WCC is about to stab all motorcyclists in the back

[riffer]

Okay guys, it's time for action this time.

You will recall we had great traction with Wellington City Council when BRONZ presented the epetition (on behalf of motorcyclists) on motorcycle parking to the Council.

Well, behind our backs the Council officers have been preparing a Report on motorcycle parking, which is to be discussed THIS THURSDAY at Council. Here is a link to the report (http://www.wellington.govt.nz/haveyoursay/meetings/committee/Strategy_and_Policy/2011/04Aug0915/agenda.html), which is to be presented. It is Report No 4.

Despite the best intentions to date and the fact the free parks remain for the moment, Report 4 is a document hostile to ALL motorcyclists.

BRONZ will be addressing the implied prejudice written into the report on Thursday. The Report is worded to inflame any current envy or existing bad feelings in other non motorcyclists who already resent the free parking that we have. Free parking we have already justified, with the economic and social benefits the PTW fleet has for Wellington City on a daily basis.

Although it confirms that in the short term we will remain as we are for now, the Report actively encourages Councillors to change this in the future, and it's a prejudicial statement in the way it singles motorcyclists out, even going to the length of engineering anti-motorcycling sentiment by suggesting that we are getting a free ride no one else is privileged enough to enjoy, and asks the Council to state publicly that the preferential treatment that motorcyclists enjoy is UNFAIR, and MUST BE REMEDIED.

The Mayor herself agrees with the principle that Motorcycles are a part of the solution, not the problem.

Motorcyclists already make every effort to find alternative parking arrangements where possible, the loss of our previous 'understandings' like Boulcott st have hit us quite hard.

We already pay more in tax and levies than any other vehicle type in NZ, and there needs to be some balance, most Wellingtonians BRONZ have discussed this with see our free parks as well and truly justified considering the other issues we face on a daily basis.

Will cyclists be faced with being charged to use Bicycle stands throughout the CBD? Like the one on Mulgrave street at the National Library building? It blocks nearly the whole footpath once there are 4 bicycles parked and locked to it, Will these ratepayers be 'willing to accept the possibility of future charges?' Will Cyclists be the next target for some extra parking revenue?

Every modern city in the world sees the benefits of motorcycle commuters, with many proactively encouraging this practice. Every major city including London, New York, LA and Washington DC have pro-motorcycle policies in place, and the four major cities mentioned have very high parking demands, as well as high fuel emission standards in place yet do not enforce emission control on bikes and provide ample free motorcycle parking ability for the city populace.

Why? Because they know it works.

London very quickly changed its tune on the emission tax for motorcycles and exempted them from it after a round of morning protests where the motorcycle fleet closed down a suburb every morning ... in a city that had far more than one way in and one way out. It only took 200 riders...

So what do we need from motorcyclists? We need a show of force here. Council chambers have room for about 30 people AT MOST. If we can get 100 people there it is going to make a difference.

The Council Officers have more or less rejected the epetition on the grounds that 40% of the signatures WERE NOT FROM WELLINGTON RATEPAYERS. This is despite their statements that signatures were welcome from the public.

If we do not show up in force on Thursday the WCC will most likely be forced by their own officers to actively implement a policy which states that IT IS UNFAIR FOR MOTORCYCLISTS TO BE REWARDED for their efforts to reduce congestion and make a difference to the environment.

I beseech all Wellington motorcyclists to make an effort on Thursday, 4 August 2011:

Please meet at 9.15 am

Committee Room 1
Ground Floor, Council Offices
101 Wakefield Street
Wellington

[theseekerfinds]

told you so.. never trust the council, never, ever, ever!!

[riffer]

told you so.. never trust the council, never, ever, ever!!

So now we need some action matey!

What am I doing? I'm one of the people addressing the Council on Thursday. I'll be there.

[theseekerfinds]

I'll sort time off work on Thursday and be there too.. just been reading the "have your say" thingy and it's interesting reading to say the least.. to me it reads as a given that there will be changes and the consultation process seems to be driven for a specific.. though the part which said that the fees they would collect would be enough to cover the re-education and publicity surrounding the changes seems like it's hardly worth making the changes.. there is one issue which has my thoughts though: the riders who park all day long seem to be the catalyst for this when the parking is aimed at high turnover bikes entering the CBD.. this kinda has my support as I get pretty pissed off at the all-day parkers who hog the free parking when all I want to do is come into town and have lunch with my lovely lady and bail an hour or so later.. that aside, in the greater scheme of things I am not impressed with the backroom work going on at WCC..

[bogan]

In addition to turning up, those that do need to provide counterpoints for the assertions in the report. Like this bit


New Zealand motorcycles tend to have high levels of nitrogen oxide emissions, so that so while the volume of emissions may be less than for a car, the content is potentially far more toxic to the environment. As a result, there is no reason to incentivise use of motorcycles to reduce emissions.

It's a bit of waffle (tend to and potentially) that I think could be addressed more thoroughly.

Similar for the accident rate, the per km figure is skewed due to the way the data is combined for different road user groups.

[Devil]

How many of you guys ride bikes made in New Zealand?

What a load of shit (engineering this anti-motorcycle sentiment).

[Devil]

Just skim read the report. There's an awful lot of assertions in there that are not supported with facts - things you've already mentioned, Riffer.

Get stuck into them, mate. An offhand comment about emissions? A sydney study? The 18 times more likely... figure?
Pardon me, but WTF?

[riffer]

There's one particular clown at WCC who's been sticking it into us at every level at discussions. Particularly around the emissions and accident rates.

I'll happily put my Bandit up against whatever car he has to check particulate emissions. Mine meets Euro 3 regs.

As for accidents, I swear if I hear that 18 X bullshit one more time I'm going to personally remove the tongue from the moron while they speak.

There is an element of anti-motorcyclist at WCC that needs to be permanently shut down.

[bogan]

Just skim read the report. There's an awful lot of assertions in there that are not supported with facts - things you've already mentioned, Riffer.

Get stuck into them, mate. An offhand comment about emissions? A sydney study? The 18 times more likely... figure?
Pardon me, but WTF?

And plenty of assertions that cycling is good for all, their per/km figure is almost as high as ours, their power source produces methane, which is more harmful than the main component (CO2) of motorcycle emissions.
It's easy to half ass some 'facts' against something, and just as easy to disprove them when given the chance.

[bogan]

As for accidents, I swear if I hear that 18 X bullshit one more time I'm going to personally remove the tongue from the moron while they speak.

There is an element of anti-motorcyclist at WCC that needs to be permanently shut down.

The problem is it's in the LTNZ factsheets, as a the preferred metric, fuck knows why, useless for comparing between classes, especially those with different speed limits. Just ask him for some evidence that the number of accidents is actually affected by the number of km traveled.

[StoneY]

Issue here guys is not trying to disprove every single myth in the PTB view of motorcycling in our 2 minutes of timed glory in WCC chambers next Thursday (if the coordinator confirms my request, still have to get formal floor time)

We have some inside information because not every Councillor is happy with this report, and we were given a headsup about the content of this report

Now one thing I have been told is these people remember the numbers we gathered for BIKOI and again in Feb 2010 (380 bikers vs 80 from the unions remember) and the idea that even 200 bikers might start disrupting the systems in Wellington CBD has a few already sweating

If 100 Wellington Bikers can show up at Council in your bike jackets so you stand out like a bad smelling biker type, and back us up, I reckon we can force this report to be re-written with less public hostility to our needs.
I see the report as written to deliberately inflame anti motorcycle sentiments that are smoldering below the surface.

I have had a few people say to me we don't deserve our free parks since this issue first arose, but not one that I failed to turn the argument 180 degree's and get them onside..I have my moments where I am quite persuasive.
What irks me most here, is the goodwill of one particular senior officer has been largely cast into the pit due to the guys he answers to who re-wrote his work to read like an anti motorcyclist policy, designed to cause hard feelings from other road users.

Like seeker states above, it sucks to find all the parks taken by scroters while the owner does his solid 9 hours at the office.
So BRONZ agreed with council we had to concede time limited spaces in retail area's, we have been promoting councils plan to get us into parking buildings for secure dry space at a discounted rate, we went along with Peter Mac's suggestion to encourage workplaces to provide 2-3 bike spaces at least and that is gaining momentum big time as well.
We played the game, we compromised, we assisted council to spread the word, and all for the sake of saving the existing 500 free parks, conceded some would become time limited.......only to be shit on in report 4.

Not standing for it this time

We NEED 100 bikers there on the day
You are needed to defend what we argued and bargained for, and to force this reports prejudiced content to be re-written to show more cooperative and supportive attitude to our needs as road users.

We will not let this go un answered, mark my words

Brent


Please meet at 9.15 am

Committee Room 1
Ground Floor, Council Offices
101 Wakefield Street
Wellington

[davereid]

Post the details of time, location and so on. Ill try and get there.

[StoneY]

Post the details of time, location and so on. Ill try and get there.

Right here



I beseech all Wellington motorcyclists to make an effort on Thursday, 4 August 2011:

Please meet at 9.15 am

Committee Room 1
Ground Floor, Council Offices
101 Wakefield Street
Wellington

See you there mate

[CookMySock]

What am I doing? I'm one of the people addressing the Council on Thursday. I'll be there.And do what? Plead? Cry? Beg?

You're pissing into the wind discussing anything like this with any official. The only solution is to fuck them up in a court of law - that will remove their ability to move against us, and then their hands are tied.

[mrchips]

I'm so over this ! I work just down the road so will see you's there.

I would think it more appropriate WCC put their attentions to all substandard CBD 'moderate' earthquake prone buildings (including their own) :bye:

Shall i wear my hi viz, i mean i wouldn't want to appear .... unsafe.

