Rossi the moaner!

[cowpoos]

Its definatly Rossi the moaner


[I]I spoke briefly to Stoner's crew chief Cristian Gabbarini today, Honda allowing him to explain to me what Stoner meant by "loading the front". That clarified in part how Ducati got itself into this mess, Stoner's absolute faith in the front Bridgestone tire and his ability to put pressure on the front - mainly through heavy braking into the corner, trail braking and then carrying more corner speed - allowing him to heat the tire correctly and get the most out of it. With Stoner on the bike, the lack of feel was never a huge problem, but the difference has now clearly been revealed to be in the rider, not in the bike.

[merv]

All points to Wingnut on that one huh :laugh:.

[Devil]

Is that why ALL of the Ducati's are at the back of the field?

[merv]

Yep all their riders are not as good as the Aussie.

[cowpoos]

Yep all their riders are not as good as the Aussie.

You 100% correct!!

[tigertim20]

Its definatly Rossi the moaner [im sure his fanboys will be along soon to vilify me]

Each rider has their style, it certainly seems to be the case that stoner could ride the duke well, but as mentioned already, that doesnt explain why none of the dukes are doing well now.

Blamingit on the rider is a pretty questionable call, considering the total gp wins the guy has.

Really youll only answer the question by putting both guys on the same bike, a bike neither of them have ridden before, on a track neither of them have been to before. That would be interesting.

and you cant tell me the duck has the exact same setup as it did when stoner won on it, those things get changed out every single day

[gixerracer]

Each rider has their style, it certainly seems to be the case that stoner could ride the duke well, but as mentioned already, that doesnt explain why none of the dukes are doing well now.

Blamingit on the rider is a pretty questionable call, considering the total gp wins the guy has.

Really youll only answer the question by putting both guys on the same bike, a bike neither of them have ridden before, on a track neither of them have been to before. That would be interesting.

and you cant tell me the duck has the exact same setup as it did when stoner won on it, those things get changed out every single day

Do you not remember when Stoner first rode the 800cc Honde after last years last Gp He was fast enough that he would have won the race.
He is the most talented guy out there at the mo:Police:

[cowpoos]

those things get changed out every single day

errr....I bet they tryed his setup....Burgress his engineer/crew chief said he'ld fix it in 80 seconds!!

[Mom]

[im sure his fanboys will be along soon to vilify me]

You talk absolute and utter, total shit! He has yummy eyes :shit:

[crazy man]

Do you not remember when Stoner first rode the 800cc Honde after last years last Gp He was fast enough that he would have won the race.
He is the most talented guy out there at the mo:Police:and crashed in every sec race

[tigertim20]

errr....I bet they tryed his setup....Burgress his engineer/crew chief said he'ld fix it in 80 seconds!!

Wasnt stoner onthe duck for four years? 07 08 09 and 2010? and only won the title once out of four years? his win on the duck was 2007, so the duck has not been a championship winning package since 2007. hardly the fault of a rider new to the bike
That rossi isnt going to win in his first year on it doesnt really mean a lot.

[cowpoos]

Wasnt stoner onthe duck for four years? 07 08 09 and 2010? and only won the title once out of four years? his win on the duck was 2007, so the duck has not been a championship winning package since 2007. hardly the fault of a rider new to the bike
That rossi isnt going to win in his first year on it doesnt really mean a lot.

short memorie....stoner is one to the most winning iders ever....most on that red bike...all years...poles and wins all over the place...rossi can't even get close...if hes the most talented rider...why can't he win on it??? because he ain't riding it hard/fast enough!!

[puddytat]

I thought that Rossi had made quite a lot of progress on the Ducrappy after watching the race last night, seemingly atleast being able to stay sort of with Spies,Lorenzo for most of the race. Dont think theres much hope of a win this year though.

[Brian d marge]

been discussed before , that bike is a pile of doo doo , the feedback from that chassis must be awfull if he wins ANYTHING ,,,hes good , and that just shows how big stoners balls were/are!"

Stephen

[onearmedbandit]

When you're at the top all the arrows are slung at you.

Must be a right cunt being Rossi, what with being used to winning year after year and putting up with people saying 'ah it's the bike', then all of a sudden when you struggle a bit and don't have a chance of winning, it becomes 'ah it's the rider'.

[Crasherfromwayback]

, that doesnt explain why none of the dukes are doing well now.

Blamingit on the rider is a pretty questionable call, considering the total gp wins the guy has.

Really youll only answer the question by putting both guys on the same bike, a bike neither of them have ridden before, on a track neither of them have been to before. That would be interesting.


Firstly...it kinda does. No single rider has been able to be agressive enough from the outlap as Stoner was...to get enough heat into the tyres on the Ducati to make it work. Obviosly takes a huge amount of skill AND balls to do so with the beast. One ingredient is maybe missing.

Next. Total GP wins? You mean like who has the most between Rossi and Stoner since Stoner finally got a factory bike? Easy. Stoner hands down.

Next. Putting both on a bike neither of them has ridden before to see who goes best? Like at Valencia end of last season? Where Rossi got on a bike Soner had been winning on...and Stoner got on the Honda that'd won fuck all...and Stoner first time out wasted everyone...and Rossi was nearly last? Not the same bikes I know...but same for both of them if you follow.

Next. Oh yeah...there is no more next.


Do you not remember when Stoner first rode the 800cc Honde after last years last Gp He was fast enough that he would have won the race.
He is the most talented guy out there at the mo:Police:

They're blind mate.


and crashed in every sec race

Wouldn't have the best race/win ratio of the 800cc era if you were correct. But you're obviously not. Stick to train spotting.


Wasnt stoner onthe duck for four years? 07 08 09 and 2010? and only won the title once out of four years? his win on the duck was 2007, so the duck has not been a championship winning package since 2007. hardly the fault of a rider new to the bike
That rossi isnt going to win in his first year on it doesnt really mean a lot.

So how many times has Honda won the championship in the 800cc era? Oh...NEVER? Yet Stoner in his first year on it is going to? Like he did FIRST time on the Ducati? Yet Rossi can't be expected to win first time out? Odd reasoning you have.


When you're at the top all the arrows are slung at you.

Must be a right cunt being Rossi, what with being used to winning year after year and putting up with people saying 'ah it's the bike', then all of a sudden when you struggle a bit and don't have a chance of winning, it becomes 'ah it's the rider'.

You mean like when Stoner won in '07' it was because the Duke was so much faster? And now that he's kicking arse on the Honda it's the same old story? Even though he hasn't been the only guy riding each of those bikes?

Yep...tough at the top.

I take a heap of flack for being such a Stoner fan...mostly by Rossi fans. But it's odd when you stack up the stats since Stoner got factory support that I'm so full of shit.:shifty:

[onearmedbandit]

You mean like when Stoner won in '07' it was because the Duke was so much faster? And now that he's kicking arse on the Honda it's the same old story? Even though he hasn't been the only guy riding each of those bikes?

Yep...tough at the top.
:

Yes, because the other Ducati's were at the pointy end of the grid too. Oh no, that's right, they weren't. Stoner was the only rider capable of making that thing work, most people (myself included) acknowledge that. But no one else has the same level of success on it, Rossi included. Is Stoner therefore a better rider than Rossi? On the Ducati, yes. On every other bike, who knows. Lets see how many World Championships he wins. I've got a feeling there is a few to come.

