RS125 rolling chassis for Moto 3 conversion

[steveyb]

If anyone is interested in a complete Honda NX4 (post '95) RS125 rolling chassis for making their own Moto 3 conversion please contact me.

[Shaun]

What would ya put in it and why? NZ realistic of course

[gixerracer]

What would ya put in it and why? NZ realistic of course

If you was at the south island nationals you wooda cen Scott Moir on his thing he was making the F3 boys look silly( Til it shat its self):facepalm:

[steveyb]

The starting proposition is the CRF250 engine, specifically the CRF250X engine with the CRF250R top end on it.
X has the taller gearbox, R has the high power head, but one does need to more engine work as the standard rods etc are not really up to it. As Fatty Gixxer says, Scottys (built by Brent Symes in Napier) bike is a real weapon and goes really well with the 450 engine in it), But when the engine shat itself big time it really made a mess. Scotty has done heaps of work on it.

I have looked into it, not in too much detail though, and I reckon of the engines that are readily available, the KTM 250 MX engine is the way to go. Higher rev ceiling, more power and a bit more compact than the Honda. But the other european engines are probably better. One of the SuperMoto engines from TM, Sherco or GasGas (do they have a 4T??) etc etc??
Only slight mods to the chassis are needed, maybe some swingarm bracing, cutting frame to fit the engine, modifying gas tank, oil hoses and fitting exhaust system etc.
Scottys is a template as the 250 and 450 bottom ends are the same size. Can't recall if Brent put extra bracing on the swingarm or not.
Building one of these GPMono/Moto3 bikes is a real engineering treat I reckon. You need to fit the engine properly then do work on the engine to make it work and last at the high RPMs.
Maybe the new CBR250 motor will be a good starting place? Not sure.

[Ivan]

I looked at it myself theres abit involved like all things but can be done and would be a real treat the 250 motors are abit smaller to than the 450 so fitting them should be abit easier, Id be keen on doing something like this to much money tied up else were

[Ivan]

good option of motors out there to you can pick up and tune for this, Yamaha YZ250F that would be my option, but theres the CRF250 RMZ250 KXF250, bikes like The WR250 and CRF250X then your Europeon ones havent had much to do with them, I have rode most of the above mentioned ones and find the Yamaha the best motor but that is probably personal preferance I really wanna see these in New Zealand take off tracks like Taupo would be awsome on one of these

[crazy man]

l dont think 24hp 250cc mx engines would cut it some how

[quallman1234]

l dont think 24hp 250cc mx engines would cut it some how

Interesting pipe dyno charts of a CRF250R. 35HP Is probably a resonable realible expectation. Which isn't too far off a standard RS125R. There is potential for it but there is a-lot of money in changing those valve thingies.

Best you start learning to alloy weld Mr Bagshaw ;).

http://www.dirtrider.com/141_0406_retraction/index.html

[Ivan]

Interesting pipe dyno charts of a CRF250R. 35HP Is probably a resonable realible expectation. Which isn't too far off a standard RS125R. There is potential for it but there is a-lot of money in changing those valve thingies.

Best you start learning to alloy weld Mr Bagshaw ;).

http://www.dirtrider.com/141_0406_retraction/index.html

If you keep the maintenace up these motors are very reliable, I know a lot of guys been racing 4 strokes in MX for years they never had blow ups, and motox bikes are thrashed hard out rev limiter launches rev limiter warm ups etc the basic maintenace and they will last for a long time,

my 07 yzf450 had 122 hours on it when i traded in never been rebuilt never had any trouble

[lostinflyz]

MX motors left alone are pretty darn reliable, start fiddling to make power and they start going munchy munchy. I think for 450's it is either 55 or 60 and thats the absolute limit when it switches like a light bulb from ok motor to continuous grenade (ask Mr. Moir what his was throwing and for how long at nats). Unless you go spend enough to make it a road race motor (i.e. throw the entire internals in the bin).......

anyway someone should buy this and give it a shot. It'd be a great little bike

Oh and bolt one of them IODA racing moto3 engines in it!!!

[CHOPPA]

The moriwaki MD250 is just a crf250x engine in a rs125 chassis and when I saw mike jones racing one in oz he was giving the ex factory aprilia rsr125s a good go

[crazy man]

Interesting pipe dyno charts of a CRF250R. 35HP Is probably a resonable realible expectation. Which isn't too far off a standard RS125R. There is potential for it but there is a-lot of money in changing those valve thingies.

Best you start learning to alloy weld Mr Bagshaw ;).

http://www.dirtrider.com/141_0406_retraction/index.htmll used to dyno l lot of these bikes. not one in stock put out over 24hp the best pipe we tryed gained 2.5 hp. 90% of engines lost power with cams, high comp piston, ignition system. ported head. l must of dynoed over 20 of them . l dont beleave anyone else till l see it been done. even l was told never to tell anyone on what they went like. l think the 120k gearing they have make them fell not to bad. l would say its posable to get some good hp from one but takes someone that realy knows what there doing

[steveyb]

All of the above may well be true, but correct me if I am wrong, with the light weight of the bike overall, and the vastly improved torque curve of the 250 over the 125 is it not so that the gearing on the 250 can be a lot taller and hence the speeds of the bikes will be similar at the end of the day?
But yes, ultimately if the 250 is to be truely truely competitive with good 125 bikes I would think that various hop-up stuff would need to be done. Maybe not a huge amount of work, but as an example as mentioned above, one needs to put the CRF250R top end on the CRF250X bottom to get the basis of the motor needed for this sort of thing.

Just buy the thing and get on with it will ya?

I would do it myself with Qualman making a mess of the welding, but I need the money and would like to keep the engine and stuff out of the bike. :-(

[oyster]

Make sure it doesn't end up a bucket. It's all legal and it's a free world, but in my opinion a technical moral crime. Too many of those beautiful handbuilt GP chassis are ending up there lately. Like turning a Manx Norton engine into a workshop compressor

[speedpro]

Make sure it doesn't end up a bucket. It's all legal and it's a free world, but in my opinion a technical moral crime. Too many of those beautiful handbuilt GP chassis are ending up there lately. Like turning a Manx Norton engine into a workshop compressor

What an arse. Check Nigel Duff's bucket before commenting on RS buckets. There's others that would put "real" bikes to shame.

[CHOPPA]

What an arse. Check Nigel Duff's bucket before commenting on RS buckets. There's others that would put "real" bikes to shame.

Thats like saying but the manx would make a really good compressor

[steveyb]

Make sure it doesn't end up a bucket. It's all legal and it's a free world, but in my opinion a technical moral crime. Too many of those beautiful handbuilt GP chassis are ending up there lately. Like turning a Manx Norton engine into a workshop compressor

Unfortunately I do not have that luxury. Have already had to sell one to a prospective bucket bike maker, but thankfully he is 'losing sleep' over the decision to go ahead or not!!
Many more sleepless nights I hope......

[Ivan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHePYYsx9Gg&feature=related

Here is one allready done

[Ivan]

these here are the Japanese racing these years ago, looking at the video the speed they have is quite quick allready considering these are using just motox engines and the sound isnt to bad

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Nw6ZxiaMns&feature=related

[quallman1234]

Unfortunately I do not have that luxury. Have already had to sell one to a prospective bucket bike maker, but thankfully he is 'losing sleep' over the decision to go ahead or not!!
Many more sleepless nights I hope......

Haha, i wouldn't be doing any welding! I know my limits ;).

Argh, i hate to show you this. But its too late one of your ex bikes is heading that way. Its not Andrew's one either.
Looks like one of your 95's?

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=243325&d=1311310126

Should be against the law, punishable by hanging.

[Ivan]

Haha, i wouldn't be doing any welding! I know my limits ;).

Argh, i hate to show you this. But its too late one of your ex bikes is heading that way. Its not Andrew's one either.
Looks like one of your 95's?

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=243325&d=1311310126

Should be against the law, punishable by hanging.

have to agree there,
I will probably cry if I see Williams old 98 come on here as a bucket bike, I dont mind buckets at all just would prefer to see it being used on a full size track and yes this might upset a few bucket guys I dont hate you guys I love buckets just theres some bikes that shouldnt be bucket frames yet haha

[Yow Ling]

have to agree there,
I will probably cry if I see Williams old 98 come on here as a bucket bike, I dont mind buckets at all just would prefer to see it being used on a full size track and yes this might upset a few bucket guys I dont hate you guys I love buckets just theres some bikes that shouldnt be bucket frames yet haha

Hey Ivan down here buckets are run on full tracks, so you ok with it now

[Ivan]

Hey Ivan down here buckets are run on full tracks, so you ok with it now

I guess im ok with it and wasnt trying to sound negative my favourite bucket I rode was Jayt Lawrences pre 95 rg50 rs125 hybrid, something like a yzf125 or cbr150 id be more happy with haha but would prefer to see a yzf250 or 450 in it

[steveyb]

Haha, i wouldn't be doing any welding! I know my limits ;).

Argh, i hate to show you this. But its too late one of your ex bikes is heading that way. Its not Andrew's one either.
Looks like one of your 95's?

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=243325&d=1311310126

Should be against the law, punishable by hanging.

Hmmmmm.... I think I know that one.
He'll get the jandal for that!!
He knows who he is........

[quallman1234]

Hmmmmm.... I think I know that one.
He'll get the jandal for that!!
He knows who he is........

Use a steel pole that teach him. Come round you can borrow one.

I have no problem with Pre 95 125GP bikes being used.
I do find it sad seeing the potential of a post 95 RS bike being turned into a bucket. Purpose built engines and what not, potential to win the nz nationals in the right hands. etc etc

I guess its the future though! Pre 95 RS's as buckets have been around a fair while now!

Anyway, back on topic. Someone chuck a 250 in this and see what happens.

[F5 Dave]

Thats like saying but the manx would make a really good compressor
My old compressor has just blown up (whilst porting my bucket), so I do need a new compressor, . . . but I can't imagine an old piece of British crap would fare any better than the Chinese 2 bob item I had before. Actually it survived 5 hard years on no maintenance so case in point.:innocent:

[scott411]

if you put a MX based engine in one of these it will be very maitainence happy, i know people that ride MX bikes fast and they will be doing pistons and valve's at 25 hours tops, if not earlier, and even average road racers will rev them much harder than the mx boys do due to the longer straights,

there was an article put on here a while ago about an american racer talking about how much it cost to keep his F450 going, and they do not rev any where near has hard as a 250F will,

Going from 125 2 strokes to 250 four strokes has made MX racing much more expensive, to the point where people are leaving MX, its sad to see road racing is going to make the same mistake

[cowpoos]

What would ya put in it and why? NZ realistic of course

KFX 250 or RMZ 250 engines....have a nosey on google and see what reviewers say about them....engines that is.

[Ivan]

If anyone is interested in a complete Honda NX4 (post '95) RS125 rolling chassis for making their own Moto 3 conversion please contact me.

did you end up selling this

[jasonu]

Here is another bucket 97 RS (work in progress) so stick that up your arse.
BTW how much for the afore mentioned RS chassis???

[Crasherfromwayback]

Make sure it doesn't end up a bucket. It's all legal and it's a free world, but in my opinion a technical moral crime. Too many of those beautiful handbuilt GP chassis are ending up there lately. Like turning a Manx Norton engine into a workshop compressor

Agree 100%


What an arse. Check Nigel Duff's bucket before commenting on RS buckets. There's others that would put "real" bikes to shame.

Think you're missing his point.