[Number One]

Bastidges! I'll be there.

As for the cyclists - what about the fact they don't pay ACC fees to ride their bikes and yet they have sooo many accidents.

[Quasievil]

Sounds like a protest ride is in order Brmmm Brmmm

So its here eh ?

Committee Room 1
Ground Floor, Council Offices
101 Wakefield Street
Wellington

Therefore Bikes can get into the building? who is going to open the door to let the bikes in?

dont forget to ring the media.

[StoneY]

Bastidges! I'll be there.

As for the cyclists - what about the fact they don't pay ACC fees to ride their bikes and yet they have sooo many accidents.

Yeah we know but they are as close to an ally as we will ever get on our roads, my exec and I are making major efforts to recruit their support on this.
This issue aint about accidents and ACC, its about a fair deal to recognize the benefits we provide the city.

See you there man

[Devil]

Yeah we know but they are as close to an ally as we will ever get on our roads, my exec and I are making major efforts to recruit their support on this.


As much as it pains me to say - I agree.

DB: Whats better than wasting time in court is nipping it in the bud to start with and making them understand that this kind of behaviour will not be tolerated.

If I was down that way i'd be there.

[cheshirecat]

I might not be able to get there as 12000 miles away but can you folks video as much as pos. This will be imensely useful later. Especially useful those officials making anti bike statements, any anti bike incidents/attitudes, (parking etc). Any quality OK just need the footage. be prepared to get footage of security measures entering council chambers banning helmets, cellphones, cameras.

Oh don't forget to get a couple of wide establishing shots I can cut to and a few biker comments (Girl bikers/scooter riders/ordinary commuters/accountants in suits come across really well and get their permission).

[BMWST?]

i will try to get some time off....where we all gonna park ? (geddit?)

[StoneY]

i will try to get some time off....where we all gonna park ? (geddit?)

Wondering if we should hijack the square........ make a statement
Ooops did I say that on here?...........

[CookMySock]

DB: Whats better than wasting time in court is nipping it in the bud to start with and making them understand that this kind of behaviour will not be tolerated.The actions suggested will not achieve that.

Watch.

[Usarka]

Wondering if we should hijack the square........ make a statement
Ooops did I say that on here?...........

Or use one bike per car parking space..... :whistle:

[StoneY]

The actions suggested will not achieve that.

Watch.

And we take them to court for what Steve???? Wanna tell us exactly what law this council is breaking we can sue them over?
Parking policy is theres to make, the consultation process we are following is the only chance at input we get

So that don't mean we should only have 3 people there...attend with numbers NOW and show them what they will be dealing with if we have to protest some.....

[Smifffy]

And do what? Plead? Cry? Beg?

You're pissing into the wind discussing anything like this with any official. The only solution is to fuck them up in a court of law - that will remove their ability to move against us, and then their hands are tied.

Don't you first need to consent to the jurisdiction?

[riffer]

Don't you first need to consent to the jurisdiction?

Shit don't get me started there Smiffy. Saw that Gerard Teoi Otimi was sentenced to 18 months in jail for selling false passports to Pacific Island overstayers. When Otimi was called to appear in the court his supporters challenged the law of the country. A man dressed in red and who called himself a sovereign counsellor and native assessor said the case could not go ahead as it would be a breach of Otimi's rights as a citizen of the sovereign Maori nation.


Sounds suspiciously like what DB is recommending. I expect DB's ideas will receive roughly the same response as Otimi's ideas.

[Crasherfromwayback]

And do what? Plead? Cry? Beg?

You're pissing into the wind discussing anything like this with any official. The only solution is to fuck them up in a court of law - that will remove their ability to move against us, and then their hands are tied.

Nope. You're still a raving Penis.

[DEVVIL]

Good luck guys.

[Dodgy_Matt]

What really gets me pissed about this is that all WCC Councillors, as part of their pay package, are entitled to a fully paid for, covered car park within the council buildings. This “FREE” parking that only they are entitled too and their wages are paid for by your rates.

No other people in council are allowed to park in their spots and get hammered when they do, even for a short period of time.

Mrs Helen Ritchie leaves her car there 24/7 and lives in the Dominion Apartment building.

These pricks get paid for doing fuck all except screwing up our city and making fucked up decisions most of the time.

Celia Wade brown parks her push bike in hers FFS ……

[Ronin]

And do what? Plead? Cry? Beg?

You're pissing into the wind discussing anything like this with any official. The only solution is to fuck them up in a court of law - that will remove their ability to move against us, and then their hands are tied.

Mr Angry Little Man is back and still spouting complete shite.

How loud did you cry to the cops (and the law you so despise) when your worker was assaulted Steve.

Fucking hypocrite.



FWIW, good luck with the meeting.

[cheshirecat]

What really gets me pissed about this is that all WCC Councillors, as part of their pay package, are entitled to a fully paid for, covered car park within the council buildings. This “FREE” parking that only they are entitled too and their wages are paid for by your rates.

No other people in council are allowed to park in their spots and get hammered when they do, even for a short period of time.

Mrs Helen Ritchie leaves her car there 24/7 and lives in the Dominion Apartment building.

These pricks get paid for doing fuck all except screwing up our city and making fucked up decisions most of the time.

Celia Wade brown parks her push bike in hers FFS ……
Do council officials park for free - Can we find out? This can be used.

[Dodgy_Matt]

Do council officials park for free - Can we find out? This can be used.
Any one who works at council can be classed as a "council official"
Who you mean?

[davereid]

I think its only councillors who park free. The workers must find their own parks except I would expect senior management.

[cheshirecat]

Those behind the anti bike stuff

[Dodgy_Matt]

I think its only councillors who park free. The workers must find their own parks except I would expect senior management.
In the basement at Council you have the councillor’s car parks, senior manager’s car parks and then council vehicle car parks...
Staff must find their own parking in town just like anyone else..

No parking down there for Bikes.... :angry:

[Dodgy_Matt]

Those behind the anti bike stuff

That would be the councillor’s and senior manager’s

[cheshirecat]

so would senior managers get subsidised or free parking?

[Dodgy_Matt]

so would senior managers get subsidised or free parking?
No, Not out in the city streets.
Tho I would say if they did get a ticket it would prolly get squashed....

[DingoZ]

Nope. You're still a raving Penis.

Aww fook it, I gotta spread the rep before giving it to Crasher....:woohoo:


Dam near spilt my coffeee when I read that. But isn't calling him a penis, even a raving penis, hinting that he might be useful...:)

[CookMySock]

And we take them to court for what Steve???? Wanna tell us exactly what law this council is breaking we can sue them over?Thats not what I mean bro. I mean, prevent them from taking US to court. Revoking consent in a summary court works, but people are too scared to do it.



Parking policy is theres to make, the consultation process we are following is the only chance at input we getNo, and no.

1.) NO PERSON except the high court tells you or I what to do, unless we agree to settle the matter with them.

2.) Representation IS CONSENT, and if you turn up and state your case with the WDC then you consent to the outcome. But do you?

Protesting is just another government-organised way for you to consent to their rule. This is why any "consultation" always comes out their way.

Think about it.

[theseekerfinds]

shit mate, shouldn't you be taking this international??

:blink:

[StoneY]

2.) Representation IS CONSENT, and if you turn up and state your case with the WDC then you consent to the outcome. But do you?

Protesting is just another government-organised way for you to consent to their rule. This is why any "consultation" always comes out their way.

Think about it.

Dude...what are you ON???? Where can I get some?

[FJRider]

1.) NO PERSON except the high court tells you or I what to do, unless we agree to settle the matter with them.

2.) Representation IS CONSENT, and if you turn up and state your case with the WDC then you consent to the outcome. But do you?

Protesting is just another government-organised way for you to consent to their rule. This is why any "consultation" always comes out their way.

Think about it.

I've thought about it ... and decided ... you're not even close to ANY semblance of the truth ... :facepalm:

Nothings changed for you there ... :whocares:

Wikipedia says this about by-laws ...

Municipal by-laws are public regulatory laws which apply in a certain area. The main difference between a by-law and a law passed by a national/federal or regional/state body is that a bylaw is a made by a non-sovereign body, which derives its authority from another governing body, and can only be made on a limited range of matters. A local council or municipal government gets its power to pass laws through a law of the national or regional government which specifies what things the town or city may regulate through bylaws. It is therefore a form of delegated legislation.

Within its jurisdiction and specific to those areas mandated by the higher body, a municipal by-law is no different than any other law of the land, and can be enforced with penalties, challenged in court and must comply with other laws of the land, such as the country's constitution. Municipal bylaws are often enforcable through the public justice system, and offenders can be charged with a criminal offence for breach of a bylaw. Common bylaws include vehicle parking and stopping regulations, animal control, building and construction, licensing, noise, zoning and business regulation, and management of public recreation areas.


To NOT PROTEST is implied consent ...

NEXT local elections ... vote ... StoneY for Mayor ... ???

[Virago]

Thats not what I mean bro. I mean, prevent them from taking US to court. Revoking consent in a summary court works, but people are too scared to do it.


No, and no.

1.) NO PERSON except the high court tells you or I what to do, unless we agree to settle the matter with them.

2.) Representation IS CONSENT, and if you turn up and state your case with the WDC then you consent to the outcome. But do you?

Protesting is just another government-organised way for you to consent to their rule. This is why any "consultation" always comes out their way.

Think about it.

You pop in occasionally to high-handedly espouse your rather fanciful concept of "I don't consent to your jurisdiction, so therefore your laws don't apply to me".

This is precisely the approach taken by some ethnic radicals in New Zealand - funnily enough, they invariably find that approach doesn't work, and that the laws of the land apply to all. One was marched off to jail yesterday, still refusing "consent".

