Shorty levers on sports/road bikes - Pros and cons please

[5150]

I am looking at getting some shorty clutch and brake levers for my 05 Z1000.

I found some on TM for $120. They are CNC machined aluminium. Add states they are adjustable and fold away in a crash. And they are direct replacement for the standard ones on my bike.

My question is, what are the pros and cons of using them? Beside the looks, do they make your breaking easier or harder? same with clutch action.

I have seen them but never had any experience with them. But I think my naked Zed would look nice with them on. :mellow:

[rossirep]

i am looking at getting some shorty clutch and brake levers for my 05 z1000.

I found some on tm for $120. They are cnc machined aluminium. Add states they are adjustable and fold away in a crash. And they are direct replacement for the standard ones on my bike.

My question is, what are the pros and cons of using them? Beside the looks, do they make your breaking easier or harder? Same with clutch action.

I have seen them but never had any experience with them. But i think my naked zed would look nice with them on. :mellow:

they do the same thing as the standard levers but have a nicer feel and are nice and easy to adjust while riding.. ,

[Deano]

they do the same thing as the standard levers but have a nicer feel and are nice and easy to adjust while riding.. ,

+1

The crutch took a while to get used to cause I used to use all fingers - I use three fingers on it now, 2 on the brakes (same as before with full lever)

Hang on.....:laugh:

[DMNTD]

I have seen them but never had any experience with them. But I think my naked Zed would look nice with them on. :mellow:

I know that mine does :laugh:
I've got gold Pazzos on mine. I was a lil' hesitant re the short clutch but now prefer it by far.
The only negative I can see is if you have lame brakes, which you don't

[DMNTD]

+1

The crutch took a while to get used to cause I used to use all fingers...

Ummmm....yes dear :laugh:

[Deano]

I know that mine does :laugh:
I've got gold Pazzos on mine. I was a lil' hesitant re the short clutch but now prefer it by far.
The only negative I can see is if you have lame brakes, which you don't

Yeah it took me a while to get used to using 3 fingers on the clutch. Now I hold the pinky out like sipping a cup of tea old chap.

[98tls]

Tried the Pazzo shorties,hated them so swapped em for regular length.Will add i seem to be the exception most blokes i know like the short ones.

[Mom]

I have ridden with both clutch and brake levers shortened to snap off point as a result of connecting with the ground :pinch: I quite liked them like that. Will look to blinging Millie with them as funds permit, they have to be blue though :shit:

[DMNTD]

Will look to blinging Millie with them as funds permit, they have to be blue though :shit:

For 'affordable' blingage try THIS GUY (http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/parts-for-sale/performance/auction-400325226.htm).
He can get a hold of alsorts but he usually has it in stock.
He has an actual store as well 50m down the road from Botany Honda MC.

[Madness]

Will look to blinging Millie with them as funds permit, they have to be blue though :shit:

Liam at fastbikegear.co.nz (http://fastbikegear.co.nz) is really good to deal with too. Not "asian knock-off" products so a little more expensive than the guy in Botany but different brands have different "feel" to them. I have Titax levers and love the feel of the lever profile (I have large paws). There's a nice looking BLUE (http://www.fastbikegear.co.nz/index.php?main_page=index&manufacturers_id=24&zenid=gra8ggamvh92sqj34rmcu2vra6) here too fwiw.

[DMNTD]

Liam at fastbikegear.co.nz (http://fastbikegear.co.nz) is really to deal with too. Not "asian knock-off" products so a little more expensive than the guy in Botany but different brands have different "feel" to them. I have Titax levers and love the feel of the lever profile (I have large paws). There's a nice looking BLUE (http://www.fastbikegear.co.nz/index.php?main_page=index&manufacturers_id=24&zenid=gra8ggamvh92sqj34rmcu2vra6) here too fwiw.

Agreed mister...superior quality = better feel and finish.
Liam has some very nice stuff and is a gent to deal with

[98tls]

Liam at fastbikegear.co.nz (http://fastbikegear.co.nz) is really good to deal with too. Not "asian knock-off" products so a little more expensive than the guy in Botany but different brands have different "feel" to them. I have Titax levers and love the feel of the lever profile (I have large paws). There's a nice looking BLUE (http://www.fastbikegear.co.nz/index.php?main_page=index&manufacturers_id=24&zenid=gra8ggamvh92sqj34rmcu2vra6) here too fwiw.