[bucketracer]

Make sure it doesn't end up a bucket. It's all legal and it's a free world, but in my opinion a technical moral crime. Too many of those beautiful handbuilt GP chassis are ending up there lately. Like turning a Manx Norton engine into a workshop compressor

Get real ....... Buckets is where its at, there are more Bucket riders than any other RR class.

Also there is more engine tuning knowledge and development effort applied to Buckets than in any other class too.

Check the #6 and ESE threads in the Bucket forum. Everyone else is just Babies ....... compaired to the Bucket tuners.

Good engines deserve good frames.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Get real ....... Buckets is where its at, there are more Bucket riders than any other RR class.

Also there is more engine tuning knowledge and development effort applied to Buckets than in any other class too.

Check the #6 and ESE threads in the Bucket forum. Everyone else is just Babies ....... compaired to the Bucket tuners.

Good engines deserve good frames.

I agree there are some awesome engine tuners involved in buckets. But they should get as good at building their own chassis as well then.

[TZ350]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fTE6AfPbUg

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Team ESE Bucketers are pretty serious, they even have their own dyno ..........

244931

Some of the better GP125 and 600 riders (and no doubt others) run a Bucket to keep their race fitness up.

244930

These are Graphs of the above RS framed air cooled 1978 Suzuki GP125 running a 24mm carb and testing different pipes.

[crazy man]

Get real ....... Buckets is where its at, there are more Bucket riders than any other RR class.

Also there is more engine tuning knowledge and development effort applied to Buckets than in any other class too.

Check the #6 and ESE threads in the Bucket forum. Everyone else is just Babies ....... compaired to the Bucket tuners.

Good engines deserve good frames.to me its getting out of the character of what bucket racing is all about

[Crasherfromwayback]

to me its getting out of the character of what bucket racing is all about

That's how I see it.

[TZ350]

to me its getting out of the character of what bucket racing is all about

How does a 30hp Suzuki from the 70's not fit with the spirt of F4 racing? Any way what was F4 and F5 Minature Road Race all about .......... if it wasn't innovation and putting together the best on track unit you could.

[F5 Dave]

to me its getting out of the character of what bucket racing is all about
So no to chequebook racing then?

That is a build it rather than buy it ethos & is to be admired.

. . . . Having said that Scott, if we peeked in your garage, would we see the Hot Pepsi rep TF100 Ziffle built? The fast but fragile RD50 Sales Built, the NZ speed record holding GT50 again Sales, the GP winning RG50 VB built, the hub centre steered K100 C.Wheeler built?

Have I missed any?:Police:

When I updated my RG50 I looked at what I could do with the std frame having gone down a dead end with rear suspension & lookiing to start again. A chance $300 '91 RS frame was a 'why wouldn't you' cheap option. I bought an old bike with RS wheels some years later for $150. & people call me a big spender.

[bucketracer]

to me its getting out of the character of what bucket racing is all about


Scott, if we peeked in your garage, would we see the Hot Pepsi rep TF100 Ziffle built? The fast but fragile RD50 Sales Built, the NZ speed record holding GT50 again Sales, the GP winning RG50 VB built, the hub centre steered K100 C.Wheeler built?

Fawwwwk buying someone elses finished Bucket and not building your own, thats not what bucket racing has ever been about.

[Henk]

to me its getting out of the character of what bucket racing is all about

Maybe, however it is bucket RACING and at the end of the day if it falls within the letter of the rules rather than the spirit it's no less legal. People also said FXRs were against the spirit of bucket racing and they have pretty much saved the class, in Auckland at least.

[crazy man]

How does a 30hp Suzuki from the 70's not fit with the spirt of F4 racing? Any way what was F4 and F5 Minature Road Race all about .......... if it wasn't innovation and putting together the best on track unit you could.l do not care about the engines as long as its not a gp one

[TZ350]

People also said FXRs were against the spirit of bucket racing and they have pretty much saved the class, in Auckland at least.

Thank God for the FXR's, bigger fields and more people, it would be a lonely race class without them.

[crazy man]

So no to chequebook racing then?

That is a build it rather than buy it ethos & is to be admired.

. . . . Having said that Scott, if we peeked in your garage, would we see the Hot Pepsi rep TF100 Ziffle built? The fast but fragile RD50 Sales Built, the NZ speed record holding GT50 again Sales, the GP winning RG50 VB built, the hub centre steered K100 C.Wheeler built?

Have I missed any?:Police:

When I updated my RG50 I looked at what I could do with the std frame having gone down a dead end with rear suspension & lookiing to start again. A chance $300 '91 RS frame was a 'why wouldn't you' cheap option. I bought an old bike with RS wheels some years later for $150. & people call me a big spender.l only have the gt50 just borrowed the rest. theTF100 Ziffle built engine went bang years ago. had to build a new engine for nealy every bucket iv bought because all build so shit

[crazy man]

Thank God for the FXR's, bigger fields and more people, it would be a lonely race class without them.l like the fxr150 good for someone that wants to ride with not to much hassle

[TZ350]

l do not care about the engines as long as its not a gp one

Building frames does't interest me, we tried but the original Suzuki GP frame was just not going to ever cut the mustard. I am using an FZR250 frame now but look enviously at the Honda GP units, they are such neat looking outfits.

[TZ350]

l like the fxr150 good for someone that wants to ride with not to much hassle

Yes it allows a lot of good people to go racing who don't want to have to spend a lot of time building something first and its keeping Buckets alive so the fiddlers like me can still afford to go racing too.

[TZ350]

If anyone is interested in a complete Honda NX4 (post '95) RS125 rolling chassis for making their own Moto 3 conversion please contact me.

Anyway did you sell it? I am looking for a new Bucket chassis.......

[crazy man]

Anyway did you sell it? I am looking for a new Bucket chassis.......lm the chequebook racer so lm told so lm buying it

[Buckets4Me]

lm the chequebook racer so lm told so lm buying it


ha ha only if you sign the cheqe first :shit:

now whats this about an rs frame for sale ?

[Buckets4Me]

Haha, i wouldn't be doing any welding! I know my limits ;).

Argh, i hate to show you this. But its too late one of your ex bikes is heading that way. Its not Andrew's one either.
Looks like one of your 95's?

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=243325&d=1311310126

Should be against the law, punishable by hanging.


haha you guys are a bunch of turds

you can cut one up and put a dirty motorxer in it but not a decent 2 stroke F4 engine ????


the shame :no:

[Buckets4Me]

I agree there are some awesome engine tuners involved in buckets. But they should get as good at building their own chassis as well then.


get real what other class dose that

and you guys are ok with putting a smelly diesel engine into this frame

[Buckets4Me]

Thats like saying but the manx would make a really good compressor


are they that unreliable that you woudn't even use it for a compressor ?
:laugh:

[slowpoke]

C'mon you GP purists, the Bucketeers are givin' ya a shellac'n!

[CHOPPA]

C'mon you GP purists, the Bucketeers are givin' ya a shellac'n!

I dont wanna hurt there little feelings mate! haha Actually I have been searchin trade me for a bike haha If ya cant beat em join em!

Id like to get involved with the local bucket scene so I can get Nixon involved when he can ride

[crazy man]

I dont wanna hurt there little feelings mate! haha Actually I have been searchin trade me for a bike haha If ya cant beat em join em!

Id like to get involved with the local bucket scene so I can get Nixon involved when he can ridea push bike is all you need to bet most of these guys

[Buckets4Me]

I dont wanna hurt there little feelings mate! haha Actually I have been searchin trade me for a bike haha If ya cant beat em join em!

Id like to get involved with the local bucket scene so I can get Nixon involved when he can ride


come on up to Mt wellington this sunday :Punk:
will sort out a bike you can try out :wings:

[Buckets4Me]

a push bike is all you need to bet most of these guys


that would only beat us home from the pub

cant you come up with something better ?

or even better come to a track and show us how good you arn't :laugh:

[Buckets4Me]

C'mon you GP purists, the Bucketeers are givin' ya a shellac'n!


whats this GP purists shit
they where talking about putting a 4 stroke shitter in the rs frame :no:
thats not in the spirit of anything

[Crasherfromwayback]

get real what other class dose that

and you guys are ok with putting a smelly diesel engine into this frame

Well you're not allowed GP engines...so why the frames?

[Buckets4Me]

Well you're not allowed GP engines...so why the frames?


why not ?

:shit: :violin:

[Crasherfromwayback]

why not ?

:shit: :violin:

Personally...I don't see the difference.

[slowpoke]

whats this GP purists shit
they where talking about putting a 4 stroke shitter in the rs frame :no:
thats not in the spirit of anything

Haha, you've got a point! I'm just tryin' to coax 'em up off the canvas so you can give 'em another whoopin' :corn:

[Buckets4Me]

Personally...I don't see the difference.


and that may be a problem for you
if you cant tell an engine from a frame I am very sorry for you :laugh:
maby spec savers could help

[quallman1234]

Ride a well running RS125 before you convert it to a bucket.
Then tell me, if you should do it.

I can understand if there's RS125 frames hanging around, but removing the engine from one and put a bucket engine in there isn't acceptable.

[Crasherfromwayback]

and that may be a problem for you
if you cant tell an engine from a frame I am very sorry for you :laugh:
maby spec savers could help

No need to feel sorry for me. I've built and ridden two stroke race bikes that've won national championships. Eyes sight's pretty good too.

[codgyoleracer]

[QUOTE=Buckets4Me;1130133101]why not ?

Availabilty to the masses might be a reason ?, They are pretty rare just like most bucket riders talent..........

(ther ya go slowpoke)

[Buckets4Me]

Ride a well running RS125 before you convert it to a bucket.
Then tell me, if you should do it.

I can understand if there's RS125 frames hanging around, but removing the engine from one and put a bucket engine in there isn't acceptable.


hang on whats the title of this thread ???? rs125 for moto3 conversion

so we can rip the engine out and put a dirty 4 stroke in but not an F4 2 stroke ??:no:



[QUOTE=Buckets4Me;1130133101]why not ?

Availabilty to the masses might be a reason ?, They are pretty rare just like most bucket riders talent..........

(ther ya go slowpoke)
havent seen to many REAL RACERS come and beat us on our home turff :laugh: (they usualy fall off and dont come back)
the last one i remember was a motard rider (again i dont think you guys call them real racers either)

then again I havent seen 40+ real racers line a grid in a long LONG time!

[F5 Dave]

He's got a point. We are talking about putting a dirty Diesel in an RS frame -surely a travesty.

Poor Dr Bob just trying to peddle his wares, sorry for turning this thread into a shitfest:laugh:

[codgyoleracer]

havent seen to many REAL RACERS come and beat us on our home turff :laugh: (they usualy fall off and dont come back)
the last one i remember was a motard rider (again i dont think you guys call them real racers either)

then again I havent seen 40+ real racers line a grid in a long LONG time!


Funny you should say that as last time i did a bit of Bookay racing - I crashed my brains out. Bloody good fun though.

Must remember to tell Dave Manuel, Gary C , Skatchil & Co , that they are not real racers next time i see em......

[Grumph]

Put whatever you like in it - it only puts up the value of the unmolested ones....

Just don't cut it about too much as some poor bastard may want to restore an RS125 in about 15 years time....

[oyster]

Correct me if I'm wrong but buckets started with commuter bikes whipping around airforce runway areas in good old lunchtime fun. Then it became an official MNZ class, where the idea morphed into modifying said modest bikes and making/modifying your own bits to bring a bit of "formula" originality and workshop creativity into it. I'm right with that, I still have my homemade framed twin cam four valve 125 hybrid.
I doubt the rulemakers way back then ever considered people would go out get GP bikes and put commuter motors in them. Maybe Aussies got it right when they adopted buckets from us. Their rules specifically require original components only. IE same motors /frame/wheels/forks

[Crasherfromwayback]

Correct me if I'm wrong but buckets started with commuter bikes whipping around airforce runway areas in good old lunchtime fun.

