James Smith Carpark (Wellington)

[oneofsix]

Tournament parking have posted a notice that the area in the James Smith carpark currently used for bike parking will no longer be available for bike parking from the 1st of September.

[White trash]

Cunts. One of the few covered, semi secure bike parks in Wellington.

[Dodgy_Matt]

I think you will find James smith car park is WCC owned...

[Paul in NZ]

I think you will find James smith car park is WCC owned...

Jeeze - they are a buncha tricks aint they?

[Bald Eagle]

Am I paranoid or is this sour grapes after BRONZ representations scuppered Report 4 about pay and display parking for motorbikes. :bye::scratch:

Can't be paranoia. According to the map attached to WCC Report 4 this is Tournament Parking not WCC

[Katman]

Am I paranoid or is this sour grapes after BRONZ representations scuppered Report 4 about pay and display parking for motorbikes. :bye::scratch:

Or perhaps for the threat to the RWC?

[oneofsix]

Or perhaps for the threat to the RWC?

are you suggesting we should disrupt the RWC because they are closing the parking area in the James Smith carpark? What a great idea.
Who's in for Katman's RWC protest?

[Bald Eagle]

Or perhaps for the threat to the RWC?

What has the Regional Wellington Council got to do with it ?:laugh:

[Dodgy_Matt]

Am I paranoid or is this sour grapes after BRONZ representations scuppered Report 4 about pay and display parking for motorbikes. :bye::scratch:

Can't be paranoia. According to the map attached to WCC Report 4 this is Tournament Parking not WCC
I am trying to find out..
Tournament Parking have the rights but I do think the WCC own the building...
Please hold caller...

[James Deuce]

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

Sorry, it was either that or, "I told you so".

Oops. It just leaked out.

[Dodgy_Matt]

So the question responce came back as
"The Council used to own it but sold it to Tournament, Council have a contract with them for staff discount on parking."

So I would say Council may have had a small talk to Tournament... :no:

[oneofsix]

So the question responce came back as
"The Council used to own it but sold it to Tournament, Council have a contract with them for staff discount on parking."

So I would say Council may have had a small talk to Tournament... :no:

That would go against the councils statement about trying to get the carparks to open up facilities to motorcyclists.

They were looking at ways to charge for bike parking but looks like they couldn't come up with anything workable.

[Dodgy_Matt]

That would go against the councils statement about trying to get the carparks to open up facilities to motorcyclists.

They were looking at ways to charge for bike parking but looks like they couldn't come up with anything workable.

So they close off the parking completly? :no:

[Parlane]

So they close off the parking completly? :no:

WCC:
How do we charge for bike parking?

Random Guy:
Dunno. But if we get rid of bike parking...
FIXED!

[Dodgy_Matt]

WCC:
How do we charge for bike parking?

Random Guy:
Dunno. But if we get rid of bike parking...
FIXED!

Lets push them in to normal carparks... we can get money that way..

[oneofsix]

So they close off the parking completly? :no:

You have a point. The notice is ambiguous in that is says "This area will no longer be available for motorbike parking". This sort of thing usually means they are not providing an alternative because they haven't indicated there will be an alternative area.

[Bald Eagle]

You have a point. The notice is ambiguous in that is says "This area will no longer be available for motorbike parking". This sort of thing usually means they are not providing an alternative because they haven't indicated there will be an alternative area.

I'm still waiting for them to return my call........

[Dodgy_Matt]

I'm still waiting for them to return my call........

And a little boy waits :wait: :facepalm: :zzzz:

[insomnia01]

God, I love NOT living in the big smoke anymore :2guns::2guns: shit I can park anywhere & not worry about this sort of council bullshit

[Bald Eagle]

Have just been speaking to Erica at Tournament Parking. The primary reason for the change was that one of their account customers requested that whole space under their contract.

They are going to be charging for motorbike parking in the building from now on and are singposting an area of a couple of existing carpark space for motorbikes.

The charge for the James Smith is $50/mth or alternatively if you register your bike in their system for $75.mth you can park in any of their Wellington Buildings.

