Kronic banned

[cold comfort]

Don't have a problem with this (even though prohibition never really works) however the hypocrisy is outstanding. Kronic banned "because we don't know the long term effects". Well we know the long term effects of alcohol but instead of following the Law Commissions recommendation of raising prices and reducing availability all we have is lip service from Government. The liquor industry tail wagging the dog again.

[Blackshear]

Don't have a problem with this (even though prohibition never really works) however the hypocrisy is outstanding. Kronic banned "because we don't know the long term effects". Well we know the long term effects of alcohol but instead of following the Law Commissions recommendation of raising prices and reducing availability all we have is lip service from Government. The liquor industry tail wagging the dog gain.

How else is our community going to become healthier if we don't allow gambling and alcohol trusts that give some of their government-earned money back, through wasting it away?

I personally don't give two shits about that fake weed, the real stuff is even easier to buy. Prohibition indeed. :facepalm:

[mashman]

booze sales musta really been hit.

[\m/]

Won't be long before someone invents a new legal drug and the cycle will repeat yet again, should just legalise the real shit.

[Parlane]

Won't be long before someone invents a new legal drug and the cycle will repeat yet again, should just legalise the real shit.

I think the proposed law basically says that these types of things are automatically banned upon introduction.

[jazfender]

Hopefully now Peter Dunne will shut the fuck up and go back to whatever it is he is in parliament for.

I can't wait for the next media beat-up. I heard fanta's pretty serious...makes your tongue orange. :shit:

[Parlane]

Hopefully now Peter Dunne will shut the fuck up and go back to whatever it is he is in parliament for.

I can't wait for the next media beat-up. I heard fanta's pretty serious...makes your tongue orange. :shit:

Won't someone please think of the carpet cleaner manufactures and resellers?!

[jazfender]

Just last week, there was a can of Fanta found in a fatal accident...investigators suspect the drink has been a factor in a number of gruesome road deaths.

[Parlane]

Just last week, there was a can of Fanta found in a fatal accident...investigators suspect the drink has been a factor in a number of gruesome road deaths.

Don't forget tooth fatalities :(

[Hitcher]

I think the proposed law basically says that these types of things are automatically banned upon introduction.

As they should be. Products like Kronic are about making a dollar out of a legal loophole. One day New Zealand will have proper legislation about dietary supplements and other non-medicinal products so that people who buy them know what's in them. There's no such thing as a "safe" product, including water.

Informed consumer choice should be a principle that underpins all commercial transactions.

I am constantly amazed by people who go to inordinate lengths to avoid MSG and gluten (the numbers of people actually affected by either of these is very low as a percentage of the total population) yet who are more than happy to ingest products that some illiterate, innumerate bogan has whipped up in a basement garage from products that their bogan mates have acquired from motorcycle gangs who have lovingly imported these from China, sight unseen.

[Parlane]

As they should be. Products like Kronic are about making a dollar out of a legal loophole. One day New Zealand will have proper legislation about dietary supplements and other non-medicinal products so that people who buy them know what's in them. There's no such thing as a "safe" product, including water.

Informed consumer choice should be a principle that underpins all commercial transactions.

I am constantly amazed by people who go to inordinate lengths to avoid MSG and gluten (the numbers of people actually affected by either of these is very low as a percentage of the total population) yet who are more than happy to ingest products that some illiterate, innumerate bogan has whipped up in a basement garage from products that their bogan mates have acquired from motorcycle gangs who have lovingly imported these from China, sight unseen.

I love MSG..

[Hitcher]

I love MSG..

It does no harm to most people. It's a naturally occuring product. Indeed there is scant science to suggest that it does any harm to anybody at all. Psychological prejudice is another matter entirely.

Regretably uninformed consumer pressure has forced a lot of Chinese food outlets, wrongly singled out for having a penchant for using this product, to put up signs saying "No MSG used" or similar sentiments, reinforcing the misbelief that MSG is harmful.

[The Lone Rider]

As they should be. Products like Kronic are about making a dollar out of a legal loophole. One day New Zealand will have proper legislation about dietary supplements and other non-medicinal products so that people who buy them know what's in them. There's no such thing as a "safe" product, including water.

Informed consumer choice should be a principle that underpins all commercial transactions.

I am constantly amazed by people who go to inordinate lengths to avoid MSG and gluten (the numbers of people actually affected by either of these is very low as a percentage of the total population) yet who are more than happy to ingest products that some illiterate, innumerate bogan has whipped up in a basement garage from products that their bogan mates have acquired from motorcycle gangs who have lovingly imported these from China, sight unseen.

+1

I'd love to see some regulation on homeopathic and natural medicine. At the moment, it's just "slap a label on it, say it does something, and make your money".

I love all these people who buy "natural" stuff, yet they are little cartons of processed and milled pills, liquids, and powders.

Eat your damn vegetables, wear a flipping condom, and stay away from highly contagious people!

[jazfender]

What about slapping a warning sticker on products and letting us choose whether we want to buy them or not?

[Banditbandit]

I think the proposed law basically says that these types of things are automatically banned upon introduction.

So - nutmeg is next on the list then? Mix a packet with milk and swallow - a mild high ...

[Banditbandit]

There's no such thing as a "safe" product, including water.



Don't drink the water - fish fuck in it

[allycatz]

It was banned because it contained two ingredients that are currently only available as prescribed medication thus its illegal for it to be sold.

[Indiana_Jones]

I can't wait for the next media beat-up. I heard fanta's pretty serious...makes your tongue orange. :shit:

Agreed.

I don't have an point of view on the whole weed issue.

But as Jaz says, the media love a beat up. It's like they sit around a table on Monday morning and go "ok what can we beat up/get banned this week?", Teen drivers, school balls, Kronic, FFP, Labour, National etc

-Indy

[Parlane]

"ok what can we beat up/get banned this week?", Teen drivers, school balls, Kronic, FFP, Labour, National etc


Ban the government!

[SPman]

Hopefully now Peter Dunne will shut the fuck up and go back to whatever it is he is in parliament for.

I can't wait for the next media beat-up. I heard fanta's pretty serious...makes your tongue orange. :shit:
Peter Dunne - who previously called efforts to ban the sale of cigarettes to children "fascist" - moving to immediately ban Kronic and other "legal highs".......
personally I can't see why you need artificial highs (these days), so banned or not doesn't affect me.

It's just the blanket hypocrisy over the whole issue.....on all sides!

[kiwifruit]

Tag: On the wagon!

[Maha]

......in related news, the far North and eastern BOP have noticed an increase in non returning bridge jumping.

[mashman]

It was banned because it contained two ingredients that are currently only available as prescribed medication thus its illegal for it to be sold.

if it's prescription, where's the problem? They must have already undergone trials :)

[Hitcher]

I'd love to see some regulation on homeopathic and natural medicine.

Homoeopathy has nothing to do with "medicine". What's sold is distilled water and a lot of Namby Pamby(TM). Any benefit has nothing to do with a scientific remedy involving chemistry. It's about assuaging what goes on in people's heads which, at times, can have a negative affect on their health and wellbeing.

Another really annoying thing about the whole Kronic business are the distributors who claim that they know nothing about what's in the product they think is in their customers' best interests, nor do they care. They accept no responsibility nor liability for their goods, although they're happy to turn a dollar pedalling it. Bogan parasites. They probably pimp their daughters as well.

[scumdog]

Don't have a problem with this (even though prohibition never really works) however the hypocrisy is outstanding. Kronic banned "because we don't know the long term effects". Well we know the long term effects of alcohol but instead of following the Law Commissions recommendation of raising prices and reducing availability all we have is lip service from Government. The liquor industry tail wagging the dog again.

So your take on this is: "We have alcohol causing known long term problems and effects, ergo we should also allow Kronic too- even if we DON'T know what its long term effects are"?

Liquor got its foot in the door first with the Govt, deal with it...



(And no, I wouldn't give a shit if alcohol was 'banned'.)

[Usarka]

I laughed so hard I weed.

[scumdog]

Another really annoying thing about the whole Kronic business are the distributors who claim that they know nothing about what's in the product they think is in their customers' best interests, nor do they care. They accept no responsibility nor liability for their goods, although they're happy to turn a dollar pedalling it. Bogan parasites. They probably pimp their daughters as well.

And during the time Kronic and other similar shit is/was legal I didn't notice a consequantial drop in issues with illegal drugs, things were just as bad with regard to them.


(Mr Kronic alluded to more problems would now arrise with hard and illegal drugs if his product was banned, nice to see him so altruistic....Tuis moment eh...:rolleyes:..)

[98tls]

I say thank fuck for that,twas having an affect on sales and with the growing season approaching was a little concerned.Can happily set about preparing.:woohoo:

[The Lone Rider]

Homoeopathy has nothing to do with "medicine". What's sold is distilled water and a lot of Namby Pamby(TM). Any benefit has nothing to do with a scientific remedy involving chemistry. It's about assuaging what goes on in people's heads which, at times, can have a negative affect on their health and wellbeing.


Tell that to the people who seek those alternatives. They believe otherwise.

I have concerns over the number of people who seek alternatives that aren't regulated, or even tested. Particularly when those alternatives are sought out instead of tried and true mainstream western medicine. Or any other form of medicine where they is a process of testing, and auditing methodology.

The truth is, the whole alternative medicine potion scene is fed anecdotal "knowledge" that is passed around by people who are no more in the know than anyone else. No one can cite hard facts about what their "medicines" really do and have in them. I fear more recently, websites such as Facebook enable these natural magic seekers, and gives them the opportunity to share more "knowledge" and band together as a community - as if to say "well we can't be wrong, look how many others believe the same?"

