynch mob" society. After all, society "knows" that all bikers are dodgy and must be guilty of most crimes:innocent:

[Spearfish]

Also imagining how one would react if they found themselves face to face with a burglar & wondering if it was going to be you are them. Heck couple of nights back I was in the garge (forget how to properly misspell that) & I heard a noise so went out to investigate. I became aware that I had a Phillips in my hand at the time.

+1
You never really know until it happens and if there is a confrontation it takes bloody ages to come down after its all over unfortunately I forgot the rego of a vehicle they took off in. (I'm still pissed off at myself for that)

[Indiana_Jones]

And he should be - stabbing a burglar is a step too far.

Depends if the burglar is threating you/your loved ones first.

Better to be judged by 12 then carried by 6 as they say....

-Indy

[Banditbandit]

Yeah the keyboard warriors are well represented in this thread fo sho

Yeah ... the ":do-gooders" (as you term us)are not going to argue - not worth the effort ...

[Big Dave]

Better to.......


Indy Gold. Deserves fix the typo.

[Mental Trousers]

Nobody should be afforded the protection of the Law while they are breaking the Law.

They are choosing to step outside the boundaries laid down by the laws. They are therefore implicitly agreeing that they're not covered by those same laws. So if someone gets stabbed while committing a robbery, suck it up and DON'T DO THE FUCKEN ROBBERY.

The kids a hero. The thief is a piece of shit. The dad is lucky his son has his back.

[Virago]

Back the hysteria truck up a bit. Breaking into (what appears to be) an external garage is hardly a threatening home invasion.

If the young feller is found not guilty by the court, I'll be quite happy. But it is for the court to decide...

[Virago]

Nobody should be afforded the protection of the Law while they are breaking the Law...

Again, it comes down to degree. How about shooting speeding motorcyclists? After all, they're breaking the law...:innocent:

[Hoon]

Yep I'm all for instant death sentence for any intruder who stumbles onto my property uninvited. Not only burglars (especially them dirty lightbulb types!) but drunken students who have the wrong house and try climb in my window at night. Hell even if someone came bursting through my front door incoherently begging for help, yep shotgun to the face.... how was I suppose to know hur hur hur. I'm just a typical kiwi and you can rely on me to make the correct decision on whether someone is a threat or not everytime, all the time, 100%....because like... I know everything.

Disclaimer: The above is a complete pisstake on others who are completely oblivious to the implications of what they are suggesting and should not be taken seriously.

[sugilite]

Your body awakes with a start, you hear something banging in the garage, you stumble through the kitchen, still half asleep picking up the knife used to cut your 15th birthday cake last night, I mean they all pick up a weapon when investigating strange noises at night in the movies eh? You open the door to the garage, getting blinded by the light, you see a silhouette of a man rushing towards you, throwing your arms in FRIGHT, the burglar runs onto the knife!!! In that absolutely foreign and ghastly moment in your innocent gentle life, you just cannot get that horrible thought from your mind.......... "Geez I hope those fellahs on the KB forum go easy on me tomorrow"

[Spearfish]

Your body awakes with a start, you hear something banging in the garage, you stumble through the kitchen, still half asleep picking up the knife used to cut your 15th birthday cake last night, I mean they all pick up a weapon when investigating strange noises at night in the movies eh? You open the door to the garage, getting blinded by the light, you see a silhouette of a man rushing towards you, throwing your arms in FRIGHT, the burglar runs onto the knife!!! In that absolutely foreign and ghastly moment in your innocent gentle life, you just cannot get that horrible thought from your mind.......... "Geez I hope those fellahs on the KB forum go easy on me tomorrow"

I have a suspicion you just made that story up.

[Mental Trousers]

Again, it comes down to degree. How about shooting speeding motorcyclists? After all, they're breaking the law...:innocent:

They shouldn't get caught.

Personal Responsibility - get caught doing 150kph in an 80 zone you might just fall down some stairs in the cells. If you don't want to fall down those stairs, don't get caught. Better yet, don't do the crime.

[MisterD]

Grabbing a knife in this situation is stupid - you have to get much too close to the intruder to use it and run a reasonable risk of it ending up sticking in you instead.

My recommendation is the 7-iron.

[Indiana_Jones]

Grabbing a knife in this situation is stupid - you have to get much too close to the intruder to use it and run a reasonable risk of it ending up sticking in you instead.

My recommendation is the 7-iron.

Scale rule up the arse

with deep heat on it

-Indy

[Virago]

So, confirmed on TV news report - it was an external garage - it was not a "home invasion".

The burglar was stabbed three times - in the back. Self-defence...? Yeah, right...

I can only reiterate that a court of law will decide if it was justifiable.

[admenk]

Scale rule up the arse

with deep heat on it

-Indy

That was you, was it? - I still can't walk properly :shit:

[scumdog]

How much is the levy wot burglars pay to ACC??:blink:

[scumdog]

So, confirmed on TV news report - it was an external garage - it was not a "home invasion".

The burglar was stabbed three times - in the back. Self-defence...? Yeah, right...

