Ticket for going too slow

[rastuscat]

Hi Y'All

Here's why so few people get tickets for going too slow.

I was going north in my neenar at about 4.30 today. Neenar? It's blue and yellow, with red/blue lights on the roof. Nuff said.

I radared a car travelling south on SH1 out of Waikuku at 70 km/h. He was coming out of the Waikuku 80 kmh area. Behind him were 11 vehicles, the drivers of 3 of them waved frantically for me to do something about the dude holding them all up.

I whipped around behind the last of the 11, then used the blues n twos to force each of the 11 aside while I went after the car still travelling at 70 kmh, now in a 100 zone.

After creating mayhem to get to him, he eventually stopped, and I got a big mouthful about how I had driven dangerously to catch and stop him, and that I should go catch some burglars or rapists. Yes, pretty much all the shite that I get most days.

After he drove off, $150 poorer, I pondered why I bother, given the criticism I get for doing it, added to the criticism I get for not doing it.

So, should we do it or not?

Harumph.

[Dodgy_Matt]

Sorry dude but I believe you were right to pull him over,..
Its cagers like him that will cause accidents. People will get pissed off and pass him and sometimes in an unsafe manner.

[tigertim20]

Mate, Id like to see people travelling at 99km/hr get a ticket for holding me up, youll get no fucking complaints from me for ticketing slow cunts:blink:. Just' dont come up behind me, Or Ill mistake it for a race challenge, and it could all get a bit ugly.:innocent:

Seriously though, fuck'em all, people love to bitch 'bout how all you in your neenar's (neenars, love it!) are all a pack of cunts:violin:, but Im picking the job aint all a box of roses. Do your job, and laugh at the silly bastards who's tickets just got bigger because they failed the attitude test:yes:

[paturoa]

Absolutely yes for those travelling slow.

And you should have given the tail gaters a ticket too.

... ahh tail gaters.!

Its just getting crazy dangerous out there......

[nzmikey]

I am in favor of it if it is warranted . As in if there is someone that is doing 70kph in a 100kph zone they "may" cause problems for other drivers . people do stupid shit when they are stuck behind slow drivers & are unable to pass safely therefore causing an accident .
Yeah ok you can say that the person that pulled out & made the unsafe passing maneuver was at fault & should have waited untill it was safe to pass i.e a passing lane or a straight section of road but not all are like this ....... I hope

So yeah go for gold & pull him over :yes:

Out of interest , what does your little blue bible say ??:blink:

[tigertim20]

Sorry dude but I believe you were right to pull him over,..
Its cagers like him that will cause accidents. People will get pissed off and pass him and sometimes in an unsafe manner.

+1........................

[\m/]

Thanks for writing that cunt a ticket, can you come and patrol SH23 for a while? There has been a lot of slow drivers around here in the past few months. Really fucks me off in rush hour, traffic coming the other way means I'm often stuck behind the cunts for the whole trip.

[crystalball]

Its slow people like that which cause people (cage drivers) to overtake dangerously.

[Kickaha]

Its slow people like that which cause people (cage drivers) to overtake dangerously.

The person doing the "dangerous overtake" is ultimately responsible for those actions

A lot of the time it is the dickheads who sit behind the slow driver without making any attempt to pass that are just as bad

[st00ji]

you may have pissed off one muppet, but dollars to donuts the 11 people stuck behind said muppet now think you are the ducks nuts and probably were all cheering as you forced them aside.

i for one would like to salute you, and if you ever find yourself in auckland feel free to hit me up for a high five and a beer.

[Berries]

A lot of the time it is the dickheads who sit behind the slow driver without making any attempt to pass that are just as bad
Either shit or get off the pot is the saying isn't it? If you aren't confident to make a pass then leave a big gap so that other people can. And it also lets you see round the vehicle in front. I'd book these arseholes first, then the fourth car in line which will invariably be a Holden, and any riders who are sitting in line should have a three month ban for contributing to the problem.

If it is the weekend I would pull the driver out of the first car, and his passenger, make them kneel on the centreline in front of all the other people they held up then shoot them in the head before hanging them from the next overbridge as a lesson.

I'd then put the Police dog in their car to quieten the children down.

Holiday weekends would get a bit messy.


So, should we do it or not?
I am surprised that a bit of criticism is getting to you. What do people say when you give them a ticket for 108km/h? Thank you?

[nadroj]

I don't see slow as a crime (90 in a 100, unless you are a baiting neenar), however impeding the flow of traffic by not being aware of those behind you and getting safetly out of their way is.
The emphasis should be on all around awareness rather than that in your front third vision.

In other words "USE YOR FFUCKEN MIRRORS" and act on what you see!

[scroter]

As a truck driver who rarely goes much above 90 and still I cant seem to stop catching cars I applaud you and ask you to kindly continue fighting the good fight and ticket all those horrible slow annoying fecking drivers.
To all those cars disrupting the peace with there snail pace, If you got a truck up your arse then stand on the loud pedal, no truck can go faster than a car anywhere.
Thanks again, top work.

[Berries]

and truck drivers.

[bsasuper]

A copper asking advice on here:shit:,its no wonder we are getting screwed on the roads.

[TimeOut]

Bling sent, enough said

[nzspokes]

Hi Y'All

Here's why so few people get tickets for going too slow.

I was going north in my neenar at about 4.30 today. Neenar? It's blue and yellow, with red/blue lights on the roof. Nuff said.

I radared a car travelling south on SH1 out of Waikuku at 70 km/h. He was coming out of the Waikuku 80 kmh area. Behind him were 11 vehicles, the drivers of 3 of them waved frantically for me to do something about the dude holding them all up.

I whipped around behind the last of the 11, then used the blues n twos to force each of the 11 aside while I went after the car still travelling at 70 kmh, now in a 100 zone.

After creating mayhem to get to him, he eventually stopped, and I got a big mouthful about how I had driven dangerously to catch and stop him, and that I should go catch some burglars or rapists. Yes, pretty much all the shite that I get most days.

After he drove off, $150 poorer, I pondered why I bother, given the criticism I get for doing it, added to the criticism I get for not doing it.

So, should we do it or not?

Harumph.

Nah he deserved it. Yes I know you guys catch some crap, Ive got a few mates that are cops but have moved off traffic etc. Now they seem to get it from crims and from above. :facepalm:

On another point, what are your thoughts on 70k limit for L platers?? Im there now and if I stuck to 70 I would have been squashed a few times.

[george formby]

Oh happy day!
If a driver is discourteous enough to tootle along well below the open road limit holding up a queue of increasingly irate road users they should be stung. I would also recommend that they be forced to resit their test, the dawdlers are usually the ones who cross the centre line on corners, fail to indicate & spend more time looking at the person in the passenger seat (wearing a hat) than the road.

Following such drivers I often wonder what their reaction times are like, hazard awareness & general attitude to driving. If they are oblivious to holding up traffic their is a serious rabbit off.

Oh, don't forget to ticket them when they accelerate from 70kmh to 110kmh on an overtaking lane too.

[MSTRS]

Ticket for going too slow? No such thing.

Surely it is for 'obstructing traffic'?

...just saying...

[Spearfish]

Lets hope the guy who was ticketed hadn't just let a bunch if impatient wankers past a few k's before and a new group of wankers, who seem to have to travel in groups, just happen to start tailgating before a safe place was found to let them pass.
Poor bastard .....

:jerry:

[MD]

Mate, Id like to see people travelling at 99km/hr get a ticket


And you should have given the tail gaters a ticket too.




The emphasis should be on all around awareness rather than that in your front third vision.

In other words "USE YOR FFUCKEN MIRRORS" and act on what you see!

Yes, Yes, Yes to all the above.
95kph has become the new normal and it pisses me off Bring back the old normal..whatever you could get away with

[CRF119]

I think you did the right thing. I got a ticket for doing a 115kph in a passing lane because i was sick of the dick in the land rover going slow until passing lanes. (I was driving a car at the time) The police officer asked why i passed when he was doing 100kph at the time. I told him and he just said "So your frustrated" i said well yea. I was going to give him the no body can drive 100kph these days speech and New Zealand roads are frustrating to drive on speech but i had places to be. Since these TV adds and radio adds have come out slower drivers are increasing they think that as soon as they hit 101kph they are going to die or kill. If i was police officer id concentrate on the slower drivers because 1 slower driver makes other drivers pass which is when accidents happen.

If you cant drive at the speed limit then take the dam bus!

[Spearfish]

Oh, don't forget to ticket them when they accelerate from 70kmh to 110kmh on an overtaking lane too.

+1
A steady speed can be dealt with easier than trying to get past a driver who has a weight distribution problem when one of the rocks in his head rolls down to his feet at overtaking zones.

[merv]

Perfect, you are our hero enforcing the other important part of the speed laws.

Now if I could get the :Police: in Wellington to encourage drivers to keep left when not overtaking on the motorway we will have reached a new level of nirvana.

[ellipsis]

....I suppose age has a lot to do with the changing values that occur in the thinking dept;...having lived on SHW 75 for 20+ years and it being my "driveway", I have come to expect the unexpected at all times whilst on it...the GP riders who unless they are trying to actually kill me are just part of the deal...clowns who have a licence to drive but have'nt got the skills to get round corners, whether it be too fast or too slow are more prevalent know than they were...and the slow old couple off for a jaunt in a fairly modern, small jappy or even a newish commodore are pretty much the same as some years back, sometimes you wonder why they didn't stick with the Morry 1100...if you are in a hurry or know that the extra 5 minutes you lose will make you late for that important meeting. they can be very annoying and often elicit extreme profanities and words that would not be acceptable to normal public speaking....anyway, I have found that as I approach an age closer to theirs I have become a little more acceptant of their style of driving...there is a straight bit somewhere in the next few k's and if nothing is heading your way, they are a slow memory in the past....the ones that I believe to be more of a danger are the followers who do not think or have the patience to put it all in perspective and figure out that their tailgating, shunting, dangerous overtaking is a thousand times worse than the slow drivers....predominantly in my part of the world the dangerous clowns are in a 4x4's, have a bunch of kids roped in and are probably only late for an important date with a shopping trolley or are a young male in a ratty old jappy...acting somewhat like me, 40 years ago...

[Supertwin Don]

I hope this 70kph character was on/over the centreline, and actually obstructing those behind him - if he wasn't, what was the charge?

