Stupid World

[mashman]

Students should be allowed to pay off their debts by selling a kidney, an academic said. (http://uk.health.lifestyle.yahoo.net/Students-could-pay-off-student-loans-by-donating-kidneys.htm) (how long before this becomes a compulsory means of paying off your debts :shifty:)

Earth 'could have had two moons' (http://uk.news.yahoo.com/earth-could-had-two-moons-171728476.html) (what great minds we have... perhaps there were more than 2 :shit:... In fact I reckon there were 4, because 2 just isn't enough to fit my model.)

Swede arrested for building nuclear reactor in kitchen (http://uk.news.yahoo.com/swede-arrested-for-building-kitchen-nuclear-reactor.html) (they took away his hobby and threw him in jail, poor sod.)

FTSE Loses £50bn As World Markets Tumble (http://uk.news.yahoo.com/italy-bound-default-says-think-tank-001423375.html) (priceless... the world and it's bankers confused and concerned over the unpredictability of the market and the potential for a double-dip recession... fuckin idiots)

[Banditbandit]

Students should be allowed to pay off their debts by selling a kidney, an academic said. (http://uk.health.lifestyle.yahoo.net/Students-could-pay-off-student-loans-by-donating-kidneys.htm) (how long before this becomes a compulsory means of paying off your debts :shifty:)



Who said Academic where intellegent? Able to study in a sheltered environment (I almost wrote sheltered workshop) ... but function in the real world? Debatable.

[ducatilover]

What are kidneys worth these days? I've got one that isn't working too well and may sell it for a new bike and a hand job or two.

[pzkpfw]

Earth 'could have had two moons' (http://uk.news.yahoo.com/earth-could-had-two-moons-171728476.html) (what great minds we have... perhaps there were more than 2 :shit:... In fact I reckon there were 4, because 2 just isn't enough to fit my model.)

Sigh. That's based on the current available evidence.

Let's see your model. Then we can assess it's value.

[oneofsix]

But you know academics belong in a sheltered environment (I prefer sheltered workshop to) after all they came up with the human cause carbon emissions scam but still couldn't get their stories straight.

[mashman]

Sigh. That's based on the current available evidence.

Let's see your model. Then we can assess it's value.

Use exactly the same evidence put forwards by the "specialists", and then substitute the 2 for a 4.

Did anyone ever see Into Iceland's Volcano? With the scientist (can get his name if need be) that stutters and stammers as he realises that their models are waaaaaaaaay too simple?

Anyhoo... if they can get an Earth based model wrong, one that has been studied using direct observation for decades. What makes you think they can accurately calculate how old the Earth is with any great certainty, let alone say there were only 2 moons and not 4? What is the margin of error, when you're talking about billions of years? Just saying is all. I stood on the shoulders of giants, and added 2.

[Usarka]

Swede arrested for building nuclear reactor in kitchen[/B] (http://uk.news.yahoo.com/swede-arrested-for-building-kitchen-nuclear-reactor.html) (they took away his hobby and threw him in jail, poor sod.)


Read his blog bro!

http://richardsreactor.blogspot.com/



Edit: it might not be as silly as it sounds. Nuclear "reactors" can occur naturally......

[mashman]

Read his blog bro!

http://richardsreactor.blogspot.com/


Watch Fingers and Smoke detectors... heh... hat off to him.

[Woodman]

Pretty sure the bulk of the politicians in NZ paid for their educaion by selling their brain.

[mashman]

UK 'Is Worst Place To Live In Europe' (http://uk.news.yahoo.com/uk-worst-place-live-europe-052104490.html)... no... really :shit:

Feds: US man planned to blow up Pentagon (http://news.yahoo.com/feds-us-man-planned-blow-pentagon-210116487.html)... naughty boy... very nice planes though

US 'threat' of military action unites Pakistan (http://news.yahoo.com/us-threat-military-action-unites-pakistan-033123234.html)... "The reaction shows the problem facing the United States as it presses Pakistan for action: Strong statements in Washington provoke a negative public response that makes it more difficult for the army to act against the militants — even if it decided it was in the country's interest to do so"... I hope that it's the Pakistani's deciding what is in the country's best interests.

Stupid world...

[Brett]

Students should be allowed to pay off their debts by selling a kidney, an academic said. (http://uk.health.lifestyle.yahoo.net/Students-could-pay-off-student-loans-by-donating-kidneys.htm) (how long before this becomes a compulsory means of paying off your debts :shifty:)

Earth 'could have had two moons' (http://uk.news.yahoo.com/earth-could-had-two-moons-171728476.html) (what great minds we have... perhaps there were more than 2 :shit:... In fact I reckon there were 4, because 2 just isn't enough to fit my model.)

Swede arrested for building nuclear reactor in kitchen (http://uk.news.yahoo.com/swede-arrested-for-building-kitchen-nuclear-reactor.html) (they took away his hobby and threw him in jail, poor sod.)

FTSE Loses £50bn As World Markets Tumble (http://uk.news.yahoo.com/italy-bound-default-says-think-tank-001423375.html) (priceless... the world and it's bankers confused and concerned over the unpredictability of the market and the potential for a double-dip recession... fuckin idiots)

Quite a laugh. Geniuses.

[scissorhands]

Pretty sure the bulk of the politicians in NZ paid for their educaion by selling their brain.

Preschool costs more than that, they must have sold their arse as well

[imdying]

Watch Fingers and Smoke detectors... heh... hat off to him.Apparently the radioactive boy scout found a bottle of radium paint in the back of an old clock, which is where he obtained a lot of material. That and smoke detectors, he was busted for ripping some off again not that long ago IIRC. He convinced a company at one stage to send him a hundred (or was it a thousand?) for school science project for a dollar each :laugh:

I can understand that particular hobby getting you in trouble though, his mothers and her neighbours houses all pushed the gieger counter right up!

If you want to read about some really dirty tragedy, check our the Radium Girls.

[mashman]

If you want to read about some really dirty tragedy, check our the Radium Girls.

faaaaaaaaaaaaaark :shit:

[mashman]

Motorway Speed Limit Set To Rise To 80mph (http://uk.news.yahoo.com/motorway-speed-limit-set-rise-80mph-163347178.html) I "Commenting on the proposal, he said: "Drivers travelling that 10mph quicker might reach their destination sooner, but will use about 20% more fuel and emit 20% more CO2.

"There is also likely to be a slight increase in road casualties. And what about enforcement? If police follow existing guidelines, many people could do 90mph before action is taken." kinda says it all really.

Wait And See: Osborne Cautious On Tax Cuts (http://uk.news.yahoo.com/chancellor-non-committal-over-tax-cuts-045641519.html) "I'm a conservative who believes in lower taxes. They lead to a more enterprising economy."... Genius, it's worked before.......

FTSE 100 Suffers Worst Quarter Since 2002 (http://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/FTSE-100-Suffers-Worst-skynews-810876266.html)... oh dear


Oooo rugby's on.

[mashman]

Great idea for passing the chicken pox... (http://uk.lifestyle.yahoo.com/american-parents-caught-selling-chickenpox-infected-lollipops.html) yet frowned upon... I take it the lollies are licked then wrapped :scratch:

The great british student out for his annual fee protest... (http://uk.news.yahoo.com/london-braced-for-student-fees-protest.html) could get messy, although perhaps this one will pass by without incident :confused:

Sarkozy tells Obama Netanyahu is a "liar" (http://news.yahoo.com/sarkozy-told-obama-fed-israeli-pm-092347721.html)... so frenchy says "I cannot bear Netanyahu, he's a liar," and yanky replies "You're fed up with him, but I have to deal with him even more often than you,"... plus a little UN funding fear for shits n OMG's

Bill Clinton Q&A: Taxing the Rich Is Not ‘Anti-Wealth, It’s Pro-Fairness’ (http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-ticker/bill-clinton-q-taxing-rich-not-anti-wealth-222914518.html) ... pah, tell that to some folk over 'ere ya horn dawg.

[Big Dave]

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[mashman]

Two million strike in UK over pensions (http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/world/12209482/two-million-strike-in-uk-over-pensions/)... but they'er doing more damage than good to the economy so they should just shut the fuck up and let the govt do what it does best... or maybe that's why they're... nahhhh

Woman “imprisoned” on Scientology cruise ship for 12 years (http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/woman-imprisoned-scientology-cruise-ship-12-years-145114448.html)... bet she's got a crhttp://finance.yahoo.com/news/stocks-leap-central-banks-coordinated-144638713.html

Stocks leap on central banks' coordinated action (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/stocks-leap-central-banks-coordinated-144638713.html)... normal service is resuming, please find your flotation devices under your seats as the gamblers go to work again... as long as the stock market is working again, everything will be sweet waaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[BoristheBiter]

Two million strike in UK over pensions (http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/world/12209482/two-million-strike-in-uk-over-pensions/)... but they'er doing more damage than good to the economy so they should just shut the fuck up and let the govt do what it does best... or maybe that's why they're... nahhhh

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who really cares? I know i don't. they still have their pension, a bigger one than most, fuck I wasn't even earning 47k a year when i was last there.

[mashman]

who really cares? I know i don't. they still have their pension, a bigger one than most, fuck I wasn't even earning 47k a year when i was last there.

heh, aye they still have their pension, but I think they know that it will be worth next to fuck all by the time they retire. Osbourne recently stated (media report) that cost of living was currently rising 5% per year and they're asking people on low wages to lose another %3+ from their salary in return for a 1% pay increase. I'm no mathematician, but it's hardly surprising that they're striking... should be coming to a govt near you soon I reckon.

[BoristheBiter]

heh, aye they still have their pension, but I think they know that it will be worth next to fuck all by the time they retire. Osbourne recently stated (media report) that cost of living was currently rising 5% per year and they're asking people on low wages to lose another %3+ from their salary in return for a 1% pay increase. I'm no mathematician, but it's hardly surprising that they're striking... should be coming to a govt near you soon I reckon.

Some off the stuff they have had to put up with is pretty shit.
Still they are paid more than some private sectors and have better conditions than most.
this is what killed off the mines, but now the jobs have to be done by someone so they will just bring in cheap labour and no one will have a job.

And yes I know this has already started in the private sector through out the UK, don't even get me started on that.

[mashman]

Some off the stuff they have had to put up with is pretty shit.
Still they are paid more than some private sectors and have better conditions than most.
this is what killed off the mines, but now the jobs have to be done by someone so they will just bring in cheap labour and no one will have a job.


nah, the mines died because cost of living and mining was rising and the people "needed" pay rises (rightly or wrongly I care not) to keep up their standards of living, whilst at the same time the 3rd world turned up with shit loads of coal that was cheaper to shift half way around the world than it was to mine up the road. As a business, are you gonna buy the expensive stuff or the cheap stuff? Why not let the workers take the fall for being greedy... but that's just one version.



And yes I know this has already started in the private sector through out the UK, don't even get me started on that.

killjoy

[BoristheBiter]

nah, the mines died because cost of living and mining was rising and the people "needed" pay rises (rightly or wrongly I care not) to keep up their standards of living, whilst at the same time the 3rd world turned up with shit loads of coal that was cheaper to shift half way around the world than it was to mine up the road. As a business, are you gonna buy the expensive stuff or the cheap stuff? Why not let the workers take the fall for being greedy... but that's just one version.


Funny thing is my grand and great grandfather blame the unions, go figure, i always blamed Maggie.
Either way they didn't or couldn't change with the times and paid the price, well the workers paid the price.
Just like the ship works in Newcastle.

Now it's being in the EU that's the cause.

[mashman]

Funny thing is my grand and great grandfather blame the unions, go figure, i always blamed Maggie.
Either way they didn't or couldn't change with the times and paid the price, well the workers paid the price.
Just like the ship works in Newcastle.

Now it's being in the EU that's the cause.

My mum and dad blamed the unions... hindsight is a wonderful thing eh. Maggie killed the unions because they rocked the boat. I saw organisations wanting fair pay for their members, albeit at the expense of the producers' margins... the golden age of capitalism I guess. Newcastle, Glasgow, Liverpool, Dublin etc... I guess the labor force was just too expensive.

The EU opening up was a "killer" for many UK industries, but I guess that was bound to happen at some point in time. Having said that the UK have told their banks to prepare for a splitting of the EU from the single currency, just in case. It'll never get better, not really, no whilst the east and "underdeveloped" countries have such low overhead costs. Guess that's part and parcel of the free market economy that's utterly unsustainable. Should be fun watching it all implode... which reminds me, I gotta get a firearms license and learn how to shoot.

[BoristheBiter]

My mum and dad blamed the unions... hindsight is a wonderful thing eh. Maggie killed the unions because they rocked the boat. I saw organisations wanting fair pay for their members, albeit at the expense of the producers' margins... the golden age of capitalism I guess. Newcastle, Glasgow, Liverpool, Dublin etc... I guess the labor force was just too expensive.

The EU opening up was a "killer" for many UK industries, but I guess that was bound to happen at some point in time. Having said that the UK have told their banks to prepare for a splitting of the EU from the single currency, just in case. It'll never get better, not really, no whilst the east and "underdeveloped" countries have such low overhead costs. Guess that's part and parcel of the free market economy that's utterly unsustainable. Should be fun watching it all implode... which reminds me, I gotta get a firearms license and learn how to shoot.

I have never been a fan of unions, all i ever saw was them wanting my my money, stirring up trouble and still getting paid while we were on strike. And after that being able to negotiate a better deal by myself.

It does seem strange we have found something we agree on, time to change threads.

[mashman]

I have never been a fan of unions, all i ever saw was them wanting my my money, stirring up trouble and still getting paid while we were on strike. And after that being able to negotiate a better deal by myself.

It does seem strange we have found something we agree on, time to change threads.

waaaaaa ha ha ha haaaaaaaaa... we agree on the death penalty too. Might I interest you in a different way forwards for NZ :killingme

[BoristheBiter]

waaaaaa ha ha ha haaaaaaaaa... we agree on the death penalty too. Might I interest you in a different way forwards for NZ :killingme

Death penalty for unions?

[Edbear]

No-one can accept that the world is broke and can't afford the standard of living that everyone wants. The workers think the Governmetn has all its own money to do whatever it wants, but truth is, the Governments have your money and there are not enough tax payers paying enough tax to give everyone what they want.

Sure there is some corruption, wouldn't be human without it, and some people get far too much in salary for what they do, but bottom line is the world is in financial free-fall and we are all simply on hold while everything reaches breaking point.

Too many, in both poor and wealthy communitioes alike, have the same issues as those in the underclass here. Live on the state, spend money on unproductive pursuits, like booze and ciggies and drugs and fast-food, insead of contributing to the community by hard works and thriftiness. The rich do so by living on credit and beyond their means and avoiding paying the taxes the country needs in order to run itself, which means the Govt. borrows money off-shore to make up the difference, relying on growing exports to fund the borrowing.

The lower socio-economic people avoid work like the plague and demand the state support them because while they really do try, (!), to find work they are unemployable due to requiring their rights of free speech and dress be acknowledged and that few jobs "suit" them anyway for whatever reason they can find to fit the circumstances of the time.

Some, are genuinely unemployed and are really trying to find work and are prepared to do most things if it means working, however a lack of insight and guidance may be restricting them as well as the fact that employers are genuinely suffering the downturn and cannot afford to take on more staff. Mass lay-offs are severely affecting whole communities and retail businesses are suffering in a downward spiral of diminishing sales.

NZ and Aus are not nearly as affected as the rest of the world, for which we should be truly thankful and stop grumbling! Try being a citizen of Greece right now, or Italy, or any one of the third-world countries, or South Africa or the Pacific Islands. Germany is in a bit of bother now as being the richest of the EU nations, it has fallen upon them to do most of the bailing out. France is in real trouble and it's only a matter of time... Everywhere you look outside of NZ and Aus. you see the trouble that is "on its way to a town near you" in the not too distant future. Don't be fooled or complacent, get yourself as solid as you can without too much debt while you have the time, and live within your means. Keep up to date with the news and world events as they are what is going to affect you personally in the coming months.

