RIP last of the intelligent give-way rules

[Scuba_Steve]

As of 0500 March 25 2012 NZ will lose the last logical, intelligent give-way rule in the developed world :bye:. It will be a sad moment in NZ road history as we reverse & re-retard our give-way rule to match the rest of the world & increase our intersection accident rates.

When this come in be sure to take extra care out there bikers, especially the newer riders.
Keep the vigilance up & the accidents down. May we all get through this atrocity to the road rules unscathed.

[scumdog]

I cringe at the number of minor (hopefully) crashes I'll have to attend due to this change - a good thing we were flooded with TV ads, newspaper articles etc about it eh!:whistle::rolleyes:

[FJRider]

... a good thing we were flooded with TV ads, newspaper articles etc about it eh!:whistle::rolleyes:

What channels ... what paper ... ???? :eek5:

[bogan]

I cringe at the number of minor (hopefully) crashes I'll have to attend due to this change - a good thing we were flooded with TV ads, newspaper articles etc about it eh!:whistle::rolleyes:

One hopes we will be when the time comes, but 6 months beforehand would perhaps be inviting additional intersection anarchy.

[Scuba_Steve]

I cringe at the number of minor (hopefully) crashes I'll have to attend due to this change - a good thing we were flooded with TV ads, newspaper articles etc about it eh!:whistle::rolleyes:

ooh ooh ooh, I bet I can guess what 'blitz' you and Ruscat will be running to bring in those donuts following the change.

[FJRider]

ooh ooh ooh, I bet I can guess what 'blitz' you and Ruscat will be running to bring in those donuts following the change.

Which offence (sorry ... Traffic infringement) would gather the MOST revenue ... $$$$$ ... ???? :innocent:

[Indiana_Jones]

I can see this ending well for motorcyclists :yes:....

-Indy

[bsasuper]

Yay, the popo will have another "easy ticket for$$$" to give out.

[FJRider]

I can see this ending well for motorcyclists :yes:....

-Indy

As long as we ALL do not assume ... as we have right-of-way ... we will be GIVEN right-of-way ... :eek5:

Assumptions are the mother of all ACC claims ... :yes:

[2Seat_Terror]

One problem is, whenever they change a road-rule, half the people (including a portion of the police force) get it wrong and just cause frustration for the rest of us. Indicating right to go straight-through a round-a-bout anyone? :pinch:

[Daffyd]

One problem is, whenever they change a road-rule, half the people (including a portion of the police force) get it wrong and just cause frustration for the rest of us. Indicating right to go straight-through a round-a-bout anyone? :pinch:

Dead bloody right!

[scumdog]

Yay, the popo will have another "easy ticket for$$$" to give out.


Too right, bugger them 'hard tickets', too much effort...





(Now if I only knew what an easy ticket is...)

[scumdog]

One problem is, whenever they change a road-rule, half the people (including a portion of the police force) get it wrong and just cause frustration for the rest of us. Indicating right to go straight-through a round-a-bout anyone? :pinch:

True.

Why the eff did they change this law????

[DrunkenMistake]

Thank god I can get my full before the rule change or ill never pass haha,
Someone fire off what the new rule will be please?
I could be clever and search for it but Meh..:sweatdrop

[Jantar]

As of 0500 March 25 2012 NZ will lose the last logical, intelligent give-way rule in the developed world :bye:. It will be a sad moment in NZ road history as we reverse & re-retard our give-way rule to match the rest of the world & increase our intersection accident rates.

When this come in be sure to take extra care out there bikers, especially the newer riders.
Keep the vigilance up & the accidents down. May we all get through this atrocity to the road rules unscathed.

At last we go back to the more sensible give way rule. No longer do we have to give way to a vehicle that is giving way to a vehicle behind us. At last the vehicle that will take the shorter length of time to complete a manouver will have the right of way. Yay...... :woohoo:

[scumdog]

At last we go back to the more sensible give way rule. No longer do we have to give way to a vehicle that is giving way to a vehicle behind us. At last the vehicle that will take the shorter length of time to complete a manouver will have the right of way. Yay...... :woohoo:

And the other poor sod who is waiting to make a right-turn is left high'n'dry in the traffic steam...waiting for a Liberace'...