Sure, "natural" and not "man made" might seem like the way to go. It's somewhat instinctual and makes sense. But then so did the world being flat.

They are also fooling themselves - the processing to bottle all that stuff would have a large number of additives and chemicals just to get the pvc lid fast-tightened, with a solvent based glue for the label. And lubricants through the pipe works that fill the bottles. Who knows what really goes in them - they aren't regulated. Might as well piss in a bottle and rub some good old staphylococcus in as well, and sell it as a natural remedy for strep throat.

There is a general practice in Christchurch called Helios, and while their staff are qualified GPs they push that "natural" crap as the way to go. They stock an abundance of little vials they happily hand out (for a price of course). Their immunization information and handbooks are nearly 10 years out of date, and it appears they support such things as the little amber necklaces babies seem to be wearing now. Apparently it helps the immune system by improving their natural energy flow, and eases teething pain. If you read the small print, the packages note you shouldn't leave them on your kid unless you are in the room with them. I've had one pre-school teacher (I don't talk to them often) tell me those necklaces are now banned at the kindy due to kids chipping teeth on them. Or it might have been choking on one of the beads.

I really hate that hippy shit.

[allycatz]

if it's prescription, where's the problem? They must have already undergone trials :)

Because it has to be prescribed by a Dr. Prescribed medications can rweact with other meds and cause side effects/adverse health effects which a GP has your health records for. The ingredients were what made it so easy for it to be banned so quickly

[cold comfort]

So your take on this is: "We have alcohol causing known long term problems and effects, ergo we should also allow Kronic too- even if we DON'T know what its long term effects are"?


No actually- i say again, i don't support Kronic, or any other of these dodgy preparations but there are a raft of good reasons to can it more compelling than the 'long term effects'. My point is even when we DO know the long term effects of a drug effective action is not taken. (I would have thought you of all people would have had a guts full of the alcohol fallout). There have been recent studies and a very thought provoking documentary series demonstrating "the war on drugs" is not working, in fact the problem is increasing.Just look at Mexico. Surely it is time for a more innovative approach then merely banning.

[scumdog]

N (I would have thought you of all people would have had a guts full of the alcohol fallout).

True, hence why my earlier comment on alcohol - ban it too for all I care.

After all, Gov't control, education, heavy taxes etc haven't worked with alcohol has it?

So I doubt if all the proposed ideas by those pro-cannabis/Kronic etc would work either.

[Usarka]

As they should be. Products like Kronic are about making a dollar out of a legal loophole. One day New Zealand will have proper legislation about dietary supplements and other non-medicinal products so that people who buy them know what's in them. There's no such thing as a "safe" product, including water.


That's not the issue here. I've done some research and one of the main ingredients is something called JWH - there are a few variants, but it is currently legal in NZ. So if they labelled it, does this mean it would be ok? No. They labelled the party pill stuff, and that got banned too..... but new variants keep emerging.

The real issue is the fear of drugs and the desire to put a blanket ban on anything that people use for recreational use apart from alcohol and ciggarettes.

I'm really interested to see what they do here. And I'm really interested to see if it does affect the many supplements which have evidence of working, but don't have the pharmaceutically backed research required to tick all the boxes to get them into mainstream medicine.

[cold comfort]

After all, Gov't control, education, heavy taxes etc haven't worked with alcohol has it?

So I doubt if all the proposed ideas by those pro-cannabis/Kronic etc would work either.

(1) As for Govt control-they have stopped short of instituting the really effective controls ie price and supply. (When this was applied in the UK Drs noticed a drop in liver problems). Discounted selling in supermarkets and dairies and minimum pricing in the too hard basket.


(2) Maybe, but you seem to assume ANY concept other than a blanket ban implies support. With the current ban at least possession will not be an offence thus saving the taxpayer from tedious and unnecessary court proceedings.

[Usarka]

Discounted selling in supermarkets and dairies and minimum pricing in the too hard basket.



It has nothing to do with difficulty. It has something to do with politics, but it has even more to do with lobbying by the brewerys.

[Hitcher]

And I'm really interested to see if it does affect the many supplements which have evidence of working, but don't have the pharmaceutically backed research required to tick all the boxes to get them into mainstream medicine.

By "mainstream medicine" do you mean properly trained and qualified practitioners whose training is grounded in science and whose competence is peer reviewed and certified by robust practice standards?

[Usarka]

By "mainstream medicine" do you mean properly trained and qualified practitioners whose training is grounded in science and whose competence is peer reviewed and certified by robust practice standards?

I'll answer that with a true strory.

After I knocked my head a couple of years ago I asked a specialist if I should take a particualr supplement. He said "good idea".

This guy is a very senior and well respected quack, and I was intrigued so asked why he hadn't prescribed it previously

His response: I can't prescribe it because it hasn't gone through the trials needed to make it a prescribed medicine. But there is a large body of evidence to support it's effectiveness and it is worth trying.

The reality is that it takes more than research to get a medicine approved. It takes very very costly trials. There is no cost benefit for going through these trials for a naturally occuring supplement, because you cannot patent it.

Am I saying that all supplements and alternatives are good? Far from it. A lot of it is as you say. But some stuff has been shown to work, just not to the uber-expensive standard applied by the pharmaceutical companies. Why haven't they done this? Not because it doesn't work, but because there's no profit.

[mashman]

Am I saying that all supplements and alternatives are good? Far from it. A lot of it is as you say. But some stuff has been shown to work, just not to the uber-expensive standard applied by the pharmaceutical companies. Why haven't they done this? Not because it doesn't work, but because there's no profit.

Maybe they have read this "research" :blink: (http://uk.health.lifestyle.yahoo.net/Living-to-one-hundred-down-to-genes-not-lifestyle.htm)

No Phenazepam in Kronic - ESR (http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/9981303/no-phenazepam-in-kronic-esr/)... hmmmmmm.

OMG Dunne reveals he smoked cannabis (http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/9980956/dunne-reveals-he-smoked-cannabis/) (likely choked, I mean toked on it and decided there and then that his crusade in life would be to protect the public from themselves, by removing anything he (and his fuckwit mates) decides is bad for us. Your choices? turned into law by Mr Dunne? Am I that incapable of looking after myself? Even if that includes damaging my health (motorcycle, MSG, gluten, STD, trip and fall, bug etc...). It all costs us money. Especially if the NZ govt now has to defend itself against drug peddlers and their very expensive lawyers. Legalise the big C Dunny. get it over and done with. End of story.

[jazfender]

OMG Dunne reveals he smoked cannabis (http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/9980956/dunne-reveals-he-smoked-cannabis/)

Peter Dunne does not look like a dude you'd share a j with.

[mashman]

Peter Dunne does not look like a dude you'd share a j with.

Oh I Dunn-o (snigger)... I'm sure he's a hoot at parties.

http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lo8mcl2qmK1qjgm8jo1_500.jpg

[Usarka]

Well that legislation worked about as well as it was ever going to..... :facepalm:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10756367

[oneofsix]

Well that legislation worked about as well as it was ever going to..... :facepalm:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10756367

more money wasted on pointless laws. Of course they don't need to advertise it, the ever so responsible news media will do that for them

[jazfender]

Lather, rinse, repeat.

[jazfender]

Don't worry kids, Peter "I inhaled" Dunne has announced that these will be banned too.

We will be safe again.

[mashman]

Well that legislation worked about as well as it was ever going to..... :facepalm:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10756367

yippeeeeeee



Don't worry kids, Peter "I inhaled" Dunne has announced that these will be banned too.

We will be safe again.


ahhh bollocks... we should start a thread discussing the decriminalisation of marijuana, and they should make a law to stop it from hitting the shelves :blink:

[Madness]

Not very happy about this...

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/8025166/Dogs-facing-death-for-legal-highs

Just legalise Marijuana, FFS.

[scumdog]

Why do they call it 'synthetic cannabis' - there's nothing cannabis about it.

Sorta like claiming a dog-turd is synthetic chocolate...

[allycatz]

Not very happy about this...

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/8025166/Dogs-facing-death-for-legal-highs

Just legalise Marijuana, FFS.

I have recently adopted a beagle that was used for lab testing.......she has spent her life in a cage and its taken awhile for her to realise its okay to be just a pet. Why cant drug users that want to use the stuff do the testing....let them fuck up their own brains not an innocent animal!!!

[saxet]

Not very happy about this...

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/8025166/Dogs-facing-death-for-legal-highs

Just legalise Marijuana, FFS.

Will alcohol be tested the same way?

[007XX]

I am utterly gobsmacked the government would even consider this.

In no way is there a logically justifiable argument on this. Party pills are not necessary in any way, so why sacrifice and torture animals for them?

And aren't we still the clean, green New Zealand who protects nature? FFS, whoever came up with this gem needs to be shot with a ball of its own shite.

[Madness]

Why cant drug users that want to use the stuff do the testing....let them fuck up their own brains not an innocent animal!!!

Someone posted on that Stuff page that there'd be plenty of munters in prison that'd likely jump at the chance to be part of any testing. I just can't comprehend why we are testing "recreational chemicals" to a 50% death rate whilst Marijuana is still illegal & hasn't killed a single user, ever.

[Madness]

whoever came up with this gem needs to be shot with a ball of its own shite.


<img src="http://static.stuff.co.nz/1305685355/813/5020813.jpg"/>

[scissorhands]

NZ has some of the laxest legal high regulations, in the world
We are a world leader in this market, supplying Australia and the pacific

Synthetic cannabis is not only about animal suffering, many users rue the day they ever started using synthetic cannabis

A little bit infrequently is usually fine, but it can never substitute real cannabis, which has a zero toxicity rating and medicinal affects

EPIC FAIL Mr MP in regards to the welfare of ordinary NZers and lab animals

[mashman]

Why cant drug users that want to use the stuff do the testing....let them fuck up their own brains not an innocent animal!!!