[Scuba_Steve]

God, I love NOT living in the big smoke anymore :2guns::2guns: shit I can park anywhere & not worry about this sort of council bullshit

Oi, email me one through would ya :laugh:

[Paul in NZ]

Have just been speaking to Erica at Tournament Parking. The primary reason for the change was that one of their account customers requested that whole space under their contract.

They are going to be charging for motorbike parking in the building from now on and are singposting an area of a couple of existing carpark space for motorbikes.

The charge for the James Smith is $50/mth or alternatively if you register your bike in their system for $75.mth you can park in any of their Wellington Buildings.

That customer wouldnt be the council would it?

[mrchips]

That customer wouldnt be the council would it?

Nope, apparently a car yard has paid for this space to store some surplus cars.

Can't blame tournament or WCC on this one.

[Parlane]

Nope, apparently a car yard has paid for this space to store some surplus cars.

Can't blame tournament or WCC on this one.

The council is using this car yard as extra parking for the RWC! [this is a lie]

[Number One]

apparently a car yard has paid for this space to store some surplus cars.

I smell bullshit....anyone else?

Car yard my arse - there's fuck all space there for that

[Dodgy_Matt]

I smell bullshit....anyone else?

Car yard my arse - there's fuck all space there for that
I didnt think you could get a car under there?

[Number One]

I didnt think you could get a car under there?

Probably can't - I've only ever seen bikes parked there have never actually used that space myself

[Hitcher]

The area where bikes park is dead space that can't take cars. I'd be curious to learn what Tournament have planned for that area. I use it myself when I take the bike to work.

[Paul in NZ]

The area where bikes park is dead space that can't take cars. I'd be curious to learn what Tournament have planned for that area. I use it myself when I take the bike to work.

Well it 'could' take a certain number of cars if they were not going to be using the park like a normal car park user....

This is interesting.....

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10747709

It appears that there IS a way for motorcycles to use normal car parks....

[Bald Eagle]

Well it 'could' take a certain number of cars if they were not going to be using the park like a normal car park user....

This is interesting.....

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10747709

It appears that there IS a way for motorcycles to use normal car parks....

Geeze - don't tell WCC about this :facepalm:

[James Deuce]

There are two separate issues. Long term parking for workers commuting via motorcycle and revenue generation via short term parking for WCC. Somehow those issues need to be addressed separately and with a view to solving both problems.

Both parties need to stop confusing them as the same issue.

[Bald Eagle]

The other more significant issue is the failure of Council policy staff to recognize the positive aspects of having motorcycles as part of the overall city transport mix.
When you search the Greater Wellington Regional Council and Wellington City Council documents you find very few references to motorcycles. Those that do appear seem weighted to discourage this transport mode.

The approach taken seems to be focused on getting people into public transport at the expense of any other option.

A motorbike is a personal transport mode choice and as such is as valid as a motorcar, bicycle or bus. This fact seems to have escaped the policy makers.

Overseas studies have been done which clearly prove economic and traffic management benefits for 2 wheeled motor vehicles. Council staff have been supplied with some of this information.

[James Deuce]

Win the big fight through a collection of small scraps. It's called strategy and prevents you getting so mired in the big fight that you achieve nothing.

[Number One]

This is interesting.....

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10747709

It appears that there IS a way for motorcycles to use normal car parks....

IT SEEMS there IS a way for them to RAPE people using CAR PARKS...not just us.

CNUTS

I always end up paying for more than I need and I always try to give it away too - fuck yas!

[Number One]

The approach taken seems to be focused on getting people into public transport at the expense of any other option.

Again I say CNUTS!

Public transport in Wellington is the fucking pitts and also overpriced.




BTW swearing makes ya real fucking cool :bleh:

[Hitcher]

Public transport in Wellington is the fucking pitts and also overpriced.

Public transport is paid by taxpayers, ratepayers and fare payers (commuters). Which one of those do you suggest should pay less?

[Parlane]

Public transport is paid by taxpayers, ratepayers and fare payers (commuters). Which one of those do you suggest should pay less?