Anyone up there sell Gillies stuff,looking for a set of there chain adjusters (read as bling) and with the $ the way it is might be worth just buying them here.

[DMNTD]

Anyone up there sell Gillies stuff,looking for a set of there chain adjusters (read as bling) and with the $ the way it is might be worth just buying them here.

Will have a chat with someone tomorrow for you :drinknsin

[AllanB]

I started with some cheap-arse Chinese knock-offs - actually they appeared to be of high quality. Went standard clutch shorty brake. I liked the brake so much I ordered another cheap-o set with short-short.

Then spent some bucks on suspenders and suddenly worried about my Asian levers (without any apparent justification other than the $ spend on suspension!) so I ordered up some CRG's in short/short from a USA contact. Man these CRG's are spunky :Punk:

I have a preference for the short ones.

I've PMed you with a link to try - cheap enough to experiment with.

PS anyone want some asian shorties for the Hornet 900 very cheap - let me know.

[5150]

Wow, great feedback so far. I seen them on MX bikes, but never thought how they would feel on the road bike. And the more I think about it the better the Zed would look with them (In green ofcourse) :msn-wink:

[98tls]

Will have a chat with someone tomorrow for you :drinknsin

Cheers D,lemme know.Ta.I know they still make them for my old girl.

[DMNTD]

Wow, great feedback so far. I seen them on MX bikes, but never thought how they would feel on the road bike. And the more I think about it the better the Zed would look with them (In green ofcourse) :msn-wink:

It's not a good pic but gives you a rough idea as to what it would look like.

[wysper]

I know that mine does :laugh:
I've got gold Pazzos on mine. I was a lil' hesitant re the short clutch but now prefer it by far.
The only negative I can see is if you have lame brakes, which you don't

Do you know of anyone using them on a cruiser?

[DMNTD]

Do you know of anyone using them on a cruiser?

Tbh no...but that doesn't mean no one is. :shifty:

[98tls]

Tbh no...but that doesn't mean no one is. :shifty:

This bloke does.Something to do with less wind resistance:laugh:

[4AGE]

Same as others have said.

Personal preference with shorty vs. long levers.

I find my shorty ones comfy once i got used to them. Clutch is odd at first.

[wysper]

Tbh no...but that doesn't mean no one is. :shifty:

do they have to be made for specific models of bike?

[HQfiend]

There has been a shit load of talk about "chazzo's" on various forums I'm on, both for and against. Biggest thing is that the quality control may be lacking regarding the adjusting mechanism resulting in the lever going straight to the handle bar with activating the brakes. This is of course not desirable!:gob: Please choose wisely and check them immediately upon fitting by operating the levers in a "panic braking" snatch of the lever (obviously not while riding) and see if the adjuster lets go.

I splashed out and bought genuine Pazzo's from the US for $US175 shipped. Arrived in 3 weeks as the dealer had to order from the factory in the colour scheme I requested. Can't fault service or the levers for that matter.

[98tls]

There has been a shit load of talk about "chazzo's" on various forums I'm on, both for and against. Biggest thing is that the quality control may be lacking regarding the adjusting mechanism resulting in the lever going straight to the handle bar with activating the brakes. This is of course not desirable!:gob: Please choose wisely and check them immediately upon fitting by operating the levers in a "panic braking" snatch of the lever (obviously not while riding) and see if the adjuster lets go.

I splashed out and bought genuine Pazzo's from the US for $US175 shipped. Arrived in 3 weeks as the dealer had to order from the factory in the colour scheme I requested. Can't fault service or the levers for that matter.

Fwiw theres been a set of knock offs doing the rounds on the TL forum,bought for fuck all in England and sent on to members all around the world,a year later there still working fine.You have to laugh at some of the comments on bike forums regarding the likes of levers and other aftermarket parts,compared to oem even the knock offs are quality.Levers threads are the new "whats the best oil for my purely road ridden sprotbike" threads.

[SPP]

No need to agonise, they’re NZ $35 delivered from fleabay. Try them out, if you don't like them then give them away.

http://shop.ebay.com/i.html?_nkw=z1000+cnc+levers&_sacat=0&_stpos=&gbr=1&_odkw=06+z1000+cnc+levers&_osacat=0&_trksid=p3286.c0.m270.l1313

[boman]

Tried the Pazzo shorties,hated them so swapped em for regular length.Will add i seem to be the exception most blokes i know like the short ones.

Haha. Not the only exception. I tried some Pazzo Shorties too. Ended up buying some stock length ones, as I did not like the shorties.