Car or bike, the speed limit is the MAXIMUM speed allowed - if I don't want to travel at the MAXIMUM speed, I move over as far as I can (without going on to the shoulder) so that those who DO want to travel faster, can. In my experience, it's the second or third car in the line that is the problem, in this case, a 30km speed difference should be more than sufficient for a competent driver to make a safe overtake UNLESS the road/traffic conditions prevent.:gob:

[FJRider]

I hope this 70kph character was on/over the centreline, and actually obstructing those behind him - if he wasn't, what was the charge?


To Impede the flow of traffic is an offence ...

[Kickaha]

- if I don't want to travel at the MAXIMUM speed, I move over as far as I can (without going on to the shoulder) so that those who DO want to travel faster, can.

Most people aren't as courteous

[Mom]

*Hobby Horse Alert*


I personally think that the PTB have it all wrong, have done so for many years. They say speed kills, that in itself is not true, it is what happens to you when you stop/lose control that kills you.

Frankly, the number of times I have seen frustrated drivers overtake in the most incredibly dangerous situations, and get away with it astounds me. The reason they got impatient...

A very slow driver up ahead. I really wish more attention was paid to drivers that travel at well less than the open road speed limit targeted and ticketed for inconsiderate driving. Problem is we are still being spoon fed the "slow down" message.

On the open road up here you would be lucky to be able to travel 100 kph at any time. The skill levels of so many road users is appaling. Get off the motorway and woah! Nope, can not go faster than 80, am about shitting in corners at 70.

Where the fuck is plod when that happens?

Up here...

3 cars, lined up in a layby with a radar aimed at the exit of the tunnels. In the dark, no lights on. Impossible to see. Hauling over drivers that have exited the tunnels in excess of 80kph and issuing infrigements for being naughty. 5 kilometres up the road, drivers are taking undue risks to overtake "MR 65 kph on corners driver" who cant drive for shit! We have so many accidents up here, sadly a few are fatal. Some will be total fool hardiness/piss head driver etc, but I believe some will also be as a result of Mr/Mrs I have never had an accident in my life driver, that simply does not have the skills to be out on our roads.


Off my soap box now...

[Scuba_Steve]

going fast (not dangerously excessive) affects no-one else, people going slow hold up everyone else, cause congestion, road rage & bring on stupid passing maneuvers plus you'll generally find they can't drive for shit. They are a danger to everyone you do good to get these people and you should concentrate your efforts on them.

While the driver may not have been happy with you I guarantee those 11 behind would be thanking you for finally ticketing a bad driver & doing all road users a favor, unfortunately tho like always as fines don't work he won't have learnt his lesson but hey at-least he might speed up round cops now

[fokky]

I pondered why I bother, given the criticism I get for doing it, added to the criticism I get for not doing it.

.

AWWW poor little you:violin: Isnt that what our taxes pay you for? Maybe you need some councelling or a hug..:crybaby:

[Dodgy_Matt]

AWWW poor little you:violin: Isnt that what our taxes pay you for? Maybe you need some councelling or a hug..:crybaby:
Your a great help Kock boy.... :shutup:

Did you get a ticket today...?

[Mom]

Did you get a ticket today...?

Yeah, we need trolls though, they keep things lively :sunny:

I went out today. My lovely man runs a learner/newbie ride at the moment. I usually ride TEC. I love being at the back of the ride. I wear a very loud Fluro/reflective vest, and I am not intimidated by wanking cagers.

We dont as a rule hold up too many people, and mostly the ones we do hold up respect what we are doing. The ones that dont respect what we are doing usually are on 2 wheels :dodge:

Being respectful when you are travelling less than the open road speed limit is a far cry from the ones that think they are going too fast at 80 kph and piss other road users off.

[fokky]

Your a great help Kock boy.... :shutup:

Did you get a ticket today...?

yip...gunna give me a hug?

[Dodgy_Matt]

yip...gunna give me a hug?

if you like I can give you and RNC :love:

[not2slow]

Slow bastards piss me off :2guns: especially those drivers that like to dawdle along at 70km/h in a 100km zone and then manage to find their accelerators at overtaking lanes, speed up to 100km/h and then slow down as soon as the overtaking lanes merge! The neenar :Police: should smash over those slow coaches more often and people should learn to drive at or near the speed limit, look in their mirrors and move out the frick'in way :ar15:

[steve_t]

Thought you'd have some thick skin by now, Rastuscat... :yes::scooter:

[sidecar bob]

I had a cop chase me for 7km after dark a few weeks back, it would have been 1km, but he didnt put his lights on "in case I did a runner" He then proceded to accuse me of doing a runner & riding dangerously, after chasing me at what can only have been well more than 160k, passing into oncoming traffic with his flashing lights off in the dark.

[Toaster]

Hi Y'All

Here's why so few people get tickets for going too slow.

....

After he drove off, $150 poorer, I pondered why I bother, given the criticism I get for doing it, added to the criticism I get for not doing it.

So, should we do it or not?

Harumph.

Given the job and the uniform you are always subject to observation and inevitable criticism mate. Just let it wash off you. The losers just aren't worth another thought.

Good on you for doing the job right and dealing with an annoyance I am sure ALL of us also hate.

Keep up the good work. It is appreciated by us frustrated motorists stuck all too often behind selfish drivers who are often too lazy or too self-interested and arrogant to pull over for others.

Remember you still win.... not matter what he said to you, he still got a ticket.

[Swoop]

Nice work.


Now please come up to D'Auckland and fill your boots with retarded ingrates that bimble along in the centre and right-hand lanes.
:yes:

[rastuscat]

Ticket for going too slow? No such thing.

Surely it is for 'obstructing traffic'?

...just saying...

Totally correct. The offence is "Slow vehicle or inconsiderate driving impeded traffic"

I called it a ticket for going too slow coz that's what it was.

My bad.

[rastuscat]

Thought you'd have some thick skin by now, Rastuscat... :yes::scooter:

Just the thick skin between my ears.

[rastuscat]

AWWW poor little you:violin: Isnt that what our taxes pay you for? Maybe you need some councelling or a hug..:crybaby:

Poor widdle Fokky, upset by the big bad Popo wuz we?

No your taxes pay me to enforce the law, not to put up with trash talk like we do. We put up with the trash for free. I'd come in on my days off if I was allowed to dish some back, but apparently we have to take it, and not give some back.

One of my troops just processed a drink driver in North Canterbury, the tosser spent the whole time banging on about how much of an injustice it was, how he's a better driver after a few drinks, the usual bollocks. My soldier just sat there, did what was necessary, handed him his court documents and saw him off the premises. One day we'll be allowed to dish some back, just not now.

I actually don't expect my troops to be automatons. If they dish some back now and again I can understand why. I can't (officially) agree to it, but I can sure understand it.

Please email the hugs via Heidi Klum, I'll accept hugs from her anytime.

[tigertim20]

I hope this 70kph character was on/over the centreline, and actually obstructing those behind him - if he wasn't, what was the charge?

Car or bike, the speed limit is the MAXIMUM speed allowed - if I don't want to travel at the MAXIMUM speed, I move over as far as I can (without going on to the shoulder) so that those who DO want to travel faster, can. In my experience, it's the second or third car in the line that is the problem, in this case, a 30km speed difference should be more than sufficient for a competent driver to make a safe overtake UNLESS the road/traffic conditions prevent.:gob:
give mom her soapbox back!

To Impede the flow of traffic is an offence ...
Zing!

Most people aren't as courteous
precisely

yip...gunna give me a hug?

only if you agree to be little spoon

[fokky]

Poor widdle Fokky, upset by the big bad Popo wuz we?

Not really, he was ok.I d be walkin if he was an arse and pinged me for everything.

Was just sayin.........if you a pig you get shit...part of the job:yes:

[Maha]

Should happen more.
We were in a line of about maybe 15 cars heading out of Paeroa.
A six meter camper bus was in charge that day. An H/P car was also part of the line.
There are long straigh bits on the road between Paeroa and SH27 but you can pass, there is nowhere to slot in. You are governed by a non caring and oblivious road user up fron doing 70kph.
The Cop finally got the chance to leap frog his way to the front and haul said cock breath over. By the time we had got to the Bus/Cop, the cop was standing along the bus waving his arms around at the driver...thats how long the line behind him was.

[racefactory]

Yes absolutely. There are an unbelievable amount of Asians driving dangerously slow, all the time oblivious to the near accidents they are causing around them.

Thanks for ticketing him. That's quality, good revenue for our country.

[Scuba_Steve]

Poor widdle Fokky, upset by the big bad Popo wuz we?

No your taxes pay me to enforce the law, not to put up with trash talk like we do. We put up with the trash for free. I'd come in on my days off if I was allowed to dish some back, but apparently we have to take it, and not give some back.

One of my troops just processed a drink driver in North Canterbury, the tosser spent the whole time banging on about how much of an injustice it was, how he's a better driver after a few drinks, the usual bollocks. My soldier just sat there, did what was necessary, handed him his court documents and saw him off the premises. One day we'll be allowed to dish some back, just not now.

I actually don't expect my troops to be automatons. If they dish some back now and again I can understand why. I can't (officially) agree to it, but I can sure understand it.

Please email the hugs via Heidi Klum, I'll accept hugs from her anytime.

hey if I'm ever round your ways feel free to dish some back, I'd appreciate it & hey it might make some of those PIGs/cops out there in the force seem a little human. You & scummy seem alright as far as cops go but by god is there some uptight "drongos" in the cop shop, some PIGs/cops just need to calm da fuck down

[Berries]

The solution, of course, is to get a motorbike.

[bsasuper]

Its more cost effective to have 3 cops parked up playing with radar guns than actually patrol the roads, stopping slow drivers and expaining without tickets what they are causing.Its all about $$$.

[MSTRS]

Totally correct. The offence is "Slow vehicle or inconsiderate driving impeded traffic"

I called it a ticket for going too slow coz that's what it was.

My bad.

Just being pedantic. "Too slow" or "impeding traffic" amounts to the same thing.
Tis a revenue area that needs more attention...but in the right circumstances.
My old man got one of those between Blenheim and Kaikoura. He was in a VW combi, it was at night and it was blowing a gale - the only other car on the road was the cop behind him.