Any rider on the MotoGP grid is a riding god, period. No one on this forum currently could hope to match them. Anyone who can win a MotoGP race is something else again. String enough together with some consistency (or just consistent results) and you'll take a championship, elevating you to an even higher level. 7 championships at the premier level, to me at least, elevates you to a position where your ability is beyond doubt. But every star soon fades away.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Yes, because the other Ducati's were at the pointy end of the grid too. Oh no, that's right, they weren't. Stoner was the only rider capable of making that thing work, most people (myself included) acknowledge that. But no one else has the same level of success on it, Rossi included. Is Stoner therefore a better rider than Rossi? On the Ducati, yes. On every other bike, who knows. Lets see how many World Championships he wins. I've got a feeling there is a few to come.

Any rider on the MotoGP grid is a riding god, period. No one on this forum currently could hope to match them. Anyone who can win a MotoGP race is something else again. String enough together with some consistency (or just consistent results) and you'll take a championship, elevating you to an even higher level. 7 championships at the premier level, to me at least, elevates you to a position where your ability is beyond doubt. But every star soon fades away.

You're a smart man. They're all 'Gods' alright...no matter where they finish. Maybe it's the Poms on this site that hate Stoner? Cause as an Aussie...he's the closest thing we have to a champ. It is after all, the rude cunting POMS that boo him at pre race speaches...and when he's on the rostrum after winning races. Something no POM has done since the late Barry Sheene. Must irk them badly. Hell...even little old NZ has had a GP winner since the POMS.

Rossi's 7 premier titles is a statement on it's own. I don't really rate smaller titles...as as awesome as it is...it's still not the cream of the cream. Think Biaggi, Capirossi, Harada. Awesome on lil bikes...never made the transition to the big boys on a regular basis.

Doohan won five in a row. Maybe would've won at least 7 if you add in the one he was winning by a mile before he fucked himself and nearly lost a leg, and the one he was winning when he ended his lot at Jerez.

How many would Rainey have won had he not ended up in a chair?

Ago and Hailwood have more titles if you want to go by numbers. But we all know numbers don't tell the whole story.

Facts are a lil like numbers. And it's a fact that Rossi was born into GP racing and has always (like Ago and Hailwood) had THE best equipment from the time he started out in GP racing.

You'll never be able to say the same about Stoner. Instead of his parents having all the money in the world to throw at their kid...they sold everything they'd ever owned to get him where he is.

That to me makes Stoner and his family the ultimate lil Aussie battlers...and one that is typical of the anzac spirit.

I'd far rather see some tough lil come from the rough dirt tracks of back yard Australia win, than some born with a silver spoon in his mouth spoilt boy (who by the way...has cried and bitched more than the tough lil Aussie battler).

Go Stoner.

[onearmedbandit]

Good points Pete. I never knew Rossi came from wealth, I've read his autobiography and I don't recall him referring to it there. Mind you, you probably wouldn't. What Rossi did have in his favour was his fathers connections, no denying that.

I agree, Doohan could've gone on to win more championships, so could've Rainey. And what Ago's got like 17 championships to his name? But I never said Rossi was the best of all time.

[codgyoleracer]

Many of us here have been to GP's and those that comprehend all thats involved in getting too and competing at that level and fully understanding that even the person at the back getting lapped is still stinkin fast. We can only but dream to even be in that position.
But such is life only a selected few have the T A L E N T. ;-)

My TAB money still isnt lost on Lorenzo, but its lookin a little shakey......:no:

[slowpoke]

Many of us here have been to GP's and those that comprehend all thats involved in getting too and competing at that level and fully understanding that even the person at the back getting lapped is still stinkin fast. We can only but dream to even be in that position.
But such is life only a selected few have the T A L E N T. ;-)


Too true! Is it wrong to wish I was a really really bad MotoGP rider?

[Crasherfromwayback]

Good points Pete. I never knew Rossi came from wealth, . What Rossi did have in his favour was his fathers connections, no denying that.
.

Not wealth as such...not like Hailwood anyway. But as you say..his old man would've opened a shitload of doors for him. Still...they would've shut pretty quick if he wasn't as good as he is!!!


Many of us here have been to GP's and those that comprehend all thats involved in getting too and competing at that level and fully understanding that even the person at the back getting lapped is still stinkin fast. We can only but dream to even be in that position.
But such is life only a selected few have the T A L E N T. ;-)

My TAB money still isnt lost on Lorenzo, but its lookin a little shakey......:no:

Too true mate.

I wouldn't be putting any more on him though...I think it's Stoner's to lose now.

[SimJen]

there are many issues at play here.
1. The tyres this year are different, the stiffer sidewalls have changed setup considerably. There are a few more types available as at the last race that might have helped, but they are still an issue compared to previous years.
2. This years chassis is too stiff, there's a thread here about the issues with the current setup.

See this thread for some good info: http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/140837-What-s-wrong-with-Ducati-MotoGP-bike

Ducati will turn it around i'm sure, they have one of the all time greatest riders along with the best Crew chief in Motogp. As long as the money keeps coming from Ducati!

[onearmedbandit]

Ducati will turn it around i'm sure, they have one of the all time greatest riders along with the best Crew chief in Motogp. As long as the money keeps coming from Ducati!

I sure hope so, would be great to see Rossi/Burgess/Ducati put it together.

[Crasherfromwayback]

I sure hope so, would be great to see Rossi/Burgess/Ducati put it together.

I reckon! I hope they get it sorted in time for Phillip Island, as Stoner and Rossi have had some awesome races there.

[Brian d marge]

the feedback from that chassis is mighty interesting.. seven (odd) different springs, with seven energy losses...
what u want is the throttle connected to the contact patch (s) ....plus the layout of the engine, high centres of rotations...
it can be made to work but there would have to be some changes..
I think the combo of JB and Rossi and more importantly the crew. can make it work ...if the factory is willing,
I hope it happens ....
Stephen

[Kornholio]

Doohan won five in a row. Maybe would've won at least 7 if you add in the one he was winning by a mile before he fucked himself and nearly lost a leg, and the one he was winning when he ended his lot at Jerez.

How many would Rainey have won had he not ended up in a chair?



That's racing :|

[Crasherfromwayback]

That's racing :|

Sure is. And having broken plenty of bones and nearly losing a foot doing it I know only too well how it goes.

[codgyoleracer]

Sure is. And having broken plenty of bones and nearly losing a foot doing it I know only too well how it goes.

I didnt know racing made you shrink in height as well ?

[Crasherfromwayback]

I didnt know racing made you shrink in height as well ?

Well when I mashed my ankle it shortened it by 5mm if that counts!

[cowpoos]

My TAB money still isnt lost on Lorenzo, but its lookin a little shakey......:no:

TAB running odds this year?? I havn't been able to find them??

link please :)

[NZsarge]

Yes, because the other Ducati's were at the pointy end of the grid too. Oh no, that's right, they weren't. Stoner was the only rider capable of making that thing work, most people (myself included) acknowledge that. But no one else has the same level of success on it, Rossi included. Is Stoner therefore a better rider than Rossi? On the Ducati, yes. On every other bike, who knows. Lets see how many World Championships he wins. I've got a feeling there is a few to come.

Any rider on the MotoGP grid is a riding god, period. No one on this forum currently could hope to match them. Anyone who can win a MotoGP race is something else again. String enough together with some consistency (or just consistent results) and you'll take a championship, elevating you to an even higher level. 7 championships at the premier level, to me at least, elevates you to a position where your ability is beyond doubt. But every star soon fades away.
Finally someone who can look at this for what it is (and express it properly) Nice! Although I don't think Rossi's light has petered out just yet...



his old man would've opened a shitload of doors for him. Still...they would've shut pretty quick if he wasn't as good as he is!!!

Exactly, if he wasn't as good as he is he wouldn't have got very far at all.

I think it's Stoner's to lose now.

Yeah it's his to lose for sure...

[Crasherfromwayback]

Yeah it's his to lose for sure...