If you could show some tangible and verifiable evidence that such an approach actually works (and has worked), then it may perhaps be given some credence. Until then, it appears to be little more than the deranged ramblings of an equally deranged individual.

Either put up - or shut up.

[Kickaha]

Either put up - or shut up.

I'd rather he just took the "shut up" option

[Crasherfromwayback]

1.) NO PERSON except the high court tells you or I what to do, unless we agree to settle the matter with them.


Nope. You're still a raving penis.

[FJRider]

... it appears to be little more than the deranged ramblings of an equally deranged individual.

I just thought he was full of shit ... :yes: ... but you seem to think it's more serious than that ... you could be right ... :facepalm:


Either put up - or shut up.

Where's the fuck off option ... ??

:shutup:

[CookMySock]

Ask yourself - are you better off if you are right? Or better off if you are wrong?

Why be "right" all the time, in your own opinion, when that doesn't help your cause? Why not think outside the square for a minute instead of being so afraid?

[davereid]

Wellington City Council must be pissing themselves with laughter.

Instead of bikers being able to organise a simple show of solidarity at a meeting, we have let an important subject degenerate into a mud slinging contest.

If you don't think it will work DB and we are wasting our time, thats fine. You have said your bit, vote with your body by not showing up.

But please don't stuff up the thread.

[StoneY]

I agree with Dave

DB you are entitled to your warped and twisted views on society mate but leave this thread alone we are trying to get WELLINGTONIANS that give a toss about democracy working as it should

If you cant add value to our plans or discussions, just stay the hell out of it

[CookMySock]

If you cant add value to our plans or discussions, just stay the hell out of itYour plans and discussions HAVE no inherent value, except to further your political career.

Lets watch once again as you propose to represent all bikers at this meeting and achieve nothing. I'll eat my words where I am wrong, but I wasn't wrong last time.

Directing your anger at me will be a good way to paint me as being part of the problem, or the whole problem, but readers will decide for themselves about that.

[nodrog]

Mr Angry Little Man is back and still spouting complete shite.

How loud did you cry to the cops (and the law you so despise) when your worker was assaulted Steve.

Fucking hypocrite.



FWIW, good luck with the meeting.

hey fuck off cunt, "He's a sensitive sort of person - he sells icecreams."

[Ronin]

hey fuck off cunt, "He's a sensitive sort of person - he sells icecreams."

By the sea shore.

[StoneY]

Your plans and discussions HAVE no inherent value, except to further your political career.

What career? I earn my $$$'s in IT dude, what I do for bikers I do out of pride, and no one pays me for it either.
:weird:


Lets watch once again as you propose to represent all bikers at this meeting and achieve nothing. I'll eat my words where I am wrong, but I wasn't wrong last time.
:gob:

What the hell are you smoking Steve?
I represent members of BRONZ Wellington, and BRONZ Federation.
And they seem happy with the job I am doing so far....who have you represented?
:whistle:

Had it not been for prompt action by BRONZ Wellington and other supportive parties, this parking issue would already be resolved with us paying for every inch of space we use.
As it stands our last interaction with Council assured our 500 free parks remain in place.
The new/evolving sub issue is the inflammatory and prejudiced wording in report 4.
:angry:


Directing your anger at me will be a good way to paint me as being part of the problem, or the whole problem, but readers will decide for themselves about that.
:facepalm:

No one is directing anger at you, lol we are directing our ridicule at you're misbegotten attempt to be your own sovereign entity....

As for readers........
Counting the commentators in the threads derisive comments in regards your understanding of NZ Law is more than enough feedback in this thread on this topic for me old buddy.
:shutup:

[StoneY]

Anyway back to serious issue's rather than pander to DB's cry for attention

Trying to arrange a temporary large Motorcycle Park very close to the Council Chambers.
Will advise in this and the other parking related threads on what space we can secure
We have asked very nicely for some space in Cuba St at the Town Hall end of the street, mere meters from the location of the meeting.
Its yet to be confirmed but I will know tomorrow at latest if we can have some reserved spaces for our arrival

Now before anyone starts baying for blood and suggesting we storm the civic square in cammo wielding old motorcycle chains, remember this is our last chance to show our cooperative, nice side to these guys. If this fails to get the report re-written in a less prejudiced edition, then its all out mayhem.......

Come once in peace....if the other guy fails to cooperate, then it will be time for action and we have a few plans that would not make these guys happy

I mean...ok give us PnD then use it to make a case of unfairness against us?
Imagine every PnD space in the northern end of the city occupied by bikes at the time a RWC game was about to kick off at Westpac Stadium

Or a convoy of bikes riding round and round every roundabout on the Airport route causing massive give way queues at each intersection.....

Or.............. (many more idea's coming to my inbox daily some are really creative too!)

:woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo:

[Maha]

I'd rather he just took the "shut up" option

...shhhhhhhhhhhhhh or he'll start a poll.

[willytheekid]

Nope. You're still a raving penis.

:shit:....."to which he replyed" (lol)

[riffer]

At the risk of an infraction (which I'll happily wear) he's being a complete cock, and if he tried this one in public he'd be liable for a smack in the head.

Why don't you fuck off DB and let us actually discuss something of some intellectual merit?

[Swoop]

I'll second that.

DB. Fuck off you retarded cunt.




WCC are public servants (not that they serve the public, only their ego and self interest).
The more noise made at the meeting the better. Perhaps some media attention might also be attracted...?

[Crasherfromwayback]

Your plans and discussions HAVE no inherent value, except to further your political career.

.

If you were toilet paper, and I was so desperate for a shit that I actually used you to wipe my arse, you're so annoying that I bet my arsehole would get all inflamed at the first touch.

[Ronin]

If you were toilet paper, and I was so desperate for a shit that I actually used you to wipe my arse, you're so annoying that I bet my arsehole would get all inflamed at the first touch.

Don't hold back Pete. Say what you really mean.

[StoneY]

This is one situation we simply cannot risk NOT showing up in numbers
If 4000+ signatures on that petition means anything, we MUST be able top get 100 bikes and bikers there to attend....surely!

C'mon Wellington, we simply cant let apathy prevail on Thursday morning....
We cannot allow one prejudiced view of one or two senior council officers to corrupt the public view of our mode of transport with inaccurate science and anti-motorcycle rhetoric.

We worked diligently with the Council to establish good faith, show we can compromise, and now they have twisted the whole PnD access thing into a tool of spite, to create jealousy and disharmony between US and THEM (Them = non motorcyclists)

It brings to mind how a certain European Nation in the early 30's started to edge out one large part of it citizenship by policy and prejudice.....
First the ACC hikes, now our own council goes against us despite the best efforts we have made to work with them.
I said all along, if they DO allow us into the PnD parks, we will risk losing our free parking at the next round.... and for once I was bang on the money.

We will have to be willing to step up, and get disruptive if they do not remove the inflammatory rhetoric designed to inflame any resentment or jealousy of those who do NOT ride motorcycles

Watch the Dom Post for more

Anyone keen on assisting to organize and marshal a pack of bikes on Thursday morning please send me an email

President@bronzwellington.org.nz
Brent

[mrchips]

If 4000+ signatures on that petition means anything

"An ePetition was presented to SPC on 12 May 2011 with 4265 signatures. The petition requested that the possibility of charging for on-road motorcycle parking is excluded from the various options being considered as part of this review. The petition was not supported by Councillors"

This pretty much says it all... the e-petition was as good as Crashe's toilet paper !

[cheshirecat]

We don't need large numbers to make a point or two. I've seen some very effective strategies used by just a few bikes, shunting, the net, media and so forth. Whats more they are legal. Don't forget the Major came in with a very slim majority and there are a lot of disgruntled Welly people out there not just Bikers, just that we have a high profile so we can use it and gain support from a wider circle.

Oh what are MAG doing?

[Bullitt]

Or a convoy of bikes riding round and round every roundabout on the Airport route causing massive give way queues at each intersection.....


You may mean this anyway but AFAIK theres a limit to how many times you can legally ride/drive around the same roundabout. Wouldnt have thought the same problem would apply if you linked the 3 roundabouts together into a continuous loop though (maybe boyracer anti-cruising legislation?)

[Berries]

You may mean this anyway but AFAIK theres a limit to how many times you can legally ride/drive around the same roundabout.
I don't think so. But I'm not sure how long the roundy roundy convoy would last before someone decides to push in. After about 10 seconds I would. And if everyone is riding with such small gaps to try and prevent people getting on to the roundabout it'd be like a load of dominoes falling over. Probably not the best method of disruption. I'd say suck up the cost of a parking ticket and just put one bike per parking space around the council building. The public would see that there is a protest on but are less likely to be antagonised. And they would get to see what may happen if WCC get their way.

Good luck anyway.

[Lurch]

Marcus Lush mentioned on this mornings news round up on radio Live that Wellington bikers were planning to 'disrupt the rugby world cup' in protest over WCC's planned implementation of pay and display for motorcycles.

Is this via you Brent?

[pzkpfw]

I've seen huge delays on the motorway just from people rubber-necking a freakin' grass-mowing tractor. (I swear the flashing safety lights on the tractor actually decreased safety).

So I don't think it would take too many bikes, riding side-by-side (or maybe just riders, in their cars), just slowing down a bit, in rush hour traffic, to really snarl up the motorway.

But as with the roundabout idea, we need to think good and hard before doing actions that screw up the roads. Making a point to the council is one thing, alienating all drivers and making them want to run over us is another.

And we need a very very clear message, and a better one than "I want free parking".

[James Deuce]

Marcus Lush mentioned on this mornings news round up on radio Live that Wellington bikers were planning to 'disrupt the rugby world cup' in protest over WCC's planned implementation of pay and display for motorcycles.