[Kickaha]

if you a pig you get shit...part of the job:yes:
They should be allowed to taser any cunt who gives them any, if you're fucking dumb enough to get caught suck it up cause you're the one that fucked up


some PIGs/cops just need to calm da fuck down
So do the some members of the public


Its all about $$$.
I din't realise there were still people stupid enough to think that

Can you explain the reduction in dollars given for fines if it's all about $$$

[Jack Miller]

Hi Y'All
...I radared a car travelling south on SH1 out of Waikuku at 70 km/h. He was coming out of the Waikuku 80 kmh area. Behind him were 11 vehicles, the drivers of 3 of them waved frantically for me to do something about the dude holding them all up.

I whipped around behind the last of the 11, then used the blues n twos to force each of the 11 aside while I went after the car still travelling at 70 kmh, now in a 100 zone.

After creating mayhem to get to him, he eventually stopped, and I got a big mouthful about how I had driven dangerously to catch and stop him, and that I should go catch some burglars or rapists. Yes, pretty much all the shite that I get most days.

After he drove off, $150 poorer, I pondered why I bother, given the criticism I get for doing it, added to the criticism I get for not doing it.

So, should we do it or not?

Harumph.

Absolutely YES! The illegal, disingenuous, expensive and ineffective war on speed has had an additional nasty side effect, albeit perhaps unintended: Slow drivers, impressed by the "faster you go bigger the mess" bullshit, over the top speed camera deployment and the rest of this stupid war have come to believe that they can go as slow as they like. Furthermore, they believe that they are doing a good thing by making others slow down! They need to learn that this is illegal and they have to stop impeding other people.

If you'd also pulled over those of the 11 followers who were neither attempting to pass nor leaving space for others to pass, which breaches S7.17(2), I'd be nominating you for canonisation. "Saint Rastuscat", what do you think?

The abuse is part of the job. On this occasion you have my sympathies. If you'd told us you'd done nothing in response to the situation my abuse would have been far fuller, louder and condemnatory. You did the right thing. Thanks.

[Kickaha]

Slow drivers, impressed by the "faster you go bigger the mess" bullshit, over the top speed camera deployment and the rest of this stupid war have come to believe that they can go as slow as they like.

Bullshit, this crap has been happening as long as I have held a licence

[FJRider]

Can you explain the reduction in dollars given for fines if it's all about $$$

Because the people can afford to pay the speeding fines ... (if you cant don't speed ... or bitch about it) :rockon:

But most can't afford to lose their licence ... due to demerits ... :facepalm:

Sitting on 80 or 90 demerits has a calming effect on your driving style ... :innocent:

[Jack Miller]

I think you did the right thing. I got a ticket for doing a 115kph in a passing lane because i was sick of the dick in the land rover going slow until passing lanes. (I was driving a car at the time) The police officer asked why i passed when he was doing 100kph at the time. I told him and he just said "So your frustrated" i said well yea. I was going to give him the no body can drive 100kph these days speech and New Zealand roads are frustrating to drive on speech but i had places to be. Since these TV adds and radio adds have come out slower drivers are increasing they think that as soon as they hit 101kph they are going to die or kill. If i was police officer id concentrate on the slower drivers because 1 slower driver makes other drivers pass which is when accidents happen.

If you cant drive at the speed limit then take the dam bus!

In those circumstances you have a better than average chance of getting off if you fight it - I did. It is illegal to speed up when someone is trying to pass you. It is reasonable for the overtaker to assume that the overtakee won't speed up because it is illegal. It is also reasonable that an overtaker will be watching the road not the speedo at the time. If you exceeded 100 kph while overtaking someone who sped up while you're doing it your speeding was an unintended consequence of a situation on the road that was not of your making.

[Kickaha]

Because the people can afford to pay the speeding fines ... (if you cant don't speed ... or bitch about it) :rockon:
If that was the case it would be better off for them to scrap demerits to keep the speeders on the roads and make even more money from them



Sitting on 80 or 90 demerits has a calming effect on your driving style ... :innocent:
I wouldn't know, I haven't been dumb enough to get that many, until two years ago I hadn't even had any




In those circumstances you have a better than average chance of getting off if you fight it - I did. It is illegal to speed up when someone is trying to pass you. It is reasonable for the overtaker to assume that the overtakee won't speed up because it is illegal. It is also reasonable that an overtaker will be watching the road not the speedo at the time. If you exceeded 100 kph while overtaking someone who sped up while you're doing it your speeding was an unintended consequence of a situation on the road that was not of your making.

Nothing stopping you from slowing back down and pulling back behind them, unless of course the cars behind you have already filled the gap

In 1988 I was in court for "careless use causing injury" (case dismissed) and a guy got done for speeding up as people were trying to pass, he'd done it to a couple of vehicles down the straight heading to the Weka pass

If someone does it then bloody report it same as slow fucks holding up traffic

[Jack Miller]

+1
A steady speed can be dealt with easier than trying to get past a driver who has a weight distribution problem when one of the rocks in his head rolls down to his feet at overtaking zones.

One solution that is being put forward for the new Land Transport Safety Strategy (new because the old one didn't work) is to make the left passing lane narrower. These rock-brained drivers don't drive consciously, so they need subconscious clues. They speed up in today's passing lanes because they are wide and generally straight, which makes them feel safer. There is little conscious thought that get's into these drivers' decision-making. The alternative to such self-explaining-roads solutions is to ban every rocks-for-brains person from driving. Perhaps this is why we already provide drivers for MP's.

[scumdog]

Its slow people like that which cause people (cage drivers) to overtake dangerously.

CAUSE? cause? I don't think they 'cause' anything sunshine.

So what is so important in YOUR life that you're prepared to risk your life and that of others to get there maybe five minutes quicker than you would following the slower car??

[Kickaha]

So what is so important in YOUR life that you're prepared to risk your life and that of others to get there maybe five minutes quicker than you would following the slower car??

Everything is more important in my life than waiting to be able to pass safely, go back to persecuting innocent motorists and stop trying to talk sense :bleh:

[Jack Miller]

...and the slow old couple off for a jaunt in a fairly modern, small jappy or even a newish commodore are pretty much the same as some years back, sometimes you wonder why they didn't stick with the Morry 1100...if you are in a hurry or know that the extra 5 minutes you lose will make you late for that important meeting. they can be very annoying and often elicit extreme profanities and words that would not be acceptable to normal public speaking....anyway, I have found that as I approach an age closer to theirs I have become a little more acceptant of their style of driving...there is a straight bit somewhere in the next few k's and if nothing is heading your way, they are a slow memory in the past....

EXCEPT that, based on past experience you know they will speed up when they get to the straight bit. Probably not vindictively or even consciously, rather it will be simply because they can see further ahead, the road will be a bit wider as well as straighter, and they'll feel safer. But they WILL speed up and it won't be easy to get past. You'll probably have to exceed 100 to do it safely and if a cop is hiding up the road it'll cost you half an hour's roadside "education" and $150, which is more cause for "profanities and words that would not be acceptable to normal public speaking."

[bsasuper]

If it wasnt about the $$, then we would have an awsome public transport system, less people driving cars having accidents etc, but we dont.If it wasnt about the $$ the popo would have unlimited $$, but they dont so they choose to spend a large portion of $$ on stuff like latest radar guns, 100K+ for each speed camera van, for..........more $$.The only way a camera van will stop a person exceeding the posted speed limit is if the operator fails to enguage the hand brake etc and it rolls into traffic, which will cost...........more $$

[Jack Miller]

I hope this 70kph character was on/over the centreline, and actually obstructing those behind him - if he wasn't, what was the charge?

Car or bike, the speed limit is the MAXIMUM speed allowed - if I don't want to travel at the MAXIMUM speed, I move over as far as I can (without going on to the shoulder) so that those who DO want to travel faster, can. In my experience, it's the second or third car in the line that is the problem, in this case, a 30km speed difference should be more than sufficient for a competent driver to make a safe overtake UNLESS the road/traffic conditions prevent.:gob:

WRONG. According to Section 1.6 of the Land Transport Road User Rule: so long as it is "reasonably useable for the time being" the shoulder is part of the roadway.

If you are travelling at less than the speed limit and cars are following you have to pull over and let them past:
"If a driver’s speed, when driving, is such as to impede the normal and reasonable flow of traffic, that driver must, as soon as is reasonably practicable, move the vehicle as far as practicable to the left side of the roadway when this is necessary to allow following traffic to pass."
Land Transport Road User Rule 2004 S2.1(2):

[Jack Miller]

Bullshit, this crap has been happening as long as I have held a licence

I'm seeing more of it, and even more virulent forms like people deliberately moving into the right hand lane when someone approaches from behind, then hitting their brakes, then pulling left if the person tries to get past on the inside.

[Jack Miller]

...I haven't been dumb enough to get that many (demerit points), until two years ago I hadn't even had any
...
I'm curious, what changed in the last 2 years, your driving style or enforcement?

[Jack Miller]

Nothing stopping you from slowing back down and pulling back behind them, unless of course the cars behind you have already filled the gap

Just like the cop on the road you have missed the point. With several other things going on at the same time it is possible not to notice that the vehicle you're overtaking has sped up and, given that speeding up while being is overtaken is illegal it's not reasonable to punish someone for not noticing it, or for reacting to it. On a modern bike it's easy not to notice - the difference between 100 and 120 on my bike is about 1 degree of throttle twist.

It goes like this: I'm following a driver doing 80; I get to a passing lane and pull out to pass; The passing lane is long enough for me to get past easily with a 20kph speed differential; I twist the right hand & time my maneuver so I'll be past towards the end of the lane; I check my mirrors; the passing lane is on a bend so I look ahead; a queue of cars is coming towards me; I watch it closely to make sure none of them pull into my lane in frustration; I check my mirrors again; I check the approaching queue again; mirrors; bend; queue; mirrors; queue...; I maintain my speed to be past towards the end of the lane; the overtakee has sped up; concentrating on everything else I don't notice this, my right hand just moves further than it would if he hadn't; I arrive safely past at the originally planned position; one of the approaching vehicles is a cop; the cop U turns, chases me and issues a ticket; I try and explain all this to the cop; cop doesn't listen; I explain again in writing to Cop's superiors; they drop the charges.

Hopefully this explanation helps you see what the senior cops saw.

[Jack Miller]

CAUSE? cause? I don't think they 'cause' anything sunshine.

So what is so important in YOUR life that you're prepared to risk your life and that of others to get there maybe five minutes quicker than you would following the slower car??

It's called provocation.

The question should be what gives the impeder the right to steal time from every other road user's life.

[bsasuper]

Unfortunately our popo's ticket writing culture,without looking at the circumstances, must filter down from the top, its the top mans job to know what is going on and how its done.