So many people, nations and governments and economists, talked up the "recovery" from the GFC as being real, and many on this forum scoffed that it would be as bad as some said it would be. However, a couple of years down the track and the global recession has not only failed to improve, it has worsened and the warnings from TPTB are stark.

China has said it will not bail out the West, yet China itself depends upon repayment of the West's debts in order to continue to prosper. China, too, has been artificially boosting its growth by building empty cities that remain unpopulated. It can't do that for much longer, either.

The desperate need for money will make international relations tense and the governments will look to shore up their finances by targetting the corporations and societies that have money, and will restrict such as welfare and tax-free organisations, including religious societies and charities. Not popular at present, but look for it to become more attractive as things get tougher.

World aid is on a steady decline as countires can no longer afford to put the dollars into the relief efforts that they could in the past leading to the third-world countries becoming more impoverished and desperate. Look beneath the surface and the smiling faces of those in power and their optimistic speeches. As many on KB have observed, it's same again and nothing much will change.

Make the most of NZ's prosperity while you can and put your lateral thinking caps on. What if you were laid off tomorrow? Do you have a back-up plan?

[mashman]

London 2012 - Cameron doubles security budget (http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/06122011/58/london-2012-cameron-doubles-security-budget.html) - pfft, chimp change

Scientists Discover 'Earth's Twin Planet' (http://uk.news.yahoo.com/scientists-discover-earths-twin-planet-010419253.html) - as much as I love this sort of shit, it's awful expensive considering we'll never be able to get there

Eurozone Nations Face Downgrade Risk (http://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/Eurozone-Countries-Put-On-skynews-363042582.html?x=0) - would one like a small eurozone country for christmas dear... I believe they're going cheap.

[mashman]

We must rethink Europe - Sarkozy (http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/12285716/we-must-rethink-europe-sarkozy/) The plan involves re-working treaties and greater outside control of countries' budgets. So who's going to decide which country gets how much? Tis a little like Oz holding the purse strings for NZ... bwaaaaa ha ha ha haaaaaaa, fuck the moneygoround is highly entertaining if nothing else.

[oneofsix]

We must rethink Europe - Sarkozy (http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/12285716/we-must-rethink-europe-sarkozy/) The plan involves re-working treaties and greater outside control of countries' budgets. So who's going to decide which country gets how much? Tis a little like Oz holding the purse strings for NZ... bwaaaaa ha ha ha haaaaaaa, fuck the moneygoround is highly entertaining if nothing else.

This is a step towards the one world government. They wont make it but it is a step.
NB government might not be the correct word as what is really happening is one world money system, but 'one world government' is the phrase.

[mashman]

This is a step towards the one world government. They wont make it but it is a step.
NB government might not be the correct word as what is really happening is one world money system, but 'one world government' is the phrase.

nope, that's a conspiracy theory, you're being silly... because that would mean that the crash was engineered to have this particular outcome... and who could do such a thing, it just isn't possible.

[mashman]

This is a step towards the one world government. They wont make it but it is a step.
NB government might not be the correct word as what is really happening is one world money system, but 'one world government' is the phrase.

Dangler Schmerkll: Vell, here ve are again. Ist would seem as zo ve are runnink out off money. Vy, I don't underschtand.

David Hammermum: Bloody Greeks.

Dangler Schmerkll: Who said ZAT! Vas zat you Dafid?

David Hammermum: No no, no, no no.

NickelArsed Smartdozy: Well, er, David has a, er, point.

David Hammermum: B, b, b, but I didn't day anything.

Dangler Schmerkell: Can somevon gag Dafid, SCHNELL! Anyvay, ver vas I before Hammermum opened his mouse. Yes, Vot is wrong viz zat shit. Ver haz ze money gone? Ze money ze Greeks haz schpent haz been accounted for and ve haf found zat zey haf been schpending above zer meanz, and zey will be held to account... and even zo Ve haf given zem ofer 200 billions of our Euros ofer ze last year or zo, zey haf spent it. It von't happen again now zat our man is in charge.

David Hammermum: I say, can we not just print some more money, just in case?

Dangler Schmerkll: Who vaz it zat said hafink a Conservatif government in Englant vas a good sing? Find him, or her, I vant zem schot! And vy ist Dafid not gagged yet? Vot is ze point of havink all zis power ven nofone takes anysink you say seriously. Anywvay... ver has all ze money gone? Anyvon?

Oh Bummer: Yo dizzle ma pizzle, negro in da hizzle... wassup ma niggaz. Chillax Dangler... our rich bitches have been hoggin that shit. Don't sweat it, we got dis shit... we iz gonna tax their asses fo shizzle... we'll close them loopholes and threaten to shoot any mofo that challenges our rule, I mean the rules... in fact we've got legislation going through that gives me that power, The Prez forever Yo!

Dangler Schmerkll: Oh vunderbar... in ze meantime vot are ve goink to do in Europe if ze Federal Perverse von't allow us to print any more money, hm? It isn't exactly inspirink confidence in ze market, you may haf noticed.

Oh Bummer: Chill the fuck out Ho... I'll send my homez around to explain the game bitch, but don't go hatin on the US $. Peace out bitches...

Dangler Schmerkll: Oh Bummer, vait, ver are you goink, Oh Bummer ve need some more answers to inschpire confidence in ze market.

Oh Bummer: Off to shoot 18 with ma homey Tiger bioch. Keep it real yo!

NickelArsed Smartdozy: Well Dangler, I sink, er, that, er, we, err, need to shange the game, non? Ass, er you say, mmmm ass, bon, ass you say, errr, the people of the werld will, er, start to become, urm, concerned that, er, we don't know what we're doing non?

Oh Bummer: Hey cheese eatin surrender monkey, you heard of the New World Order.

NickelArsed Smartdozy: Oui, I'm not an American umbacile.

Oh Bummer: Then centralise yo shit muthafucka.

Dangler Schmerkll: All in fafor of ze New Veld Order. Novone? Look ve vill be centalisink your budgets, you may try to seem interested and not piss me of any furzer zan you already are. You heard Oh Bummer, ve are screwed if ve don't play ze game. Vell? Schtill Novone? Aynvon else got any better ideas?

Don key: Will, there's this fulla on a motorcycle wibsite who thinks we could live without cish.

Dangler Schmerkll: Somevon put Don vis David. Zat vill gif avay ze whole game dumbkopf... ve've been ignoring such logic for souzands off years, vy vould ve vant to let people make concsious decisions off zer own now hm? All zose millenia off societal engineering vill all go to vaste!

Don key: I wis jist jokin Dingler. But he his a point.

Dangler Schmerkll: I vill nuke ze earse before I allow zat to happen. Fuck it, New Veld Order it iz. Ve're goink to need more drama to slide zis von srough. Who aren't ve at var vis?

The man with no name: You're own citizens. The drama will be enough to convince them that it's their own fault. We don't call them sheeple for nothing.

[mashman]

Oil Price Would Skyrocket if Iran Closed the Strait of Hormuz (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/oil-price-skyrocket-iran-closed-142205272.html)... Stupid world at its best. A bunch of useless cunts running the place like it was their play ground and what for, MONEY!. They impose sanctions because it is suspected that Iran are building nuclear weapons and take umbridge that Iran are going to retaliate, which will force the price of oil up. WTF do they expect? Sure, go ahead, fuck the Iranian people over because you're worried about yet another nation having nuclear capability. Did they ever find weapons of mass destruction in Iraq? No they fuckin didn't.

“To close the Strait of Hormuz would be an act of war against the whole world,” said Sadad Ibrahim Al-Husseini, former head of exploration and development at Saudi Aramco. “You just can’t play with the global economy and assume that nobody is going to react.” bwaaaaa ha ha ha haaaaaaaaa irony much. Gah I wish I could convey how fuckin pathetic this whole debacle is, amongst others. A bunch of fuckin idiots so entrenched in their way of life that they'd rather risk war than allow a nation to obtain what they claim to be a peaceful nuclear ability. Fuck it, I hope the Iranians do make nuclear weapons and blow the whole planet to smithereens, it ain't like there's any fucker on this rock that's worth saving. There's more to life than money!

[schrodingers cat]

Pretty sure the bulk of the politicians in NZ paid for their educaion by selling their brain.

That is totally offensive bullshit! In their day they were given wodges of studenty loans to perform ad hoc experiments with alcohol and recreational drugs

That is why the drinking age will never get raised - cause it obviously didn't do them any harm right?

[mashman]

Bluefin Tuna Goes For Record $736,000 At Tokyo's Tsukiji Fish Market (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/05/bluefin-tuna-record_n_1185770.html) ... for a fish :facepalm:

Women are a mystery to British physicist Hawking (http://news.yahoo.com/women-mystery-british-physicist-hawking-135814776.html) ... you can do eeet Stevey

Colorado woman accused of damaging $30 million painting (http://news.yahoo.com/colorado-woman-accused-damaging-30-million-painting-051057896.html) ... and I thought the fish was expensive. I woulda thought she was trying to make the painting better "A police report said Carmen Tisch punched and scratched the painting, an oil-on-canvas called "1957-J no.2", at the recently opened Clyfford Still museum in Denver and pulled her pants down to slide her buttocks against it."

[schrodingers cat]

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Let me think. 9 billion 'sheeple' in the world
9 000 000 000 x 0.01 = 90 000 000.

Yep you crazy individuals are proper special.

[Big Dave]

I'll pay you $10 to say that to one's face. :devil2:

[mashman]

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[EJK]

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[KiWiP]

Who said Academic where intellegent?

Well by definition they are intelligent. But if you were to ask who said they had any common sense, now that is another matter. Same question for bankers/traders/industrialists having compassion, or politicians having ethics, or road users having road sense.

If we read through many of the threads on KWB we see all manner of stupid world opinions but the people who write them (bar the trolls) do believe themselves to be right.

Unfortunately there are enough gentle idiots in the world to displace our venom from the ones we should be railing against e.g. Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini, Sadam Hussein, Pol Pot, Idi Amin, Robert Mugabe, Papa Doc, Mao, Thein Sein (Burmese tosser), Next gen Kim (Korea) etc etc etc. (I have avoided including all the western premiers who supported/financed these depots in the first place allowing them to get into their positions of ultimate power)

I'm loving the term 'Stupid World' because it does encompass all of us. Those fuckers at the top who make it and we schmucks in the middle that allow it and the schmos at the bottom that accept it.

[mashman]

Scottish government seeks 2014 independence vote (http://uk.news.yahoo.com/government-scotland-independence-vote-182642707.html) ... YAY. Of course there will be strings attached, probably to do with water and gas pipelines, at least it was last time they discussed the idea. Be great for Scotland to stop being the test bed fro Westminister stupidity.

The £32 billion gamble: Why Britain has opted for high-speed rail (http://uk.news.yahoo.com/%C2%A332-billion-hs2-rail-cost.html) ... fits into the Stupid World category just perfec. No need for it as it won't matter a fuck how quick you get there. With the high prices, and constant rises, in rail fares, no fucker will use it. 32 billion pounds :facepalm:

Bomb kills Iran nuclear scientist as crisis mounts (http://uk.news.yahoo.com/bomb-kills-iran-nuclear-scientist-u-presses-sanctions-080634975.html) ... see the pic three posts above suckeeeeeeeeers. Hysteria at its finest. Fuck it, if the wanna blow each other up I wish they'd just get on with it.

[Red39]

[QUOTE=mashman;1130232982]Scottish government seeks 2014 independence vote (http://uk.news.yahoo.com/government-scotland-independence-vote-182642707.html) ... YAY. Of course there will be strings attached, probably to do with water and gas pipelines, at least it was last time they discussed the idea. Be great for Scotland to stop being the test bed fro Westminister stupidity.

QUOTE]

Amen to that brother! Oh no, I've morphed into Desmond from Lost:facepalm:

[mashman]

Turkey charges Duchess of York over orphan film (http://uk.news.yahoo.com/turkey-charges-duchess-york-over-orphan-film-011635412.html) ... betcha Queeny is tempted to stick her on the next plane.

Sausages and bacon linked to pancreatic cancer (http://uk.health.lifestyle.yahoo.net/sausages-and-bacon-linked-to-pancreatic-cancer.htm) ... oh FFS what isn't linked to cancer these days

The Case for a 21-Hour Work Week (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/the-case-for-a-21-hour-work-week.html) ... "The challenges are great, none more so than figuring out how to make most of society be able to live on half of their current income. And no doubt, many will seize on this as socialism or worse." Sounds vaguely familiar :innocent:. The answer is removing income from the equation, DUH!

Beijing Apple Store Pelted with Eggs After iPhone 4S Launch Cancelled (http://gma.yahoo.com/blogs/abc-blogs/beijing-apple-store-pelted-eggs-iphone-4s-launch-095642998--abc-news.html) ... over a fuckin phone. At least the scalpers where on the ball.

[mashman]

Inside the Fed in 2006: A Coming Crisis, and Banter (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/inside-fed-2006-coming-crisis-124207691.html) ... cocky bastards fuckin with billions of lives... no surprise there, but it shows how stupid these people really are considering they're supposed to be THE experts. Perhaps if they looked at it from the perspective of "the street" instead of the probability of a particular event happening based on the information they have (convenient excuse for fucking up), then they might have known what was coming. It begs the question, based on some of the comments, was the housing bubble burst on purpose under the misguided belief that the "damage" would be limited and other market sectors would benefit? Perhaps they've forgotten what it's like to have a mortgage, to struggle to put food on the table, to need a certain $ in our bank account to meet the bills etc... Bunch of snotty cocky bastards who believe that they are in control.

Ahhhhhhhh good morning :)

[mashman]

Frustration for Christchurch bakery (http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/12608628/frustration-for-christchurch-bakery/#) ... awesome to see that the insurance companies are playing fair.

[Edbear]

Frustration for Christchurch bakery (http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/12608628/frustration-for-christchurch-bakery/#) ... awesome to see that the insurance companies are playing fair.

In the end you can only count on yourself and too many live beyond their means. By this I mean that we don't have contingency plans in place as we believe we can't afford to insure ourselves against adversity. We therefore rely on insurance and luck to bail us out.

He may have a point re: timing but he can only argue his case and see what comes of it.

The Insurance companies themselves have been hit hard by the natural disasters all around the world and it's not just the NZ insurance companies but their re-insurers overseas they rely on who are pulling the plug in an effort to survive. Don't underestimate the impact this has had on NZ insurance companies, they are facing a battle for survival right now.

Like the banking system it is all figures on paper and few, if any, banks have the cash on hand to pay out their depositors should everyone decide to withdraw. The whole world's financial system is this way and in a real crisis which we haven't seen the worst of yet. The EU itself is now in danger of complete collapse and I believe the UK will be vindicated in its stance to not support the administrative measures the EU wanted to implement.

[mashman]

In the end you can only count on yourself and too many live beyond their means. By this I mean that we don't have contingency plans in place as we believe we can't afford to insure ourselves against adversity. We therefore rely on insurance and luck to bail us out.

He may have a point re: timing but he can only argue his case and see what comes of it.

The Insurance companies themselves have been hit hard by the natural disasters all around the world and it's not just the NZ insurance companies but their re-insurers overseas they rely on who are pulling the plug in an effort to survive. Don't underestimate the impact this has had on NZ insurance companies, they are facing a battle for survival right now.

Like the banking system it is all figures on paper and few, if any, banks have the cash on hand to pay out their depositors should everyone decide to withdraw. The whole world's financial system is this way and in a real crisis which we haven't seen the worst of yet. The EU itself is now in danger of complete collapse and I believe the UK will be vindicated in its stance to not support the administrative measures the EU wanted to implement.