Commuters obviously.

[Hitcher]

Commuters obviously.

Commuters currently pay about half of the cost. Given that a condition of the Government/taxpayer contribution is that commuters pay about half of the cost, who do you suggest pays less?

[Parlane]

Commuters currently pay about half of the cost. Given that a condition of the Government/taxpayer contribution is that commuters pay about half of the cost, who do you suggest pays less?

I pay taxes (but not rates, but that wouldn't matter anyway as I'm in CHCH) so I can still make the same conclusion. Commuters.

If you want more people to take public transport. Force them to pay for it.

[Hitcher]

If you want more people to take public transport. Force them to pay for it.

Legislatively it's easier to discriminate against other forms of transport.

[Paul in NZ]

What really gets my goat is if i do go out for a stroll, I spend half my time dodging huge busses each with 0 to 4 people aboard.... Its freakin mental.... No wonder it costs so much to run.

[Paul in NZ]

Legislatively it's easier to discriminate against other forms of transport.

From a legal point of view its far easier for me to stage a revolution and shoot all the lawyers, the govt and everyone else I dont like (its a long list so for brevities sake lets just leave it at that), burn the place to the ground, declare bankruptcy of the old state and start again as utopis on pacificus

According to the guys in the black SUV that follow me about that does not make it 'right' however...

[Number One]

Public transport is paid by taxpayers, ratepayers and fare payers (commuters). Which one of those do you suggest should pay less?

I meant overpriced in the sense that the service you get for your dollar is so poor. I don't use it - it's not worth it to me at all.

[mrchips]

I meant overpriced in the sense that the service you get for your dollar is so poor. I don't use it - it's not worth it to me at all.

What you get for your dollar..... A non-heated carriage full of inconsiderate diseased commuters that is either late, not going or broken down.. if it's not the train thats fucked, it's the infrastructure... fuck that for a laugh.

I done it for 20 years, i have the brain damage to proove it !

[Ocean1]

I meant overpriced in the sense that the service you get for your dollar is so poor. I don't use it - it's not worth it to me at all.

It ain't the best. However I'd guess that what the commuters hand over is about the actual value of the service supplied. On those occasions is is actually supplied, of course. Which means I'm suggesting the portion paid for by ratepayers and by government subsidies represents roughly the costs of the usual inefficiencies.

Fact is it’s not actually cost effective to have so many people congregate in one place to work every day. The only thing keeping it going is the usual shell and pea distortions local and central government resort to when natural market forces produce results they don’t like.

[James Deuce]

What you get for your dollar..... A non-heated carriage full of inconsiderate diseased commuters that is either late, not going or broken down.. if it's not the train thats fucked, it's the infrastructure... fuck that for a laugh.

I done it for 20 years, i have the brain damage to proove it !

I've done it on and off over the last 20 years. I've had alternative transport laid on in the form of a bus 4 times in the last 2 years. It's nowhere near as bad as people make it out to be, or indeed you. It costs me $170 a month. About half that of running a car and a third that of a motorcycle. So they'd need to double the cost before I considered an alternative.

[Number One]

It's nowhere near as bad as people make it out to be, or indeed you. It costs me $170 a month.

That's not much more than I pay to take my car and park.

I take the boy to school on the way to work and given my need to start at odd times I *could* choose to piss about for an extra hour + one way to jump on the bus into town (buses few and far between up here) OR to catch a bus to Jville and then jump on a train...which will probably break down or run late.

Instead I choose to jump in the car and get to and from work in less than 15 minutes each way - when I want/need to, none of this standing on the platform freezing my arse off waiting for yet another train.

I did the train thing for a while there - I was regularly late to work, despite catching a train that was supposed to get me to work with 30 mins spare to walk a 5 minute distance. When hubby was catching it recently to UHutt he had nothing but trouble and at one point was kicked off a train unfairly - left to wait another hour in the freezing driving rain waiting for the next train.