Still, I doubt Lorenzo is gonna lie down and make life easy for him. I just hope that next year, going back to the thous, it brings Rossi back to the front, with Hayden and others too. Fingers crossed.

[NZsarge]

Still, I doubt Lorenzo is gonna lie down and make life easy for him. I just hope that next year, going back to the thous, it brings Rossi back to the front, with Hayden and others too. Fingers crossed.

Yeah i'm looking forward to the thou's too. Judging (in my armchair capacity) by the looks of the GP11.1 i'm not too sure if the GP12 will be as competitive (chassis wise anyway) as Rossi and Hayden would like it to be. I also think Yamaha should also nick back those engineers that Honda pinched off them last year, the Honda suspiciously got more competitive a wee while after they arrived there..
Meh, I guess we'll have to wait until the flag drops on the first race next season to see how that pans out, I too would like to see all the bikes more evenly competitive but not to the point of going all Moto 2 on it!

[Crasherfromwayback]

I think with all the extra power and torque they'll have..they'll ride them differently. Might be a bit of an issue for Lorenzo at first? But he's that fucken good...probably not!

[FROSTY]

hey guys whats happening with the lap times? al the stories about fast or slow could just be that the duck hasn't got faster where the other bikes have

[Shaun]

hey guys whats happening with the lap times? al the stories about fast or slow could just be that the duck hasn't got faster where the other bikes have


Pete will be along to correct you factualy soon

[Metastable]

Now honestly, Stoner can be a bit of a whiny little B!atch. However I do love it when he wins and rubs Dorna's golden children the wrong way. :D

BTW IMO (which isn't really important) Capirossi never won that 250 title....Harada did. They talk about Simoncelli (sp?) needing penalties.... Capirossi used Harada as a barrier to stay on the track, on the last lap or the last race. Plus not to mention that he took out 1/2 the field at Motegi the year after Hopkins did the same thing on the same corner of the same lap and Hopper was suspended for a race and Capirossi .... he got nothing.

Dora Golden Boys:
- Capirossi
- Pedro
- Lorenzo
- Rossi

Although they can all ride the tits off a bike and I have nothing personal against any of them.... I like to see some non-euros kick their ass. BTW, I do like Rossi as a rider, but if he doesn't show up at Motegi.... he'll be pussy #1..... ok maybe #2 behind Pedrassimo... you know that little Honda robot. :D

[Metastable]

hey guys whats happening with the lap times? al the stories about fast or slow could just be that the duck hasn't got faster where the other bikes have

I can't remember where I read it, but there was some article saying Hayden was WAY slower this year than he was last year at Laguna (full race time) .... mind you it looked like Rossi was holding Hayden up the entire race. :D

[merv]

Well if it wasn't for your moaner knocking Casey off early in the year the points would be even more in his favour.

Casey has less to moan about too now that he is being looked after by the "World's Greatest Engine Maker" http://superbikeplanet.com/2011/Aug/110817engines.htm

[onearmedbandit]

BTW, I do like Rossi as a rider, but if he doesn't show up at Montegi.... he'll be pussy #1..... ok maybe #2 behind Pedrassimo... you know that little Honda robot. :D

Huh? I thought it was Stoner and Lorenzo pushing for the race in Japan to be canned. I read that all the riders agreed formally, but nothing about Rossi pushing for it. Happy to be proved wrong however.

[rachprice]

Huh? I thought it was Stoner and Lorenzo pushing for the race in Japan to be canned. I read that all the riders agreed formally, but nothing about Rossi pushing for it. Happy to be proved wrong however.

Nah he isn't keen
http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2011/Aug/110815c.htm

[onearmedbandit]

Nah he isn't keen
http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2011/Aug/110815c.htm

Well that's pretty silly of him.

[FROSTY]

WOA THERE YOU LOT.-- how many of you know EXACTLY where the track in Japan is located?
Fukashuma presents a real and ever present danger.Ignoring the simple risk from a bloody big explosion.
Actually I'll rephrase that.-- How many of you WOULD go spend a week or more in the shadow of Chernoble before it was capped off?

[Crasherfromwayback]

Pete will be along to correct you factualy soon

Nah...I generally only correct/abuse people when they're talking utter shit.


Well that's pretty silly of him.

Here's a thought. Whilst I reckon they should go and race there...what if they got a 6.8 tremor like they did on Fri while the race was on? Could make turn one look like Moto 2!!!

[Shaun]

[QUOTE=Crasherfromwayback;1130135121]Nah...I generally only correct/abuse people when they're talking utter shit.



Nah man, the facts in this matter are interesting

[Crasherfromwayback]

Nah man, the facts in this matter are interesting

Couldn't agree more. I think it's every persons right to choose whether they go there or not. But I can't see HRC being too happy if Stoner doesn't want to go with the championship being so close!

[Shaun]

Couldn't agree more. I think it's every persons right to choose whether they go there or not. But I can't see HRC being too happy if Stoner doesn't want to go with the championship being so close!



HRC would feed him to the DINGO,s if he did not go, Rossi is the only one that will get away with not fronting up to it

[Crasherfromwayback]

HRC would feed him to the DINGO,s if he did not go, Rossi is the only one that will get away with not fronting up to it

I wonder if Pedrosa will still be HRC's golden boy if he keeps taking points of Stoner. Do ya think they'll try and get him to help Stoner?

[Shaun]

I wonder if Pedrosa will still be HRC's golden boy if he keeps taking points of Stoner. Do ya think they'll try and get him to help Stoner?



After his last crash YES MATE, they have spent to much not too

[Crasherfromwayback]

After his last crash YES MATE, they have spent to much not too

Can't see Pedrosa's manager being too happy about it!

[Shaun]

Can't see Pedrosa's manager being too happy about it!


now that would be a VIDEO I would Pay to watch hahahaha

[Crasherfromwayback]

now that would be a VIDEO I would Pay to watch hahahaha

Yeah. Everything I've read about him (and we all know you can only believe a tad of what ya read) would lead me to think he's a total TWAT.

[Badjelly]

Fukashuma presents a real and ever present danger. Ignoring the simple risk from a bloody big explosion. Actually I'll rephrase that.-- How many of you WOULD go spend a week or more in the shadow of Chernobyl before it was capped off?

Not me, but I'll happily go spend the GP weekend at Motegi this year if anyone wishes to make a significant contribution to the costs. Why thank you, Mr Frosty.

I don't think Stoner was ever a leader in the no-go camp. He got asked about it and he answered the question.

Getting off-topic a bit here. What was the topic? Oh, "Rossi a moaner?". Maybe not so far off. He's not a moaner in my opinion, but he likes to get what he wants and in this case what he wants, or wants not to do, is coloured by some bizarre ideas about risk.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Getting off-topic a bit here. What was the topic? Oh, "Rossi a moaner?". Maybe not so far off. He's not a moaner in my opinion, but he likes to get what he wants and in this case what he wants, or wants not to do, is coloured by some bizarre ideas about risk.

Most of them have a grizzle and a moan from time to time...hell, don't we all? But I reckon when you consider what's at stake, on the whole they're all pretty good.

[Metastable]

They'll see more radiation going through the airport security and being on the plane than while they are at the track at Motegi.

[SimJen]

hopefully Rossi will stand by his word and won't go, unlike the Stoner and Paedo backtracking once the factory got word of it!
Rossi can probably spend that weekend smoking pot and hanging around with some hot babes like he usually does ;)

[Metastable]

hopefully Rossi will stand by his word and won't go, unlike the Stoner and Paedo backtracking once the factory got word of it!
Rossi can probably spend that weekend smoking pot and hanging around with some guys like he usually does ;)

fixed it for ya.....
just kidding, I don't know and I don't really care. :D

[Crasherfromwayback]

hopefully Rossi will stand by his word and won't go, unlike the Stoner and Paedo backtracking once the factory got word of it!
Rossi can probably spend that weekend smoking pot and hanging out of boys like he usually does ;)

There ya go.

