Fucking looters and yobbos and rent-a-mob in London

[PrincessBandit]

Who else is horrified at the bandwagon anarchistic arseholes who are taking pleasure in creating the violence and destruction in London. And it has spread.
Bring in the army and use 'em as friggin target practice.

The reporter used the term "recreational rioters" - send in the recreational army.

Gotta stop watching the news as the whole thing is just too aaaaaarrrrrrgggggghhhhh to listen to and watch. Terrified residents, buildings and homes destroyed.

[Pussy]

Who else is horrified at the bandwagon anarchistic arseholes who are taking pleasure in creating the violence and destruction in London. And it has spread.
Bring in the army and use 'em as friggin target practice.

The reporter used the term "recreational rioters" - send in the recreational army.

Gotta stop watching the news as the whole thing is just too aaaaaarrrrrrgggggghhhhh to listen to and watch. Terrified residents, buildings and homes destroyed.

Valuable piece of advice, Dawny.... get Balu to make you a foam rubber brick.
One of the engineers at Super Air made me one.. I used it for throwing at the tv whenever Helen Clark's ugly face appeared on telly. Result!

[Pussy]

And yes.... they are just shitheads.

[Edbear]

I didn't expect it to start in England, but am not too surprised. I do believe it may spread soon to other countries. The financial meltdown of not only the US but also the EU is a breeding ground for civil unrest and anarchy has been simmering away for a while now under the veneer of normality.

Even here, the younger set, i.e. teenagers, have been growing up without any respect for adults, authority or human life. This is world-wide so watch for developments elswhere.

The markets are in panic and just now Obama was on the news talking the US up and slighting the downgrade in an attempt to shore up the USD. Unfortunately he comes across as desperate for something good to happen and has only fueled the feelings of concern.

Watch this space...

[PrincessBandit]

I didn't expect it to start in England, but am not too surprised. I do believe it may spread soon to other countries. ...............

Even here, the younger set, i.e. teenagers, have been growing up without any respect for adults, authority or human life. This is world-wide so watch for developments elswhere.....

Watch this space...

I very sadly agree with you Mr. Bear.
(Apparently I need to, like Mom, spread myself around more before sending more green your way)

[SPman]

London is rioting for a third night. Riots which initially began as a reaction and condemnation of a police shooting have become something more widespread. So, what to make of it?
This is what government is supposed to prevent. When large numbers of people think they will be better off in some sense by using violence, then society has failed. When people think they have nothing to lose by throwing bricks and Molotovs, that their lives will be improved by burning things down, then society has failed.
Second, those calling for a clampdown are fools. Yes, I expect "law and order" to be restored, those who have committed crimes to be prosecuted. But unless the underlying social failure is addressed, this will just happen again. And if the British upper classes think the solution is just a bigger boot to keep the excluded masses under control, then like the rulers of Tsarist Russia and ancien regime France, they deserve everything they get.Kick a dog when he's down and eventually he will bite back. Sad that it started in London, but, then, the London Police are not exactly sensitive in their dealings with the public....

Even here, the younger set, i.e. teenagers, have been growing up without any respect for adults, authority or human life. This is world-wide so watch for developments elswhere I guess, for them to have any respect for "their Elders", there has to be just cause - and I don't see much of that about, world wide, atm, do you?

[Paul in NZ]

No jobs and never been part of the economy, bought up by the playstation and fueled with cheap booze....

Fuck.... I was really hoping I'd be dead before it happened.....

[Winston001]

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[jonbuoy]

Nothing new, happened before will happen again its not the end of the world.

[Blackshear]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeP220xx7Bs

Don't be told what you want.
Don't be told what you need.

I am the granny state, hear me roar.

EDIT: I see winston slightly bet me to it.

[Usarka]

but, then, the London Police are not exactly sensitive in their dealings with the public....

I've always had a different view. Eg they turned up at my bday party at 2pm on Sunday (it started 6pm the night before) and said "guys, we know what goes on in here, we've let you have a good party, how about you call it a day, we leave and everyones happy".

Respect gov'nor.

Having said that, if you're marked they'll get you even if the evidence doesn't necessarily stack up.

[blue rider]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqcizZebcaU&feature=player_embedded

deja vue......oh the good old eighties, much fun they were

and just because

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tR3XY6wfSBw&feature=related

:corn:

[98tls]

Nothing new, happened before will happen again its not the end of the world.

About it.Not to much point getting all excited about it,we reap what we sow and once again all those that live with there heads in the sand are seeing the results of doing so.Will anything change?No,will it get worse?Without doubt,when all the do-gooders finally wake up it will be without doubt far to late.Cheers.

[onearmedbandit]

No fucking excuse. I don't care how fucking bad the 'economy' is or how hard it is to get a job. Line them up and water cannon the lot of them into the Thames. Stealing private property and trashing private buildings, stupid ignorant fuckers are using anything as an excuse to 'just cause some shit'.

Fuck the apologists.

[Edbear]

No fucking excuse. I don't care how fucking bad the 'economy' is or how hard it is to get a job. Line them up and water cannon the lot of them into the Thames. Stealing private property and trashing private buildings, stupid ignorant fuckers are using anything as an excuse to 'just cause some shit'.

Fuck the apologists.

The difference now is that they are no longer "using and excuse", they are simply rioting for no more reason than they are inclined to.

As I said above, they have grown up with no discipline, no respect and no guidance and have no feeling or concern for anybody. You see it here in this country and it is getting worse. Those who claim it's all normal and everything is going to be okay need to get their heads out of the sand and take a look around the world.

The world of now, is a world of "first's, worst's and never before's."

[jazfender]

Even here, the younger set, i.e. teenagers, have been growing up without any respect for adults, authority or human life. This is world-wide so watch for developments elswhere.

Alarmist bollocks. Besides, where is the respect supposed to come from when the "adults" had their fun growing up and are using the kids' generation to pay for it?

And who is supposed to be teaching the youf respect?

And who are on HOLIDAY in Tuscany when the countries are suffering sever economic hardship?

Clue: "adults".

[SPman]

No jobs and never been part of the economy, bought up by the playstation and fueled with cheap booze....

Fuck.... I was really hoping I'd be dead before it happened.....
I'm sure it can be arranged...........:shutup:

[onearmedbandit]

Scum breeds scum.

[Edbear]

Alarmist bollocks. Besides, where is the respect supposed to come from when the "adults" had their fun growing up and are using the kids' generation to pay for it?

And who is supposed to be teaching the youf respect?

And who are on HOLIDAY in Tuscany when the countries are suffering sever economic hardship?

Clue: adults.

It's not bollocks, it's fact, pure and simple and yes, the adults are to "blame", or more specifically, each generation has deteriorated with less respect, less responsibility, less parental guidance, breeding successive generations of more selfish, lazier youngsters without any sense of personal responsibility.

My wife works in Early Childhood Education and we are appalled at the sheer lack of parental nouse, an dparents who haven't a clue what to do with their kids! Indulgence is their way of life and discipline is a dirty word.

The problem is summed up in this situation. A young driver wrote of his WRX being stupid and irresponsible, a car bought for him by his parents. After the courts had slapped him on the wrist with a wet bus ticket, his parents just bought him another one!

When you see the way parents ignore, neglect and abuse their children and set the worst kind of example for them, what do you expect?

Mind you, the youth do know what is right and wrong, they just don't care.

[jazfender]

It's not bollocks, it's fact, pure and simple and yes, the adults are to "blame", or more specifically, each generation has deteriorated with less respect, less responsibility, less parental guidance, breeding successive generations of more selfish, lazier youngsters without any sense of personal responsibility.

What's bollocks is the media and your presupposition that this is all the darned youf's fault.

The BBC said the other day that about 100 of those arrested were 21 or younger with a special highlight on the fact that an 11 year old had been taken into custody.

100 out of 336 (last reading). What about the majority?

Youth might provide the energy but people in general are not happy. Time for people to step down off their fucking pedestals.

[98tls]

It's not bollocks, it's fact, pure and simple and yes, the adults are to "blame", or more specifically, each generation has deteriorated with less respect, less responsibility, less parental guidance, breeding successive generations of more selfish, lazier youngsters without any sense of personal responsibility.

My wife works in Early Childhood Education and we are appalled at the sheer lack of parental nouse, an dparents who haven't a clue what to do with their kids! Indulgence is their way of life and discipline is a dirty word.

The problem is summed up in this situation. A young driver wrote of his WRX being stupid and irresponsible, a car bought for him by his parents. After the courts had slapped him on the wrist with a wet bus ticket, his parents just bought him another one!

When you see the way parents ignore, neglect and abuse their children and set the worst kind of example for them, what do you expect?

Mind you, the youth do know what is right and wrong, they just don't care.

Who needs parents when pretending to do your homework upstairs you can get your head filled with all sorts of causes and bullshit.The current crop of muslim terrorist teenagers live in comfortable British homes with responsible British parents,not ignored,abused or neglected.

[98tls]

What's bollocks is the media and your presupposition that this is all the darned youf's fault.

The BBC said the other day :facepalm:Fail.

[Indiana_Jones]

Who else is horrified at the bandwagon anarchistic arseholes who are taking pleasure in creating the violence and destruction in London. And it has spread.
Bring in the army and use 'em as friggin target practice.

The reporter used the term "recreational rioters" - send in the recreational army.

Gotta stop watching the news as the whole thing is just too aaaaaarrrrrrgggggghhhhh to listen to and watch. Terrified residents, buildings and homes destroyed.

Welcome to England bro.

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-Indy

[jazfender]

:facepalm:Fail.

Maybe you should re-read.

[98tls]

Maybe you should re-read.

Open minded,enlighten me.

[scott411]

well, living in London at the moment and the riots are starting to get a little bit close, i have just got a job that starts next week in Croyden and was looking at Clapham Junction for flats, these are areas where fires and looting were last night,

not sure how this will play out, there seems to be a middle class backlash against the rioters starting with clean up groups starting this morning,

[Indiana_Jones]

And people wonder we us poms leave the country in the first place :facepalm:

-Indy

[scracha]

Who else is horrified at the bandwagon anarchistic arseholes who are taking pleasure in creating the violence and destruction in London. And it has spread.
Bring in the army and use 'em as friggin target practice.


Not me. The biggest looters and robbers in the UK are the guys running the show. Peaceful protests just get ignored....if they didn't then the UK wouldn't have went to Iraq..

[Robert Taylor]

Kick a dog when he's down and eventually he will bite back. Sad that it started in London, but, then, the London Police are not exactly sensitive in their dealings with the public....
I guess, for them to have any respect for "their Elders", there has to be just cause - and I don't see much of that about, world wide, atm, do you?

Is not EVERYONE collectively to blame for blindly living for so long beyond their means and voting for the easy option? Ok thats maybe a little oversimplistic as there are many complex factors including a very dodgy banking and corporate sector. Then there were the downright political plonkers like Gordon Brown. But the chickens sure are coming home to roost.

[Winston001]

....said it:

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[Indiana_Jones]

It's not bollocks, it's fact, pure and simple and yes, the adults are to "blame", or more specifically, each generation has deteriorated with less respect, less responsibility, less parental guidance, breeding successive generations of more selfish, lazier youngsters without any sense of personal responsibility.

My wife works in Early Childhood Education and we are appalled at the sheer lack of parental nouse, an dparents who haven't a clue what to do with their kids! Indulgence is their way of life and discipline is a dirty word.

The problem is summed up in this situation. A young driver wrote of his WRX being stupid and irresponsible, a car bought for him by his parents. After the courts had slapped him on the wrist with a wet bus ticket, his parents just bought him another one!

