Dumb drivers who don't know the road rules

[PrincessBandit]

Last night I went twice through a crossroad intersection here in manure-wa (heading to my destination then back home again) and both times I had people turning (from Maich into Halsey Rd for those who know the area) waiting for me as I sat at a Give Way.

I realise that they were both probably thinking of the give-way-to-everything-on-your-right business, but they seemed oblivious to the fact that it is actually a controlled intersection. I was on the controlled Give Way, leaving them free to turn yet they sat there looking at me as if wondering why I wasn't moving.

Wtf is with people driving big metal machines on our roads who don't even have any understanding of the rules governing something so important as who has right of way? Sure, they well may have thought "better to be safe than sorry, and wait" but if they don't know this, what else are they ignorant about???

[pzkpfw]

We are just monkeys in clothing, and 50% of us are below average intelligence.

[James Deuce]

We are just monkeys in clothing, and 50% of us are below average intelligence.
Heeheehee, he said monkey.

[Oblivion]

heeheehee, he said monkey.

buttscratcher!!!!!!!

[MIXONE]

And don't get me started on indicating at roundabouts...

[PrincessBandit]

And don't get me started on indicating at roundabouts...

Yeah, I know some people who believe indimacating is on a "need-to-know" basis...

As for this bloody dumb ruckus of roundabout indicating, I ain't gonna do it! (my indicator stalk might wear out :facepalm:)

[Sure, I can understand left and right turns, but if you're going straight ahead through the roundabout? ]

[JimO]

what really gets me is the people turning on to a 2 lane one way road, you turn into the closest lane, you dont sit and give way to the other guy because he has his own lane to turn into

[awayatc]

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As for this bloody dumb ruckus of roundabout indicating, I ain't gonna do it! (my indicator stalk might wear out :facepalm:)

[Sure, I can understand left and right turns, but if you're going straight ahead through the roundabout? ]

And your point is........?

You understand but can't be bothered?

[nosebleed]

The problem is personified by the latest ad campaign where the son is being taught to drive by his dad.
The point they're making is that although the learner achieves the entry point to driving the fathers responsibility doesn't stop.

The problem of course, is that it's time for this hand-me-down style of driver "education" to stop.

Bad habits from drivers such as those mentioned here are being inherited by the next generation with ignorant acceptance.

It's time for NZ to get real about driver education and seriously start to adopt the stricter systems already practised in Europe and Japan.

The teaching style that applied to most of us when we learnt is no longer relevant

[steve_t]

what really gets me is the people turning on to a 2 lane one way road, you turn into the closest lane, you dont sit and give way to the other guy because he has his own lane to turn into

Actually, I had a co-worker get ticketed by a cop for that exact thing. He turned left into the lane but the person coming from the other direction turning right wanted to be in the left lane to get into a driveway. The cop saw it as a simple Left turning driver not giving way to a right turning driver. Guess that's the law

[FJRider]

We are just monkeys in clothing, and 50% of us are below average intelligence.

Speak for yourself ... oop's you are ... :innocent:

And the OTHER 50% of US ... are (well ABOVE) average... :woohoo:

Monkey see ... monkey do ... :blink:

[James Deuce]

Actually, I had a co-worker get ticketed by a cop for that exact thing. He turned left into the lane but the person coming from the other direction turning right wanted to be in the left lane to get into a driveway. The cop saw it as a simple Left turning driver not giving way to a right turning driver. Guess that's the law

No, the cop's a moron and your mate should have challenged that ruling.

[steve_t]

No, the cop's a moron and your mate should have challenged that ruling.

I think he yelled at the cop on the roadside for a while but I dunno if he ended up challenging it properly. So if you're turning right into a two laned road and need to get into a driveway on the left that's about 8m from the intersection, what do you do? Where's SD or Rastus?

[Scuba_Steve]

Actually, I had a co-worker get ticketed by a cop for that exact thing. He turned left into the lane but the person coming from the other direction turning right wanted to be in the left lane to get into a driveway. The cop saw it as a simple Left turning driver not giving way to a right turning driver. Guess that's the law

the PIGs' a moron (& wrong)... but hey thats not really news 2 anyone here

[Scuba_Steve]

I think he yelled at the cop on the roadside for a while but I dunno if he ended up challenging it properly. So if you're turning right into a two laned road and need to get into a driveway on the left that's about 8m from the intersection, what do you do? Where's SD or Rastus?

you have to follow standard lane change give way rules after turning into the lane closest to you just like the law says

[BMWST?]