We shouldn't need luck if we're insured. I understand the industry is having a hard time, but that's their business, they take peoples money and take the risk. Fucks me off that when they decide not to play by the rules of decency you end up with people like the guy above.

As for the banking system, they could print more money if they felt like it... although I guess that sends out the wrong message, much better to let people suffer and potentially die to teach those who rape the financial system a lesson. If the EU goes under, the UK will go with it, they're not that isolated.

[mashman]

This is what we're paying for: Ireland's former richest person declared bankrupt (http://nz.finance.yahoo.com/news/Irelands-former-richest-apf-645992214.html;_ylt=AgEqyqKFSQFKLlPraU.jhXimK5NG;_ ylu=X3oDMTFlcXRodW1vBHBvcwMyMQRzZWMDbmV3c0h1YkFydG ljbGVMaXN0BHNsawNpcmVsYW5kc2Zvcm0-?x=0)

"Ireland's one-time richest person declared bankrupt, owes state-owned bank euro 2.1 billion"

[BoristheBiter]

Scottish government seeks 2014 independence vote (http://uk.news.yahoo.com/government-scotland-independence-vote-182642707.html) ... YAY. Of course there will be strings attached, probably to do with water and gas pipelines, at least it was last time they discussed the idea. Be great for Scotland to stop being the test bed fro Westminister stupidity.



The funny part of this is more people in England want it than the scott's.

[mashman]

The funny part of this is more people in England want it than the scott's.

Wonder if I'll be illegible to vote?

[TrentNz]

This is what we're paying for: Ireland's former richest person declared bankrupt (http://nz.finance.yahoo.com/news/Irelands-former-richest-apf-645992214.html;_ylt=AgEqyqKFSQFKLlPraU.jhXimK5NG;_ ylu=X3oDMTFlcXRodW1vBHBvcwMyMQRzZWMDbmV3c0h1YkFydG ljbGVMaXN0BHNsawNpcmVsYW5kc2Zvcm0-?x=0)

"Ireland's one-time richest person declared bankrupt, owes state-owned bank euro 2.1 billion"

how the fuck do you go from having 6.7b (nz) to being bankrupt and owing the state 2.1b :facepalm:

1B=1000M
fuck me... he spent 6000Mill...
muppets..

[avgas]

This is what we're paying for: Ireland's former richest person declared bankrupt (http://nz.finance.yahoo.com/news/Irelands-former-richest-apf-645992214.html;_ylt=AgEqyqKFSQFKLlPraU.jhXimK5NG;_ ylu=X3oDMTFlcXRodW1vBHBvcwMyMQRzZWMDbmV3c0h1YkFydG ljbGVMaXN0BHNsawNpcmVsYW5kc2Zvcm0-?x=0)
"Ireland's one-time richest person declared bankrupt, owes state-owned bank euro 2.1 billion"
In his defense the only reason why he got rich in the first place was by you lot buying "washed rocks" off him.
He could not read or write when he left school, he sold his customers some washed rocks.......so intelligence was not really there. He had the advantage that his customers/investors were dumber than him.
What the hell did you expect to happen with you give him $6b?

[BoristheBiter]

Wonder if I'll be illegible to vote?

One would hope the fuck not.

[mashman]

In his defense the only reason why he got rich in the first place was by you lot buying "washed rocks" off him.
He could not read or write when he left school, he sold his customers some washed rocks.......so intelligence was not really there. He had the advantage that his customers/investors were dumber than him.
What the hell did you expect to happen with you give him $6b?

I expect him not to end up owing another entity 2.1 billion euros. I'm sure reading and writing are a requirement for maths :bleh: I guess his "backers" thought he was smart enough, given that he had amassed a fortune of billions.

[mashman]

One would hope the fuck not.

I suffered their racist abuse for years, the least they can allow me to do is vote.

[BoristheBiter]

I suffered their racist abuse for years, the least they can allow me to do is vote.

But after all the abuse they have suffered you should be more tolerant of their behavior.
You should learn to have more apathy toward your fellow man as those less fortunate than yourself, that only know pain and suffering at the hands of the "man" have been conditioned to behave in a determent way.

[jonbuoy]

We shouldn't need luck if we're insured. I understand the industry is having a hard time, but that's their business, they take peoples money and take the risk. Fucks me off that when they decide not to play by the rules of decency you end up with people like the guy above.

As for the banking system, they could print more money if they felt like it... although I guess that sends out the wrong message, much better to let people suffer and potentially die to teach those who rape the financial system a lesson. If the EU goes under, the UK will go with it, they're not that isolated.

Print more money? You do know about hyper inflation??

[mashman]

But after all the abuse they have suffered you should be more tolerant of their behavior.
You should learn to have more apathy toward your fellow man as those less fortunate than yourself, that only know pain and suffering at the hands of the "man" have been conditioned to behave in a determent way.

:rofl: I didn't give a fuck, still don't. I know I know, I should have more apathy, but I can't help it, I give a shit.


Print more money? You do know about hyper inflation??

Yes I do. Just offset it with more unemployed.

[BoristheBiter]

:rofl: I didn't give a fuck, still don't. I know I know, I should have more apathy, but I can't help it, I give a shit.


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I couldn't keep a straight face while typing it either.

[mashman]

"Three topless Ukrainian protesters were detained Saturday while trying to break into an invitation-only gathering of international CEOs and political leaders to call attention to the needs of the world's poor." (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/topless-protesters-detained-davos-forum-134449002.html) ... silly bitches they shoulda known they were gonna be arrested for breaking a fundamental law "Davos police spokesman Thomas Hobi said the three women were taken to a police station and told that they weren't allowed to demonstrate without a permit — or naked." ... No doubt their protest was noted and the "Gangsters party in Davos." can carry on with their "Crisis! Made in Davos,". A couple of points, ahem, next time ladies remember your permit and remember to conduct yourself in an ordered manner. I dunno, protesters these days, no sense of decency and decorum.

"Police have arrested three people on suspicion of trespass after Occupy London protesters took over a former City bank." (http://uk.news.yahoo.com/three-held-bank-occupied-020709883.html) ... suspiscion? I'm pretty sure they did it. Bloody protesters, how dare they try to make use of a building that has been empty since last year... I'm sure there are big big plans for that space.

More fuckin protesters... In Senegal this time (http://uk.news.yahoo.com/senegal-riots-president-wins-ruling-033418076.html). Silly pop star not playing by the rules and telling people to protest whilst he sulks in his mansion somewhere. The people should just take who they've been given as leader and get on with it.

Oh FFS, Disabled protesters... seriously WTF is the world coming to (http://uk.news.yahoo.com/disabled-protesters-block-regent-street-185200608.html). They should go out and get a fuckin job like the rest of us, stop crying about their conditions and how unfairly treated they believe they are... if they can make it to a protest and voice their concerns, then they can get to work or at least should be forced into work as they are able minded. Protesting indeed, aren't they supposed to be drooling into their porridge and watching Jerry Springer or somethin. Just because people who can stand up protest, it doesn't mean that you should too, alright.

"Occupy protestors return to Aotea Square" (http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/latest/12731459/occupy-protestors-return-to-aotea-square/) ... jesus fuckin christ they're smashing fences and damaging the grass again what is their problem... I reckon they forgot their permit.

As for Syria, a few protesters getting what they deserve, nothing really to report, just death and lies in the belief that reform and a change of government will change everything for the better.

[Red39]

"Three topless Ukrainian protesters were detained Saturday while trying to break into an invitation-only gathering of international CEOs and political leaders to call attention to the needs of the world's poor." (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/topless-protesters-detained-davos-forum-134449002.html) ... silly bitches they shoulda known they were gonna be arrested for breaking a fundamental law "Davos police spokesman Thomas Hobi said the three women were taken to a police station and told that they weren't allowed to demonstrate without a permit — or naked." ... No doubt their protest was noted and the "Gangsters party in Davos." can carry on with their "Crisis! Made in Davos,". A couple of points, ahem, next time ladies remember your permit and remember to conduct yourself in an ordered manner. I dunno, protesters these days, no sense of decency and decorum.

"Police have arrested three people on suspicion of trespass after Occupy London protesters took over a former City bank." (http://uk.news.yahoo.com/three-held-bank-occupied-020709883.html) ... suspiscion? I'm pretty sure they did it. Bloody protesters, how dare they try to make use of a building that has been empty since last year... I'm sure there are big big plans for that space.

More fuckin protesters... In Senegal this time (http://uk.news.yahoo.com/senegal-riots-president-wins-ruling-033418076.html). Silly pop star not playing by the rules and telling people to protest whilst he sulks in his mansion somewhere. The people should just take who they've been given as leader and get on with it.

Oh FFS, Disabled protesters... seriously WTF is the world coming to (http://uk.news.yahoo.com/disabled-protesters-block-regent-street-185200608.html). They should go out and get a fuckin job like the rest of us, stop crying about their conditions and how unfairly treated they believe they are... if they can make it to a protest and voice their concerns, then they can get to work or at least should be forced into work as they are able minded. Protesting indeed, aren't they supposed to be drooling into their porridge and watching Jerry Springer or somethin. Just because people who can stand up protest, it doesn't mean that you should too, alright.

"Occupy protestors return to Aotea Square" (http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/latest/12731459/occupy-protestors-return-to-aotea-square/) ... jesus fuckin christ they're smashing fences and damaging the grass again what is their problem... I reckon they forgot their permit.

As for Syria, a few protesters getting what they deserve, nothing really to report, just death and lies in the belief that reform and a change of government will change everything for the better.


Is your tongue stapled or permanently glued to your cheek? Lol.

[mashman]

Is your tongue stapled or permanently glued to your cheek? Lol.

glued......

[mashman]

Fred Goodwin stripped of his knighthood (http://uk.news.yahoo.com/uk-strips-knighthood-ex-rbs-boss-goodwin-170914598.html)

"LONDON (Reuters) - Britain stripped the former head of Royal Bank of Scotland of his knighthood on Tuesday, putting a banker reviled by tabloids as "Fred the Shred" alongside Zimbabwe's Robert Mugabe and Romania's Nicolae Ceausescu as those who lost the high honour." ... Mugabe and Ceausescu eh... can't think of nicer fellas to have ever been given a knighthood :facepalm:

Peter Andre To Speak at Oxford Union (http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/celebrity/singer-peter-andre-to-speak-at-oxford-union/story-e6frfmqi-1226258040395)

"The Union - which prides itself with a tradition for attracting speakers from the world of politics, sport, business and the arts - has previously heard from greats including Winston Churchill, Mother Teresa, Richard Nixon, Jimmy Carter, Ronald Reagan and Albert Einstein." ... hang on .... bwaaaa aaaaaaaa ha ha ha haaaaaaaaaaaaa

[BoristheBiter]

Fred Goodwin stripped of his knighthood (http://uk.news.yahoo.com/uk-strips-knighthood-ex-rbs-boss-goodwin-170914598.html)

"LONDON (Reuters) - Britain stripped the former head of Royal Bank of Scotland of his knighthood on Tuesday, putting a banker reviled by tabloids as "Fred the Shred" alongside Zimbabwe's Robert Mugabe and Romania's Nicolae Ceausescu as those who lost the high honour." ... Mugabe and Ceausescu eh... can't think of nicer fellas to have ever been given a knighthood :facepalm:

Peter Andre To Speak at Oxford Union (http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/celebrity/singer-peter-andre-to-speak-at-oxford-union/story-e6frfmqi-1226258040395)

"The Union - which prides itself with a tradition for attracting speakers from the world of politics, sport, business and the arts - has previously heard from greats including Winston Churchill, Mother Teresa, Richard Nixon, Jimmy Carter, Ronald Reagan and Albert Einstein." ... hang on .... bwaaaa aaaaaaaa ha ha ha haaaaaaaaaaaaa

To be followed by Julia Gillard :rofl:

[mashman]

To be followed by Julia Gillard :rofl:

... and on backing vocals Obama and Key?

[mashman]

Yahoo seems to be fucked, so off to the BBC :)

Contraceptive pill recalled in US (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-16832307) "Around one million packets of birth control tablets are being recalled in the US, as they might not prevent pregnancy.

The pharmaceutical company Pfizer said a "packaging error" meant the doses were not correct." ... a packaging error. The population must be shrinking :innocent:

NICE: Prostate cancer drug too costly for NHS (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-16838825) ... ahhhh money. The pills are available, but the money isn't. 3 months is better than nothing, but fuck it, you're just not value for money.

Sugar tax needed, say US experts (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-16822533) ... "In a comment in the journal Nature, Prof Lustig, a leading child obesity expert, says governments need to consider major shifts in policy, such as taxes, limiting sales of sweet food and drinks during school hours, or even stopping children from buying them below a certain age." Prohibition for kids bwaaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha aaaaaaaaaaaaa ha ha ha haaaaaaaaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.

[mashman]

New crackdown on fine dodgers (http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/12801889/new-crackdown-on-fine-dodgers/) "The move will be followed by another crackdown next year when fine dodgers could have their driver's licence suspended if they don't cough up." ... sieg heil mutha fuckas. Go after the tax dodgers with a similar verve... tui?

[mashman]

Farmers hope lamb virus won't reach NZ (http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/12949349/farmers-hope-lamb-virus-won-t-reach-nz/) Incurable Virus Killing Thousands Of Lambs (http://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/incurable-virus-killing-thousands-lambs-054802480.html)... good for lamb exporters :)... wonder if we'll see lamb flu in the near future?

Hague Warns Of 'New Cold War' Fear Over Iran (http://uk.news.yahoo.com/hague-warns-cold-war-fear-over-iran-031540919.html) "In an interview with The Daily Telegraph, he said: "(The Iranians) are clearly continuing their nuclear weapons programme." "Iran says its uranium enrichment programme is purely for civilian purposes, but Western powers suspect Tehran is trying to develop the ability to produce nuclear weapons." .... oooooo it's all so scary and we all know that the Western powers don't lie.

Grief is not an illness, doctors say (http://uk.health.lifestyle.yahoo.net/grief-is-not-an-illness-say-doctors.htm) "The Lancet states: "There is no such exclusion for bereavement, which means that feelings of deep sadness, loss, sleeplessness, crying, inability to concentrate, tiredness, and no appetite, which continue for more than two weeks after the death of a loved one, could be diagnosed as depression, rather than as a normal grief reaction."" .... HTFU, 2 weeks is plenty of time! must sell more pills.

[mashman]

Concerns over health sector budget cuts (http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/12949730/concerns-over-health-sector-budget-cuts/)... so fuckin what! they shouldn't have overspent in the first place and if that kills a few people, tough shit!

[mashman]

Pentagon’s ‘Project Avatar’ replaces aliens with robots (http://uk.movies.yahoo.com/blogs/editors-20111013/pentagon-project-avatar-replaces-aliens-robots-171952837.html) ... whilst ultimately fuckin brilliant "Now the Pentagon's slightly sinister research arm Darpa has looked to movie 'Avatar' for inspiration (reports Dailytech).

The agency has unveiled its $2.8 billion (£1.7 billion) budget for 2013"

"The research will "develop interfaces and algorithms to enable a soldier to effectively partner with a semi-autonomous bi-pedal machine and allow it to act as the soldier's surrogate." ... Soldiers :facepalm:

RBS Announces Results Amid Bonus Furore (http://uk.news.yahoo.com/rbs-announces-results-amid-bonus-furore-050602072.html) "Taxpayer-backed Royal Bank of Scotland is expected to announce a full year loss of £1bn - fuelling the debate about bankers' pay and bonuses."

"However according to UBS analyst John-Paul Crutchley, RBS has been one of the best performing European banks in 2012, as shares have risen nearly 40%, adding around £8bn of market value - and therefore £6.5bn to the taxpayers' investment."

"The restructuring will lead to around 3,500 job losses, on top of the 2,000 announced by the bank last summer." ... FFS when will people learn.