And for the record...if I he is gay, I don't give a toss.

[SimJen]

he looks pretty gay in these pics :shit:

http://static.blogo.it/twowheelsblog/rossi_barca_1.jpg
http://darwinzialcita.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/arianna-matteuzzi6.jpg
http://www.visordown.com/news/images/Arianna-Matteuzzi7.jpg

[Crasherfromwayback]

he looks pretty gay in these pics :shit:

http://static.blogo.it/twowheelsblog/rossi_barca_1.jpg
http://darwinzialcita.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/arianna-matteuzzi6.jpg
http://www.visordown.com/news/images/Arianna-Matteuzzi7.jpg

Looks like he's kissing his mum in pic number two mate.

[Metastable]

:D I have seen those pics before....Maybe she's sporting a "package" :laugh:

But in all seriousness.... with all the other racers you see some hot chick in the pits... and with Rossi you see Uccio! :shit: It still doesn't mean anything.

[SimJen]

Perhaps Uccio is a ladyboy, not a very pretty one but!

[slowpoke]

WOA THERE YOU LOT.-- how many of you know EXACTLY where the track in Japan is located?
Fukashuma presents a real and ever present danger.Ignoring the simple risk from a bloody big explosion.
Actually I'll rephrase that.-- How many of you WOULD go spend a week or more in the shadow of Chernoble before it was capped off?

An independent report has verified there is no imminent threat from Fukishima, nor are there any dangerous effects lingering near Motegi. They are going to be there for a matter of days not living there as people continue to do, and as stated previously they will absorb more radiation from a simple X-ray or from flying at altitude.

They've all been handsomely supported by Japanese manufacturers at some stage, and now it's time to stop being such pussies, and do a lil' more than just wack a sticker on their bike. I'm losing a lot of respect for these guys over this, fuckin' prima donna's need to get out in the real world.

[Brian d marge]

I have already posted the FIM report which says ok , Also ummm I live here 60km from motegi all ok
Wibble Wibble

snakes a comming ,,,wooooo badger badger

Stephen

[onearmedbandit]

An independent report has verified there is no imminent threat from Fukishima, nor are there any dangerous effects lingering near Motegi. They are going to be there for a matter of days not living there as people continue to do, and as stated previously they will absorb more radiation from a simple X-ray or from flying at altitude.

They've all been handsomely supported by Japanese manufacturers at some stage, and now it's time to stop being such pussies, and do a lil' more than just wack a sticker on their bike. I'm losing a lot of respect for these guys over this, fuckin' prima donna's need to get out in the real world.


Top post right here folks.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Top post right here folks.

I'm with you there! But...each to their own as far as choice goes.

[Metastable]

Read today that there are grumblings suggesting the entire Ducati team might not go. IF that happens I wonder if it is more of a protest against something the Japanese teams are influencing Dorna with..... or if they'd take the time and do some testing at home instead.

Hopefully it's all journalistic BS.... it would be a sore eye for Rossi if it went down like that.

[SimJen]

its personal choice though isn't it. Everyone has the right to decide if they do or don't go.
While the reports state that its safe, at least for short term exposure some people still wouldn't want the risk.
Given Japans handling of the nuclear situation you can see their point?

Personally I'd go, all those glowing grid girls ;)

[Crasherfromwayback]

Personally I'd go, all those glowing grid girls ;)

As I've said in another post...I'd be more worried about peeling into turn one when they get another big shake!

And yes...lil Japanese girls are well cute!

[Metastable]

Hell ya it's everyone's choice, but... there is a certain expectation that if things are safe and you participate in something.... then you should participate in it if you can. These days it isn't about the racers anymore, it is about the show... that's why they get the big bucks. Will he take a 1/17ths or how-many-ever races they compete in salary cut. Let's say it is 17 races so.... say the kid makes $50mil/year..... so that's a $3mil pay cut and give it to the residents of the area instead. I think that would be looked upon more favorably for everyone. Just saying.

[SimJen]

Sounds like the whole team is looking at pulling the plug on Japan, maybe because the bikes not performing and it would be embarrassing in front of the Jap manufacturers??? Or just because they can save some money by not travelling and do a bit of testing elsewhere on a new chassis???

[Metastable]

Sounds like the whole team is looking at pulling the plug on Japan, maybe because the bikes not performing and it would be embarrassing in front of the Jap manufacturers??? Or just because they can save some money by not travelling and do a bit of testing elsewhere on a new chassis???

All very valid points, but it isn't that simple. Ducati is a part of the commission (forget name... Grandprix commission maybe?) made up of well.... Ducati, Honda, Yamaha and Suzuki.... and they agree with Dorna (the rights holder to MotoGP) to have a certain # of bikes on the grid, unless something unforeseen happens like a rider getting hurt and there not being a suitable replacement, etc.

Since the commission is mostly Japanese, I think there would be some SERIOUS pressure from them to penalize Ducati if they don't show up.... like maybe barring them from next year's Japanese GP too (this is just me talking out loud). Dunno.... but the easy thing would be for the Ducati team to go.... even if it is just Hayden's side of the garage. Then they have less pressure from Dorna... hey at least they tried, but their dude didn't want to go.

It's all very speculative right now. Here is the article I read:

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2011/Aug/110823n.htm

[slowpoke]

The've got that Duke closer to the Honda's and Yamaha's than they've been all season after making a good step forward at Brno. Rossi was right on Speez klacker for most of the race. So I can't see any performance fears being part of the equation, if anything I'd have thought they'd see it as a great opportunity to explore more setup options and get even closer.

Engines are a worry for them though, they're well into their allocation. But any miles are good miles for them and with testing restrictions even a start from the back of the grid is still well worth the effort if they have to resort to an extra engine.

I'm hoping sanity prevails and it's just a marketing thing to gain a bit more exposure. As it stands I'm starting to wonder why they bother wearing back protectors.........

[cowpoos]

The've got that Duke closer to the Honda's and Yamaha's than they've been all season after making a good step forward at Brno. Rossi was right on Speez klacker for most of the race. So I can't see any performance fears being part of the equation, if anything I'd have thought they'd see it as a great opportunity to explore more setup options and get even closer.

Engines are a worry for them though, they're well into their allocation. But any miles are good miles for them and with testing restrictions even a start from the back of the grid is still well worth the effort if they have to resort to an extra engine.

I'm hoping sanity prevails and it's just a marketing thing to gain a bit more exposure. As it stands I'm starting to wonder why they bother wearing back protectors.........

If I were ducati...I would be more concerned with the speed at which the majorly underfunded suzuki is gaining on them!!!! or do we believe alvro bautista is an AMAZING rider?

[BMWST?]

unless something unforeseen happens like

like a nuclear accident maybe?

[slowpoke]

Alrighty, now that we've established the skin on top of my mum's custard is tougher than an elite MotoGP rider, what say we throw some interest into the championship?

All the GP riders can stay home tucked up safe and sound in their lil' cottonwool blanky's and we'll auction off seats on all their bikes, with the funds going to the people affected by the quake. Instead of the "International Race of Champions" (remember them?)we'll have the "International Race of Random's", with points awarded as per normal, ie whoever gets Lorenzo's bike scores points for Lorenzo etc. Simo's crew chief would love the idea, the chances of crash damage would probably be lower.

Ok ok, so I'm bored at work.....but it's got a certain ring to it....

[Brian d marge]

Alrighty, now that we've established the skin on top of my mum's custard is tougher than an elite MotoGP rider, what say we throw some interest into the championship?