Nah - you couldn't pay me to use public transport. Perhaps it's also because I live so close and work the hours and times that I do but I can come and go as I please and it means I don't have to hire someone to look after my boy and take him to school each day. Aside from the obvious savings there it's something I like to be able to do and that's worth paying for the convenience of using my own vehicle to get to work.

Sorry environment

[James Deuce]

That's not much more than I pay to take my car and park.



I don't think so.

What about Insurance, maintenance costs, petrol, and other consumables? I used to pay around $600 a year on insurance for the bike, $30 pw on gas, a set of tyres every 4 months or so ($5-700 per set), and the odd insurance excess for the bike being knocked over by people who don't leave a note or simply getting blown over in the wind. That's not counting servicing every 6000kms (depending on bike and recommended servicing costs) at anything up to $1100 for full service including valve clearance checks and lubing stuff like steering head and swing arm bushes and suspension linkages.

I ran a car for 6 months and that was cheaper than the bike by a huge margin, but still more than $170 per month with the costs amortised properly. Unlike most people I service my vehicles regularly and change tyres before the belts are showing and even replace fan belts and cam belts before they break.

I have a hell of a lot more "spare" cash not running a vehicle and using public transport. It's a flat $170 per month, no surprises. I'll not go back to using my own vehicle for commuting. I can read on the train. The reading while driving was getting me into trouble.

I don't aim for the train that gets me to work on time. If I do I ring the boss to say I'll be late. Mind you I start at 7am and I've never had any issue with the train at that time of morning. It's the buses that piss me off more than the trains, but even then I'm in a frame of mind with the commute where I just go, "meh" and get the next train/bus. Way less stressful that driving/riding and in Spring/Summer/Autumn I work exercise into my commute by walking to and from the train station, taking the long route home through Belmont Forest park.

[jasonu]

I don't think so.

What about Insurance, maintenance costs, petrol, and other consumables? I used to pay around $600 a year on insurance for the bike, $30 pw on gas, a set of tyres every 4 months or so ($5-700 per set), and the odd insurance excess for the bike being knocked over by people who don't leave a note or simply getting blown over in the wind. That's not counting servicing every 6000kms (depending on bike and recommended servicing costs) at anything up to $1100 for full service including valve clearance checks and lubing stuff like steering head and swing arm bushes and suspension linkages.

I ran a car for 6 months and that was cheaper than the bike by a huge margin, but still more than $170 per month with the costs amortised properly. Unlike most people I service my vehicles regularly and change tyres before the belts are showing and even replace fan belts and cam belts before they break.

I have a hell of a lot more "spare" cash not running a vehicle and using public transport. It's a flat $170 per month, no surprises. I'll not go back to using my own vehicle for commuting. I can read on the train. The reading while driving was getting me into trouble.

I don't aim for the train that gets me to work on time. If I do I ring the boss to say I'll be late. Mind you I start at 7am and I've never had any issue with the train at that time of morning. It's the buses that piss me off more than the trains, but even then I'm in a frame of mind with the commute where I just go, "meh" and get the next train/bus. Way less stressful that driving/riding and in Spring/Summer/Autumn I work exercise into my commute by walking to and from the train station, taking the long route home through Belmont Forest park.

You go through a set of tires every 4 months on an NZ250??? I find that hard to believe mate. Also sounds like you might try doing some of your own servicing and maintainence work to save some $'s too.

[James Deuce]

You go through a set of tires every 4 months on an NZ250??? I find that hard to believe mate. Also sounds like you might try doing some of your own servicing and maintainence work to save some $'s too.

Hahahahahha. You're really funny. Not.

[Paul in NZ]

I agree with Jim (much as it pains me)

Commuting by train is cheaper. It takes a lot longer and its bloody annoying but its cheaper and I usually grab a snooze each direction.

I have a daily 100km commute. Using a mid priced option of a 10 trip ticket = $81.50

Parking is $11.50 per day ($57.50) and even running the Starlet was at least $50 to $60 PW in fuel, the Camry SW is probably $100pw. Bike parking is free (atm) but I really cant be arsed sharing the road with half awake homicdal maniacs....