[mashman]

Israeli attack on Iran might pull US into new war (http://news.yahoo.com/israeli-attack-iran-might-pull-us-war-131844092.html)... Essentially the US say they will bomb Iran if they retliate against an Israeli pre-emptive strike. Why not bomb Israel for starting the fight in the first place? isn't that how World Policing is done? Fuckin disgusting!


World Bank chief says U.S. should lead some global bodies (http://news.yahoo.com/world-bank-chief-says-u-041115681.html)

"The World Bank last week launched the nomination process to select a new president to succeed Zoellick when he steps down in June, inviting names from any of its 187 member countries. The Obama administration has said it would open the process to competition."

"Zoellick said the latest Greek bailout totalling 130 billion euros would merely buy time." ... What ever happened to getting the best man for the job? Oh yeah, there are different categories of best man, one who understands how things work and will do things his way and one who does what he's told. Guess which one's gonna get in :facepalm:.

[puddytat]

258498


Man its like the '30s all over again....

[mashman]

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Man its like the '30s all over again....

Well it worked the last time and I see no reason why it won't work again. The Sheeple are still blind after all.

[scissorhands]

If only engineers and academics ran things, they exsmell at technical and complex matters, there would be less stupidity

But they're not manipulative enough to suck dick like most pollies who hoodwink the John like a hooker following the money trail

[puddytat]

Maynard sums it up nicely....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cvKcMbzN_A

[mashman]

Cheeky fucking greedy banker bastards (http://nz.finance.yahoo.com/news/former-rbnz-officials-lose-battle-010138358.html;_ylt=AvgymYZ8e_xr8UtP8dL5NJwmTZNG;_ ylu=X3oDMTNxcmtlM3FuBG1pdANUb3BTdG9yeSBIdWJQYWdlBH BrZwNjMzEyZmM2ZS0wMmJhLTM2MzUtYjMxNS04MzgyNDQzNGMw NTMEcG9zAzEEc2VjA3RvcF9zdG9yeQR2ZXIDM2U4ZDY3ODAtNj FhOC0xMWUxLWI3NzctNDc1MGM2Y2YzZTc0;_ylg=X3oDMTFrNH U0cWZvBGludGwDbnoEbGFuZwNlbi1uegRwc3RhaWQDBHBzdGNh dAMEcHQDc2VjdGlvbnMEdGVzdAM-;_ylv=3) "A group of former Reserve Bank senior employees have lost their bid to back-date superannuation adjustments to 1992, when the Employment Contracts Act overrode pre-existing collective labour contracts."

[puddytat]

Dams could be sold under partial privatisation

http://www.greens.org.nz/press-releases/dams-could-be-sold-under-partial-privatisation

so who do you really trust....?

[avgas]

If only engineers and academics ran things, they exsmell at technical and complex matters, there would be less stupidity

But they're not manipulative enough to suck dick like most pollies who hoodwink the John like a hooker following the money trail
Who is John Galt?
He is the great destroyer apparently.

Its funny because people are put off by Rand books because to be brutally honest she was fucked in the head. But the reality in her books is quite thick. She must of been a skitso because her books make sense.

FYI John Galt was an engineer who built the perfect, most efficient engine. Only to be shut down by management an politicians who wanted to use him for their own manipulative means. So he packed his bags, took a few of his mates with him and setup Utopia while the world collapse because everyone left was a chief and there were no indians left to do the work.

While you could call it a "Fairytale of how engineers would rule the world" - all fairy tales are written to force people to think. Reading my son Dr Suess books right now, and I am amazed at how smart they are. All this content I did not pick up on as a child.

[mashman]

(UK) Police pensions 'unaffordable' (http://uk.news.yahoo.com/police-pensions-unaffordable-014203796.html)... "Taxpayer contributions more than doubled from £951 million in 1995-96 to £1.9 billion in recent years while police officer contributions fell from 31% to 23%, said the report. It recommends a move away from a final salary to a career-average scheme and a raising of the standard retirement age to 60."... and that's how they afford pay rises.

Economic Development Minister can't count - Cunliffe (http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/13049142/economic-development-minister-cant-count-cunliffe/)... Lies, lies and damned lies to sucker the public... but who's really surprised?

[mashman]

US analysis leak shows cynicism of NZ (http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/13080179/us-analysis-leak-shows-cynicism-of-nz/#)

'A release by WikiLeaks of emails from an American intelligence think-tank reveals a view of New Zealand that is at odds with the US's diplomatic position.

The website has published a series of internal emails of security company Stratfor, in which analysts express their true feelings about New Zealand's role in global affairs.

"When it comes to geopolitical importance, it doesn't get much f***ing lower than New Zealand," Stratfor analyst Chris Farnham wrote to colleague William Hobart in September, Fairfax reports.

"I mean they barely have an air force and they aren't even an ANZUS Treaty member."

Mr Hobart responded: "What possible strategic use is that little part of the world to f***ing anyone??!!""

Cheeky barstards

[mashman]

"New Zealanders' recent love affair with floating mortgages could be nearing an end.
Banks are now having to pay more to borrow money and there's a warning out from BNZ and Westpac that rates could jump sharply as a result." (http://nz.finance.yahoo.com/news/floating-mortgages-could-see-end-172752080.html;_ylt=AsBlBIQ30OEMStPszHlcBuKaK5NG;_ ylu=X3oDMTNxb2JiYmkyBG1pdANKdW1ib3Ryb24gTmV3c0ZQBH BrZwNlOGVlMmRhYy00YTYzLTMwZTYtOGU0MS01OWM5MGZjNDVk YTIEcG9zAzEEc2VjA2p1bWJvdHJvbgR2ZXIDNjdlOTdkMDAtNj YxZi0xMWUxLWJmMmQtZDgxYjI4NGQ4YTA0;_ylg=X3oDMTIwcz ZvcGJpBGludGwDbnoEbGFuZwNlbi1uegRwc3RhaWQDBHBzdGNh dANuZXdzLW9waW5pb24EcHQDc2VjdGlvbnMEdGVzdAM-;_ylv=3)

Strange considering that "In a news conference following the central bank’s decision to cut its key lending rate by a quarter of a percentage point to 1%". (http://articles.marketwatch.com/2011-12-08/economy/30757796_1_european-central-bank-euro-zone-euro-zone)

Someone's lying.

[oneofsix]

"New Zealanders' recent love affair with floating mortgages could be nearing an end.
Banks are now having to pay more to borrow money and there's a warning out from BNZ and Westpac that rates could jump sharply as a result." (http://nz.finance.yahoo.com/news/floating-mortgages-could-see-end-172752080.html;_ylt=AsBlBIQ30OEMStPszHlcBuKaK5NG;_ ylu=X3oDMTNxb2JiYmkyBG1pdANKdW1ib3Ryb24gTmV3c0ZQBH BrZwNlOGVlMmRhYy00YTYzLTMwZTYtOGU0MS01OWM5MGZjNDVk YTIEcG9zAzEEc2VjA2p1bWJvdHJvbgR2ZXIDNjdlOTdkMDAtNj YxZi0xMWUxLWJmMmQtZDgxYjI4NGQ4YTA0;_ylg=X3oDMTIwcz ZvcGJpBGludGwDbnoEbGFuZwNlbi1uegRwc3RhaWQDBHBzdGNh dANuZXdzLW9waW5pb24EcHQDc2VjdGlvbnMEdGVzdAM-;_ylv=3)

Strange considering that "In a news conference following the central bank’s decision to cut its key lending rate by a quarter of a percentage point to 1%". (http://articles.marketwatch.com/2011-12-08/economy/30757796_1_european-central-bank-euro-zone-euro-zone)

Someone's lying.

When I first saw that shit about banks paying to borrow money from overseas it reminded me how we used to be told the pump petrol price was going up due to the crude barrel price until the barrel price started to drop then it was all about the refinery price, now they rotate the excuse between refinery, barrel and NZD. Me thinks the banks are trying the same trick, worked for the oil companies so why not. The oil companies profits have been always increasing and if anyone loves to make money out of misery its the banks.
Until now the story is the banks have to borrow through the Reserve Bank and it's governor fixes the base rate, the commercial banks then charge a % over the Reserve Bank's base rate and that is the floating rate.

[mashman]

When I first saw that shit about banks paying to borrow money from overseas it reminded me how we used to be told the pump petrol price was going up due to the crude barrel price until the barrel price started to drop then it was all about the refinery price, now they rotate the excuse between refinery, barrel and NZD. Me thinks the banks are trying the same trick, worked for the oil companies so why not. The oil companies profits have been always increasing and if anyone loves to make money out of misery its the banks.
Until now the story is the banks have to borrow through the Reserve Bank and it's governor fixes the base rate, the commercial banks then charge a % over the Reserve Bank's base rate and that is the floating rate.

Banks encouraging us to gamble on whether the interest rate will go up or down praps. A great money spinner given that they hold the money and change the rates on their terms eh.

[Oscar]

"New Zealanders' recent love affair with floating mortgages could be nearing an end.
Banks are now having to pay more to borrow money and there's a warning out from BNZ and Westpac that rates could jump sharply as a result." (http://nz.finance.yahoo.com/news/floating-mortgages-could-see-end-172752080.html;_ylt=AsBlBIQ30OEMStPszHlcBuKaK5NG;_ ylu=X3oDMTNxb2JiYmkyBG1pdANKdW1ib3Ryb24gTmV3c0ZQBH BrZwNlOGVlMmRhYy00YTYzLTMwZTYtOGU0MS01OWM5MGZjNDVk YTIEcG9zAzEEc2VjA2p1bWJvdHJvbgR2ZXIDNjdlOTdkMDAtNj YxZi0xMWUxLWJmMmQtZDgxYjI4NGQ4YTA0;_ylg=X3oDMTIwcz ZvcGJpBGludGwDbnoEbGFuZwNlbi1uegRwc3RhaWQDBHBzdGNh dANuZXdzLW9waW5pb24EcHQDc2VjdGlvbnMEdGVzdAM-;_ylv=3)

Strange considering that "In a news conference following the central bank’s decision to cut its key lending rate by a quarter of a percentage point to 1%". (http://articles.marketwatch.com/2011-12-08/economy/30757796_1_european-central-bank-euro-zone-euro-zone)

Someone's lying.

No one is lying, it's just that you have no clue.
Please tell us what local bank rates have to do with the ECB's rate reduction.

[mashman]

No one is lying, it's just that you have no clue.
Please tell us what local bank rates have to do with the ECB's rate reduction.

I'm sure finance, and it's supply chain, is utterly complex. The basics are. A bank lends money, but they only lend it to other banks, governments cannot borrow this money because it has a supply chain to follow.
The government have felt this recession because they "invested" in the EU by borrowing some money from their economy before the "crash". Wonder what rate they were paying as the US had had their reserve bank pumping out loans before the crash at 1% was it? Why are governments penalised by not having direct access to this? What's the reason?

[avgas]

US analysis leak shows cynicism of NZ (http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/13080179/us-analysis-leak-shows-cynicism-of-nz/#)

'A release by WikiLeaks of emails from an American intelligence think-tank reveals a view of New Zealand that is at odds with the US's diplomatic position.

The website has published a series of internal emails of security company Stratfor, in which analysts express their true feelings about New Zealand's role in global affairs.

"When it comes to geopolitical importance, it doesn't get much f***ing lower than New Zealand," Stratfor analyst Chris Farnham wrote to colleague William Hobart in September, Fairfax reports.

"I mean they barely have an air force and they aren't even an ANZUS Treaty member."

Mr Hobart responded: "What possible strategic use is that little part of the world to f***ing anyone??!!""

Cheeky barstards
Thank god for that.
Otherwise we would be a US state by now.
American Samoa isn't that far away from us.

[Oscar]

I'm sure finance, and it's supply chain, is utterly complex. The basics are. A bank lends money, but they only lend it to other banks, governments cannot borrow this money because it has a supply chain to follow.
The government have felt this recession because they "invested" in the EU by borrowing some money from their economy before the "crash". Wonder what rate they were paying as the US had had their reserve bank pumping out loans before the crash at 1% was it? Why are governments penalised by not having direct access to this? What's the reason?

What are you on about?
Are you talking about the ECB, which does lend money to Govts?
When did our Govt. borrow money from the EU?
Who is the Fed. lending money to?

Step away from the bong long enough to achieve some clarity, please.

[Tigadee]

Farmers hope lamb virus won't reach NZ (http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/12949349/farmers-hope-lamb-virus-won-t-reach-nz/) Incurable Virus Killing Thousands Of Lambs (http://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/incurable-virus-killing-thousands-lambs-054802480.html)... good for lamb exporters :)... wonder if we'll see lamb flu in the near future?

Interesting. In the sci-fi TV series Fringe, in the alternate universe, sheep had been killed off globally by a mysterious flu.

[mashman]

What are you on about?
Are you talking about the ECB, which does lend money to Govts?
When did our Govt. borrow money from the EU?
Who is the Fed. lending money to?

Step away from the bong long enough to achieve some clarity, please.

I dunno. I've got a bit of a cold and can't hear much of anything t the moment.
Not sure what you mean there?
I dunno.
I dunno.

[mashman]

Interesting. In the sci-fi TV series Fringe, in the alternate universe, sheep had been killed off globally by a mysterious flu.

:rofl:... fark, I fucked a lamb last week and now have a cold :eek:

[mashman]

Thank god for that.
Otherwise we would be a US state by now.
American Samoa isn't that far away from us.

Does that mean we're going to be the arrrrrsore of China?

[Oscar]

I dunno. I've got a bit of a cold and can't hear much of anything t the moment.
Not sure what you mean there?
I dunno.
I dunno.

What I mean?

I was asking you questions about your own post.
Perhaps you're overdoing the coldrex...

[mashman]

What I mean?

I was asking you questions about your own post.
Perhaps you're overdoing the coldrex...

I thought you were doing your usual troll? So I did mine.
Lemsip... they seem to give me more of a relief... although I could do with a paracetamol and red wine chaser... praps that can wait til the kids have gone to bed.

[Oscar]

I thought you were doing your usual troll? So I did mine.
Lemsip... they seem to give me more of a relief... although I could do with a paracetamol and red wine chaser... praps that can wait til the kids have gone to bed.

Troll?!!:killingme
There's only one troll here, sport.
You post any old shit that comes into your 'puter, and then refuse to discuss it.

[mashman]

Troll?!!:killingme
There's only one troll here, sport.
You post any old shit that comes into your 'puter, and then refuse to discuss it.

Yet you don't debunk it with evidence (yes I realise the hypocrisy, but at least I realise it). I'm happy to learn otherwise. Troll.

[Oscar]

Yet you don't debunk it with evidence (yes I realise the hypocrisy, but at least I realise it). I'm happy to learn otherwise. Troll.

Actually I was trying to puzzle a link between the stuff you had posted.
How can I give you evidence for something that is nonsensical?

For example: you said that our Govt. borrowed money from the EU.
It doesn't. So how do I disprove a nonsense?

[oneofsix]

Actually I was trying to puzzle a link between the stuff you had posted.
How can I give you evidence for something that is nonsensical?

For example: you said that our Govt. borrowed money from the EU.
It doesn't. So how do I disprove a nonsense?

We borrow from the IMF don't we? Hence why we slavishly follow the IMF recommended practices?

[Oscar]

We borrow from the IMF don't we? Hence why we slavishly follow the IMF recommended practices?

Actually about two thirds of Govt. borrowing is Govt. Stock and Treasury Bonds.

[mashman]

Actually I was trying to puzzle a link between the stuff you had posted.
How can I give you evidence for something that is nonsensical?

For example: you said that our Govt. borrowed money from the EU.
It doesn't. So how do I disprove a nonsense?

Fair enough.

Doesn't it?

[oneofsix]

Actually about two thirds of Govt. borrowing is Govt. Stock and Treasury Bonds.

