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Hitcher
7th August 2011, 16:58
One of the issues associated with riding motorcycles is that tyres wear out.

I've consumed a few sets of tyres over the years. Some are fondly remembered, others not so fondly.

I've had my Technically-Not-A-Bandit since January. It had done 1,154km courtesy of its New Plymouth dealer allowing prospective purchasers to ride it. So I am responsible for about 9,600km on the TNAB and its OEM Bridgestone Battlax 021s. Slow progress by my usual standards I know. I blame a series of wet weekends in the first half of this year.

As you can see from the attached images, the front right is starting to cup, indeed quite badly, with only vestiges of tread apparent in places on that side. Indeed it needs replacing. The photo is actually flattering. The front is way worse than the image shows.244178244179

The rear, while showing signs of wear, I estimate would probably have another 1,500km in it, if its mate on the front hadn't thrown in the towel.

So that ends another OEM relationship with Mr Bridgestone's extremely average sports touring tyres. While the 021s are an improvement on the egregious 020s they "superseded", they're still way off the pace that I've come to expect from tyres in this class.

"But you're being harsh, Hitcher. Lost of tyres demonstrate front cupping," I hear the Bridgestone fanboys shrieking.

The good sports touring tyres don't.

Only once before have I worn out a front before a rear. That was a set of Michelin Pilot Road 2s on an FJR1300. On that occasion both sides of the front tyre cupped massively. The rear however acquitted itself nicely, but not enough to persuade me to buy another set of PR2s.

The OEM 020s that came with the FJR also demonstrated front right cupping but on that occasion the rear wore out first.

So I'm now in the market for a set of tyres. My leading contender will be the Dunlop Roadsmart. I've had a set of these once before and loved them. That was on my FJR1300 in Flagstaff Arizona. The tyres were still on the FJR when I sold it. They had seen most conditions from cold and wet through very hot and dry; coarse chip seal and concrete.

Prior to the Roadsmart, Mr Dunlop didn't really have any sort of contender in the sports touring tyre class. He certainly does now. The fact that Roadsmart fronts are single compound means they shouldn't cup as spectacularly as the bifurcated versions other manufacturers make. Time will tell.

Now I just need to find me some at a sharp price. Shame that the 021s couldn't have held on until the 12,000km service. Them's the breaks I guess.

kiwifruit
7th August 2011, 18:16
Tag: Extra dipping sauce

NinjaNanna
8th August 2011, 09:11
hmmm, I guess we'll have to take your word for it that they are worse than what the pictures show.

What does the wear say about the fine tuning of your suspension?

White trash
8th August 2011, 09:21
tag: thanksgiving at hitchers

yachtie10
8th August 2011, 09:33
Interesting
My Bandit came with dunlop qualifiers and were gone at 3000km
Always the rear goes well before the fronts
I have just done a set of BT023 (rear a GT) and only got 7000km from it
now have my first set of PR2 which will be interesting to see how they go

Cycletreads reccomended the roadsmarts but the price was too high so would be interested to see how you go.

tyres ive tried as well are full bores, conti motions, pilot roads
The pilot roads were the only tyre that got me to 10,000 km

Owl
8th August 2011, 17:33
So are these OEM 021's the same as the retail version?

Just curious, as there was something like 3 different versions of the 016.

MSTRS
8th August 2011, 17:59
All this angst about fronts cupping...
Do you fellas what 'ave this apparent problem use your front brake whist canted over in a corner?
Cos I don't and got over 17,000kms from PR2s. Admittedly the front was showing some triangulation.

AllanB
8th August 2011, 18:30
Admittedly the front was showing some triangulation.

My PR2's have 13,000 on them - back is a small burnout away from the wear indicator and the front is as you describe above - soft rubber worn more than the centre. Consequently they will be replaced as a pair.


Tried the Road Attack 2 Hitcher? By all accounts very good but more biased to the sport side of sport/touring.

Stylo
8th August 2011, 19:36
One of the issues associated with riding motorcycles is that tyres wear out.

I've consumed a few sets of tyres over the years. Some are fondly remembered, others not so fondly.

I've had my Technically-Not-A-Bandit since January. It had done 1,154km courtesy of its New Plymouth dealer allowing prospective purchasers to ride it. So I am responsible for about 9,600km on the TNAB and its OEM Bridgestone Battlax 021s. Slow progress by my usual standards I know. I blame a series of wet weekends in the first half of this year.

As you can see from the attached images, the front right is starting to cup, indeed quite badly, with only vestiges of tread apparent in places on that side. Indeed it needs replacing. The photo is actually flattering. The front is way worse than the image shows.244178244179

The rear, while showing signs of wear, I estimate would probably have another 1,500km in it, if its mate on the front hadn't thrown in the towel.

So that ends another OEM relationship with Mr Bridgestone's extremely average sports touring tyres. While the 021s are an improvement on the egregious 020s they "superseded", they're still way off the pace that I've come to expect from tyres in this class.

"But you're being harsh, Hitcher. Lost of tyres demonstrate front cupping," I hear the Bridgestone fanboys shrieking.

The good sports touring tyres don't.

Only once before have I worn out a front before a rear. That was a set of Michelin Pilot Road 2s on an FJR1300. On that occasion both sides of the front tyre cupped massively. The rear however acquitted itself nicely, but not enough to persuade me to buy another set of PR2s.

The OEM 020s that came with the FJR also demonstrated front right cupping but on that occasion the rear wore out first.

So I'm now in the market for a set of tyres. My leading contender will be the Dunlop Roadsmart. I've had a set of these once before and loved them. That was on my FJR1300 in Flagstaff Arizona. The tyres were still on the FJR when I sold it. They had seen most conditions from cold and wet through very hot and dry; coarse chip seal and concrete.

Prior to the Roadsmart, Mr Dunlop didn't really have any sort of contender in the sports touring tyre class. He certainly does now. The fact that Roadsmart fronts are single compound means they shouldn't cup as spectacularly as the bifurcated versions other manufacturers make. Time will tell.

Now I just need to find me some at a sharp price. Shame that the 021s couldn't have held on until the 12,000km service. Them's the breaks I guess.

Have a set of Battlax OEM BT015's on the virgin Bike that I married a few weeks ago, when they've been well consumated ( 5k's max) , I'll be looking at a set of Z8 Metzelers ( or similar ) , .....If I wanted to save money I would'nt be riding Bikes ...mileage be damned ..

Hitcher
8th August 2011, 19:43
I don't think that I do silly things under braking. Most of the time I scrub speed pre-apex and then wind on on the exit. A Conti Road Attack rear on my ST1300 didn't care much at all for that sort of behaviour.

I'm also fastidious about tyre pressures. These are checked prior to every departure from home. The TNAB has been run at 36 front and 40 rear ever since I've had it. It holds its pressures very well.

So what does this wear pattern say about the fine tuning of my front suspension? Fucked if I know. It's an almost new Suzuki. Do the maths.

I don't know whether the OEM 021s are the same as those sold off the rack. Like the TNAB, they're made in Japan. That's the extent of my knowledge on that subject.

Conti Road Attack 2s are a very nice tyre. I was running a set of those on my Shiver immediately prior to 6:45pm Saturday 16 October 2010. They are still on that same Shiver, wherever it is now.

Since yesterday I've also been talking to people, including Suzuki owners, as well as studying things via the Internet. Now I'm not so sure about the Roadsmarts as my first choice. One thing's for sure, I won't be talked into Bridgestones, including the 023s.