Think you're wasting your time. Obviously someone along the line has got his panties in such a bunch about getting beat, that he rushed out to buy GP equipment thinking it won't happen again...and the ball starts rolling.

[jasonu]

I doubt the rulemakers way back then ever considered people would go out get GP bikes and put commuter motors in them.

Yes and I'll bet they didn't forsee the Steadman clan watercooling TF motors and mateing RG400 cylinders to KE gearboxes either and no one had a problem with that.
It is called progress, I'm sorry if you find it confusing...

[Billy]

Yes and I'll bet they didn't forsee the Steadman clan watercooling TF motors and mateing RG400 cylinders to KE gearboxes either and no one had a problem with that.
It is called progress, I'm sorry if you find it confusing...

Of course they did,Jimmy,Pete Sales were among the founders of bucket racing,

Progress!!!Whats the difference between allowing Grandprix chassis and Grandprix engines???

progress was "Wheels" centre hub steering bucket,Grandprix chassis are just cheating cause you dont have a clue how build/modify the roadbased frame,

You do realise "Bucket racing" is a shortened version of "Bucket of shit " racing dont you,It was intended too be EXACTLY what pete has described

[Crasherfromwayback]

and that may be a problem for you
if you cant tell an engine from a frame I am very sorry for you :laugh:
maby spec savers could help


Progress!!!Whats the difference between allowing Grandprix chassis and Grandprix engines???



Apparently everything according to old Buckets4Me. Would appear to me the whole bucket scene is getting out of hand.

[Kendog]

Would appear to me the whole bucket scene is getting out of hand.
Come along one Sunday to Kaitoke. 30 odd bikes all different types, hard out racing each other. Often for no more than bragging rights. Awesome!!

[Crasherfromwayback]

Come along one Sunday to Kaitoke. 30 odd bikes all different types, hard out racing each other. Often for no more than bragging rights. Awesome!!

It's been cancelled Bro.

[Kendog]

It's been cancelled Bro.
I saw that, there will be another day.
Even better, bring your gear and have a blast on my bike. It's not one of those flashy GP bikes sorry, but it's ok. It's a Suzuki after all :)

[Billy]

Apparently everything according to old Buckets4Me. Would appear to me the whole bucket scene is getting out of hand.

Well that shows how long hes been around then dunnit!!! and furthermore to his claims,Over the years Ive seen plenty of as he puts it "proper racers" get on a bucket and win straight away,Including Dave Cole,Mike Perrin and myself back in 89,Still he was prolly getting his butt wiped by mummy back then,What a winner!!Havent noticed anybody jump off a bucketracer and win a proper race immediately either by the way,Can anybody name one????

[Deano]

I'm off out to buy a Britten frame and chuck a Gixxer thou motor in it.

I'm going to burgle clubman's !!

Might involve some cutting, grinding etc to make it all work.....

:laugh:

I've ridden Hel's FXR150 at Kaitoke and it was a fucken hoot alright. Very close to binning it though - fucken crap ground clearance eh !

If it's within the rules then people will always exploit it and go to the nth degree in order to get a competitive advantage (some fuckers will go further the cheating bastards !)

Doesn't it show how far bucket racing has come since its inception, that people are looking for every advantage ? Is there really anything wrong with that ?

[F5 Dave]

It's been cancelled Bro.
postponed. By the kart club. To next weekend.

[Crasherfromwayback]

postponed. By the kart club. To next weekend.

Can hardly blame them either! I for sure will come and have a gander one day...as it looks like a shitload of fun.

[Crasherfromwayback]

I saw that, there will be another day.
Even better, bring your gear and have a blast on my bike. It's not one of those flashy GP bikes sorry, but it's ok. It's a Suzuki after all :)

Very kind offer met. But I'm too fat for my leathers now, and I also never ride anyone elses bike/s. But I will come for a good old perv one day.

[F5 Dave]

Seems to me that everyone who bleats on about the 'spirit of bucket racing' is either moaning as they only have thru'pence to rub together & it doesn't suit their budget, or aren't actually involved. Sounds like the old days of MNZ cronies dictating what the racers do. Bucket rules have been the same for years & years & seem to work ok, but some people like to spend an age deciding what some of us have been doing for ages (over 20 yrs personally) & enjoying is not valid or not the way it should be.

Let the riders decide. Hmm, heard that before somewhere.:confused: Can we move on & someone please buy that good bugger Steves bike so he doesn't have to sell a kidney or whatever.

[Yow Ling]

Well that shows how long hes been around then dunnit!!! and furthermore to his claims,Over the years Ive seen plenty of as he puts it "proper racers" get on a bucket and win straight away,Including Dave Cole,Mike Perrin and myself back in 89,Still he was prolly getting his butt wiped by mummy back then,What a winner!!Havent noticed anybody jump off a bucketracer and win a proper race immediately either by the way,Can anybody name one????

Cam Jones
Al Hoogie
Dennis Charlet

oops thats 3, cross 2 out if you need too

[Str8 Jacket]

I've ridden Hel's FXR150 at Kaitoke and it was a fucken hoot alright. Very close to binning it though - fucken crap ground clearance eh !


Mines a horrible piece of pooh, you need to try someone elses....

Very kind offer met. But I'm too fat for my leathers now, and I also never ride anyone elses bike/s. But I will come for a good old perv one day.

and then again..... great policy. I managed to total someone elses bucket not so long ago..... :facepalm:

[Ivan]

Yeah but putting a commuter motor in this chassis is differnt thn putting a competiotion based four stroke motor completly differnt,

Why not do what im doing for a bucket have a 96 rs125 honda and copying it and building my own frame get alot more satisfaction to seeing something you cut and bent pipes for coming together... I say someone buy this put a rs motor back in or slap in a yzf250

[Crasherfromwayback]

and then again..... great policy. I managed to total someone elses bucket not so long ago..... :facepalm:

Yeah. If I'm gonna fuck something (apart from my GF), it might as well be mine.

[Str8 Jacket]

Yeah. If I'm gonna fuck something (apart from my GF), it might as well be mine.

Yep, I always refused to borrow someone else bucket. Looked what happened when I did....

[F5 Dave]

Depends what you call immediately as well. Chris Sherrifs on his RS (that slocoach brother of his took a while bouncing uncompetitive bikes around). Av Biddle if you count 150s, but I suppose you wouldn't. And a squatt load more that don't fall into the immediately category.

[Deano]

Very kind offer met. But I'm too fat for my leathers now, and I also never ride anyone elses bike/s. But I will come for a good old perv one day.

That's two gems of excuses there bro !! :laugh:

[Yow Ling]

Without Bucket racers pre 95 RS125's would be piled 10 high at the local tip.

They just scrap, nobody outside buckets uses them, not even really collectable, use em up before we run out of oil I say !

[Deano]

Without Bucket racers pre 95 RS125's would be piled 10 high at the local tip.

They just scrap, nobody outside buckets uses them, not even really collectable, use em up before we run out of oil I say !

Oh come on - they wouldn't be at the tip bro - there must be a dozen beers worth of scrap alloy there ? :shit:

[Crasherfromwayback]

That's two gems of excuses there bro !! :laugh:

I don't make excuses mate. Just race different things now as moto cross pants are way cheaper to 'upsize' than new taylor made leathers!

[bucketracer]

Ride a well running RS125 before you convert it to a bucket.


If anyone is interested in a complete Honda NX4 (post '95) RS125 rolling chassis for making their own Moto 3 conversion please contact me.

What was on offer is not a well running RS125 and its probably not economic to get serviceable as a GP racer again or it would have been done, most RS's that get converted look like they have pretty much reached the end of their service life as a competitive GP bike.

So tell me, how does re birthing it as a Moto 3 make it a more legitimate racer than a F4, the riding and competition is just as fierce in both classes, maybe a bit more so at the sharp end of Buckets.

Moto 3 or F4, they are both hard out race classes.

[Ivan]

pre 95 rs I have no problem with late model like this not yet as buckets i say these are still capable f3 moto3 etc

[Yow Ling]

pre 95 rs I have no problem with late model like this not yet as buckets i say these are still capable f3 moto3 etc

So you are saying what, ok to butcher a frame for the big classes, not ok to butcher for buckets

Ivan for MNZ president !!!!!!!!!

[bucketracer]

late model like this not yet as buckets i say these are still capable f3 moto3 etc

That's a lot like saying "I wont let my daughter marry a white man".

Buckets seems to have more capable engineers than the other classes (except maybe classics), the last RS that I saw converted was a failed F3 project, started but not finished, to technical apparently ........... :rolleyes: yeh right!

So, just why do you think F3 Moto3 Etc is more appropriate than F4? I would be very interested in a reasoned answer to that question.

[Ivan]

did you see Scotty Moirs RS CRF450??? sickest F3 bike apart from the gimpsta machine which is sick then Glens Custom framed SV! I didnt say buckets has bad engineering I think using a genuine GP chassis designed for fast flowing circuits and taking it to stop go circuits isnt right the frame still has potential in F3 or Moto3 but a lpate model RS Chassis is going to not work to its potential on a tight go cart circuit. How many RS125 hondas have you guys ridden and I mean proper RS hondas on full circuits and then RS buckets on stop go circuits like I have. I was racing my 96 RS at the time they handle like a dream and flow on a fast wide circuit but the following weekend I rode a Rg50 powered RS and it was a good bike but didnt have the full capability of the chassis and it felt like it was unstable on the small circuits and wanted to fall over

like i say ive rode both and no to the cocks who are gonna say it im not tryna say im fast either before some of you wankers yes you know who you are who always diss my riding come on and say it

[Ivan]

oh and the reason to throw a four stroke in this? FMX is were power is needed fast to pull of backflips etc have you noticed X fighters this season alot of guys are running 4 stroke why they now fast powerful from the word go and not to heavy cant wait to see moto3!

[bucketracer]

like i say ive rode both and no to the cocks who are gonna say it im not tryna say im fast either before some of you wankers yes you know who you are who always diss my riding come on and say it

There is absolutely no way I can dis your riding, personally I am one of those guys who has to claim its all about the fun.


did you see Scotty Moirs RS CRF450??? sickest F3 bike apart from the gimpsta machine which is sick then Glens Custom framed SV!

Yes there are some awesome RS/F3 conversions ..........


I think using a genuine GP chassis designed for fast flowing circuits and taking it to stop go circuits isnt right the frame still has potential in F3 or Moto3 but a lpate model RS Chassis is going to not work to its potential on a tight go cart circuit. How many RS125 hondas have you guys ridden and I mean proper RS hondas on full circuits and then RS buckets on stop go circuits like I have.

Personally, none, but one of the Team ESE riders is very familiar with riding GP125's at the pointy end and she absolutely swears by her ESE RS/GP125 F4 bike.

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She placed 2nd in A grade at the last Mt Welly meeting, ahead of some other current or ex GP125 riders peddling around on their FXR's.

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As for flowing, your not going anywhere at Mt Welly (which has to be one of the shortest kart tracks used for F4 in NZ) if your not flowing.

I think Buckets is the perfect place for old RS rollers, the ones I have seen have cost about the same as a good FXR, true there is the engine and conversion, but all in all a much nicer bike and a joy to ride and pride of ownership is way up there.