So that's 2/3 internal borrowing. Don't know about the ratios but the Greek used Govt bonds as well which they were able to lower the return on as part of the package that caused their people to get upset. Where does the other 1/3 come from? This is the important part, the tail that wags the dog so to speak.

[Oscar]

So that's 2/3 internal borrowing. Don't know about the ratios but the Greek used Govt bonds as well which they were able to lower the return on as part of the package that caused their people to get upset. Where does the other 1/3 come from? This is the important part, the tail that wags the dog so to speak.

That 2/3's includes overseas borrowing.

[oneofsix]

That 2/3's includes overseas borrowing.

OK but they are still buying bonds and stocks. What about the other 1/3?

[mashman]

Actually about two thirds of Govt. borrowing is Govt. Stock and Treasury Bonds.

Who are the buyers/who did we give IOU's to to borrow money?

[Oscar]

Who are the buyers/who did we give IOU's to to borrow money?

Belgian housewives and Japanese Dentists.

[mashman]

Belgian housewives and Japanese Dentists.

Is Belgium in the EU?

[Oscar]

Is Belgium in the EU?

Yes it is.
It's in the EU and the ECB - however, it is not the EU, the EU is a seperate organisation.

[mashman]

Marine's Facebook page tests military rules (http://news.yahoo.com/marines-facebook-page-tests-military-rules-234113159.html)... make your own minds up... but I see no reason why he shouldn't be allowed to speak.

[Oscar]

Marine's Facebook page tests military rules (http://news.yahoo.com/marines-facebook-page-tests-military-rules-234113159.html)... make your own minds up... but I see no reason why he shouldn't be allowed to speak.

Yup - he should be able to speak, right after he resigns from the Marines.
He's a volunteer, and he signed up knowing the rules.
If he don't like it, he should leave.

[mashman]

Yup - he should be able to speak, right after he resigns from the Marines.
He's a volunteer, and he signed up knowing the rules.
If he don't like it, he should leave.

As the guy says, he's not a robot. Wonder why he doesn't believe in what he's doing any more? He's a Sergeant. I doubt he's only been in the Marines for a few seconds.

[Oscar]

As the guy says, he's not a robot. Wonder why he doesn't believe in what he's doing any more? He's a Sergeant. I doubt he's only been in the Marines for a few seconds.

That makes it even worse - if he's been around awhile and is a Senior NCO, he knows the rules.
If he don't like it, he can quit.

[avgas]

That makes it even worse - if he's been around awhile and is a Senior NCO, he knows the rules.
If he don't like it, he can quit.
Yep - washout lane is always open. 24/7.
Then he can talk shit about the army.

[mashman]

That makes it even worse - if he's been around awhile and is a Senior NCO, he knows the rules.
If he don't like it, he can quit.

And yet he broke them? Must have been something pretty important? You don't just disobey the Chiefs orders?
I'd rather he took the Chiefs job :)

[Oscar]

And yet he broke them? Must have been something pretty important? You don't just disobey the Chiefs orders?
I'd rather he took the Chiefs job :)

It's the Military.
If you can't follow orders, get out.

[mashman]

It's the Military.
If you can't follow orders, get out.

So? What deep dark secret is he going to give away?
Should you ever question orders?

[Oscar]

So? What deep dark secret is he going to give away?
Should you ever question orders?

Yes, you should and there are legal precedents established.
However this guy is breaking a standing order regarding political activity.
He should STFU or resign.

[mashman]

Yes, you should and there are legal precedents established.
However this guy is breaking a standing order regarding political activity.
He should STFU or resign.

Oh well if there's a legal precedent then he should just know better and STFU or resign.

[avgas]

Oh well if there's a legal precedent then he should just know better and STFU or resign.
U.S.M.I. don't exactly recruit Harvard scholars.

[mashman]

U.S.M.I. don't exactly recruit Harvard scholars.

too stoopid huh.

[mashman]

"Details of spending on consultants show the Treasury increased its payments from $1.4 million in 2008 to $8m in 2011, while the Ministry of Agriculture and Forestry tripled its consultancy fees to $12.6m over the same period."

"Anecdotally, we're hearing stories of people being made redundant, taking their payout, then being hired back within weeks on consultants' rates."
(http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/13390635/consultancy-bills-swell-as-govt-cuts-staff/)

As long as the operational budget looks good, who cares about the capital expenditure blow out, despite the fact that the money is still taxpayers money. :rofl: borrow borrow borrow...

[mashman]

British twins face US fraud case (http://uk.news.yahoo.com/uk-twins-charged-stock-fraud-020121337.html)... So the kids are learning from the adults and ain't allowed to do as they do. Irony much? Or is it out and out hypocrisy?

Tens of thousands rally against Czech government (http://news.yahoo.com/tens-thousands-rally-against-czech-government-113523744.html)... they must be protesting for democracy too... can't be anything else :blink:

[Oscar]

British twins face US fraud case (http://uk.news.yahoo.com/uk-twins-charged-stock-fraud-020121337.html)... So the kids are learning from the adults and ain't allowed to do as they do. Irony much? Or is it out and out hypocrisy?

Tens of thousands rally against Czech government (http://news.yahoo.com/tens-thousands-rally-against-czech-government-113523744.html)... they must be protesting for democracy too... can't be anything else :blink:

Do actually know the meaning of the word irony?

[mashman]

Do actually know the meaning of the word irony?

Yes. There is a scenario there which irony, as a description, fits. I assume you're going for hypocrisy then?

[Oscar]

Yes. There is a scenario there which irony, as a description, fits. I assume you're going for hypocrisy then?

The kindest explanation is that English is not your first language.

[mashman]

The kindest explanation is that English is not your first language.

You're not very imaginative are you.

[Oscar]

You're not very imaginative are you.

I think you confuse blather with style.
Beside, recycling hackneyed old conspiracy theories doesn't make you imaginative.

[mashman]

I think you confuse blather with style.
Beside, recycling hackneyed old conspiracy theories doesn't make you imaginative.

Really. I'll work on that.
Which conspiracy theory is your wandering mind stretching for this time?

[Oscar]

Really. I'll work on that.
Which conspiracy theory is your wandering mind stretching for this time?

Me?
I just wonder how you think posting disparate links and making arch comments about them makes you look clever..

Certainly the use of a phrase like "Irony much?" makes you look like a complete plonker.

[BoristheBiter]

Me?
I just wonder how you think posting disparate links and making arch comments about them makes you look clever..

It's because no one will argue with him so he has to argue with himself.
I think his trolling days are numbered.

[avgas]

too stoopid huh.
Nah they don't take bullets very well

[mashman]

Me?
I just wonder how you think posting disparate links and making arch comments about them makes you look clever..

Certainly the use of a phrase like "Irony much?" makes you look like a complete plonker.

Ohhhh I'm trying to look clever... damn, wish I'd known as I'da paid a visit to dictionary and thesaurus land to make meself look all bright and smart like.

You almost hurt my feeling.



It's because no one will argue with him so he has to argue with himself.
I think his trolling days are numbered.

No I'm not, or at least I don't think I am.
Yup, troll troll troll... I'd hate to think I gave a shit... I'd rather just look clever and makes use look like dumb asses



Nah they don't take bullets very well


Nice shiny ones?

[Oscar]

Ohhhh I'm trying to look clever... damn, wish I'd known as I'da paid a visit to dictionary and thesaurus land to make meself look all bright and smart like.

You almost hurt my feeling.





I suppose you could try a dictionary or thesaurus, but I’m picking the problem goes deeper than that.
Comprehension.

[BoristheBiter]

No I'm not, or at least I don't think I am.
Yup, troll troll troll... I'd hate to think I gave a shit... I'd rather just look clever and makes use look like dumb asses



:killingme:killingme:killingme

and you're not very good at that, it's you'se dumb arse.
Unless you mean all of us, then it will be you all or y'll.

:killingme:killingme:killingme

[mashman]

I suppose you could try a dictionary or thesaurus, but I’m picking the problem goes deeper than that.
Comprehension.

I wish you coulda been my teacher at school so that I could have learned the proper way to look at things.


:killingme:killingme:killingme

and you're not very good at that, it's you'se dumb arse.
Unless you mean all of us, then it will be you all or y'll.

:killingme:killingme:killingme

dough, doe, doh. Yuwaw?

[Oscar]

I wish you coulda been my teacher at school so that I could have learned the proper way to look at things.





I would have thought that five years in Standard Four would have had some benefit.

[mashman]

I would have thought that five years in Standard Four would have had some benefit.

Some people just can't be taught.

[puddytat]

Must be a moon phase or something...some seem to be suffering from the missus on the rag, or not having one. (a mrs).
Or the meds arnt quite right......

I'd suggest....


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[mashman]

Teacher surplus no surprise - Banks (http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/13498771/teacher-surplus-no-surprise-banks/)...
"ACT Leader John Banks today expressed sympathy for the hundreds of frustrated graduate teachers unable to find employment, but says this outcome is no surprise.

"This is what happens when Government believes it can 'pick winners' better than the market can - it doesn't work," Mr Banks said."

bwaaaaaaaaa ha ha ha haaaaaaaaaa... nothing to do with people wanting to be teachers then? Time to put the teachers union on the block. That'll stop people wanting to be teachers. fuckin idiot.

[Oscar]

Teacher surplus no surprise - Banks (http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/13498771/teacher-surplus-no-surprise-banks/)...
"ACT Leader John Banks today expressed sympathy for the hundreds of frustrated graduate teachers unable to find employment, but says this outcome is no surprise.

"This is what happens when Government believes it can 'pick winners' better than the market can - it doesn't work," Mr Banks said."

bwaaaaaaaaa ha ha ha haaaaaaaaaa... nothing to do with people wanting to be teachers then? Time to put the teachers union on the block. That'll stop people wanting to be teachers. fuckin idiot.

The reason people don't want to teachers is quite simple.
They don't get paid enough.

[unstuck]

In the great school of life.:cool:

[oneofsix]

The reason people don't want to teachers is quite simple.
They don't get paid enough.

and politicians think they know how the job should be done better than those doing the work.

[Oscar]

and politicians think they know how the job should be done better than those doing the work.


That's true, and quite ironic if you know any teachers as they think they are experts on damn near anything. (my Wife, Mother, Brother & Sister-in-law are either teachers or University types).

[mashman]

The reason people don't want to teachers is quite simple.
They don't get paid enough.

The grads that Banksy is talking about would disagree with that or at least have remuneration near the bottom of the list.

[Oscar]

The grads that Banksy is talking about would disagree with that or at least have remuneration near the bottom of the list.

Its quite simple really - those charter schools will need to perform to keep their grant.
To perform they will need good teachers, and good teachers want good money.
The problem with the current system (and I see this from close up every day) is that there are too many bad teachers in a system that can do nothing about them.

[oneofsix]

Its quite simple really - those charter schools will need to perform to keep their grant.
To perform they will need good teachers, and good teachers want good money.
The problem with the current system (and I see this from close up every day) is that there are too many bad teachers in a system that can do nothing about them.

You make assumptions. To perform they will have to work the system, to work the system they will have to get the teachers to "cheat". Why do you think the USA movies and programmes have sooo many story lines about kids cheat their exams and being able to steal the test papers etc, its because it happens and is how the schools retain their funds. Good teachers will be driven out in favour of lazy cheating teachers because good teachers want the kids to excel where as the lazy cheating teachers are interested in the their, and by extension the schools, survival.

[Oscar]

You make assumptions. To perform they will have to work the system, to work the system they will have to get the teachers to "cheat". Why do you think the USA movies and programmes have sooo many story lines about kids cheat their exams and being able to steal the test papers etc, its because it happens and is how the schools retain their funds. Good teachers will be driven out in favour of lazy cheating teachers because good teachers want the kids to excel where as the lazy cheating teachers are interested in the their, and by extension the schools, survival.

Actually you're the one making some big assumptions.
If you look at this mornings paper there's a story of (state) school that got caught cheating exactly as you describe.

The ERA are not mugs.

[oneofsix]

Actually you're the one making some big assumptions.
If you look at this mornings paper there's a story of (state) school that got caught cheating exactly as you describe.

The ERA are not mugs.

So they are cheating already :gob: shows my assumptions were correct, now just wait until they are really given a reason to cheat, like their very survival depending on it. Oh and ERA can be handicapped or should I suggest to pay more attention to some schools and not others.

[Oscar]

So they are cheating already :gob: shows my assumptions were correct, now just wait until they are really given a reason to cheat, like their very survival depending on it. Oh and ERA can be handicapped or should I suggest to pay more attention to some schools and not others.

They cheated and got caught.
Your assumption is that they'd get away with it.
Now you're assuming that the ERA can be bought (and have presented absolutley no evidence). You are starting to sound like Mashman...

[BoristheBiter]

They cheated and got caught.
Your assumption is that they'd get away with it.
Now you're assuming that the ERA can be bought (and have presented absolutley no evidence). You are starting to sound like Mashman...

I think it's the same person.

[mashman]

They cheated and got caught.
Your assumption is that they'd get away with it.
Now you're assuming that the ERA can be bought (and have presented absolutley no evidence). You are starting to sound like Mashman...

And your assumption is that because you (yes you) don't know about it, it doesn't exist, even though there is evidence that 1 has already been caught.


I think it's the same person.

We r borg mutha fucka!

[Oscar]

And your assumption is that because you (yes you) don't know about it, it doesn't exist, even though there is evidence that 1 has already been caught.





So how do you prove a negative?
You really should try thinking before you post...

[BoristheBiter]

We r borg mutha fucka!

Resistance is fertile:rofl:

[Big Dave]

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Ahhh - A Camberwell Carrot!

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[mashman]

So how do you prove a negative?
You really should try thinking before you post...

So how do you prove a positive?
You really should try thinking before you post...


Resistance is fertile:rofl:

Spray and walk away :eek:

[Big Dave]

So how do you prove a positive?


Lick the terminals. If it tastes like lemons it's a positive.

[BoristheBiter]

Spray and walk away :eek:

I did a long time ago.:bleh:

[Oscar]

Lick the terminals. If it tastes like lemons it's a positive.

I'm sure he's already familiar with electro-shock therapy.

[mashman]

Angry residents refuse to pay rates (http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/13553811/angry-residents-refuse-to-pay-rates/) "Angry Kaipara residents have shut their wallets after the Kaipara District Council proposed a 31 percent rates hike."... fuckin shockin. They should all be thrown in jail for non-payment as my taxes will have to cover the shortfall. Greedy bastards, pay your way!

Plan needed as exports in free fall (http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/13554948/plan-needed-as-exports-in-free-fall/)... ""The National government talks repeatedly about the need to sell assets because we have so little money in this country.

"Why there is so little money is because a large percentage of our economic assets are overseas-owned, including many major exporters and more and more farms.

"That money isn't returned to New Zealanders. It goes straight back overseas.

"The main thing John Key seems interested in exporting is our state-owned enterprises. What he should be doing is looking at alternative ways of building the economy," David Cunliffe said.

"New Zealand needs to start supporting its local economy and its local businesses. We could be world leaders in alternative energy and fields such as software development.

"My message to National is simple: Wake up. The failed economic experiment of the last three decades is over. We have to change the way we run our economy, or face serfdom," David Cunliffe said."

bwaaaaa ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaaa...

[Oscar]

For Gawd's sake increase the wattage...

[mashman]

For Gawd's sake increase the wattage...


What What What What What What What What What What What What What What... better?

Greece tries to crack down on fraud as mayor of Zakynthos faces revolt (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/greece/9233670/Greece-tries-to-crack-down-on-fraud-as-mayor-of-Zakynthos-faces-revolt.html)... "Nearly 600 people on the Ionian island of Zakynthos - of which Mr Bozikis was recently elected mayor - managed to have themselves falsely declared blind, entitling them to fat monthly cheques from the state." ... Priceless

[mashman]

Tough shit, pay up (http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/13611819/debt-laden-man-kills-himself/)... s'ok, nothing to see here... :corn:

[mashman]

So how do you prove a negative?
You really should try thinking before you post...