[Bald Eagle]

In actual dollar terms it may be "cheaper" to use public transport if you do the whole cost of ownership, maintenance etc etc.

The missing values from that approach though are the cost of your time and enjoyment. I have a similar commute to Paul and when adding in travel to and from train station at each end the extra time per day is significant against the time for a direct door to door ride. Then there is the 'value' of the grin factor from being on the bike.

Transport mode choices are about more than just $$$. :scooter:

[Dodgy_Matt]

In actual dollar terms it may be "cheaper" to use public transport if you do the whole cost of ownership, maintenance etc etc.

The missing values from that approach though are the cost of your time and enjoyment. I have a similar commute to Paul and when adding in travel to and from train station at each end the extra time per day is significant against the time for a direct door to door ride. Then there is the 'value' of the grin factor from being on the bike.

Transport mode choices are about more than just $$$. :scooter:
+1
We worked out for a year in monetary costs was going to be around $3700 a year in public transport.
The bike costs more to run but saves me almost 2 hours in time a day.
I can get to work when I want and leave work and be home 20 min later..

Money is not everything.

[Bald Eagle]

+1
but saves me almost 2 hours in time a day.


Money is not everything.

Based on the national average hourly wage of $25/hr thats $250/wk or $12000 p.a for a 48 week working year.

[James Deuce]

Money is not everything.

Not everything, but for some people it requires careful consideration. My public transport costs are about the same as the yearly fuel bill for my Z750 was, partly because I don't use the bus very regularly outside of Winter. In terms of the "wasted" time, it is the ONLY opportunity I get to read. Given that that is by far my most favourite hobby I see that "downtime" as a huge positive. I save money, I get to read. I have no commuting stress.

This means that when I get another bike, I'll actually be able to go on some decent rides from time to time as the bike budget won't be eaten by commuting, and I won't be burned out with climbing in and out of bike gear and having to treat every other commuter as a sub-moron level threat, every-fucking-day. Riding bikes might even be fun! Heaven forbid.

[James Deuce]

Based on the national average hourly wage of $25/hr thats $250/wk or $12000 p.a for a 48 week working year.

No economy views commuting time as "productive time". Unless of course you have public transport that enables remote access to work. Then it's bonus productive time. Getting yourself to and from work is your problem, not your employer's. It's still economically productive because you are consuming when commuting. Someone is making money somewhere from your commute.

[Dodgy_Matt]

Based on the national average hourly wage of $25/hr thats $250/wk or $12000 p.a for a 48 week working year.
Lucky mine is $35 an hour.. lol

[Paul in NZ]

I dont get ANY grin time commuting into wellington... I just plain dont enjoy riding a bike to work in the traffic....

[Dodgy_Matt]

I don’t really have an issue with traffic.
I leave home at 6.20 and I'm at work well before 7.. There is hardly any traffic on the road at that time..
It also means I can leave work at 3.45 and miss all the traffic going home too...

[James Deuce]

I don’t really have an issue with traffic.
I leave home at 6.20 and I'm at work well before 7.. There is hardly any traffic on the road at that time..
It also means I can leave work at 3.45 and miss all the traffic going home too...

I leave home at 6.20 and I'm at work at 6.50 using public transport. Getting home takes aout 50 minutes because of the bus timetable that isn't designed to link with the trains in any way.

[Dodgy_Matt]

I leave home at 6.20 and I'm at work at 6.50 using public transport. Getting home takes aout 50 minutes because of the bus timetable that isn't designed to link with the trains in any way.
Public transport from my place.. is a joke.
No bus's leave my area untill 6.45, that takes me to the train station. I get to the train station at 7.10. catch the 7.25 train. get to town at 7.50 and am at work by 8. and that is if everything is running on time...

Just as bad on the way home.

[Parlane]

Lucky mine is $35 an hour.. lol

We earn good money so we get to choose when we leave :)

My biggest reason for commuting myself is because I get the choice when I go, it's all about freedom.

Also it takes me less time to put on my gear than to walk to the nearest bus shelter.

[jasonu]

Hahahahahha. You're really funny. Not.