[Yow Ling]

oh and the reason to throw a four stroke in this? FMX is were power is needed fast to pull of backflips etc have you noticed X fighters this season alot of guys are running 4 stroke why they now fast powerful from the word go and not to heavy cant wait to see moto3!

Backflips in F3 would be a crowd puller, I think you are onto something here.

[SS90]

Some pretty valid points from Ivan regarding the factthat RS frames are really not used to their full potential on a Kartsport track.

It does seem a little as though some less skilled pilots attempt to make up for their short commings as a rider by over compensating with an extremely well handling frame....... Personally I don't think they should be allowed, but again, valid points have been made regarding the fact that (due to Kartsport generally), their have been a few rolling chassis up for grabs over the years, and, if the price is right, then why not (sort of like passing up a one night stand, just because she is a little drunk.... if you don't take it, someone else will)

The end result is, as long as it is within the rules, they will continue to run.

In the end, it will be if you don't have an RS chassis, you won't win...well, on a long circuit anyway...... on a Kart track, I can't see it being a "must have".... there are plenty of riders that have, (and still would) ride rings around an RS Chassis, on little more than a commuter bike frame, fitted with 17in wheels and slicks.

[Ivan]

There is absolutely no way I can dis your riding, personally I am one of those guys who has to claim its all about the fun.



Yes there are some awesome RS/F3 conversions ..........



Personally, none, but one of the Team ESE riders is very familiar with riding GP125's at the pointy end and she absolutely swears by her ESE RS/GP125 F4 bike.

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She placed 2nd in A grade at the last Mt Welly meeting, ahead of some other current or ex GP125 riders peddling around on their FXR's.

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As for flowing, your not going anywhere at Mt Welly (which has to one of the shortest kart tracks used for F4 in NZ) if your not flowing.

I think Buckets is the perfect place for old RS rollers, the ones I have seen have cost about the same as a good FXR, true there is the engine and conversion, but all in all a much nicer bike and a joy to ride and pride of ownership is way up there.



wasnt aimed at you man, theres a few people on this site who like to diss me any chance they have

[bucketracer]

....... wasnt aimed at you man ......

Its all good ..... I didn't take it that way .......... and probably most people would agree with you and can sound reasonable about it.

But you do get the odd bod from the industry spouting their mind numbing advice, scratch the surface and they don't have anything.

The point I was trying to make was, F4, F3, Moto 3 or whatever, they are all legitimate, just depends on where your heart is.

[Ivan]

again a quick glance at photo of av that a pre 95 rs??? like I say I dont mind those bikes they are old and no one uses them competitvly at nz level but this rs steve has is still capable of front running with the right engine in it, but a go cart track this late model handling looses all potential do you know what I mean? a 93 rs chassis and a 98 rs chassis on a proper circuit the 98 is gonna blitz all over it but in buckets a 93 and 98 are going to have the same handling basically as you cant use them to there potential, Av probably swears by it cause she is used to racing a RS

[bucketracer]

Hampton Downs Pukekohe and Taupo spring to mind and our ESE engines are making reasonable hp .............

So I think the later RS's will get a reasonable workout chasing Street Stocks and 250 Pro Lights and on track days probably diss a few big bikes too, just for fun mind.

[Ivan]

also im not trying to pick any trouble here,

I love buckets, they gave me a start into racing I love the racing it produces,

[F5 Dave]

I'm off out to buy a Britten frame and chuck a Gixxer thou motor in it.

I'm going to burgle clubman's !!

Might involve some cutting, grinding etc to make it all work.....

Ahh go on, you'll never finish it old man. I can see the trade me add already:laugh:

Besides Clubmans at the pointy end these days might be a bit embarrassing:confused:. I hear its not in the spirit of Clubmans anymore. Now lets get onto these Bears wankas. 4 valve engines? Heck when I grew up one valve was enough. And that was on my Powervalve. Which incidentally I want to be allowed to race in Bears. Bloody racist beggers.

Ok what is up with the 9-12yr old Trailbike class? Bloody national championship class? Why - I think we should all have to race trailbikes, with some of these flips Ivan is on about.

Sorry this is where I came in I think:laugh:

[Buckets4Me]

wasnt aimed at you man, theres a few people on this site who like to diss me any chance they have


it was probably aimed at me.I read the thread where IVAN tryed to butcher an rs and make it into a decent bucket and failed! :laugh::no:

I can see why he wouldn't want a nice gp frame to go threw that again :shit:
but a race bike is a race bike and just because he is stink at it dosent mean other people arn't

racing is racing and I like it (not fast) but I do like having a nice bike and riding it as best I can

If i dont do it justice tuff titty (there are a lot of other Real races that dont do there bikes justice either)

[Buckets4Me]

Well that shows how long hes been around then dunnit!!! and furthermore to his claims,Over the years Ive seen plenty of as he puts it "proper racers" get on a bucket and win straight away,Including Dave Cole,Mike Perrin and myself back in 89,Still he was prolly getting his butt wiped by mummy back then,What a winner!!Havent noticed anybody jump off a bucketracer and win a proper race immediately either by the way,Can anybody name one????

I think 4 have been named :laugh: :wings:

[Buckets4Me]

Maybe Aussies got it right when they adopted buckets from us. Their rules specifically require original components only. IE same motors /frame/wheels/forks


what they run around with 80cc mx motors in rs frames ??

dosent sound like same engine frame wheels forks to me ?

[F5 Dave]

Of course they did,Jimmy,Pete Sales were among the founders of bucket racing,

Progress!!!Whats the difference between allowing Grandprix chassis and Grandprix engines???

progress was "Wheels" centre hub steering bucket,Grandprix chassis are just cheating cause you dont have a clue how build/modify the roadbased frame,

You do realise "Bucket racing" is a shortened version of "Bucket of shit " racing dont you,It was intended too be EXACTLY what pete has described
Yeah Jason was doing this 20 odd yrs ago too.
OK why don't we all just agree that proper racers of real bikes are all much better than Bucket racers & are all much braver & have much much larger penis's than we do & whilst sometimes we are allowed at the grown ups meetings we all stand in corners to change cowering to hide our ever so small appendages.

I'd like to collectively apologise for our non valid sport where grown men ride undersize bikes. I'd also like to apologise for appearing to have fun year after year attending meetings where $40 will get you racing five or six times a day, or 12 if you have a 50 as well. We understand that this is bad form & can't help ourselves even though we have to live with the shame. Further we'd like to thank the real racers for selling us your old slicks that somehow seem to last another 4 seasons racing the above schedule until they are given to someone starting out. We are genuinely pond scum.

No need to feel sorry for me. I've built and ridden two stroke race bikes that've won national championships. Eyes sight's pretty good too.Even after all that masturbation?

That being said, at least we can look down on sad old was-been ex 250 prodi racers who now have to make up for their inadequacies by dating beautiful young girls half their age, its pathetic, at least we don't have to endure that. We'll have a whip around for a food parcel or something.

[Ivan]

it was probably aimed at me.I read the thread where IVAN tryed to butcher an rs and make it into a decent bucket and failed! :laugh::no:

I can see why he wouldn't want a nice gp frame to go threw that again :shit:
but a race bike is a race bike and just because he is stink at it dosent mean other people arn't

racing is racing and I like it (not fast) but I do like having a nice bike and riding it as best I can

If i dont do it justice tuff titty (there are a lot of other Real races that dont do there bikes justice either)


Were did I aim it at you???? it was aimed at people who want to insult my riding when i try say something on here not aimed at guys tryna build bikes??? and were did I butcher an RS???? I have never ever butchered one ive never cut a RS Frame up I have had a 93 rs sold it to peter knapton along with a spare frame i looked at trying to bolt a rg motor in but had to cut frame so didnt want to ruin it so sold it with the 93 had a 96 rs still sitting in my shed today and a 98 which mr bagsaw now has, so dont know were i am meant to have butchered one???? I have built my own frame off an rs125 copying lengths angles etc but never butchered one

[Ivan]

if your talking about any buckets i attempted to build i was 14 years old then I wanted to be a mechanic I loved mucking around with bikes I hardly knew anything about them and had a KIDS yes at 14 your still a kid way of thinking, I didnt think about things i did it and tryed to learn from any mistakes older people found it funny to pick on me and laugh at my attempts so be it everyone starts somewere,

now im 21 and I think if you have ever seen our track record our bikes which i work on are faultless theres nothing wrong with them we never have track break downs or any faults I know guys like Shaun have seen our bikes and will be able to say we dont butcher things! I actually take that as an insult, consdering I have the NZ 125cc land speed records using the engine me and my dad built 1 sunday afternoon and my gearing and jetting recomendations on the day cant be to bad at running a bike, maybe i dont have flash workshops and know how to make 36hp but i still know how to put together a engine which is competitve and will gaurantee its not going to blow up either, I built my brothers 125 engine he could run with Avalon before he had his crash and went to 600s

[Ivan]

it was probably aimed at me.i read the thread where ivan tryed to butcher an rs and make it into a decent bucket and failed! :laugh::no:

I can see why he wouldn't want a nice gp frame to go threw that again :shit:
But a race bike is a race bike and just because he is stink at it dosent mean other people arn't

racing is racing and i like it (not fast) but i do like having a nice bike and riding it as best i can

if i dont do it justice tuff titty (there are a lot of other real races that dont do there bikes justice either)


also read through i have never insulted buckets or the guys who build them and race them i have said i think a chassis like this has more potential to still be a nz title running bike in f3 or moto3. I have said my reasons as to why this is and i am not trying to fault you i am happy you enjoy racing i dont care how fast you are im not the fastest guy out there im proud you want a respectable looking bike i just think a late model rs frame is not suitable as a bucket frame i am not going to say why again i think 93 rs chassis are good and i dont mind them being used as they are no longer competive on fast tracks

[slowpoke]

Some pretty valid points from Ivan regarding the factthat RS frames are really not used to their full potential on a Kartsport track.


Yeah....nah. There are probably only a handful of people in NZ who can ride any machine to it's full potential. So what are the rest of us s'posed to do? Start building a shitload more go kart tracks 'cos most of us should never graduate from buckets, lol.

The Moto3 idea has some merit....but how do you justify chopping up a sexy frame for a class that isn't even raced in NZ?

DING! DING! We're deep into the middle rounds, with the Bucketeers ahead on points....

[Gigglebutton]

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Quagmire reveles the secret to what he imagines is his success with the girls.


........ (sort of like passing up a one night stand, just because she is a little drunk.... if you don't take it, someone else will) ........

Self delusion, its a big bike thing I guess, as Buckets are the premier class, more riders, more bikes, more venues than any other Road Racing class.

[SS90]

I love how many of the people posting here have never actually won a race, but still
For some reason write like the high and mighty.:scooter:

[SS90]

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Quagmire reveles the secret to what he imagines is his success with the girls.



Self delusion, its a big bike thing I guess, as Buckets are the premier class, more riders, more bikes, more venues than any other Road Racing class.

What's the matter? Still emotionally scarred from the hotel incident? You where told to keep the blindfold on!

Considering I was racing buckets, 125's, 250's, F3, CAMS and BEARS, long before many of these guys where even embryos, my opinion is as valid as anyones.

I have seen quite a few changes in buckets over the years.

[slowpoke]

That being said, at least we can look down on sad old was-been ex 250 prodi racers who now have to make up for their inadequacies by dating beautiful young girls half their age, its pathetic, at least we don't have to endure that. We'll have a whip around for a food parcel or something.

What the fuck is all that about mate? Pete's obviously doing something right 'cos Rachel isn't exactly short on brains.....and besides, everyone knows chicks dig scars. Play the bike not the man, eh? You're ruining a good bit of fun.