[neels]

Half the fuckwits on the road don't understand the rules now, so if they keep doing what they're doing in ignorance of the law then we'll just have a different set of fuckwits not understanding the rules.

I'll just keep pointing my bullbars at dickheads that don't give way, mainly for the amusement of watching them going off at me for obeying the road rules.

[Mental Trousers]

As of 0500 March 25 2012 NZ will lose the last logical, intelligent give-way rule in the developed world :bye:. It will be a sad moment in NZ road history as we reverse & re-retard our give-way rule to match the rest of the world & increase our intersection accident rates.

When this come in be sure to take extra care out there bikers, especially the newer riders.
Keep the vigilance up & the accidents down. May we all get through this atrocity to the road rules unscathed.

At last we go back to the more sensible give way rule. No longer do we have to give way to a vehicle that is giving way to a vehicle behind us. At last the vehicle that will take the shorter length of time to complete a manouver will have the right of way. Yay...... :woohoo:

Exactly. I don't know what's intelligent about having a line of cars on the left, a line of cars in the middle of the road and a bunch of idiots shooting the gap between the lines.

Now if someone could get rid of those fucking idiots that slam on the brakes and stop because it's polite to let someone out of their driveway the world will be a better place.

[scumdog]

Now if someone could get rid of those fucking idiots that slam on the brakes and stop because it's polite to let someone out of their driveway the world will be a better place.

Yeah, right-on, fuck courtesy...:bash:

[Scuba_Steve]

At last we go back to the more sensible give way rule. No longer do we have to give way to a vehicle that is giving way to a vehicle behind us. At last the vehicle that will take the shorter length of time to complete a manouver will have the right of way. Yay...... :woohoo:

I don't get you people that think congestion & hold-ups are a good thing :weird:

[Mental Trousers]

I don't get you people that think congestion & hold-ups are a good thing :weird:

So you're saying having 2 lines of traffic stopped on a busy road is better than having one line of traffic?!?!?!

Left-turning is stopped and giving way to right-turning who is stopped and giving way to the straight-through-crowd. Where's the sense in that??

[Urano]

oh...
at last you changed...

it's a pity, i clearly understood the meaning of the rule, and it seemed fine to me.
(even if i never drove down there, so i actually donno if it was practically convenient...)

i believe that all around the world governments are making the same mistake: the problem is not usually a particular "rule" by itself, it's much more frequently the bunch of people that has a license in its pocket and should not....

in italy i'd roughly cut that number in half (simply designing a proper licensing examination), but who is the politician that could do something like that?

[steve_t]

As it is, turning left is too complicated for too many people
.
1. Check left of car for a cyclist, pedestrian or other potential hazard.
2. Check oncoming car to see if they are turning right, making sure to give way if they are.
3. Look in rearview mirror to check if the vehicle behind is going straight ahead and if they are, proceed with left turn.

Too many places too look in a short space of time while braking, changing down gears and guiding the vehicle in the right direction.

[Motu]

I never sat any of my licenses under the current rules - it'll be good to go back to what I understood at the time.

[Scuba_Steve]

So you're saying having 2 lines of traffic stopped on a busy road is better than having one line of traffic?!?!?!

Left-turning is stopped and giving way to right-turning who is stopped and giving way to the straight-through-crowd. Where's the sense in that??

left turn waits for right turn so the right turners don't hold up the straight through on their side, if theres straight through on the left turn side the left turns go round when they come through. It maximizes traffic flow.
The left turners can always pull into the kerb & wait the right turners are stuck in the middle of the lane waiting holding up traffic

[YellowDog]

I say "Good Riddance” to an idiotic rule.

No other country has it and for a very good reason.

Forget to cancel your indicator and end up as road kill AND it will be your own fault - N I C E

The common courtesy of most will mean that the, soon to be obsolete, rule will be still practiced on a voluntary basis; however with a new found safety.

Many in most countries practice this voluntary courtesy and no one else has ever felt the need to make it law.