Because it costs too much money to test on humans and is ever so slightly dangerous to pump a human being full of the same levels that they're more than happy to pump into animals. You can keep all of the dogs in a lab. Dogs don't have lawyers. Dogs won't argue that the dosage you're giving them is outwith that which they would take for personal use. Dogs won't quit if they feel like they need a break from the substance. On the flip side. Dogs don't work or have to function in society after a weekend of "abusing" themselves. Dogs don't have children to take care of. Dogs have a stable diet. Dogs don't have human minds. Dogs don't have human failings etc... It's a biased trial to day, there ya go, the dogs went mental, drugz iz bad mkay. Human beings. Thick as fuck since ages ago.

[Disco Dan]

Well the results of a rather biased experiment involving a certain banned KB member - results were similar to that when a person with ADHD drinks a monster energy drink, a strong cup of coffee and then asks to ride a ZX1100 (when person usually rides a 250cc).

So unless you want to see normal people behave like they have ADHD on an energy drink high with delusions of grandeur - my advice is to keep the synthetic stuff out of NZ. Maybe just let the Australians test it (Failblog video gold).

Wont go near the stuff myself, smells like someone emptied a bowl of potpourri in a bag.

[blue rider]

Someone posted on that Stuff page that there'd be plenty of munters in prison that'd likely jump at the chance to be part of any testing. I just can't comprehend why we are testing "recreational chemicals" to a 50% death rate whilst Marijuana is still illegal & hasn't killed a single user, ever.

Pharmaceutical companies that will be allowed under stringent rules to provide us with the "legal Highs" can not compete with weed.

Weed is cheaply grown, harvested and used......no money involved for big business. Unless of course we allow for the seeds to be patented and money can be made that way.

[Ender EnZed]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/8025548/Dunne-backs-down-on-party-pill-testing-deaths-for-dogs

[Madness]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/8025548/Dunne-backs-down-on-party-pill-testing-deaths-for-dogs

Must have seen this thread, ow? Fuck He's a loser.

[Hitcher]

Unless of course we allow for the seeds to be patented and money can be made that way.

For a product that is easily grown and replicated I can't see how patenting its genetics is going to be either enforceable or lucrative.

[puddytat]

So chemically concocted highs are o.k if "proven" safe by those making 'em, yet natural highs aint?
Why?
Well I 'spose you can tax it, without changing the status quo of the illegal highs which contribute gazillions to the black market economy of N.Z......so whats the fucking Govts problem! Fucking hypocritical I reckon.

[Hitcher]

So chemically concocted highs are o.k if "proven" safe by those making 'em, yet natural highs aint?
Why?
Well I 'spose you can tax it, without changing the status quo of the illegal highs which contribute gazillions to the black market economy of N.Z......so whats the fucking Govts problem! Fucking hypocritical I reckon.

Sigh. The issue here isn't whether the high is "chemical" or "natural". It's whether they are commercially available for sale. If marijuana was sold at retail as is that shit in tins, then you could fully expect to see its marketing exposed to a bit of rigour.

Unless of course one is a Green Party supporter.

[scumdog]

So chemically concocted highs are o.k if "proven" safe by those making 'em, yet natural highs aint?
Why?
Well I 'spose you can tax it, without changing the status quo of the illegal highs which contribute gazillions to the black market economy of N.Z......so whats the fucking Govts problem! Fucking hypocritical I reckon.

And I wonder if in ten years they'll find a plethora of retarded deformed kids created by the chemicals in the synthetic 'cannabis'.....<_<

[blue rider]

For a product that is easily grown and replicated I can't see how patenting its genetics is going to be either enforceable or lucrative.

it is easily grown and replicated if you have access to seeds.

there is quite an interest in gm modified seeds, in seed control and availability on the market. Once the product is legal to buy and grow, there is quite some business to be made with gm modified seeds, royalties on certain strains, re-selling of seeds as the plants are modified in a way that they don't produce seeds etc.

Monsanto comes to mind, as one of the biggest retailers of gm modified seeds and pesticides for their seeds......lots of lawsuits against farmers that have been contaminated by cross pollination for using the Monsanto product without paying royalties etc.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monsanto

http://coto2.wordpress.com/2010/10/25/prop-19-monsanto-and-gmo-terminator-cannabis/

http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/1322.html

http://www.cannabis.info/UK/library/2239-cannabis-contradictions scroll down: The Future

http://www.forbes.com/2003/10/29/cx_jp_1029cannabits.html - older article but quite good

http://montanabiotech.com/patent-trademark-cannabis-medical-marijuana-strains-varieties-products-and-services/


if it were only to taxing the product and tolerating it (no offense if the amount held and/or grown is for own use), and retail only in approved and controlled businesses, it could easily be done. But the larger issue is if the government is happy to leave this little cash crop in the hand of amateurs or if it will give it to big business for milking.

not holding my breath about any changes to the current system yet.

[Brian d marge]

All the stoners over here , won't go near the stuff, all say the same thing ,that there is something odd about that stuff, makes your heart go spastic etc
Glad its banned
Now if they need a poor dumb animal for alcohol testing, ,,,pick me....me ,,,me
I can do it :-)

Stephen

[puddytat]

Sigh. The issue here isn't whether the high is "chemical" or "natural". It's whether they are commercially available for sale. If marijuana was sold at retail as is that shit in tins, then you could fully expect to see its marketing exposed to a bit of rigour.

Unless of course one is a Green Party supporter.

Well sorry, its definitely an issue for me, that is, something made from stuff outta 44gallon drums or
something ala naturel.....a bit like the differance between hybridising & G.E meddling.
Surely there enough evidence out there showing that Dak is no worse than many perscription medicines....it just seems so two faced that so many Govts are all for some & not for others.
Yeah I support Green:doobey:
I am also, a card carrying ,lapel pin wearing Green Party member:woohoo:.The best thing they ever did was to drop their crusade on that issue. Like the majority of "smokers" ,it has fark all to do with politics & more to do with the Law,& for me that is the rub.

[mashman]

All the stoners over here , won't go near the stuff, all say the same thing ,that there is something odd about that stuff, makes your heart go spastic etc
Glad its banned
Now if they need a poor dumb animal for alcohol testing, ,,,pick me....me ,,,me
I can do it :-)

Stephen

Alcohol kills.

[Madness]

Alcohol kills.

And causes brian d marge.

[mashman]

And causes brian d marge.

OH FUCK... we're shitted.

[ellipsis]

And aren't we still the clean, green New Zealand who protects nature?

...ahem...can you give me any empirical facts that relate to when we ever were...

[Road kill]

The wrong people make money from chronic because their in it for profit yet it's ok for doctors who already over prescribe all sorts of dangerous stuff to carry on rockin'.

The right people "the gov'ts mates" make money from booze yet it kills hundreds of people and destroys family and community every year.

The local cops where I live appear to not really care who makes the money from weed because their more than aware of who's who yet do nothing about it "maybe that's because pot heads are easier to deal with than piss heads and the cops know that if the boys can't score the good shit they head straight to the wholesalers instead,,,then it's a fun night for all.

Everybody including it's users know that Tabacco is really bad shit but the gov't is ham strung by it's own dirty dealings with big business so are reluctant to do anything real about it plus they kind of like the taxes they take in from it anyway.

I take pain killing drugs to help live with the nerve damage in my lower back an legs but those very drugs have a proven history of killing the long term user so I regularly substitute with weed which works far better anyway and won't eventually kill me,,,so I'm a criminal but the doctors that prescribe the legal people killing pain killers are not.

Little wonder so many people have so little respect for the laws when their so obviously about money rather than about people.:rolleyes:

[scissorhands]

Prolly 50,000 kiwis tested the real thing [again] today
Money before people scum

[Road kill]

Because it has to be prescribed by a Dr. Prescribed medications can rweact with other meds and cause side effects/adverse health effects which a GP has your health records for. The ingredients were what made it so easy for it to be banned so quickly

Early this year my then doctor who had all my medical history prescribed to me a drug that almost killed me "in only two days"

I've since changed doctors and I'd advise anybody not to trust any doctor without a second opinion or some very serious consideration.

[Road kill]

Prolly 50,000 kiwis tested the real thing [again] today
Money before people scum

I wasn't one of them.

Two weeks ago I spent 5 days at "Stoney bay" at the top of Coromandel fishing from my Kayak and I shared a joint with one of the locals on the Wednesday night.

Then this Thursday I got to work to find I'd just won the monthly random drug test "8 days after.

So now I'm on two weeks stand down pending another test.

I don't have any worries that the next test will be clean but I'm losing two weeks holiday pay out of it.

My own doing but still pretty pissed,,,,guess scumdog can call me one of his losers now<_<

[Spyke]

It's definitely a bad thing if done alot. I was smoking it heaps because i couldn't get much of the good stuff. nearly smoking it everyday and it ruined me, went psychotic for a while and have now been using anti psychotics for the last year and a half.

Have had a few mates with anxiety issues once they used it. k2 black made a mate completely lose reality (forgot he was human) for a hour or so.

whys it still on the shelves? it doesn't make sense to have something really harmful on the shelves when weed is still illegal.

Now I can't do drugs and its a blessing and a curse at the same time.

be careful using it

don't get me started on salvia, one of the most psychoactive drugs around and that's sold at dairys. I'd say that's worse than any other drug if you have a good trip which isn't usually a good trip if you know what i mean. people that do acid, mushies, cactus say they won't touch the stuff it's uncontrollable.

peace

[scissorhands]

now been using anti psychotics for the last year and a half.

