'Skynet' downloading law comes in to force tonight (August 10)

[rustyrobot]

Just a heads up...

"The Copyright (Infringing File Sharing) Amendment Act comes into force from September 1. But, from tomorrow, breaches started counting towards the three strikes regime - although infringement notices could not be issued until next month."

So if you aren't careful you could have your first fine ready and waiting for you on September 01. :violin:

Anyone sussed out a workable alternative to torrents?

Cue: discussion about morals/ethics of illegal downloading :yawn:

[Usarka]

So does this mean if you have 3 infringements before your first notice that you are out?

Or is it three notices?

[Oakie]

Cue lots of people reducing their now unnecessary broadband allowance? I wonder if the ISPs actually take a hit as a result.

[Oakie]

So does this mean if you have 3 infringements before your first notice that you are out?

Or is it three notices?

3 warnings I think.

[The Everlasting]

Cue lots of people reducing their now unnecessary broadband allowance? I wonder if the ISPs actually take a hit as a result.

Yeah I would say they are going to lose a lot of money in the long run.

[steve_t]

Anyone sussed out a workable alternative to torrents?


http - sites like rapidshare etc

[Ronin]

Meh, the can't monitor 'all' Torrents.

[bogan]

yeh http is the easiest, or private tracker torrents, or VPN to a seed box overseas...

[Oakie]

I have a mate in Telecom. He'll hook me up with a safe way in due course. Not that I'm a big downloader anyway. Two or three a month and more often than not just movies for #1 grandaughter.

[Latte]

alt.binaries if you've got the patience to learn the ropes, and have a decent ISP.

Encrypted Trackers / Torrent Sites and a proxy to hide behind should help with 99% of Torrents - at the end of the day it'll only be the latest stuff Hollywood are monitoring.

Neighbours Wireless if you're lucky, and you don't like them.

Or bribe the IT Geek at work with beer to bring his USB Drive full of movies/tv in every month or so.

[NighthawkNZ]

http://www.3strikes.net.nz/

https://www.facebook.com/3strikesNZ (https://www.facebook.com/3strikesNZ?sk=wall)

[Grasshopperus]

You can pay ~$10 per month for a VPN account to some Scandinavian country and then do your torrenting through that.

I hope that the first person to get stung by this takes it to the courts and gets a nice precedent set against it.

IP address != a person

[riffer]

Compare the situation to the Adidas fiasco with rugby jerseys.

Imagine this:

Adidas sell jersey in NZ for $220. Jersey is for sale online overseas for $140.

People complain.

Adidas shuts down the access to NZers.

You buy an All Blacks jersey from overseas website, got it sent to a mate in Australia and then mailed to you.

Adidas successfully prosecute you for violating the rules of who can buy what where and how.

Not much different is it?

Remember folks, stealing removes the original. Downloading/copying makes a copy of the original, leaving the original still intact.

This is also very similar to what happened when Gutenberg's printing press first became available and the masses were given access to Bibles. The Church went mental!

[Paul in NZ]

The Church went mental!

Not strictly fair - the 'church' was mental right from the start....

[george formby]

Meh! I own an interweb cafe & have asked a few questions. It would seem that the new laws are pretty unworkable & it's only the likes of Sony, Warner Bros etc who will be trying to monitor downloads. And that will predominantly be new releases.

Software is available to spot these lurkers, you can effectively tell them to eff off online if you use peer to peer sites. I also use an offshore proxy if I'm being nefarious. A spin off from this will be "secure" torrents & sites taking the web back to it's original design purpose, bits of information scattered all over the place.

I rarely download stuff but do stream & watch on telly. Nothing they can do about it. I'm currently watching BBC1, legally..

[Indiana_Jones]

IP blocker?

-Indy

[george formby]

It has also crossed my mind what liability I would have if somebody loaded a virus onto one of my computers which allowed them to download from it remotely. They could in theory control my network & go mental.

[Eyegasm]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet

However in short:

You can securely download files from it (SSL encrypted so no one knows what you’re downloading) also way faster than torrents.

Ok so 1 you have to get an account to search usenet (www.nzbmatrix.com) costs $10 or so covers you for life to SEARCH for the files.

Then you have to get an account for a usenet provider (www.astraweb.com) I buy 180 GB batches for about $25 (all US dollars), that lets me download whatever I find.

Then you get a program like altbinz (http://www.altbinz.net/)

which actually downloads the files.

Boom Done.

I have always said I would be willing to pay for it...
...Just no one ever wanted to take my money!!!