Actually, I had a co-worker get ticketed by a cop for that exact thing. He turned left into the lane but the person coming from the other direction turning right wanted to be in the left lane to get into a driveway. The cop saw it as a simple Left turning driver not giving way to a right turning driver. Guess that's the law

its not..... you must turn into the lane on your side of the road.If you dont you are changing lanes within an intersection which is verboten

[steve_t]

As usual, the KB crew is correct. I've just been shown the relevant pages on a NZTA document :niceone:

[Virago]

...Wtf is with people driving big metal machines on our roads who don't even have any understanding of the rules governing something so important as who has right of way? Sure, they well may have thought "better to be safe than sorry, and wait" but if they don't know this, what else are they ignorant about???


...As for this bloody dumb ruckus of roundabout indicating, I ain't gonna do it! (my indicator stalk might wear out :facepalm:)

Bwahahahahaha...! :shutup:

[Berries]

what really gets me is the people turning on to a 2 lane one way road, you turn into the closest lane, you dont sit and give way to the other guy because he has his own lane to turn into

50% of us are below average intelligence.
83.36% of Dunedin drivers are below average.

[Spearfish]

How do you do a right turn buy hand signals?

[Virago]

How do you do a right turn buy hand signals?

They're free - you don't need to buy them.

[Spearfish]

They're free - you don't need to buy them.

You spotted the deliberate mistook:whistle:

how do you do indicate the intention to turn right using hand signals?

[pzkpfw]

[Sure, I can understand left and right turns, but if you're going straight ahead through the roundabout? ]

Imagine yourself going round and round a roundabout. ALL of the exits are to your left. (Perhaps imagine cutting the road, and straightening the roundabout). It makes perfect sense to indicate LEFT before you exit the roundabout. (This also applies when you've initially indicated RIGHT on entry, to go, um, right).

The reason it's useful, is it lets the next driver along - who may not have seen you enter the roundabout - know that you intend to exit.

I find it also helps make sure the "right turning" people turn off their right indicator quickly enough, so you know they are not continuing 'round.

Why is this so hard?

[St_Gabriel]

You spotted the deliberate mistook:whistle:

how do you do indicate the intention to turn right using hand signals?


Thats easy, you stick your left foot above your right shoulder and wriggle only the big and little toes.

[pzkpfw]

Thats easy, you stick your left foot above your right shoulder and wriggle only the big and little toes.

I only do that in bed.

[Berries]

Imagine yourself going round and round a roundabout.
People who indicate right when entering a roundabout to go straight ahead should be shot.


How do you do a right turn buy hand signals?
If you don't know that how are you not going to rear end someone who is wanting to turn right ahead of you??? Fuck. People like you shouldn't be allowed on the roads. You put your left hand on the top of the helmet, palm upwards, and then pull your right hand in to just above your hip.



Then sing "I'm a little teapot....."

[Spearfish]

Thats easy, you stick your left foot above your right shoulder and wriggle only the big and little toes.





If you don't know that how are you not going to rear end someone who is wanting to turn right ahead of you??? Fuck. People like you shouldn't be allowed on the roads. You put your left hand on the top of the helmet, palm upwards, and then pull your right hand in to just above your hip.

Then sing "I'm a little teapot....."

:laugh: Then any bikes following don't know what the hell your signalling -- is there a popo, surface hazard, speed up, slow down, go past, Is he lost don't follow him, He needs to find a bog real quick, He woke up next to my wife this morning feeling rather satisfied, he meant to tell me but...what!?
Could lead to some serious communication error

[pzkpfw]

People who indicate right when entering a roundabout to go straight ahead should be shot.

That is correct.

[Usarka]

As usual, the KB crew is correct. I've just been shown the relevant pages on a NZTA document :niceone:

There was something on the news a while ago where the cops made a show of ticketing people turning right into the left hand lane.