All the GP riders can stay home tucked up safe and sound in their lil' cottonwool blanky's and we'll auction off seats on all their bikes, with the funds going to the people affected by the quake. Instead of the "International Race of Champions" (remember them?)we'll have the "International Race of Random's", with points awarded as per normal, ie whoever gets Lorenzo's bike scores points for Lorenzo etc. Simo's crew chief would love the idea, the chances of crash damage would probably be lower.

Ok ok, so I'm bored at work.....but it's got a certain ring to it....

oh oh that would be me right there ....deeply affected was I ... My enfield fell over and scratched its tank , ...one of the doors in to my office is a little outa plumb, oh and we had 4 hours without electricity ...
Yup got to be me for one of those rides ...( failing that any of the paddock girls will do )

Stephen
ps. geez your mums custard ... youu might want to offer it to Christchurch to help glue the building back together !!!!

[slowpoke]

ps. geez your mums custard ... youu might want to offer it to Christchurch to help glue the building back together !!!!

Haha, "liquefaction" ..."custard"...same thing when I was growing up. Actually now that I think of it custard normally lead to liquefaction.....

[Crasherfromwayback]

Let's do this instead...I always loved Suzuka!!

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2011/Aug/110825b.htm

[wharfy]

An independent report has verified there is no imminent threat from Fukishima, nor are there any dangerous effects lingering near Motegi. They are going to be there for a matter of days not living there as people continue to do, and as stated previously they will absorb more radiation from a simple X-ray or from flying at altitude.

They've all been handsomely supported by Japanese manufacturers at some stage, and now it's time to stop being such pussies, and do a lil' more than just wack a sticker on their bike. I'm losing a lot of respect for these guys over this, fuckin' prima donna's need to get out in the real world.

I read an independent report that said thalidomide was safe too...

[wharfy]

There ya go.

And for the record...if I he is gay, I don't give a toss.

Remember the segment in the ROVE TV program where he asked celebrity guests who they would turn gay for ?
Rossi would be the top of my list - and it would only have to be a 1/4 turn <_<

[Crasherfromwayback]

Remember the segment in the ROVE TV program where he asked celebrity guests who they would turn gay for ?
Rossi would be the top of my list - and it would only have to be a 1/4 turn <_<

Hahaha. I'd be gay as if it meant I could ride as well as him!!!

[slowpoke]

I read an independent report that said thalidomide was safe too...

Not sure how that applies when these guys are worried about radiation but have X-rays every other month that are a much higher doseage than they will ever experience at Motegi.

Nah, it just shits me when they hold up lil' signs "Thinking of you Japan" on the dummy grid, and put stickers on bikes, and auction off leathers they haven't had to pay for, they're all concerned and sympathetic.......and then go missing in action when it comes to real action. This in spite of their own government's travel warnings saying there is no significant risk.

From the Aussie guvvie smart traveller website: http://www.smartraveller.gov.au/zw-cgi/view/TravelBulletins/Information_on_radiation_for_Australians_in_Japan

"As a result of joint assessments of the situation in Japan, ARPANSA and the Department of Health and Ageing recommended, as a precautionary measure, that Australians within an 80 km zone from the Fukushima nuclear power plant move out of the area.

The US had made a similar recommendation in accordance with the standard guidelines of their Nuclear Regulatory Commission. Their guidelines would require a zone of 80 km (50 miles) around the Fukushima nuclear power plant."

[Metastable]

IMO the only concern they should have would be if there was a chance for further radiation leaks to occur if another earthquake/tsunami hit the plant.

[Badjelly]

I read an independent report that said thalidomide was safe too...

Welcome to delusionist's paradise. You get to choose your own reality and all you need to dismiss any evidence to the contrary is a glib one-liner. Just say "They said xxxxxxx and it was wrong" (even if they didn't or it wasn't) and you're sweet.

[Shaun]

ok then all you hero;s, get on a plane and go hang out there for few days yourselves yea write hahahaha

[wharfy]

Welcome to delusionist's paradise. You get to choose your own reality and all you need to dismiss any evidence to the contrary is a glib one-liner. Just say "They said xxxxxxx and it was wrong" (even if they didn't or it wasn't) and you're sweet.

The only delusions I have relate to my riding ability :) - Thalidomide WAS deemed to be safe to give to pregnant women - but we now know it wasn't - The Erebus disaster WAS blamed on the Pilots - and for years that LIE was defended by the Government and Corporation - anyone who disagreed was crucified (Mr Justice Mahon for example) - But it was caused by the planes computer being re-programmed without the pilots knowledge.
It may be that the "independent" report is correct - but I take all my independent reports with a Tui. :)

Every day we make decisions based on what we think we know, and on what we know we don't know - I know I don't know how close one can get to a leaking Nuclear Power Station and still be safe - I also know I don't know whether the riders concerns are genuine or they just want a weekend off - I support their right to choose how close they want to get to a leaking Nuclear Power Station - That fact that they make their living wringing the neck off 200+ horsepower motorcycles sort of negates the theory that they are just "chicken".

[jellywrestler]

I read an independent report that said thalidomide was safe too...
It's done me well, got to sit on a plane once next to a Thalidomide chap, had the arm rests all to myself I did.

[Shaun]

It's done me well, got to sit on a plane once next to a Thalidomide chap, had the arm rests all to myself I did.



hahahah OOOPS

[Crasherfromwayback]

It's done me well, got to sit on a plane once next to a Thalidomide chap, had the arm rests all to myself I did.

Like having a drink at the smallest pub in the world. The Thalidomide Arms.

[Shaun]

Like having a drink at the smallest pub in the world. The Thalidomide Arms.


or those Thalidomide HANDLE BARS ON HOGS

[Badjelly]

Every day we make decisions based on what we think we know, and on what we know we don't know

Sure. But your complete rejection (which is how it came across) of the report on Fukushima risks seems at odds with the pragmatism you're claiming.

I don't know what the risks would be for riders and participants at Motegi, but everything I've read and seen suggests they are tiny. Unless the radiation levels are trillions(*) of times higher than "they" are telling us.

You don't have to go, fine. I'd be perfectly happy to go if someone would pay me. (That sounded like an offer, Shaun. Frosty didn't come through, I'm afraid.)

The riders are entitled not to go, sure. And they're entitled to pay the penalties for not fulfilling their contracts.

(*) OK, I made that number up.

[Oscar]

Sure. But your complete rejection (which is how it came across) of the report on Fukushima risks seems at odds with the pragmatism you're claiming.

I don't know what the risks would be for riders and participants at Motegi, but everything I've read and seen suggests they are tiny. Unless the radiation levels are trillions(*) of times higher than "they" are telling us.

You don't have to go, fine. I'd be perfectly happy to go if someone would pay me. (That sounded like an offer, Shaun. Frosty didn't come through, I'm afraid.)

The riders are entitled not to go, sure. And they're entitled to pay the penalties for not fulfilling their contracts.

(*) OK, I made that number up.


The party line out of Dorna is that the background radiation in Naples is higher than that at Motegi.

[Crasherfromwayback]

The party line out of Dorna is that the background radiation in Naples is higher than that at Motegi.

Nice one!!!

[wharfy]

Sure. But your complete rejection (which is how it came across) of the report on Fukushima risks seems at odds with the pragmatism you're claiming.

I don't know what the risks would be for riders and participants at Motegi, but everything I've read and seen suggests they are tiny. Unless the radiation levels are trillions(*) of times higher than "they" are telling us.

You don't have to go, fine. I'd be perfectly happy to go if someone would pay me. (That sounded like an offer, Shaun. Frosty didn't come through, I'm afraid.)

The riders are entitled not to go, sure. And they're entitled to pay the penalties for not fulfilling their contracts.

(*) OK, I made that number up.