[Indiana_Jones]

Why do the movie and music industry think they're losing sales due to downloads?

It couldn't be due to the fact they make pretty much utter crap these days....:facepalm:

I'd pay $15 to see a good movie at the flicks or pay $20 for a album if it was what I wanted.

What happens if I invited my makes around to listen to 'War of the worlds', will Jeff Wayne come after me for loss of profits?

-Indy

[Eyegasm]

What happens if I invited my makes around to listen to 'War of the worlds', will Jeff Wayne come after me for loss of profits?

-Indy

Can I bring a blank disc and make a copy?
you wont lose your original!!!

Only rule I have for downloading is...
"No NZ films or music"

I will pay for these.

90% or more of my downloading is TV shows anyway. Take to long to get to NZ
and some never make it here.

[willytheekid]

LOL...wel thought out this was eh.

http://computerworld.co.nz/news.nsf/news/no-plan-for-parliament-on-how-to-deal-with-copyright-law-greens

:laugh:

[Indiana_Jones]

Only rule I have for downloading is...
"No NZ films or music"


Not worth the net or HD space :lol:

-Indy

[brendonjw]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet

However in short:

You can securely download files from it (SSL encrypted so no one knows what you’re downloading) also way faster than torrents.

Ok so 1 you have to get an account to search usenet (www.nzbmatrix.com) costs $10 or so covers you for life to SEARCH for the files.

Then you have to get an account for a usenet provider (www.astraweb.com) I buy 180 GB batches for about $25 (all US dollars), that lets me download whatever I find.

Then you get a program like altbinz (http://www.altbinz.net/)

which actually downloads the files.

Boom Done.

I have always said I would be willing to pay for it...
...Just no one ever wanted to take my money!!!

Is Astraweb normally pretty uptodate with english and US TV programs? these are all i really want as there so much stuff that never makes it to NZ. I have heard that easynews.com is also a good place but i like the sound of buying the 180gb without having a monthly renewal

[avgas]

How are they going to know?

I currently do work which does gigs of data over different ports. Likewise whenever I bittorrent I always tick "randomize port selection on startup".
How will they tell the difference from my work to a bittorrent????

They would have to sit there an wireshark my whole connection to figure out what is going on. Even if they did that they have no idea on whether the bittorrent was illegitimate or not. As torrent servers have legit stuff too.

Whole thing is a bit silly really. I await to see it not get enforced.

[imdying]

How are they going to know?Packet inspection?


I currently do work which does gigs of data over different ports. Likewise whenever I bittorrent I always tick "randomize port selection on startup".
How will they tell the difference from my work to a bittorrent????The data for your work isn't carried in bittorrent protocol packets?


Even if they did that they have no idea on whether the bittorrent was illegitimate or not.They don't have to do anything, we've written them software to do this for them.


I await to see it not get enforced.Here's hoping :)

[avgas]

Packet inspection?

The data for your work isn't carried in bittorrent protocol packets?

They don't have to do anything, we've written them software to do this for them.

Here's hoping :)
At 1000 packets a second to 4 million people.

Its computer suicide.

I currently kill a wireshark capture PC every 3 months. At thats only reading information on a 1.1mbs link.

I am guessing at best they will do "random sampling". If that.

Actually I am not setting heights high. It took me a week to figure out that internet.telecom.com apn was never going to work with dyndns. Telecom still don't know this.
(fyi use direct.telecom.com as it bypasses telecom's own firewall. Vodafone no need to worry almost any connection using the typical #99* will work).

So yeah first letter you receive from your ISP ask one simple question:

Prove it!

[steve_t]

What we need is for all the computer geeks to increase torrent traffic three-fold for a few months but do it all with legit, legal stuff :shifty:

[Scuba_Steve]

What we need is for all the computer geeks to increase torrent traffic three-fold for a few months but do it all with legit, legal stuff :shifty:

my understanding is they're just looking at NZ IP's off specific torrents they're not actually monitoring ISP traffic per say

[bogan]

my understanding is they're just looking at NZ IP's off specific torrents they're not actually monitoring ISP traffic per say

Yeh that's what I thought, simple and effective.

[imdying]

At 1000 packets a second to 4 million people.

Its computer suicide.Not computer suicide, it's embedded, doesn't run on PCs, runs on CPU specifically designed for the purpose, much like a managed switch.

[Ronin]

Yeh that's what I thought, simple and effective.

yup. Used to be on limewire that some of the files were even seeded by them.

[davereid]

Sharing with http://www.oneswarm.org/about.html and similar peer to peer applications will become the norm I think.