Now I can't do drugs and its a blessing and a curse at the same time.


the anti-psychotic meds you take are a powerful drug with serious side effects too.... many herbal alternatives like kava tablets, vervain, lemon balm, cannabis, may be safer in the long run

I did some experimenting and found liver and cleansing herbs/products [milk thistle, dandelion etc] removed the metabolites from my body within a few days, but I only tried the synthetic weed for a few days.
Still, the internet shows no antidotes after hours of reading and googling.
Some bloggers were seeking advice on removing the residues of synthetic weed and its long term residual effect.

I may have pioneered liver cleansing products as a suitable remedy.....
$250 for the specialist fee thanks


Buy a liver cleansing product from a health food store, and do a cleansing diet for 1 week.
For me now, no beers, no junk food, nearly 2 weeks now.....
[felt great and back to old self within 3-4 days of cleanse]

[scumdog]

I
whys it still on the shelves? it doesn't make sense to have something really harmful on the shelves when weed is still illegal.


peace

Because there's such a demand from fuckwits that keep using it - despite all the bad rep it has.

$$$$$$$$$$$$$ is where it's at baby, fuck worrying about the clients health...

[Bassmatt]

It's definitely a bad thing if done alot. I was smoking it heaps because i couldn't get much of the good stuff. nearly smoking it everyday and it ruined me, went psychotic for a while and have now been using anti psychotics for the last year and a half.



This. I too got into it in a big way as I lost access to the real thing. I found it quite addictive in that I would smoke more and more and more of it as time went on. Looking back now the volume I ended up smoking was bloody ridiculous.
Ended up with a short stay in the nut house for my troubles (after a couple of days of very strange behaviour), ruined mine and the families Christmas and New Year and now feel like a fucken dickhead for getting myself in that situation in the first place.
Its bad bad shit stay away from it.

[Hitcher]

Jesus wept. Never let scientific rigour get in the way of quack remedies and snake oil. Mind you, the Green Party is anti-science.

[Fast Eddie]

All the stoners over here ..

Stephen

haha, the japs smoke weed?

[puddytat]

Jesus wept. Never let scientific rigour get in the way of quack remedies and snake oil. Mind you, the Green Party is anti-science.

And yet they are the only party consistantly pushing better education for children,better food for children , better health care for children, better housing for children ,all so they can learn better.Plus free tertiary education.Anti science? Who is pushing the most for alternative energy? Not the Govt. for sure....they just want to repeat the past. Who is trying to follow the leading democracies of Europe by looking to what the Danes, Swedish & Norwegians are doing.....not the Govt.
Is that the bite youre after?

I reckon ban the fucking lot, especially Booze & Tobacco.....wont bother me as I can grow & brew myself.

[scumdog]

And yet they are the only party consistantly pushing better education for children,better food for children , better health care for children, better housing for children ,all so they can learn better.Plus free tertiary education.Anti science? Who is pushing the most for alternative energy? Not the Govt. for sure....they just want to repeat the past. Who is trying to follow the leading democracies of Europe by looking to what the Danes, Swedish & Norwegians are doing.....not the Govt.
Is that the bite youre after?

I reckon ban the fucking lot, especially Booze & Tobacco.....wont bother me as I can grow & brew myself.

Easy to 'push' for new/better things when you know you've got shit-show of ever being in a postion to implement these 'better things'

Sorry? - I sound cynical??

[Hitcher]

Is that the bite youre after?

It'll do. It's great to make promises that can't be met. Particularly from a Party that has MPs nobody actually voted for.

[mashman]

Easy to 'push' for new/better things when you know you've got shit-show of ever being in a postion to implement these 'better things'

Sorry? - I sound cynical??

Oh the technology is there to be used. Can you tell me why we can't implement the technology? All it takes is will. Plain and simple, just like me.

Nah, you may only lack a little imagination and potentially a smidgen of will :msn-wink:

[Bassmatt]

It'll do. It's great to make promises that can't be met. Particularly from a Party that has MPs nobody actually voted for.

What? You don't take the people on the list into account when you make your party vote?

[The Lone Rider]

I am constantly amazed by people who go to inordinate lengths to avoid MSG and gluten (the numbers of people actually affected by either of these is very low as a percentage of the total population) yet who are more than happy to ingest products that some illiterate, innumerate bogan has whipped up in a basement garage from products that their bogan mates have acquired from motorcycle gangs who have lovingly imported these from China, sight unseen.



Similar to my thoughts, but I've never managed to verbalize it to said people beyond "fuck you're stupid"

[puddytat]

Easy to 'push' for new/better things when you know you've got shit-show of ever being in a postion to implement these 'better things'

Sorry? - I sound cynical??

No, not at all....probably its a realistic take on the state of our society.....one based on selfish self indulgence & the mantra of "if its not about me then Im not intersted",based on free market economics. Look where its got us. Look where its taking us. Towards an overpopulated planet on the verge of collapse, medicated citizens in a fog of excess,controlled by ever more laws for our own supposed good all the while living in fear of their neighbour or coveting their possesions & feeling inadequate because the media & its masters feed them continuously on fear for their jobs & endless crap cop shows.
I do sound cynical.....'cause I see a species that is calmly walking towards an apocalypse of their own making.
Definitely cynical. And I didnt even mention Politicians.:laugh:
I think what scares most anti Greens is that they force people to acknowledge problems that they really dont want to look at.:whocares:

[oneofsix]

No, not at all....probably its a realistic take on the state of our society.....one based on selfish self indulgence & the mantra of "if its not about me then Im not intersted",based on free market economics. Look where its got us. Look where its taking us. Towards an overpopulated planet on the verge of collapse, medicated citizens in a fog of excess,controlled by ever more laws for our own supposed good all the while living in fear of their neighbour or coveting their possesions & feeling inadequate because the media & its masters feed them continuously on fear for their jobs & endless crap cop shows.
I do sound cynical.....'cause I see a species that is calmly walking towards an apocalypse of their own making.
Definitely cynical. And I didnt even mention Politicians.:laugh:
I think what scares most anti Greens is that they force people to acknowledge problems that they really dont want to look at.:whocares:

don't take it to heart puddytat, just remember that scummy works for the ministry of domestic freedom, just like the ministry of justice is a term almost straight out of the novel :shutup:

[scumdog]

don't take it to heart puddytat, just remember that scummy works for the ministry of domestic freedom, just like the ministry of justice is a term almost straight out of the novel :shutup:

Wow, I work for TWO 'companies"?

So where's me extra wages?

Cynicism don't come cheap ya know...

[scissorhands]

Ministry justonefix for oneofsix


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbXciBKcfQ8

[Road kill]

Because there's such a demand from fuckwits that keep using it - despite all the bad rep it has.

$$$$$$$$$$$$$ is where it's at baby, fuck worrying about the clients health...

That all about your bosses was it ?

After all they created the cronic problem and you enforce their wishes.

And the double standards continue don't they.

Heard you claim several times now that you don't care if alcohol is banned for good and you calling abusers of the stuff losers,but you still use/abuse it yourself while continuing to come out with this shit about how others are losers.

Cronic is a classic example of pretending to solve an issue that you created in the first place an then expecting people to buy the smoke screen that it's all the other guys fault.

Must be fun belonging to a gang that enforces corrupt and unjust laws then posting about how pissed you got the other night,,,don't bump into the mirror aye.

[scumdog]

That all about your bosses was it ?

After all they created the cronic problem and you enforce their wishes.

And the double standards continue don't they.

Heard you claim several times now that you don't care if alcohol is banned for good and you calling abusers of the stuff losers,but you still use/abuse it yourself while continuing to come out with this shit about how others are losers.

Cronic is a classic example of pretending to solve an issue that you created in the first place an then expecting people to buy the smoke screen that it's all the other guys fault.

Must be fun belonging to a gang that enforces corrupt and unjust laws then posting about how pissed you got the other night,,,don't bump into the mirror aye.

:wings::laugh::killingme:rofl:...

[Road kill]

:wings::laugh::killingme:rofl:...

Run out of bull shit man ?

Not that we haven't all seen that before.

[scumdog]

Run out of bull shit man ?

Not that we haven't all seen that before.


:killingme:shutup::whistle:

And a good evening to you too sir...

[mashman]

No, not at all....probably its a realistic take on the state of our society.....one based on selfish self indulgence & the mantra of "if its not about me then Im not intersted",based on free market economics. Look where its got us. Look where its taking us. Towards an overpopulated planet on the verge of collapse, medicated citizens in a fog of excess,controlled by ever more laws for our own supposed good all the while living in fear of their neighbour or coveting their possesions & feeling inadequate because the media & its masters feed them continuously on fear for their jobs & endless crap cop shows.
I do sound cynical.....'cause I see a species that is calmly walking towards an apocalypse of their own making.
Definitely cynical. And I didnt even mention Politicians.:laugh:
I think what scares most anti Greens is that they force people to acknowledge problems that they really dont want to look at.:whocares:

cannoooot spread again

[Nova.]

:killingme:shutup::whistle:

And a good evening to you too sir...

do u feel the burn? :laugh:

[scumdog]

Must be fun belonging to a gang that enforces corrupt and unjust laws then posting about how pissed you got the other night,,,don't bump into the mirror aye.

Ah, so the point you're trying to make in the above comment is:
It's against the law?
Or immoral?
Or hypocritical?
Or something??:scratch:

But it IS fun:2thumbsup:blip:

[Road kill]

Ah, so the point you're trying to make in the above comment is:
It's against the law?
Or immoral?
Or hypocritical?
Or something??:scratch:

But it IS fun:2thumbsup:blip:

Pretty much but it's a new day now and I'm off to talk to the boss about my next drug test shortly so I might have a different version by this after noon.