Well your right, it was pretty much a complete rejection - even though I haven't read the report :)
I'm a cynical old bastard, and have witnessed many examples of people/organizations with vested interests producing reports to allay the fears of the masses, sell their product, make irreversible changes to the environment etc. "its harmless" "there is no evidence to support a causal link" "its below World Health Organization recommended safe levels". Of course "safe levels" of almost everything are continually being lowered (how much mercury is safe ?) As far as radiation and its affects go, very little is actually known - Sadly most of what we do know is from "human guinea pigs" exposed either deliberately, as in the Bombs dropped on Japan, exposing military personnel (NZ seaman included) or civilian populations to testing (without their consent - informed or otherwise) or "accidents" like Three mile Island, Chernobyl, or this latest one.

So when there is a Nuclear accident and somebody produces a report to say its OK my response is "yeah right" !
I don't want to get within a thousand kilometers of it

If my boss said I had to go and work there I am pretty sure I'd be getting my union delegate involved. - ( this bit is theoretical as I am currently "between jobs" as actors like to say )

[Shaun]

[QUOTE=wharfy;


So when there is a Nuclear accident and somebody produces a report to say its OK my response is "yeah right" !
I don't want to get within a thousand kilometers of it

If my boss said I had to go and work there I am pretty sure I'd be getting my union delegate involved. - ( this bit is theoretical as I am currently "between jobs" as actors like to say )[/QUOTE]



Brilliant acting that man

[Badjelly]

The party line out of Dorna is that the background radiation in Naples is higher than that at Motegi.


Nice one!!!

You think it's not?

Natural radiation levels vary a lot around the world. People seem to forget that we all live on a glowing(*) lump of radioactive rock.

(*) Yes, glowing, literally. The heat that keeps all those volcanoes going comes from radioactive decay.

[Badjelly]

Well your right, it was pretty much a complete rejection - even though I haven't read the report :)
I'm a cynical old bastard, and have witnessed many examples of people/organizations with vested interests producing reports to allay the fears of the masses, sell their product, make irreversible changes to the environment etc....

Fair enough, but once you've realised that people sometimes lie, you're still left with the fact that there is a real world out there about which you have to make judgments. (Or not, there are a lot of occasions when believing things that just ain't so does people no harm whatsoever. Most of the time really.) And cynicism about *everything* gets you *nowhere*.

In Korea people are convinced (I kid you not) that being in an enclosed space with a running electric fan is very dangerous. And Korea is a very hot country (when it's not very cold) so this belief may well kill people--old people particularly--who die of the heat because they're scared of leaving the fan on. I'm sure that when Koreans hear experts saying fans are perfectly safe, they say "Yeah right". I don't think they drink Tui in Korea.

I know this stuff about fan death is true, because I read it on the Internet

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fan_death

[Crasherfromwayback]

You think it's not?

.

I'm sure it is.

[Oscar]

You think it's not?

Natural radiation levels vary a lot around the world. People seem to forget that we all live on a glowing(*) lump of radioactive rock.

(*) Yes, glowing, literally. The heat that keeps all those volcanoes going comes from radioactive decay.

You may also want to add the facts that the riders iin question are no strangers to x-rays and magnetic imaging, and they spend half their life on high flying aircraft.

[wharfy]

Fair enough, but once you've realised that people sometimes lie, you're still left with the fact that there is a real world out there about which you have to make judgments. (Or not, there are a lot of occasions when believing things that just ain't so does people no harm whatsoever. Most of the time really.) And cynicism about *everything* gets you *nowhere*.

In Korea people are convinced (I kid you not) that being in an enclosed space with a running electric fan is very dangerous. And Korea is a very hot country (when it's not very cold) so this belief may well kill people--old people particularly--who die of the heat because they're scared of leaving the fan on. I'm sure that when Koreans hear experts saying fans are perfectly safe, they say "Yeah right". I don't think they drink Tui in Korea.

I know this stuff about fan death is true, because I read it on the Internet

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fan_death

Well fan death "MAY" be an urban myth (or not - noticed the consumer report mention "closed" rooms) but I am pretty sure that radiation poisoning is not an urban myth.
I AM cynical about almost everything - but I don't reject everything - just "independent" reports that support government/big business view about shit like radiation hazards :)
Oh and if you fly anywhere make sure it is not on a Boeing 737 nt :)

[Badjelly]

I am pretty sure that radiation poisoning is not an urban myth.

No, of course not. And it took several years of people handling radioactive material very casually--plus a few "experiments"--to learn about it. But the levels that have been measured around Fukushima are *squillions* times lower than the levels that have been observed to cause harm and lower than levels that people expose themselves to routinely when they fly or have X rays or happen to live in places with high natural levels.

[Maido]

Can we get sources or links to when people are stating facts please. Just so we can see for ourselves instead or hearsay or opinion.
No offence intended but the whole "one guy heard this so it is fact" thing is probably half the reason why there is doubt about the levels of radiation.

[rachprice]

Not just the current background radiation but the fears that the plant is not as under control as they say
That, and what has been mentioned before, the recurring earthquakes. Not only a risk when on the track but the damage it may do to the plant


I can understand their concerns, the fact that they (and pretty much every one of us) don't completely understand the risks involved.

I am someone who also questions 'independent' reports, we are taught to always have a critical eye. Just because someone sounds smart and official doesn't mean what is coming out of their mouth is always true

[wharfy]

Can we get sources or links to when people are stating facts please. Just so we can see for ourselves instead or hearsay or opinion.
No offence intended but the whole "one guy heard this so it is fact" thing is probably half the reason why there is doubt about the levels of radiation.

Safe levels ?
This link is to MIT in US reasonable authoritative (My nephew was a professor there :)

http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/1994/safe-0105.html

Interesting in the second paragraph how the recommended "safe" levels were continually adjusted down.
I will try to track down some current figures for Japan

Article in the Irish Times about conflicting information.
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/world/2011/0901/1224303293416.html

Shit happens !
http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/310988

Just to reinforce my cynicism about Govt. reports

“It’s all a lie when the government says they did not go public with the information on radiation because they had no idea how much had been released,” said the Mayor of Namie, Tamotsu Baba.

http://www.euronews.net/2011/08/09/japan-accused-of-ignorance-over-radiation-levels/

[BMWST?]

i think there is only one person that can make a judgement of wether to go to Motegi....the riders and the teams.Its all very well to say x rays expose you to more ,or a plane flight will expose you to more...but these effects are cumulative.Would you accept another dose of radiation if you didnt HAVE to?And its not just about "background" radiation.What about the food ,the water?

[LBD]

i think there is only one person ....the riders and the teams.

??????????

Just being a smartarse....

[cowpoos]

you bugger stop talking jibberish....now back on topic!!

hmmm....Rossi is doing crap again!!!! lol....its funny how he's not getting a fraction of the media coverage, he's used too.

btw....has someone got a picture of his new helmet?

[BMWST?]

??????????

Just being a smartarse....

i meant the individual rider or team member...

[Crasherfromwayback]

you bugger stop talking jibberish....now back on topic!!

hmmm....Rossi is doing crap again!!!! lol....its funny how he's not getting a fraction of the media coverage, he's used too.

btw....has someone got a picture of his new helmet?

Funny how Stoner is laughing and joking his way to another world title while Rossi is bitching, whining and moaning...

[crazy man]

all l know is Stoner did a shit job of setting up a good ducati cause no one can ride it and every bike rossi had anything to do with vier ducati is bloody good !!! its ashame ducati is 3 years behide alot of work to me done

[Crasherfromwayback]

all l know is Stoner did a shit job of setting up a good ducati cause no one can ride it and every bike rossi had anything to do with vier ducati is bloody good !!! its ashame ducati is 3 years behide alot of work to me done

It would appear you think you know more than you do then. How is it...that Hector Barbera can set his privateer Ducati up and go faster on it than Rossi can on his factory bike?