[cs363]

Tried the Pazzo shorties,hated them so swapped em for regular length.Will add i seem to be the exception most blokes i know like the short ones.


Haha. Not the only exception. I tried some Pazzo Shorties too. Ended up buying some stock length ones, as I did not like the shorties.

Add another to that list, tried shorties in the past hated the increased lever effort through err ...lack of leverage :lol: And I don't particularly like the stunted look either.
ASV's for me, but have used Titax and Pazzo in the past - all good.

[DEATH_INC.]

And the more I think about it the better the Zed would look with them (In green ofcourse) :msn-wink:
like these :) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180698544612&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649

I use shorties on the 10, tho on the turbo I'm getting a full length clutch.....the barnett springs are outta a 12 tonne truck...:laugh:
I'm an ex mxer so I like 'em.

[5150]

I have been investigating Pazzo's and have been swayed that way. But noone is stocking the green ones at the mo. My next choice is Gold with Red adjusters.<_<

[BAY CITY MOTORCYCLES]

I have been investigating Pazzo's and have been swayed that way. But noone is stocking the green ones at the mo. My next choice is Gold with Red adjusters.<_<

The green ones in Death_Inc's link look the part ,granted that they aren't Pazzo's though.

[Corse1]

I know that mine does :laugh:
I've got gold Pazzos on mine. I was a lil' hesitant re the short clutch but now prefer it by far.
The only negative I can see is if you have lame brakes, which you don't

Yeah I have STd length Titax on the ape but after riding a mates RSV with shorties I made the wrong decision.

[BAY CITY MOTORCYCLES]

Yeah I have STd length Titax on the ape but after riding a mates RSV with shorties I made the wrong decision.

Indeed...took the first ride for me to get used to the shorty clutch but now I prefer it over the full length ones on our R1.

DMNTD

[5150]

When I ride I only seem to use 2 fingers on brake and same on clutch. My only concern for the shorties is that usually when I stop at the lights and if in gear I tend to use 4 fingers on clutch as otherwise my hand gets tired. So that would be the only concern I have really. Still using 2 fingers on shorties is no different to giving a 2 finger salut. :laugh:
Maybe I should try practising with one finger then?:innocent:

[5150]

Speaking of clutch, I been told that clutchless gear changes are ok providing that:
A) you build up suitable revs.
B) you are using someone elses bike :innocent:

On a contrary (sp?) I have also heard that not using clutch drastically reduces gearbox life. so which is it then? :confused:

[imdying]

Long clutch and shorty brake for me.

[boman]

I have been investigating Pazzo's and have been swayed that way. But noone is stocking the green ones at the mo. My next choice is Gold with Red adjusters.<_<

Have you tried the website. Order direct. Pick and choose all sorts of colour options, and quick delivery. I struck the couriers just right. Ordered Friday Morning, and got them Monday Afternoon. From Canada. Great service.

[LBD]

Fan of shorties my self...fitted Syntos to all my recent bikes.

I like to keep my last 2 fingers wrapped around the grips and and use index and middle fingers on the levers....then, when squeezing a lever I don't jam my last 2 fingers, neither do the last 2 fingers get in the way of full lever travel.

I had the occasional bad habit of rolling on the throttle while squeezing the brake. Keeping two fingers wrapped around the throttle has minimized this.

Also with four fingers on the brembos (with out ABS) I had been known to do an occasional stoppie, and would regularly over brake...with only 2 fingers on the brake I am less likely to do a stoppie, can pull up in a quick more controlled fashion and have developed a smoother riding style.

Thats my 2 cents worth

[5150]

I went to Pazzo site but they don't have Green as a colour option for the short lever, only for standard length :no:

Mind you Gold ones might look ok on the Green Monster

[BAY CITY MOTORCYCLES]

I went to Pazzo site but they don't have Green as a colour option for the short lever, only for standard length :no:

Mind you Gold ones might look ok on the Green Monster

My Zed used to be Kwaka green and I had the gold Pazzo's. Looked wicked!