[scumdog]

Sitting on 80 or 90 demerits has a calming effect on your driving style ... :innocent:

Sooo. the young guy with 225 demerits that just lost his licence here obviously didn't get that 'calming effect'

However he's going to lose the licence again for another 3 months when he gets it back, until he's below 100 points.

What a dumb-fucking-arse...

[FJRider]

Sooo. the young guy with 225 demerits that just lost his licence here obviously didn't get that 'calming effect'

However he's going to lose the licence again for another 3 months when he gets it back, until he's below 100 points.

What a dumb-fucking-arse...

The "calming effect" ... apparently ... doesn't work on dick-heads and dumb-fucking-arse's ...

And now all the "enforcers" in the area will know him and his car (and where he lives) ... should he wish to try his luck .... I'm betting he WILL ... :whocares:

[BMWST?]

Just like the cop on the road you have missed the point. With several other things going on at the same time it is possible not to notice that the vehicle you're overtaking has sped up and, given that speeding up while being is overtaken is illegal it's not reasonable to punish someone for not noticing it, or for reacting to it. On a modern bike it's easy not to notice - the difference between 100 and 120 on my bike is about 1 degree of throttle twist.

It goes like this: I'm following a driver doing 80; I get to a passing lane and pull out to pass; The passing lane is long enough for me to get past easily with a 20kph speed differential; I twist the right hand & time my maneuver so I'll be past towards the end of the lane; I check my mirrors; the passing lane is on a bend so I look ahead; a queue of cars is coming towards me; I watch it closely to make sure none of them pull into my lane in frustration; I check my mirrors again; I check the approaching queue again; mirrors; bend; queue; mirrors; queue...; I maintain my speed to be past towards the end of the lane; the overtakee has sped up; concentrating on everything else I don't notice this, my right hand just moves further than it would if he hadn't; I arrive safely past at the originally planned position; one of the approaching vehicles is a cop; the cop U turns, chases me and issues a ticket; I try and explain all this to the cop; cop doesn't listen; I explain again in writing to Cop's superiors; they drop the charges.

Hopefully this explanation helps you see what the senior cops saw.

you doing it wrong....you know they are going to speed up.Overtake like you mean it.As you approach the overtaking lane put on your RH indicator and select the appropriate gear.At the first opportunity PASS him.Dont modulate your speed till the end of the overtaking lane.Get past him pronto and then resume your speed.This method also gives the vehicles behind you time to pass.

[Maha]

Just like the cop on the road you have missed the point. With several other things going on at the same time it is possible not to notice that the vehicle you're overtaking has sped up and, given that speeding up while being is overtaken is illegal it's not reasonable to punish someone for not noticing it, or for reacting to it. On a modern bike it's easy not to notice - the difference between 100 and 120 on my bike is about 1 degree of throttle twist.

It goes like this: I'm following a driver doing 80; I get to a passing lane and pull out to pass; The passing lane is long enough for me to get past easily with a 20kph speed differential; I twist the right hand & time my maneuver so I'll be past towards the end of the lane; I check my mirrors; the passing lane is on a bend so I look ahead; a queue of cars is coming towards me; I watch it closely to make sure none of them pull into my lane in frustration; I check my mirrors again; I check the approaching queue again; mirrors; bend; queue; mirrors; queue...; I maintain my speed to be past towards the end of the lane; the overtakee has sped up; concentrating on everything else I don't notice this, my right hand just moves further than it would if he hadn't; I arrive safely past at the originally planned position; one of the approaching vehicles is a cop; the cop U turns, chases me and issues a ticket; I try and explain all this to the cop; cop doesn't listen; I explain again in writing to Cop's superiors; they drop the charges.

Hopefully this explanation helps you see what the senior cops saw.

Oh god are you one of those drivers/riders that takes up the whole length of a passing lane to pass one vehicle?:facepalm:

On the flip side, dont ever accept a ticket of this nature as a given, the issuer is at the bottom of the list, he/she has superiors to answer to and they (at times) listen to joe public.
I got pinged at 119, wrote in an and got off of the pending ticket.

[scumdog]

you doing it wrong....you know they are going to speed up.Overtake like you mean it.As you approach the overtaking lane put on your RH indicator and select the appropriate gear.At the first opportunity PASS him.Dont modulate your speed till the end of the overtaking lane.Get past him pronto and then resume your speed.This method also gives the vehicles behind you time to pass.


Almost what I do to a T

Just that once past I move to the left to allow others that 'need' to get past me to do their thing.

[BMWST?]

Almost what I do to a T

Just that once past I move to the left to allow others that 'need' to get past me to do their thing.

yes,i left that bit out

[Kickaha]

I'm curious, what changed in the last 2 years, your driving style or enforcement?

Neither, I was just doing a lot more mileage, one was stupidity on my part coming back from the Greymouth street race and not thinking to hard about how the road is always more heavily policed and the other was inattention on my part and the speed crept up

I've got away with it far more times than I've ever been penalised for it and I reckon I've only had 4-5 tickets in 30 years, it's all about time and place and how much you're prepared to risk


With several other things going on at the same time it is possible not to notice that the vehicle you're overtaking has sped up

possible not to notice? I fucking doubt it

[Supertwin Don]

Land Transport (Road User) Rule 2004 (SR 2004/427) (as at 10 May 2011)
lane—
• (a) means a longitudinal strip of the roadway intended for the passage of vehicles or a specific class of vehicles that is separated from other parts of the roadway by a longitudinal line or lines of paint or raised studs; and
• (b) includes—
o (i) a cycle lane; and
o (ii) a lane for the use of vehicular traffic that is at least 2.5 m wide; and
o (iii) a lane of a two-way road divided by a centre line

roadway means that portion of the road used or reasonably usable for the time being for vehicular traffic in general

2) A driver, when driving on a road marked in lanes,—
• (a) must drive as far as practicable entirely within a lane except when complying with subclause 2.1(2) or when changing lanes; and
• (b) must not move from a lane until he or she has first ascertained that the manoeuvre may be made safely.
2.1(2) If a driver's speed, when driving, is such as to impede the normal and reasonable flow of traffic, that driver must, as soon as is reasonably practicable, move the vehicle as far as practicable to the left side of the roadway when this is necessary to allow following traffic to pass.

Yeah, I can quote the LT Act as well – the big thing about “going slow” is what is regarded as the “normal and reasonable flow” of traffic – if your idea of “normal and reasonable” is every vehicle travelling at the maximum speed allowable everywhere – you ain’t living in the real world !
In some cases, the “flow” can be increased by lowering the limit – because of the way people react to the presence of other vehicles, at a lower speed, more vehicles are able to use the road.
So, please don’t confuse “flow” with “speed”.

[MSTRS]

"As far to the left as to be practicable..."
That one is a double-edged sword though. I know of some who have done just that (driven on the shoulder in order to not impede traffic) and who have then been pinged for something like "Driving in such a manner as to create a lane that does not exist".

The law is an ass.

[Jantar]

....In some cases, the “flow” can be increased by lowering the limit – because of the way people react to the presence of other vehicles, at a lower speed, more vehicles are able to use the road.
So, please don’t confuse “flow” with “speed”.

Lets look at that claim in detail. For this purpose lets assume that the vehicles are all cars with a length of 5.4 meters.

Take a 1 km section of road with a speed limit of 100 km per hour. All vehicles on the road are travelling at 100 kmh (27.8 m/s) and keeping a 2 second gap from the one in front. Thus the traffic is flowing at the maximum rate for that piece of road. Each vehicle is taking up 55.6 meters gap plus 5.4 meters or a total of 61 m. Therefore there are 16 vehicles on that stretch of road, and they are flowing at a rate of one vehicle every 2.2 seconds.

Take that same 1 km section of road and drop the speed limit to 50 kmh. All vehicles are now travelling at 80 kmh (13.9 m/s) and keeping a 2 second gap from the one in front. Each vehicle is now taking up 27.8 meters gap plus 5.4 meters or a total of 33.2 m. Therefore there are now 30 vehicles on that stretch of road and they are flowing at a rate of one vehicle every 2.4 seconds.

The flow at the lower speed is worse, even though there are more vehicles on the road.

So, please don’t confuse “flow” with “number of vehicles”.

of course we could just take that concept to the logical conclusion and have a speed limit of 0 kmh and turn our roads into massive parking lots. Now we can get 185 vehicles per km of road even if they aren't going anywhere. Oh, wait.... Isn't that the Auckland motorway system during peak times?

[Jack Miller]

Oh god are you one of those drivers/riders that takes up the whole length of a passing lane to pass one vehicle?:facepalm:

Only on this occasion - it was a very short passing lane and, since I was checking my mirrors I knew no one else was behind me also trying to pass.

[willytheekid]

Poor widdle Fokky, upset by the big bad Popo wuz we?

No your taxes pay me to enforce the law, not to put up with trash talk like we do. We put up with the trash for free. I'd come in on my days off if I was allowed to dish some back, but apparently we have to take it, and not give some back.

One of my troops just processed a drink driver in North Canterbury, the tosser spent the whole time banging on about how much of an injustice it was, how he's a better driver after a few drinks, the usual bollocks. My soldier just sat there, did what was necessary, handed him his court documents and saw him off the premises. One day we'll be allowed to dish some back, just not now.

I actually don't expect my troops to be automatons. If they dish some back now and again I can understand why. I can't (officially) agree to it, but I can sure understand it.

Please email the hugs via Heidi Klum, I'll accept hugs from her anytime.

+1

Just can't believe the amount of shit you guys put with! , as you said "taxes pay me to enforce the law, not to put up with trash talk like we do"....couldn't do it personally! (I would end up stepping on someones throat! lol)
The ChCh police were amazing! during the quake, I was stuck in central city and "trying"! to ride out to get my partner & baby boy....on every corner was a poor cop standing his/her ground (while dodging falling debris etc) and trying to help the community get to safety...I for one will NEVER forget the personal risk you guys put yourself in to help....nothing but respect for you guys and tough job you do
In regards to you stopping slow or dangerous drivers, GREAT job rastuscat :yes:, keep it up :niceone:

[Berries]

With several other things going on at the same time it is possible not to notice that the vehicle you're overtaking has sped up and, given that speeding up while being is overtaken is illegal it's not reasonable to punish someone for not noticing it, or for reacting to it.
You keep talking about speeding up while being overtaken as being illegal, but it is hardly a well known or publicised rule. You have already said how drivers speed up due to their subconscious telling them the road is wider, as it is when you get to a passing lane. The fact that people do speed up then is hardly unexpected and I would say it is reasonable to expect it to happen.