When you see the way parents ignore, neglect and abuse their children and set the worst kind of example for them, what do you expect?

Mind you, the youth do know what is right and wrong, they just don't care.

+1

If I had done that my old man would have said tough shit and kicked me out of the house.

Little cunts today think doing a day of work entitles them to a flat screen TV and some Jap crap car........:facepalm:

-Indy

[98tls]

And people wonder we us poms leave the country in the first place :facepalm:

-Indy

Because no doubt you succumbed to the "grass is greener' thing,nice but dont hold your breath the same shits not far away here.Wonder why.:blink:

[Robert Taylor]

Not me. The biggest looters and robbers in the UK are the guys running the show. Peaceful protests just get ignored....if they didn't then the UK wouldn't have went to Iraq..

I think though that David Cameron is doing a far better job in very difficult and inherited circumstances than the idiot who preceded him.

[Indiana_Jones]

Because no doubt you succumbed to the "grass is greener' thing,nice but dont hold your breath the same shits not far away here.Wonder why.:blink:

Couldn't agree more. This country has it's problems like the rest.

UK is full of Paki and Polish cunts, NZ is full of Slope heads.

Unemployment is high in the UK, high here.

Better chance of getting a job here in Auckland then in a town of 18,000 though lol

Not much one can do really.

[jazfender]

Open minded,enlighten me.

Well by the quote I presumed you were implying that hating on the media while reading it is hypocritical, but I don't see how that invalidates what I said.

[racefactory]

This somehow doesn't really surprise me. From all my memories of England- the fucking yobs are one of the most clear.

[Edbear]

Who needs parents when pretending to do your homework upstairs you can get your head filled with all sorts of causes and bullshit.The current crop of muslim terrorist teenagers live in comfortable British homes with responsible British parents,not ignored,abused or neglected.

That's an interesting situation to look into. Obviously different from what is happening here, but why such turn to Moslem extremism is something I might do a bit of research on.

[jazfender]

Obviously the spread of it is not related, but here's some perspective on the trigger.

http://www.workerspower.co.uk/?p=1618

[98tls]

Well by the quote I presumed you were implying that hating on the media while reading it is hypocritical, but I don't see how that invalidates what I said.
Never presume its the internet,what and whom do you believe are at the center of all this supposed unsatisfaction over there?

[jazfender]

Never presume its the internet,what and whom do you believe are at the center of all this supposed unsatisfaction over there?

Oh is it? I thought I was in Notepad.

At the centre I would say are the austerity measures imposed by unpopular politicians cleaning up after even more unpopular bankers.

Seasoned with a bit of good old fashioned police brutality and issues with multiculturalism.

[Indiana_Jones]

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London's burning!

-Indy

[MD]

Can we send them Minto to show them how a professional protester makes a dick of himself.

[Robert Taylor]

This somehow doesn't really surprise me From all my memories of England- the fucking yobs are one of the most clear. Terrible scumbag youth culture over there.

You've partly hit the nail on the head there and I remember that too from my time in the UK. Thay have some serious scumbags over there, soccer hooligans being one prime example.

[98tls]

That's an interesting situation to look into. Obviously different from what is happening here, but why such turn to Muslim extremism is something I might do a bit of research on.

I only used Muslims as an example,that aside a valid one.Muslims lived quite happily in English society until around the time a book was published questioning there beliefs:shit:suddenly all hell broke loose.For that reaction there was obviously an adverse one and so on.The internet has made it so easy for those with extremist beliefs to excite the young and...well excitable,put them all in the same pot and bingo.

[98tls]

Oh is it? I thought I was in Notepad.

At the centre I would say are the austerity measures imposed by unpopular politicians cleaning up after even more unpopular bankers.

Seasoned with a bit of good old fashioned police brutality and issues with multiculturalism.

Issues with multiculturalism:shit:surely not.I see you mentioned police brutality first,no doubt ist on your list of police offenders would be those that are white with a family history traceable back to Waterloo.

[jazfender]

Issues with multiculturalism:shit:surely not.I see you mentioned police brutality first,no doubt ist on your list of police offenders would be those that are white with a family history traceable back to Waterloo.

It wasn't a list and it wasn't ordered. It was a sentence. The only order comes from you reading it from left to right.

What were you saying about presumption on the internet?

[racefactory]

I didn't expect it to start in England, but am not too surprised. I do believe it may spread soon to other countries. The financial meltdown of not only the US but also the EU is a breeding ground for civil unrest and anarchy has been simmering away for a while now under the veneer of normality.

Even here, the younger set, i.e. teenagers, have been growing up without any respect for adults, authority or human life. This is world-wide so watch for developments elswhere.

The markets are in panic and just now Obama was on the news talking the US up and slighting the downgrade in an attempt to shore up the USD. Unfortunately he comes across as desperate for something good to happen and has only fueled the feelings of concern.

Watch this space...

+1.

Shit is starting to fall apart all over the world now. Ever more frequent behavior like this is just part of the artificial, unsustainable game we're playing. I laugh at those with their head in the sand in denial- the joke is indeed on you in the end. We've been living on borrowed time for a long while now.

What can you expect though when people are growing up with no respect for life but instead only for fucking ipods and brand status.

[Naki Rat]

What's to blame - Youth unemployment? Smartphone/Blackberry communications? Muzzled police control measures? Immigrant influences? PC attitude to 'offending' minority groups? Social discontent? Organised civil disruption? Opportunistic crime?

Or all of the above and more? And from the OH who is an Essex girl originally, "The pot has been bubbling for a long time" :yeah:

[onearmedbandit]

The problem is summed up in this situation. A young driver wrote of his WRX being stupid and irresponsible, a car bought for him by his parents. After the courts had slapped him on the wrist with a wet bus ticket, his parents just bought him another one!



Nothing new here. That happened in my generation, and my fathers. And no doubt his fathers too.

[Mom]

Rubber bullets delivered by the army. No holds barred, stomp on the fuckers!

[jazfender]

Rubber bullets delivered by the army. No holds barred, stomp on the fuckers!

Yeah bring the army in. Like Syria. And Libya. And Yemen.

[Naki Rat]

Yeah bring the army in. Like Syria. And Libya. And Yemen.
Well that's where a lot of the offenders seem to be from originally so sounds like a plan :yes:

[scumdog]

The BBC said the other day

And that folks is where credibility goes out the window...:weird:

[racefactory]

What we are seeing here I think is also a reflection of the untold damage done by you baby-boomers. Thanks to you selfish lot we now face a declining standard of living- we have to work long hours in shitty jobs and have fuck all chance of ever owning a house as wage stagnation is the name of game now. Getting married and having kids just means you both have to work from 6 til 6 while kids are in kindy.

Is it really a surprise us youth are all out binge drinking and looting like this? Anyone who says it's the same shit and we've seen it all before needs to get their head checked.

[Kickaha]

What we are seeing here I think is also a reflection of the untold damage done by you baby-boomers. Thanks to you selfish lot we now face a declining standard of living- we have to work long hours in shitty jobs and have fuck all chance of ever owning a nice house


Yeah, because it's always someone else fault

[jazfender]

And that folks is where credibility goes out the window...:weird:

FFS. Replace BBC with "media with information provided by the Met" then.

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/video/2011-08/09/c_131038107.htm
http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/europe/08/08/uk.riots/
http://english.cntv.cn/program/newsupdate/20110809/103405.shtml
http://www.yreach.com/mumbai/news/breaking-news/flash-news/225-arrested-in-london-rioting.html
http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/TopStories/20110808/police-arrests-in-london-riots-110808/

[scumdog]

FFS. Replace BBC with "media with information provided by the Met" then.

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/video/2011-08/09/c_131038107.htm
http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/europe/08/08/uk.riots/
http://english.cntv.cn/program/newsupdate/20110809/103405.shtml
http://www.yreach.com/mumbai/news/breaking-news/flash-news/225-arrested-in-london-rioting.html
http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/TopStories/20110808/police-arrests-in-london-riots-110808/

And none of them got info from the BBC?

They're all fairy-tale spinners but the BBC spins the biggest ones.

[jazfender]

And none of them got info from the BBC?

They're all fairy-tale spinners but the BBC spins the biggest ones.

Uh... OK so you agree then?

Because my point was that they're assholes for pinning it all on youth.

[PrincessBandit]

What we are seeing here I think is also a reflection of the untold damage done by you baby-boomers. Thanks to you selfish lot we now face a declining standard of living- we have to work long hours in shitty jobs and have fuck all chance of ever owning a nice house as wage stagnation is the name of game now. Getting married and having kids just means you both have to work to stick the kids in nursury from 6 til 6.

Is it really a surprise us youth are all out binge drinking and looting like this? Anyone who says it's the same shit and we've seen it all before needs to get their head checked.
I think it has been pointed out previously that each successive generation has encouraged declining standards and behaviour - it's not the fault of youth or us baby boomers exclusively.
Each successive generation of parents wants to indulge their offspring (regardless of whether they know it's not particularly healthy or not) and in turn each generation - younger, simply by virtue of being the next generation - gets softer, more demanding and more self-centred.
Obviously that's a generalisation and there will always be those who swim against the tide and become the ones who do wonderful humanitarian works, or discover something beneficial to mankind, or who are just kind, decent caring human beings.

What rips my nightie is the fact that these situations attract friggen hooligans who see it as an opportunistic moment in time to unleash their antisocial behaviour in a way which is difficult to control because of the sheer scale of it.

[gwigs]

What we are seeing here I think is also a reflection of the untold damage done by you baby-boomers. Thanks to you selfish lot we now face a declining standard of living- we have to work long hours in shitty jobs and have fuck all chance of ever owning a nice house as wage stagnation is the name of game now. Getting married and having kids just means you both have to work from 6 til 6 to have the kids in kindy.

Is it really a surprise us youth are all out binge drinking and looting like this? Anyone who says it's the same shit and we've seen it all before needs to get their head checked.

We were only following orders...honestly:innocent:

[Howie]

Obviously the spread of it is not related, but here's some perspective on the trigger.

http://www.workerspower.co.uk/?p=1618

Interesting article that one, Puts another light on the reasons behind the unrest, the recent events just being the final straw i particularly liked the paragraph that quotes Martin Luther King Jr



The clear abuse of power by the Metropolitan Police and the auxiliary position of the government prove only that popular unrest is nothing but the outcry of those caught between a rock and a hard place. When a government slashes public spending in this way and presides over a society in which so many people feel that they have no way of improving their lives, then they will take to the streets. As Martin Luther King Jr, a figure who today’s mainstream politicians would almost universally lavish with praise, was quite right when he said, “A riot is the language of the unheard”.


We have a growing group of unheard people in this country at the moment so don't be surprised if riots happen here as well. You can only kick people down for so long eventually they well fight back when they get pushed to far.

[jazfender]

Interesting article that one, Puts another light on the reasons behind the unrest, the recent events just being the final straw...

Which is why the cops and the media and everybody else who is all-too-easily sweeping it aside as just "unruly youth" need to take another look.

[racefactory]

Interesting article that one, Puts another light on the reasons behind the unrest, the recent events just being the final straw i particularly liked the paragraph that quotes Martin Luther King Jr




We have a growing group of unheard people in this country at the moment so don't be surprised if riots happen here as well. You can only kick people down for so long eventually they well fight back when they get pushed to far.

Nice post. I am amongst the unheard and will be there for the riots. You just can't have declining standards of living without some form of resentment.

