Where to find F3 rules?

[slowpoke]

Can anybody point me in the right direction?

The Superlite reg's are easy to enough to find and digest online at MNZ but I don't know where to find the F3 particulars.

Is it basically just open slather based purely on capacity? Do you have to run an OEM airbox on an SV650 based F3 bike or is that just for the national Superlite class?

Any info would be much appreciated. No, I'm not getting an F3 bike, I need all the horsepower I can get to make up for my teeny tiny willy.

[Grumph]

Buddah.....respond please - whatcha doing to F3 ?

[scott411]

f3 got renamed superlight didn't it?

[crazy man]

lm shore your mean't to run the standard airbox on an SV650 but who will no if you don't lol

[slowpoke]

f3 got renamed superlight didn't it?

Isn't that only a National class? Don't we still run F3 at club level, street races, Tri-Series etc? Doesn't worry me, but I just need to know one way or the other.

Edit: my poxy work IT system won't let me open up the Vic Club website to check an entry form.

[Grumph]

f3 got renamed superlight didn't it?

Thank you...just call me a blind old bugger....what's slowpoke's excuse ?

[Shaun]

superlight IS F3

[lostinflyz]

The only rule of club racing is there are no rules.

[steveyb]

The only rule of club racing is there are no rules.

This is actually true (with regard to classes at least), from an MNZ viewpoint.
Clubs set their own class rules, but most base them on the MNZ class rules either past, present or mixtures thereof.

I think there is something on the Vic Club site, I think.

[slowpoke]

Aaaargh! I know all Superlite bikes are F3 bikes, but I'm not so sure all F3 bikes are eligible for Superlite. Just as all our national Superbikes are eligible for F1 but not all F1 bikes are eligible for Superbike. For example I could turn up with a carbon fibre monocoque 1100cc GSXR1000 next year and be eligible for a club/street F1 meeting, but it's obviously not eligible for Superbike. Or even fit something as simple as a slipper clutch on an early GSXR1000 and it's cool at club level but no good for the Nationals.

And Randy Mamola couldn't race at a national Superlite meeting with a carbon fibre fairing on his SV650 (specifically prohibited by MNZ) ...........but I think it's OK under F3 rules. And F3 is what most of the clubs and street meets run. For example, this is the AMCC class list from an entry form:

125 GP, F4 Buckets, Hyosung 250 ProLites , 250 GP, Formula 3, 650 Pro Twins, Open Pro Twins
CTAS Formula Auckland , S1 and S2 Motards, Formula 2, 150 Street Stock
Post Classic, Pre 89 junior and Senior, Clubman's and Sidecars

And on NZSBK the Vicclub middleweight class is variously called "Superlite/Protwins/125GP" when mentioning entries..........then called "Superlite/F3" in the results. (the work IT system won't let me access the Vicclub website)

And from the Burt Munro Challenge website:
•The event will be run under MNZ General Road Racing Rules and these Supplementary Regulations.

with these classes:
Formula 1; Formula 2; Formula 3; Super Motard; BEARS Milwaukee Iron; Girder Forks Classics; Pre 63 Classics; 250 class pre 72, and pre 82; 350 Class pre 72; 351-open class pre 72, and pre 82, and pre 89.

Except these are no longer valid classes going by MNZ, so what are they referring to?

I've got no problem having looser rules for F1/F2/F3 outside the Nationals, it lets pretty much anything on track, which is great. But what happens if someone protests that carbon fairing, or slipper clutch, or sexy airbox?

[Grumph]

It comes down to whatever the organising club has put in the supplementary regs...
Or not put....
With F3 not on the books under that name, any club advertising an F3 class is going to have to specify just what they mean...

I can't say I'm in favour of calling classes "super this or that" - where does it stop ?
Post classic becomes "Super classic" Pre 63 becomes "Super expensive" Sidecars become "Super -trikes" etc etc

[Billy]

And Randy Mamola couldn't race at a national Superlite meeting with a carbon fibre fairing on his SV650 (specifically prohibited by MNZ)

Why not?Bodywork is open for Superlite!

[slowpoke]

But what happens if someone protests that carbon fairing, or slipper clutch, or sexy airbox?


Why not?Bodywork is open for Superlite!

:doh: Bloody hell, I'm getting myself confused now, haha. Yup, bodywork is free in Superlite. Better example would be turning up with carbon fairings in F1 or F2, or aftermarket wheels in F1/F2 at club meets as Biggles and Stroudy have done in the past. No problems at club level, but they're not kosher at National level.

Hopefully we'll find out shortly, although I can see some heads being scratched raw in the future, haha.

[Billy]

:doh: Bloody hell, I'm getting myself confused now, haha. Yup, bodywork is free in Superlite. Better example would be turning up with carbon fairings in F1 or F2, or aftermarket wheels in F1/F2 at club meets as Biggles and Stroudy have done in the past. No problems at club level, but they're not kosher at National level.

Hopefully we'll find out shortly, although I can see some heads being scratched raw in the future, haha.


What,FREE!!!! No way,Ive gotta eat you know Haha,

Its pretty simple really Spud,For National championship meetings and those without Supp regs,Its as the rules are stated on the MNZ website (Dont forget to check these regularly as they are subject to change),At club level or any meeting with supp regs its as stated in their particular regs,Its up to the competitor to check and ensure their machine fits the necessary regs.

[lostinflyz]

or just not check and ride.....

ive raced against 749's and 600's in f3 before


only rules that matter are those that are checked or that you would protest on

[Deano]

or just not check and ride.....

ive raced against 749's and 600's in f3 before


only rules that matter are those that are checked or that you would protest on

And you don't care unless they are beating you ! :confused:

[codgyoleracer]

:doh: Bloody hell, I'm getting myself confused now, haha. Yup, bodywork is free in Superlite. Better example would be turning up with carbon fairings in F1 or F2, or aftermarket wheels in F1/F2 at club meets as Biggles and Stroudy have done in the past. No problems at club level, but they're not kosher at National level.

Hopefully we'll find out shortly, although I can see some heads being scratched raw in the future, haha.

Just build to MNZ F3 rules spuddly, - they offer plenty of scope for a more than quick enough bike. One more Ginga supporting the ranks would be good..... ;-)

[slowpoke]

What,FREE!!!! No way,Ive gotta eat you know Haha,

Its pretty simple really Spud,For National championship meetings and those without Supp regs,Its as the rules are stated on the MNZ website (Dont forget to check these regularly as they are subject to change),At club level or any meeting with supp regs its as stated in their particular regs,Its up to the competitor to check and ensure their machine fits the necessary regs.

Yeah, it sounds simple.........but it soon get's complicated when club's refer to MNZ supp reg's for classes that don't exist anymore, as per the Burt Munro example I mentioned.

Interesting situation.


Just build to MNZ F3 rules spuddly, - they offer plenty of scope for a more than quick enough bike. One more Ginga supporting the ranks would be good..... ;-)

Nah, I don't want some common as muck chrome moly framed SV, with ordinary ol' hub centre steered front end, and carbon fibre swing arm.....I want something a lil' bit special, lol.

I'm really keen to have a play in F3, oops I mean Superlite, but that's not so much why I was asking. I'm actually trying to help out a smart cookie I know, but ya never know, if it all works out you may well be lapping me sooner rather than later.