[5150]

I was just about to order from Pazzo website, then I thought I might as well check out Ebay, and I fould a set of Titax GP Shorties for $125US with free shipping. Aparently they were last of stock hence down from the usual $220US price. Only thing is that they are Black, but I can live with that. (for now) :laugh:

[DMNTD]

I was just about to order from Pazzo website, then I thought I might as well check out Ebay, and I fould a set of Titax GP Shorties for $125US with free shipping. Apparently they were last of stock hence down from the usual $220US price. Only thing is that they are Black, but I can live with that. (for now) :laugh:

Anodising will solve the 'issue'

[5150]

Anodising will solve the 'issue'

Especially that I work for a company where we have an anodising plant right next door :shifty:

[ynot slow]

Bike has shorty pazzos on it,my old bike I used standard length,but the shorties are ok on the gixr

[ckai]

I was just about to order from Pazzo website, then I thought I might as well check out Ebay, and I fould a set of Titax GP Shorties for $125US with free shipping. Aparently they were last of stock hence down from the usual $220US price. Only thing is that they are Black, but I can live with that. (for now) :laugh:

I was gonna say if you wanted to know what the Pazzo gold will look like on your bike you can have a look at my levers. They're an interesting gold. Much more yellow than the Titax ones. And of course, since Triumph changed the colour of the forks for the 09 + Daytona's they don't match :) Inconsiderate bastards! Since you're going with black, doesn't matter.

I was contemplated getting black with maybe gold adjusters but then they won't stand out haha.

The other good thing about shorties is it takes a lot to get them in the way when your bike is tumbling in the air ;)

For what it's worth, I use 3 fingers on the clutch (shortie) and sometimes 4 when I stop. I would never go full length again and would always change my levers. They feel heaps nicer in the hand and when you're on a track, that helps. I should really ask my wife what she thinks of them now since she hated them to start with.

[ckai]

do they have to be made for specific models of bike?

I don't think anyone answered this...yeah they do. In saying that, some levers can go on other bikes. To be honest, I don't know if any of the "sports levers" are made for tractors (;)). Black ones would look bloody cool though and you'll love the feel.

You should fire out some emails to the companies and see what they say.

[5150]

Yessss, impatiently waiting for mine.......:wait:

[otter]

My brakes require me to pull the lever in more and more to stop over time (even after bleeding them, pads wearing down I guess) my VTR250 doesn't have any sort of adjustment on the brake lever to keep it from jamming my fingers (I brake with two fingers, others on throttle).
I've just ordered some adjustable levers (length and distance) that also fold up: http://raceevolution.co.nz/123/parttpl/shopproduct_details/16850 I'll let you know how they go when I get them. I can't wait :)

[nzspokes]

My brakes require me to pull the lever in more and more to stop over time (even after bleeding them, pads wearing down I guess) my VTR250 doesn't have any sort of adjustment on the brake lever to keep it from jamming my fingers (I brake with two fingers, others on throttle).
I've just ordered some adjustable levers (length and distance) that also fold up: http://raceevolution.co.nz/123/parttpl/shopproduct_details/16850 I'll let you know how they go when I get them. I can't wait :)

:shit:

Get that brake checked. It wont be the lever. Check the brake hose, leaks in the caliper and re-bleed.

[5150]

My brakes require me to pull the lever in more and more to stop over time (even after bleeding them, pads wearing down I guess) my VTR250 doesn't have any sort of adjustment on the brake lever to keep it from jamming my fingers (I brake with two fingers, others on throttle).
I've just ordered some adjustable levers (length and distance) that also fold up: http://raceevolution.co.nz/123/parttpl/shopproduct_details/16850 I'll let you know how they go when I get them. I can't wait :)

Yup. I'd be checking your brake system before going and changing levers. I would put new pads and bleed the system first before anything else. Check for leaks. Check hoses for signs of brittle. etc. Shorter lever won't solve your fading brake problem.:shit:

[HenryDorsetCase]

My brakes require me to pull the lever in more and more to stop over time (even after bleeding them, pads wearing down I guess) my VTR250 doesn't have any sort of adjustment on the brake lever to keep it from jamming my fingers (I brake with two fingers, others on throttle).
I've just ordered some adjustable levers (length and distance) that also fold up: http://raceevolution.co.nz/123/parttpl/shopproduct_details/16850 I'll let you know how they go when I get them. I can't wait :)

how old is your VTR? if its more than say five years old you might have a fucked old rubber hose. You can get a steel hose made up for cheap-ish. And dont piss about, brakes are pretty bloody important.

[DEATH_INC.]