I can only reiterate that a court of law will decide if it was justifiable.

Stop fuckin' with the minds of drongos here on KB.


Leave it to me......<_<

[JimO]

Cool - does that mean I can shoot the bastard who occasionally pinches my newspaper in the morning? Awesome...

you arnt quick enough to catch me

[jazfender]

Gentle Giant? That stabs cunts...?

[Kickaha]

you arnt quick enough to catch me

His legs are to short to be able to run very fast

[JimO]

The burglar was stabbed three times - in the back. Self-defence...? Yeah, right...



the bugler may have had dad on the floor when junior stabbeded him, if it was me i would have chucked the dogs in the shed and locked the door, they would either all be great friends or somebody will be getting a chewing

[bogan]

Gentle Giant? That stabs cunts...?

Anatomically correct for some I guess :innocent:

Reckon he should have just given him a good smack, stabbing suggests a decision to inflict harm above what is necessary for self, and property, defense.

[jazfender]

Anatomically correct for some I guess :innocent:

Reckon he should have just given him a good smack, stabbing suggests a decision to inflict harm above what is necessary for self, and property, defense.

he shoulda just quad damage rail-gunned that shit.

[DMNTD]

Depends if the burglar is threatening you/your loved ones first.

Better to be judged by 12 then carried by 6 as they say....

-Indy

That has to be not only the first post of yours that I understood but also 100% agreed with :yes:

[tigertim20]

The right of self-defence is rather murky in law, and the right of property defence even murkier. The police will no doubt put it before the courts, so this kid will be put through the legal wringer.

And he should be - stabbing a burglar is a step too far.

spot on for the first part, but i reserve judgement on the last sentence. Too many details are unknown to us, and the media cant always be trusted to supply accurate information. Did the kid take the knife from the house and THEN go to the shed? did he ringthe police before going to investigate?, was the weapon grabbed in a scuffle? wayyy too many questions unanswered.

One thing I can understand though, is that they had apparentlybeen robbed recently as well.

I was subject to a home invasion while I was homea while ago, and I bashed the cunt half to death, (no charges laid against me) and after that, it took a long while before i got a decent sleep again.
There are still times i hear odd noises in the night, and go charging outside with the nearest weapon in case some cunt is on my property. When you dont feel safe in your own home, its a hell of a thing. fight or flight does kick in when your head has been fucked with like that. im an angry cunt,so I fight.

Virago, you asked about how we would feel if our younguns got shot for stealing a moro bar earlier. Well this kid is only 15, he was probably scared and trying to protect his property, he might not have done the right thing, but given the circumstances, do you really think that him having a conviction for assault with a deadly weapon/grievous bodily harm is really the best outcome?

Maybe a smack on the hand and no charges for the kid, and a low penalty for the burglar (since his crime already cost him stab wounds) would be a good outcome.

[tigertim20]

forgot to add, Ihave heard the police have employed a fewlawyers to supply them with a legal opinion. That means they have paid asked independent lawyers to investigate similar crimes, and estimate the likely success or failure of charging the kid. That says to me that they feel like maybe they SHOULD charge him,but dont necessarily WANT to.

[Spearfish]

I guess its the education systems fault for not teaching 15 year old kids how to restrain people with the absolute minimum of force, not be over come by fight or flight responses and to use the preferred method out west which is to dial 111 talk to police coms, get told there are no units available, stay on the line and describe calmly and accurately blow by blow how the offender is beating the crap out of your father. Surly the com operators regular "aha's" and the occasional "please speak slower cause I cant type that fast" would have been reassurance enough?

[scumdog]

There are still times i hear odd noises in the night, and go charging outside with the nearest weapon in case some cunt is on my property.

Me too Tim.

After I chased that fuckwit loser when I was naked a while back I never was troubled by prowlers agin. (so far) but still didn't sleep well.

But it was lucky that the first thing I grabbed was a diving torch, had it been a length of lead pipe (or heaven forbid, one of my many firearms) it might have been a different story.

Have you any idea how hard it is to find an empty offal pit during the hours of darkness?

[flyingcrocodile46]

forgot to add, Ihave heard the police have employed a fewlawyers to supply them with a legal opinion. That means they have paid asked independent lawyers to investigate similar crimes, and estimate the likely success or failure of charging the kid. That says to me that they feel like maybe they SHOULD charge him,but dont necessarily WANT to.

I agree. They are probably looking for precedents that they can cite in justification for not wasting resources and money in expending every conceivable effort to elevate the thieving scums human rights and his status within the lowlife community. Instead of treating the real victims to the same level of pandering by the bleeding heart .

[mashman]

heard about this a while ago in the UK (good result alround imho :yes:). On 3 September 2008, during Ramadan, Mr. and Mrs. Hussain, their two sons and daughter Arooj, returned home to their house in High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire, England, from their mosque, when they were confronted and tied up by three masked intruders (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munir_Hussain_and_victims%27_rights)

[JimO]

b

Have you any idea how hard it is to find an empty offal pit during the hours of darkness?

i know where there is one

[tri boy]

Got a mate in Anaheim who shot a burglar trying to steal his lawn mower.
Reckons he has no problem shooting cans,

Mexicans,
Puetoricans,
any other theiving cans.:ar15:

[Deano]

Stabbed him in the back 3 times ? The kid is fooked.