[craisin]

What looters?
Maybe they were declined a food grant

[onearmedbandit]

What we are seeing here I think is also a reflection of the untold damage done by you baby-boomers. Thanks to you selfish lot we now face a declining standard of living- we have to work long hours in shitty jobs and have fuck all chance of ever owning a nice house as wage stagnation is the name of game now. Getting married and having kids just means you both have to work from 6 til 6 while kids are in kindy.

Is it really a surprise us youth are all out binge drinking and looting like this? Anyone who says it's the same shit and we've seen it all before needs to get their head checked.

For a minute there I thought you were being serious. Sarcasm is hard to read online sometimes.

[MD]

Nice post. I am amongst the unheard and will be there for the riots. You just can't have declining standards of living without some form of resentment.

Nice post.
The ease with which you can place blame on others, free yourself from responsibility for you lot in life and fabricate an excuse to riot - all in one short sentence. How exactly smashing other peoples property fixes the world and all its problems is a mystery to me.

[Bikemad]

Nice post. I am amongst the unheard and will be there for the riots. You just can't have declining standards of living without some form of resentment.

sweet...........let me know when your headin out to riot and loot so i can pop round and loot ya bikes...........

[slowpoke]

Hmmmm, I can't help thinking it's not as simple as the media and politicians are making out.....and most of us are assuming. To suggest it's just a bunch of kids out for a good time and causing this sort of devastation for kicks is just simple minded.

Most of us haven't even experienced the type of environment and/or culture that has bred this obvious rage and resentment. Yet, we're prepared to tell 'em how to fix it....which usually just involves some sort of "Smash 'em!" statement. These aren't the kids you went to school or uni with. They are people who have grown up in ghetto's. There I said it: ghetto. It's a word that's gone out of favour in recent years as we try to pretend we live in an advanced society, but they're alive and flourishing.

From www.dictionary.com:
ghet·to   /ˈgɛtoʊ/ Show Spelled[get-oh]

noun, plural -tos, -toes.
1. a section of a city, especially a thickly populated slum area, inhabited predominantly by members of an ethnic or other minority group, often as a result of social or economic restrictions, pressures, or hardships.
2. (formerly, in most European countries) a section of a city in which all Jews were required to live.
3. a section predominantly inhabited by Jews.
4. any mode of living, working, etc., that results from stereotyping or biased treatment: job ghettos for women; ghettos for the elderly.

Sounds about right eh? In one of supposedly the greatest cities and societies of the world.

I'm not excusing their behaviour, I'm just trying to put myself in their shoes and understand their resentment. I just wonder if I'd grown up with that sort of culture with generations of resentment and disappointment if I'd be any different. Seriously, we've all seen people on here absolutely lose their rags over stupid words on a screen, something that can be forgotten 30seconds later. To assume you'd grow up and evolve into a productive well adjusted member of society under the conditions that have been fostered over there is laughable.

So how do you fix it? Fucked if I know. But surely the first step has to be acknowledging this isn't just a simple "kids having a wild time" incident. It's a complex issue and any solution will need to address policing, migration, integration, racial, political, employment etc etc etc issues that people either don't want to see or are happy to put in the too hard or unimportant basket. But given that Britain only recently quashed hereditary peerage to the House of Lords I don't really see much chance they'll understand the problem let alone come up with a solution.

[jazfender]

I'm not excusing their behaviour, I'm just trying to put myself in their shoes and understand their resentment. I just wonder if I'd grown up with that sort of culture with generations of resentment and disappointment if I'd be any different. Seriously, we've all seen people on here absolutely lose their rags over stupid words on a screen, something that can be forgotten 30seconds later. To assume you'd grow up and evolve into a productive well adjusted member of society under the conditions that have been fostered over there is laughable.

On the money.

[Indiana_Jones]

Nice post.
The ease with which you can place blame on others, free yourself from responsibility for you lot in life and fabricate an excuse to riot - all in one short sentence. How exactly smashing other peoples property fixes the world and all it's problems is a mystery to me.

+1

Fucking up other peoples businesses and cars helps your own situation how? or does it just make you feel a bit better trying to bring someone else down? :facepalm:

-Indy

[SimJen]

when you see all of these muppets wearing masks, ready to give whoever a kicking, they're not trying to make up for the inequality they feel or the lack of money or whatever. They're just looking for a fight for the sake of it. Just like the football hooligans of old!
Finally the Police are talking of getting the Plastic bullets out!

[racefactory]

Civil unrest is the medicine for the problem. If there is no unrest, nothing changes. Peaceful protest is a joke. Harsh but true- sorry. As the financial system falls apart ever more, these events will only become more frequent; so look forward to it.

People need to look deeper and see where all these behavioral problems stem from. All those naysayers with their heads in the sand chirping away need to take a second to think about what might cause this. But most of you are probably boomers quite happy to stay up on your high horse and look down in disgust I'd imagine.

I just wish these rioters could have a bit better sense of cohesion and attack government and police buildings instead- I'd be cheering them on.

[SimJen]

its no longer a protest, they are doing it for fun. The financial part is just an excuse.
what sort of excuse do football hooligans have when they smash streets up and set fire to buildings? Its often irrelevant whether their team won or not, they are just out for the fight/thrill.
Britain has had plenty of scumbags willing to fight for no reason since the 80's!
So many people have chips on their shoulders, sort your shit out and stop blaming society and everyone else for it.
I've been there, these people have options! its just that they choose not to do anything about it.

[racefactory]

its no longer a protest, they are doing it for fun. The financial part is just an excuse.
what sort of excuse do football hooligans have when they smash streets up and set fire to buildings? Its often irrelevant whether their team won or not, they are just out for the fight/thrill.
Britain has had plenty of scumbags willing to fight for no reason since the 80's!
So many people have chips on their shoulders, sort your shit out and stop blaming society and everyone else for it.
I've been there, these people have options! its just that they choose not to do anything about it.

Looting as a result of a football match is one thing, looting an entire country over different cities for no real apparent reason is another. Can you not see the difference?

These are just some of the symptoms of the sick society the boomers have left for us. These yobbos probably don't know what they are are doing it for, but they are doing it as a result of something. Don't just say it's for no reason.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Who else is horrified at the bandwagon anarchistic arseholes who are taking pleasure in creating the violence and destruction in London. And it has spread.
Bring in the army and use 'em as friggin target practice.

The reporter used the term "recreational rioters" - send in the recreational army.

Gotta stop watching the news as the whole thing is just too aaaaaarrrrrrgggggghhhhh to listen to and watch. Terrified residents, buildings and homes destroyed.

What do you actually know about it apart from what you've been fed by the media?

What if they're people with a genuine greivance, finally pissed off enough to do stuff:

Have a look at this, I dare you, though since it conflicts with your received opinion, I doubt you will.

biJgILxGK0o

and yes, she called him "Darcus" I think

[SimJen]

the point is, football hooligans don't riot over the result of the football match, they just riot for the fun of it.
There are plenty of dropkicks in the UK looking for an excuse to fight, thats my point!
you said yourself they don't know what they are doing it for, they are doing it as a result of something? that something being the fact they love to have a fight for the sake/fun of it!
Its a sad situation, and one that will be dispersed with more force than they will be expecting!

[jonbuoy]

Looting as a result of a football match is one thing, looting an entire country over different cities for no real apparent reason is another. Can you not see the difference?

These are just some of the symptoms of the sick society the boomers have left for us. These yobbos don't know what they are are doing it for I'm sure, but they are doing it as a result of something; some shared life sequence of events; some sort of societal pressures and problems. Don't just say it's for no reason.

:tugger: What a load of shite, I left school during the 90´s recession in the UK and struggled to find someone to take me on as an apprentice. I took a pay cut from stacking shelves in a supermarket and only got the job because my parents encouraged me to write begging letters to all businesses in the area.

They should swap out these homegrown spoilt western brats for hard working immigrants, send them to some genuine shit holes where they will feel at home :yes:

[Indiana_Jones]

When they kick out your front door. How you gonna come? With your hands on your head, or on the trigger of your gun....

-Indy

[Genestho]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14458424

Obviously these dozy tarts have a clear idea of their grievances:facepalm:..."It's the governments fault, conservatives of whatever who it is, I dunno"

Yeah, real good reasons to smash, burn and steal.

[SimJen]

check out the video here: http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/5419702/Violence-erupts-outside-London-as-capital-waits

A young guy who's obviously been beaten up sits on the ground with blood coming out of his face. Some yob's help him up and then nick whatevers in his bag! Obviously they have a big problem with the economy/government/whateva!
Any excuse to thieve!

[Grasshopperus]

Even here, the younger set, i.e. teenagers, have been growing up without any respect for adults, authority or human life. This is world-wide so watch for developments elswhere.




It's not bollocks, it's fact, pure and simple and yes, the adults are to "blame", or more specifically, each generation has deteriorated with less respect, less responsibility, less parental guidance, breeding successive generations of more selfish, lazier youngsters without any sense of personal responsibility.



"I see no hope for the future of our people if they are dependent on frivolous youth of today, for certainly all youth are reckless beyond words... When I was young, we were taught to be discreet and respectful of elders, but the present youth are exceedingly [disrespectful] and impatient of restraint"
- Hesiod, 8th century BC

[HenryDorsetCase]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14458424

Obviously these dozy tarts have a clear idea of their grievances:facepalm:..."It's the governments fault, conservatives of whatever who it is, I dunno"

Yeah, real good reasons to smash, burn and steal.

I can't think of any better.

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[oneofsix]

check out the video here: http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/5419702/Violence-erupts-outside-London-as-capital-waits

A young guy who's obviously been beaten up sits on the ground with blood coming out of his face. Some yob's help him up and then nick whatevers in his bag! Obviously they have a big problem with the economy/government/whateva!
Any excuse to thieve!

can not have been a school bag, seems the fuckers can't read.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/5419882/Looters-rampage-but-book-store-untouched
Any excuse to steel some elses hard work

[onearmedbandit]

Let me get this right. There are people here who are defending the actions of the 'looters'? Correct me if I'm wrong.

But if you are defending them, how would you feel as they approached your home with your family in it?

[Genestho]

I can't think of any better.


Yeah BUT, if you listen to the girls speak, they're just blind followers, I realise that's just a minority example amplified as always by media (well, you'd want to hope so!)
What I don't understand is, why terrorise or target families and mostly small neighbourhood businesses, destroying their own environments, rather than targeting the "system" if that truly is a root cause?

I'm sure there's a myriad of reasons for unrest, but when you compare this to the egyptian uprising, this really looks like a bunch of opportunistic and bored brats exploiting the young chaps shooting, that need a good kick up the arse.

[racefactory]

Let me get this right. There are people here who are defending the actions of the 'looters'? Correct me if I'm wrong.

But if you are defending them, how would you feel as they approached your home with your family in it?

No I don't think anyone is defending or approving of the actions of these yobs, but these are just symptoms of problems that society has created.

Why does it always have to be just for or against? Isn't that too simple? I don't think it should just be about taking sides. You could just sit on your high horse and condemn everything all you want, but if people tried to understand more why our society breeds this behavior then possibly it could be prevented in the future.

[blackdog]

the fact they love to have a fight for the sake/fun of it!



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwDRBm-qbQI

[george formby]

The rioting has given me a horrendous sense of De ja vu. I lived 100mtrs away from this. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broadwater_Farm_riot

I slept through it, consequences of being a chef working 16 hours a day 6 days a week. I walked out of the house into Beirut, armoured Land Rovers, mobs of full riot gear SPG officers & the locals running around with tellys & microwaves.
It was f%^&*($g terrifying.