Is this via you Brent?

That is genius on the part of WCC communications dept. Release an unconfirmed rumour on the rabble rouser radio station that the oval ball sport religion is going to be fecked with by smelly bikers. Who get free parking.

I am in awe. That is Goebbels level genius.

[StoneY]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/5373264/Bikers-group-threatens-chaos-during-World-Cup

[pzkpfw]

That is genius on the part of WCC communications dept. Release an unconfirmed rumour on the rabble rouser radio station that the oval ball sport religion is going to be fecked with by smelly bikers. Who get free parking.

I am in awe. That is Goebbels level genius.

Genius, or just quoting Mr Hutchison?

(That stuff article seems to say so.)

[Deano]

Not trying to be negative but it might be a good idea to disrupt things before the event and rugby head 'mobs' get too pissed.

Few hundred bikers vs several thousand drunk rugby heads. Mmmmm

[Ronin]

Here is the bit that makes us unpopular with the great unwashed:


"And if they go ahead with this report then we will get really disruptive. We have plans in place to start rolling disruptions during the Rugby World Cup and... to disrupt traffic flow from the airport during the Rugby World Cup."

Here is the bit that makes the council look reasonable:


A charge of 80 cents an hour for a motorbike would be comparable to a $4 an hour charge for a car, according to council papers.

Seriously? Messing with rugby?

[Bald Eagle]

Seriously? Messing with rugby?

It's just a game. Albeit one which is going to cost the NZ Taxpayer a lot of coin. So yeh mess with it by all means.

[Dodgy_Matt]

It's just a game. Albeit one which is going to cost the NZ Taxpayer a lot of coin. So yeh mess with it by all means.

And one that the Council are trying make their top priority and a top priority for everyone that works at Council

[jellywrestler]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/5373264/Bikers-group-threatens-chaos-during-World-Cup
better hope there's a 100 bikers Roaring in on thursday otherwise they'll know you're just bluffing!

[StoneY]

Well lets see who blinks first then....
Thursday is when we find out I guess

We never asked for access to PnD thats what the council officers decided was their best strategy to justify removing our free parking
Free parking that only takes up 1% of the available curb space

Free parking that cant keep up with the growing PTW fleet so as it is 60% of us allready have alternate arrangements made

We agreed to time limited zones - that's cooperation
We agreed to work with them to find working alternatives - that again is cooperation
We NEVER asked to have PnD opened up for us.

The approach they took was to offer a gift on one hand while stealing with the other, the report was re-written at the last moment
I have had more than one councilor and more than one official confirm the wording that is in report 4 was not what the majority supported
I even know who altered the final draft

Time to quit being politically correct and make a stand
Every motorcyclist in NZ passes through Wellington at some time, and this a (according to some insiders) a test case...if Welly falls so will every other major center in NZ

Internationally, 99% of the major metropolitan area's give free parking to Motorcycles in the spirit of 'part of the solution'
London, New York, LA, Washington, Berlin............

See you there on Thursday

[Ronin]

It's just a game. Albeit one which is going to cost the NZ Taxpayer a lot of coin. So yeh mess with it by all means.

I couldn't give 2 rats about the game myself. But the fans? Who is BRONZ trying to make a point to?

[StoneY]

I couldn't give 2 rats about the game myself. But the fans? Who is BRONZ trying to make a point to?

Council officials mate.
Its a threat...not yet a promise but that may change come Friday

[Crasherfromwayback]

Seriously? Messing with rugby?


It's just a game. Albeit one which is going to cost the NZ Taxpayer a lot of coin. So yeh mess with it by all means.

Mess with the rugby at your peril. Hardly a good way to get people 'onside' (sorry, couldn't help myself) with us. Incase you haven't noticed, NZ is a rugby mad country.

[Ronin]

Council officials mate.
Its a threat...not yet a promise but that may change come Friday

Look at the quote from stuff as a rugby mad kiwi would see it. Then see how you feel about it. Using this tack to get one over on the council will end up as a pyrrhic victory.

I am not being critical however inflammatory statements like that are what the media love and the public seize upon in a negative way. Jim is right in what he has said, from a public relations point of view the score is now: Council 1 - Bikers 0.

[Bald Eagle]

Mess with the rugby at your peril. Hardly a good way to get people 'onside' (sorry, couldn't help myself) with us. Incase you haven't noticed, NZ is a rugby mad country.

I remember the 1981 'madness' well thanks very much.

[Crasherfromwayback]

I remember the 1981 'madness' well thanks very much.

There you go then.

[Katman]

Is this via you Brent?

The Ego has landed.

[allycatz]

We need a few of those French bikers that recently protested on their roads.....they appear to have more balls than kiwi bikers

[Crasherfromwayback]

We need a few of those French bikers that recently protested on their roads.....they appear to have more balls than kiwi bikers

As long as the car drivers don't behave like this...

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[Swoop]

The comments are entertaining.

The chap who claims to be able to transport five people in his little car being better pollution-wise...
How many cars heading into Wellytown have more than one person? Five occupants would be very unusual.
The point some are missing is that single occupant vehicles primarily make up the commuting fleet. "Our" single occupant vehicles take up far less space when IN the (or ANY) city. We can also utilize spaces that a 4-wheeled vehicle could not fit into.

[bogan]

This one sums it up.


So you've just been offered twice as much city parking, only half of which you have to pay for at a reduced rate and you're planning to disrupt traffic flows affecting the very people you're claiming won't tolerate it? Um, am I missing something?

It has to be easily and clearly explained what is being missed. Because most of the public feel the same.

Congestion, less space required both on road and when parked.
Environment, less pollution, better fuel economy.
Road wear too perhaps.

As we are asking for preferential treatment, we need to justify why motorcycles should be the councils preferred mode of transportation.

I think this can all be discussed civilly well before the world cup, and if not, then cause a ruckus. If Stoney/Riffer or anyone else presenting to council/media want some help with research into above points, let me know and I'll do what I can.

[DougieNZ]

I hate to be the stick in the mud here...

But just why can a group of road users demand free parking. Personally I don't mind paying my way if I use a park. Maybe then it will not be impossible to find a park in the CBD like it is now! Make parking buidings free and charge for the street parks I say. This will free some parks up very quickly.

As for the "threat" to disrupt the RWC this is an absolute joke and the people perpetrating it really need to grow up. You speak for the radical minority - not the majority. That should be made clear. Try that and you will get exactly what you deserve.

Stopping on motorways - what heros? Are people that get killed in the inevitable nose to tails that result collateral damage?

You are speaking for a small group of motorcyclists.

The bikoi was well supported because it was done in a legal manner. The action you propose won't be. In fact it would be doing a huge disservice to motorcylists.

[Crasherfromwayback]

The bikoi was well supported because it was done in a legal manner. The action you propose won't be. In fact it would be doing a huge disservice to motorcylists.

With you there!

[Katman]

Hey, all is not lost though.

At least Stoney got his face in a newspaper again.

[Bald Eagle]

The problem seems to be with the councils idealogical stance which uses a transport demand approach to transport management by ideological constraint based on
attitudes to ‘correct’ or ‘incorrect’ transport modes.

Instead of utilising the full range of modes in the transport ‘toolbox, and formulating policy which gives all transport modes equal consideration and value.

[StoneY]

BIKOI cannot be compared to this issue, its local not national (but could be - if Wellington falls, the rest will follow)

Our argument is based on accepted international standards, motorcycles get free parking world wide (99% of major urban metropolitan area's provide this) in recognition of the fact they are part of the solution to congestion and all the other benefits we already know

Reporters are pretty clever
How that article reads is not exactly what I said
I eluded to us being 'prepared to take positive action, some may be mildly disruptive' during an upcoming international event
He wrote the rest.

As far as I am concerned, the goal here is to force a re-write of report 4.

Remove the inflammatory anti-motorcycle content based on poor facts
Also to reject access to PnD - it doesn't work for us at all....... it works against us.
80c per hour ????
Get real there's no way a bike will be allowed a whole car space at that rate. Wake up.

I have just returned to work from meeting a council parking official who has granted us access to lower Cuba street to park up to 100 bikes untill 11am Thursday Morning

Anyone have any road cones we can deploy?
Oh and same official wished us luck...he rides a bike as well and hopes we achieve the goals above

[DougieNZ]

Hmmm wouldn't have taken much to link that with "Motorcyclists will take action during the Rugby World Cup" then. Sensation sells newspapers.

This is noting personal against anyone. In fact I appreciate what you are trying to achieve and particularly the passion you are showing in this mainly lethargic world.

My blood just boils when I hear about people threatening to disrupt the rugby world cup. This is the one chance we have (or maybe will have for many years) to showcase our country in a positive light, encourage tourism, create jobs as a result etc etc. I get very annoyed when I hear people threatening to spoil the show and potentially do our country a major disservice.

Once such threats are made and not carried through with credibility is damaged. One would be much better to have not made the threats in the first place.

Good luck for Thursday. The classic no-win. Most people work during the week. Councils don't work wekeends... I hope you get a good turnout anyway.

[Dodgy_Matt]

I hate to be the stick in the mud here...

But just why can a group of road users demand free parking. Personally I don't mind paying my way if I use a park. Maybe then it will not be impossible to find a park in the CBD like it is now! Make parking buidings free and charge for the street parks I say. This will free some parks up very quickly.

The only issue with that is that they are talking about charging for parking buildings as they are P&D.
Its one of issues they are hot on.

Other motorists have to pay for parking in a building and yet they see 100's of bikes parking for free... its not well liked

[Dodgy_Matt]

Hmmm wouldn't have taken much to link that with "Motorcyclists will take action during the Rugby World Cup" then. Sensation sells newspapers.

This is noting personal against anyone. In fact I appreciate what you are trying to achieve and particularly the passion you are showing in this mainly lethargic world.

My blood just boils when I hear about people threatening to disrupt the rugby world cup. This is the one chance we have (or maybe will have for many years) to showcase our country in a positive light, encourage tourism, create jobs as a result etc etc. I get very annoyed when I hear people threatening to spoil the show and potentially do our country a major disservice.

Once such threats are made and not carried through with credibility is damaged. One would be much better to have not made the threats in the first place.

The RWC is costing us millions for not a huge or on going financial return.

[allycatz]

If a largish group of bikes choose to ride together to go watch a world cup game in town in a pub somewhere how is that illegal.....thousands of cars will be doing the same thing. I don't suggest stopping on the motorways but a wee bit of traffic congestion is to be expected:innocent:

[Bald Eagle]

I predict two losses here;

The Rugby World Cup - games
The rugby world Cup - business

... I don't want to make it 3 from 3 .

[DougieNZ]

This isn't a rugby world cup debate I know. But just to answer the couple of comments made. YES the RWC will not make a profit on paper. But it is the future benefits we have put the money up front for. And, yes, I understand that is open for debate in itself! :-)

Back to the main topic. I think the organisers should clearly state what their plans are to "disrupt" things at the meeting on Thursday. If they are going to sit quietly and show force of numbers there will be no problems. If they intend to disrupt the meeting and are asked to leave and don't they will be liabile for arrest. So what is the plan people?

I attended a "peaceful protest" once. Next thing I knew people were yelling and carrying on and the speaker (quite rightly) got the police involved. The organisers should be up front with their intentions.

[StoneY]

I attended a "peaceful protest" once. Next thing I knew people were yelling and carrying on and the speaker (quite rightly) got the police involved. The organisers should be up front with their intentions.

we have been for 9 solid months...its the council who played dirty
We intend to present our case with a QUIET show of force supporting us

BRONZ will do the talking on the day with a 3 man representative team from our committee

We need a reasonable show of numbers there to support us in spirit, we are NOT planning to disrupt the council meeting but merely to attend and attend with support.

Disruption will be if we are not able to have the prejudice removed from Report 4

[Smifffy]

Just like the ongoing benefits we are all still reaping from the Americas cup?

Just imagine the sad state the economy would be in today if we hadn't made that shrewd investment.


This isn't a rugby world cup debate I know. But just to answer the couple of comments made. YES the RWC will not make a profit on paper. But it is the future benefits we have put the money up front for. And, yes, I understand that is open for debate in itself! :-)

Back to the main topic. I think the organisers should clearly state what their plans are to "disrupt" things at the meeting on Thursday. If they are going to sit quietly and show force of numbers there will be no problems. If they intend to disrupt the meeting and are asked to leave and don't they will be liabile for arrest. So what is the plan people?

I attended a "peaceful protest" once. Next thing I knew people were yelling and carrying on and the speaker (quite rightly) got the police involved. The organisers should be up front with their intentions.

[DougieNZ]

I like your thinking... exactly like that!

There were heaps of naysayers at the time!

[Katman]

Whooooosh.

[StoneY]

Whooooosh.

Dude, either you have something decent to add to the thread or just piss off.

As I doubt you ever actually RIDE a bike let alone come to Wellington, this issue is of no concern to a doomsayer like you and the bullshit that dribbles down your chin

[cheshirecat]

Personal view yet again. Campaigns like this are difficult to manage with a cohesive focus since we by definition are an independant thinking unfocussed group. However this can also be an advantage. I saw last year in London are small numbers made a difference. NOTOTHEMOB were v good, NTBPT alienated many of the public especially car owners by blocking traf square.I think we can learn from this as WCC must be counting on lack of public support because we are getting free parking when cars are forking out some of the highest fees in the world. See the Dom Poll.
For want of a better word our dysfunction, can be used to its advantage. We have a few negotiating with council (doing a really good job), we have a few wishing disruption, a few doing this and that, a few bikes blocking WCC offices and charging for entry, a few bikes taking up car spaces along LQ at critical times, a few putting a media campaign, a few Shunting. All these little things could add up. we can harness the fustration of cabbies trying to park, car owners getting pinged by the camera car, cyclist lack of lanes, etc.The council is also venerable in other areas - accuracy and reliability of their reports, pollution in a big way and so forth. Anyway I'm going to do my bit - legal and truthful down to the letter. Motorcylces are flexible, independant, diverse and vociforous.

[Paul in NZ]

Sigh.....

WCC is not stabbing bikers in the back - in actual fact they dont really like ANY form of private transport. They are pretty upfront about it.

I'm not sure where this is going really....

[theseekerfinds]

the Americas Cup.. what a joke that was.. and for what? Nothing that's what.. the Rugby World Cup, will you smash that trophy up too?? showcasing New Zealand my arse, so far the whole world thinks this country is full of rip off merchants and greedy business folk since the RWC bullshit commenced.. some of these posts are pretty humourous in terms of apathy and a genuine lack of any understanding of what will happen in a few years time if this goes ahead and the free parking is removed.. next they will increase parking charges for bikes to the full $4 an hour, then they will remove all the motorcycle only parks, then they will make it so bikes can't park in carparks and then the thieves will realise that bikes in parking buildings are very vulnerable indeed.. all I am seeing from the majority on this thread is shortsightedness on a scale only seen when NZ plays France and you fools think you may actually win for once :blink: apathy and disarray are the real enemies here and we seem to be falling right into the trap..

while I in no way subscribe to protests that hinder the public's ability to do their thing, this is no different to the firefighters going on strike, or the police threatening the same thing.. they all want their position to be seen, and the importance of it to them to be understood.. and that means an impact must be made.. this is far more important in the long term than a bunch of games that will provide nothing more than a series of results for people to hang onto for decades to come as they recall how poorly their national team played, how they once again lost to the French and how 1987 really was as good as it ever got.. meanwhile you will be paying $5 to park your bike for 30 mins an hour from wherever you need to be and they will have figured out how to police it with large scale ticketing and special clamps to clamp your bike and you will have to come up with $200 to get it un clamped, and all for the sake of not wanting to support a mild show of solidarity against a council who will do more than take away your ability to park your bike for free.. some folks on here really do need to wake up and see the reality of the future some in the council are trying to achieve.. when the rugby is over this issue will be still going full steam ahead and if we lose out then all motorcyclists stand to lose out because you can bet it won't end with WCC.. show up and be part of the solution don't sit by and watch this end in WCC saying to Hamilton and Christchurch City Councils "we knew they were a bunch of apathetic bastards who couldn't organise a root in a brothel.. cha-ching"

[Berries]

I'm still not sure how any council can enforce pay and display for motorbikes. With no secure place to put the ticket there is a very good chance that the wind will dislodge it or some thieving tightarse just walk away with it. I am sure the admin costs involved in responding to all the people who complain about getting booked for failing to display a ticket wouldn't be worth it, unless they are going to be running a different system.

[riffer]

I'm still not sure how any council can enforce pay and display for motorbikes. With no secure place to put the ticket there is a very good chance that the wind will dislodge it or some thieving tightarse just walk away with it. I am sure the admin costs involved in responding to all the people who complain about getting booked for failing to display a ticket wouldn't be worth it, unless they are going to be running a different system.


Have you read Report 4? The believe they can get the money back from their investment in little over a year.

It's going to cost around $650,000 in the first year of ratepayers money to see if they can make this work.

And yes, they are proposing a number of alternatives. Read the report please.

[Crasherfromwayback]

when NZ plays France and you fools think you may actually win for once :blink: "

We'll smash those snail eating cunts into the turf, along with every other bunch of pooftas. AB's FTW!!!

[StoneY]

We'll smash those snail eating cunts into the turf, along with every other bunch of pooftas. AB's FTW!!!

Showing ya age Crasher (<<<< runs and hides behind Riffer >>>>)

[Bald Eagle]

"we knew they were a bunch of apathetic bastards

I'm reminded of that quote about. "All that's needed for evil to flourish is for good men to do nothing."

The great Kiwi apathy machine is alive and well in godzone, and it parks for free on all the couches and office chairs up and down the country.

[DougieNZ]

I'm reminded of that quote about. "All that's needed for evil to flourish is for good men to do nothing."

And I'm reminded that this is the most often used quote ever! Usually by people who refuse to accept others point of view! I think it may have had a different meaning than a dispute with the WCC about parking! :-)

It makes a couple of assumptions. WCC is "evil" and we are "good". Neither blanket assumption is true in my opinion.

It particularly alleges that if we have a different viewpoint to you that we are not "good men". Sorry, but I disagree. I also diisagree that people that don't agree with your strategy and threats are apathetic. Organise a legal and valid protest at lunchtime that doesn't unnecessarily impinge on the rights of other citizens and people may turn up.

This statement along with the threatened disruption to the RWC does nothing to help your cause in my view.

Again - no disrespect to the organisers. You are passionate about this and rightly so. Just don't expect everyone to neccessarily agree.

[Dodgy_Matt]

This is an interesting read....
http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/comment/5134752/Parking-fees-plan-threat-to-vibrancy

But this explains why they changed their tune and now want Bike’s to pay for parking

http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/5167438/Backdown-over-Wellington-parking-fee-increases

[oneofsix]

This is an interesting read....
http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/comment/5134752/Parking-fees-plan-threat-to-vibrancy

They created an excess in supply with their last price hike it also reduced parking turn-over which is the opposite of it aim so the council thinks its a good idea to do it again. :facepalm:
I already do not come into Wellington for entertainment. The only reason I come to this city at all is work, and because I am in here for work I spend some money in the shops. Once the workers start to resist coming to town, working remotely is increasingly an option, then pity the retailers.
If I can't park my bike for free in Wellington but can in Porirua or Lower Hutt the maths is easy :yes:

[StoneY]

Just show up at Cuba Street between 830 and 900am tomorrow flks, join us at the council at 9.15 to see support democracy

[NONONO]

Good luck tomorrow.
You should get enough to show your pissed off. Who knows, apathy or complacency may not rule this time
Don't turn up? Then don't moan about how your way of life keeps getting shafted.