[White trash]

tag: this thread is awesome!

[Gigglebutton]

Considering I was racing buckets, 125's, 250's, F3, CAMS and BEARS, long before many of these guys where even embryos, my opinion is as valid as anyones.

Its not how long you have been involved or races won that makes your opinion valid, its the intelligence of the comment and insight reveled that validates it.


What's the matter? Still emotionally scarred from the hotel incident? You where told to keep the blindfold on!

Boasting and being insulting only revels you as a dipstick with little to offer .............

[Crasherfromwayback]

Even after all that masturbation?

That being said, at least we can look down on sad old was-been ex 250 prodi racers who now have to make up for their inadequacies by dating beautiful young girls half their age, its pathetic, at least we don't have to endure that. We'll have a whip around for a food parcel or something.

Goodness me! Gonna be a bit hard to look down on anyone when you're lying on the floor.

Still...at least I don't 'date' boys.

[rachprice]

That being said, at least we can look down on sad old was-been ex 250 prodi racers who now have to make up for their inadequacies by dating beautiful young girls half their age, its pathetic, at least we don't have to endure that. We'll have a whip around for a food parcel or something.

Excuse me?

Because he is older than me Im instantly some sort of fucking trophy wife?
It couldn't be because he genuinely is in love with me, as I am with him

Who are you to say thats pathetic, what is pathetic is that you a judgemental bastard, who forms opinions on things he knows nothing about

Least he isn't a bitter old cunt eh?

[Billy]

Yeah Jason was doing this 20 odd yrs ago too.
OK why don't we all just agree that proper racers of real bikes are all much better than Bucket racers & are all much braver & have much much larger penis's than we do & whilst sometimes we are allowed at the grown ups meetings we all stand in corners to change cowering to hide our ever so small appendages.

I'd like to collectively apologise for our non valid sport where grown men ride undersize bikes. I'd also like to apologise for appearing to have fun year after year attending meetings where $40 will get you racing five or six times a day, or 12 if you have a 50 as well. We understand that this is bad form & can't help ourselves even though we have to live with the shame. Further we'd like to thank the real racers for selling us your old slicks that somehow seem to last another 4 seasons racing the above schedule until they are given to someone starting out. We are genuinely pond scum.
Even after all that masturbation?

That being said, at least we can look down on sad old was-been ex 250 prodi racers who now have to make up for their inadequacies by dating beautiful young girls half their age, its pathetic, at least we don't have to endure that. We'll have a whip around for a food parcel or something.

Who said bucketracing wasnt as good as racing any other class?Who was it that implied the riders in other classes had bigger dicks than bucketracers?Who was it the implied bucketracers need to apologise to the rest of roadracers?Oh yeah,It was YOU!!!If youve got some sort of inferiority complex,Get some professional help.

In the meantime,Why dont you answer the question I asked earlier,Why is it different to allow GP chassis's than engines????Oh and by the way 2 points you need to consider,Bucketracing was introduced a lot longer than 20years ago and was introduced EXACTLY as Oyster implied,A bit of lunchtime entertainment for a bunch of bored airforce staff at Woodbourne airforce base and their mates,Later spreading to Ohakea and so on,Bout I expect you'd already know,Being the expert you are on the subject,2 Pete has more talent in his "dick" than you can ever hope to have(And I bet Rach will vouch for that haha)and he's proven it on a number of different machines,Have you????

Why do very few North Island bucketracers make an impact in streetstock ?Cause they have to race the same bike as everybody else in the class and are immediately exposed!!!

[bucketracer]

Old Vespa Boy did have some interesting stuff to say before he started on his racist rants:

Being someone from the industry he might have been an interesting contributor, but in the end it looks like he knew less than he believed.

[Yow Ling]

Why do very few North Island bucketracers make an impact in streetstock ?Cause they have to race the same bike as everybody else in the class and are immediately exposed!!!

Probably for the same reason SI bucket racers dont race streetstock, its a kiddie class and its better they have their own day in the sun. Wouldnt want to be a lollypop stealer would we ?

[Yow Ling]

While the RS125 bucket thread rages, Yow Ling has to work on his bucket or it will never be finished in time for the next SS Bucket race at Ruapuna

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[Moooools]

Excuse me?

Because he is older than me Im instantly some sort of fucking trophy wife?
It couldn't be because he genuinely is in love with me, as I am with him

Who are you to say thats pathetic, what is pathetic is that you a judgemental bastard, who forms opinions on things he knows nothing about

Least he isn't a bitter old cunt eh?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tongue-in-cheek

[Kickaha]

Probably for the same reason SI bucket racers dont race streetstock, its a kiddie class and its better they have their own day in the sun. Wouldnt want to be a lollypop stealer would we ?

But when they race mixed Bucket/SS the top buckets are in the top 1/4 of the field

[jasonu]

Grandprix chassis are just cheating cause you dont have a clue how build/modify the roadbased frame

That is quite an assumption.

As for copying a GP frame as someone has suggested, IMO that would almost certainly end up costing more $'s (not to mention heartache) to end up with something not nearly as good as the original. My 95 rolling chassis has cost me around $1200. Try building one just as good for less money. Remember to include the cost of RS or as good as usd forks, swingarm and shock, brakes, wheels, ...

[Billy]

Probably for the same reason SI bucket racers dont race streetstock, its a kiddie class and its better they have their own day in the sun. Wouldnt want to be a lollypop stealer would we ?

Really?Is that why Pete and co introduced the unders and overs class,Have you told Jock Woodley or Al and James Hoogie,Patrick Jones and indeed Johnny Small,John Ross or even Peter Jones himself of your thoughts regarding this,Pull your head out of your arse tosser!!!Ask Avalon Biddle what she learnt from me during her early years in streetstock or Ken Jones and a list waaay to long to mention of others that have benefited from having more experienced riders to learn from,

Yip best you get your detuned grand prix machine ready to beat up all the young fellas with their proper buckets.What a rockstar,RFLMAO.

[bucketracer]

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Bit of a rant there Billy ..........

[Billy]

That is quite an assumption.

As for copying a GP frame as someone has suggested, IMO that would almost certainly end up costing more $'s (not to mention heartache) to end up with something not nearly as good as the original. My 95 rolling chassis has cost me around $1200. Try building one just as good for less money. Remember to include the cost of RS or as good as usd forks, swingarm and shock, brakes, wheels, ...

Is it,Why is it then that the so called bucketracers of today have to use a purpose built grandprix chassis the and how is it not an advantage to run such a chassis,Cause Im confident if it wasnt,Then Mr Honda would have mounted his modified CR125 engines in an MB frame!!!

[rachprice]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tongue-in-cheek

Interesting, I'm all for a laugh and making fun of myself, as is pete

I am not the only one who saw that comment for what it was, a dig

[Billy]

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Bit of a rant there Billy ..........

Yeah,Its called the truth,Scary shit aye!!!

[bucketracer]

Its not how long you have been involved or races won that makes your opinion valid, its the intelligence of the comment and insight reveled that validates it.

Boasting and being insulting only revels [one] as a dipstick with little to offer .............

Gigglebuttons post was for SS90s benefit but it seems to continue to be relevant.

[jasonu]

tag: this thread is awesome!

Best one since the thread about that Fiberglass fairing company in Tauranga with the fowel mouthed customer service chick!!!

[jasonu]

In the meantime,Why dont you answer the question I asked earlier,Why is it different to allow GP chassis's than engines????


Because an RS125 chassis with an RS125 motor is an RS125 and is generally raced in the 125GP class.

[Billy]

Best one since the thread about that Fiberglass fairing company in Tauranga with the fowel mouthed customer service chick!!!

Fibreglass,Fairing company in Tauranga with a foul mouthed service chick,Whos that then?Cant be mine,Im the only one that works here!!!

And Ouch!!!I better call the 7 people waiting for bodywork for the Hyosung cup and Prolite 250 championship to fuck off then shall I,Hahahahahahaha What a winner

[Crasherfromwayback]

Yeah Jason was doing this 20 odd yrs ago too.
OK why don't we all just agree that proper racers of real bikes are all much better than Bucket racers & are all much braver & have much much larger penis's than we do & whilst sometimes we are allowed at the grown ups meetings we all stand in corners to change cowering to hide our ever so small appendages.

I'd like to collectively apologise for our non valid sport where grown men ride undersize bikes. I'd also like to apologise for appearing to have fun year after year attending meetings where $40 will get you racing five or six times a day, or 12 if you have a 50 as well. We understand that this is bad form & can't help ourselves even though we have to live with the shame. Further we'd like to thank the real racers for selling us your old slicks that somehow seem to last another 4 seasons racing the above schedule until they are given to someone starting out. We are genuinely pond scum.
Even after all that masturbation?

That being said, at least we can look down on sad old was-been ex 250 prodi racers who now have to make up for their inadequacies by dating beautiful young girls half their age, its pathetic, at least we don't have to endure that. We'll have a whip around for a food parcel or something.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tongue-in-cheek

Nothing 'Tongue in cheek' about his rant as far as I can tell. Anyone that wants to call me a wanker, then carry on to publicly slag me off ain't what I call funny.

[Yow Ling]

Really?Is that why Pete and co introduced the unders and overs class,Have you told Jock Woodley or Al and James Hoogie,Patrick Jones and indeed Johnny Small,John Ross or even Peter Jones himself of your thoughts regarding this,Pull your head out of your arse tosser!!!Ask Avalon Biddle what she learnt from me during her early years in streetstock or Ken Jones and a list waaay to long to mention of others that have benefited from having more experienced riders to learn from,

Yip best you get your detuned grand prix machine ready to beat up all the young fellas with their proper buckets.What a rockstar,RFLMAO.

Jeez man take your heart pills !
Al and James usually run buckets, Pete ran buckets at Methven. Down here over 90% of street stock is young people.
Good on Jock for running SS there are about 3 entrants in the seniorSS class . Up to 40 in buckets at times. Just because you are involved in SS doesnt make it mandatory for everyone to see things your way.
At MCI meets SS and buckets run together You choose 1 class, cant ride 2 bikes at once.
Your awesome knowledge of buckets is thin, you cant run a detuned GP bike in buckets, has to be a roadbike engine, which can be tuned however you like.
I like most other bucket guys run a FXR in a road frame, just like every other racer Im entitled to build anything that is within the rules, if that makes me a Rockstar thats cool.

[Billy]

Because an RS125 chassis with an RS125 motor is an RS125 and is generally raced in the 125GP class.

No Einstein,The question was,How is different to allow a factory built Grand Prix chassis,But not a competition based engine,Read it slowly this time .

[Moooools]

I would hate to get involved with this shit throwing contest, but I can hardly resist.

The way I see it:

Buckets get shit from 'real racers' for looking like buckets.
Buckets also get shit from 'real racers' for not looking like buckets.
There isn't really a middle ground.

People I think are slightly overestimating the number of gp framed buckets. (correct me if I am wrong)
Most people are still running stock frames or aluminium frames from road going machines.

Engine development has gone pretty far, and the ongoing running cost associated with maintaining a stupidly high performance engine wouldn't appeal to many prospective bucketers.

A good chassis sets you back a bit of dosh, but it is a one off. Keeping it going costs next to nothing.

As for people with GP chassis having an unfair advantage, you would have to be blind to walk away from a bucket event and think that there was a time gap between different types of bikes. People ride what they feel comfortable on and can have fun on. If enjoying a bike means spending the earth on a chassis so be it. If you can enjoy a poorish handling commuter frame good on ya. It doesn't really matter in the end.