[pzkpfw]

Why do they only want to use rubber bullets?

[ellipsis]

...if only they realised that the system they hate so much can/could be changed by being aware, proactive and voting...thought I was a bit of an anarchist myself once, many many years ago....'til I went and lived in other climes and saw for myself how unaware and pampered and free I was....very easy to be altruistic and know it all from where we are looking from...

....and like some have alluded to...whats changed over the centuries...5/8s of FA

[Bikemad]

People need to look deeper and see where all these behavioral problems stem from. All those naysayers with their heads in the sand chirping away need to take a second to think about what might cause this. But most of you are probably boomers quite happy to stay up on your high horse and look down in disgust I'd imagine




These are just some of the symptoms of the sick society the boomers have left for us. These yobbos probably don't know what they are are doing it for, but they are doing it as a result of something. Don't just say it's for no reason.

cry me a river dude......BREAKING NEWS:The Pity Train has derailed at the intersection of Suck It Up & Move On, and crashed into We All Have Problems, before coming to a complete stop at Get the Hell Over It. Any complaints about how we boomers operate can be forwarded to 1 (800) Whaa-Whaa. This is Dr. Sniffle reporting LIVE from Quitchur Bitchin'.Suck it up cupcake, Life doesn't revolve around you or me or those lazy thieving retards whose greatest achievement to date would probably have been scribbling their initials on someone elses fence or wall and have grown up with an overinflated ego and sense of entitlement and just want it all with no real effort on their part.............thats the reason................we have the same little fuckers here too but with only a population of 4.5mill as compared to 60+mill their impact isnt as noticable i suppose

[Maha]

One thing the poms are good at is mindless misdirectional violence.
They dont need much prompting.
Wheres the army?

[Voltaire]

Anyone remember the Queen Street riots that started off from a Dave Dobbyn concert? I was in town that night with some US cousins....their comment was that in NY they riot when the power goes off....not when a band is playing.

As for blame....I find these days its always someones else's fault.:innocent:

I was in London when the Poll Tax riot happened....about 3 miles away....saw it on the news.

The veneer of civilization is indeed thin.

[Indiana_Jones]

From what I've read the Queen street 'riot', if you can call it that, was child's play next to most other riots. :scooter:

-Indy

[george formby]

One thing the poms are good at is mindless misdirectional violence.
They dont need much prompting.
Wheres the army?

I agree, since the Romans left British yoof has been bored, broke & bitter. Now we have the Play Station generation who are probably the most desensitised yet.

I was sobered to hear that a customer was amazed to find that our buses have change on board, he comes from Dublin & the threat of a junkie sticking a syringe full of blood into the drivers neck for a few coins has stopped them carrying change on board. He considered our situation to be unusual & slightly freaky.

Shit, I think we have a ring side seat to watch Rome burn.

[racefactory]

I agree. One thing you truly appreciate in this country is the absence of graffiti and vandalism. Let it stay that way. Sure, there's the occasional bus shelter but making them out of glass they are just asking for it. I don't think you can pass through any given tunnel or alley in England without it being decimated with the stuff.

[imdying]

Not really anything to do with the economy, the drug barons are calling the shots and organising the riots.

The police are giving them enough rope to hang themselves, which is why it's going on this long. Pretty soon not only will they have a good idea of the numbers that the barons can bring to bear, but also good photographs of them, and not much lip back from the civil liberty retards when they start to really turn the screws on the rioters.

[racefactory]

Not really anything to do with the economy, the drug barons are calling the shots and organising the riots.

The police are giving them enough rope to hang themselves, which is why it's going on this long. Pretty soon not only will they have a good idea of the numbers that the barons can bring to bear, but also good photographs of them, and not much lip back from the civil liberty retards when they start to really turn the screws on the rioters.

Isn't it just random yobs on facebook?

[HenryDorsetCase]

Let me get this right. There are people here who are defending the actions of the 'looters'? Correct me if I'm wrong.

But if you are defending them, how would you feel as they approached your home with your family in it?

You created this problem, whitey.

You and your educatoin system and your class system, and your rich and poor and black and white. You sneer at the products of that system who've been set up to fail, because they are inarticulate, and because now they have seized an opportunity, they are attacking your symbols of bourgeoise excess. Yes your flat screen TV and your boots the chemist.

I mean really.

[imdying]

Isn't it just random yobs on facebook?Apparently the barons are using twitter and other social networking mediums to coordinate the rioting peons. There are of course the general scum coming along for the ride who aren't otherwise associated.

The guy the cops shot for pulling a gun on them that started it all off is a figurehead in the local drug trade, and his killing is making the underlings fearful as if he can be touched so can they... thus the barons are flexing their muscle to prove to their subordinates that they still rule the roost as it were.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Not really anything to do with the economy, the drug barons are calling the shots and organising the riots.

The police are giving them enough rope to hang themselves, which is why it's going on this long. Pretty soon not only will they have a good idea of the numbers that the barons can bring to bear, but also good photographs of them, and not much lip back from the civil liberty retards when they start to really turn the screws on the rioters.

I will be interested in seeing how it plays out. It will be forgotten by the mainstream media the day after people stop lobbing concrete blocks through shopfronts.

the funniest thing I've heard today is the term "anti-social media". snarf.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Apparently the barons are using twitter and other social networking mediums to coordinate the rioting peons. There are of course the general scum coming along for the ride who aren't otherwise associated.

The guy the cops shot for pulling a gun on them that started it all off is a figurehead in the local drug trade, and his killing is making the underlings fearful as if he can be touched so can they... thus the barons are flexing their muscle to prove to their subordinates that they still rule the roost as it were.

source please

[imdying]

source pleaseDon't you read the papers?

[HenryDorsetCase]

Don't you read the papers?

I get all my news and opinions from Kiwibiker. obviously

[Swoop]

Riots? I thought it was just a normal match between Millwall and Chelsea?:woohoo:


The guy the cops shot for pulling a gun on them...
It appears as though he got at least one round off at the policeman. A bullet found lodged in the cop's radio.

But enough seriousness, jokes time!

3D home entertainment isn't all it's cracked up to be.
Once you get it all set up, you'll realise that you forgot to rob the glasses.



Hundreds of young teens densely packed in the streets of London, causing chaos and destruction. Where's Anders Breivik when you need him?


I don't understand why the police don't use water cannons, it'd shock the rioters so much, most of them have never experienced a shower before!

[george formby]

A friend of mine was caught up in the rioting yesterday. He hid in the last place they would look for him.








The job centre....

[SPman]

+1

Fucking up other peoples businesses and cars helps your own situation how? or does it just make you feel a bit better trying to bring someone else down? :facepalm:

-IndyYou get to a point where you just don't give a fuck about anything, any more and lash out at the nearest thing to hand. All reasoning has long gone.....


A bullet found lodged in the cop's radio....which was a police issue bullet.......:shit:

[willytheekid]

Issue the cops with shotguns loaded with rocksalt! :ar15:

That would get the kiddies off the streets.....and straight into a bath to desolve the salt lodged in their arse.

Bring out the army as well!

....little shits!, what the hell happened to morals!...poor bloody shop owners etc

[mashman]

You get to a point where you just don't give a fuck about anything, any more and lash out at the nearest thing to hand. All reasoning has long gone.....


True. They don't understand the implications of burning down a business. People can lose their lives, people become unemployed etc... Insurance companies up their premiums. I'm hoping they'll remember that they need to eat and sleep for 48hrs soon, and that the rioting is over as quickly as it began.

[imdying]

Apparently the barons are using twitter and other social networking mediums to coordinate the rioting peons.They're having trouble finding any actual evidence of the ring leaders using twitter to do this. They have found evidence of Blackberries used to do it, again pointing at the cashed up drug gangs.

[george formby]

I very much doubt that we know a fraction of what is happening at the moment. The UK is one of the most heavily monitored societies in the world. Highest use of CCTV, best face recognition technology etc etc.
The real consequences of the riots will take weeks, maybe months to unfold, a few column inches on page six of a tabloid, unnoticed by the masses.
I expect over coming weeks their will be some very early morning calls for quite a few of the ring leaders.

[bungbung]

http://photoshoplooter.tumblr.com

[SimJen]

...which was a police issue bullet.......:shit:

It was a jacketed round, similar to police issue but this type of round was also found in the douche's gun! Forensics still underway on the whole issue.

[Usarka]

Football hooliganism was almost fixed by hooligans all taking ecstacy and getting loved up.

All the young folk over there now are on the coke.

[meteor]

Heard them onto a boat and send them to Aussie. Sorted.

[meteor]

From what I've read the Queen street 'riot', if you can call it that, was child's play next to most other riots. :scooter:

-Indy

Oh I don't know, cars rolled, smashed windows, looting... sounds pretty riotous to me. I was there, pretty surreal. Mob mentality is scary stuff.

[Oblivion]

Probably in due time, the idiots won't even know what they are rioting about anymore. Its just bonkers. Ignorant extremist at its worst. They think the only way to direct attention to themselves is to burn down a house. But at the end of the day, what have they gained? Nothing but a gutted homeowner who wonders why he deserved all this shit.

[PrincessBandit]

i'd love there to be proof that every single person rioting is doing it through altruistic motivation. I reckon there'd be more than just a few hanger-on-er-ers getting their boot in just 'cos they can. Stuff "we have a grievance" - maybe some are doing it because of that, I'm sure those people do have every feeling of justification for their actions. But 100% of them? I dont' think so.

[Mom]

Deploy the army, arm them with rubber bullets.

A very sad situation over there indeed, it actually makes me feel a bit sick that people can have so little respect for the country they live in.

[jonbuoy]

The Spanish protesters "indignados" have been staging demonstrations, peaceful demonstrations here, a group of them have taken over an old building in town and hung banners effectively saying "we are fit and healthy we want to work and earn a living and be treated with dignity". Says a 1000x more than smashing up the town center. Long term unemployed here get nothing, zip.

[jazfender]

Riots escalating...

http://i.imgur.com/C5XQm.gif

[Wannabiker]

[QUOTE=Mom;1130127087]Deploy the army, arm them with Ball ammo.

Fixed it for ya....

[Usarka]

Deploy the army, arm them with rubber bullets.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/may/24/tomlinson-police-officer-manslaughter-trial


Half the reason why it has escalated so far is that the cops have recently learnt that they'll get charged with manslaughter if they respond in such a way and it goes wrong (which it can very easily).

[Fatt Max]

I am in London at the moment, we are about 2km's away from Ealing where some of the worst violence was on Tuesday night. I know the area well and am totally shocked to see and hear what is happening.

When all hell broke loose on Monday, there were rumours flying around that it was some kind of extremist 'Uprising' which had me seriously thinking about sorting flights to get me home earlier. But as the day went on and footage came in, it is clear that these are just fucking useless bastards, kids, Ali G's, gangsta wannabies, nothing more and nothing less.

Yes, the economy is fucked, yes there are social 'issues' but that is no excuse. These bastards are simply taking to the streets to rob, vandalise and steal. I was supposed to be going to England v Holland at Wembley tonight but that game has been cancelled cos of these little toe rags. Big deal I know, there are people who have lost their houses and businesses cos of these arseholes, my heart goes out to all of them.

Anyway, I'm here right in the middle of it and can see whats happening and who is responsible. Sorry, but anyone who excuses this kind of mindless bollockes cos of social environment or any other PC riddled reason is no better then the scumbag rioters that are ruining peoples lives in my brilliant homeland.