Doesn't he know that only the cops get away with rough justice ?

[Hitcher]

Seeing that lots of other people are jumping to extravagant conclusions in the absence of facts, then so too shall I.

Given that Mr McVicar is silent on this case, we should assume that the stabber is white and the stabbee is "ethnic". If the race roles had been reversed I am sure that the "Sensible" Sentencing Trust would be having a lot to say on the matter.

[Murray]

Seeing that lots of other people are jumping to extravagant conclusions in the absence of facts, then so too shall I.

Given that Mr McVicar is silent on this case, we should assume that the stabber is white and the stabbee is "ethnic". If the race roles had been reversed I am sure that the "Sensible" Sentencing Trust would be having a lot to say on the matter.

Jump to conclusions - absence of facts??? Dig a bit deeper before you start jumping to conclusions

From the first report Herald Friday morning.

"Sensible Sentencing Trust spokesman Garth McVicar last night applauded the 15-year-old's actions.

"I couldn't think of a more ridiculous situation," he said. "We should be giving the 15-year-old a medal.

"That's the message we need to send to all burglars."

Mr McVicar said that if the boy was charged, he would be at court to support him.

"Every person in this country should have the right to defend their castle, defend their family and defend their loved ones."

Doesn't sound like being silent to me!!!

[Hitcher]

Doesn't sound like being silent to me!!!

So it must be official then. White stabber, tinted stabbee.

[James Deuce]

I'm just waiting for the first case of an employer stabbing an employee for stealing pens to see how that goes in the court of public opinion. There's no degrees of theft. Theoretically the employee "deserves" it just as much as a home invader. The employer's property has both been violated and stolen.

I have no doubt that the KB kangaroo court would be celebrating the employer's "well deserved" jail sentence.

[short-circuit]

I'm just waiting for the first case of an employer stabbing an employee for stealing pens .....

I have no doubt that the KB kangaroo court would be celebrating the employer's "well deserved" jail sentence.

Nah the ususal toss pots will be suggesting the employer should have raped her for good measure - she was probably asking for it.

[flyingcrocodile46]

I'm just waiting for the first case of an employer stabbing an employee for stealing pens to see how that goes in the court of public opinion. There's no degrees of theft. Theoretically the employee "deserves" it just as much as a home invader. The employer's property has both been violated and stolen.

I have no doubt that the KB kangaroo court would be celebrating the employer's "well deserved" jail sentence.

While you are critiquing people's entirely natural and somewhat heartening attitude towards an event that saw someone forcefully standing up to a low life piece of shit criminal who was invading his home to steal from him, how about you tell us what your thoughts are as to whether ACC should pay out compensation to, and health care bills for these fucking scum when they are injured in the course of committing crimes

[Smifffy]

Can't bling you again.

I think here in the CNI at this time of year, an appropriate response would be to secure the intruder on the back lawn and soak 'em down with the garden hose. Then go and let the comms ops waste time on the phone, and await the arrival of an I car some hours later.

No more force than required to secure the intruder, and contact made with the authorities immediately.

I think it would have worked well for OAB and his recent visitors too.


I guess its the education systems fault for not teaching 15 year old kids how to restrain people with the absolute minimum of force, not be over come by fight or flight responses and to use the preferred method out west which is to dial 111 talk to police coms, get told there are no units available, stay on the line and describe calmly and accurately blow by blow how the offender is beating the crap out of your father. Surly the com operators regular "aha's" and the occasional "please speak slower cause I cant type that fast" would have been reassurance enough?

[Headbanger]

Let's say your young son (or little brother) succumbed to a bit of peer pressure. He dashes into a corner dairy, pockets a Moro Bar and runs out again. The dairy owner runs outside with a rifle, and shots him in the back, killing him stone dead.

Would you gleefully applaud the actions of the property owner? Of course not.


Is that how laws/punishment is decided upon....what if it were my son?

that's pathetic, and I would hope that the motivation of our law makers isn't that selfish and self-serving.

If any family member of mine was caught thieving then I would hope they get whats coming to them, which in our society means nothing, carry on thieving.

[Owl]

Grabbing a knife in this situation is stupid

My recommendation is the 7-iron.

Fat lot of good that'd do me..........fookin 7-iron is in the garage.:facepalm:

[Smifffy]

NZ Lawmakers not selfish or self-serving?

SRSLY?



Is that how laws/punishment is decided upon....what if it were my son?

that's pathetic, and I would hope that the motivation of our law makers isn't that selfish and self-serving.

If any family member of mine was caught thieving then I would hope they get whats coming to them, which in our society means nothing, carry on thieving.

[Headbanger]

NZ Lawmakers not selfish or self-serving?

SRSLY?

no :facepalm: