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BuckBuck#1
31st July 2011, 19:49
(A Recent Reply To Recalcitrance - on another website)

Thanks for your comment.

No matter how I try to express my positive and supportive comments, that of themselves may appear to deride the overall tenet of Ulysses, my comments are intended to be provocative and also to be in a healthy context. It is and never has been my intention to decry Ulysses. But, when I see there is a need for positive encouragement and reinforcement of motorcycle safety then I will never take a backward step.

Where we have the ability, the strong and positive encouragement, to improve any given situation, in any given circumstance, then morally we – just do it.

For example if there is an entity with a relatively large accumulation of funds, that can only see its ‘costs and expenditures’ in isolation, and not project itself to beyond the current ‘cultural climate’, then the organisation/entity is infested with an uncompassionate and uncaring nature. Look beyond ‘what is’ and look toward ‘what can be’, and if through a judicious use of funds any life/s that can be saved and any injury reduced, then – just do it.

Motorcycle Safety Advisory Council - MSAC
Representatives of the MSAC, in particular, Ulysses New Zealand, and BRONZ – Bike Riders of New Zealand, are in a position to create and promote positive interest in:

Motorcycle Rider Safety - MRS

Motorcycles Rider Skills Development - MRSD , and

Motorcycle Clubs Pro-Active Involvement.- MCPAI

I do believe initiatives have already been undertaken (in Wellington with Rider Imrovement Courses sponsored by local government) already, however leading into daylight saving 2011/2012, I would like to see a very creative and promotional involvement by MSAC/ACC/Ulysses/BRONZ and other advisory representatives.

Where any organisation has a relatively substantial amount of accumulated funds, funds that have been built up over many years, and expenditure/costs that of themselves appear to be self-serving, then I would like to think that there will be a marked shift in ‘how, when , where, and why’ funds are committed into the future that address – MRS and MRSD. Pro-active involvement will result from initiatives being undertaken, in the media (particularly local regional newspapers, and believe it or not letter box drops – eg ‘motorcycle skills development rodeo 9am – 12pm…’ oh and ‘Facebook’). I also would like to think that local government and private enterprise get involved with promotion.

I sold my bikes early last year and recently purchased another bike for this summer. I have attended numerous riding courses and encourage motorcyclists in general to ‘review and refresh’ by attending courses when they are programmed in the local region.

May 2011/2012 see a ‘shift in attitude from activism ‘Bikio or whatever’, to promoting positive rider safety outcomes, no matter how these are brought about, as long as they are brought about from within the biker community for the betterment of the biker community. And where there is positive encouragement from numerous government and non-government entities then so be it.’

Katman
31st July 2011, 19:56
Great post - I agree entirely.

raftn
1st August 2011, 08:39
Goodness me, that almost reads like common sense.

ducatilover
1st August 2011, 08:46
I agree with that, I'm all for promoting safer riding. Give me a job doing it :yes::scooter:

Big Dave
1st August 2011, 08:54
>>BRONZ – Bike Riders of New Zealand,<<

Is a non-profit organisation which already runs 'ride right ride safe' training courses.
There is no cache of funds.

Katman
1st August 2011, 08:57
>>BRONZ – Bike Riders of New Zealand,<<

Is a non-profit organisation which already runs 'ride right ride safe' training courses.
There is no cache of funds.

I think BRONZ could go a step further by openly condemning irresponsible riding.

James Deuce
1st August 2011, 09:03
I think BRONZ could go a step further by openly condemning irresponsible riding.
Ooo, I know, how about leading by example.

Big Dave
1st August 2011, 09:06
Go to the meeting, raise the motion, have it voted on. It's a democratic process.
Dribbling on the internet achieves nothing. (I'm an expert).

Katman
1st August 2011, 09:08
Go to the meeting, raise the motion, have it voted on. It's a democratic process.
Dribbling on the internet achieves nothing. (I'm an expert).

Don't be so precious Dave.

You know very well it's something that shouldn't have to be voted on.

James Deuce
1st August 2011, 09:13
Go to the meeting, raise the motion, have it voted on. It's a democratic process.
Dribbling on the internet achieves nothing. (I'm an expert).

But, but, but, but.........

Ronin
1st August 2011, 09:33
But, but, but, but.........

I know. What would we all do if it weren't for dribbling on the internet?

Big Dave
1st August 2011, 09:38
I know. What would we all do if it weren't for dribbling on the internet?

Achieve.<tenchars> </tenchars>

Ronin
1st August 2011, 09:39
Achieve.<tenchars> </tenchars>

Over rated so I'm told.

Big Dave
1st August 2011, 09:43
Hard work and dedication pay off in the long run.
Laziness pays off now.

Banditbandit
1st August 2011, 11:37
I'm sorry but I don't understand what a critique of the Ulysses Club has to do with KiwiBiker ..

Smifffy
1st August 2011, 14:44
I'm sorry but I don't understand what a critique of the Ulysses Club has to do with KiwiBiker ..

OP needed a taller soapbox?