Fuck them all, they are scum and need to be dealt with

Rant over

PS, at least my local pie shop is still open so, you know, every cloud......

[Fatt Max]

Deploy the army, arm them with rubber bullets.

A very sad situation over there indeed, it actually makes me feel a bit sick that people can have so little respect for the country they live in.

The army / police stopped using rubber bullets years ago

So..real ones then......

And please dont bracket these arseholes with 'people', its bad enough asociating them with the UK in the first place.

[Fatt Max]

One thing the poms are good at is mindless misdirectional violence.
They dont need much prompting.
Wheres the army?

Dont bring all of us English into this mate. These are a minority of mindless cunts. I know, I am here looking at them. They are just about human, please dont refer to them as poms or English, they dont deserve it.

[Fatt Max]

Let me get this right. There are people here who are defending the actions of the 'looters'? Correct me if I'm wrong.

But if you are defending them, how would you feel as they approached your home with your family in it?

Fucking well put mate +1

[Fatt Max]

Well that's where a lot of the offenders seem to be from originally so sounds like a plan :yes:

Fucking right, and scare the shit out of these bastards. Thats what they need mate, no more wet fucking bus tickets. People have been burned out of their homes cos of these, I know, I watched the smoke and the flames myself.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Deploy the army, arm them with rubber bullets.

A very sad situation over there indeed, it actually makes me feel a bit sick that people can have so little respect for the country they live in.

the problem with sending in the army is that the british troops they would send have just come back from Iraq. So the search and seizure mindset, area clearance, headspace of the soldiers and command is utterly utterly wrong for this sort of thing.

short answer: Dont. its the wrong thing to do.

[Fatt Max]

the problem with sending in the army is that the british troops they would send have just come back from Iraq. So the search and seizure mindset, area clearance, headspace of the soldiers and command is utterly utterly wrong for this sort of thing.

short answer: Dont. its the wrong thing to do.

We dont need all the army, not all of them were overseas anyway.

A battalion of the Scots Guards from Chelsea Barracks backed up by the TA in full uniform and plant them on the streets.

Bear in mind these rioters are shitters, not exactly brave so just the sight of some mean looking fucking squaddies would be enough.

The word is now that the decent people are mobbing up to sort the bastards out. As much as I support them in that it will make the streets of London and elsewhere an all out war zone, nobody wants that so get the boys out and put the frighteners on these scum.

Them, when its all over, take a mob of your mates and cruise the pool halls where these cunts hang out, bundle a few into a van, take them down to some wasteland and, well.......

[meteor]

On the news tonight there was a story about Clapham or Croydon or something that the community banded together and came out and cleaned up the mess. That's great, the community taking ownership. Now just need the parents to take ownership of their kids. The govt. to take ownership of the lax laws and policies that have allowed the shifting of accountability from the individual, especially the youth. They say we in NZ are about 10-15 yrs behind Britain socially. If we don't sort our shit out soon... we're fucked!

[jazfender]

This site really is just fat, white, privileged "men".

[Fatt Max]

This site really is just fat, white, privileged "men".

I'm not privileged.......

[scumdog]

This site really is just fat, white, privileged "men".

And loving it! (Said in best Maxwell Smart voice)

[Katman]

Riots escalating...

Is that a pigeon in disguise?

[Woodman]

Couldn't agree more. This country has it's problems like the rest.

UK is full of Paki and Polish cunts, NZ is full of Slope heads.

Unemployment is high in the UK, high here.

Better chance of getting a job here in Auckland then in a town of 18,000 though lol

Not much one can do really.

Forget the slopes and the pakis, the problem we have in NZ if you want to take a racist stance is the fucken whinging shitstirring english that we let in. They may look the same as us but they are still foreign.

[Winston001]

the problem with sending in the army is that the british troops they would send have just come back from Iraq. So the search and seizure mindset, area clearance, headspace of the soldiers and command is utterly utterly wrong for this sort of thing.

short answer: Dont. its the wrong thing to do.

Must say I had the same thoughts overnight. Soldiers are trained to kill and do it well. As they should. Holding back being nice guys while some prick throws Molotov cocktails and bricks at you just isn't natural for any soldier. I'd shoot. Probably regret it, but that's the instinct from 16,000km away.

They use the L85A2 which is a nice assault rifle. Short on range but so is the M16 and this is all local firezone so it would be fine.



Edit: just watching Yngwie Malmsteen playing Voodoo Chile so my views may be enhanced...:woohoo:

[jazfender]

Forget the slopes and the pakis, the problem we have in NZ if you want to take a racist stance is the fucken whinging shitstirring english that we let in. They may look the same as us but they are still foreign.

And why would you want to take a racist stance?

[Berries]

:tugger: What a load of shite, I left school during the 90´s recession in the UK and struggled to find someone to take me on as an apprentice. I took a pay cut from stacking shelves in a supermarket and only got the job because my parents encouraged me to write begging letters to all businesses in the area.

They should swap out these homegrown spoilt western brats for hard working immigrants, send them to some genuine shit holes where they will feel at home :yes:
Absolutely bang on. They have it hard. So fucking what?

Every TV camera in the UK should have a sniper rifle attachment and these twats should be taken out. At the very least they should kneecap every fucker with a mask on. They are using oxygen that the rest of us need.

I can't see this kind of thing happening in NZ, basically because of the gun laws. People here would be able to protect their property a bit better than some scared immigrants with no Police back up.


Forget the slopes and the pakis, the problem we have in NZ if you want to take a racist stance is the fucken whinging shitstirring english that we let in. They may look the same as us but they are still foreign.Well if you want to be racist look at this way. If you hadn't let them in you'd be listening to the news on the bongo drums.

[Berries]

i see the BBC are getting slated. Try this for some independent views - England Riots. (http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/society/riots-caused-by-society-or-lazy%2c-thieving-pricks%2c-say-experts-201108094174/)

[jazfender]

More perspective for those typing with their cocks.

http://globalcomment.com/2011/why-riot-and-not-revolt-protest-and-the-london-riots/

[slowpoke]

Let me get this right. There are people here who are defending the actions of the 'looters'? Correct me if I'm wrong.

But if you are defending them, how would you feel as they approached your home with your family in it?

Nope, I don't think anyone here is defending their actions, they're just trying to figure out why this is happening....repeatedly. Unless someone starts to look at the root causes you might as well start putting a bit aside each week as you wait for the next outbreak.

To look at it another way: could the same thing happen in Auckland, Wellington or Christchurch? Or Sydney, Melbourne or Perth? I don't think so, and not because they are that much smaller, but because the culture is different. So you have to ask: why is the culture is so fucked over there and not here? London is supposedly one of the world's "pin-up" cities in a supposedly egalitarian society. So WHY are these riots occurring?

Whatever way you look at it: yobs and thugs or a genuinely frustrated underclass SOME COMBINATION OF THINGS has created the situation. Either put things in place to stop creating yobs and thugs or reduce the frustration. Stamping out the current unrest and doing nothing else is treating the symptom, not the disease.

I mean, if you had repeated major breakdowns with your bike, say it kept holing pistons, you'd do more than just keep replacing pistons would you? You'd be investigating all sorts of things: piston manufacture, air/fuel ratio, ignition timing, fuel quality etc etc. All the people who think just shooting the yobs and going back to normal business are effectively advocating just keep changing the piston, there is no other problem. Surely looking at why the piston keeps failing is the better option?

[jonbuoy]

More perspective for those typing with their cocks.

http://globalcomment.com/2011/why-riot-and-not-revolt-protest-and-the-london-riots/

Have you ever been to the UK?

[Brian d marge]

On the news tonight there was a story about Clapham or Croydon or something that the community banded together and came out and cleaned up the mess. That's great, the community taking ownership. Now just need the parents to take ownership of their kids. The govt. to take ownership of the lax laws and policies that have allowed the shifting of accountability from the individual, especially the youth. They say we in NZ are about 10-15 yrs behind Britain socially. If we don't sort our shit out soon... we're fucked!
Yup I would say thats true, I was born and bred in east london , squatted in most north london housing estates , and unless you have been there and seen the inter generational ..fked-up-ness,
about 20 % are feral , as in feral ... cant read , write , and the ONLY interview they will ever get is from a nice man in a blue suit.
They just don't care ,

This ( as I have said till I'm blue in the face ),is a result of American style economics , .

and the book I quoted , " five families a Mexican case study " its all there

The I don't care attitude , probably is in NZ already, but the day they actually get of their arses , I am running down the TAB to put ten dollars each way , on snowflake in Hell.


Burn the friggen place to the ground I say ...... maybe SOMETHING will change

Stephen

[Fatt Max]

the problem we have in NZ if you want to take a racist stance is the fucken whinging shitstirring english that we let in. They may look the same as us but they are still foreign.

Too fucking right we are mate. Mind you, who else would have given you the 'after pub curry' if we all stayed at home.

I love you and want to rub honey mustard into the deepest reaches of your cleft....mwah.....

[Fatt Max]

Burn the friggen place to the ground I say ...... maybe SOMETHING will change

Wait until I get out before you do that me old mate, hanging out now for a decent mince n cheese eh....

[Maha]

Dont bring all of us English into this mate. These are a minority of mindless cunts. I know, I am here looking at them. They are just about human, please dont refer to them as poms or English, they dont deserve it.

...some say ''one thing kiwis are good at is playing rugby''....well clearly that is not completely true because I am not.

[Deano]

I mean, if you had repeated major breakdowns with your bike, say it kept holing pistons, you'd do more than just keep replacing pistons would you? You'd be investigating all sorts of things: piston manufacture, air/fuel ratio, ignition timing, fuel quality etc etc. All the people who think just shooting the yobs and going back to normal business are effectively advocating just keep changing the piston, there is no other problem. Surely looking at why the piston keeps failing is the better option?

But what if the manufacturer of the pistons just kept making shite products which was the reason for failure and they weren't interested in improving the product ?

You'd arsehole that particular brand of piston wouldn't you?

[Swoop]

Bad news, the rioting has spread to Ireland.

Poor Paddy has just smashed his laptop screen after trying to loot ebay!

[Paul in NZ]

There was some quite good commentary on close up last night.

Some tosser ex social worker from the area who was a fuckin knob end and had no real insite other than saying it all started when this guy was shot and there needs to be answers about that... (I'd say it had fuck all to do with that and the guy was a baddie with a gun ffs, what was he expecting?)

Then a kiwi sociologist / scientist chick who spent years studying this shit all over europe. One factor is the density of youth in these areas. Sooo many angry young men and nothing else.

[Woodman]

The local London councils should fund a "rioting park" so the angry youths can go and smash shit and practice rioting techniques in a safe and controlled environment.

[mashman]

I can't see this kind of thing happening in NZ, basically because of the gun laws.


Aye, because a gun is going to stop 20 or 30+ people setting your house on fire :blink:



To look at it another way: could the same thing happen in Auckland, Wellington or Christchurch? Or Sydney, Melbourne or Perth? I don't think so, and not because they are that much smaller, but because the culture is different. So you have to ask: why is the culture is so fucked over there and not here? London is supposedly one of the world's "pin-up" cities in a supposedly egalitarian society. So WHY are these riots occurring?

Whatever way you look at it: yobs and thugs or a genuinely frustrated underclass SOME COMBINATION OF THINGS has created the situation. Either put things in place to stop creating yobs and thugs or reduce the frustration. Stamping out the current unrest and doing nothing else is treating the symptom, not the disease.