YES I do agree that the law change will cause heaps of mishaps. I’m not looking forward to that :no:

[scumdog]

left turn waits for right turn so the right turners don't hold up the straight through on their side, if theres straight through on the left turn side the left turns go round when they come through. It maximizes traffic flow.
The left turners can always pull into the kerb & wait the right turners are stuck in the middle of the lane waiting holding up traffic

EXACT-FUCKINGLY-LY true!!:woohoo:

[steve_t]

The good AND bad thing about the rule change is that people will have to drive/ride with their brains engaged. This appears to be quite troublesome to many

[Mental Trousers]

left turn waits for right turn so the right turners don't hold up the straight through on their side, if theres straight through on the left turn side the left turns go round when they come through. It maximizes traffic flow.
The left turners can always pull into the kerb & wait the right turners are stuck in the middle of the lane waiting holding up traffic

But they don't, that's the problem. Works in theory but in practice the left turners can't see the traffic coming straight through because of the piece of shit SUV in their mirror, so they sit there waiting for the right turner. So on roads that are only just wide enough for two lanes the straight through traffic ends up crossing the centreline to get around the stationary left turners, then swing back to the left so they don't head on with the right turners and the straight through traffic heading the opposite way get pissed off at wankers crossing the centre line.

[FJRider]

The good AND bad thing about the rule change is that people will have to drive/ride with their brains engaged. This appears to be quite troublesome to many

About as troublesome as using indicators ... :pinch:

[Scuba_Steve]

But they don't, that's the problem. Works in theory but in practice the left turners can't see the traffic coming straight through because of the piece of shit SUV in their mirror, so they sit there waiting for the right turner. So on roads that are only just wide enough for two lanes the straight through traffic ends up crossing the centreline to get around the stationary left turners, then swing back to the left so they don't head on with the right turners and the straight through traffic heading the opposite way get pissed off at wankers crossing the centre line.

You must have some real bad drivers up there in the Tron, I've never had too much trouble every-so-often you get the morons, most likely the same sort that will wait for EVERYONE on the round-a-bout to be gone before they'll enter, but in general it works, and you don't need to see who's coming behind you as you can turn as the straight through car passes yours.

[steve_t]

You must have some real bad drivers up there in the Tron, I've never had too much trouble every-so-often you get the morons, most likely the same sort that will wait for EVERYONE on the round-a-bout to be gone before they'll enter, but in general it works, and you don't need to see who's coming behind you as you can turn as the straight through car passes yours.

Yup. We have some good'uns. What if there's not enough room for the straight through car to get around the left turning car?

[davebullet]

We're fucked. I'd wager the countries that have this have dual lanes so won't have the traffic backup we'll get. or the queue tries to squeeze between the car being held up turning right and smack a few wing mirrors off, or mow down the pedestrian about to cross.

There'll be carnage before any "improvement" is seen. Fuckin' arse.

[Scuba_Steve]

Yup. We have some good'uns. What if there's not enough room for the straight through car to get around the left turning car?

very, very, very rarely an issue. But that problems just compounded with this new/old rule especially if it's a busy road

[steve_t]

very, very, very rarely an issue. But that problems just compounded with this new/old rule especially if it's a busy road

They seem to manage in every other country in the world where the rule is what we're changing to. Maybe we'll end up needing more traffic lights or science-forbid more roundabouts :eek5:

[rapid van cleef]

this 'new rule' tends not to hold up traffic as they wait to turn right. because there are chevrons in the middle of the road where the car (s) waiting to turn sit and wait..........traffic flows each way until there is a gap though which they can make the right turn. ........very easy and simple

[James Deuce]

Having driven in the UK and France, I'd have to say that I'm pleased to see this change come about. It is so much easier to drive in both of those countries and the utter lack of nasty aggro is such a change from driving in NZ that it is a phenomenal awakening for a Kiwi driver to experience it.

However.

The majority of NZ drivers don't adhere to the current rule.

They'll monumentally fuck up the change over.

Motorcyclists, cyclists and pedestrians will dies as a result.

But that;s cool, because it's OK to kill, maim, injure and generally fuck up people's lives if you're a road user because it's an "accident" and everyone makes "mistakes".

If you ever wonder why I don't like people, it's generally because they think it's OK to kill others if it can be labelled an accident, or an external factor like drunkeness or a hyper-emotional state can be blamed. If you're fucked in the head, stay off the road.