[Clockwork]

Just show up at Cuba Street between 830 and 900am tomorrow flks, join us at the council at 9.15 to see support democracy

I'll try to be there but I wont bring the bike. Once its parked up, those spaces are like gold and I won't be risking losing it ;-)

[theseekerfinds]

I'll try to be there but I wont bring the bike. Once its parked up, those spaces are like gold and I won't be risking losing it ;-)

and there in lies the paradox..

[Usarka]

I'll try to be there but I wont bring the bike. Once its parked up, those spaces are like gold and I won't be risking losing it ;-)

Wear the threads though bro.

[Clockwork]

Foreshore.

10char

[BMWST?]

"The council wants to encourage people to leave their cars at home"
Surely this quote is gold for us......

[cheshirecat]

"The council wants to encourage people to leave their cars at home"
Surely this quote is gold for us......

Good one - will be using that

[theseekerfinds]

whilst it may be entertaining to some I figured my projectile vomitting of yellow and brown phlegm wouldn't go down to well in council chambers so I won't be at the meeting this morning as I feel totally rat-shit.. best of luck crew

[StoneY]

I think we made our point.

40-50 of us showed, and we made some excellent progress. It is likely the report will be re-worked (or else....)

Simon can post more later

[StoneY]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/5387383/Bikers-protest-motorcycle-parking-space-fees

Up yours Katman :shutup:

[Paul in NZ]

OOoooohhhh... You were scolded for applauding Riffer.... Those councillors are true badasses....

Well done lads...

[Brian d marge]

This man is could be WCC parking advisor:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/oddstuff/videos/5388500

Stephen

hope not a repost

[riffer]

Wellington City Council has just voted to table Report 4 with no conditions. This means pretty much that the issue is now dead in the water - until the Council Officers try something on next time. Thanks for all the support Wellington Motorcyclists! I'm calling this one a win.

edit: Oi Paul - are you stealing my thunder mate and quoting my facebook statuses again!! LOL.

[Bald Eagle]

Wellington City Council has just voted to table Report 4 with no conditions. This means pretty much that the issue is now dead in the water - until the Council Officers try something on next time. Thanks for all the support Wellington Motorcyclists! I'm calling this one a win.

edit: Oi Paul - are you stealing my thunder mate and quoting my facebook statuses again!! LOL.

Duplicate post deleted. :facepalm:

[bogan]

Great result guys! :2thumbsup

[StoneY]

VICTORY

its such a sweet taste (even if I didn't get in the paper today damnit!)

[Smifffy]

VICTORY

its such a sweet taste (even if I didn't get in the paper today damnit!)

Couple of good shots of you in the video tho ;)

Well done, GREAT RESULT.

[StoneY]

Link not working for me Riffer.......

Edit: DOH - found it............sigh............

Riffer isd the man of the hour.
90% of the work on this campaign since the initial meetings 9 months ago has been done by him, and the presenting in council chambers also........... so well bloody done Simon

Wellington Bikers, you all owe this man a very, very well deserved BEER!

:apint:

[Crasherfromwayback]

Wellington Bikers, you all owe this man a very, very well deserved BEER!

:apint:

Glad you didn't insult the cunt by saying we owe him a DB.

[riffer]

Link not working for me Riffer.......

Edit: DOH - found it............sigh............

Riffer isd the man of the hour.
90% of the work on this campaign since the initial meetings 9 months ago has been done by him, and the presenting in council chambers also........... so well bloody done Simon

Wellington Bikers, you all owe this man a very, very well deserved BEER!

:apint:

Piss off man. No-one works alone. Team effort all the way. Thanks everybody. I do believe I shall have myself a nice cold ale once I get home tonight and toast all Wellington motorcyclists.

[Bald Eagle]

Piss off man. No-one works alone. Team effort all the way. Thanks everybody. I do believe I shall have myself a nice cold ale once I get home tonight and toast all Wellington motorcyclists.

I see a nice cab sav in my immediate future, a toast to democratic process.

[riffer]

I see a nice cab sav in my immediate future, a toast to democratic process.

Sounds positively Vice-Presidential. :yes:

[mrchips]

Thanks guys, that was an awesome result !

Good turnout & very well organised. Good to see democracy in action.

untill next time :woohoo:

[cheshirecat]

Candidate for Quote of the Day from The Stuff

"The motorcyclists, many decked out in full leathers, were well behaved during the meeting but were scolded by committee chairman Andy Foster for applauding at the end of Mr Gotlieb's "

[CookMySock]

Hah you won this one! :blink:

Fuck. I have to eat my words now. :facepalm: :violin:

Congrats all around!

[BMWST?]

well done guys sorry i couldnt be there had to get an urgent job out

[HQfiend]

A good showing today and well played I say! Met some new people and remet some old ones! Nice to put names to faces and vice versa.

Round 1 to the biking fraternity!

[riffer]

Round 1 to the biking fraternity!

*sigh* if only it was round 1. By my reckoning it's at least round 3.

Great to meet you yesterday. Thanks for the support!

[mashman]

got the email this morning and will watch the vid... big thanks to ya'll...

[DougieNZ]

Congrats to all those involved. Well done.

I still have to question the whole RWC disruption statement/reference/implication though - especially as it turned out to be TOTALLY unnecessary? Will the big threat and no action damage future credibility? Did it just serve to feed the anti-motorcycle brigade?

[pzkpfw]

... I still have to question the whole RWC disruption statement/reference/implication though - especially as it turned out to be TOTALLY unnecessary? Will the big threat and no action damage future credibility? ...

A: How do you know it wasn't necessary? Might it have been on the minds of the councillors who voted?

B: How do you describe the "no action" as damaging future credibility? Since the council didn't do the thing that was being protested about, the threat wasn't carried out ... because it wasn't needed. How does credibility come into it?

(The cops say "come out with your hands up - or we'll come in shooting". So the criminal leaves the house with his hands up and is arrested.
A: Can the criminal leaving the house claim the cops' threat had no impact? (Maybe, maybe not, but how do you know?)
B: Do future criminals see this as the cops' "threat" not being credible?)


(Disclaimer: I personally don't like threatening the RWC; just didn't understand that part of your post.)

[StoneY]

Congrats to all those involved. Well done.
Well thank you Dougie........but...did YOU show up?

If so ignore part three of my post...coz here comes a serve to all the wankers too fuckin gutless to make an effort.


I still have to question the whole RWC disruption statement/reference/implication though - especially as it turned out to be TOTALLY unnecessary?

You think so???
Think the Councilors all agreed with us?
Do you not think a possibility that word from higher up didn't filter down now such content was in the press with a 'hold off for another 12 months' behind such word?


Will the big threat and no action damage future credibility? Did it just serve to feed the anti-motorcycle brigade?

No I do not think it did. It kept it exactly where it always has been, we are the minority, we and our noisy, fast, smelly bikes are the enemy...get used to it.

And............ one more time for those who missed it, especially wankers like Katman and his ilk.

Whatever the article on Dom Post stated, I never threatened the RWC nor did BRONZ Wellington, nor did any motorcyclist.

But you all (including my own) believed the newspaper article as pure gospel.
BTW everyone thanks for asking me if that's WHAT I said, much appreciated.

At a certain point in the discussion with the writer, I was asked 'Off the record, what happens should the Council ignore your submission'

Comment: (not verbatim but essence of)
"There are a number of action we can initiate, such as parking occupation to show cagers how horrible it would be to have ONE bike in every PnD spot.
Maybe 'go slows' where 100 bikes ride slowly round Mirimar roundabout back to the Airport roundabout, in a constant convoy ......... maybe some of this would be occurring during an upcoming international event so we get some public attention'

It was OFF THE FUCKIN RECORD and I got burned...but did any single one of you ask me what I actually said to the reporter?


NO you didnt. Not fuckin one of you

Once that headline was out there, no mater what happened, it was far too late to try retract in the press because that's just never gonna fly once sensationalism took over.

So we played good biker, bad biker, and well I have to live with the fallout all because I trusted the same writer who has covered the whole gig from day one to stay off the record, a trust long established and now destroyed forever despite the fantastic reporting done yesterday.

Now............
the serve
And it's to you lazy cunts posting in this thread who never lifted a fuckin finger except to bitch, moan or tell us who DID the job what wont, will or cant work.


NONE of you c**ts with your high and mighty opinions on the RWC 'threat' have ANY fuckin idea what went down, how it occurred or how it played (eventually) into our favor.
I saw 50 bikers who actually give a shit show up and you know what?
Other than a few Kbers that are largely also members of the Wellington riders group on Facebook bothered to exercise their right to act, to democracy, and left Riffer, Me, and a handful of others to do the work

You all make me fucking sick with your bullshit 'reasonable' middle of the road 'oooo don't upset the national sport' attitudes...weak, pathetic pansies every fuckin one of you.
I wouldn't stop to piss on any one of you if you were on fire.

Happy? Coz I for one aint despite the temporary respite we gained.


:finger:

[Katman]

It was OFF THE FUCKIN RECORD and I got burned...but did any single one of you ask me what I actually said to the reporter?

You've made shooting your mouth off your own.

Why should this instance be any different?

[James Deuce]

Oi Stoney. Stop bitching on KB and write a press release.