I mean, if you had repeated major breakdowns with your bike, say it kept holing pistons, you'd do more than just keep replacing pistons would you? You'd be investigating all sorts of things: piston manufacture, air/fuel ratio, ignition timing, fuel quality etc etc. All the people who think just shooting the yobs and going back to normal business are effectively advocating just keep changing the piston, there is no other problem. Surely looking at why the piston keeps failing is the better option?

Remove Adults from power and remove money from the face of the planet and you'll have a decent start point. I completely agree that the kids have gone apeshit for no reason other than they suddenly found something that they could profit from (why else you do steal things?)... but it's the Adults that are responsible for society, not the kids (as mentioned elsewhere, this relects on "us" and how we live life)... Primarily because we HAVE to work. Once upon a time 1 salary was enough.

Add another 61 million more people to the population of NZ (to match the UK's population), tis about the same land size etc... and this place would erupt like Etna... culture means feck all to those who don't have any.

[Paul in NZ]

There was some quite good commentary on close up last night.

Some tosser ex social worker from the area who was a fuckin knob end and had no real insite other than saying it all started when this guy was shot and there needs to be answers about that... (I'd say it had fuck all to do with that and the guy was a baddie with a gun ffs, what was he expecting?)

Then a kiwi sociologist / scientist chick who spent years studying this shit all over europe. One factor is the density of youth in these areas. Sooo many angry young men and nothing else.

Ah - here, sensible stuff....

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/5426057/Unrest-inevitable-NZ-just-as-bad-academic


Governments need to back the bus up. Stop out sourcing everything off shore and find jobs and apprenticeships for these louts.

[Deano]

Aye, because a gun is going to stop 20 or 30+ people setting your house on fire :blink:


Would you be the first rioter in line ?

[Fatt Max]

...some say ''one thing kiwis are good at is playing rugby''....well clearly that is not completely true because I am not.

Yes, but you are a great snog mate, I know....

[Woodman]

Well if you want to be racist look at this way. If you hadn't let them in you'd be listening to the news on the bongo drums.

Yes ,must thank them for bringing modern society here. Its going just great.

[Paul in NZ]

The local London councils should fund a "rioting park" so the angry youths can go and smash shit and practice rioting techniques in a safe and controlled environment.

Cor - should run a course on it eh? I wonder if I could do an adult apprenticeship on it? I'm a bit weak on knife technique but do a loverly insult...

[Usarka]

A mate of mine in London had great dreams of opening such a facility.

I might remind him of his idea, it could get some government funding.

[Scoobydoo]

Aye, because a gun is going to stop 20 or 30+ people setting your house on fire :blink:


Stop it, youre getting me all excited (http://www.trademe.co.nz/Sports/Hunting-shooting/Shotguns/auction-397348092.htm) now........

[martybabe]

Reporter: "why are you looting?"
Looter: "we're making a stand against the police trying to control our lives!"
Reporter: "is that an excuse to loot?"
Looter:"No, but right, it's just a way for us to make money innit, but all those stuck up people don't get it, yeh?"

[mashman]

Would you be the first rioter in line ?


Putting myself in their shoes (mob mentality and all)? Why not. I'll just send the other half around the back and start burning the place to the ground. I certainly wouldn't underestimate the abilities of the snot dribblers... armed or not. They're young, not (classically) stupid imho.



Stop it, youre getting me all excited now........


It's even got my name on it :). I still wouldn't fancy my odds. (that's a serious piece of kit)



Reporter: "why are you looting?"
Looter: "we're making a stand against the police trying to control our lives!"
Reporter: "is that an excuse to loot?"
Looter:"No, but right, it's just a way for us to make money innit, but all those stuck up people don't get it, yeh?"


That sounds just about right to me... innit.

As a semi-joke... get the footballers, that won't be playing this weekend, to deliver Pizza to the ground between cops and kids and go from there...

[HenryDorsetCase]

Aye, because a gun is going to stop 20 or 30+ people setting your house on fire :blink:



Remove Adults from power and remove money from the face of the planet and you'll have a decent start point. I completely agree that the kids have gone apeshit for no reason other than they suddenly found something that they could profit from (why else you do steal things?)... but it's the Adults that are responsible for society, not the kids (as mentioned elsewhere, this relects on "us" and how we live life)... Primarily because we HAVE to work. Once upon a time 1 salary was enough.

Add another 61 million more people to the population of NZ (to match the UK's population), tis about the same land size etc... and this place would erupt like Etna... culture means feck all to those who don't have any.


this gun would, while you had ammunition for it.

ILUXYVUUZrY

[Indiana_Jones]

Meanwhile back home in Tiverton...

<img src="http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/face/images/02ky085a.jpg">

Rioting?......or too much scrumpy? :confused:

-Indy

[Maha]

Yes, but you are a great snog mate, I know....

Well there is that...do you think can get that plasma tv back here ok?

[mashman]

this gun would, while you had ammunition for it.

heh... that it might if they were coming in through your front door... but wether a minigun or a biggun, it won't stop them from sliding in behind you.

[Swoop]

One factor is the density of youth...
That could be read in more than one way...:blip:

The local London councils should fund a "rioting park" so the angry youths can go and smash shit and practice rioting techniques...
I believe it is referred to as a "football stadium".:laugh:

[Indiana_Jones]

heh... that it might if they were coming in through your front door... but wether a minigun or a biggun, it won't stop them from sliding in behind you.

Then they pull your pants down....and then.....

-Indy

[mashman]

Then they pull your pants down....and then.....

-Indy

let's hope it doesn't go that far.

[98tls]

Logo update...

[Robert Taylor]

All of this thuggery and wanton distruction has prompted me to dig out my copy of Enoch Powells biography. That man was so right...................

[jazfender]

http://landing.newsinc.com/shared/video.html?freewheel=90121&sitesection=ap&VID=23504501

Fuck this.

As usual, politicians miss the mark and blame technology for unrest as they happily ignore underlying social issues.

[ellipsis]

http://landing.newsinc.com/shared/video.html?freewheel=90121&sitesection=ap&VID=23504501

Fuck this.

As usual, politicians miss the mark and blame technology for unrest as they happily ignore underlying social issues.

...we're all lying under social issues...

[jazfender]

...we're all lying under social issues...

Yeah, one of them is incompetent fucking politicians.

[ellipsis]

...seldom been anything but...

[jonbuoy]

You want to know how bad some of these wasters are - watch Jamie Olivers Dream School on You Tube. He takes a bunch of no hoper's and tries to make something of them by giving them a chance in his dream school - famous artists, historians, mathematicians and scientist all try to get them interested in using their brains. He was trying to prove it wasn´t the kids at fault but the poor teaching, schooling and social pressures. It was a failure, 95% of the kids couldn´t have given a shit.

[jonbuoy]

Meanwhile in another world really underprivileged kids try to get a an education for themselves....



244431.

[mashman]

You want to know how bad some of these wasters are - watch Jamie Olivers Dream School on You Tube. He takes a bunch of no hoper's and tries to make something of them by giving them a chance in his dream school - famous artists, historians, mathematicians and scientist all try to get them interested in using their brains. He was trying to prove it wasn´t the kids at fault but the poor teaching, schooling and social pressures. It was a failure, 95% of the kids couldn´t have given a shit.

all that proves is that kids are kids, and always have been. Stop measuring them using the Adult yard stick and you may be pleasantly surprised at their abilities.

[jonbuoy]

all that proves is that kids are kids, and always have been. Stop measuring them using the Adult yard stick and you may be pleasantly surprised at their abilities.

Have you seen the show? Our kids and none of any kids I know/they know behave that like that.

[mashman]

Have you seen the show? Our kids and none of any kids I know/they know behave that like that.

Nope... is that supposed to matter? Or can I just accept that there are unruly kids (even here in NZ :shit:)? Good on your kids and their friends, they sound delightful.

[Robert Taylor]

Yeah, one of them is incompetent fucking politicians.

And who votes for them? It seems for too many years people have habitually voted for the easy options and whomever was throwing the biggest bag of lollies at the electorate. We are ALL implicated, not just the politicians.
In my immediate past post on this thread I quoted a politician who had they listened to him Britain would be a much better place today. Google Enoch Powell, ''Rivers of blood'' speech, Birmingham, 1968.

[racefactory]

I believe NZ faces this shit in the future with the untold demographic problems given rise to from Working For Familes/DPB and the unscrupulous breeding inherent with it.

[jonbuoy]

Nope... is that supposed to matter? Or can I just accept that there are unruly kids (even here in NZ :shit:)? Good on your kids and their friends, they sound delightful.

Unruly is one thing, these kids were something else.

[Edbear]

Unruly is one thing, these kids were something else.

I agree, unruly is bad, but these people, of all ages, involved in the rioting were louts and thugs of the worst order. No conscience and an IQ that must be barely readable!

Listen to the parents, and you can see why the kids are so stupid, too.

[FJRider]

What's with the poverty stricken youth ... that are taking part in the riots ... all (most) communicating with Ipods and Blackberries ... ??? how can those hard done by kids afford those ... ???

Or did they "pick them up" in the last riot ... ??? :shifty:

[jazfender]

And who votes for them?

The great unwashed?

It's not all on us though, when I'm voting for a candidate I'm not thinking about whether or not they might be on holiday during a crisis and then proceed to ignore the social causes and go about implementing totalitarian tactics to cover their embarrassment and further their selfish conservative agenda.

At least not when I'm straight.

[RDJ]

I believe NZ faces this in the future with the untold demographic problems given rise to from Working For Familes/DPB and the unscrupulous breeding inherent with it.

Yea, verily. Give people free stuff and they want more of it. As someone else said, give a man a fish and he'll riot for more fish.

And to call people with trainers, blackberries, mobile phones, et cetera - who clearly have power laid to fire up their looted plasma TV - as part of a poverty stricken underclass is laughable.

[mashman]

Unruly is one thing, these kids were something else.

aye... and they get better at it with age. TV cameras are like red rags to bulls for kids/some. Get their 15 seconds etc... and something to laugh about later with their mates. Can't say I'd have been too different :innocent:

[Usarka]

I reckon the UK's getting close to implementing breeding policies.

About bloody time too.

[Fatt Max]

Ok, for what it is worth this is my $0.10 on this.

I have been in London throughout thw rioting, we are staying about 2kms away from one of the worst hit areas. I am seeing droves of police and Specials' out on the streets and also am heartened by the number of normal people helping to clear up the mess that these bastards have caused.

The post mortem as to why this all happened is well under way, the social do gooder's and PC brigade are in full swing as are the human rights activists who believe you should not be punished for your crimes....

and that is what this is about....crime, criminals engaging in criminal activity. Fuck all to do with protesting, economic conditions, the rule of the rich ro whatever. It is simply two bob criminals committing crime, ie robbing, vandalism, assault, arson and looting to name a few.

and why are they doing it? Simple, cos the namby pamby justice system does not make them responsible for their actions and negates any feeling of consequence for actions.

The PC riddled wankers that control a certain amount of social thought in NZ had better sit up and look at what a system of tolerence and rehabilitation can do if not held in check. I believe that NZ is a long way from where London and other cities are at now but if these idiots insist on letting criminals )ie, those that commit crime) get away with it, you WILL see shit like this happening on the streets of God's Own.

My 6 year old son saw the flames billowing out of a burning building in North London, I do NOT want him to see the same in NZ.

It is up to all of us as parents, guardians, citizens and New Zealanders to make sure the ethic of responsibility and consequence is entrenched in all our people, regardless of what they perceive to have or not have. We must then ensure our government and judicial system make criminals PAY for their actions.