It goes like this..........
The roads must be really shit up your way if you have to rely on passing lanes when riding a bike.

[Smifffy]

Well around here there is a camera van parked at the end of a short passing lane 10 days out of 30, and you get to guess which days and which lanes.



Oh god are you one of those drivers/riders that takes up the whole length of a passing lane to pass one vehicle?:facepalm:

On the flip side, dont ever accept a ticket of this nature as a given, the issuer is at the bottom of the list, he/she has superiors to answer to and they (at times) listen to joe public.
I got pinged at 119, wrote in an and got off of the pending ticket.


Almost what I do to a T

Just that once past I move to the left to allow others that 'need' to get past me to do their thing.

[Supertwin Don]

Lets look at that claim in detail. For this purpose lets assume that the vehicles are all cars with a length of 5.4 meters.

Take a 1 km section of road with a speed limit of 100 km per hour. All vehicles on the road are travelling at 100 kmh (27.8 m/s) and keeping a 2 second gap from the one in front. Thus the traffic is flowing at the maximum rate for that piece of road. Each vehicle is taking up 55.6 meters gap plus 5.4 meters or a total of 61 m. Therefore there are 16 vehicles on that stretch of road, and they are flowing at a rate of one vehicle every 2.2 seconds.

Take that same 1 km section of road and drop the speed limit to 50 kmh. All vehicles are now travelling at 80 kmh (13.9 m/s) and keeping a 2 second gap from the one in front. Each vehicle is now taking up 27.8 meters gap plus 5.4 meters or a total of 33.2 m. Therefore there are now 30 vehicles on that stretch of road and they are flowing at a rate of one vehicle every 2.4 seconds.

The flow at the lower speed is worse, even though there are more vehicles on the road.

So, please don’t confuse “flow” with “number of vehicles”.

of course we could just take that concept to the logical conclusion and have a speed limit of 0 kmh and turn our roads into massive parking lots. Now we can get 185 vehicles per km of road even if they aren't going anywhere. Oh, wait.... Isn't that the Auckland motorway system during peak times?

Sorry, matey, Traffic Engineering definitions:

Volume = total number of vehicles during an extended period e.g. vehicles per day
Flow = total number of vehicles during a shorter period e.g. vehicle per hour
so by your numbers, the "flow" at a lower speed is greater - 30 vehicles rather than 16 vehicles - or if you like 7.3 vehicles per second as against 13.6 vehicles per second

(signed) Lecturer in Traffic Engineering / Highway Engineering for NZ Diploma in Engineering.:yes:

[Taz]

Why does it always have to be a ticket? Why not a friendly chat and some good advice which will send the errant motorist on his/her way with still a small amount of respect for those policing our roads?

[Kickaha]

Why does it always have to be a ticket? Why not a friendly chat and some good advice which will send the errant motorist on his/her way with still a small amount of respect for those policing our roads?

Yeah because if some ignorant arsehole is holding up 11 vehicles without pulling over I'm sure that will work

I've been pulled over before and gone on my way without a ticket on a few occasions as I suspect a lot of others have but we'd hardly be on here whining about it as people that get a ticket do

[Metastable]

To the OP -> Good Work! Regardless if one is going fast or slow it is important to be considerate to other road users. It isn't hard to pull over and let the crew past if you feel like driving super slow.

[FJRider]

Why does it always have to be a ticket? Why not a friendly chat and some good advice which will send the errant motorist on his/her way with still a small amount of respect for those policing our roads?

Because they remember the ticket ... the chat .... :no:

[Jantar]

Sorry, matey, Traffic Engineering definitions:

Volume = total number of vehicles during an extended period e.g. vehicles per day
Flow = total number of vehicles during a shorter period e.g. vehicle per hour
so by your numbers, the "flow" at a lower speed is greater - 30 vehicles rather than 16 vehicles - or if you like 7.3 vehicles per second as against 13.6 vehicles per second

(signed) Lecturer in Traffic Engineering / Highway Engineering for NZ Diploma in Engineering.:yes:

I'm glad I'm not one of your students. :shit: That is 30 vehicles per km at the lower speed as opposed to 16 vehicles per km at the higer speed.

If you want vehicles per hour then at 100 kmh and 2.2 seconds per vehicle, that is 1636 vehicles per hour. At 50 kmh at 2.4 seconds per vehicle then that is 1500 vehicles per hour. So by your definition of flow the higher speed is still better. its just your maths that's worse.

And please, never let me in a line of traffic that is passing at 13.6 vehicles per second! Even with no gap and an average length of 5.4 m they would need to travelling at 265 kmh.

[GPXchick]

Are people aware you can actually ride/Drive 100 KMPH on the motorway, i know some areas change. Yet it seems on my daily commute people are happy to podle along at 85km It shits me...............:yes:

[scumdog]

I've been pulled over before and gone on my way without a ticket on a few occasions as I suspect a lot of others have but we'd hardly be on here whining about it as people that get a ticket do

Lots get 'chatted' to...quite a few do remember it for a while, even more remember the ticket a bit longer....:shutup:

But ranting on KB about a supposedly undeserved ticket is the thing to do, it makes everything alright.

Apparently.

[FJRider]

Lots get 'chatted' to...quite a few do remember it for a while, even more remember the ticket a bit longer....:shutup:

But ranting on KB about a supposedly undeserved ticket is the thing to do, it makes everything alright.

Apparently.

I've been lucky enough over the years to have enjoyed a few "chats" ... :shutup:

Sometimes the finger (in a nice way of course) out his window ... with .. on the odd occasion ... a blip of the disco's for effect ... :shit:

Always a wave from me in return ... :blink:

[Jack Miller]

Land Transport (Road User) Rule 2004 (SR 2004/427) (as at 10 May 2011)
2) A driver, when driving on a road marked in lanes,—
• (a) must drive as far as practicable entirely within a lane except when complying with subclause 2.1(2) ...
2.1(2) If a driver's speed, when driving, is such as to impede the normal and reasonable flow of traffic, that driver must, as soon as is reasonably practicable, move the vehicle as far as practicable to the left side of the roadway when this is necessary to allow following traffic to pass.


Yeah that's right, stick to your lane, unless you are impeding other traffic than forget the lane markings and get as far left as you can. The shoulder is part of the roadway and you have to use it in these circumstances.

[Berries]

Why does it always have to be a ticket? Why not a friendly chat and some good advice which will send the errant motorist on his/her way with still a small amount of respect for those policing our roads?
I think it's called education through the wallet.

[Scuba_Steve]

Well I have no idea if it actually works but I'm quite enjoying this "report a bad driver" system for now.
I'm pumping out the bad driver reports (cause fuck are there a LOT of cunts that don't know how to drive) in the hope they actually get a nice letter from the cop shop reminding them that drivings more than just pressing a pedal & turning a wheel. With any luck they'll learn from it too as I do prefer educating people 1st :yes:.

[swbarnett]

Yeah that's right, stick to your lane, unless you are impeding other traffic than forget the lane markings and get as far left as you can. The shoulder is part of the roadway and you have to use it in these circumstances.
I will never pass a vehicle that's pulled on to the left shoulder but still moving unless I can clearly see the shoulder in front of them. More than once in the past I've done exactly that and had said vehicle swerve towards me when the shoulder vanished.

[swbarnett]

This is one of the reasons that accident levels drop when open-road speed limits are removed. Slower drivers are then acting perfectly within their rights and following vehicles don't have a legal peg on which to hang their frustration.

[Shadows]

It's called provocation.

The question should be what gives the impeder the right to steal time from every other road user's life.

I believe that provocation can no longer be used as a defence.

You'll have to find another excuse to kill the cunts.

[Jack Miller]

you doing it wrong....you know they are going to speed up.Overtake like you mean it.As you approach the overtaking lane put on your RH indicator and select the appropriate gear.At the first opportunity PASS him.Dont modulate your speed till the end of the overtaking lane.Get past him pronto and then resume your speed.This method also gives the vehicles behind you time to pass.

I know it's wrong. I used to pass like you and every other expert that isn't part of NZTA or the Police recommends. It is absolutely the safest way. But I got too many speeding tickets from arsehole revenue gatherers.

[Cheshire Cat]

If you don't want to conform to society's gay rules then you have to let everyone else who wants to do it. move over if you don't want to do the speed limit. and if you want to go faster than everyone else, don't stop!!! :sunny:

[The Pastor]

hi y'all

here's why so few people get tickets for going too slow.

I was going north in my neenar at about 4.30 today. Neenar? It's blue and yellow, with red/blue lights on the roof. Nuff said.

I radared a car travelling south on sh1 out of waikuku at 70 km/h. He was coming out of the waikuku 80 kmh area. Behind him were 11 vehicles, the drivers of 3 of them waved frantically for me to do something about the dude holding them all up.

I whipped around behind the last of the 11, then used the blues n twos to force each of the 11 aside while i went after the car still travelling at 70 kmh, now in a 100 zone.

After creating mayhem to get to him, he eventually stopped, and i got a big mouthful about how i had driven dangerously to catch and stop him, and that i should go catch some burglars or rapists. Yes, pretty much all the shite that i get most days.

After he drove off, $150 poorer, i pondered why i bother, given the criticism i get for doing it, added to the criticism i get for not doing it.

So, should we do it or not?

Harumph.


yea your right, quit your job.

[Smifffy]

Exactly. It also helps the consolidated fund. I wonder if CSC card holders can get a WINZ grant to pay it?


Lots get 'chatted' to...quite a few do remember it for a while, even more remember the ticket a bit longer....:shutup:

But ranting on KB about a supposedly undeserved ticket is the thing to do, it makes everything alright.

Apparently.

[avgas]

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When I grow up I want to be a neenar

[SPman]

More than once in the past I've done exactly that and had said vehicle swerve towards me when the shoulder vanished. Really good fun when it's a road train.......

Mr Ratus - you done the right thing!

Those cunts tend to be the types who, when there is a straight bit of road, go like the clappers...until it's single lane again....

Shit, I get paranoid if I'm holding up 3 or more vehicles, if, due to circumstances, I can't get along at good highway speeds and there's nowhere to pull over.....

[Sarah311]

I hope this 70kph character was on/over the centreline, and actually obstructing those behind him - if he wasn't, what was the charge?

