Aftermarket indicator legality?

[bastardsquad]

So the rules are this:

Permitted equipment
1. One pair of cornering lamps fitted as OE.
10. A cornering lamp that is affected by a modification:must meet equipment, condition and performance requirements.

Reasons for rejection
c) a lamp that:was not originally fitted by the motorcycle
manufacturer

An original equipment (OE) lamp is one that is fitted by the vehicle manufacturer in the original position, or is an
equivalent replacement or aftermarket lamp suitable for the position provided by the vehicle manufacturer for that lamp. All
other lamps are considered retrofitted (non-OE).

SO: In theory the mini LED indicators are a WOF fail then? Im contemplating an integrated LED tail light/indicator assembly...anyone got a WOF with these?

[AllanB]

In theory they would need to be suitably 'numbered' to comply ie be 'E' marked or similar.

I have run non stock indicators on bikes for years (including my current Hornet) but they have all be 'numbered' so I've never had a issue.

Some of those mini/micro turn signals are of 'Chinese' import and will not comply. Oxford brand ones that are available from your bike shops are all legal and correctly marked as such.

[bastardsquad]

Hmmm...strange that the WOF regs make no mention of the requirement for an E - mark to be present on the lamps....what does this symbol mean? Does it imply it meets the brightness/wiew angle requirements?

[imdying]

SO: In theory the mini LED indicators are a WOF fail then? Im contemplating an integrated LED tail light/indicator assembly...anyone got a WOF with these?Sure with mini LEDs, but not with integrated units, although I know a couple of people who have.

[davereid]

You need the correct ones for VINNING. But any aftermarket indicators are fine for a WOF as the WOF standard is lower and doesnt require original equipment. As long as they are adeqyatly bright, flash at the correct rate and provide indication to the user of lamp failure you will get a WOF.

[vifferman]

There are other considerations though. F'rexample - my VFR as standard has stoopid stcky-outy pointy confirminators, that offer exellent visibility of your intention to turn (or indeed, to confirm the manouevre you just made wasn't an accident). However (but!) if the bike happens to topple onto its side, said OEM confirminators will proceed to smash their way through both inner and outer fairing panels before expiring in a shower of little bits of orange plastic.
So.... I replaced them with some much sleeker and less DumboEar-like ones. But (however!), despite being suitably bright and suitably E-marked, the new confirminators don't actually meet the letter of the law, being as how they are not readily visible from an agle of 45-degrees to the opposite side of frontwards. That is, if I'm indicating to turn right, someone to the left of front of me can't necessarily see them blinking my intention. It's not a HUGE problem, as I'm aware of this lack, and my tame WOF guy doesn't give a rat's about it. (I've also made allowances for it by fitting some small, bright LEDs inside the fairing to help with this). NO problem so far, but a picky Plod could well ticket me for this (and for my non-OEM Satantune zorst with removable restrictor, which also violates standards (and at times, quiet neighbourhoods...)

[bogan]

In a few months I'll have no original lights on mine at all. The replacements are emarked for tail and indicators, and a stock marked headlight lens from a FZR400. Should be good enough, I think a few WOF places do enforce the E-marked policy.

Ducatilover and I just ordered a set of indicators each for 35NZ per set of four, with e-markings, cheap as chips so why not go for the E-marked stuff I reckon.

[Aristocat]

You need to ask yourself what you care about the most.

1. Getting a WOF: Find someone who will let whatever you have through. Its only once every six months; and there are plenty of WOFers who will turn a blind eye

2. Not getting a ticket: Depends on the cop who pulls you over. OE will be fine; anything else becomes their discretion (from what I've heard)

3. Having a unique sweet-looking ride: Do as you please; everything and everybody else is secondary

4. Being as visible as possible to other road users: OE is usually pretty good in this respect, but you'll no doubt want to add so many extra turn signals to your BMW tourer that people will mistake you or your fluoro vest for the sun

Personally I have no OE indicators; but I like the look I've achieved, I get a WOF every time, and have never had any attention from the constabulary. It's about being aware of other road users and making your intentions clear using other means if you think they might not be clear enough (given whatever situation or signal set you have)

[AllanB]

Bikes are one of the few road going vehicles that you can still modify a fair bit without needing compliance certificates.

If the fat bugger who sits in his office and decides on who can do what realises this one day we'll need to get a certificate for changing your handlebars!

[DrunkenMistake]

I do alot of my own maintenance on my bike and I frequent the local bike shop and am on good terms with its owner, if there was something not right he would be the first to bring it up, his gain or not,
Thought I would clear that part up,
I have a local garage like 4 doors down, the guys a drunk and will wof an elephant if he had one pull up,
In-fact I think I took down my rego number, vin number, km's and he brought me back a wof 30 mins later..
But im planning on doing a bike shop Wof once every 6 months for good measure.
until he moves or what have you I wont have problems with a Wof, BUT I have never had a problem from the picky plod I have met about my non stamped Chinese LED blinkers..

In a month or so, im going to have one original light on my bike and it will be one of the head lights, im doing a suzuka styled bike using after market fairings, even has an aftermarket spot light (unmarked) and the tail light and indicators are also, unmarked,
So we will see how I go.. im more worried about the headlight as it will be on the left of the bike (sitting on it) not sure if this will be a Wof issue or not, cant see why not as R1's/R6's have the left light on as a running light/low beam.