How come Stoner can set his factory Honda up to go faster than every other cunt on the same bike if he's such a mongol?

How come if Rossi is so good, and as Burgess has said "It's just a bike"...that they're often 2 seconds off the pace Stoner is doing?

A lot of armchair experts looking like know all dreamers this season.

[Crasherfromwayback]

its ashame ducati is 3 years behide alot of work to me done

They could always re-hire Stoner if they wanna win races though eh!!

[crazy man]

They could always re-hire Stoner if they wanna win races though eh!!yes he is a very good rider very good!but did crash at every sec race. all rossi wants is feed back from the bike to win with out crashing

[BMWST?]

yes he is a very good rider very good!but did crash at every sec race. all rossi wants is feed back from the bike to win with out crashing

thats all casey wanted too but in the meantime he was riding ht e tyres of it

[crazy man]

It would appear you think you know more than you do then. How is it...that Hector Barbera can set his privateer Ducati up and go faster on it than Rossi can on his factory bike?

How come Stoner can set his factory Honda up to go faster than every other cunt on the same bike if he's such a mongol?

How come if Rossi is so good, and as Burgess has said "It's just a bike"...that they're often 2 seconds off the pace Stoner is doing?

A lot of armchair experts looking like know all dreamers this season.is Hector Barbera betting rossi in the champs? no! crashing dose not give you good placing!

[Crasherfromwayback]

yes he is a very good rider very good!but did crash at every sec race. all rossi wants is feed back from the bike to win with out crashing

He's hardly the only guy to have crashed the Ducati though eh. Just one of the only ones to have won on it...

[crazy man]

thats all casey wanted too but in the meantime he was riding ht e tyres of itthats why hes gone to honda ..the best bike out there

[Crasherfromwayback]

is Hector Barbera betting rossi in the champs? no! crashing dose not give you good placing!

No he's not. But nor would you expect a privateer to be doing so. However...five other guys are. And he's lucky to be where he is in the championship too. 6th is EXTREMELY flattering.

[crazy man]

He's hardly the only guy to have crashed the Ducati though eh. Just one of the only ones to win on it...its just a shame its so far behine! need all the bikes out there

[Crasherfromwayback]

thats all casey wanted too but in the meantime he was riding ht e tyres of it

And beating his head against a brick wall so it would seem.

[Crasherfromwayback]

its just a shame its so far behine! need all the bikes out there

I'm with you there. I'd actually love to see Rossi giving Stoner and Lorenzo a hurry up, as there's no love lost between them, and it'd be a great watch.

[merv]

What stands out this year is that Honda and Yamaha have, it appears, bloody good bikes. To me it was more strange when Honda wasn't on top of its game when the 800s first came along as they had done such a good job with the 990 in the first place. Rossi should have got a job back with Honda instead of wasting his time with Ducati.

I like they way Honda leads the pack most times - many years ago with Mick it was big bang, then back to screamer, all just to lead the others silly. Then they did the V5. Now its seamless gearboxes - Honda's is working a treat - Ducati tries to copy and Rossi complains of getting false neutrals. Honda always tries different stuff first with much success and I am sure old man Honda is smiling from his grave again while his company's engines are a picture of reliability and speed.

Rossi and Burgess have let us all down this time with their lack of success and it makes it look like it was more the Japanese that created the successes while they took the credit in the past.

All credit to Casey though he is riding like a champion and doing it wisely with a setup and tyre choice that lasts the race distance. With Dani going reasonably well the Repsol team this year must be a good outfit and likewise the Yamaha factory team as both of its bikes are turning very good speed now too.

[crazy man]

I'm with you there. I'd actually love to see Rossi giving Stoner and Lorenzo a hurry up, as there's no love lost between them, and it'd be a great watch.l think ducati need to take 2 steps back to take 1 step ford

[Crasherfromwayback]

l think ducati need to take 2 steps back to take 1 step ford

Eye. Do what the late great John Britten wouldn't do. Admit defeat...and put a fucking run of the mill frame in the fucking thing! Although I think the biggest issue with the Britten was the front end? Shaun? I know in talking with Loren Pool he thought it was shite.

[BMWST?]

What stands out this year is that Honda and Yamaha have, it appears, bloody good bikes. To me it was more strange when Honda wasn't on top of its game when the 800s first came along as they had done such a good job with the 990 in the first place. Rossi should have got a job back with Honda instead of wasting his time with Ducati.

I like they way Honda leads the pack most times - many years ago with Mick it was big bang, then back to screamer, all just to lead the others silly. Then they did the V5. Now its seamless gearboxes - Honda's is working a treat - Ducati tries to copy and Rossi complains of getting false neutrals. Honda always tries different stuff first with much success and I am sure old man Honda is smiling from his grave again while his company's engines are a picture of reliability and speed.

Rossi and Burgess have let us all down this time with their lack of success and it makes it look like it was more the Japanese that created the successes while they took the credit in the past.

All credit to Casey though he is riding like a champion and doing it wisely with a setup and tyre choice that lasts the race distance. With Dani going reasonably well the Repsol team this year must be a good outfit and likewise the Yamaha factory team as both of its bikes are turning very good speed now too.

I dont look at it as Rossi and Burgess letting us down.I think this is a reflection of how extreme these bikes are and how easy it is to get the basic package "wrong".

[Crasherfromwayback]

I like they way Honda leads the pack most times - many years ago with Mick it was big bang, then back to screamer, all just to lead the others silly. Then they did the V5. Now its seamless gearboxes - Honda's is working a treat - Ducati tries to copy and Rossi complains of getting false neutrals. Honda always tries different stuff first with much success and I am sure old man Honda is smiling from his grave again while his company's engines are a picture of reliability and speed.


It pains me to admit that Honda have more often than not shown the way Merv.

How come Rossi's Ducati is the only one getting false neutrals anyway? Nicky Hayden doesn't seem to be getting any...

[crazy man]

Eye. Do what the late great John Britten wouldn't do. Admit defeat...and put a fucking run of the mill frame in the fucking thing! Although I think the biggest issue with the Britten was the front end? Shaun? I know in talking with Loren Pool he thought it was shite.the thing is if they dont they will lose a great racer the end. they maybe on to something like john britten but his wes done at a time were it just worked cause of the time but now days it maybe years away to get it realy right

[LBD]

i meant the individual rider or team member...

I know what you meant...I said I was being a smartarse

But yea...I am a Stoner and Ducati supporter...when they went their separate ways and Rossi went to Ducati, I have had to learn to split loyalties...Cannot say I am a Rossi fan, though no denying his talent...his character grates on me and some of his riding style (Overtaking) is too agressive and putting others and himself at risk.

As a Stoner supporter...yes really enjoying watch Rossi wallowing in it with the comments he made last year regarding Stoner not trying hard enough coming back to bite him

As a Ducati Bike suporter...I was sorry to see Stoner leave, if any rider could win on the Duc it was Stoner. I don't think Duc Corporate did the right thing by Stoner offering Rossi so much more $ as they are reputed to have done...Yes the Italians would like to see an Italian on an Italian bike clean up, but in pursuing that dream they have shot them selves in the foot

[Crasherfromwayback]

As a Ducati Bike suporter...I was sorry to see Stoner leave, if any rider could win on the Duc it was Stoner. I don't think Duc Corporate did the right thing by Stoner offering Rossi so much more $ as they are reputed to have done...Yes the Italians would like to see an Italian on an Italian bike clean up, but in pursuing that dream they have shot them selves in the foot

They also offered Lorenzo twice what they were paying Stoner to ride the bike while he was crook.