The road rules aren't that hard. If the cops can't understand them then it's no wonder people think they are twats.

[Berries]

Could lead to some serious communication error
There's a load of shit like this site around - hand signals. (http://www.bestbeginnermotorcycles.com/motorcycle-hand-signals) But if most people don't know what the hand signals mean what is the point of using them? That's why Dr Indy Cator was knighted for his invention.

[oneofsix]

There's a load of shit like this site around - hand signals. (http://www.bestbeginnermotorcycles.com/motorcycle-hand-signals) But if most people don't know what the hand signals mean what is the point of using them? That's why Dr Indy Cator was knighted for his invention.

If he was knighted he would be Sir Dr Indy Cator :yes: actually I don't believe he was a Dr but an engineer so that should have been Sir Indy Cator

[Swoop]

An epic thread in the making... Nobody has invoked the Godwin law yet and the normal KB confusion about "loose" Vs "lose" has not happend.

What's the place coming to?

[yungatart]

An epic thread in the making... Nobody has invoked the Godwin law yet and the normal KB confusion about "loose" Vs "lose" has not happend.

What's the place coming to?

They're still figuring out their theres...

[oneofsix]

An epic thread in the making... Nobody has invoked the Godwin law yet and the normal KB confusion about "loose" Vs "lose" has not happend.

What's the place coming to?

umm does your avatar invoke Godwin's law, do you feel constrained from posting until someone else invokes it because of your avatar, is this your concern?
We could gas those going straight thru round a bouts that indicate on entry instead of shooting them if that would make you feel better

[James Deuce]

An epic thread in the making... Nobody has invoked the Godwin law yet and the normal KB confusion about "loose" Vs "lose" has not happend.

What's the place coming to?

Stop being such a petty little Hitler. Oops.

[Scuba_Steve]

Imagine yourself going round and round a roundabout. ALL of the exits are to your left. (Perhaps imagine cutting the road, and straightening the roundabout). It makes perfect sense to indicate LEFT before you exit the roundabout. (This also applies when you've initially indicated RIGHT on entry, to go, um, right).

It makes no sense. left for left, right for right, nothing for straight it's very simple & it's worked well for fucking decades



The reason it's useful, is it lets the next driver along - who may not have seen you enter the roundabout - know that you intend to exit.


1. most the time you'd be struggling to see the left indicator making it pointless
2. trying to work out just where people are going with their indication is worse than ever i.e. indicating right when traveling straight
3. on small roundabouts it forces you to break the law, & on bigger ones would cause more confusion if the law was followed



I find it also helps make sure the "right turning" people turn off their right indicator quickly enough, so you know they are not continuing 'round.

Why is this so hard?

not hard, just idiotic! sometimes on bigger roundabouts a courtesy indication is acceptable but it should NEVER have been written into law.

[pzkpfw]

So what's dumber? Drivers who don't know the road rules, or drivers who decide they don't like the rules so don't follow them?

(Disclaimer: I know the speed limit is 100 km/h, yet... (but I never said I wasn't one of the dumb ones.))

[pzkpfw]

It makes no sense. left for left, right for right, nothing for straight it's very simple & it's worked well for fucking decades

Oh rubbish. That's just the old "good enough for my Grandfather" argument. And the rules for roundabouts have been in place for decades.


1. most the time you'd be struggling to see the left indicator making it pointless

Rubbish. I generally always see it.


2. trying to work out just where people are going with their indication is worse than ever i.e. indicating right when traveling straight

So your argument to not follow the law is because some people don't follow the law?


3. on small roundabouts it forces you to break the law,...

Rubbish. It's taken into account in the law.


... & on bigger ones would cause more confusion if the law was followed

Rubbish. It's LESS confusing on the big roundabouts. That's when you are more likely to have not seen the other car enter, so it's even more useful to know they plan to exit before they get to you.

(edit: in fact, I'm so stunned by this comment of yours I have to wonder if you actually know the rules for indicating at roundabouts.)


not hard, just idiotic! sometimes on bigger roundabouts a courtesy indication is acceptable but it should NEVER have been written into law.

If a curtesy indication is useful, why not make it law? Leaving it up to the drivers to decide when and when not is worst of all. Just always indicate, and always indicate "properly". Simple.