[steve_t]

If you ever wonder why I don't like people, it's generally because they think it's OK to kill others if it can be labelled an accident, or an external factor like drunkeness or a hyper-emotional state can be blamed. If you're fucked in the head, stay off the road.

Me too! But I'm often quoted with a much simpler "People are stupid"

[Mental Trousers]

You must have some real bad drivers up there in the Tron, I've never had too much trouble every-so-often you get the morons, most likely the same sort that will wait for EVERYONE on the round-a-bout to be gone before they'll enter, but in general it works, and you don't need to see who's coming behind you as you can turn as the straight through car passes yours.

Just because the roads down Wellington way are a bit better managed by the council etc doesn't mean there isn't a problem in the rest of the country.

It can get very dangerous on roads that were never designed to be arterial routes but because of changes elsewhere they now carry much higher traffic loads.

[scumdog]

this 'new rule' tends not to hold up traffic as they wait to turn right. because there are chevrons in the middle of the road where the car (s) waiting to turn sit and wait..........traffic flows each way until there is a gap though which they can make the right turn. ........very easy and simple

No such chevrons in your average towns street except maybe the main drag - and then not at every cross-roads.

[bogan]

Just because the roads down Wellington way are a bit better managed by the council etc doesn't mean there isn't a problem in the rest of the country.

It can get very dangerous on roads that were never designed to be arterial routes but because of changes elsewhere they now carry much higher traffic loads.

And with the new rule, you can plan your route to avoid the bulk of right turns. As it is now, you can get held up either way.

Reckon the better traffic flow could go either way, but surely less accidents are likely with the newer approach. (after the concept properly filters through the masses)

[FJRider]

...The majority of NZ drivers don't adhere to the current rule.

With the belief that if they didn't mean to hurt anybody ... :sweatdrop

And changing the rules ... will change THAT ... ??? :pinch:

[AllanB]

Poop.

The older I get (46) the harder it is to adapt to this shit! Hey - 30 years of bad habits now!

What pisses me off is the wankers who still get that darn round-a-bout signalling wrong. Stupid rule IMO as prior to it you gave some respect to all 'about' users, now there is a assumption they are indicating correctly!

[Scuba_Steve]

Just because the roads down Wellington way are a bit better managed by the council etc doesn't mean there isn't a problem in the rest of the country.

It can get very dangerous on roads that were never designed to be arterial routes but because of changes elsewhere they now carry much higher traffic loads.

I've spent the last couple years driving round NZ can't say I've really had a problem anywhere.

[FJRider]

OBVIOUSLY ... What this country needs .... is MORE traffic lights .... :yes::yes::yes:

Less thinking required ... :yawn:

[Urano]

We're fucked. I'd wager the countries that have this have dual lanes so won't have the traffic backup we'll get.

no they don't.

[James Deuce]

We're fucked. I'd wager the countries that have this have dual lanes so won't have the traffic backup we'll get. .

Nah, you know what they have instead? Trained drivers with basic courtesy drummed in. Ive been let across three lanes of the North Circular in peak hour traffic to get into a side road by three lanes of traffic stopping to let me across. I'd never seen anything like it and hesitated and got a friendly, FRIENDLY mind you, wave out a window and a smile to get moving. It happened regularly.

[Hitcher]

Could somebody please tell me how many "foreigners" are killed or maimed driving in New Zealand as a consequence of this current rule? Hitcher's prediction: bugger all.

Could somebody then please tell me how many New Zealanders are killed or maimed driving in other left-hand-side driving countries due to them not understanding the rules that apply in those countries? Hitcher's prediction: fewer than bugger all.

Could somebody please tell me how many New Zealanders will be killed or maimed as a result of changing this right turn rule? Hitcher's prediction: too many.

[steve_t]

Does anyone remember what it was like when they changed it to the current rule in 1977? Was it mayhem on the road? Obviously, it's going to be much worse now due to increased traffic. Just thought I'd see if anyone remembered the last change

[Ocean1]

Does anyone remember what it was like when they changed it to the current rule in 1977? Was it mayhem on the road? Obviously, it's going to be much worse now due to increased traffic. Just thought I'd see if anyone remembered the last change

There was a lot of bitching and prophecies of carnage.