So much for loyalty eh...

[BMWST?]

Eye. Do what the late great John Britten wouldn't do. Admit defeat...and put a fucking run of the mill frame in the fucking thing! Although I think the biggest issue with the Britten was the front end? Shaun? I know in talking with Loren Pool he thought it was shite.

so did Robert Holden I beleive

[LBD]

They also offered Lorenzo twice what they were paying Stoner to ride the bike while he was crook.

So much for loyalty eh...

Did not know that about Lorenzo....loyalty to their own obviously

And Duc were so proud soon after Stoner's win...I did a factory tour and there was a 3 story high banner..."Welcome to the Stoner Age" Then again the following year with "Stoner Age II"

Its funny though, when in Italy and I was wearing a Duc shirt...there seemed little eneral public brand loyalty...it was all rider...they were not slow to voice that Rossi losing meant more than Ducati winning.246187

[merv]

It pains me to admit that Honda have more often than not shown the way Merv.



Its "the power of dreams" brother, lol.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Its "the power of dreams" brother, lol.

One heart even...

[gav]

I wonder how Dani Pedrosa is feeling? He's had the full backing of Honda for so long, and along comes Stoner who looks like he's gonna win a title at his first attempt on that Honda, that has been beyond Pedrosa. :facepalm:

[Crasherfromwayback]

I wonder how Dani Pedrosa is feeling? He's had the full backing of Honda for so long, and along comes Stoner who looks like he's gonna win a title at his first attempt on that Honda, that has been beyond Pedrosa. :facepalm:

To me...the weird thing with Honda is...they look like they're gonna give Dovi the boot next year. I would've thought it was better to have a good number 2 rider in your team, rather than a guy that can on occasion beat you're number 1 guy.

Dovi is good enough to podium on a regular basis. So surely having him finish ahead of the other team's best rider to help with points etc would be better than a team mate that takes points off your number one on occasion?

[gav]

Yeah I agree, unfortunately Pedrosa = Repsol $$ .
Wonder what we'll see in 2013? Pedrosa and Marquez on Repsol bikes, with or without Honda?

[cowpoos]

a comparison :yes:

[rachprice]

Man that comparison is way too hard to read...so many comparisons!! all different people...my brain has turned to mush!

[BMWST?]

Man that comparison is way too hard to read...so many comparisons!! all different people...my brain has turned to mush!

agreed i can see no logic in it

[cowpoos]

Man that comparison is way too hard to read...so many comparisons!! all different people...my brain has turned to mush!

Just look and rossi this year...stoner last year....total race time and lap time is shown.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Just look and rossi this year...stoner last year....total race time and lap time is shown.

Nope. You lost me. Yes...I'm a Dingbat.

[eelracing]

Just look, rossi this year...stoner last year....total race time and lap time is shown.

Yeah very interesting comparisons.Basically it says in the majority of cases that Rossi's total race times on the Duke are faster than Caseys were last year and Rossi is also doing faster laps.
So Rossi is faster overall between himself and Casey on the same bike?
Even if you allow for diff race conditions it's still an interesting read.

But also highlights how far Casey and Lorenzo have moved the goalpost's this year.
Lorenzo through awesome riding and Casey hopping on a Honda.

[Crasherfromwayback]

But also highlights how far Casey and Lorenzo have moved the goalpost's this year.
Lorenzo through awesome riding and Casey hopping on a Honda.

Rossi has a new friend...

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2011/Sep/110912mu.htm

[Crasherfromwayback]

And Yamaha have announced that Spies and Lorenzo will race at Montegi. So that'll force Stoner to go.

[codgyoleracer]

Seems to have a bit of confidence 246713

[Shaun]

Rossi has a new friend...

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2011/Sep/110912mu.htm



If only they had listened to US 6 months ago:woohoo:

[Crasherfromwayback]

Seems to have a bit of confidence

Unreal eh!!!


If only they had listened to US 6 months ago:woohoo:

Yep. Sifters.

[wharfy]

Seems to have a bit of confidence 246713

Even though I have a rudimentary understanding of the theory involved here - In practice it still looks impossible to do that :gob:

[yod]

Even though I have a rudimentary understanding of the theory involved here - In practice it still looks impossible for us mere mortals to do that :gob:

fixed it for ya :niceone:

[eelracing]

Even though I have a rudimentary understanding of the theory involved here - In practice it still looks impossible to do that :gob:

Nah mate Mickey D was doing it nearly 15 years ago...only different riding styles back then.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Check these pics of the Duke out...

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/image/archive/tobymoody/

[Captian soup]

Seems to have a bit of confidence 246713

PFFFRT he aint so special. heres a fourteen year old on treaded tires
http://www.zxrworld.co.uk/zxr400oc/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=12824

and i got excited about finally getting a knee down..:blink:

[imdying]

all l know is Stoner did a shit job of setting up a good ducati cause no one can ride itThere's only one seat, he didn't need to set it up for anybody else. If Rossi can't set his up, then that's his business, not the fault of anybody else.... he's got JB to hold his hand ffs.

[Metastable]

I still don't know how Mick D. won anything riding like that. How the heck do you get any feel when you are pushing the bike underneath you?

[Crasherfromwayback]

I still don't know how Mick D. won anything riding like that. How the heck do you get any feel when you are pushing the bike underneath you?

Yeah Mick only sometimes sat up on the thing like that. Other times (more often than not) he leant into the corners with his front shoulder down and forwards.

[Brian d marge]

Ducati have an aluminium frame now, I'll post a photo of it later

Stephen

[Henk]

I still don't know how Mick D. won anything riding like that. How the heck do you get any feel when you are pushing the bike underneath you?

From some DVD I saw Dohan was explaining that he rode with that weird style because he was trying to catch the thing if it started to high side.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Ducati have an aluminium frame now, I'll post a photo of it later

Stephen

See my post. # 153

[Reckless]

Article here forgot to post it up a few days ago

http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/racing/ducati-parallel-motogp-project-aluminum-chassis/

if you flick the red scrolling thingy at the top there's a pic.

copy and paste
Ducati Desmosedici GP12 “EVO” Testing at Mugello

Testing at Mugello today and tomorrow, Ducati has very discretely (like that could actually happen) begun testing its Desmosedici GP12 “EVO” – a modified version of the GP12 that features an aluminum frame made by FTR. Replacing Ducati’s innovative carbon fiber “frameless” chassis, the twin-spar aluminum frame is an attempt by the Italian factory to bring more front-end feel to its riders. Testing today with Franco Battaini, we get these first photos of the Desmosedici GP12 “EVO” (or is it GP12.1?) testing at the Italian track.


Same but bigger pic??
http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/racing/ducati-desmosedici-gp12-evo-mugello-test/

[eelracing]

Yeah Mick only sometimes sat up on the thing like that. Other times (more often than not) he leant into the corners with his front shoulder down and forwards.


From some DVD I saw Dohan was explaining that he rode with that weird style because he was trying to catch the thing if it started to high side.

It was more to weight the front as the Honda just would'nt turn back then.
He also invented the ankle/calf slider because of it...for some reason it never took off like knee sliders.

[johan]

More numbers...

Aragon:
STONER 2011 (HONDA) 42'17"427
STONER 2010 (DUCATI) 42'16"530

Meanwhile in the Ducati garage...

247073

:scooter:

[Brian d marge]

Rossi will test a full alloy twin spar chassis later this week, according to spalders from euro sport.

stephen

[jellywrestler]

More numbers...

Aragon:
STONER 2011 (HONDA) 42'17"427
STONER 2010 (DUCATI) 42'16"530

Meanwhile in the Ducati garage...

247073

:scooter:
what corona without lemon, how simple eh?