Car or bike, the speed limit is the MAXIMUM speed allowed - if I don't want to travel at the MAXIMUM speed, I move over as far as I can (without going on to the shoulder) so that those who DO want to travel faster, can. In my experience, it's the second or third car in the line that is the problem, in this case, a 30km speed difference should be more than sufficient for a competent driver to make a safe overtake UNLESS the road/traffic conditions prevent.:gob:

Get off the fucken road! You are impeeding the flow of traffic and that is an offence. The fact that you enjoy it (being a wanker) should be a punishable offence.

And the world owes you a living......

[ellipsis]

Get off the fucken road! You are impeeding the flow of traffic and that is an offence. The fact that you enjoy it (being a wanker) should be a punishable offence.

And the world owes you a living......

.....?????...my,my....

[rastuscat]

My wife invented the word neenar.

Any unauthorised use will be referred to the highest court in the land.

Her.

So lookout.

[Oblivion]

My wife invented the word neenar.

Any unauthorised use will be referred to the highest court in the land.

Her.

So lookout.

Neener.

What do I win?

[baffa]

Jeremy Clarkson has the right idea.

You should have a minimum speed as well as a maximum one on motorways, and have spikes on the steering wheel and a bomb under the seat that goes off if you hit someone. So only people who can drive, and drive at a reasonable speed would be brave enough to drive on the motorways!

Also, post snipers in certain spots to take out people driving slowly or tailgating!

[Mad-V2]

It's quite simple really people. When there is a safe place to pull over, You just flash your headlights at said slow driver and point franticly at their rear tyre. They pull over, you flip them the bird so they know they are dick heads and you carry on your merry way. Works like a charm EVERY time.
That way ya don't get coppas doing their crazy U turns and warp speeds to catch up to said slow driver, endangering everyone else on the road and copping abuse from the guy who thinks he's a safe driver. EVERYBODY WINS

[Tard]

Slow drivers, impressed by the "faster you go bigger the mess" bullshit, over the top speed camera deployment and the rest of this stupid war have come to believe that they can go as slow as they like. Furthermore, they believe that they are doing a good thing by making others slow down! They need to learn that this is illegal and they have to stop impeding other people.

Ain't this the truth:niceone:
The no. of times ya finally manage to get next to/past one of these fools to observe them completely oblivious to the following:
1) Anything from 2-20 vehicles stuck behind
2) Nothing other than the vehicle immediately in front :weird:
3) Look down at their speedo every 1.5 secs to 'make sure' they're not speeding:confused:

...AND !!! 90% of the time they're driving in the right-hand lane of the motorway as a mobile block! If they want to play donut-dunker :Police: they should change ****ing jobs!

[scumdog]

Ain't this the truth:niceone:
The no. of times ya finally manage to get next to/past one of these fools to observe them completely oblivious to the following:
1) Anything from 2-20 vehicles stuck behind
2) Nothing other than the vehicle immediately in front :weird:
3) Look down at their speedo every 1.5 secs to 'make sure' they're not speeding:confused:

...AND !!! 90% of the time they're driving in the right-hand lane of the motorway as a mobile block! If they want to play donut-dunker :Police: they should change ****ing jobs!

And don't forget the second vehucle in the line - often a gutless SUV towing a boat or similar, too gutless to pass the slow vehicle on front of them - and creating a scene where the third-in-line guy has now got the boat, SUV AND the front vehicle toget past.

Often if the second vehicle hung back a rerasonable amount it would give everybody else a chance to 'leap-frog' them into 2nd place - and then pass the front vehicle...ah well, NZ drivers...not idea - and don't know what a mirror is or why cars have indicators...<_<.

[FJRider]

Then there's the five campervans ... travelling a metre apart ... at 70 kms/hr ...

[James Deuce]

Hi Y'All

Here's why so few people get tickets for going too slow.

I was going north in my neenar at about 4.30 today. Neenar? It's blue and yellow, with red/blue lights on the roof. Nuff said.

I radared a car travelling south on SH1 out of Waikuku at 70 km/h. He was coming out of the Waikuku 80 kmh area. Behind him were 11 vehicles, the drivers of 3 of them waved frantically for me to do something about the dude holding them all up.

I whipped around behind the last of the 11, then used the blues n twos to force each of the 11 aside while I went after the car still travelling at 70 kmh, now in a 100 zone.

After creating mayhem to get to him, he eventually stopped, and I got a big mouthful about how I had driven dangerously to catch and stop him, and that I should go catch some burglars or rapists. Yes, pretty much all the shite that I get most days.

After he drove off, $150 poorer, I pondered why I bother, given the criticism I get for doing it, added to the criticism I get for not doing it.

So, should we do it or not?

Harumph.

Every time you do that, I'll buy you a beer. Don't stop doing it. Take the abuse and then tell the wanker that you just earned a free beer.

Make sure you let me know when you do that so we can get the tally going.

[brendonjw]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to rastuscat again.

Keep it up man, these people are just as dangerous and cause massive frustration on the roads

Edit - Would they get demerit points for this?

[PeeJay]

Whats the big hurry?
eg you have a 90km trip to do which from go to whoa normally takes an hour.

You get held up for 15 min behind a 75km/hr slow person, then back to your 90k avg
Total trip time 62 minutes

Is the world going to stop because you arrive 2 minutes later?

Even if they held you up for the whole trip you have only had an extra 12 min to enjoy the scenery

Going to the Brass Monkey
if I cruise (Auck-Wgtn) at 90-110k I only have to stop once for gas.
120k + I have to stop twice and it actually takes longer to get to Wgtn

So being fast doesnt necessarily mean you are quick

[Usarka]

Whats the big hurry?
eg you have a 90km trip to do which from go to whoa normally takes an hour.

You get held up for 15 min behind a 75km/hr slow person, then back to your 90k avg
Total trip time 62 minutes

Is the world going to stop because you arrive 2 minutes later?


If every commercial vehicle in the country added 2 minutes to their journey times it would hurt the economy.

But it's not actually about the speed, it's about the lack of consideration. If you don't have consideration for other road users then you should be off the road.

It's like big fat fuckers who stand in the middle of an escalator. If you actually walked up it then maybe you wouldn't be so fat, but because you choose to be a tubby fucker how about moving your fat arse to one side so I can continue my quest to not look like you and let me past. I know you'll be puffed from the exertion but you can be assured I wouldn't hold you up in the queue at the foodcourt so have some similar consideration.

[Dodgy_Matt]

It's like big fat fuckers who stand in the middle of an escalator. If you actually walked up it then maybe you wouldn't be so fat, but because you choose to be a tubby fucker how about moving your fat arse to one side so I can continue my quest to not look like you and let me past. I know you'll be puffed from the exertion but you can be assured I wouldn't hold you up in the queue at the foodcourt so have some similar consideration.

"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Usarka again."

:laugh:

[Scuba_Steve]

Even if they held you up for the whole trip you have only had an extra 12 min to enjoy the scenery

Going to the Brass Monkey
if I cruise (Auck-Wgtn) at 90-110k I only have to stop once for gas.
120k + I have to stop twice and it actually takes longer to get to Wgtn


well theres ya 1st prob you shouldn't be looking at the scenery, distractions are the biggest killer on the road! if you want to look do it stationary or as a passenger!

2nd how long does it take you to fill up??? are you filling a truck on standard flow fuel or something??? or do you goto self service stations & wait for an attendant???

[PeeJay]

well theres ya 1st prob you shouldn't be looking at the scenery, distractions are the biggest killer on the road! if you want to look do it stationary or as a passenger!

2nd how long does it take you to fill up??? are you filling a truck on standard flow fuel or something??? or do you goto self service stations & wait for an attendant???

I no longer ride a bike because its all I have , now when I go for a ride I try to enjoy it. And because I am no longer in a big rush to get anywhere, that includes checking out the scenery.
I used to ride like a bat out of hell and never saw anything.

Filling the tank might only take 5 minutes but by the time you pull into the garage, fill up, stand in a queue, scratch your ass, drink your drink, had a piss, wait for your mate who has decided to get a burger, check the weather, it can be 1/2 an hr or more before you are actually back on the highway

[scumdog]

well theres ya 1st prob...., distractions are the biggest killer on the road!

Hmmm, I thought you reckoned it was U-turning cops???<_<

[Scuba_Steve]

Hmmm, I thought you reckoned it was U-turning cops???<_<

no :no:, not even sure if thats the biggest killer from police gang members??? Maybee the stupidest tho...
I think them pulling off a pursuit is the biggest killer from the police gang, every-time they do that 30 seconds later the pursued crashes :shutup:

[FJRider]

I think them pulling off a pursuit is the biggest killer from the police gang, every-time they do that 30 seconds later the pursued crashes :shutup:

If they kill themselves after the pursuit stopped ... is it still the COP'S fault ... ??? :confused:

The odd's seem to be ... if you try to do a runner ... you will die. (A win for the gene pool at the very least)

[James Deuce]

The odd's seem to be ... if you try to do a runner ... you will die. (A win for the gene pool at the very least)

You're doing it wrong.

[Scuba_Steve]

If they kill themselves after the pursuit stopped ... is it still the COP'S fault ... ??? :confused:


Whoosh....

[Brian d marge]

would a fine have worked? agreed the driver was being inconsiderate ....a lecture and pointing out to him he was causing other stress and was a danger? ...

[Jantar]

If they kill themselves after the pursuit stopped ... is it still the COP'S fault ... ??? :confused:

It must be. You seldom hear of anyone being killed during a pursuit, its always just after the pursuit was called off. The obvious solution is to never call of the pursuit. The cops will enjoy it more, the pursued can have fun for longer, and it is much safer for all. :innocent:

[Daffyd]

Hmmm, I thought you reckoned it was U-turning cops???<_<

They're a distraction.

[Pixie]

Hi Y'All

Here's why so few people get tickets for going too slow.

I was going north in my neenar at about 4.30 today. Neenar? It's blue and yellow, with red/blue lights on the roof. Nuff said.

I radared a car travelling south on SH1 out of Waikuku at 70 km/h. He was coming out of the Waikuku 80 kmh area. Behind him were 11 vehicles, the drivers of 3 of them waved frantically for me to do something about the dude holding them all up.

I whipped around behind the last of the 11, then used the blues n twos to force each of the 11 aside while I went after the car still travelling at 70 kmh, now in a 100 zone.