[oneofsix]

So what's dumber? Drivers who don't know the road rules, or drivers who decide they don't like the rules so don't follow them?

(Disclaimer: I know the speed limit is 100 km/h, yet... (but I never said I wasn't one of the dumb ones.))

the ones that don't know them.. By implication those that don't like them and therefore disobey at least have the knowledge and are aware of what they are doing

[Ocean1]

There's a load of shit like this site around -

That right turning signal will get you killed, not only is it actually the "I'm stopping" signal but any variation on it will be seen as the same thing. The dude up your arse is thinking: “cool, he’s fucking off to the side of the road, I can blast past the jerk”.

Do what you like, in extremis I've stuck my right arm straight out.

[Scuba_Steve]

Oh rubbish. That's just the old "good enough for my Grandfather" argument. And the rules for roundabouts have been in place for decades.


No thats the old it's logical & it works argument and this new retarded roundabout rule is only just breaching the decade mark the old superior rule was in for decades longer & it worked well.



Rubbish. I generally always see it.

On the big ones???



So your argument to not follow the law is because some people don't follow the law?

No my argument is not to follow the law cause it's retarded doesn't work & forces you to be illegal, so if I'm going to be illegal I'll do it logically



Rubbish. It's taken into account in the law.

Obviously your not well versed in the law



Rubbish. It's LESS confusing on the big roundabouts. That's when you are more likely to have not seen the other car enter, so it's even more useful to know they plan to exit before they get to you.

I did say if the law was followed!



(edit: in fact, I'm so stunned by this comment of yours I have to wonder if you actually know the rules for indicating at roundabouts.)

Yes I know the law but I also know the road well & what works. I also know forcing people to indicate doesn't make them any better drivers but hey you continue to wear those rose tinted glasses of yours



If a curtesy indication is useful, why not make it law? Leaving it up to the drivers to decide when and when not is worst of all. Just always indicate, and always indicate "properly". Simple.
You use the word "properly" but neglect to see that the roundabout rule makes indicating "properly" impossible, confusing or illegal. Curtesy things should NOT be made law especially in situations like this

[Ocean1]

Oh, the roundabout thing. I do it like the nice policeman says. But I think indicating for africa is less than very good because it creates the expectation that a) people will always indicate, and b) they'll always go where they indicate.

At least in the good ol' days you knew that you trusted indicaters at your infinate peril, you watched for other clues as well, and even then you didn't put yourself in harms way.

[Scuba_Steve]

At least in the good ol' days you knew that you trusted indicaters at your infinate peril, you watched for other clues as well, and even then you didn't put yourself in harms way.

well hey thats just it I read the people NOT their cars & "when in doubt go go out"

[racefactory]

The worst widespread issue is the amount of fuckwits who indicate right when going straight over roundabouts, I can not believe the amount of clueless who do this.

[Banditbandit]

Last night I went twice through a crossroad intersection here in manure-wa (heading to my destination then back home again) and both times I had people turning (from Maich into Halsey Rd for those who know the area) waiting for me as I sat at a Give Way.

I realise that they were both probably thinking of the give-way-to-everything-on-your-right business, but they seemed oblivious to the fact that it is actually a controlled intersection. I was on the controlled Give Way, leaving them free to turn yet they sat there looking at me as if wondering why I wasn't moving.

Wtf is with people driving big metal machines on our roads who don't even have any understanding of the rules governing something so important as who has right of way? Sure, they well may have thought "better to be safe than sorry, and wait" but if they don't know this, what else are they ignorant about???

I'd rather they sat there like that than went when they are not supposed to .. it's the safer way to not understand the road rules ..

[sinfull]

That is correct.


The worst widespread issue is the amount of fuckwits who indicate right when going straight over roundabouts, I can not believe the amount of clueless who do this.
But it's LAW ! And i don't break the law ! Stupid stupid laws, it works on the large R/abouts as has been said, but they are few and far between around here !
But i guess it does make me hesitate apon entering the R/about, if the vehical entering from the other side has his/her right indicator on . Envokes a little internal road rage when he/she then goes straight ahead but better that than being clobbered aye
What really grates me is as P/B originally posted, Stupid, stupid drivers who don't know the rules or engagement (when i can't just shoot past the idiots)!