I do not subscribe to the excuse that there are poor social conditions, thats a cop out, thats why these fuckers do what they do and thats why they were getting away with it.

Not in NZ my lovelies, not here

Rant over, cant wait to get back home and go for a long ride

Stay safe xxxx

[slowpoke]

All the war stories from folks on here of forging a comfy life from nowt but string and used baked bean tins doesn't detract from the circumstances over there. For example, in Tottenham there are basically 40 unemployed people for every 1 advertised job. We're talking working age young people who have never seen their parents with a job, let alone had one themselves. More than 50% of the dwellings are flats (housing estates) etc etc. So basically you jam them in as tight as you can, give them little chance of earning anything more than a subsistence wage, give them nothing to do and nowhere to do it, in one of the most expensive cities in the world, then add a heavy police presence to clamp down on the inevitable trouble ( a black kid is 7 times more likely to be stopped/searched than a white kid). Throw in cuts to welfare and jobs programs while the wealthy are getting wealthier and that sounds like a recipe for disaster to me

And I can't get over some of the minutae folks get hung up on: So they've got a Blackberry. Here we are in the 21st century, in one of the most advanced cities and socities of the world and access to telecommunications is considered unbridled luxury. Have you tried getting a Telecom account recently? I did it a coupla weeks ago, swapping over from expensive pre-pay to cheaper post-pay on a Mobile T-Stick.....fuck me, what a pain in the klacker "Do you have a fixed address?", "Are you employed?", "How long have you been employed?" "That should be fine sir, and effective next week (with the unsaid: while we check your credit rating)" lurking in the background. So good luck trying to get such a basic amenity if you're coming from a multi-generational unememployed family.

And Yoorup is not NZ, they don't have the sky high telecommunications costs that we do. Phones are cheap, and with the "Blackberry Network" plans worth pennies provide talk-time/texts/data we can only dream of. So despite your pre-conceived cushy NZ experience a Blackberry does not equal wealth, it is the only way to access a basic service for many of those people, and it doesn't cost the earth.

I'm buggered if I know how people can actually be suprised by what has happened, as the indicators have been screaming trouble is coming, if not already here, for years, if not decades. From a year ago: http://www.haringeyindependent.co.uk/news/topstories/8272221.Tottenham_s_job_crisis_could_create__lost_ generation_/

From 20 years ago: http://www.haringey.gov.uk/lip_chapter_1_socio-economic_context.pdf

And a history of rioting in Tottenham going back 30 years: http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/aug/07/tottenham-history-rioting?intcmp=239

And now we have Cameron (and half the people on here) spruiking that all is well in his fair country, the kids just need a smack. Good luck with that: it didn't work for Thatcher, or the 30 years of politicians since, and it isn't going to fix anything now.

[Brian d marge]

All the war stories from folks on here of forging a comfy life from nowt but string and used baked bean tins doesn't detract from the circumstances over there. For example, in Tottenham there are basically 40 unemployed people for every 1 advertised job. We're talking working age young people who have never seen their parents with a job, let alone had one themselves. More than 50% of the dwellings are flats (housing estates) etc etc. So basically you jam them in as tight as you can, give them little chance of earning anything more than a subsistence wage, give them nothing to do and nowhere to do it, in one of the most expensive cities in the world, then add a heavy police presence to clamp down on the inevitable trouble ( a black kid is 7 times more likely to be stopped/searched than a white kid). Throw in cuts to welfare and jobs programs while the wealthy are getting wealthier and that sounds like a recipe for disaster to me

And I can't get over some of the minutae folks get hung up on: So they've got a Blackberry. Here we are in the 21st century, in one of the most advanced cities and socities of the world and access to telecommunications is considered unbridled luxury. Have you tried getting a Telecom account recently? I did it a coupla weeks ago, swapping over from expensive pre-pay to cheaper post-pay on a Mobile T-Stick.....fuck me, what a pain in the klacker "Do you have a fixed address?", "Are you employed?", "How long have you been employed?" "That should be fine sir, and effective next week (with the unsaid: while we check your credit rating)" lurking in the background. So good luck trying to get such a basic amenity if you're coming from a multi-generational unememployed family.

And Yoorup is not NZ, they don't have the sky high telecommunications costs that we do. Phones are cheap, and with the "Blackberry Network" plans worth pennies provide talk-time/texts/data we can only dream of. So despite your pre-conceived cushy NZ experience a Blackberry does not equal wealth, it is the only way to access a basic service for many of those people, and it doesn't cost the earth.

I'm buggered if I know how people can actually be suprised by what has happened, as the indicators have been screaming trouble is coming, if not already here, for years, if not decades. From a year ago: http://www.haringeyindependent.co.uk/news/topstories/8272221.Tottenham_s_job_crisis_could_create__lost_ generation_/

From 20 years ago: http://www.haringey.gov.uk/lip_chapter_1_socio-economic_context.pdf

And a history of rioting in Tottenham going back 30 years: http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/aug/07/tottenham-history-rioting?intcmp=239

And now we have Cameron (and half the people on here) spruiking that all is well in his fair country, the kids just need a smack. Good luck with that: it didn't work for Thatcher, or the 30 years of politicians since, and it isn't going to fix anything now.

Mate lived and squatted in Stokie and Camden ..for how many years , I was the brown door specialist ,....I'm glad SOMEONE posted something of sense .

Couldnt get out of the place fast enough, Fk me I was a a few kilometers from st Marys Axe ..1.5 ish odd and that didn't even get me out of bed ,,,

Fk em burn the whole shitting place down , ONE DAY SOMEONE will REALIZE IT IS HAPPENING in a TOWN NEAR YOU

and one of the reasons ' '(which a few retards haven't cotton onto , still thinking that the New right will do em proud ,,,and business is the only way forward .......:no:) that I rail so much against American economics

THIS IS THE RESULT .......it ( baaaa) may happen in south Auckland ,,,not holding breath ,,,but the feeling will be the same and the crime will be the same

Say no to big business and the corporates , say NO to lassie faire Say NO to government speak ,,,and go next door with a dozen beers and say HI ,,,,,,,,

it will work trust me

Stephen

the problem will be , with your white protestant males who are to stuck up their own arse to see out side of it .........Ma grandpappy voted for the National socialist and buy gum So shall I ,,,, green , that ain't a party thats a color that is ,........

[jonbuoy]

And they couldn´t have made a peaceful protest like the thousands of Spanish protesters that marched on Madrid because?

[Indiana_Jones]

And they couldn´t have made a peaceful protest like the thousands of Spanish protesters that marched on Madrid because?

Because it wasn't a protest, just mindless yobbos thinking they're hard by throwing a brick through some poor bastards business.

-Indy

[Robert Taylor]

All the war stories from folks on here of forging a comfy life from nowt but string and used baked bean tins doesn't detract from the circumstances over there. For example, in Tottenham there are basically 40 unemployed people for every 1 advertised job. We're talking working age young people who have never seen their parents with a job, let alone had one themselves. More than 50% of the dwellings are flats (housing estates) etc etc. So basically you jam them in as tight as you can, give them little chance of earning anything more than a subsistence wage, give them nothing to do and nowhere to do it, in one of the most expensive cities in the world, then add a heavy police presence to clamp down on the inevitable trouble ( a black kid is 7 times more likely to be stopped/searched than a white kid). Throw in cuts to welfare and jobs programs while the wealthy are getting wealthier and that sounds like a recipe for disaster to me

And I can't get over some of the minutae folks get hung up on: So they've got a Blackberry. Here we are in the 21st century, in one of the most advanced cities and socities of the world and access to telecommunications is considered unbridled luxury. Have you tried getting a Telecom account recently? I did it a coupla weeks ago, swapping over from expensive pre-pay to cheaper post-pay on a Mobile T-Stick.....fuck me, what a pain in the klacker "Do you have a fixed address?", "Are you employed?", "How long have you been employed?" "That should be fine sir, and effective next week (with the unsaid: while we check your credit rating)" lurking in the background. So good luck trying to get such a basic amenity if you're coming from a multi-generational unememployed family.

And Yoorup is not NZ, they don't have the sky high telecommunications costs that we do. Phones are cheap, and with the "Blackberry Network" plans worth pennies provide talk-time/texts/data we can only dream of. So despite your pre-conceived cushy NZ experience a Blackberry does not equal wealth, it is the only way to access a basic service for many of those people, and it doesn't cost the earth.

I'm buggered if I know how people can actually be suprised by what has happened, as the indicators have been screaming trouble is coming, if not already here, for years, if not decades. From a year ago: http://www.haringeyindependent.co.uk/news/topstories/8272221.Tottenham_s_job_crisis_could_create__lost_ generation_/

From 20 years ago: http://www.haringey.gov.uk/lip_chapter_1_socio-economic_context.pdf

And a history of rioting in Tottenham going back 30 years: http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/aug/07/tottenham-history-rioting?intcmp=239

And now we have Cameron (and half the people on here) spruiking that all is well in his fair country, the kids just need a smack. Good luck with that: it didn't work for Thatcher, or the 30 years of politicians since, and it isn't going to fix anything now.

I dont envy David Camerons job for one second as he has inherited a practically unfixable basket case. What I always remember is turning up in the UK in the winter of 81, 3 and a half million unemployed and dear old Maggie grappling to drag the country back on its feet after a disastrous Labour administration and unions holding the Governments of the day to ransom. In many respects she succeeded, only for it all to be squandered by Tony Blair and above all that idiot Gordon Brown.
After arriving I was able to get a job straightaway which I then held down for the next 4 years. Sure I had skills but also I was prepared to work and work very hard. I think most societies reward hard work? To be brutal most of the poms that I worked with were useless,very adept at moaning and with no more aspiration than collecting their weekly wage and going to the pub. Maybe most of the good ones have left?
I do have some empathy with what you say Slowpoke as I have seen a lot of what you describe firsthand, but its not only about Governments.
Having said that if I lived and worked in the UK Id have no hesitation in voting for David Cameron and hopefully next election they will elect a Tory Government that wont need those wet Liberals.

[scumdog]

Couldnt get out of the place fast enough,
.

Sorta what I thought about this rioting rabble - if they're that hard done-by and so poor why the fuck do they stay there??:wacko::scratch:


Do they like being down-trodden and poor or something?:confused:

I mean, if life in a place sucks that much what are you doing there...

[BMWST?]

Sorta what I thought about this rioting rabble - if they're that hard done-by and so poor why the fuck do they stay there??:wacko::scratch:


Do they like being down-trodden and poor or something?:confused:

I mean, if life in a place sucks that much what are you doing there...

where do they go,and how do they get there.This is another symptom of the real problem.There are too many of us living on this planet,and too few have the real share of the wealth.Since the beginning of the industrial age a few have controlled and needed the majority.Now that mass production is come of age we just dont need the huge labour forces we used to need.I dont know the answers but this situation has been brewing for 50 years.

[scumdog]

There are too many of us living on this planet,and too few have the real share of the wealth.

Summed up to a T.:yes:

And sadly those who can least afford to breed the most...

[Oblivion]

Summed up to a T.:yes:

And sadly those who can least afford to breed the most...

Exactly why China has enforced the one child policy. Now the country that is breeding the most is India. And apparently they are offering something like 2000 Rupees to every man who gets "fixed"

[blue rider]

There are too many of us living on this planet,and too few have the real share of the wealth.Since the beginning of the industrial age a few have controlled and needed the majority.Now that mass production is come of age we just dont need the huge labour forces we used to need.I dont know the answers but this situation has been brewing for 50 years.

why it answers is

Soylent Green


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVpN312hYgU

[slowpoke]

And they couldn´t have made a peaceful protest like the thousands of Spanish protesters that marched on Madrid because?