In conclusion, don't try and control what people use their own property for, or who they sell it too. Let supply and demand work its magic.

Rant over.

[jasonu]

Is it,Why is it then that the so called bucketracers of today have to use a purpose built grandprix chassis the and how is it not an advantage to run such a chassis,Cause Im confident if it wasnt,Then Mr Honda would have mounted his modified CR125 engines in an MB frame!!!

Sorry mate, not totally sure where you are going with that one. Of course it is an advantage to use a GP chassis but it will not automatically make you a winner. The FXR chassis is a proven winner and there are numerous 250 proddie style rigs doing well too. Also, it will take some skill and knowledge to succesfully shoehorn an older (read longer) motor into the 95 chassis to retain the original balance of the chassis.

My reason for using the 95 roller was/is to build a bike that will be nice to ride and will most likely remain competitive in its class on different tracks like Mt Welli and Taupo long after I loose the plot (if I haven't already as I haven't raced in a while). If I show up and am shit, atleast I will know it wasn't the bikes fault.

[F5 Dave]

Nothing 'Tongue in cheek' about his rant as far as I can tell. Anyone that wants to call me a wanker, then carry on to publicly slag me off ain't what I call funny.
Hey Pete. Sorry Dude, I thought you of all people would think that was just a piss take poking a bit of fun especially following after the self depreciating humour above. But I can see how Rach who doesn't know me at all would get upset so sorry if taken the wrong way. I can see the word pathetic looked like several steps too far, but why on earth would I look down on you? Of course I don't, you're a bit of a legend. Only a bit mind.

Guys there's some winding up going on. Here was me thinking this is some of the funniest stuff I've written:mellow:

[Billy]

Jeez man take your heart pills !
Al and James usually run buckets, Patric ran buckets at the last meet I saw. Pete ran buckets at Methven. Down here over 90% of street stock is young people.
Good on Jock for running SS there are about 3 entrants in the seniorSS class . Up to 40 in buckets at times. Just because you are involved in SS doesnt make it mandatory for everyone to see things your way.
At MCI meets SS and buckets run together You choose 1 class, cant ride 2 bikes at once.
Your awesome knowledge of buckets is thin, you cant run a detuned GP bike in buckets, has to be a roadbike engine, which can be tuned however you like.
I like most other bucket guys run a FXR in a road frame, just like every other racer Im entitled to build anything that is within the rules, if that makes me a Rockstar thats cool.

Jeez Wayne,Get with the program will ya,John Ross,Johnny Small and Peter Jones all ran in the streetstock/Prolite 250 class last weekend at Levels on either Streetstock or prolite machines,As have James and Al hoogie and in fact Al entered his CBR150 in the support class at Ruapuna in Feb,

Re your bucket,It appears too me to be an early RS125 chassis with a roadbased engine,Thereforeits a detuned GP bike,Got it now????

Now isnt there a bucket forum somewhere else in the site for you racers?

[jasonu]

Fibreglass,Fairing company in Tauranga with a foul mouthed service chick,Whos that then?Cant be mine,Im the only one that works here!!!

And Ouch!!!I better call the 7 people waiting for bodywork for the Hyosung cup and Prolite 250 championship to fuck off then shall I,Hahahahahahaha What a winner

This one
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/135717-Customer-service?highlight=customer+service

[Billy]

Sorry mate, not totally sure where you are going with that one. Of course it is an advantage to use a GP chassis but it will not automatically make you a winner. The FXR chassis is a proven winner and there are numerous 250 proddie style rigs doing well too. Also, it will take some skill and knowledge to succesfully shoehorn an older (read longer) motor into the 95 chassis to retain the original balance of the chassis.

My reason for using the 95 roller was/is to build a bike that will be nice to ride and will most likely remain competitive in its class on different tracks like Mt Welli and Taupo long after I loose the plot (if I haven't already as I haven't raced in a while). If I show up and am shit, atleast I will know it wasn't the bikes fault.

Agreed that using a GP chassis wont automatically make you a winner,Neither will fitting a KX/RM/YZ 80 to a GP 125 chassis,So what the difference???

[jasonu]

No Einstein,The question was,How is different to allow a factory built Grand Prix chassis,But not a competition based engine,Read it slowly this time .

Because the rules don't allow competition based engines.

[Billy]

This one
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/135717-Customer-service?highlight=customer+service

Well that aint about me so whats your point???

[Billy]

Because the rules don't allow competition based engines.

Exactly,So why should they allow GP based chassis's???

[jasonu]

Well that aint about me so whats your point???

Read post #139
Never said or implied it was you. I don't even know who you are.
I'm out.

[Yow Ling]

Exactly,So why should they allow GP based chassis's???

Its not about what should or should not, its about the actual rules. Why are you so worried about bucket rules, bucket guys are happy with them. If bucket people wanted to race in the uniform world of SS they probably would.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Hey Pete. Sorry Dude, I thought you of all people would think that was just a piss take poking a bit of fun especially following after the self depreciating humour above.
:

All good. Sorry I took it the wrong way.

[F5 Dave]

Ahh I should have thought about it a bit more. Seemed funny at the time. I'll buy you a beer next time.


Anyway back to selling Steve's bike.

[jasonu]

Ahh I should have thought about it a bit more. Seemed funny at the time. I'll buy you a beer next time.



All good. Sorry I took it the wrong way.

POOFTERS!!!
Now I'm really out.

[Crasherfromwayback]

POOFTERS!!!
Now I'm really out.

Snags I could handle!

And by really out...do you mean 'out'?

[husaberg]

The starting proposition is the CRF250 engine, specifically the CRF250X engine with the CRF250R top end on it.
X has the taller gearbox, R has the high power head, but one does need to more engine work as the standard rods etc are not really up to it. As Fatty Gixxer says, Scottys (built by Brent Symes in Napier) bike is a real weapon and goes really well with the 450 engine in it), But when the engine shat itself big time it really made a mess. Scotty has done heaps of work on it.
.

Are you aware that the crf250 and crf450 share gearbox diamensions in common with certain other hondas?so a six speed is posible a cr gearbox is also possible also Nova transmissions do a cr box.

I d be keen on the chassis Pm me with the details I promise I will put it to good use.
I can put my Cr500 engine in it either that or my bucket motor.

[rachprice]

Ahh I should have thought about it a bit more. Seemed funny at the time. I'll buy you a beer next time.


Anyway back to selling Steve's bike.

Besides its 19 years not 25!

Dude it would have been funny, if it was in a different context!
But if you read the whole post, it does sound a dig....

Internet is annoying that way, can't tell tone....

[k14]

Ahh I should have thought about it a bit more. Seemed funny at the time. I'll buy you a beer next time.


Anyway back to selling Steve's bike.
Yeah I sent him a PM to see his price. Got a spare CB125 engine sitting doing nothing so might as well get a frame for it...

[crazy man]

Yeah I sent him a PM to see his price. Got a spare CB125 engine sitting doing nothing so might as well get a frame for it...better a diesel engine that a weed eater motor

[husaberg]

Being someone from the industry he might have been an interesting contributor, but in the end it looks like he knew less than he believed.

Whats going on here if someones quoting me they must be desperate.Cause I don't believe half -well ER......in hindsight possibly,Yeah, Well a third the crap that I say.

It says Also says scooter boy(ss90) raced in Cams. When was that I don't remember ever seeing a Flamming Vespa or Lamberetta. Amos collins Had a puch split single I think.Closest I can remember,

[Henk]

Internet is annoying that way, can't tell tone....

True, but this is dave we're talking about nothing he says should be taken seriously.
That frame sold yet?

[husaberg]

No Einstein,The question was,How is different to allow a factory built Grand Prix chassis,But not a competition based engine,Read it slowly this time .

Crickey guys I just read the whole thread.
I must admit its a frame afterall not worth a punch up.Now while I must admit I would rather GP frames weren't legal.The simple fact is,they are. End of story.
If you can't beat them join them or build something better.The thing is with buckets you can spend as much money or as little on them as you like but it only goes as the rider can ride the darn thing. Talent will still rise to the top as it does in any class.
In all classes in NZ there are diferent levels of money spent F3 is a good example.There are guys that spend big money on late model sv650 and Tigercraft arillias and so forth.

PS I am having a go at a CF frame if anyone can help PM me.

Now F5Dave you are not trying to slip out on the CR500af Supermoto ride in Greymouth are you.ER...Dave.....Dave...Daaaaa,,vvvvvv,eeee

I guessing Billys comming. Pete jones will be there.It could be a good grudge match, we could put you all on CRF50s for the feature.

[jasonu]

Crickey guys I just read the whole thread.
I must admit its a frame afterall not worth a punch up.Now while I must admit I would rather GP frames weren't legal.The simple fact is,they are. End of story.
If you can't beat them join them or build something better.The thing is with buckets you can spend as much money or as little on them as you like but it only goes as the rider can ride the darn thing. Talent will still rise to the top as it does in any class.
In all classes in NZ there are diferent levels of money spent F3 is a good example.There are guys that spend big money on late model sv650 and Tigercraft arillias and so forth.

PS I am having a go at a CF frame if anyone can help PM me.

Now F5Dave you are not trying to slip out on the CR500af Supermoto ride in Greymouth are you.ER...Dave.....Dave...Daaaaa,,vvvvvv,eeee

I guessing Billys comming. Pete jones will be there.It could be a good grudge match, we could put you all on CRF50s forthe feature.

Is that a Cr500AF as in Service Honda???

[husaberg]

Is that a Cr500AF as in Service Honda???

I wish
Its ex japan ex Auckland Its a late model engine(not that it maters though ) in a 98 frame. AF is for Alloy frame, They are the stiffest In fact to stiff for the dirt,with a few trick bits billet yoke etc slicks and wets Brembo special links springs Mikuni carb etc some one in Japan opened the cheque book wide open.Its a tarmac biasies supermoto. Reputibly has a lot of ex ...... and HRC stuff don't they all though.
It has a cut down seat and is lowered for the less mm.. tall amongst us.
I guess no doubt Dave will be able to do a story on it after Greymouth this year.Dave ....Dave....DAAAAVVVVVEEE

[SS90]

Whats going on here if someones quoting me they must be desperate.Cause I don't believe half -well ER......in hindsight possibly,Yeah, Well a third the crap that I say.

It says Also says scooter boy(ss90) raced in Cams. When was that I don't remember ever seeing a Flamming Vespa or Lamberetta. Amos collins Had a puch split single I think.Closest I can remember,

Possibly because you spent too much time in hotel rooms with blindfolds on I guess.

[husaberg]

Possibly because you spent too much time in hotel rooms with blindfolds on I guess.

Now listen here scooterboy, there was No scooters in Cams the whole time I raced! Give someone enough rope and they will hang themselves, you have done it again.
George would roll over in his grave at the thought of it.
It would have been fun to kick your smug arse off the track on one though.

So don't try and bluff your way out of it with infantile rhetoric and innuendo. You are not even half way clever enough. Neil

[SS90]

Now listen here scooterboy, there was No scooters in Cams the whole time I raced! Give someone enough rope and they will hang themselves, you have done it again.
George would roll over in his grave at the thought of it.
It would have been fun to kick your smug arse off the track on one though.

So don't try and bluff your way out of it with infantile rhetoric and innuendo. You are not even half way clever enough. Neil

What the hell is the reference to scooters in Cams?

Thats why I build high performance two stroke engines in Europe is it... let me guess, your a...... Farmer?, no..... a waiter.... no, I got it...... A saleman for Cookie time...