Fortunately someone checks these things out for me (http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/13615452/schools-caught-mismanaging-taxpayer-funds/), you could say that I pay for the service...

[Oscar]

Fortunately someone checks these things out for me (http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/13615452/schools-caught-mismanaging-taxpayer-funds/), you could say that I pay for the service...

So what?

My original post was:


They cheated and got caught.
Your assumption is that they'd get away with it.
Now you're assuming that the ERA can be bought (and have presented absolutley no evidence). You are starting to sound like Mashman...

The story you quoted was very badly written.
103 schools broke the rules.
What proportion of schools is 103?
How much was involved?
How many were criminal cases?
How many were well intentioned infractions of petty rules?

So you used what appears to be a media beat up to support your usual ravings...


...nowt new here:facepalm:

[mashman]

So what?

My original post was:


Utterly pointless



The story you quoted was very badly written.
103 schools broke the rules.
What proportion of schools is 103?
How much was involved?
How many were criminal cases?
How many were well intentioned infractions of petty rules?

So you used what appears to be a media beat up to support your usual ravings...

...nowt new here:facepalm:


As was that one (reach a little further, I wanna see iffen yer wearing girly kickers)

[Oscar]

Utterly pointless


As was that one (reach a little further, I wanna see iffen yer wearing girly kickers)

Seriously, what does your hopeless little cut and paste say?
"103 schools caught mis-managing money"

Was it criminal?
Someone forgot to fill a petty cash chit in?

What does it prove?
You're easily pleased?
d- Must try harder.

[BoristheBiter]

Utterly pointless



So are 99% of your posts.
The other 1% is just laughable.

[avgas]

Fortunately someone checks these things out for me (http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/13615452/schools-caught-mismanaging-taxpayer-funds/), you could say that I pay for the service...
What do you honestly think was going to happen when 'the board' is comprised of the local busy bodies of the neighbourhood?
Some of which have no financial management experience at all.

[mashman]

Seriously, what does your hopeless little cut and paste say?

Holy shit, you mean you actually want me to explain my post? Fairs fair... You asked how do you prove a negative and I replied with the link. But please continue to feel free to put your own context to my postings... it provides HUGE entertainment.



So are 99% of your posts.
The other 1% is just laughable.

My Dad can kick yaw Dad's arse.



What do you honestly think was going to happen when 'the board' is comprised of the local busy bodies of the neighbourhood?
Some of which have no financial management experience at all.

Ideally someone to put up their hand and ask for assistance. Isn't that what usually happens when someone has no experience in a particular area? Failing that they could always go with "bold" statements and see where the shit lands :innocent:

[Oscar]

Holy shit, you mean you actually want me to explain my post? Fairs fair... You asked how do you prove a negative and I replied with the link. But please continue to feel free to put your own context to my postings... it provides HUGE entertainment.




The only slightly entertaining thing here is the fact that you think that posting lame cut and paste crap proves anything more or less than your tenuous grasp on sanity.

And just to clarify, the noise you hear is people laughing at you, not with you.

[BoristheBiter]

[QUOTE=mashman;1130319062]

My Dad can kick yaw Dad's arse.

/QUOTE]

that may or not be true, it doesn't change the fact that your posts are pointless.

[mashman]

The only slightly entertaining thing here is the fact that you think that posting lame cut and paste crap proves anything more or less than your tenuous grasp on sanity.

And just to clarify, the noise you hear is people laughing at you, not with you.

Glad to oblige.

Oh dear, is that the best you have old man.



that may or not be true, it doesn't change the fact that your posts are pointless.

Excellent. Glad to hear that they're well rounded. That must match all the positive rep from the thread :niceone:

[Oscar]

Glad to oblige.

Oh dear, is that the best you have old man.





Why would I waste my best on you?
Your posts only serve to confirm that your standards are very low.

[mashman]

Why would I waste my best on you?
Your posts only serve to confirm that your standards are very low.

How utterly predictable.
Better than none at all though :).

[BoristheBiter]

Glad to oblige.

Oh dear, is that the best you have old man.



Excellent. Glad to hear that they're well rounded. That must match all the positive rep from the thread :niceone:

I never said other morons don't agree with you I said they were pointless.
Like this one below.
You post on your own thread just to keep it active in the chance you will get into a name calling post session like you have with Oscar.


How utterly predictable.
Better than none at all though :).

I came to the conclusion long ago that you are either massively rich, completely stupid, a really bad troll or all three.

[mashman]

I never said other morons don't agree with you I said they were pointless.
Like this one below.
You post on your own thread just to keep it active in the chance you will get into a name calling post session like you have with Oscar.

I came to the conclusion long ago that you are either massively rich, completely stupid, a really bad troll or all three.

Yup you're right. All I want out of this thread is to have a shit slinging match with Oscar or whoever has a different perspective on the issue raised. I thought I was being subtle, thanks for pointing it out :niceone:

Your conclusions are wrong, from my perspective, but as they are your conclusions how can they be? Of course that's utter shite unless you take the time to understand my position, but why would you when you already have your assessment set in stone :bleh: No one feeding you dear?

[Oscar]

Yup you're right. All I want out of this thread is to have a shit slinging match with Oscar or whoever has a different perspective on the issue raised. I thought I was being subtle, thanks for pointing it out :niceone:

Your conclusions are wrong, from my perspective, but as they are your conclusions how can they be? Of course that's utter shite unless you take the time to understand my position, but why would you when you already have your assessment set in stone :bleh: No one feeding you dear?

I'll try and understand your position as soon as there is some evidence that you understand your position.

[mashman]

I'll try and understand your position as soon as there is some evidence that you understand your position.

:rofl: ... the evidence is that I post in the first place.

[unstuck]

:innocent::whistle::whistle:

[puddytat]

263378263377



meanwhile .........

[mashman]

"Protest march against large rates increase" (http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/13666889/protest-march-against-large-rates-increase/)

"They're asking for an average of 31 percent but for the people in the eastern part of the district the typical increase in rates is 75 to 250 percent, believe it or not."...

Reckon they'll bring it down to 10% instead or do ya reckon that people are "trapped" enough that they'll go for 20%?

[puddytat]

Its something we will see more of I reckon as times get tougher & councils bequeath ever more rate rises. Our land value has increased by 35000 since it was last valued & we have done nothing to it:weird:
Always thought that a rates revolt would certainly stir things up...it'd only take a few hundred rate payers to refuse the rises & take it as far as the courts to really get the courts & the authorities worried.

[mashman]

Aye. Saw an idiot on telly the other night saying that the $8 mill overspend on the stadium was tiny in comparison to the final cost. He then had the balls to say that the money would have to be recouped from the rate payers... and that's just 1 project. That $8 mil is now lining someone else pocket... what's the bets it's the guy who quoted for the job? I always thought/expected, obviously naively, that when someone quoted you for a job that any overspend was their look out. It would seem that that isn't the case where councils are involved. Brushing off $8 million, as that guy did, is fuckin pathetic (that's 16 pretty decent sized houses). Damn right we'll see more of it, especially when we start getting more ppp projects. It'll be interesting to see what happens up norf and I do hope they don't fall for the "oh well it was supposed to cost you 31% and you're only being hit with 20%, you should count yourself lucky" shit that they constantly pull.

[Oscar]

Aye. Saw an idiot on telly the other night saying that the $8 mill overspend on the stadium was tiny in comparison to the final cost. He then had the balls to say that the money would have to be recouped from the rate payers... and that's just 1 project. That $8 mil is now lining someone else pocket... what's the bets it's the guy who quoted for the job? I always thought/expected, obviously naively, that when someone quoted you for a job that any overspend was their look out. It would seem that that isn't the case where councils are involved. Brushing off $8 million, as that guy did, is fuckin pathetic (that's 16 pretty decent sized houses). Damn right we'll see more of it, especially when we start getting more ppp projects. It'll be interesting to see what happens up norf and I do hope they don't fall for the "oh well it was supposed to cost you 31% and you're only being hit with 20%, you should count yourself lucky" shit that they constantly pull.

Shit, you're good with hindsight.
Is that summat to do with having ones head permanently up ones arse?

[mashman]

Shit, you're good with hindsight.
Is that summat to do with having ones head permanently up ones arse?

Something like that yes... up til 3 years ago pretty much a given. Why would I have wanted to hold my council to task over what they see as needed spending. And if you know/knew so much and fought the good fight back in the day, then you're not exactly ignorant to the "problem" and as such have a social responsibility to alert wankers like me to these practices. Who knows, one of us might achually do something about it... got any fight left in ya old man?

[BoristheBiter]

Something like that yes... up til 3 years ago pretty much a given. Why would I have wanted to hold my council to task over what they see as needed spending. And if you know/knew so much and fought the good fight back in the day, then you're not exactly ignorant to the "problem" and as such have a social responsibility to alert wankers like me to these practices. Who knows, one of us might achually do something about it... got any fight left in ya old man?

Maybe with hindsight you my take your head out of your arse to realise the idiot to which you refer was not the mayor and being a council member voted against it.

And what he is saying is that yes there is a big bill but crying about it and finger pointing is not going to make it go away so there will be changes to the way it is run.

[mashman]

Maybe with hindsight you my take your head out of your arse to realise the idiot to which you refer was not the mayor and being a council member voted against it.

And what he is saying is that yes there is a big bill but crying about it and finger pointing is not going to make it go away so there will be changes to the way it is run.

:yawn: Did I say it was the mayor? or even a member of the council? :yawn:

:killingme... NOW I definately see who has their head up their arse. Such unquestionable belief despite the repeated evidence. Bitter and Toscar, the brains trust of NZ... NOW I understand why nothing is done :tugger:... t'ain't I with head up bum lad. Go back to selling stuff that people are going to buy and believing that it's all your own hard work :tugger:

[BoristheBiter]

:yawn: Did I say it was the mayor? or even a member of the council? :yawn:

:killingme... NOW I definately see who has their head up their arse. Such unquestionable belief despite the repeated evidence. Bitter and Toscar, the brains trust of NZ... NOW I understand why nothing is done :tugger:... t'ain't I with head up bum lad. Go back to selling stuff that people are going to buy and believing that it's all your own hard work :tugger:

In the humble words of the new generation. Whatever.

[mashman]

In the humble words of the new generation. Whatever.

To borrow a phrase from Oscar, I thought so, you've got nothin!

[unstuck]

Now now chaps, just hug and make up, shit, thats right NO HUGGING.:msn-wink:

[mashman]

Now now chaps, just hug and make up, shit, thats right NO HUGGING.:msn-wink:

He can kiss my ass, that ain't a no no yet :shifty:

[Oscar]

Something like that yes... up til 3 years ago pretty much a given. Why would I have wanted to hold my council to task over what they see as needed spending. And if you know/knew so much and fought the good fight back in the day, then you're not exactly ignorant to the "problem" and as such have a social responsibility to alert wankers like me to these practices. Who knows, one of us might achually do something about it... got any fight left in ya old man?

So what have you done about it, apart from airing your crackpot theories on the web?
Did you even vote?

[mashman]

So what have you done about it, apart from airing your crackpot theories on the web?
Did you even vote?

I've taken a small step. In time I hope to take another. You obviously have more information on all of these topics than I do. You obviously have more mental faculty than I do. You're obviously the better person for the "job". What have you done about it?
No. I won't vote for something I don't believe in without a bloody good reason. I see, and have never seen, any good reason to place my vote.

[Oscar]

I've taken a small step. In time I hope to take another. You obviously have more information on all of these topics than I do. You obviously have more mental faculty than I do. You're obviously the better person for the "job". What have you done about it?
No. I won't vote for something I don't believe in without a bloody good reason. I see, and have never seen, any good reason to place my vote.

So you don't take the simplest part in the democratic process, but you do complain about the result?
In short, if you don't vote, don't whine.

[mashman]

So you don't take the simplest part in the democratic process, but you do complain about the result?
In short, if you don't vote, don't whine.

An old old weak and deeply flawed argument. You need to have a democracy first, like I said, flawed. So with all of your superness, that's the best you have? I live my life in the same way as everyone else. I pay all of my taxes etc... for services and I'm not allowed to "whine" about how the govt spend it? Surely you, of all people, are not using propagandist sounds bites?

Thousands march against economic gloom in Spain (http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/world/13670686/thousands-march-against-economic-gloom-in-spain-uk/)

""The situation is getting worse but the root of the problem remains the same; this is a moment of crisis for capitalism," Jesus Gonzalez, 38, an airline employee said as he made for the Puerta del Sol."

liars and thieves "prosper" and the law abiding ordinary joe suffers because of a small sector of society. The ""root of the problem" is money. Without it there's fuck loads less to "fight" over.

[Oscar]

An old old weak and deeply flawed argument. You need to have a democracy first, like I said, flawed. So with all of your superness, that's the best you have? I live my life in the same way as everyone else. I pay all of my taxes etc... for services and I'm not allowed to "whine" about how the govt spend it? Surely you, of all people, are not using propagandist sounds bites?

Thousands march against economic gloom in Spain (http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/world/13670686/thousands-march-against-economic-gloom-in-spain-uk/)

""The situation is getting worse but the root of the problem remains the same; this is a moment of crisis for capitalism," Jesus Gonzalez, 38, an airline employee said as he made for the Puerta del Sol."

liars and thieves "prosper" and the law abiding ordinary joe suffers because of a small sector of society. The ""root of the problem" is money. Without it there's fuck loads less to "fight" over.

There's nothing flawed about "stop whinging and stand up and do something about it".
Even a hoary old curmudgeon like me hit the streets in '81. However I somehow doubt that someone who doesn't vote would have the energy to get out and march.

You posture and complain, yet you have no respect for the democratic process, preferring to make condescending and fatuous remarks about how you would fix it.
You just know better don't, you?

You and the rest of rent a rabble should take the heed of the Prime Minister - over 1,000,000 people voted for this government, if you can get that many on your next march, we'll listen.

[mashman]

There's nothing flawed about "stop whinging and stand up and do something about it".
Even a hoary old curmudgeon like me hit the streets in '81. However I somehow doubt that someone who doesn't vote would have the energy to get out and march.

You posture and complain, yet you have no respect for the democratic process, preferring to make condescending and fatuous remarks about how you would fix it.
You just know better don't, you?

You and the rest of rent a rabble should take the heed of the Prime Minister - over 1,000,000 people voted for this government, if you can get that many on your next march, we'll listen.

I am doing something about it. So I shall "whine" all I like :bleh:.

I do have respect for the democratic process and "my" solution would fix it... and in this case, yes, I do know better.

:killingme... give me a financial backer, the TV time and a decent spokesperson and I'll get those million votes... but I'd rather you voted for it because it made sense, not because it was popular :facepalm:... and you wonder why people call them sheep.

[Oscar]

I am doing something about it. So I shall "whine" all I like :bleh:.

I do have respect for the democratic process and "my" solution would fix it... and in this case, yes, I do know better.

:killingme... give me a financial backer, the TV time and a decent spokesperson and I'll get those million votes... but I'd rather you voted for it because it made sense, not because it was popular :facepalm:... and you wonder why people call them sheep.

You could undoubtedly get a financial backer, the TV time and a decent spokesperson and a million votes, but for one thing - you talk shite.

[mashman]

You could undoubtedly get a financial backer, the TV time and a decent spokesperson and a million votes, but for one thing - you talk shite.

it ain't about me... I thought you might have figured that out.

[Oscar]

it ain't about me... I thought you might have figured that out.

It's hard to figure out what yer on about on a good day...

[mashman]

Its something we will see more of I reckon as times get tougher & councils bequeath ever more rate rises. Our land value has increased by 35000 since it was last valued & we have done nothing to it:weird:
Always thought that a rates revolt would certainly stir things up...it'd only take a few hundred rate payers to refuse the rises & take it as far as the courts to really get the courts & the authorities worried.