Sheesh! I wasn't trying to be funny. It is just that some of the things you said to support your argument for public transport don't add up.

[Parlane]

Sheesh! I wasn't trying to be funny. It is just that some of the things you said to support your argument for public transport don't add up.

His "4 tyre sets every 3 days" statement was about his old bike, a 750 I believe. He prob used to do mad burnouts and other fun stuff and then got caught. Hence having to use the public transportation system.

[James Deuce]

Sheesh! I wasn't trying to be funny. It is just that some of the things you said to support your argument for public transport don't add up.

I'm sorry which bits don't add up? The only bit is that you assumed that my NZ250 (which is in bits - sub-molior is latin for in bits) is one of the bikes I'd commuted on. It isn't.

It was supposed to be 1 set of tyres every 4 months. I have a cognitive deficeit from my accident in early 2010 that I have to wrork really hard on. What I see on the screen when I type is what I expect to be there. It often isn't what ends up on the screen. I keep forgeting that kicking the retarded kid is an acceptable form of entertainment.

[Parlane]

It was supposed to be 1 set of tyres every 4 months.

I believe that is what you wrote. My quote was an exaggeration.


I have a cognitive deficeit from my accident in early 2010 that I have to wrork really hard on.

I don't discriminate, so I can make fun of you the same way I make fun of anyone. :)

[Ocean1]

I have a cognitive deficeit from my accident in early 2010 that I have to wrork really hard on. What I see on the screen when I type is what I expect to be there. It often isn't what ends up on the screen. I keep forgeting that kicking the retarded kid is an acceptable form of entertainment.

There's a name for that? I never needed a smack around the head to be that way, it's all natural-born talent.

[riffer]

Of course, you're all mad though for working in town.

Me I work out of town. I live in Wallaceville and work in Tawa.

My commute is great - through the back of Upper Hutt (Alexander Road, Silverstream, quick lanesplit to Haywards, choice of Paremata Road or Grays Rd, and then another lane split to Tawa then a gentle cruise through Tawa to the old Tawa Junction, where there's free parking at work for at least 500 cars or bikes. I park my bike just outside the front office at work, where it sits out of the rain with the reception team keeping an eye on it.

Counting paying off the bike (I put it on the mortgage), depreciation, insurance, servicing (Valve setting, chain and sprockets, brake pads once a year, oil and filter every 3 months - I do all my own servicing except changing the tyres), tyres (2 sets a year - I get 10,000 kms out of a set of Continental RoadAttacks), petrol and insurance works out about 38 cents a km.

I'm happier than a pig in mud. :laugh:

[Paul in NZ]

Looks like Brendon Motors are using it to park customers cars while they are waiting their turn to be worked on. They used to use the lot behind Zibibo's which was also a paid parking lot as well so it maybe they got turfed out of there

[Hitcher]

It's certainly being used to contain scruffy motor vehicles. I thought it may be a staff carpark of some sort. There's a space just along from the old area marked as being acceptable for "Authorised Motorcycles Only".

[Eyegasm]

I'm sorry which bits don't add up? The only bit is that you assumed that my NZ250 (which is in bits - sub-molior is latin for in bits) is one of the bikes I'd commuted on. It isn't.

It was supposed to be 1 set of tyres every 4 months.

What is so hard to believe about a set of tyres every 4 months?

I ride a 250 and that was the timeframe that my tyres were getting replaced.
or even a set every 3 months. I ripped through a set in 4 weeks in summer (although
that was about the same kms as 4 months commuting!!!)

Wainuiomata hill really destroys tyres as it has an added compound for grip that shreds rubber real quick.

and as for public transport vs bike... 1 1/2+ hours or 20 minutes on the bike.

[Paul in NZ]

It's certainly being used to contain scruffy motor vehicles. I thought it may be a staff carpark of some sort. There's a space just along from the old area marked as being acceptable for "Authorised Motorcycles Only".

Oi! I get my wof's at Brendons.... scruffy indeed..... humpf :angry2:

(well used is more accurate)