The whole time you raced?

One have a go day does not count.

[husaberg]

What's the matter? Still emotionally scarred from the hotel incident? You where told to keep the blindfold on!

Considering I was racing my scooter in buckets, 125's, 250's, F3, CAMS and BEARS, long before many of these guys where even embryos, my opinion is as valid as anyones.

I loved racing ,but due to a tragic weedeater acident that claimed, What little manhood and I had, and left me incontinent,I had to retire to concentrate all my energies on my emerging talent as a writer on Fantasy fiction story books. I have keept up the scooter tuning and now have the fastest Vespa in my bowls club.I am now moving on to tuning mobility scooters my true calling

But after reading your sad tale of woe that you mistakenly believe somehow relates to success.

I wouldn't be human if I didn't feel a little bit sorry for you. Was that what you were aiming for. Pity?

Please in future stick to true stories scooterboy.Its a lot easier keep your stories straight.

Lastly no one.I repeat. No one questions. Why you don't live here Neil.

It's just a shame that you feel the need to keep in touch.

[F5 Dave]

Now if I'm still allowed to show my face here, if I can go back to this post; Well the bit after I light heartedly rag on Deano, heaven help me if he takes it wrong, but back to my parodied 'attack' on Bears racers.



Ahh go on, you'll never finish it old man. I can see the trade me add already:laugh:

Besides Clubmans at the pointy end these days might be a bit embarrassing:confused:. I hear its not in the spirit of Clubmans anymore. Now lets get onto these Bears wankas. 4 valve engines? Heck when I grew up one valve was enough. And that was on my Powervalve. Which incidentally I want to be allowed to race in Bears. Bloody racist beggers.

Ok what is up with the 9-12yr old Trailbike class? Bloody national championship class? Why - I think we should all have to race trailbikes, with some of these flips Ivan is on about.

Sorry this is where I came in I think:laugh:

OK so who are these Bears guys? Well presumably back in the day they decided they wanted to race their leaky old Triumphs (I'm a triumph owner before anyone flips out) against their mate's lanky old Ducati without getting stouched up by all these GSXs. So they went out on their own & by all accounts are having a bloody good time.
Ok so there were always going to be quibbles about the rules & no one could have anticipated the arrival of 916s, Euro Supermotos & whatever else followed.

So in my parody I present my own clearly ridiculous slant & opinions about what they should do & how I should be able to enter my Yamaha.

So as I'm not currently a Bears racer; - what right do I have to tell them how they should be running their racing? Sod all. Nada.


And that's been the central point of my posts. Hence the ragging on people giving their over a pint opinion of how people race in a class they aren't participating in. I didn't want to rag on Billy too much as I have no idea who he is & clearly he gets a little techy. And clearly I went too far the other direction with someone I knew, but hopefully we're over that a bit.

[Buckets4Me]

better a diesel engine that a weed eater motor


now this is gettting back on track
NO no NOOOOO NO

thats like saying a gn125 is a great bucket :no::laugh:

[Kickaha]

thats like saying a gn125 is a great bucket :no::laugh:

Pre FXR era they were, best handling commuter bike frame available at the time :finger:

[steveyb]

Without Bucket racers pre 95 RS125's would be piled 10 high at the local tip.

They just scrap, nobody outside buckets uses them, not even really collectable, use em up before we run out of oil I say !

Actually, a tidy NF4 (pre-'95) RS125 will get you about AUD$6000 in Oz these days.
The old farts want them for Period Racing.

[husaberg]

Pre FXR era they were, best handling commuter bike frame available at the time :finger:

GN125 best handling Yeah No account for taste though.
Did ya used to keep on the origional handle bars and peanut tank and raked out steering head as well
I say an mb50 or mb100 would out handle it all day let alone a RG50 and don't say they weren't commuters cause certainly they were not race replicas Cb125t were ok to :no:

[Kickaha]

Did ya used to keep on the origional handle bars and peanut tank and raked out steering head as well
Don't be fucking stupid of course I kept the tank
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=196080&d=1265964407


I say an mb50 or mb100 would out handle it all day let alone a RG50 and don't say they weren't commuters cause certainly they were not race replicas Cb125t were ok to :no:
You would be wrong

CB125T have shit frames along with the Honda 4 stroke singles, MB frames aren't to bad

[steveyb]

Righto Tax dodgers.

It is a shame this turned into a bucket vs anti-bucket crusade. I didn't expect the Spanish Inquisition!!
The story is thus:
Moto Academy NZ has lost $100,000 over the past 3.5 years. I have had fun, but no one is really willing/able to pay what it costs to pay someone to run a 125GP bike and team for them. So be it, that's Kiwiland.
I have also been unemployed for 2 years now, without anything like an income for most of that period, so I am fundamentally bankrupt.
My advice, DO NOT GO TO UNIVERSITY. Learn to do something usefull!!! 10 years there hasn't done me much good.

So I have had to sell off the assets of the business one by one.
Sorry Ivan, but this is the '98 bike.
I am trying to sell the complete bike as I want someone to race it in 125's.
But in an effort to actually get some money I thought it might help to offer the rolling chassis. NO, it is not a frame I want to sell, but a complete rolling chassis.

No, I will not give it away. If you want a $150 frame, look somewhere else.

If I can sell the roller, I get to keep the engine etc as it is a nearly 44hp engine. Only really good RS125 engines make more than 44-45 hp.

My preferences, but as mentioned, I do not have that luxury are:
Sell the bike for a good price to someone who wants to race it. It is a bike that could win NZ champs with the right rider.
Sell the bike to someone who just wants to have one for the sake of it or to do track days etc.
Sell the roller to someone who wants to make a Moto3 bike.
Sell the roller to someone who want to make a Schmucket bike.

Bike = $6495
Roller = $3995

I wonder if any of you who had complete NF4 bikes are kicking yourselves now that they are worth so much on the international market?

[husaberg]

Don't be fucking stupid of course I kept the tank
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=196080&d=1265964407


You would be wrong

CB125T have shit frames along with the Honda 4 stroke singles, MB frames aren't to bad

I have rode cb125t yeah they had a little wallow but that was mainly no damping. A a weak swingarm pivot and bendy swingarm.Yhat why I said they were OK .I Never rode one on decent tires admittedly. Yes the singles were a little dicey.

The bits you appear to have kept on the GN Chassis they are frame loop and Tank and........
I imagined A GN125 chassis to be more like this.
Top work. A thorough raiding of the Suzuki parts bin top workmanship. What’s the carb. But why keep the tank and the chrome shock covers it kind of looks a bit out of place if you don't mind me asking.

[Yow Ling]

They look the same to me, except Kick has removed the mirrors

[Buckets4Me]

Righto Tax dodgers.

It is a shame this turned into a bucket vs anti-bucket crusade. I didn't expect the Spanish Inquisition!!
The story is thus:
Moto Academy NZ has lost $100,000 over the past 3.5 years. I have had fun, but no one is really willing/able to pay what it costs to pay someone to run a 125GP bike and team for them. So be it, that's Kiwiland.
I have also been unemployed for 2 years now, without anything like an income for most of that period, so I am fundamentally bankrupt.
My advice, DO NOT GO TO UNIVERSITY. Learn to do something usefull!!! 10 years there hasn't done me much good.

So I have had to sell off the assets of the business one by one.
Sorry Ivan, but this is the '98 bike.
I am trying to sell the complete bike as I want someone to race it in 125's.
But in an effort to actually get some money I thought it might help to offer the rolling chassis. NO, it is not a frame I want to sell, but a complete rolling chassis.

No, I will not give it away. If you want a $150 frame, look somewhere else.

If I can sell the roller, I get to keep the engine etc as it is a nearly 44hp engine. Only really good RS125 engines make more than 44-45 hp.

My preferences, but as mentioned, I do not have that luxury are:
Sell the bike for a good price to someone who wants to race it. It is a bike that could win NZ champs with the right rider.
Sell the bike to someone who just wants to have one for the sake of it or to do track days etc.
Sell the roller to someone who wants to make a Moto3 bike.
Sell the roller to someone who want to make a Schmucket bike.

Bike = $6495
Roller = $3995

I wonder if any of you who had complete NF4 bikes are kicking yourselves now that they are worth so much on the international market?

Schmucket bike ?

3 going rs's and a 4th being built for team E.S.E
and a pic of rick at taupo on another rs
5th bike is rick at taupo giving battle to a very fast FXR

pitty people seam to put them down so much they are realy nice bikes to ride and race

[Yow Ling]

Isnt it better that they are raced as F4 bikes in NZ than go to Australia for 13 pieces of silver.

Mine came as a frame so my conscience is clear. 4k is stretching it for a bucket roller you would be competing with a CBR150 for that money and most people would take the easy road and go with the 150. Building an RS bucket isnt as easy as it looks

[husaberg]

They look the same to me, except Kick has removed the mirrors

It is that what i was I couldn't quite put my finger on the difference. ha.ha
How are you getting on with your bike? I finally found another style of piston it got the wobbly tick of approval. It could help with your deck height issue.PM If you want the details.

[Kickaha]

The bits you appear to have kept on the GN Chassis they are frame loop and Tank and........
I imagined A GN125 chassis to be more like this.
Top work. A thorough raiding of the Suzuki parts bin top workmanship. What’s the carb. But why keep the tank and the chrome shock covers it kind of looks a bit out of place if you don't mind me asking.

It originally raced with stock forks, swingarm etc (pre FXR era)
and won the 2001 championship with Glen Hayward riding it and was still a better handling bike than most

Carb is a 28mm flatslide off a DR250 but it has mostly run a GN250 carb

Tank and shocks stayed because "they were there"
2008 BOB was the last time it raced and ran 7th, the owner is to lazy and disorganised to sort a few problems out and get it back out

[steveyb]

Isnt it better that they are raced as F4 bikes in NZ than go to Australia for 13 pieces of silver.

Mine came as a frame so my conscience is clear. 4k is stretching it for a bucket roller you would be competing with a CBR150 for that money and most people would take the easy road and go with the 150. Building an RS bucket isnt as easy as it looks

That entirely depends on your point of view. I say no, given that the CBR 150 and FXR150 are apparently so great for buckets, as said in this thread. Rather know that GP bikes are being raced as GP bikes.

I am not competing with anyone, CBR or otherwise. You won't be buying it then, will you.

Sorry I ever made mention on here now actually.

[steveyb]

Schmucket bike ?

3 going rs's and a 4th being built for team E.S.E
and a pic of rick at taupo on another rs

pitty people seam to put them down so much they are realy nice bikes to ride and race

Fuck me, you lot are all so precious. Not a single funny bone or willingness to play along anywhere. Is it defensiveness? Probably not, but do lighten up.
I am sorry that G.O. decided to sell his bike to be sliced and diced, but such is life.
You won't be buying this one either then.

[jasonu]

won the 2001 championship with Glen Hayward riding it and was still a better handling bike than most



Which championship was that?

[Crasherfromwayback]

And that's been the central point of my posts. Hence the ragging on people giving their over a pint opinion of how people race in a class they aren't participating in. I didn't want to rag on Billy too much as I have no idea who he is & clearly he gets a little techy. And clearly I went too far the other direction with someone I knew, but hopefully we're over that a bit.

I (obviously)reckon you don't have to be participating to have an opinion on things.

You don't own a Maserati (do ya?), but it shouldn't mean you can't say you think it's an ugly pile of shit.