[riffer]

Oi Stoney. Stop bitching on KB and write a press release.

Piss off mate. That's my job.

[Usarka]

Piss off mate. That's my job.

Bitching or press release?

[StoneY]

You've made shooting your mouth off your own.

Why should this instance be any different?

Sad little man...no one listens to you anymore Katman
Show some fuckin balls dude


No one shot anything off. Except your load mr Wide Open Throttles
Any time you wish to discuss these issues face to face I am happy to oblige

[riffer]

Bitching or press release?

Ah... press releases. Please try and keep up.

[Katman]

Sad little man...no one listens to you anymore Katman
Show some fuckin balls dude


No one shot anything off. Except your load mr Wide Open Throttles
Any time you wish to discuss these issues face to face I am happy to oblige

You're an angry wee man, aren't you Brent?

Cheers for the subtle plug btw.

[Ratti]

If you two were my kids you'd both get told to take it outside as it's getting way past boring.

1. People from a variety of walks of life, who happen to ride motorcycles, came together and achieved a reprieve
2. Our actions benefited those who share our passion but were not able to get there or couldn't be arsed taking time
3.this matter WILL be along again in due course, so plan now and make yourself available for the next goround.
4. If you don't like what we did, front up yourself instead of bitching about what a bunch of useless wankers we are - I bloody well tried, YOU did not

[Katman]

If the threat of disruption to the RWC had no bearing on the Council's decision then it was still a clumsy move that could still impact badly on us as a whole.

If the threat was influential in the Council's decision to back down then be prepared to reap the whirlwind when the RWC is done and dusted.

[Ratti]

I agree, So what are you going to do about it in the next goround?

[Katman]

I agree, So what are you going to do about it in the next goround?

I'm going to continue to advise against shooting one's mouth off before engaging one's brain.

[BMWST?]

I'm going to continue to advise against shooting one's mouth off before engaging one's brain.

wow i never knew a threat could be so successful

[Ratti]

I'm going to continue to advise against shooting one's mouth off before engaging one's brain.

Excellent advice, but on a note more focused on the next time WCC raise this zombie- what will you do?

[Katman]

Excellent advice, but on a note more focused on the next time WCC raise this zombie- what will you do?

Remind myself that I'm lucky to live in Taupo.

[FJRider]

Remind myself that I'm lucky to live in Taupo.

In that regard ... WE'RE lucky too .... :innocent:

[DougieNZ]

Hmmm so the quote was

"We may be mildly disruptive during an upcoming international event" and that was said "off the record".

The headlines that were written were "motorcyclists threaten to disrupt RWC.

You would have to be totally naive or competely thick to think that one statement wouldn't turn in to the other. The same would apply to the "off the record" comment. For the vast majority of journalists "off the record" means "here comes my headline". You have no business dealing with the media if you don't klnow how they work. Particularly if you proport to be speaking on behalf of motorcyclists.

For the record - I beleive you are neither naive or thick Stoney.

The other thing I would take issue with is that those motorcyclists who didn't turn up to your "meeting" after your ill advised comments in the media are "gutless" or "don't care" (I won't go in to the various other names). Not many people I know can swan off during business hours to attend a meeting. Especially if they believe the spokesman for the cause had done all motorclyclists a dis-service by threatening to disrupt the Rugby World Cup. I'm sorry mate, but like it or not that is exactly what you did.

Maybe that was more the message about non attendance. The name calling etc since hasn't made me particuarly motivated to help you in the future either. In fact maybe it will assist the cause and help turnout if you say you are not involved in the future?

[Ratti]

Remind myself that I'm lucky to live in Taupo.

So essentially our fight is nothing to do with you, but you still feel obliged to add your opinion.

yup, yup, yup.

Muppets rule.

[oneofsix]

So essentially our fight is nothing to do with you, but you still feel obliged to add your opinion.

yup, yup, yup.

Muppets rule.

Gave him the chance to be negative. No wonder coming from a hole in the middle of the island.

[Katman]

So essentially our fight is nothing to do with you, but you still feel obliged to add your opinion.

yup, yup, yup.

Muppets rule.

Do you expect me to ride down to Wellington for a half hour meeting about something that doesn't affect me personally?

My comments on this thread have been confined to the matter of showing motorcycling in a poor light simply to try strengthening your own agenda.

[Ratti]

Apart from the illadvised comments from Stoney,( one mans opinion ) what has shown motorcyclists in a bad light?
Is it the fact the some of us are trying to work WITH WCC to resolve this issue? O dear, what approach would you suggest?
Not that it's anything to do with you, but I'm sure that, as always, you have the only correct answer

[Katman]

Apart from the illadvised comments from Stoney,( one mans opinion ) what has shown motorcyclists in a bad light?


Nothing else.

Stoney's "ill-advised comments" are exactly what show motorcyclists in a bad light.

Resorting to threats to get ones way will achieve nothing in the long run other than making it harder for motorcyclists to gain a sympathetic ear.

[riffer]

This discussion is getting pointless.

What matters is this:



Council Officers at WCC did the dirty on motorcyclists
A conversation was had with a reporter that was reported out of context, causing StoneY to look rather bad
DomPost tried to stir up trouble in the hope that there'd be a running battle between motorcyclists and rugby fans
We decided to ignore this DomPost FUBAR and go to Council and presented the facts as we saw them.
Council decided to "let the report lie on the table"

Anything other than this is just a further attempt to try and inflame the situation. I would suggest that StoneY and Katman resolve their feud elsewhere because it ain't helping motorcyclists.

If you guys are going to try and score points and stir shit I'll ask the mods to lock this thread.

[Katman]

A conversation was had with a reporter that was reported out of context, causing StoneY to look rather bad


You might buy the "off the record - out of context" story Simon. I don't.

And it's not Stoney that Stoney made to "look rather bad". It's motorcyclists in general that Stoney made to "look rather bad".

[Str8 Jacket]

My hand bag is bigger than all of yours!

[riffer]

You might buy the "off the record - out of context" story Simon. I don't.

And it's not Stoney that Stoney made to "look rather bad". It's motorcyclists in general that Stoney made to "look rather bad".

Not what I'm saying Steve. I'm saying that in the grand course of things, it hardly rates in terms of "things that upset the public".

I upset more people every day by lane splitting to work.

Most people have thin skins. Especially kiwibikers. WCC knew the reality behind the comments. DomPost knew the reality. Most intelligent people knew the reality.

[Crasherfromwayback]

If you guys are going to try and score points and stir shit I'll ask the mods to lock this thread.

Then what would we do for entertainment?

[Katman]

Not what I'm saying Steve. I'm saying that in the grand course of things, it hardly rates in terms of "things that upset the public".

I upset more people every day by lane splitting to work.

Most people have thin skins. Especially kiwibikers. WCC knew the reality behind the comments. DomPost knew the reality. Most intelligent people knew the reality.

I applaud your ability to get your points across at the meeting in a reasoned manner without resorting to threats Simon.

Perhaps someone should gag The Mouthpiece until he shows the same ability.

[DougieNZ]

Katman isn't the only one upset by this I suspect. Personally I have no problem with anything (in fact I applaud the effort) other than the RWC disruption threat.

If an apology were to be made or even a hint that the wrong thing may have been done I think there would be a lot less ill feeling on this issue.

Instead we trot out the "I thought it was off the record" statement and the bizzare "though I clearly did threaten the RWC I actually didn't" comments.

Anyone making statements like that must be of the perception we are all a bit thick.

There also seems to be no comment of lessons learnt here. I almost get the feeling there would be no hesitation to do something just as stupid and damaging to motorcylists next time. My only comment to that is - next time name the people who agree with the threat to disrupt the Rugby World Cup. If you want to make these rash threats - take responsibility for them. This will prevent us all being tarred witn the same brush. I suspect the name list will be short......

[oneofsix]

Katman isn't the only one upset by this I suspect. Personally I have no problem with anything (in fact I applaud the effort) other than the RWC disruption threat.

If an apology were to be made or even a hint that the wrong thing may have been done I think there would be a lot less ill feeling on this issue.

Instead we trot out the "I thought it was off the record" statement and the bizzare "though I clearly did threaten the RWC I actually didn't" comments.

Anyone making statements like that must be of the perception we are all a bit thick.

There also seems to be no comment of lessons learnt here. I almost get the feeling there would be no hesitation to do something just as stupid and damaging to motorcylists next time. My only comment to that is - next time name the people who agree with the threat to disrupt the Rugby World Cup. If you want to make these rash threats - take responsibility for them. This will prevent us all being tarred witn the same brush. I suspect the name list will be short......

It appears you guys are suffering from the battered spouse syndrome. You appear to think by appeasing them they will stop hitting you (motorcyclists). You are wrong! Look at the attitude of the council to those that turned up in support, they (the council) expected disruption and in the end had to pick on the applause, how sad. The attitude has been set by the media and movies like "The Wild Bunch", not by the actions of the NZ motorcycling public.
The movie industry demonstrated how to deal with NZ pollies when they threatened to with draw The Hobbit over an artificial dispute and then forced through Section 92a of the copy-write act. The French Bikers showed how to deal with politicians with their distribution. Don't get precious about the RWC (shite look to Adidas, its a rip off anyhow), any event, like the break up of parliment will do (and that one was included in the threat).

Speak softly but carry a big stick.

Well done BRONZ WN :clap:

[swbarnett]

If an apology were to be made or even a hint that the wrong thing may have been done I think there would be a lot less ill feeling on this issue.
But then we only look weak and any future threats are not taken seriously. AKA "Crying Wolf".

[Usarka]

Recent media events have shown that "off the record" is no longer something held to by NZ media. Sensationalism and profit outweigh ethical journalism these days.