[Owl]

Im contemplating an integrated LED tail light/indicator assembly...anyone got a WOF with these?

I've had several WoF's with an integrated taillight. In saying that, I always take it to a bike shop for the WoF, because they're more understanding and practical.

[bastardsquad]

You need to ask yourself what you care about the most.1. Getting a WOF: Find someone who will let whatever you have through. Its only once every six months; and there are plenty of WOFers who will turn a blind eye
2. Not getting a ticket: Depends on the cop who pulls you over. OE will be fine; anything else becomes their discretion (from what I've heard)
3. Having a unique sweet-looking ride: Do as you please; everything and everybody else is secondary
4. Being as visible as possible to other road users: OE is usually pretty good in this respect, but you'll no doubt want to add so many extra turn signals to your BMW tourer that people will mistake you or your fluoro vest for the sun
Personally I have no OE indicators; but I like the look I've achieved, I get a WOF every time, and have never had any attention from the constabulary. It's about being aware of other road users and making your intentions clear using other means if you think they might not be clear enough (given whatever situation or signal set you have)
Getting the WOF is the most crucial part, I don't attract the attention of the PoPo very often, and theyre usually more interested in licence/rego/wof/traffic rules than reconfirming the WOF inspectors assessment. Thinking about it, the integrated tail light indicator is flush with the rear fairing/body and cannot be seen at a 90 degree angle , whilst the current OE ones can....im sure they could be seen at a 45 degree angle tho.Road safety is number 2 consideration (no WOF means it wont be on the road anyway!)...my front indicators are highly visible from front and side angles and for turning, theyre probably the more crucial ones. Might give it a go, see what happens...

[98tls]

In a few months I'll have no original lights on mine at all. The replacements are e marked for tail and indicators, and a stock marked headlight lens from a FZR400. Should be good enough, I think a few WOF places do enforce the E-marked policy.

Ducati Lover and I just ordered a set of indicators each for 35NZ per set of four, with e-markings, cheap as chips so why not go for the E-marked stuff I reckon.

There's no such requirement re the e marking thing,there's not much on my bike that hasn't been changed and have long since had all the WOF shit fights,when i bought my undertray so to be rid of all the oem plastic shit hanging off the back my local Suzuki dealer wouldnt give me a wof because of the aftermarket tail lights/ indicators built into it,fair call i said and just went elsewhere,month or 2 later they rang me after having the WOF guy call in, apologised for there mistake re the markings and havent had a problem since.

[FJRider]

... month or 2 later they rang me after having the WOF guy call in, apologised for there mistake re the markings and havent had a problem since.

You went BACK to them ... ??? :confused:

[BMWST?]

i think some of you guys are missing the real point.regardless of WOF,vin,e mark or not can you see the bloody things.I was following a bike the other day and he slowed in the middle of the lane for no reason it was only as he actually nearly stopped and made his turn(as the brake light went of) that i noticed the pathetic small dim quickly flashing indicator!
Make sure they are visible,esp the rear one when the brake light is on!

[bogan]

There's no such requirement re the e marking thing,there's not much on my bike that hasn't been changed and have long since had all the WOF shit fights,when i bought my undertray so to be rid of all the oem plastic shit hanging off the back my local Suzuki dealer wouldnt give me a wof because of the aftermarket tail lights/ indicators built into it,fair call i said and just went elsewhere,month or 2 later they rang me after having the WOF guy call in, apologised for there mistake re the markings and havent had a problem since.

hmmm, now I'm trying to think why I was sure you were supposed to have them e-marked :scratch:

vehicle lighting standards (http://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/rules/vehicle-lighting-2004.html#33)

NZTA component standards (http://www.nzta.govt.nz/vehicle/classes-standards/list.html#component)

I'm thinking that the E marking is proof that the light is manufactured to a compliant standard, but DIY or other jobbies may also meet the standard and thus be acceptable. However it's hard to judge the later, so wof places demand the former. Also worth noting, is low volume vehicle certers don't do anything with lighting, so it's not a case of getting the lights certed as some other serious mods need to be.

[98tls]

hmmm, now I'm trying to think why I was sure you were supposed to have them e-marked :scratch:

vehicle lighting standards (http://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/rules/vehicle-lighting-2004.html#33)

NZTA component standards (http://www.nzta.govt.nz/vehicle/classes-standards/list.html#component)

I'm thinking that the E marking is proof that the light is manufactured to a compliant standard, but DIY or other jobbies may also meet the standard and thus be acceptable. However it's hard to judge the later, so wof places demand the former. Also worth noting, is low volume vehicle certers don't do anything with lighting, so it's not a case of getting the lights certed as some other serious mods need to be.

No idea on the ins n outs mate but do know the local Suzuki bloke is a real stickler re the rules and WOFs so for him to ring me and say he was wrong and the WOF guy put him right is good enough for me.Like a lot of things you read and hear about "old wives tales" comes to mind.:laugh:

[Teflon]

SO: In theory the mini LED indicators are a WOF fail then? Im contemplating an integrated LED tail light/indicator assembly...anyone got a WOF with these?


My recent wof was through vtnz with black flush mount led indicators fitted.