After creating mayhem to get to him, he eventually stopped, and I got a big mouthful about how I had driven dangerously to catch and stop him, and that I should go catch some burglars or rapists. Yes, pretty much all the shite that I get most days.

After he drove off, $150 poorer, I pondered why I bother, given the criticism I get for doing it, added to the criticism I get for not doing it.

So, should we do it or not?

Harumph.

Poor Bubba

enforce all the fucken laws

[rastuscat]

Poor Bubba

enforce all the fucken laws

Funny. If all the laws were enforced, we would be snowed down with paperwork by morning tea.

You mean you want me to write a ticket for everyone who breaks the law? Not humanly possible, sorry, it can't be done.

Last time I was called Bubba was.................nope never been called that before.

[Zedder]

Funny. If all the laws were enforced, we would be snowed down with paperwork by morning tea.

You mean you want me to write a ticket for everyone who breaks the law? Not humanly possible, sorry, it can't be done.

Last time I was called Bubba was.................nope never been called that before.

I'm all for law enformencement but does it have to be about fines so much?

How about highlighting demerit points and risk of losing a licence?

[swbarnett]

You mean you want me to write a ticket for everyone who breaks the law? Not humanly possible, sorry, it can't be done.

It is, however, electronically possible. That's the scary part. If it ever comes to that the cost will be the downfall of our society.

[Scuba_Steve]

Funny. If all the laws were enforced, we would be snowed down with paperwork by morning tea.

You mean you want me to write a ticket for everyone who breaks the law? Not humanly possible, sorry, it can't be done.

hey at-least you wouldn't have to leave the office to meet your quota. You'll be into those donuts faster than ever

[willytheekid]

It is, however, electronically possible. That's the scary part. If it ever comes to that the cost will be the downfall of our society.

:laugh: Not gonna happen for quiet awhile!
I used to look after the NZ Police/Fire/Ambo and most of the BIG Govn't data links/comms etc.
So trust me when I say.....the capability just isn't there!(Not even close!!).....And its the Cost required to set up the electronic monitoring that would be the downfall of our society :laugh:

[Gearup]

:laugh: Not gonna happen for quiet awhile!
I used to look after the NZ Police/Fire/Ambo and most of the BIG Govn't data links/comms etc.
So trust me when I say.....the capability just isn't there!(Not even close!!).....And its the Cost required to set up the electronic monitoring that would be the downfall of our society :laugh:

That'll cheer evil Scuba Steve up a bit. Not much, but enough to stop him reaching for the anti ulcer pills a bit. Or is it the anti psycotics?

[Scuba_Steve]

That'll cheer evil Scuba Steve up a bit. Not much, but enough to stop him reaching for the anti ulcer pills a bit. Or is it the anti psycotics?

pfft anti psychotics <_<, why would I want to take them??? Last time I tried one the people in my head stopped talking to me for a couple days, not doing that again!

oh any I think he's wrong on the capability front, Think the only reason we won't see it in a while is they have to "justify" it otherwise it's a political suicide.

[Gearup]

pfft anti psychotics <_<, why would I want to take them??? Last time I tried one the people in my head stopped talking to me for a couple days, not doing that again!

oh any I think he's wrong on the capability front, Think the only reason we won't see it in a while is they have to "justify" it otherwise it's a political suicide.

But SS, they'll never tell us if they do it anyway.........

[willytheekid]

oh any I think he's wrong on the capability front, Think the only reason we won't see it in a while is they have to "justify" it otherwise it's a political suicide.

Nah Im quiet right actually (I will admit...This is rare! lol)
We are at this very moment "trying" to bring national "cloud" computing to NZ....and its hitting more hurdles than a drunk horse at a steeplechase.
The National Links are already stressed (Just look at the work we have done to get Aucklanders some form of broadband speed!...and THATS a joke in its self)
My old Team used to look after the Police comms and there national network....its 20yrs outdated, unreliable (Yet secure!...so don't try anything!...or we release the ninjas!) and we begged for over 2yrs to obtain more funding for the police & emergencey services so we could upgrade this outdated tech and provide better services....And we are still waiting!
So in short...ya safe for now Steve......for now! (but we are working on this...were gonna have to build a Terminator to take care of you tho:laugh:)

...Big brother ISN'T watching...hes to busy rebuilding routing tables!

[Scuba_Steve]

...Big brother ISN'T watching...hes to busy rebuilding routing tables!

Well he may not be watching, but he sure as hell is listening every-time a key word is spoken, say enough of them and congrats your on the watch list (or listening list as it maybee).
Watching wouldn't be that greater stretch we have cams everywhere incl red-light & council owned it's not hard for the Govt to start utilizing these for their own profit like with speed scams

[swbarnett]

:laugh: Not gonna happen for quiet awhile!
I used to look after the NZ Police/Fire/Ambo and most of the BIG Govn't data links/comms etc.
So trust me when I say.....the capability just isn't there!(Not even close!!)
You're right, to the extent that we're monitored every second of the day and charged with every miniscule infraction, it probably won't happen in our lifetime.

However, the level of electronic monitoring is increasing almost by the day. If we don't stop it in it's tracks now each successive generation is going to have an increasingly hard time just being themselves.


.....And its the Cost required to set up the electronic monitoring that would be the downfall of our society :laugh:
Yep, this is what I meant.

[gordons]

Hi Y'All

Here's why so few people get tickets for going too slow.

I was going north in my neenar at about 4.30 today. Neenar? It's blue and yellow, with red/blue lights on the roof. Nuff said.

I radared a car travelling south on SH1 out of Waikuku at 70 km/h. He was coming out of the Waikuku 80 kmh area. Behind him were 11 vehicles, the drivers of 3 of them waved frantically for me to do something about the dude holding them all up.

I whipped around behind the last of the 11, then used the blues n twos to force each of the 11 aside while I went after the car still travelling at 70 kmh, now in a 100 zone.

After creating mayhem to get to him, he eventually stopped, and I got a big mouthful about how I had driven dangerously to catch and stop him, and that I should go catch some burglars or rapists. Yes, pretty much all the shite that I get most days.

After he drove off, $150 poorer, I pondered why I bother, given the criticism I get for doing it, added to the criticism I get for not doing it.

So, should we do it or not?

Harumph.

Huh? (checking browser address bar - it does say kiwibiker and not topgear?) :confused: Are you running some semi undercover (since we know your occupation) stat/opinion poll? :laugh:

[munster]

Look, slow drivers 'force' their view point upon us, those drivers who wish to travel at the speed limit legally.

Fast drivers do not 'force' anyone to go faster. Slow drivers 'force' everyone behind them to go slow.

Doesn't quite seem fair, but that's how it goes. I swear some of those slow drivers do it on purpose.

I also reckon (unfounded of course, but why let that ruin anything) that in Auckland it would seem that the same vehicles day after day continue to be in slow mode in the right hand lane (fast lane being not approved language), I have therefore started a rumour that these people are in paid employment of the motorway patrol to deliberately slow traffic down.

[Kickaha]

Look, slow drivers 'force' their view point upon us, those drivers who wish to travel at the speed limit legally.

Fast drivers do not 'force' anyone to go faster. Slow drivers 'force' everyone behind them to go slow.

Doesn't quite seem fair, but that's how it goes. I swear some of those slow drivers do it on purpose.

They generally don't "force it upon us" for any great length of time unless you happen to be driving a car

They also don't "force us to drive like wankers" to get past them

[Berries]

They generally don't "force it upon us" for any great length of time unless you happen to be driving a car
Nice one. I thought this was a bike forum but sometimes have my doubts. Slow vehicles and queues of traffic liven up the ride for me.

[sinned]

Nice one. I thought this was a bike forum but sometimes have my doubts. Slow vehicles and queues of traffic liven up the ride for me.
The ones that annoy me, while in car or on bike, are those that drive slow in the fast lane next to a car in the slow lane. And seem to be oblivious to the traffic they are holding up.

[Kickaha]

The ones that annoy me, while in car or on bike, are those that drive slow in the fast lane next to a car in the slow lane. And seem to be oblivious to the traffic they are holding up.

We don't actually have fast lanes and slow lanes here, they're all slow lanes

[Usarka]

The ones that annoy me, while in car or on bike, are those that drive slow in the fast lane next to a car in the slow lane. And seem to be oblivious to the traffic they are holding up.


No such thing as a fast lane bro - people who don't know the road rules shouldn't be telling other people how to drive! :rofl:

[FJRider]

We don't actually have fast lanes and slow lanes here, they're all slow lanes

Quite correct ...

If lanes are marked ... it is LEGAL to overtake on the left OR right ... (for the Dyslexic ... that means EITHER side)

However ... it it advised in most official publications, that slower traffic should move to the left to allow faster traffic to pass ... (but WHO reads them ... eh !!!)

Maximum speeds allowed depends on the speed zone the marked lanes are in .. (funny that)

If two vehicles in two different lanes ... are travelling side by side ... at the posted speed limit ... they ARE within the law. (like it or not ... usually NOT :lol:)

[steve_t]

Quite correct ...

If lanes are marked ... it is LEGAL to overtake on the left OR right ... (for the Dyslexic ... that means EITHER side)

However ... it it advised in most official publications, that slower traffic should move to the left to allow faster traffic to pass ... (but WHO reads them ... eh !!!)

Maximum speeds allowed depends on the speed zone the marked lanes are in .. (funny that)

If two vehicles in two different lanes ... are travelling side by side ... at the posted speed limit ... they ARE within the law. (like it or not ... usually NOT :lol:)

What's the go with passing lanes? You know, the ones with the massive sign saying "Keft left unless passing". If a car is travelling side by side with another, it is clearly not passing, but also can't move to the left lane without either speeding up or slowing down. Is the sign more just a guideline than a legal requirement?

[FJRider]

What's the go with passing lanes? You know, the ones with the massive sign saying "Keft left unless passing". If a car is travelling side by side with another, it is clearly not passing, but also can't move to the left lane without either speeding up or slowing down. Is the sign more just a guideline than a legal requirement?

"Keep left unless passing" is not law ... just as "share the road" signs are not.

If both vehicles are at the posted speed limit ... no law is broken.

If both vehicles are travelling BELOW the speed limit ... The "impeeding traffic flow" occurs ... which IS an infringement ... and BOTH vehicles could be charged ...

[Jantar]

"Keep left unless passing" is not law ... .. ...
Um... Actually it IS law, except on multi lane roads where each lane is clearly marked. Passing lanes are not considered part of multi lane roads, and the Keep left unless passing RULE is applied.