Keep pushing those buttons huh:corn:

[Usarka]

I'm glad it's banned. I was smoking some of this synthetic shit about 9 months ago. I quit after I woke up one night lying on a zebra crossing with my pants down and an alsation licking peanut butter off my ballsack. Cops took me to the station and the facists took turns laughing at me all night and asking if I wanted some "K 9 Jelly". Cunts.

[scumdog]

I'm glad it's banned. I was smoking some of this synthetic shit about 9 months ago. I quit after I woke up one night lying on a zebra crossing with my pants down and an alsation licking peanut butter off my ballsack. Cops took me to the station and the facists took turns laughing at me all night and asking if I wanted some "K 9 Jelly". Cunts.

So YOU were that guy???:rofl::shutup:

[Brian d marge]

haha, the japs smoke weed?
Oh yes , and there are shops set up to supply
Mind you , you really don't want to be caught ....its not a 20 dollar fine trust me

Stephen

[puddytat]

The Doco "High Times" is on 3 at 9:30...

[Berries]

That's munchies time.

[puddytat]

:laugh: yeah same here....wots your favourite? Im partial to Weetbix".

[Road kill]

:laugh: yeah same here....wots your favourite? Im partial to Weetbix".

Ice cream an black jelly beans.

[scissorhands]

I've quit bread and beer:no:

[Usarka]

I've quit bread and beer:no:

Vodka and hummus?

[puddytat]

well, time to find my Tin....
out of milk for the weetbix:shit: maybe banana with a bit of sugar?:yes:

[scumdog]

Criminy, you hooter-heads must be as fat as fuck with all that munchin':shit:

[Usarka]

Criminy, you hooter-heads must be as fat as fuck with all that munchin':shit:

Nah, munchie food doesn't put on weight. How many fat druggies have you seen?

[Brian d marge]

Criminy, you hooter-heads must be as fat as fuck with all that munchin':shit:
depends on what ur munchin when stoned , me I love red snapper

Cant say Ive put on wieght , may have given me grey hair !

stephen

[puddytat]

did anyone see me? I was playing ping pong

I will watch it on t.v3+1....will see how your hand/eye co-ordination is:shifty:

[puddytat]

did anyone see me? I was playing ping pong

BUSTED!!:laugh:

[Road kill]

The guy from Green Cross is dead now.

Those people from the daktory shit on him when they got busted "which resulted in the cops leaning on the guy really badly,midnight bail condition check ups,supprise invasions of his home at dinner time,scaring his kids, threats toward his family,all the usual Gov't sponsered stand over shit because he was making some real inroads towards having medical use accepted without carrying on like the usual spaced out pot head.

Ended up topping himself.

Thanks for nothing daktory,,,with mates like you lot nobody needs enemies.

[gammaguy]

The guy from Green Cross is dead now.

Those people from the daktory shit on him when they got busted "which resulted in the cops leaning on the guy really badly,midnight bail condition check ups,supprise invasions of his home at dinner time,scaring his kids, threats toward his family,all the usual Gov't sponsered stand over shit because he was making some real inroads towards having medical use accepted without carrying on like the usual spaced out pot head.

Ended up topping himself.

Thanks for nothing daktory,,,with mates like you lot nobody needs enemies.


when you lie down with dogs,you get up with fleas

[Road kill]

when you lie down with dogs,you get up with fleas

Fuck,,,think that up all by yourself did you:rolleyes:

Actually he had nothing to do with the daktory or those types of people "he was going about things the right way and trying to both have the law changed while suppling weed in a very controlled manner to people that had legit medical issues that weed is well proven to help with without the side effects of legal pain killers.

Certainly he was walking a very fine line but people that are willing to stand up and challenge what so many see as being unjust laws will always walk that line.

The police were well aware of what the guy was doing but they were turning a blind eye due to the manner he was going about it.

Until those dogs from the daktory "Very apt description btw" shit on him in an effort to save their own grubby skins.

After that the cops could no longer turn the blind eye and reacted with the overkill their so well known for and now a good man is dead.

Frankly I cringe every time I see those obnoxious fools protesting the current laws on TV while being stoned off their tits,,,,it's like having a bunch of rolling drunks publicly rooting for alcohol reform and to the many fence sitters looking on it paints a pretty ugly picture.

One thing I know for sure is that the daktory types do not and will never represent me because I don't need mates like them.

So thanks for the input "for all it was worth.

[Banditbandit]

Nah, munchie food doesn't put on weight. How many fat druggies have you seen?

This one ????



http://images.paraorkut.com/img/artists/images/e/elvis_presley-1640.jpg

[puddytat]

Here's another.. John Belushi

274202

[gammaguy]

Fuck,,,think that up all by yourself did you:rolleyes:

Actually he had nothing to do with the daktory or those types of people "he was going about things the right way and trying to both have the law changed while suppling weed in a very controlled manner to people that had legit medical issues that weed is well proven to help with without the side effects of legal pain killers.

Certainly he was walking a very fine line but people that are willing to stand up and challenge what so many see as being unjust laws will always walk that line.

The police were well aware of what the guy was doing but they were turning a blind eye due to the manner he was going about it.

Until those dogs from the daktory "Very apt description btw" shit on him in an effort to save their own grubby skins.

After that the cops could no longer turn the blind eye and reacted with the overkill their so well known for and now a good man is dead.

Frankly I cringe every time I see those obnoxious fools protesting the current laws on TV while being stoned off their tits,,,,it's like having a bunch of rolling drunks publicly rooting for alcohol reform and to the many fence sitters looking on it paints a pretty ugly picture.

One thing I know for sure is that the daktory types do not and will never represent me because I don't need mates like them.

So thanks for the input "for all it was worth.


clearly it was worth a few lines from you

anyone who gets involved with drugs needs to be prepared for the consequences of that choice

[Usarka]

According to the stats if you have kids or grandkids it is extremely likely they will use drugs at some stage.

I hope they're ready for the consequences!

[Banditbandit]

http://cdn.motinetwork.net/motifake.com/image/demotivational-poster/0910/hey-mario-shrooms-drugs-hey-demotivational-poster-1254891549.gif

[saxet]

clearly it was worth a few lines from you

anyone who gets involved with drugs needs to be prepared for the consequences of that choice

I take it you don't drink alcohol, or coffee etc.

[Bassmatt]

I take it you don't drink alcohol, or coffee etc.

and of course some of the most addictive and deadliest - pharmaceuticals.

[mashman]

and of course some of the most addictive and deadliest - pharmaceuticals.

Are they the same things as prescription DRUGS the Dr gives you?

[Bassmatt]

Are they the same things as prescription DRUGS the Dr gives you?

Yes. From wikipedia - "The pharmaceutical industry develops, produces, and markets drugs or pharmaceuticals licensed for use as medications"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pharmaceutical_industry

[mashman]

Yes. From wikipedia - "The pharmaceutical industry develops, produces, and markets drugs or pharmaceuticals licensed for use as medications"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pharmaceutical_industry

Fuck me. I'm so far behind the times. Here's me thinking that prescription drugs would be fine as they've passed all sorts of trials to get to the market. I guess "How addictive is the subject on a scale of 1 - 10" isn't one of the criteria.

[Bassmatt]

Fuck me. I'm so far behind the times. Here's me thinking that prescription drugs would be fine as they've passed all sorts of trials to get to the market. I guess "How addictive is the subject on a scale of 1 - 10" isn't one of the criteria.

Prescription painkillers cause more deaths in the US than heroin and cocaine combined, and more people in the US are "dependent" (read addicted ) on painkillers than heroin, cocaine, sedatives and stimulants combined.
http://www.businessinsider.com/painkillers-kill-more-americans-than-heroin-and-cocaine-2012-9

[Road kill]

clearly it was worth a few lines from you

anyone who gets involved with drugs needs to be prepared for the consequences of that choice

So when are you going to post something of your own.

This is just a repeat of your last effort.

Quote the company line and avoid any effort of your own.

Your starting to sound like a stoner,,,you wann'a watch that shit.

[SMOKEU]

Your starting to sound like a stoner.

"You're", not "Your". :nono:

[mashman]

Prescription painkillers cause more deaths in the US than heroin and cocaine combined, and more people in the US are "dependent" (read addicted ) on painkillers than heroin, cocaine, sedatives and stimulants combined.
http://www.businessinsider.com/painkillers-kill-more-americans-than-heroin-and-cocaine-2012-9

That can't be possible. I mean prescription drugs help people. You must be trolling. No one in their right mind would allow such a thing to take place.

[Road kill]

"You're", not "Your". :nono:

Sorry I was sto,,,,,nah we won't go there huh.:laugh:

[allycatz]

Prescription painkillers cause more deaths in the US than heroin and cocaine combined, and more people in the US are "dependent" (read addicted ) on painkillers than heroin, cocaine, sedatives and stimulants combined.
http://www.businessinsider.com/painkillers-kill-more-americans-than-heroin-and-cocaine-2012-9

Actually the drug that causes the most overdoses is NZ is plain old paracetamol. Most people don't realise the toxicity to the liver when over dosed/ over used more than the recommended dosage. It's particularly bad in old folks who forget the dosages thy\ey have taken then some well meaning relative comes along and gives them some more

[SS90]

Prescription painkillers cause more deaths in the US than heroin and cocaine combined, and more people in the US are "dependent" (read addicted ) on painkillers than heroin, cocaine, sedatives and stimulants combined.
http://www.businessinsider.com/painkillers-kill-more-americans-than-heroin-and-cocaine-2012-9

This is true, however, if Cocaine, Heroin,Meth etc where legal (and taxed), then I can unreservedly say that Cocaine, Heroin and Meth would overtake Prescription drugs as the number one killer.