[Spearfish]

I found this-- http://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/roadcode/about-driving/giving-way-at-roundabouts.html

and this:blink: http://www.hawkesbaytoday.co.nz/local/news/getting-it-straight-at-napier-roundabouts/3670296/

but what is the universal bike signal for a right turn?

Right had straight out, left hand crossed chest to right hands normal throttle position, tweak the throttle, complete turn, return hands to correct positions, wave apologies the Princessbandit ....perhaps I should just get bigger fuses:facepalm:

[pzkpfw]

Obviously [you're] not well versed in the law

Prove it and I'll give $50 to the charity of your choice.

[Berries]

But it's LAW ! And i don't break the law ! Stupid stupid laws, it works on the large R/abouts as has been said, but they are few and far between around here !

Road User Rule

A driver entering a roundabout—

(a) who intends to leave at the first exit after entering the roundabout, must signal a left turn before entering:

(b) who intends to leave more than half-way around the roundabout, must signal a right turn before entering:

(c) who intends to leave half-way around the roundabout must not signal when entering the roundabout for fear of being labelled a twat.

But seriously, half way down this page it is quite clear - How to drive (http://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/rules/road-user-2004-qa.html)


An epic thread in the making... Nobody has invoked the Godwin law yet and the normal KB confusion about "loose" Vs "lose" has not >>>happend? <<<
And nobody is pointing out spelling mistakes either.

[willytheekid]

PFFFT! :weird:

Roundabouts are easy!...I just hang on REALLY tight! :shifty:


:laugh:

[Spearfish]

PFFFT! :weird:

Roundabouts are easy!...I just hang on REALLY tight! :shifty:


:laugh:

Now you've done it....
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[Scuba_Steve]

Prove it and I'll give $50 to the charity of your choice.

well thats not exactly an easy challenge, but hey if ya want I do got a question.
You can keep your money tho I'm a bit suspicious of charities usage of donations, unless you really want to give it away in which case go with RSPCA

But heres the question
Yellow lines (all of them), what are the rules (not NZTA summary, legislation ver).

I still haven't found proper law surrounding them only NZTA summary & peoples "wife-tales". So if you can produce it your doing better than I, if not you can keep ya moneys anyways. I'm not expecting you to know this any better than I.

[george formby]

Pfffft. It's obvious to me on my daily travels that indicators are optional or should only be used once the maneuver has started, mid turn or lane change etc. Either one will do depending on whether it's a japper or European car or BMW motorcycle, the side the stalk is on or how many buttons you have.
The horn is to attract your friends attention as you go past & wave & a courtesy flash is what happens when you look for the indicators or windscreen wipers.
Under no circumstances should you give your intentions away to other road users.

My current pet peeve is the slow vehicle bay at the end of my street, 70kmh posted limit & used by EVERYBODY as a passing lane including the local constabules. I often see cars ( & bikes ) coming up to the blind cross roads at the top of the hill doing well in excess of 100kmh overtaking some body who has moved into the left lane & traveling at least at the speed limit. Gonna be a huge bang one day.

[pzkpfw]

well thats not exactly an easy challenge, but hey if ya want I do got a question.
You can keep your money tho I'm a bit suspicious of charities usage of donations, unless you really want to give it away in which case go with RSPCA

But heres the question
Yellow lines (all of them), what are the rules (not NZTA summary, legislation ver).

I still haven't found proper law surrounding them only NZTA summary & peoples "wife-tales". So if you can produce it your doing better than I, if not you can keep ya moneys anyways. I'm not expecting you to know this any better than I.

Eh? The topic is "indicating at roundabouts", and your assertion it can't be done legally.

(I have a suspicion of what your claim will amount to, but I'll let you write it. Take your time; more than three seconds, even.)

[Scuba_Steve]

Eh? The topic is "indicating at roundabouts", and your assertion it can't be done legally.

(I have a suspicion of what your claim will amount to, but I'll let you write it. Take your time; more than three seconds, even.)

yes, yes touché I haven't actually looked at that law since it was released just went back & looked at it then I see what your getting at. Still doesn't stop it from being a stupid law which in affect achieves nothing especially not that which it was meant to achieve. But I also see we don't have to indicate out of smaller roundabouts either so I guess thats something.