[BMWST?]

What's the go with passing lanes? You know, the ones with the massive sign saying "Keft left unless passing". If a car is travelling side by side with another, it is clearly not passing, but also can't move to the left lane without either speeding up or slowing down. Is the sign more just a guideline than a legal requirement?

its a law...thou shalt travel on the left wherever practica

[FJRider]

Um... Actually it IS law, except on multi lane roads where each lane is clearly marked. Passing lanes are not considered part of multi lane roads, and the Keep left unless passing RULE is applied.

Ok ... I got it wrong ... again ... :pinch:

The RED bordered signs are law ... :yes:

Those not are advisory .... :yawn:

[Scuba_Steve]

Quite correct ...
If lanes are marked ... it is LEGAL to overtake on the left OR right ... (for the Dyslexic ... that means EITHER side)

No it is not, undertaking is illegal unless that car in the right is cearly turning right or both lanes are congested.


However ... it it advised in most official publications, that slower traffic should move to the left to allow faster traffic to pass ... (but WHO reads them ... eh !!!)
Maximum speeds allowed depends on the speed zone the marked lanes are in .. (funny that)
If two vehicles in two different lanes ... are travelling side by side ... at the posted speed limit ... they ARE within the law. (like it or not ... usually NOT :lol:)
Its advised in the law too, & the law says two cars side-by-side at the same speed is breaking the law.

"Keep left unless passing" is not law ... just as "share the road" signs are not.
If both vehicles are at the posted speed limit ... no law is broken.
If both vehicles are travelling BELOW the speed limit ... The "impeeding traffic flow" occurs ... which IS an infringement ... and BOTH vehicles could be charged ...
Keep left unless overtaking is law (simplified)

Um... Actually it IS law, except on multi lane roads where each lane is clearly marked. Passing lanes are not considered part of multi lane roads, and the Keep left unless passing RULE is applied.
not "except on multi-lane roads", on multi-lane roads exceptions can be met to allow use of righthand lane but it's use other than meeting these exceptions is illegal to travel in the righthand lane

Here is the law as written. I will highlight for people the "if" that allows righthand lane use, not meeting the "if" requirements means not using the righthand lane.


2.1 Keeping left
Part 2 Roads
Lanes
(1) A driver, when driving, must at all times drive as near as practicable to the left side of the roadway unless this rule otherwise provides.
(2) If a driver’s speed, when driving, is such as to impede the normal and reasonable flow of traffic, that driver must, as soon as is reasonably practicable, move the vehicle as far as practicable to the left side of the roadway when this is necessary to allow following traffic to pass.
(3) A driver may drive in the right lane in the direction of travel when driving on a multi-lane road if—
(a) the driver is turning right, or making a U-turn from the centre of the road, and is giving the prescribed signal of that driver’s intention to turn right; or
(b) the driver is passing; or
(c) the left lane is unavailable to the driver; or
(d) the driver is required by any provision of this rule to drive in the right lane; or
(e) a variable lane control downward-facing arrow sign indicates that the driver must drive in the right lane; or
(f) the driver is avoiding an obstruction; or
(g) the traffic in all other lanes is congested; or
(h) the traffic in every lane is congested.

[Jantar]

...
Here is the law as written. I will highlight for people the "if" that allows righthand lane use, not meeting the "if" requirements means not using the righthand lane.
Exactly. There are exceptions to the "Keep left unless Passing" rule on multi lane roads, just as you have pointed out. On passing lanes there are no exceptions, you MUST keep left unless passing.

[Berries]

No it is not, undertaking is illegal unless that car in the right is cearly turning right or both lanes are congested.

Road User Rule

2.8 Passing on left
(1) A driver must not pass or attempt to pass on the left of another vehicle moving in the same direction except in accordance with this clause.
(2) In any case in which the movement referred to subclause (1) may be made,—
(a) the 2 vehicles must be in different lanes; or.......

[swbarnett]

Exactly. There are exceptions to the "Keep left unless Passing" rule on multi lane roads, just as you have pointed out. On passing lanes there are no exceptions, you MUST keep left unless passing.
Logic dictates that the exceptions noted in law must also apply to passing lanes. After all, there are definitely passing lanes with driveways and side roads on the right. I imagine that there will be a land slide from time to time as well. Maybe even a broked down truck.

[rastuscat]

Road User Rule

2.8 Passing on left
(1) A driver must not pass or attempt to pass on the left of another vehicle moving in the same direction except in accordance with this clause.
(2) In any case in which the movement referred to subclause (1) may be made,—
(a) the 2 vehicles must be in different lanes; or.......

Oooooooooo......................Scuber Steve wuz rong? Really? Take a foto.

[Scuba_Steve]

Oooooooooo......................Scuber Steve wuz rong? Really? Take a foto.

1st time for everything right??? :laugh:

[rastuscat]

1st time for everything right??? :laugh:

Yeah, sorry dude, couldn't resist .........

I made a mistake once. Back in 87 I think it was..............:)

[Scuba_Steve]

I made a mistake once. Back in 87 I think it was..............:)

Since thats so nicely setup...

...What joint the :Police:

[rastuscat]

Since thats so nicely setup...

...What joint the :Police:

Nope, married the first Mrs Cat. On version 2 now. :)

[Scuba_Steve]

Nope, married the first Mrs Cat. On version 2 now. :)

you guys not get all the stupid buzz words down there??? Your supposed to say "On version 2.0 now :)" :lol::facepalm:

[scumdog]

you guys not get all the stupid buzz words down there??? Your supposed to say "On version 2.0 now :)" :lol::facepalm:


2.0 - like you could have a 1.385 version??:blink:


What a waste of breath, I'll tick the box for "Phrases never to be used" with that one...:shifty:

[ElCoyote]

Hi Y'All

Here's why so few people get tickets for going too slow.

I was going north in my neenar at about 4.30 today. Neenar? It's blue and yellow, with red/blue lights on the roof. Nuff said.

I radared a car travelling south on SH1 out of Waikuku at 70 km/h. He was coming out of the Waikuku 80 kmh area. Behind him were 11 vehicles, the drivers of 3 of them waved frantically for me to do something about the dude holding them all up.

I whipped around behind the last of the 11, then used the blues n twos to force each of the 11 aside while I went after the car still travelling at 70 kmh, now in a 100 zone.

After creating mayhem to get to him, he eventually stopped, and I got a big mouthful about how I had driven dangerously to catch and stop him, and that I should go catch some burglars or rapists. Yes, pretty much all the shite that I get most days.

After he drove off, $150 poorer, I pondered why I bother, given the criticism I get for doing it, added to the criticism I get for not doing it.

So, should we do it or not?

Harumph.

You Sir are our last bastion defence against Fuckwits so do not stop. Unless you are starting to believe the Company mantra "Speed kills".

[rastuscat]

You Sir are our last bastion defence against Fuckwits so do not stop. Unless you are starting to believe the Company mantra "Speed kills".

I'm having a dollar each way, actually. Bad driving kills, but driving badly faster kills even quicker.

Always amuses me that folk bang on about how the roads are full of bad drivers, then in the next breath tell us they should be allowed to go faster.

Go figure.

:)

[ElCoyote]

I'm having a dollar each way, actually. Bad driving kills, but driving badly faster kills even quicker.

Always amuses me that folk bang on about how the roads are full of bad drivers, then in the next breath tell us they should be allowed to go faster.

Go figure.

:)

That was not what I was refering to so please do not try to obfuscate my message. My comment related to the propensity of the Popo to focus on the small picture while ignoring the big picture because it's "just too hard". I have the utmost respect for the Popo..................until they start believing their own rhetoric.

[Shadows]

They also don't "force us to drive like wankers" to get past them

I'd be interested to know what part of overtaking constitutes driving like a wanker.

[scumdog]

My comment related to the propensity of the Popo to focus on the small picture while ignoring the big picture because it's "just too hard".

I never focus on the small picture at the expense of the big picture.
It tend to be KB ranters that do that.

"Oh lets rabbit on about anti-speed campaigns and ignore anti-drink-driving ad infinitum, ad neaseum.."


:woohoo:

[Scuba_Steve]

2.0 - like you could have a 1.385 version??:blink:


not sure about 1.385 but you can have ver 1.3 thats the 1st one after the 3rd plastic surgery :lol:

[Max Preload]

You mean you want me to write a ticket for everyone who breaks the law? Not humanly possible, sorry, it can't be done.Nah. Just the first ones you see. You'd never get another 'speedster' because you'd always be stuck dishing out invoices to the vast majority of fuckwits who despite not speeding are the worst drivers of all.

[swbarnett]

I'd be interested to know what part of overtaking constitutes driving like a wanker.
Lack of adequate visibly clear road springs to mind.

[Max Preload]

No it is not, undertaking is illegal unless that car in the right is clearly turning right or both lanes are congested.Wrong. The person you attempted to correct was already correct.

[Max Preload]

1st time for everything right??? :laugh:Try twice in 3 days and extrapolate that out!
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/141583-RIP-last-of-the-intelligent-give-way-rules?p=1130143464#post1130143464

[rphenix]

Hi Y'All

After he drove off, $150 poorer, I pondered why I bother, given the criticism I get for doing it, added to the criticism I get for not doing it.

So, should we do it or not?

Harumph. Well I salute you then :) One of those frustrated drivers may have ended up dead after trying to overtake.

[rastuscat]

That was not what I was refering to so please do not try to obfuscate my message. My comment related to the propensity of the Popo to focus on the small picture while ignoring the big picture because it's "just too hard". I have the utmost respect for the Popo..................until they start believing their own rhetoric.

Wuzznt trying to obfuscate you messij. At least, not until I lern how to spel obfuscate.

[willytheekid]

OBFUSCATE! :blink:........:psst:.......:shifty:

Thank you for my new word of the day.....I already feel smarter :sherlock:

[Scuba_Steve]

Try twice in 3 days and extrapolate that out!
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/141583-RIP-last-of-the-intelligent-give-way-rules?p=1130143464#post1130143464

Might wanna re-read what I put there, I was correct, 2 posts down Boris reinforced & clarified this. You mighta misunderstood my England tho

[rastuscat]

Might wanna re-read what I put there, I was correct, 2 posts down Boris reinforced & clarified this. You mighta misunderstood my England tho

Wot, U speak England? I thought u wuz Skoober Stebe?