The change produced a few months of confusion, but it wasn't noticed amongst the background confusion caused by the fact that nobody knew the right hand rule OR the left hand law.

FWIW, I prefer the old old, (and new) version.

[Clockwork]

My concern is that in many cases roads are marked up in accordance with the existing rule.

For instance, where opposing flows are both turning into the same road, the left turning traffic (in a left turning lane) has a Give Way line marked across the intersection giving the right turning traffic right of way. Presumably these road markings will continue to hold priority over the new rules and left turning traffic will still be required to give way.

I just hope that this is made real clear either way.

[James Deuce]

My concern is that in many cases roads are marked up in accordance with the existing rule.

For instance, where opposing flows are both turning into the same road, the left turning traffic (in a left turning lane) has a Give Way line marked across the intersection giving the right turning traffic right of way. Presumably these road markings will continue to hold priority over the new rules and left turning traffic will still be required to give way.

I just hope that this is made real clear either way.
Nah. Right turning traffic in that situation is dependant on traffic volume or the courtesy of other road users. Fucked in other words. The left turning person just turns left without a worry.

[nodrog]

They are changing from driving on the lefthand side, to the righthand side of the road for the world cup. This change has come about because a couple of tourists were traumatised as to why the steering wheel in their camper was on the wrong side.

[Ronin]

I for one never assume that because I have right of way I will be given the chance to use it safely.

If in a line of traffic inching towards an intersection, I will open a gap to let people in or through.

[Ronin]

They are changing from driving on the lefthand side, to the righthand side of the road for the world cup. This change has come about because a couple of tourists were traumatised as to why the steering wheel in their camper was on the wrong side.

Breaking news!!!

New Zealand is now being moved to the northen hemisphere due to tourists being traumatised as their poos rotates the wrong way in the toilet bowl... :eek5:

[nodrog]

Breaking news!!!

New Zealand is now being moved to the northen hemisphere due to tourists being traumatised as their poos rotates the wrong way in the toilet bowl... :eek5:

God you talk shit.

[slowpoke]

At last we go back to the more sensible give way rule. No longer do we have to give way to a vehicle that is giving way to a vehicle behind us. At last the vehicle that will take the shorter length of time to complete a manouver will have the right of way. Yay...... :woohoo:

Yup, old rule was a crock since day one. Driving in Oz only confirmed it for me.

[MikeL]

Does anyone remember what it was like when they changed it to the current rule in 1977? Was it mayhem on the road? Obviously, it's going to be much worse now due to increased traffic. Just thought I'd see if anyone remembered the last change

There was no mayhem that I recall. Back in 1977 standards of driving and general common sense were a lot higher; impatience, road-rage and general selfishness were less common.

What there was back in 1977 was a lot of incredulity that the law was changed. I thought it stupid, and still do. I suspect that the inconsistency, and the fact that we were out of sync with the rest of the world, became evident fairly quickly, but reverting to the old rule was impossible because (a) the people who had brought it in would lose face, and (b) changing the law so soon would cause even more confusion. So (not for the first time) a bad law persisted.

I think the two things that now make reverting to the previous law possible are firstly that those responsible for the change in 1977 are either retired or dead, and secondly that the motoring public has become so inured to seemingly arbitrary rule changes and consequent repressive enforcement, and being treated like idiots incapable of using their common sense (a vicious circle if ever there was one) that the police cynically assume that most of us will simply fall into line regardless of any logic involved in the change. And those who don't will be treated in the usual way.

[Scuba_Steve]

I have hear a rumour that maybee someone can confirm or deny???

The rumour is that we will keep the logical current law on "main" roads, to keep the traffic flow, while all others will revert to this unintelligent rule of old???.

[gijoe1313]

They will need to provide special burning bays for those errant motorists! Burn them!

[BoristheBiter]

Ok so now that TPTB have changed this "bad rule" when are they going to fix the uncontrolled intersection rule?
Now that causes more accidents.

[Jantar]

Ok so now that TPTB have changed this "bad rule" when are they going to fix the uncontrolled intersection rule?
Now that causes more accidents.
This IS the uncontrolled intersection rule.

[huff3r]

Yup. We have some good'uns. What if there's not enough room for the straight through car to get around the left turning car?