Oh & technically the topic started with pulling into a 2-lane street but has somehow moved onto roundabouts (at-least thats where our discussions have gone)

[pzkpfw]

All good. We obviously won't convince each other - so best just leave it there; get on our bikes and ride. (Except I'm at work, dammit.)

[Banditbandit]

Pfffft. It's obvious to me on my daily travels that indicators are optional or should only be used once the maneuver has started, mid turn or lane change etc.

Yeah. I watch the body language of the car and driver far more than I rely on indicators

[Trudes]

Just hedge your bets and chuck your hazard lights on, fuck it, I have no idea where I'm going and could go anywhere! :laugh:

[sinfull]

How to drive (http://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/rules/road-user-2004-qa.html)


Sweeet, so i'd be quite within my rights to let a little road rage spill out onto the tarmat !

pffft how good is that aye, i never bothered looking, if i was going straight through i wouldn't touch an indicator !

Ya seem to be good at digging shit up Berries, so where did this confusion stem from ?
I had heard (second hand, opps my mistake) that a new roundabout rule had been brought in (as above). Was it just a proposed change which got blown out of all proportions in the Intranet winds ?

[onearmedbandit]

Last night I went twice through a crossroad intersection here in manure-wa (heading to my destination then back home again) and both times I had people turning (from Maich into Halsey Rd for those who know the area) waiting for me as I sat at a Give Way.

I realise that they were both probably thinking of the give-way-to-everything-on-your-right business, but they seemed oblivious to the fact that it is actually a controlled intersection. I was on the controlled Give Way, leaving them free to turn yet they sat there looking at me as if wondering why I wasn't moving.

Wtf is with people driving big metal machines on our roads who don't even have any understanding of the rules governing something so important as who has right of way? Sure, they well may have thought "better to be safe than sorry, and wait" but if they don't know this, what else are they ignorant about???

I agree that the standard of driving in NZ is poor, but I'd wager a years income that we all are guilty of ignorance of certain road rules and/or making mistakes. Not excusing it by any means.

[Devil]

I had heard (second hand, opps my mistake) that a new roundabout rule had been brought in (as above). Was it just a proposed change which got blown out of all proportions in the Intranet winds ?

The rules never changed. They just started educating and enforcing them.

If you were wrong before, you're wrong now.

[Oblivion]

Since this thread got bought onto the topic of roundabouts, I should Photograph the one outside out house and see if you guys can pick holes in it. :yes:

[sinfull]

The rules never changed. They just started educating and enforcing them.

If you were wrong before, you're wrong now.
Well i never changed neither lol

But why if they're educating ppl have all these idiots started indicating right if they're going straight ahead ?

[pzkpfw]

Well i never changed neither lol

But why if they're educating ppl have all these idiots started indicating right if they're going straight ahead ?

The people doing the educating forget how stupid people are.

(They should have used Big Ted, Little Ted and Jemima in the ads).

[Berries]

Ya seem to be good at digging shit up Berries, so where did this confusion stem from ?
I had heard (second hand, opps my mistake) that a new roundabout rule had been brought in (as above). Was it just a proposed change which got blown out of all proportions in the Intranet winds ?
I worked for the LTSA about ten years ago when they suddenly started promoting what to do at roundabouts. My brain is addled but I am sure there was no change to anything, just more, and larger, roundabouts being built. I had to explain to people that nothing was changing, this is the way it always was.

It is a problem with people passing a test 20 or 30 years ago and then new things appearing, like roundabouts and flush medians. New riders/drivers may know what to do, but older ones don't have a clue. Signaling right when going straight at a roundabout isn't much of a safety issue, I never believe any signals just in case, but it just amuses me that people happily drive around when they clearly don't know the rules. In fact it is not like they don't know them, they are actively following a rule that does not exist. I mean, where is the right turn that they are signaling? Don't they actually think?

Personally I just follow my old mans second piece of advice - don't indicate, it only confuses the bastards.