My brakes require me to pull the lever in more and more to stop over time (even after bleeding them, pads wearing down I guess) my VTR250 doesn't have any sort of adjustment on the brake lever to keep it from jamming my fingers (I brake with two fingers, others on throttle).
I've just ordered some adjustable levers (length and distance) that also fold up: http://raceevolution.co.nz/123/parttpl/shopproduct_details/16850 I'll let you know how they go when I get them. I can't wait :)
I suggest two things, clean all the crap off the pistons where they protrude from the seals and push them right back in, then pump 'em out again ( the stiction on the seals can cause 'em to pull the pistons back to the original position, so they don't take up the slack when the pads wear down...Hondas seem to be bad for this ) This will 'reset' them.
And a braided line (s)

[bismarck]

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All good:cool:

[5150]

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All good:cool:

Very sexy :drool:
What brand?

[5150]

245944245945

THEY ARRIVED!!!:wings:

A small box was awaiting me when I got home for lunch. Fitted them straight away. They look and feel friggin awsim. YAY!!!!!:Punk:

[bismarck]

Very sexy :drool:
What brand?

The levers? From ebay.

[manxkiwi]

Hey what's with those half metal grips? Is it purely bling, or is there actually a half decent reason for having them? I'd imagine losing grip when wet or whatever. Each to their own of course, I was just wondering.

[DEATH_INC.]

Will have a chat with someone tomorrow for you :drinknsin
How'd ya go with the chain adjusters...I been thinking of some too....

[5150]

Hey what's with those half metal grips? Is it purely bling, or is there actually a half decent reason for having them? I'd imagine losing grip when wet or whatever. Each to their own of course, I was just wondering.

With those I believe you can adjust the length of the lever. from full length down to a shortie.

[BAY CITY MOTORCYCLES]

How'd ya go with the chain adjusters...I been thinking of some too....

Bit of a fail sorry mate :facepalm:

[manxkiwi]

With those I believe you can adjust the length of the lever. from full length down to a shortie.

Yeah I can see that. It was the grips I was asking about. Cheers.

[5150]

Yeah I can see that. It was the grips I was asking about. Cheers.

Ahh, sorry. my bad. :innocent:

[ckai]

Yeah I can see that. It was the grips I was asking about. Cheers.

Just to answer your question after all this time, bling factor. Although they're apparently VERY comfy. I've never heard complaints from anyone about slipping as I've often thought about that. The rubber on the outsides on most of them is meant to take care of that.

[Geeen]

Just to answer your question after all this time, bling factor. Although they're apparently VERY comfy. I've never heard complaints from anyone about slipping as I've often thought about that. The rubber on the outsides on most of them is meant to take care of that.

Kinda. The metal is in a high wear place on the grips so they don't wear so fast, the rest of the grip is a gel so its awesomely comfy and stops a lot of vibes. Plus they look horny.

247405

[ckai]

Kinda. The metal is in a high wear place on the grips so they don't wear so fast, the rest of the grip is a gel so its awesomely comfy and stops a lot of vibes. Plus they look horny.

247405

How do you find the mirrors? I was thinking of maybe getting the exact ones for the Daytona after my significant other had a boo-boo.

[Geeen]

How do you find the mirrors? I was thinking of maybe getting the exact ones for the Daytona after my significant other had a boo-boo.

They're fine. For a start I'm using cheapie mirrors from these guys
http://www.bikestore.co.nz/products.asp?category=83
good to deal with and not a bad product. They'd work better with shorty levers as full length levers tend to touch depending on the mirrors position.

[imdying]

That site has continued to improve :scooter:

[HenryDorsetCase]

Agreed. I got a Fender "extenda" [sic] from them a couple of weeks ago: excellent to deal with.

Oh, I'm a convert to short levers too. it helps to have a bike with decent brakes though.

[manxkiwi]

Just to answer your question after all this time, bling factor. Although they're apparently VERY comfy. I've never heard complaints from anyone about slipping as I've often thought about that. The rubber on the outsides on most of them is meant to take care of that.


Cool, thanks guys. BTW I've got Titax shorties on the Trumpy, love them. As stated, they're fine as long as you have a light clutch (check) and awesome front brake (check). I only ever used two on the front anyway. Three on the SV though.

Cheers.

[TIBLE_90]

Wow, I was thinking about shorty levers today and was gona post up the same question that this thread started with. Glad I looked around first :yes: Reading this thread has def pushed me towards getting some short pazzo's for my bike :)

[HenryDorsetCase]

With those I believe you can adjust the length of the lever. from full length down to a shortie.

hacksaw and file styles?