It started out as a peaceful protest. But unlike the Spainish the Poms don't go for a wee lie down after lunch. Nor do they have hot chicks to chase.


Because it wasn't a protest, just mindless yobbos thinking they're hard by throwing a brick through some poor bastards business.

-Indy

You need to do a bit more reading Indy, but somehow I don't think you will. It started as a protest against policing in the area and morphed into something else. Respect for the law is tough when you see the law as being blatantly unjust (rightly or wrongly). Once you lose respect for the police, and then overwhelm them, it's only a matter of time before a few "have nots" decide to be "haves". That "poor bastard", with what we see as a crappy wee business is probably seen as wealthy in those communities, hence the "gimme some of what he's got".

You can jump in with blinkers and boots if ya want but it won't fix anything. But then many folks don't give a shit about actually fixing the problem(s), as long as they can't actually see it everything is just fine.


I dont envy David Camerons job for one second as he has inherited a practically unfixable basket case. What I always remember is turning up in the UK in the winter of 81, 3 and a half million unemployed and dear old Maggie grappling to drag the country back on its feet after a disastrous Labour administration and unions holding the Governments of the day to ransom. In many respects she succeeded, only for it all to be squandered by Tony Blair and above all that idiot Gordon Brown.
After arriving I was able to get a job straightaway which I then held down for the next 4 years. Sure I had skills but also I was prepared to work and work very hard. I think most societies reward hard work? To be brutal most of the poms that I worked with were useless,very adept at moaning and with no more aspiration than collecting their weekly wage and going to the pub. Maybe most of the good ones have left?
I do have some empathy with what you say Slowpoke as I have seen a lot of what you describe firsthand, but its not only about Governments.
Having said that if I lived and worked in the UK Id have no hesitation in voting for David Cameron and hopefully next election they will elect a Tory Government that wont need those wet Liberals.

Don't forget your dashing good looks Robert! And what employer in their right mind could reisist those puppy dog eyes?

You are absolutely right, in that there are options available. My argument is that the culture of "hopeless and useless" is very firmly entrenched in the rioting communities and it's very difficult for them to see let alone grasp them.

As an example: when I first came back to NZ and settled in Martinborough which as a pretty lil' wine village was humming along quite nicely 5-6years ago, I had quite an interesting chat with my local GP. He'd just come back from Africa, and I remarked how different it must be in Marty. He suprised me by saying "yes and no". Apparently he treated similar diabetes/obesity/STD's and many other lower socio economic health issues here as he treated in his struggling African community. How could that be in developed NZ? His response was that "it's how you are raised, it's what you are taught". IE: You're hungry, you get some fish and chips. Despite being massively overweight, losing parents at a young age, on permanent medication etc. It doesn't matter: It's what your parents were given as kids, it's what you were given, it'll do your kids too. It's the mindset, it's the programming, it's the automatic response. There are the exceptions but people don't all of a sudden wake up from that culture and say I'm gonna have a salad today, especially when they are still immersed in the culture and ridiculed for attempting to break out of it.

Same goes for unprotected sex/teenage pregancies/STD's: you are the child of young parents, raised in a large or single parent family with no money or just guvvie handouts, what's the problem? Nipping down the doc's to get your weeping dick treated is something everyone has done, they'll probably even tell you what medication worked for them and have a laugh about it on Friday night when you piss half your money up against the wall. What? You're not coming out for a drink? Why not, d'you think you're too good to drink with us? Oh hey, I'm outta cash bro, can I "borrow" $50? And so the cycle continues..........

There are always exceptions, the fringe dwellers who break out of it, just as there are their counterparts at the other end of the bell curve who revel in their underclass status. But by and large the overwhelming proportion just go with the flow and follow their peers.

Which is why the tall poppy syndrome in NZ fuckin' disgusts me. Success is some sort of albatross hung around someones neck, "look at that wanker, I bet he shat on a few people eh?" "look at his car bro, key the fucker, that'll teach him". It's almost seen as a crime to succeed, and little wonder our young kids, boys especially, don't try at school. God forbid you show some work ethic, and a few brains, you'll be ridiculed beyond belief.

I totally agree Cameron is up against it. It's chicken lays egg, egg creates chicken ad infinitum. I just feel the hard decisions aren't being made, the decisions that will change things in the long term (there is no quick fix). Absolutely the criminal behaviour needs to be processed as what it is. But something needs to happen to change these communities, because something is not right and the longer it goes on the harder they are to repair. As you mention it's not solely up to governments to fix this, and my faint hope is that the communities also realise how fucked up they are and try to change from within.

[Winston001]

Interesting thread.

Hmm...so there are two points of view:

Either the rioters are exuberant youth who rob and steal because they think they can get away with it while pretending to "protest"...

Or - there are urban communities in Britain where hopelessness and unemployment is the norm. The riots are an outbreak of frustration and rage.




Why don't they go somewhere and get a job? If life is harsh, seek opportunity. That is exactly how countries like NZ and Oz were settled.

[Brian d marge]

Interesting thread.

Hmm...so there are two points of view:

Either the rioters are exuberant youth who rob and steal because they think they can get away with it while pretending to "protest"...

Or - there are urban communities in Britain where hopelessness and unemployment is the norm. The riots are an outbreak of frustration and rage.




Why don't they go somewhere and get a job? If life is harsh, seek opportunity. That is exactly how countries like NZ and Oz were settled.

bit of both , but u have never lived on these estates

they are pretty bad ...... a world unto their own ......... and you don't want it in NZ

Stephen

[Robert Taylor]

It started out as a peaceful protest. But unlike the Spainish the Poms don't go for a wee lie down after lunch. Nor do they have hot chicks to chase.



You need to do a bit more reading Indy, but somehow I don't think you will. It started as a protest against policing in the area and morphed into something else. Respect for the law is tough when you see the law as being blatantly unjust (rightly or wrongly). Once you lose respect for the police, and then overwhelm them, it's only a matter of time before a few "have nots" decide to be "haves". That "poor bastard", with what we see as a crappy wee business is probably seen as wealthy in those communities, hence the "gimme some of what he's got".

You can jump in with blinkers and boots if ya want but it won't fix anything. But then many folks don't give a shit about actually fixing the problem(s), as long as they can't actually see it everything is just fine.



Don't forget your dashing good looks Robert! And what employer in their right mind could reisist those puppy dog eyes?

You are absolutely right, in that there are options available. My argument is that the culture of "hopeless and useless" is very firmly entrenched in the rioting communities and it's very difficult for them to see let alone grasp them.

As an example: when I first came back to NZ and settled in Martinborough which as a pretty lil' wine village was humming along quite nicely 5-6years ago, I had quite an interesting chat with my local GP. He'd just come back from Africa, and I remarked how different it must be in Marty. He suprised me by saying "yes and no". Apparently he treated similar diabetes/obesity/STD's and many other lower socio economic health issues here as he treated in his struggling African community. How could that be in developed NZ? His response was that "it's how you are raised, it's what you are taught". IE: You're hungry, you get some fish and chips. Despite being massively overweight, losing parents at a young age, on permanent medication etc. It doesn't matter: It's what your parents were given as kids, it's what you were given, it'll do your kids too. It's the mindset, it's the programming, it's the automatic response. There are the exceptions but people don't all of a sudden wake up from that culture and say I'm gonna have a salad today, especially when they are still immersed in the culture and ridiculed for attempting to break out of it.

Same goes for unprotected sex/teenage pregancies/STD's: you are the child of young parents, raised in a large or single parent family with no money or just guvvie handouts, what's the problem? Nipping down the doc's to get your weeping dick treated is something everyone has done, they'll probably even tell you what medication worked for them and have a laugh about it on Friday night when you piss half your money up against the wall. What? You're not coming out for a drink? Why not, d'you think you're too good to drink with us? Oh hey, I'm outta cash bro, can I "borrow" $50? And so the cycle continues..........

There are always exceptions, the fringe dwellers who break out of it, just as there are their counterparts at the other end of the bell curve who revel in their underclass status. But by and large the overwhelming proportion just go with the flow and follow their peers.

Which is why the tall poppy syndrome in NZ fuckin' disgusts me. Success is some sort of albatross hung around someones neck, "look at that wanker, I bet he shat on a few people eh?" "look at his car bro, key the fucker, that'll teach him". It's almost seen as a crime to succeed, and little wonder our young kids, boys especially, don't try at school. God forbid you show some work ethic, and a few brains, you'll be ridiculed beyond belief.

I totally agree Cameron is up against it. It's chicken lays egg, egg creates chicken ad infinitum. I just feel the hard decisions aren't being made, the decisions that will change things in the long term (there is no quick fix). Absolutely the criminal behaviour needs to be processed as what it is. But something needs to happen to change these communities, because something is not right and the longer it goes on the harder they are to repair. As you mention it's not solely up to governments to fix this, and my faint hope is that the communities also realise how fucked up they are and try to change from within.

Yes I think that pretty much sums it up, well said!

[Indiana_Jones]

You need to do a bit more reading Indy, but somehow I don't think you will. It started as a protest against policing in the area and morphed into something else. Respect for the law is tough when you see the law as being blatantly unjust (rightly or wrongly). Once you lose respect for the police, and then overwhelm them, it's only a matter of time before a few "have nots" decide to be "haves". That "poor bastard", with what we see as a crappy wee business is probably seen as wealthy in those communities, hence the "gimme some of what he's got".


I understand it started as a protest, but as with most protestors there's always one or two that wanna have a go with the pigs for larks, they just like a bit of confrontation.

So pretty much you're calling them petty thieves?

And agreed with the zero repect for the law bit, it's true and is in a lot of other western nations and fear it will only get worse.

-Indy

[FJRider]

... there's always one or two that wanna have a go with the pigs for larks, they just like a bit of confrontation.

And agreed with the zero repect for the law bit, it's true and is in a lot of other western nations and fear it will only get worse.

-Indy

Doing things as an individual ... you get noticed quickly ... :Police::Police::Police:

Do things as a group .... you still get noticed ... but more difficult to stop and identify all the offenders ... :mellow:

A bit like a group of speeding motorcyclists ... <_<

[jonbuoy]

They definitely got noticed, the UK was starting to look like a safe haven for outside investors in the euro zone, not any more.

http://www.currencies.co.uk/2011/08/riots-and-gbp-exchange-rates-worsen/

[SPman]

I rather enjoy this guys p.o.v. Arthur Silber - He normally has some decisive comments on things..

"But surely, surely you don't condone the violence in England?" Since I doubt I will ever hear the only sensible response from anyone else, let me offer it myself:

"Whether I condone it or not is fucking irrelevant, you pompous ass." powerofnarrative.blogspot.com/2011/08/your-approval-of-history-is-irrelevant.html (http://powerofnarrative.blogspot.com/2011/08/your-approval-of-history-is-irrelevant.html)


And do I "disapprove of" and "condemn" the violence itself? No, I don't. In this context, I don't know what such condemnation even means. Violence is a completely understandable response, particularly when every other means of amelioration and recourse has been systematically closed off. When you leave people no choice but to engage in violence, they'll engage in violence. You want to condemn someone as responsible? Look in the goddamn mirror, fuckhead.

[Brian d marge]

If you wanted to see pissed of people , the Qu aright through to the Han dynasties in China , ,,, they were some pissed off peasants

Stephen