Civil disobedience... how dare they (http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/13671147/kaipara-residents-take-action-to-the-next-level/)



It's hard to figure out what yer on about on a good day...

and I'm fresh out of babelfish... my apologies.

[mashman]

More on the Spanish austerity measure protest: 100,000 march in Spain over austerity (http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/world/13671009/100-000-march-in-spain-over-austerity/).

"I'm here to defend the rights that we're losing and for the young people who have it so tough," 57-year-old middle school teacher Roberto Alonso said. "They're better educated than ever. But they don't have work. They don't have anything. They're behind and they'll stay that way."

"Javier Colilla, a 27-year old university student, said he showed up to protest in Madrid because Spain's economic situation seems like it will spiral into chaos.

"We've had this crisis for four years but it feels like it's just starting," the fine arts major said.

Colilla lives with his parents, sees zero prospect of getting a menial job after graduation and thinks he may never be able to buy an apartment.

"Right now I'm thinking my best option will be to go to Germany where I can wash dishes, make a little money and learn German," he said. "The prospects of getting a job in Spain are practically inexistent."

He said the government austerity cuts targeting "health and education, but rescuing banks are wrong. They need to find other places to cut"."

Pah!!! Money eh.

[puddytat]

You and the rest of rent a rabble should take the heed of the Prime Minister - over 1,000,000 people voted for this government, if you can get that many on your next march, we'll listen.

It may be the actions of only one individual which could make all the difference.........

[mashman]

It may be the actions of only one individual which could make all the difference.........

Wish you'd hurry up then :shifty:

[puddytat]

Well a neighbour up the road got so wound up about one thing or another he did this....

http://www.stuff.co.nz/nelson-mail/news/6784886/Arson-accused-had-gun-cache#share

[mashman]

Well a neighbour up the road got so wound up about one thing or another he did this....

http://www.stuff.co.nz/nelson-mail/news/6784886/Arson-accused-had-gun-cache#share

:shit: that musta been some wind up.

[BoristheBiter]

:shit: that musta been some wind up.

It can't be, you didn't write it.:bleh:

[mashman]

It can't be, you didn't write it.:bleh:

we'll try again... me nono gotto no'o babelo fisho

[puddytat]

He's been winding himself up for years.......something to do with those who come from the promised land.

glad they got him BEFORE he went postal....

Come to think of it,
he was the epitome of a paranoid schizo right wing fascist wannabe old english reprobate curmudgeon....:weird::wacko:

and honestly we're all here sleeping better.....

[Oscar]

It may be the actions of only one individual which could make all the difference.........

True. But I don't think that the person posting random press links and making fatuous comments is that individual.

[mashman]

He's been winding himself up for years.......something to do with those who come from the promised land.

glad they got him BEFORE he went postal....

Come to think of it,
he was the epitome of a paranoid schizo right wing fascist wannabe old english reprobate curmudgeon....:weird::wacko:

and honestly we're all here sleeping better.....

:shit::shit: as you say, kind of lucky that he went on an arson binge instead of the Breivik kind. Poor fella :(


True. But I don't think that the person posting random press links and making fatuous comments is that individual.

Shame you see them as random press links... but I guess that was to be expected.

Have another old chap.

New laws cost $3.5m each - study (http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/13675136/new-laws-cost-3-5m-each-study/#)... so we're paying to remove our own freedoms... oh the irony.

[BoristheBiter]

New laws cost $3.5m each - study (http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/13675136/new-laws-cost-3-5m-each-study/#)... so we're paying to remove our own freedoms... oh the irony.

And sadly it is lost on the one that doesn't vote.:laugh:

[mashman]

Law change in way of anti-corruption convention (http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/13675673/law-change-in-way-of-anti-corruption-convention/)

"Correspondence from the Ministry of Justice reveals a change made to an anti-money laundering Bill in 2009 is the problem.

At the time, Parliament removed a requirement for prominent public servants to be subject to enhanced due diligence around such matters."

and remember, at all costs you must protect your own bwaaaa ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaaaa. This has to be my fave for a while.

[Oscar]

Shame you see them as random press links... but I guess that was to be expected.

Have another old chap.

New laws cost $3.5m each - study (http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/13675136/new-laws-cost-3-5m-each-study/#)... so we're paying to remove our own freedoms... oh the irony.

More fatuous comments.

Why is the cost of legislation related to the removal of freedoms?
The fact is that passing a new law costs money.
Are you inferring that $3.5m is excessive? because Prof. Wilson at Otago University says it's good value:
http://www.3news.co.nz/Health-legislation-good-value-for-money---study/tabid/1607/articleID/254162/Default.aspx

You also don't give us any proof of connection between new legislation and loss of freedom. We don't have to go that far into the past to come up with legislation that gives more freedom: Gay Rights, Civil Unions, or the Bill of Rights Act.

[mashman]

More fatuous comments.

Why is the cost of legislation related to the removal of freedoms?
The fact is that passing a new law costs money.
Are you inferring that $3.5m is excessive? because Prof. Wilson at Otago University says it's good value:
http://www.3news.co.nz/Health-legislation-good-value-for-money---study/tabid/1607/articleID/254162/Default.aspx

You also don't give us any proof of connection between new legislation and loss of freedom. We don't have to go that far into the past to come up with legislation that gives more freedom: Gay Rights, Civil Unions, or the Bill of Rights Act.

Legislation removes my choice and therefore removes more of my freedom. Calling that fatuous, well let's not go down that road suffice to say that I see things very differently from yourself.
Of course it costs money, I'm not saying that it doesn't, I'm not saying that in the current environment that it isn't value for money (other than it only needs to be done because the justice system cannot rely on common sense alone any more, hence the above story of "protection" of those in power), you're the one who has opened up the "argument" further than it needed to go, as is your bent.

As above, legislation removes my choice and therefore removes more of my freedom. Why do we need legislation to allow people to be gay? or black? or female? or to TELL us what our rights are? As I said, your freedom is not your choice, unless your choice has been legislated for. An exceptionally archaic way of doing things... but hey, politics wouldn't be politics without the government telling us what we aren't allowed to do. the funny thing is, it doesn't stop those who exercise their "bad" choices anyway. Those who believe that we need our lives legislated in such a way are nothing but sheep.

[Oscar]

Legislation removes my choice and therefore removes more of my freedom. Calling that fatuous, well let's not go down that road suffice to say that I see things very differently from yourself.
Of course it costs money, I'm not saying that it doesn't, I'm not saying that in the current environment that it isn't value for money (other than it only needs to be done because the justice system cannot rely on common sense alone any more, hence the above story of "protection" of those in power), you're the one who has opened up the "argument" further than it needed to go, as is your bent.

As above, legislation removes my choice and therefore removes more of my freedom. Why do we need legislation to allow people to be gay? or black? or female? or to TELL us what our rights are? As I said, your freedom is not your choice, unless your choice has been legislated for. An exceptionally archaic way of doing things... but hey, politics wouldn't be politics without the government telling us what we aren't allowed to do. the funny thing is, it doesn't stop those who exercise their "bad" choices anyway. Those who believe that we need our lives legislated in such a way are nothing but sheep.


That's better - you're using your words.
Your original post had the link and some silly comment about irony (which, strictly speaking it wasn't). It's good to see that you have some opinions of your own.

You still have a problem with comprehension, though - I said your remarks were fatuous, not the legislation.

[BoristheBiter]

That's better - you're using your words.
Your original post had the link and some silly comment about irony (which, strictly speaking it wasn't). It's good to see that you have some opinions of your own.

You still have a problem with comprehension, though - I said your remarks were fatuous, not the legislation.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Oscar again.:laugh:

At least he's learning.

[mashman]

That's better - you're using your words.
Your original post had the link and some silly comment about irony (which, strictly speaking it wasn't). It's good to see that you have some opinions of your own.

You still have a problem with comprehension, though - I said your remarks were fatuous, not the legislation.

:rofl: cheers Dad. It is Ironic to me. You have your own view and you don't see the post as ironic, just fatuous :bleh:. Fair enough, that's your comprehension of what I am getting at in 4 or 5 words of posting :laugh:... entertaining if nothing else :).

[mashman]

At least he's learning.

That makes 1 out of the 3 of us :bleh:... although I always knew that 1 of us was open to learning.

[Oscar]

:rofl: cheers Dad. It is Ironic to me. You have your own view and you don't see the post as ironic, just fatuous :bleh:. Fair enough, that's your comprehension of what I am getting at in 4 or 5 words of posting :laugh:... entertaining if nothing else :).

You missed my meaning (comprehension again).
Having to pay for losing your freedoms isn't ironic.
It doesn't qualify as irony:


Irony: The expression of one's meaning by using language that normally signifies the opposite, typically for humorous or emphatic effect.

[mashman]

You missed my meaning (comprehension again).
Having to pay for losing your freedoms isn't ironic.
It doesn't qualify as irony:

It is ironic if you believe that we are paying for our freedoms (plenty of people believe this is why we pay for our legislation)... I find it humorous that that is the opposite that is actually happening. Perception, not comprehension is the difference. I understand why you don't see it as ironic. Seems to be a one way street here :).

[avgas]

You have the right to remain silent. Anything you do say will be used against you in a court of law. You have the right for an attorney, should you not have an attorney the court will provide you with one.

Have anything to say.
Thought fucken not.

Freedom is a form of sanitary pad, not a right anymore.

[BoristheBiter]

It is ironic if you believe that we are paying for our freedoms (plenty of people believe this is why we pay for our legislation)... I find it humorous that that is the opposite that is actually happening. Perception, not comprehension is the difference. I understand why you don't see it as ironic. Seems to be a one way street here :).

legislation is only because we can't kill the stupid.

The problem is if you have the right to do what ever you want, I guess that is a freedom, you are impacting on someone right to not be bothered by you.

If common sense was allowed into law non of this would be necessary.

[mashman]

legislation is only because we can't kill the stupid.

The problem is if you have the right to do what ever you want, I guess that is a freedom, you are impacting on someone right to not be bothered by you.

If common sense was allowed into law non of this would be necessary.

I thought it was to stop people from doing that very thing :shifty:... even stupid people work, don't I, I mean they.

Teaspoon of cement?

heh... now that I agree with.

[Oscar]

It is ironic if you believe that we are paying for our freedoms (plenty of people believe this is why we pay for our legislation)... I find it humorous that that is the opposite that is actually happening. Perception, not comprehension is the difference. I understand why you don't see it as ironic. Seems to be a one way street here :).

(sigh)
It's not perception, it's definition.
It's not irony.

If you voted to removethe freedom to vote, maybe that would be irony...I dunno.
Alanis Morrisette has a lot to answer for.

[mashman]

(sigh)
It's not perception, it's definition.
It's not irony.

If you voted to removethe freedom to vote, maybe that would be irony...I dunno.
Alanis Morrisette has a lot to answer for.

Perception changes definition. If it didn't, then lawyers wouldn't be required.
It is.

I'm sure she does... but fortunately I never paid her any attention to start with.

[Oscar]

And if my granny had wheels she'd be a bicycle.
It still ain't irony.


Perception changes definition. If it didn't, then lawyers wouldn't be required.
It is.

I'm sure she does... but fortunately I never paid her any attention to start with.

[mashman]

And if my granny had wheels she'd be a bicycle.
It still ain't irony.

Only is she has 2 :eek:
Tis...

Law change in way of anti-corruption convention (http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/13675673/law-change-in-way-of-anti-corruption-convention/)

"Correspondence from the Ministry of Justice reveals a change made to an anti-money laundering Bill in 2009 is the problem.

At the time, Parliament removed a requirement for prominent public servants to be subject to enhanced due diligence around such matters."

Still my fave.

[BoristheBiter]

I thought it was to stop people from doing that very thing :shifty:... even stupid people work, don't I, I mean they.

Teaspoon of cement?

heh... now that I agree with.

Well you are the one that said legislation removes our freedom.

Build a bridge time???

[mashman]

Well you are the one that said legislation removes our freedom.

Build a bridge time???

I didn't say it was needed though :bleh:

To get over what?

[mashman]

Spain's Bankia asks for $24bn in state aid (http://nz.finance.yahoo.com/news/spains-bankia-asks-24bn-state-230105883.html)...

Einstein: "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.". Using money to get out of a situation that was caused by money. Genius!!!!!

[mashman]

Obama: Europe must inject money into banks (http://nz.finance.yahoo.com/news/obama-europe-must-inject-money-215309096.html;_ylt=AvGuLPGkb4v5Y57nETNXlT.aK5NG;_ ylu=X3oDMTNxYzAya2FpBG1pdANKdW1ib3Ryb24gTmV3c0ZQBH BrZwM3NmJhMmEzNy1jNmJjLTM2MTItOTM3OS0xNTY2YTI2NTM4 YWEEcG9zAzEEc2VjA2p1bWJvdHJvbgR2ZXIDYjVhZGEwMzAtYj FiNC0xMWUxLWE3ZmYtYWZlYzRjNWE0MjBj;_ylg=X3oDMTFxOT RvOWs2BGludGwDbnoEbGFuZwNlbi1uegRwc3RhaWQDBHBzdGNh dANuZXdzLW9waW5pb24EcHQDc2VjdGlvbnM-;_ylv=3)

"US President Barack Obama has urged European leaders to prevent a looming overseas debt crisis from dragging down the rest of the world.

He said Europeans must inject money into the banking system.

"The solutions to these problems are hard, but there are solutions," he said."

waaaaa ha ha ha haaaaaaaa...

There's a story in this thread about the ECB saying that they had a limitless supply of money to loan at 1%. Cheeky fucker given that it was an American housing bubble and American reckless lending that started the collapse in the first place. Ahhhh politics and knowing that the sheeple have a very short memory.

[mashman]

Under-fire UN summit issues environment, poverty blueprint (http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/world/14021767/under-fire-un-summit-issues-environment-poverty-blueprint/)

""Sustainable Development Goals" will replace the UN's Millennium Development Goals from 2015, although defining the aim will be left for future talks -- a process likely to be long and fiercely fought.""

"The Millennium Development Goals (MDGs) are eight international development goals that all 193 United Nations member states and at least 23 international organizations have agreed to achieve by the year 2015. The goals are:

eradicating extreme poverty and hunger," (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennium_Development_Goals)

It looks like they have admitted to failure and to top it off they don't seem to have learned their lesson either and need more money :facepalm:... and this is the best we have? :killingme... FFS my kids could do a better job!

And just to underpin the importance of such summits "Absentees included US President Barack Obama, Russian President Vladimir Putin, Chancellor Angela Merkel of Germany and British Prime Minister David Cameron."

[mashman]

Local Govt Act Amendment Bill 'ill-considered and anti-community' (http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/14025591/local-govt-act-amendment-bill-ill-considered-and-anti-community/)...

I'm sure it's all just hysteria and means absolutely nothing... but just in case, I thought it deserved a mention

[mashman]

$6.7million dollar treaty move 'makes no sense' (http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/14108024/6-7million-dollar-treaty-move-makes-no-sense/)... "The cost of the new space is nearly as much as the total savings from the merger of the National Library and Archives New Zealand into Internal Affairs over the next four years."

bwaaaaa ha ha ha haaaaaaaa. Dickheads.

[mashman]

Why does the Bank of England keep printing more money? (http://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/why-does-the-bank-of-england-keep-printing-more-money.html)

"Over the last three years an extra £375billion has been pumped into the economy, but things keep getting worse.

Our economy is on its knees. We are in the first double dip recession since the 1970s and it looks like growth is going to remain fairly lacklustre for the rest of the year, so will the Bank of England’s (BOE) latest bout of quantitative easing (QE) be enough to stimulate the economy?