[Banditbandit]

This is true, however, if Cocaine, Heroin,Meth etc where legal (and taxed), then I can unreservedly say that Cocaine, Heroin and Meth would overtake Prescription drugs as the number one killer.

Oh?? And how can you say that?

Meth is certainly easier to get in New Zealand than prescription drugs - I've not had any contact with Cocaine or Heroin for many many years so I have no idea how easy it is to get here ... but you certainly do not need a doctor's prescription to get it ... just good contacts ... and still prescription drugs are the most abused substances

I still smoke a little weed .. but I have family members whose pharmocopia (in their handbags) just shocks me ... painkillers, anti-depressents, ... and some doctors write out prescriptions for more for them on just a phone call .. no face-to-face contact at all .. to me those doctors are just legitimaized drug dealers ...

[Bassmatt]

This is true, however, if Cocaine, Heroin,Meth etc where legal (and taxed), then I can unreservedly say that Cocaine, Heroin and Meth would overtake Prescription drugs as the number one killer.

The point is that the current narrative is, Legal drugs=safe , Illegal drugs=dangerous, when the reality is not as black and white as tptb would have us believe.

You are pedalling a fallacy that anti drug campaingers love to use. Oooh if its made legal everyone will use it.
Are you or anyone you know likely to take up a heroin or meth habit simply because it is made legal? Access to drugs is not the driving force as to why people dont take them.
Also as a legal product users would be more likely to present at medical facilities when things went wrong. I doubt the numbers would change much at all.

[jonbuoy]

Doctors dont usually prescribe painkillers or other drugs for "fun" or recreation, so comparing side effects of other drugs is a bit pointless. My experience of prescription painkillers is that while your in serious pain and take them you dont get any "high" just a reduced sensation of pain, problem is when you keep taking or keep getting given them when your pain levels have dropped. You know its time to stop taking them when you look forward to the next dose.....

[Banditbandit]

I think the doctors just prescribe the fucking pharmecopia my family carries because it si the easiest option - gets the complainers out of the surgery and shuts them up ...

I've also seen drug addicts prescibed anti-depressants by doctors .. dumb dumb dumb .. these people are addicts and the doctors just give them more drugs !!!! WTF is that ???


You know its time to stop taking them when you look forward to the next dose.....

For addicts that point is too late - that's the point you know you're addicted ...

[imdying]

This is true, however, if Cocaine, Heroin,Meth etc where legal (and taxed), then I can unreservedly say that Cocaine, Heroin and Meth would overtake Prescription drugs as the number one killer.So you want me to believe that majority, probably just like you, are going to pick up a meth habit just because it's been made legal? Really? You think a large portion of society are going to go YESSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!! DRUGSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!! just because it's been legalised?

Really? :confused: This is what you believe? :laugh:

[mashman]

This is true, however, if Cocaine, Heroin,Meth etc where legal (and taxed), then I can unreservedly say that Cocaine, Heroin and Meth would overtake Prescription drugs as the number one killer.

hee hee hee hee... the results from Portugal disprove your assumption.

[scissorhands]

If they upped the codeine to 18% in painkillers, people wouldnt take so many because they would be stronger
I've taken 2-3 every 4 hours with 7% codeine and had only minor pain relief of a pulled muscle in my back
Beer actually worked a treat:bleh: for a torn back muscle, the hop plant relaxes muscles

[Road kill]

Doctors dont usually prescribe painkillers or other drugs for "fun" or recreation, so comparing side effects of other drugs is a bit pointless. My experience of prescription painkillers is that while your in serious pain and take them you dont get any "high" just a reduced sensation of pain, problem is when you keep taking or keep getting given them when your pain levels have dropped. You know its time to stop taking them when you look forward to the next dose.....

And that's one of the myths about drug use to help with pain relief.

I don't smoke weed to get "high" as you say "I smoke it to prevent the pain and spasms from the nerve damage in my legs and lower back.

I use legal pain killers as little as I can because both the types I've been prescribed are known killers of long term users "one which I am.

Weed doesn't cause those issues and the residual effect I smoke it for lasts around 48 hours where as the prescribed stuff not only doesn't do much at all "it's limited effect only lasts about 4-5 hours.

If I was just just into getting high I would be smoking the stuff a hell of a lot more than the once a week single cone that I have been smoking for the last few years.

Medical use and recreational use are two completely different things but people like our Gov't "choose" to ignore that.

There is a cannabis extract that can be prescribed for pain relief and it doesn't have the "high" of real cannabis.

Which is great if you could find a quack that actually would prescribe it and you could then afford the $700 odd that a one month supply currently costs.

Against the $20 a month I have to pay for the real thing it's really a non starter.

[saxet]

Doctors dont usually prescribe painkillers or other drugs for "fun" or recreation, so comparing side effects of other drugs is a bit pointless. My experience of prescription painkillers is that while your in serious pain and take them you dont get any "high" just a reduced sensation of pain, problem is when you keep taking or keep getting given them when your pain levels have dropped. You know its time to stop taking them when you look forward to the next dose.....

In my experience morphine most definitely gives you a high, even when in pain.
Tamadrol also gives a high but the dizziness, nausea and disorientation were so bad I preferred the pain.

[Shadows]

And that's one of the myths about drug use to help with pain relief.

I don't smoke weed to get "high" as you say "I smoke it to prevent the pain and spasms from the nerve damage in my legs and lower back.

I use legal pain killers as little as I can because both the types I've been prescribed are known killers of long term users "one which I am.

Weed doesn't cause those issues and the residual effect I smoke it for lasts around 48 hours where as the prescribed stuff not only doesn't do much at all "it's limited effect only lasts about 4-5 hours.

If I was just just into getting high I would be smoking the stuff a hell of a lot more than the once a week single cone that I have been smoking for the last few years.

Medical use and recreational use are two completely different things but people like our Gov't "choose" to ignore that.

There is a cannabis extract that can be prescribed for pain relief and it doesn't have the "high" of real cannabis.

Which is great if you could find a quack that actually would prescribe it and you could then afford the $700 odd that a one month supply currently costs.

Against the $20 a month I have to pay for the real thing it's really a non starter.


And that's one of the myths about drug use to help with pain relief.

I don't smoke weed to get "high" as you say "I smoke it to prevent the pain and spasms from the nerve damage in my legs and lower back.

I use legal pain killers as little as I can because both the types I've been prescribed are known killers of long term users "one which I am.

Weed doesn't cause those issues and the residual effect I smoke it for lasts around 48 hours where as the prescribed stuff not only doesn't do much at all "it's limited effect only lasts about 4-5 hours.

If I was really just into getting high I would be smoking the stuff a hell of a lot more than the once a week cone that I have been smoking for the last few years.

Medical use and recreational use are two completely different things but people like our Gov't "choose" to ignore that.

There is a cannabis extract that can be prescribed for pain relief and it doesn't have the "high" of real cannabis.

Which is great if you could find a quack that actually would prescribe it and you could then afford the $700 odd that a one month supply currently costs.

Against the $20 a month I have to pay for the real thing it's really a non starter.

Holy shit. It really does fuck up short term memory.

[Banditbandit]

Holy shit. It really does fuck up short term memory.

What the fuck are you talkin' about ???

[Bassmatt]

In my experience morphine most definitely gives you a high, even when in pain.


Fuck yeah, I'm always a happy boy when the doc prescribes me morphine for something. :woohoo:

[Bassmatt]

Holy shit. It really does fuck up short term memory.

*Quotes two longish posts, and makes a disparaging comment about short term memory with 10 words. :facepalm:

[Road kill]

*Quotes two longish posts, and makes a disparaging comment about short term memory with 10 words. :facepalm:

Well I made a double post because I was trying to correct my shite written english skills and doubled up somehow.

Of course somebody was going to jump on that to use as a bit of a joke.:laugh:

Anyway back to the subject at hand.

[mashman]

Release the Krakenotherdrugs.

[Road kill]

In my experience morphine most definitely gives you a high, even when in pain.
Tamadrol also gives a high but the dizziness, nausea and disorientation were so bad I preferred the pain.

Must effect different people in different ways.

I used Morphine phosphate for about a month directly after my accident and found that it didn't so much as stop the pain as it made me just not care about it or anything else when it comes to that.

In fact how you found Tramadol is pretty much how the Morphine effected me "while tramadol did absolutely nothing.

It's a hard thing to describe I guess,but I certainly didn't enjoy anything about the stuff "plus the 4-5 days after I stopped using it is something I never wish to repeat.

[SMOKEU]

Weed doesn't cause those issues and the residual effect I smoke it for lasts around 48 hours where as the prescribed stuff not only doesn't do much at all "it's limited effect only lasts about 4-5 hours.



I don't know what shit you've been smoking, but it's not buds if the effects last 2 days. Any more than around 6 hours I find implausible.

[scissorhands]

I don't know what shit you've been smoking, but it's not buds if the effects last 2 days. Any more than around 6 hours I find implausible.

Have you done an online aspergers test, your far too concise, not to be somewhere on the autistic spectrum.

Cannabis has many uses, thats an absolute certainty, but I imagine dosing 2-3 times a day is common. Or even hourly with tongue spray bottles of tincture

[Usarka]

Stick morphine up your arse.

[imdying]

Stick morphine up your arse.Makes the high last longer? :confused:

[Road kill]

I don't know what shit you've been smoking, but it's not buds if the effects last 2 days. Any more than around 6 hours I find implausible.