[shonofear]

hey, looking at geting some for my GSF 250 Bandit and since all the versions never mention if they will fit my bike, will the GSF 600/1200 fit ?
really want some black and red shorties, was considering doing the whole China ebay thing, $70- NZ plus the wait...
then again found the same ones from China on Trademe for $100- bucks

on a side note, bar end mirrors on clip on type handle bars, how hard would it be to see behind? i was pretending i had some and have to look quite far down taking more time hence more dangerous. ill do some searchin now though for opinions.
cheerz

[PrincessBandit]

I have ridden with both clutch and brake levers shortened to snap off point as a result of connecting with the ground :pinch: I quite liked them like that. Will look to blinging Millie with them as funds permit, they have to be blue though :shit:

Hmmm, same experience with my 650 on one of our sojourns down south. Went over both sides and ended up with ugly shortened clutch and brake levers. Rode all the way home to Aucks from Wgtn with them like that. Wasn't half bad though, except that I kinda missed the little knobby bits on the ends.

[Mad-V2]

I love my shorty levers, makes the bike feel a bit sportier, except I need a can of spinach to pull the clutch in due to barnet springs.
But I haven't seen mention of FPRacing foldable levers (http://www.fpracingusa.com/) in here yet.
Although they are not cheap, they are very high quality and have a cool name, unlike Pazzo......


Here are mine, they came with free engraving

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[TIBLE_90]

Have had my shorty levers for a wee while now. I love them, they make such a difference. Don't think I'll ever want to go back to regular length.

[FROSTY]

Just one quesation guys. What happens to the "loose" fingers in a crash? No I DON'T know I'm just asking and wondering if actually they might get crushed between lever ball end and whatever you crash into.

[5150]

Just one quesation guys. What happens to the "loose" fingers in a crash? No I DON'T know I'm just asking and wondering if actually they might get crushed between lever ball end and whatever you crash into.

Won't know till we try it :laugh:

But seriously, look at it from the opposite direction. with full length your whole hand would be squashed between lever and bar i guess. MX guys been using these for donkeys years in MX and SX, with lots of big crashes. So they must be ok or they would never be used

[ckai]

Just one quesation guys. What happens to the "loose" fingers in a crash? No I DON'T know I'm just asking and wondering if actually they might get crushed between lever ball end and whatever you crash into.

I wasn't stupid enough to be holding on to the bars with my crash. If you're going to crash or in the process of crashing, the last thing you'll be thinking about is, "shit, where do I put my fingers" :)

To be honest, I'd much rather have shorties in a crash situation as they're less likely to break off.

If your fingers are going to be getting 'crushed', it's not going to be from the levers crushing them, it'll be from the force that has been applied to the levers.

[DrunkenMistake]

Just one quesation guys. What happens to the "loose" fingers in a crash? No I DON'T know I'm just asking and wondering if actually they might get crushed between lever ball end and whatever you crash into.

Dont crash,
Sorted.

[Brian d marge]

the whole clutch system is a symbiotic relationship, between force on lever and travel,
Some people like to fit heavy duty springs thinking it will cure slip,,, now add a short lever .....one hell of a great ,,Wayne king hand will develop....
In a crash my lever per chase are left loose, so that they move easily,
on my MX bike I have the softest springs I can get and an extra plate, and modded throw levers and still its not " one finger ",,,no hydraulic as its VHS and wasn't period ( stand to ne corrected please ..)
at the end of the day horses for courses,
I personally like a light clutch, so go with a longer lever.....it if its bearable ( most japanese clutches are of a light lever ) then go for the short .....

Stephen

[FastBikeGear]

We sell Shortys regular. And folding levers Tiatx and Pazzo brands. Here's some thoughts and observations

Short levers have the advantage of not being so likely to be damaged in a crash.
Short levers are great for two finger braking - avoids your other unused fingers getting trapped between the bar and lever.
Long levers allow you to use your little finger for fine control
Don't change your riding style to suit your levers - match your levers to your preferred braking method (2 or 4 fingers)
Fold up levers are great for racing but we discourage them for road use and insist you use our Woodcraft brake lever protectors with them now. The issue for road users is that if someone folds up your lever while you are parked you may not notice until you reach the first corner.
Titax are a better quality than Pazzo. (Better alloys, TUV certified, proper bearings). but Pazzos are slightly cheaper and still better quality than the non brand name levers on Trademe, etc.
Titax also offer optional radial bend lever to stop lever coming too close to the bar with bikes fitted with radial master cylinders
All Titax parts are available separately - should the unthinkable happen, you want to change colours or lengths, or swap your levers onto another bike.