The signs don’t look good. Since the BOE first embarked on QE in March 2009 the economy has barely grown and the number of people claiming unemployment has actually risen. So why did the Bank of England bother with pumping another £50billion into the UK’s financial system, when it seems like the return on the £325billion of QE they had done before this didn’t lead to much to bang for the Bank’s buck?

So what are they trying to do?

To answer this question we need to find out what QE is. The way some of the politicians describe QE you would think that the Bank prints more money, which then goes directly into the average Joe’s pocket. This is NOT what QE is.

QE essentially gives money to banks. “Don’t banks get enough money already?” I hear people cry. Banker bashing is turning into a bit of a national past-time in the UK, especially with the Barclay’s Libor-fixing furore; so does more QE add fuel to the fire?

Yes and no. Although the Bank of England is considered the “captain” of the economy, tasked with steering the UK economy through the good times and the bad times, its tools to do this are limited. If we stretch the shipping analogy a little further, then the UK economy is the middle of the perfect storm.

First there was the financial crisis and the implosion of the US housing market in 2007/08, then there was the sovereign debt crisis in Europe that continues to rage. Added to that the myth of an end to “boom and bust” economics in the UK that was perpetuated by former PM Gordon Brown, meant that we saved nothing in the good times and instead spent like crazy and now have to embark on a harsh austerity programme that is denting our own growth. The UK economy is up the creek without a paddle, and there is only so much the Bank of England can do.

It has already cut interest rates to a record low of 0.5%, which still hasn’t helped us out of this mess. The other way it can try and boost the economy is to try and get banks’ lending again.

The basis for more “stimulative” monetary policy is that people will invest in upgrading their businesses or starting new ones if credit is: 1) cheap and 2) plentiful.

This creates wealth, jobs and hopefully consumer spending that can boost growth down the road – in theory. These are the conditions that the Bank of England is trying to create with more QE. However, something funny is going on: Ever more money is being pumped to the banks so it trickles down to the “real” economy, not just the virtual economy of the financial markets. But this is not happening.

The latest Bank of England data on credit conditions in the UK paints a bleak picture. The total number of loans extended by banks to UK businesses in May fell by 1.7%. Other ways to raise finance, like offering bonds in the capital markets, have picked up slightly since the start of this year, but not by enough to negate the consequences of tight bank lending conditions. Consumer credit is slightly better, its annual growth rate in May was 2.4%, but this is still much lower than the 6.4% annual growth rate back in 2008.

Why isn’t it working?

So why isn’t the money flowing down to the businesses that need it? This is where it is easy to blame bankers, but to do so would not be entirely fair. Banks like lending – especially if they can borrow at cheap rates and lend at higher rates.

However, in this environment demand for lending is also weak. When confidence is low and people are worried about losing their jobs or not getting enough orders in to keep their business afloat for the next six months, they are unlikely to want to expand or borrow money if they don’t think they can pay it back.

So part of the reason that QE doesn’t work is because people don’t actually want to borrow.

The other reason is that banks have been faced with a wave of new regulation in recent years and being urged to hold large amounts of cash - called capital buffers - to protect them in case the economy gets even worse or the eurozone sovereign debt crisis deteriorates further.

While the Government is urging banks to lend, the regulators are telling them to be cautious and build up a tsunami-resistant rainy-day fund. Thus, banks are only going to lend to the highest quality borrowers in this environment, and when lending standards are tightened and bank managers’ risk aversion levels are high, this doesn’t help the economy.

What’s QE actually doing then?

If these extra billions aren’t flowing into the real economy they must be stuck in the “virtual financial economy” I mentioned above.

This economy is the world of stocks, bonds and commodities. Cash from QE is thought to seep into these markets propping up oil, stocks and bond prices rather than benefitting the “real” economy.

Since reaching a low in March 2009, the S&P 500 stock index in the US has more than doubled in value. The FTSE 100 is also 60% higher and UK Gilts – Government bonds – have seen their price rise by a third. Commodities have also benefited, with oil, gold and agricultural prices tending to rise when more QE is pumped into the economy.

If you are a stock or bond investor and you have your money in these markets then QE has been great for you. For everyone else they have seen QE erode their income even more by pushing up commodity prices.

With or without the latest injection of QE from the Bank, it’s unlikely to help the UK economy any time soon."

WOW, what a surprise.

[mashman]

America Heading Towards a Collapse Worse Than 2008 AND Europe! Says Peter Schiff (http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/breakout/america-heading-towards-collapse-worse-2008-europe-says-155504860.html)

"According to CEO and Chief Global Strategist of Euro Pacific Capital Peter Schiff, the U.S. economy is heading for an economic crash that will make 2008 look like a walk in the park. Stimulus programs can delay this day of reckoning, but only for so long and only at the expense of making the eventual meltdown much, much worse.
Schiff, who famously warned investors about the housing and financial crisis in his 2007 book Crash Proof, says the Fed's palliative efforts during the housing meltdown have made the next crisis inevitable."

Wonder where this will end up.

Midwest drought shows little sign of abating (http://news.yahoo.com/worst-drought-since-1956-shrivels-corn-soy-crops-001346529.html)

At least there'll be an excuse for food prices rising

[puddytat]

Surely a system based on Debt is the problem & then you add the futures market & it all gets rather unreal. People are slowly realising this & hence no one really wants to borrow more.
I reckon ban futures trading. Go the Libertarian way & work from a credit based system, where the onus is on achieving a plus, not on how much debt you can afford to juggle. Its purely speculation as it is now.
Also I think that people over the last few decades have munched on the dangling carrot till theres none left,hence we are over exploiting people & the planet......So if the onus was placed on people actually having the capacity to save & way harder criteria to actually be able to borrow, it might help them to wean themselves of this "Now" system & actually have to wait until they have the money in the bank to buy stuff. Who would lose? The Banks. Who can afford to? They can.
But hey, what do I know.
I worked out at school in Econmics (when I wasnt perving at Ms Cashmore) that if you owe more than your worth you are fucked when the cookie crumbles....hence no debt for me.I am lucky that if it turns to custard I just need to worry about my council rates.
I feel for the people who are along for the ride.

[schrodingers cat]

I worked out at school in Econmics (when I wasnt perving at Ms Cashmore) that if you owe more than your worth you are fucked when the cookie crumbles....hence no debt for me.I am lucky that if it turns to custard I just need to worry about my council rates.


Trouble is, when the madness is widespread enough the crash will take you down too.
My parents were of a generation that believed (and taught me) to only get stuff when I could pay for it. I do see their point.

[puddytat]

Yep youre right Schrodey, I am under no illusions that it wont affect me.But everyone can try to do something to help themselves.Im lucky that in the community I live in (not the hippie type but there are a few of us here) that we have a good healthy community with many people who are actively making my town self reliant i.e we are lucky enough to have a small hospital,an awesome volunteer fire brigade & St.John,top class search & rescue team, 2 great policeman,a multitude of skilled people that comes with a rural community,lots of Guns, Gold in the river & alot of folk have a vege garden. Its 120km to the nearest city & because of its remoteness & being in Earthquake zone A people realise that our links to the outside world are not guaranteed.
So if it does turn to custard then really, I just need to concentrate on surviving & not have to rely on an income to cover debt....cool .

[mashman]

Surely a system based on Debt is the problem & then you add the futures market & it all gets rather unreal. People are slowly realising this & hence no one really wants to borrow more.
I reckon ban futures trading. Go the Libertarian way & work from a credit based system, where the onus is on achieving a plus, not on how much debt you can afford to juggle. Its purely speculation as it is now.
Also I think that people over the last few decades have munched on the dangling carrot till theres none left,hence we are over exploiting people & the planet......So if the onus was placed on people actually having the capacity to save & way harder criteria to actually be able to borrow, it might help them to wean themselves of this "Now" system & actually have to wait until they have the money in the bank to buy stuff. Who would lose? The Banks. Who can afford to? They can.
But hey, what do I know.
I worked out at school in Econmics (when I wasnt perving at Ms Cashmore) that if you owe more than your worth you are fucked when the cookie crumbles....hence no debt for me.I am lucky that if it turns to custard I just need to worry about my council rates.
I feel for the people who are along for the ride.

I honestly wish I could see a financial system working out for people, but I can't. I've tried my best to do things properly, only buy what we have money in the bank for and the only debt we have is the house and whilst it's a shitter that some people borrow to have what they want, some people steal and some people just take handouts, tis the value associated with all of these acts that causes the "resentment". Unfortunately these acts have a financial value associated with them, irrespective of whether it's you, me, the career bludger or the businessman, each of our financial failings has a knock on effect... some more than others... and around and around we go, as you say exploiting the people and the planet. It makes no sense to me, anymore, to have a financial system if it does more harm than good and even with a credit system I can't see things changing. We'll still have consumerism, we'll still have those who are more "talented/driven" than others taking what they consider to be a fair value for their effort. That's why I figure that if you remove money from the equation, we may actually have a shot at moving forwards and may well be able to educate the next generation in cooperation instead of out and out warring competition. we don't exactly set a good example and we give the next generation every reason to want to take short cuts.

I don't think it'll matter how self-sufficient we are when the cookie crumbles. If we're outnumbered when the come for our "stuff", then we're pretty screwed. I feel sorry for all of us NOW (snigger)... and I do hope you're correct in regards to the reasons why people aren't borrowing any more... but I guess that has it's own major downside. Fuck I wish we were as smart as we thought we are. Hey ho.

[mashman]

House to vote on Fed audit bill on Tuesday (http://news.yahoo.com/house-vote-fed-audit-bill-tuesday-205906009--business.html)

"The legislation proposed by Republican Representative Ron Paul, a long-time critic of the U.S. central bank and author of the book "End the Fed," has already gathered 274 co-sponsors, virtually guaranteeing passage."

This could get interesting...

[James Deuce]

There's a bit of a stink starting up in the US because the normal cycle of the Government paying for stuff until people can afford to buy stuff again seems to be broken. US citizens haven't gone back to their old spending habits like they usually do. Maybe this is simply an economic experiment to see if the standard of living can equalised on a global basis and it didn't factor in economic units who can think for themselves.

[mashman]

There's a bit of a stink starting up in the US because the normal cycle of the Government paying for stuff until people can afford to buy stuff again seems to be broken. US citizens haven't gone back to their old spending habits like they usually do. Maybe this is simply an economic experiment to see if the standard of living can equalised on a global basis and it didn't factor in economic units who can think for themselves.

I dunno about the experiment side of things, but tin foil hat :innocent:. I would have thought the almost constant negative economic news, probably everyone knowing someone that has either lost their job or house or both, some have probably taken pay cuts and not had a pay rise in a few years, possibly people have sold shares that they had to cover bills and have something to hand in the bank for a rainy day and on and on and on probably has more to do with it, consolidating what they have... praps recessions are a testing of the water as you say. Was JFK the last one to try and get around the Fed?

[mashman]

Super rich hold $32 trillion in offshore havens (http://nz.finance.yahoo.com/news/super-rich-hold-32-trillion-122808711.html)...

Hey, they've earned it and it doesn't do anyone any harm :killingme :crybaby: :killingme ... why should the govt get their thieving little hands on it, they'll only use it to give to bludgers and subsidise those who are structuring their affairs to minimize their tax obligation whilst getting themselves into a position where they too can get a govt handout :rofl: ... praps they'd like to buy a power company or 4, potentially an airline and iffen they're feeling real flush there's swathes of land just lying around waiting to be developed... the jobs they could generate and the money they could make bwaaaaa ha ha ha haaaaaaaaaa.

The trickle down affect: is isn't financial, it's the attitude of keep your filthy mits off of my cash. The sort of behaviour one would expect from a savage.

[Usarka]

Check out this advert if you haven't already.....

http://youtu.be/IKCJd1gKja8

[avgas]

Super rich hold $32 trillion in offshore havens (http://nz.finance.yahoo.com/news/super-rich-hold-32-trillion-122808711.html)...

Hey, they've earned it and it doesn't do anyone any harm :killingme :crybaby: :killingme ... why should the govt get their thieving little hands on it, they'll only use it to give to bludgers and subsidise those who are structuring their affairs to minimize their tax obligation whilst getting themselves into a position where they too can get a govt handout :rofl: ... praps they'd like to buy a power company or 4, potentially an airline and iffen they're feeling real flush there's swathes of land just lying around waiting to be developed... the jobs they could generate and the money they could make bwaaaaa ha ha ha haaaaaaaaaa.

The trickle down affect: is isn't financial, it's the attitude of keep your filthy mits off of my cash. The sort of behaviour one would expect from a savage.
Probably wouldn't see this happening if there was a cap as to how much tax you pay. Likewise I think you would see a decrease in crime if people had to work a little every day.
So seems both ends of the spectrum are wrong.

[mashman]

Check out this advert if you haven't already.....

http://youtu.be/IKCJd1gKja8

Heh, I saw a "doco" on Romney and his corporate raiding career served him well... but I'm sure he'll be a damned fine politician following in the footsteps of those excellent folk that have gone before him.


Probably wouldn't see this happening if there was a cap as to how much tax you pay. Likewise I think you would see a decrease in crime if people had to work a little every day.
So seems both ends of the spectrum are wrong.

Oh i dunno about that. Put a cap on something and "they" will still use them thar loopholes available to pay as little tax as possible. That may not be the case for all, but I doubt it'd make as much of a difference as you think... and where would the govt get their money from for the roads etc...
Aye, very true. Although I'd rather have 32 trillion in the economy as it may have been used to provide a little work for those, that commit crime, who are at the other end of the scale.

[mashman]

Germany, France pledge to protect euro (http://nz.finance.yahoo.com/news/germany-france-pledge-protect-euro-104806622.html)

"The statement, made after a telephone conversation between the two leaders on Friday, came a day after Mario Draghi, president of the European Central Bank, told business leaders in London that the ECB would do "whatever it takes" to preserve the euro and raised expectations that he could step in to lower the high borrowing costs that are crippling countries like Spain and Italy."

"Merkel and Hollande underlined the need to "implement quickly" decisions made by a European Union summit last month.

Those decisions included allowing Europe's bailout fund - once a new, independent bank supervisor is set up - to give money directly to a country's banks, rather than via the government. Countries that pledge to implement reforms demanded by the European Union's executive Commission also would be able to tap rescue funds without having to go through the kind of tough austerity measures demanded of Greece, Portugal and Ireland."

Yer only 5 years too late guys. 7 or 8 years if you include the foreplay. They gave the banks in England a huge wedge of cash and most of it ended up on the stock market and didn't trickle down. Wonder why they think the banks of any other country will be any different? Still, there looks to be an end in sight for the madness and we can move into the next round of guess which bubble will cause the next one. Stupid stupid people believing that money is the answer to problems that were caused by money in the first place :facepalm:.

[mashman]

The shape of things to come... U.S. loves cops and firefighters - but not their pensions (http://news.yahoo.com/u-loves-cops-firefighters-not-pensions-050706382.html)... no way in hell I'm voluntarily saving for a pension, not a chance! Live long and prosper :facepalm:

[mashman]

Wall St sees Knight as software risk wake-up call (http://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/wall-st-sees-knight-software-034201010.html)

It's hard not to snigger at this one. An article about financial software glitches and the chaos they cause with fucked up word spacing.

"T rading firms, market makers, brokers, investment banks , and exchanges and other trading venues are linked in a n etwork o f co mplex co mputer systems that co mpete to execute trades as fast as possible. That competition, combined with the never-ending array of new rules, forces ma r ket participants to constantly improve their systems."

"Wall Street banks and brokers are poring over their trading systems and rethinking the way they test software"... hint for ya fellas. As long as the numbers going in equal the numbers coming out, she be sweet. Unfortunately, or fortunately if you're the contractor, that means manual QA to mitigate the gigo factor. The 80/20 rule isn't close enough.

Chances that testing will be undertaken properly: Co mputer sa ys n o.