[sinfull]

It is a problem with people passing a test 20 or 30 years ago and then new things appearing, like roundabouts and flush medians. .Doh ? Probably rode over one once That's where i fit in lol like 36 yr ago, my licence reads like (as Pzkpfw said, where most ppl would need Jemimas help reading most of the letters and numerals) Alphabet soup and have (thankfully) never had to take refresher on them !
So being realistic here, (if ya drop the first word), you could try to fit me into the catagory of the OPs heading to this thread, but i'll argue all the way to the LTSA site lol !
I think i'd be classed as an impatient person and idiots on the road frustrate me, but if there is one thing driving rigs has taught me over the years, is patients behind the wheel, it's only a matter of minutes that are saved by being impatient !
Some might say (and i'll get burnt for this) that i don't ride like a patient person, but i don't commute on my bikes, i ride for pleasure and i get a rush out of it (better than any drug i've tried, could be the ADHD) so i aint gonna sit there and try to educate ppl on the R/H rule or stop at the end of a merging lane like some do, if there's a gap, i own it !


Personally I just follow my old mans second piece of advice - don't indicate, it only confuses the bastards. Second Piece ?
But yes you and me both ! Well yeah ok, so i do indicate now and then, but as someone said here, on a need to know basis !
One of the reasons i refused to teach my kids to drive and paid the coin for lessons, is i have far too many (what some would call) bad habits ! But once they pass i'll take em out to a dirt road or a paddock firstly, to pass on a few of the old mans skills (and bad habits) then show them how to drive quick on the roads, not fast as most immature folk would define the word quick as, but they need to learn to out think the majority or they'll either get nailed, or hold others up and wonder why everyone's flicking them the bird lol !

[oneofsix]

But yes you and me both ! Well yeah ok, so i do indicate now and then, but as someone said here, on a need to know basis !


Now that's what I call DUMB. How do you know what the other road user needs to know? Are you relying on them indicating their intentions so you can decided if you need to warn them what you are about to do? Indicate early then the other road user has been warned something is about to happen. If they can't work it out then they have no excuses.

[sinfull]

Now that's what I call DUMB. How do you know what the other road user needs to know? Are you relying on them indicating their intentions so you can decided if you need to warn them what you are about to do? Indicate early then the other road user has been warned something is about to happen. If they can't work it out then they have no excuses.
You and Kate stop at the end of merging lanes don't you ?
NEED TO KNOW ?
Thats right, if they aint obviously going where i am, IE: following me close enough to be an issue, or coming toward me when i'm turning right, or slowing down along the centreline of the road i'm planning to turn left off of, or at a roundabout i'm not going straight ahead on, i won't be arsed letting them know what i'm up to, if they are i'll know and indicate ! I sometimes even point straight ahead at roundabouts lol curtious aye ?

And no ! I never rely on other motorists to indicate their intentions, my spidey sense usually works better !

No excuses for what ? mowing you down, Pffft You can have that shit, i'm usually gone before they get to "wonder" in "i wonder where the indicators on that bike are"

And Yes if some numb nutts sits there double guessing when he/she has right of way and i'm obviously giving him said right of way, i won't sit there and educate him, i'll go right ahead and break the fucking law he don't even know !

[Scuba_Steve]

I always indicate correct indication left for left, right for right nothing for straight I do this all the time, even do this in the likes of car-parks even if no cars are near, because as someone who occasionally also uses my god given feet it is annoying as hell when vehicles don't show there intentions.

[MSTRS]

...Don't they actually think?


Redundant question.,..


Indicate early then the other road user has been warned something is about to happen. If they can't work it out then they have no excuses.

Try indicating early on approach to a roundabout...of course you are going to take one of the exit lanes from said roundabout at some stage. But which one?

I can't for the life of me work out why anyone has such trouble with indicating at roundabouts. It isn't rocket science.
Left indicator on, says you are leaving at the next exit. Right indicator on says you are going round to at least the third exit.

[Scuba_Steve]

I can't for the life of me work out why anyone has such trouble with indicating at roundabouts. It isn't rocket science.
Left indicator on, says you are leaving at the next exit. Right indicator on says you are going round to at least the third exit.

because to indicate left out of a roundabout I have to literally damage my indicator to do so on the smaller roundabouts (in my cages), I don't have an issue on roundabout of size just the smaller ones.