I'm talking about the residual effect it has in controlling the involuntary spasms and pain from nerve damage.

As I already said,,one cone on friday night and I get a weekend of not having to put up with all that shit.

I don't smoke the stuff to get stoned and if I could afford the extract "Canex" I'd use that instead.

BTW it was due to that "residual" effect that I failed that resent drug test.

The test was 8 days after I'd last had a smoke "so I hope you didn't think I was actually stoned at the time because I may not be the sharpest knife in the draw but I'm not that stupid.

[Usarka]

Makes the high last longer? :confused:

Better bioavailability.

[SMOKEU]

Have you done an online aspergers test, your far too concise, not to be somewhere on the autistic spectrum.



I don't believe in the purported merits of these online tests which are based mainly on conjecture rather than sound medical knowledge.

[Road kill]

I don't believe in the purported merits of these online tests which are based mainly on conjecture rather than sound medical knowledge.

How do you know that ?

Read it online did you ?<_<

[SMOKEU]

How do you know that ?

Read it online did you ?<_<

I'm not going to believe unsubstantiated claims on the subject in question which have been fabricated by persons with no formal medical training.

[Spyke]

In my experience morphine most definitely gives you a high, even when in pain.
Tamadrol also gives a high but the dizziness, nausea and disorientation were so bad I preferred the pain.

How much tramadol did you take? I took 150mg (normal dose) and felt nothing.

[Spyke]

I don't know what shit you've been smoking, but it's not buds if the effects last 2 days. Any more than around 6 hours I find implausible.

The high may last that long but the other effects can last longer, don't you feel a little bit different for the rest of the day?



Apparently the govt is only banning the names of the brands to get the legals off the shelf. So who ever makes the stuff can change the name and sell the same crap again. Put a blanket ban on any mind altering drugs that aren't prescribed and be done with it.

[Scuba_Steve]

Apparently the govt is only banning the names of the brands to get the legals off the shelf. So who ever makes the stuff can change the name and sell the same crap again. Put a blanket ban on any mind altering drugs that aren't prescribed and be done with it.

You like the idea of getting a prescription to have a morning coffee, BBQ beer, or even a pain relieving paracetamol/aspirin

[saxet]

How much tramadol did you take? I took 150mg (normal dose) and felt nothing.

To be honest I don't remember, I was a bit eefd up with a broken back,broken ribs, punctured lungs etc.
Some people seem o.k. on it but some others in my ward also had trouble with it.

Oh yeah, the concussion probably did'nt help either.

[saxet]

Must effect different people in different ways.

I used Morphine phosphate for about a month directly after my accident and found that it didn't so much as stop the pain as it made me just not care about it or anything else when it comes to that.

In fact how you found Tramadol is pretty much how the Morphine effected me "while tramadol did absolutely nothing.

It's a hard thing to describe I guess,but I certainly didn't enjoy anything about the stuff "plus the 4-5 days after I stopped using it is something I never wish to repeat.

Yeah coming of it was'nt much fun at all.I don't know if it was the morphine or tramadol but I did'nt sleep for about a week and a half.

[SMOKEU]

The high may last that long but the other effects can last longer, don't you feel a little bit different for the rest of the day?


Yes, that is true especially with larger doses. However, after a good sleep overnight I feel fresh in the morning with no discernible after effects.

[scissorhands]

I don't believe in the purported merits of these online tests which are based mainly on conjecture rather than sound medical knowledge.

I reckon you would score high. They are the same tests doctors use. Most doctors get less than 1 days training on ASD's or autism spectrum disorders..... I have had maybe 1000hrs training/reading/discussion/meeting other aspergians and ADHDers....

short pointy finger?

[Road kill]

Yes, that is true especially with larger doses. However, after a good sleep overnight I feel fresh in the morning with no discernible after effects.

An that my friend is exactly why I'm so utterly pissed off about failing a test 8 days after the fact an then being stood down for two weeks while being treated like I was stoned at the time of the test.

Getting stood down or even sacked for driving while actually stoned I can understand,but these cunts are playing social engineers even though they can't measure any level of impairment with their poxy fucking test.

Did I say I'm pissed off ?<_<fuck it.

[Bassmatt]

An that my friend is exactly why I'm so utterly pissed off about failing a test 8 days after the fact an then being stood down for two weeks while being treated like I was stoned at the time of the test.

Getting stood down or even sacked for driving while actually stoned I can understand,but these cunts are playing social engineers even though they can't measure any level of impairment with their poxy fucking test.

Did I say I'm pissed off ?<_<fuck it.

Yep those tests are a load of crap. I'm surprised they haven't been tested in a court yet.

[Road kill]

I reckon you would score high. They are the same tests doctors use. Most doctors get less than 1 days training on ASD's or autism spectrum disorders..... I have had maybe 1000hrs training/reading/discussion/meeting other aspergians and ADHDers....

short pointy finger?

One of my grandsons has resently been diagnosed as autistic.

The kid is 6 years old an can complete a jigsaw puzzle in an hour or so that would take an adult days.

Builds Mecanno cars,boats,helicopters that just blows me away,,but again every nut and screw has to be the same way up or have the slot in the top perfectly alined with the next one.

The only thing he does that really makes you think "something odd going on here" is that he doesn't talk much.

No worries though "next time they come over from Oz for a vist I'm going to get him to reassemble the gearbox on my bike:laugh:

[SMOKEU]

I reckon you would score high. They are the same tests doctors use. Most doctors get less than 1 days training on ASD's or autism spectrum disorders..... I have had maybe 1000hrs training/reading/discussion/meeting other aspergians and ADHDers....

short pointy finger?

Are you saying that you suffer from such a medial condition?


An that my friend is exactly why I'm so utterly pissed off about failing a test 8 days after the fact an then being stood down for two weeks while being treated like I was stoned at the time of the test.

Getting stood down or even sacked for driving while actually stoned I can understand,but these cunts are playing social engineers even though they can't measure any level of impairment with their poxy fucking test.

Did I say I'm pissed off ?<_<fuck it.

Tell those cunts to fuck off. No way am I letting some muppet test me for shit that has absolutely nothing to do with work.

[Shadows]

What the fuck are you talkin' about ???

Sorry. I can't remember.


*Quotes two longish posts, and makes a disparaging comment about short term memory with 10 words. :facepalm:

I also forgot to mention unwelcome effects on the sense of humour gland as well, it would seem.

[scissorhands]

Are you saying that you suffer from such a medial condition?

If that is like a medical condition without the c, then probably yes. I dont suffer all the time. I may even suffer less than someone without the medial condition.

jesu7s wept for me suffering, cause he was on the spectrum

[puddytat]

I'm not going to believe unsubstantiated claims on the subject in question which have been fabricated by persons with no formal medical training.

Like yourself?
The reason it only lasts that long for you, is that your a frequent user?
Getting high, & pain relief are two different things au.


Had another thought today.....if the Govt. is going to make these "legal'' highs properly legal with all the testing & shit at a huge cost to the maker, who's going to have that kind of money to do it?
It'll be pharmaceutical companies ,who usually do their own testing.
The same companies who've lobbied tha Govt for years to stop smaller producers from selling natural medicines that have been used forever. Ah the sticky smelly fingers of international law & trade agreements.

[SMOKEU]

The reason it only lasts that long for you, is that your a frequent user?


Not really, just a bit of fun on the weekends.

[Spyke]

You like the idea of getting a prescription to have a morning coffee, BBQ beer, or even a pain relieving paracetamol/aspirin

No I don't like the idea of getting a prescription for those things. but they have been tested to be safe at correct doses. have three beers and your not going to be out of your mind. Have three cones of k2 and say the same thing. party pills are kind of the same, except the side effects are different like stomach cramps, not being able to take a leak, limp dick and throwing up to name a few.

I'm not condoning testing on animals because i can say there's been enough human cases of using legal weeds/using to much and the consequences prove it isn't really safe enough for people to use regularly. why subject an animal to extreme amounts until it dies when it's already on the shelves and been used by heaps of people.

One of my mates used it a few times and now she has a pacemaker. It doesn't only effect the mind.

[Usarka]

No I don't like the idea of getting a prescription for those things. but they have been tested to be safe at correct doses. have three beers and your not going to be out of your mind.

Pharmaceutical grade amphetamines are safe at correct doses too. A dose of these is much "cleaner" than a coffee buzz. So these should be legal too?

[scissorhands]

One of my mates used it a few times and now she has a pacemaker. It doesn't only effect the mind.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10850040

Synthetic cannabis ingredient banned
1:04 PM Monday Nov 26, 2012
Associate Health Minister Peter Dunne has ordered a temporary ban on a synthetic cannabis ingredient, he announced today.
The temporary class drug notice was issued following the identification of a substance known as EAM-2201in two K2 products seized by police.
Legal high K2 has been causing concern in the lower South Island, said Mr Dunne.

Thing is EAM-2201 has been off the shelf for a while anyway. The latest batch of products that are causing harm are still available. This latest banning is ineffective, as current harmful blends are still available. Future blends will possibly be even more harmful.

Its crazy that illegal substances from plants are considerably safer

[Spyke]

Pharmaceutical grade amphetamines are safe at correct doses too. A dose of these is much "cleaner" than a coffee buzz. So these should be legal too?

Well if you were prescribed it by a doctor and you needed it then yeah why not. I'd say it would be pretty hard to be prescribed it (wheres a junkie doctor) though I'm not sure what use it would be good for, maybe for weight loss lol.