[Ivan]

I can vouch that as a complete bike this si the fastest RS125 I have ridden,

[Ivan]

Fuck me, you lot are all so precious. Not a single funny bone or willingness to play along anywhere. Is it defensiveness? Probably not, but do lighten up.
I am sorry that G.O. decided to sell his bike to be sliced and diced, but such is life.
You won't be buying this one either then.

Have to agree with ya steve I have no problems with buckets, these guys are way to defensive

[Buckets4Me]

Fuck me,


I am sorry that G.O. decided to sell his bike to be sliced and diced, but such is life.
You won't be buying this one either then.


I had made the coments to bump you post and show what has been done with some other rs frames (gives people idears about what they could do)
But i guess I'm just a bucketear and therefor lower than the real races

no I wont be buying it but would love someone to get there hand on it and do something good with it
weather that is chop it up or race it as is I dont care
I just hope that it is used one way or another :shit:
and not turned into scrap (witch is what was going to happen to one of the pre95 rs frames I got my hands on):shit:

[Kickaha]

Which championship was that?

The best one :bleh:
6 round winter series at Ruapuna basically the de facto South Island Champs


That entirely depends on your point of view. I say no, given that the CBR 150 and FXR150 are apparently so great for buckets, as said in this thread. Rather know that GP bikes are being raced as GP bikes.


Buckets have a GP so that makes them GP bikes right? therefore it will be raced as a GP bike:laugh:

[k14]

I can vouch that as a complete bike this si the fastest RS125 I have ridden,
Well that seals it... I'm buying it :laugh:

[Buckets4Me]

Well that seals it... I'm buying it :laugh:


SOLD now are you choping it or not ?

[T.W.R]

Why not build something like a Tigcraft RO.5 Minimono replica from it ??

[husaberg]

It originally raced with stock forks, swingarm etc (pre FXR era)
and won the 2001 championship with Glen Hayward riding it and was still a better handling bike than most

Carb is a 28mm flatslide off a DR250 but it has mostly run a GN250 carb

Tank and shocks stayed because "they were there"
2008 BOB was the last time it raced and ran 7th, the owner is to lazy and disorganised to sort a few problems out and get it back out

Seeing you like suzukis and I hate peanut tanks on race bikes, What about an X7 tank
Also the wheels what are they I guessing the brakes and forks possibly swingarmare maybe gsr400r the first one? with the alloy frame?
The tank should be worth a couple of seconds per lap at least.:shifty:

These GN250 carbs must be Awefully flash isn't that what most of the fxrs run Why?

[steveyb]

Well that seals it... I'm buying it :laugh:

Hahahaha, that sounds like a dangerous decision.
It can be very addictive you know.
Are you qualified enough to ride this horsepower machine???
No slicing and dicing allowed!!!
But I think it is a bit out of your league don't you think???:shifty:

[quallman1234]

Well that seals it... I'm buying it :laugh:

Back to being bestest buddies i see!

[F5 Dave]

Yeah. not if he 'chops' it tho. I'm thinking 6" extended forks, pull back 4 pointer bars (think I have that right), skull emblem sissy bar on the back with a bitch pad & of course highway pegs, for when you're going really fast.:Punk:

[Ivan]

Fuck me I said earlier I dont think Im the fastest rider I know that I was trying to say out of all the RS125's I have ridden it is the fastest one I have rode no were did I say anything about going for wins on it, No you didnt say that either Kirk but the way you put it across was meaning that,

I would love for you to say something to my face so I could smash you in the face,

[imdying]

How much for the roller?

[codgyoleracer]

Yeah. not if he 'chops' it tho. I'm thinking 6" extended forks, pull back 4 pointer bars (think I have that right), skull emblem sissy bar on the back with a bitch pad & of course highway pegs, for when you're going really fast.:Punk:

Just to top off the package, My wife is excellent at stiching on some leather tassles. And if you dare turn up in a closed face helmet you'll be sent home.

[Str8 Jacket]

Fuck me I said earlier I dont think Im the fastest rider I know that I was trying to say out of all the RS125's I have ridden it is the fastest one I have rode no were did I say anything about going for wins on it, No you didnt say that either Kirk but the way you put it across was meaning that,

I would love for you to say something to my face so I could smash you in the face,

It's not your fault that you're a ginga mate. Have a beer and put the hand bag away.

[Shaun]

It's not your fault that you're a ginga mate. Have a beer and put the hand bag away.


He should move to Japan man, the chicks love the Ginga pubes:shifty:

[F5 Dave]

Just to top off the package, My wife is excellent at stiching on some leather tassles. And if you dare turn up in a closed face helmet you'll be sent home.
LOL!:laugh: Better start working on the beard & beer belly.

[White trash]

Fuck me I said earlier I dont think Im the fastest rider I know that I was trying to say out of all the RS125's I have ridden it is the fastest one I have rode no were did I say anything about going for wins on it, No you didnt say that either Kirk but the way you put it across was meaning that,

I would love for you to say something to my face so I could smash you in the face,

tag: this threads getting better!!!!!

[Dodgy]

I can vouch that as a complete bike this si the fastest RS125 I have ridden,

Haha, thats like saying 'of all the cousins that I have, she is the best I have ridden!'

[F5 Dave]

How was I related to you again?:confused:

[Kickaha]

I would love for you to say something to my face so I could smash you in the face,

Grumpy little Ginga, you related to Shaun?

[husaberg]

Have to agree with ya steve I have no problems with buckets, these guys are way to defensive



Originally Posted by Ivan View Post
Fuck me I said earlier I dont think Im the fastest rider I know that I was trying to say out of all the RS125's I have ridden it is the fastest one I have rode no were did I say anything about going for wins on it, No you didnt say that either Kirk but the way you put it across was meaning that,

I would love for you to say something to my face so I could smash you in the face,


what is going on here. I guess attack is the best form of defence
Isn't this taking what is shit talk a little to far guys.

Oh well stuff it! For what its worth, my moneys on the ugly one with the chip on his shoulder.Don't act like you don't know who I mean.:girlfight:

[Ivan]

He should move to Japan man, the chicks love the Ginga pubes:shifty:

haha might do that Shaun, Japan looks like a cool place to be honest

And to husaberg myne wasnt defensive it was pissed off for years of ongoing abuse by certain members on this site who are key board heroes,

[steveyb]

Japan really is a cool place to live for a while. Just not in Tokyo. It is a full on city, but the 'real' Japan (for want of a better word) is to be found outside Tokyo.
Plenty of Moto 3 racing to be seen too...........

Just trying to change the subject......

[husaberg]

Just trying to change the subject......


Is the motor in the rs blown if so what the price for the bike as is?

[steveyb]

No.
As mentioned earlier, this is a complete and very fast bike ($6495).
I just need to get some money in the door, so trying whatever way it will sell.
If the roller sells ($3995) I can keep the excellent engine and running gear as a back up for my main bike.

[Shaun]

Oh well stuff it! For what its worth, my moneys on the ugly one with the chip on his shoulder.Don't act like you don't know who I mean.[/B]:girlfight:




Bar-steward, I never said a thing:laugh:

[Crasherfromwayback]

No.
As mentioned earlier, this is a complete and very fast bike ($6495).
.

I reckon that's pretty fair!

[Ivan]

Bar-steward, I never said a thing:laugh:

Haha sorry Shaun both being gingers they blamed you for my outburst hahaha we must look the same or something?

[Dodgy]

OMG, you two must be like cousins or something :shit:

[husaberg]

The starting proposition is the CRF250 engine, specifically the CRF250X engine with the CRF250R top end on it.
X has the taller gearbox, R has the high power head, but one does need to more engine work as the standard rods etc are not really up to it. As Fatty Gixxer says, Scottys (built by Brent Symes in Napier) bike is a real weapon and goes really well with the 450 engine in it), But when the engine shat itself big time it really made a mess.

Oh I guess this is refering to another bike in hindsight

[gav]

Hilarious thread, excellent !!
:laugh:

[Shaun]

Haha sorry Shaun both being gingers they blamed you for my outburst hahaha we must look the same or something?



fuk off ya little wanker, I have years of UGLY looks on you and they are all paid for

[Ivan]

fuk off ya little wanker, I have years of UGLY looks on you and they are all paid for

Haha Im getting there few more knocks to the face on the handle bars might speed the process up for me, or get back to boxing again,

[Deano]

Haha Im getting there few more knocks to the face on the handle bars might speed the process up for me, or get back to boxing again,

I hope you're faster with your hands than.........:shit:

Just kidding bro !!

[Shaun]

I hope you're faster with your hands than.........:shit:

Just kidding bro !!



hahaha OOOOOPS, u asked for that one Ivan:Punk:

[Ivan]

its ok, I can finish on the podium in natural terrain racing and flat tracks so think I found were I can do well will give the road a go again in future have my goal I still want to do overseas

[Shorty_925]

what they'll all sound like:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ur1wOodfwq8

[Shaun]

Anyone purchased this yet?

[RDjase]

what they'll all sound like:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ur1wOodfwq8

Are they running a new top secret FXR250 engine?

[DaveyJones]

Is this still for sale???

[steveyb]

Yes it is still for sale.

[codgyoleracer]

246730
l dont think 24hp 250cc mx engines would cut it some how

Do you think this one will be able to compete Ok ?

[goose8]

246730

Do you think this one will be able to compete Ok ?

Cool looking bike what is it?

[Yow Ling]

Is that the one Ivan was building. Looks good !

[Ivan]

Is that the one Ivan was building. Looks good !

haha I wish, this is what our frame is based off tho to a point and also used all the measurements of my rs125 mynes being built in the times we work on it with the kids with there pocket bikes as they are looking at running bigger bikes for the older students at the mini moto gp.

[crazy man]

246730

Do you think this one will be able to compete Ok ?a 550 v twin should but this one is better a v4 http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/19/185335119_full.jpg

[codgyoleracer]

a 550 v twin should but this one is better a v4 http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/19/185335119_full.jpg

Is that the one made out of plumbing pipe & a 20 year old engine ?

[codgyoleracer]

Cool looking bike what is it?

Its a tigcraft / aprilia 550 that lives in the states

[Crasherfromwayback]

Its a tigcraft / aprilia 550 that lives in the states

Bet it goes good Mr!

[gatch]

a 550 v twin should but this one is better a v4 http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/19/185335119_full.jpg

Give it to me.

The precious..

[steveyb]

By the way, after you lot have finished making messes everywhere, the RS125 has been sold to a keen young racer who is gonna race it!

Yay!!!

[gatch]

By the way, after you lot have finished making messes everywhere, the RS125 has been sold to a keen young racer who is gonna race it!

Yay!!!

Like fuck he is hahahaha.

It's going to sit in his shed next to the other one. My partially finished bucket (also in his shed) has seen more action.

Cool though, he will look after it, that much is certain.

[crazy man]

Is that the one made out of plumbing pipe & a 20 year old engine ?plumbing pipe that would be heavy! like a tiggy! at leased it goes under the real old f3 rules

[F5 Dave]

Glad to hear Steve.


Now lets put this thread to bed.

[crazy man]

Give it to me.

The precious..you better come out to the racing 0n the 24

[Ivan]

whats the link to that auction

[gatch]

you better come out to the racing 0n the 24

Can't :( It's my sisters wedding that weekend, well maybe I can be there for half a day. Should be there friday though, going to give a mate a hand with his 125s if he wants it.

[Ivan]

a 550 v twin should but this one is better a v4 http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/19/185335119_full.jpg

is this a auction still I cant find it

[crazy man]

is this a auction still I cant find itits mine and my bro's bike l built it for him to ride. l just used trademe's photo server.

[Ivan]

thats sick as what motor you running?