The lesson that needs to be learnt here is - no matter how nice they seem don't trust the cunts.

If you think you can handle the media better, post up a youtube clip where you've been interviewed on a controversial subject. Otherwise STFU.

[riffer]

Trust me guys. BRONZ has learned a lot from the events of the last week.

We never claimed to be exemplars of media communication - we are, after all, motorcyclists first and formost, and secondly representatives of the motorcycling public - totally voluntary and definitely unpaid.

I don't really give a shit about popularity or whether I make everyone happy (or anyone else in my organisation does) all the time.

What counts for me is the results. And a better deal for ALL motorcyclists. And if pissing off a small percentage of people is the price we pay for that then I'm good with that.

[allycatz]

The media also made a comment about..."motorcylists, many clad in full leather", as if we wore leathers to intimidate. They obviously have no concept of ATGATT or riding to meetings in winter fog ...aka blardy cold that morning! But, a statement that could of been mis-interpreted by the public. The media like to gloss up the facts.

[Virago]

The media also made a comment about..."motorcylists, many clad in full leather", as if we wore leathers to intimidate. They obviously have no concept of ATGATT or riding to meetings in winter fog ...aka blardy cold that morning! But, a statement that could of been mis-interpreted by the public. The media like to gloss up the facts.

Before you get too comfortable on your high horse, the intimidatory factor was well promoted in this thread, with people encouraged to wear the gear even if arriving by car. A couple of quotes:


...If 100 Wellington Bikers can show up at Council in your bike jackets so you stand out like a bad smelling biker type...


Wear the threads though bro.

Glossing up the facts can be a two-way process...

[DougieNZ]

Exactly... sometimes in life you reap exactly what you sew. Another lesson learnt?

[allycatz]

Point I was making was media are good at making a banquet out of a few simple ingredients...not on a high horse at all! Can't say that anyone there LOOKED threatening

[Virago]

Point I was making was media are good at making a banquet out of a few simple ingredients...not on a high horse at all! Can't say that anyone there LOOKED threatening

The factual statement "motorcylists, many clad in full leather" does not suggest that anyone was threatening. Your own banquet is coming along nicely.

[Katman]

The factual statement "motorcylists, many clad in full leather" does not suggest that anyone was threatening. Your own banquet is coming along nicely.

Motorcyclists twisting words?

Surely not!

[Hitcher]

Exactly... sometimes in life you reap exactly what you sew. Another lesson learnt?

And sometimes in life, one reaps what one sows.

[Dodgy_Matt]

I can't wait till other Councils want to charge for Motorcycle parking.... :yes:

[Hitcher]

Recent media events have shown that "off the record" is no longer something held to by NZ media.

Hmmm. That depends on the quality of the relationship between an organisation's spokesperson and the reporter concerned. All relationships are based on trust. Media relationships are no different. If spokespeople don't make it clear as to what may be on or off the record, then a reporter can't be blamed for that.

[Hitcher]

I can't wait till other Councils want to charge for Motorcycle parking...

If they do their engagement properly in advance of a recommendation being put to Council, then they may get a clearer shot at success than WCC did. Good decision-making should be underpinned by a good transparent, constructive process. It's Council's role to make decisions in the best interests of the communities they are elected to serve. Some of those decisions will always be unpopular with some groups or individuals, including motorcyclists.

[Usarka]

Hmmm. That depends on the quality of the relationship between an organisation's spokesperson and the reporter concerned. All relationships are based on trust. Media relationships are no different. If spokespeople don't make it clear as to what may be on or off the record, then a reporter can't be blamed for that.

Unfortunately they've removed it from the podcast site on Radio NZ but the MediaWatch programme on Sunday morning a while ago had a good piece on this. From memory they interviewed a publisher or producer who basically said if it's in the interest of the story then there's no such thing as off the record.

[Dodgy_Matt]

If they do their engagement properly in advance of a recommendation being put to Council, then they may get a clearer shot at success than WCC did. Good decision-making should be underpinned by a good transparent, constructive process. It's Council's role to make decisions in the best interests of the communities they are elected to serve. Some of those decisions will always be unpopular with some groups or individuals, including motorcyclists.
They did do their engagement properly with the Wellington Council and things were well in hand, then the Council turned around and changed what was agreed too.
The Council effectively made a bad call by changing policy with no consultation.

[Hitcher]

From memory they interviewed a publisher or producer who basically said if it's in the interest of the story then there's no such thing as off the record.

That's always been the case. It doesn't change my earlier point about agreeing with the reporter about what you're going to discuss.

[Hitcher]

The Council effectively made a bad call by changing policy with no consultation.

Attempting to change policy. Lack of consultation put them at a disadvantage.

[DougieNZ]

And sometimes in life, one reaps what one sows.

Dammit...snapped! :spanking: (me) :hitcher: (Hitcher)

[Ratti]

Point I was making was media are good at making a banquet out of a few simple ingredients...not on a high horse at all! Can't say that anyone there LOOKED threatening

darn, and I was trying so hard!

[Number One]

My hand bag is bigger than all of yours!

Skiting bitch!

[StoneY]

Hmmm. That depends on the quality of the relationship between an organisation's spokesperson and the reporter concerned. All relationships are based on trust. Media relationships are no different. If spokespeople don't make it clear as to what may be on or off the record, then a reporter can't be blamed for that.

Very good point Mr Hitcher and due to previous dealings trust was high, and 'off the record' was clearly defined.
I wont be caught napping again that I can assure you of.
However...moot point now.
Change of leadership imminent
You shall all hear of it soon enough

[Bald Eagle]

Next round people.
More bus lanes in Wellington central (http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/5468035/More-bus-lanes-in-Wellington-central)

The effect of the bus lane would be limited to the length of kerbside parking between Majoribanks St and Elizabeth Street which has space for around 12 cars plus a loading zone and motorcycle stand. Over this length parking would not be available 4pm to 6pm weekdays but available at all other times.

[Paul in NZ]

FFS - this is getting stupid. Fucking busses (mostly with fuck all people aboard) are running riot around the place. Jesus - just build a few terminus type places and run the things to there and walk the last 10 mins....

Has the council got shares in the bloody bus company or something?

[Berg]

Some of us would have liked to attend the WCC meeting but due to working and also having to be careful as to "taking sides" I was forced to stay out of it.
After the media beat-up, I'm glad I did. Yes, it was a good result but at what cost?
Maybe somebody should look into how much "funding" Go Wellington buses get from both WCC and NZTA. It may lead towards a reason for more bus lanes.

[oneofsix]

Next round people.
More bus lanes in Wellington central (http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/5468035/More-bus-lanes-in-Wellington-central)

The effect of the bus lane would be limited to the length of kerbside parking between Majoribanks St and Elizabeth Street which has space for around 12 cars plus a loading zone and motorcycle stand. Over this length parking would not be available 4pm to 6pm weekdays but available at all other times.


I'm just trying to picture Wellington Motorcycles losing the bike parking at their front door. Makes for some interesting scenarios.

[riffer]

Here's the plan for bus priority lanes in Kent Terrace. As you can clearly see, there will be NO PARKING WHATSOEVER BETWEEN 4-6pm outside Wellington Motorcycles under the new plan.

It will be interesting to see the effect that has on WMCC business if their customers are no longer able to park outside.

[James Deuce]

Next round people.
More bus lanes in Wellington central (http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/5468035/More-bus-lanes-in-Wellington-central)

The effect of the bus lane would be limited to the length of kerbside parking between Majoribanks St and Elizabeth Street which has space for around 12 cars plus a loading zone and motorcycle stand. Over this length parking would not be available 4pm to 6pm weekdays but available at all other times.


Small-minded arseholes looking for revenge then?

[Deano]

If I was Garry Gill I'd be on the phone to Council's strategic development team/business development officer. I bet he pays a shit load of rates to them.

That's just crappy.

[Katman]

Small-minded arseholes looking for revenge then?

Someone should offer up Stoney as a sacrifice.






(Oh that's right, he's already fallen on his own sword).

[riffer]

Could be a bad move. Y'see before they were just pushing around the scooter riders and commuters.

Now they're messing with Harley riders.

This has the potential to get just a little bit messy.

And Dave Burgess - before you go all silly and start writing all sorts of shit - I ain't calling for any disruption here mate. Down boy.

[Bald Eagle]

As well as the bike park issue there is also the footpath width outside the Embassy Theatre which would need to be modified so now they will also be affecting pedestrian safety.

Watch this space folks.

[Bald Eagle]

Here's our timeline folks.

Subject to Councillor approval, it is proposed to advertise the traffic resolutions covering the recommended bus priority measures on 23 August and to report back to SPC with feedback and recommendations on 22 September, prior to a final Council decision.

[Bald Eagle]

Mayor on live chat (http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/5459475/Live-Chat-Celia-Wade-Brown) in 4 minutes. Questions submitted.

[riffer]

Mayor on live chat (http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/5459475/Live-Chat-Celia-Wade-Brown) in 4 minutes. Questions submitted.

Any replies Paul? Also, will I be seeing you tonight?

[Scuba_Steve]

Next round people.
More bus lanes in Wellington central (http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/5468035/More-bus-lanes-in-Wellington-central)



we want to decrease buses not encourage them :facepalm:.

Buses are an annoyance for everyone road users & pedestrians alike, they are by far the worst form of transport & they want to give them more space :no:

[riffer]

Councillor Bryan Pepperel is fighting the good fight about this:

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[Bald Eagle]

Any replies Paul? Also, will I be seeing you tonight?

No replies, and the questions I posted didn't make it to the live chat. You will not be seeing me tonight as I have a date with a luvly lady at a Thai Restaurant. Will be calling you tomorrow.