Better to get medical grade stuff then the stuff cut with all those other nasty chemicals. I'd be way more happy to do pharmaceutical amphetamines (counting mdma) than crack, speed and fake ecstasy on the streets now. Cause who really wants a dose of (street) crack, ketamine, methadrone, reseach chemicals, chalk etc. I wouldn't know how to compare it to k2 (trippy, out of head feeling, anxious) in terms of the high but its probably better. not sure about long term use though. care to enlighten me on the buzz and side effects of medical grade amphets.

Make weed legal and kill the drug black market pretty quickly. Make it less of a gateway drug, because you don't have to goto the mob/druggies that have the higher up stuff they are trying to push.

Only problem I see with that is the a class users won't be able to fund their habbit with weed. so they will either steal or get a job. What will they choose?

PS been off all illegal drugs (and all party pills and kronic type subs) a year now. Still smoke ciggies like a train and drinking bugger all alcohol because liver levels are above recommended levels (strangely they aren't the levels that show up when drinking to much which i was a couple of months ago).

I had a hard lesson in doing to much and the body said no, so I'm looking at a life of being straight cut. Oh well more time to ride motorbikes with a way clearer head and more money to do it. (I don't drink or do drugs when riding)

[Madness]

It's official, Peter Dunne is an Egg.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/8055484/Public-muzzled-on-party-pills-tests


Dunne, who has headed the Government's crackdown on party pills, initially said animal testing was "unavoidable to prove that products are safe for human beings" and "it is an unpleasant but necessary reality".

But after the story was published, Dunne ruled out the use of LD50 and said no decision to use other testing methods involving animals would be made without a thorough consultation period.

I bet he used to put pins through flies & pull their wings off as a kid.

[mashman]

It's official, Peter Dunne is an Egg.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/8055484/Public-muzzled-on-party-pills-tests



I bet he used to put pins through flies & pull their wings off as a kid.

There aren't many in the funny shaped building that aren't fuckwits. If they're even remotely dangerous, wouldn't you think that they'd just ban them and move on. T'would seem that there probably been a bit of lobbying going in from somewhere. I can hear it now. "It's not fair, our product is safe, what you're doing is illegal, I'm going to tell my dad on you unless you let me prove it by killing dogs.". Fickle wankers.

[Banditbandit]

I reckon you would score high. They are the same tests doctors use. Most doctors get less than 1 days training on ASD's or autism spectrum disorders..... I have had maybe 1000hrs training/reading/discussion/meeting other aspergians and ADHDers....

short pointy finger?

Naaa ... pass ... My wife (who's speciality is Autistic Spectrum Disorders) says I'm definitely Aspergers .. I think fuck it ... who cares .. would it make any difference if I was tested and knew for sure? No !!! Well then .. why bother with the testing .. (And yeah, I realise that reaction can be a typical autistic spectrum person's reaction ...)


One of my grandsons has resently been diagnosed as autistic.

The kid is 6 years old an can complete a jigsaw puzzle in an hour or so that would take an adult days.

Builds Mecanno cars,boats,helicopters that just blows me away,,but again every nut and screw has to be the same way up or have the slot in the top perfectly alined with the next one.

The only thing he does that really makes you think "something odd going on here" is that he doesn't talk much.

No worries though "next time they come over from Oz for a vist I'm going to get him to reassemble the gearbox on my bike:laugh:

One of my nephew's is on the spectrum for sure ... obvious if you meet him ... My sister had him tested .. but refused to share the results with anybody ... because we've all seen what happened to another nephew who was diagnosed Asergers/ADHD early in life - and was the medicated and coddled by my other sister .. He would have been better off not knowing ...

[Banditbandit]

Like yourself?
The reason it only lasts that long for you, is that your a frequent user?


No - other way around - frequent users develop immunity - so the length of time a high lasts will be shorter ... highs last longer for new users and infrequent users ...

[Road kill]

The engineers disease. My dad and granddad were both engineers. I'm more ADHD than aspergian so I might be rough but I'm fast [was]
The best part for me is having a special interest. Currently mine is mineral water and health. I get a real sense of satisfaction in mastering a topic I'm really passionate about. But unlike most aspies, due to my ADHD mix, these interests usually only last a few months, then malaise, till I fall in love with another area of olde school wisdom for the next few months....

That's quite interesting and without going into detail I can certainly relate to that.

[Banditbandit]

The obvious aspergians or those less functioning, may have been born with better functioning ...


Ummm .... I don't want "better functioning" ... I think I function quite well now ... it's all those neurotypicals who do not function as well as I do ...

[Road kill]

Reading the Herald online this morning I see the main Kronic man is currently on bail in Oz after being arrested on drug charges.

Both synthetic weed and coke.

Good job:nya::oi-grr:

[Usarka]

Really interesting and balanced view from Ross Bell (NZ Drug Foundation) on bfm this week.

Worth a listen from either side of the fence.

http://www.95bfm.com/assets/sm/209165/3/legalhighs.mp3

[Conquiztador]

I'm working on a fake alcohol subsitute that will make you drunk and leave you with no hangover next day. The tests are promising. Currently we are trying to determine if it will give a reading at a checkpoint. Our initial tests indicate that the current test devices do not pick it up.

[blue rider]

I'm working on a fake alcohol subsitute that will make you drunk and leave you with no hangover next day. The tests are promising. Currently we are trying to determine if it will give a reading at a checkpoint. Our initial tests indicate that the current test devices do not pick it up.

no hangover.....where is the fun in that?

[scumdog]

I'm working on a fake alcohol subsitute that will make you drunk and leave you with no hangover next day. The tests are promising. Currently we are trying to determine if it will give a reading at a checkpoint. Our initial tests indicate that the current test devices do not pick it up.

Great!

So now instead of a quick breath screening test at the roadside it's back to the station and all the rigmarole that stoners have to undergo...<_<

[Conquiztador]

no hangover.....where is the fun in that?

The fun is that you can do it all over again...:Punk:

[scumdog]

The fun is that you can do it all over again...:Punk:

Ya gonna make a low-alcohol edition??:whistle:

[Conquiztador]

Great!

So now instead of a quick breath screening test at the roadside it's back to the station and all the rigmarole that stoners have to undergo...<_<

Early days (and we tend to get sidetracked re testing. It sort of looses it's importance) but what we have determined is that this substitute can not be detected with current technology.

[puddytat]

Man, you better patent it.....then sell the patent to some corporation 'cause its never going to fly.
The breweries will lobby the Govt,the pharma companies will lobby the Govt, so will the Police...&
Peter Dohnne wont let you.

[Conquiztador]

Ya gonna make a low-alcohol edition??:whistle:

No. Counter productive and would dilute the products impact on the market.

[Conquiztador]

Man, you better patent it.....then sell the patent to some corporation 'cause its never going to fly.
The breweries will lobby the Govt,the pharma companies will lobby the Govt, so will the Police...&
Peter Dohnne wont let you.

I am thinking straight to black market. Sidestepping all the red tape.

[puddytat]

I am thinking straight to black market. Sidestepping all the red tape.

Ahhhh I see, a street stall in Flaxmere.....:niceone:

[Conquiztador]

Ahhhh I see, a street stall in Flaxmere.....:niceone:

More like a tinny house. Exept that there will be no illegal substances sold there. But not Flaxmere. Not enough funds around. More type Remuera.

[blue rider]

More like a tinny house. Exept that there will be no illegal substances sold there. But not Flaxmere. Not enough funds around. More type Remuera.

awesome, more alcaholic bored housewifes......but undedectable, i also think Ellerslie would be a good place, there is cash to be made.:laugh:

[Conquiztador]

awesome, more alcaholic bored housewifes......but undedectable, i also think Ellerslie would be a good place, there is cash to be made.:laugh:

I know... need to do some more testing so my replies might get blurry...

[Madness]

Just wait 'til Brian D'marge finds out about this...

[blue rider]

Just wait 'til Brian D'marge finds out about this...

he'd approve. shurly he wud

[Madness]

I'd be more concerned about him overdosing.

[Usarka]

I think he fell into a cauldron of sake when he was a baby.

[blue rider]

I'd be more concerned about him overdosing.

tru dat. :laugh:

[Conquiztador]

Shush! I can't hear the voices!

[mashman]

I'd be more concerned about him overdosing.

I'd be more afraid that he'd become T-total and use the stuff in his bike instead, coz by the sounds of things he may never want to touch another drop by the time the next 2 weeks have finished :laugh: (tui)

[mashman]

Shush! I can't hear the voices!

Sounds like great stuff... will be interested if it has hallucinogenic properties... mushy tea was always seriously feckin sickly.

[blue rider]

[R RATED][/R RATED]
Sounds like great stuff... will be interested if it has hallucinogenic properties... mushy tea was always seriously feckin sickly.

mashman you are not doing it right.....omlette, french toast etc
http://www.drugs-plaza.com/magic-mushrooms-eating.htm

[mashman]

[R RATED][/R RATED]

mashman you are not doing it right.....omlette, french toast etc
http://www.drugs-plaza.com/magic-mushrooms-eating.htm

ooooo gawd no. Didn't matter what they were in they were yeuch... pinched nose and down the hatch, or just straight eat them beasties n all. However if I am to pass on a definite no no... taken in Lemsip will give you vomit worthy belch repeaters for the following 8 hours. Don't do it kids.

[blue rider]

ooooo gawd no. Didn't matter what they were in they were yeuch... pinched nose and down the hatch, or just straight eat them beasties n all. However if I am to pass on a definite no no... taken in Lemsip will give you vomit worthy belch repeaters for the following 8 hours. Don't do it kids.


oh you poor thing......:laugh: dont use Lemsip

[mashman]

oh you poor thing......:laugh: dont use Lemsip

ha ha ha haaaaaa... self-inflicted. Lesson learned.