But still, despite promises of action, it still doesn't appear as if too many tangibles are being produced by MotoNZ (or the McSAC)

How has any of the following produced a safer rider, anywhere?


from their website:

LATEST NEWS

MOTO NZ enlists riders help to stop effluent spills

MOTO NZ today launched a new campaign aimed at ending effluent spills on our roads. Read full article

1 June 2011
MOTO NZ website and brand launched

The Motorcycle Safety Advisory Council, under the Chairmanship of Dr Gareth Morgan, is moving quickly to establish communication channels with New Zealand riders. Read full article

4 May 2011
Motorcycle safety body starts its journey

The inauguration of the Motorcycle Safety Advisory Council marks an exciting new development for New Zealand riders, Chairman Gareth Morgan said today. Read full article

24 March 2011

pritch
1st August 2011, 16:58
I'm just slightly confused. Surely if any group or individual has managed to accumulate funds it is entirely their business how those funds are spent. Or not.

Helen & her henchwomen did more damage than I realised if it is now considered a valid thought process to decide that if someone has money then it is available for use by anybody.

A socialist's wet dream:facepalm:

Mom
1st August 2011, 18:30
I'm just slightly confused. Surely if any group or individual has managed to accumulate funds it is entirely their business how those funds are spent. Or not.

Any monies would have to be spent with consideration to the purposes and goals of said organisation, usually well documented in the constitution of such a group. And yes they can spend it how they see fit as long as it falls within the peramiters of the rules. If they dont follow the rules then they can be held accountable if someone calls them out on it at a meeting.

Banditbandit
2nd August 2011, 15:04
So .. it's an internal matter for Ulysses .. so What is the topic doing here on KB ? How many KBers are Ulysses members

Maybe some of us are eligible at over 50 .. but WTF ?

Banditbandit
2nd August 2011, 15:06
OP needed a taller soapbox?



:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Too true

Spearfish
2nd August 2011, 15:43
Is the attendance of these training or skills events mainly from members of the club or orginasition aligned with the event or is there a reasonably large cross-section?

avgas
2nd August 2011, 15:59
There has been a shift in attitude.
From motorcycling to money.

I concentrated on riding. Put the rego on hold. And avoided such groups.

The rest is political BS. How many of you need to be told how to ride safely?
If any of you do. Get off the fucking road and stop wasting money.

Banditbandit
2nd August 2011, 16:12
Is the attendance of these training or skills events mainly from members of the club or orginasition aligned with the event or is there a reasonably large cross-section?

Fuck knows .. last time I went to a training day it was at Hampton Downs (first time it had been used for bikes) and I just wanted to ride the track .. there was a good cross-section of people there ... I think it was organised by the Hamilton Motorcycle club ..

Virago
4th August 2011, 12:56
...No matter how I try to express my positive and supportive comments, that of themselves may appear to deride the overall tenet of Ulysses...

Out of interest, are you a financial member of Ulysses?

KoroJ
4th August 2011, 19:41
Why should Ulysses spend their money on providing Riding courses for the multitudes?

Ulysses has invested in improving Motorcycle Safety by training Rider Mentors throughout the country. These mentors are primarily available to Ulysses members, they are generally active members who are frequently on club rides and easily accessible to members, and they are also available to assist any rider (yes, even crazy KB'ers) who want help or guidance.

There is debate over the difference between mentoring and training (which mentors aren't allowed to do???) and there are boundaries beyond which a mentor shouldn't go, but the service is available. KB also has mentors available and I don't know how well either group utilise the services of these volunteers, but they are available.....for free!

As well as mentoring, Ulysses promotes safe riding on most of their rides by controlling the pace with a lead rider as well as having a TEC and stressing to riders to ride at there own pace...and the TEC won't mind how slow that is (at least on the outside anyway). Wgtn Branch have also included things like 'Minimal Brakes' rides, 'Economy Runs' and 'Police Rodeo' riding to promote awareness and improve skills.

The local councils have also climbed on board the Safety Wagon and are providing day courses at free or very cheap rates.

If the mentors or council courses aren't enough for riders, buy a session or two with RideSafe, or a track training session with the like of Pavich or Bernard etc.

BRONZ Wgtn did their thing by running the Tues rides last summer for Newbies.

What more do you want?

sinned
10th August 2011, 18:53
I'm just slightly confused. Surely if any group or individual has managed to accumulate funds it is entirely their business how those funds are spent. Or not.

Helen & her henchwomen did more damage than I realised if it is now considered a valid thought process to decide that if someone has money then it is available for use by anybody.

A socialist's wet dream:facepalm:

As a contributor to the Ulysses funds and a net contributor to government funds (lots of tax and minimal ($1042 kiwisaver) financial benefits) I also object to others telling me how to spend my money.

Katman
10th August 2011, 20:16
While Ulysses may have no obligation to contribute any more than they already do to safety intiatives I imagine the positive spin from being seen to be investing back into the motorcycling community would do motorcycling's credibility no end of good.