Then the straight through car stops, allowing the right turning and left turning cars to go on their merry way, actually allowing ALL of the traffic to flow! Funny, wonder how that could work? Well if you follow the rules good and proper it does!!!

:bye: Sensible give-way rules... you will be sorely missed.

(BTW if you think the current rules are confusing, you probably shouldn't be on the road. They should include IQ tests in driver licensing.)

[BoristheBiter]

This IS the uncontrolled intersection rule.

Only part of it.
The part i was meaning was the both cars turning right part.

http://www.nzdriving.com/road_code_images/turn-right-giveway-r-turn.jpg

[bogan]

Only part of it.
The part i was meaning was the both cars turning right part.

http://www.nzdriving.com/road_code_images/turn-right-giveway-r-turn.jpg

Aren't they changing the 'give way to the right' part, to 'give way to the left'?

[steve_t]

Then the straight through car stops, allowing the right turning and left turning cars to go on their merry way, actually allowing ALL of the traffic to flow! Funny, wonder how that could work? Well if you follow the rules good and proper it does!!!

:bye: Sensible give-way rules... you will be sorely missed.

(BTW if you think the current rules are confusing, you probably shouldn't be on the road. They should include IQ tests in driver licensing.)

But often the right turning car can see that there's a car going straight ahead so they give way and it ends up that nobody is going anywhere. OK, maybe there's only confusion for a few seconds but if it happens for every third or fourth car, traffic flow is awful.
Currently, if I'm turning right and there's a car turning left who looks like they're going to give way to me but I can see a car coming behind them that is going straight, I'll point at the car behind them. Almost every single time, it's only then that they look in their mirror, have a look of surprise on their face, and actually make the turn.

[Scuba_Steve]

Only part of it.
The part i was meaning was the both cars turning right part.

http://www.nzdriving.com/road_code_images/turn-right-giveway-r-turn.jpg

This is the only intelligent thing coming out of this rule change isn't it??? They're finally making it how it always should have been, the vehicle entering the road has to give way to the one turning off it.

[Jantar]

Aren't they changing the 'give way to the right' part, to 'give way to the left'?
No, The rule is simple. Give way to traffic on your right. Give way when turning right.
The ONLY time you would give way to traffic on your left is if you are turning right and the other traffic is going straight through.

In the diagram both vehicles are turning right, so both give way. (this makes it a matter of courtesy). Note that the blue car also has a vehicle on its right, so it now has two reasons to give way. The bus only has one reason, so the blue car should allow the bus to go.

[BoristheBiter]

No, The rule is simple. Give way to traffic on your right. Give way when turning right.
The ONLY time you would give way to traffic on your left is if you are turning right and the other traffic is going straight through.

In the diagram both vehicles are turning right, so both give way. (this makes it a matter of courtesy). Note that the blue car also has a vehicle on its right, so it now has two reasons to give way. The bus only has one reason, so the blue car should allow the bus to go.

Yes but the car turning right doesn't know if the bus is sitting at a give way, stop or uncontrolled intersection.
This also applies to drive ways and car parks.

[BoristheBiter]

This is the only intelligent thing coming out of this rule change isn't it??? They're finally making it how it always should have been, the vehicle entering the road has to give way to the one turning off it.

I didn't think they were changing this.

[Jantar]

Yes but the car turning right doesn't know if the bus is sitting at a give way, stop or uncontrolled intersection.
This also applies to drive ways and car parks.

What do you mean? Are you saying that the blue car is unable to see a giveway or stop sign on the side road, and can't see the white line painted halfway across the road if it was a controlled intersection?

Are New Zealand drivers blind? Oh, wait.... yes, most of them are.

[steve_t]

I didn't think they were changing this.

Yeah, they are changing it. The pic in Scuba Steve's post #67 shows that the red bus has the right of way, which it currently does. When the change happens, the blue car will have the right of way, which is the way it should be

[BoristheBiter]

What do you mean? Are you saying that the blue car is unable to see a giveway or stop sign on the side road, and can't see the white line painted halfway across the road if it was a controlled intersection?

Are New Zealand drivers blind? Oh, wait.... yes, most of them are.

I think you answered that your self. I have lost count at the amount of times i have had to stop due the others not giving way.


Yeah, they are changing it. The pic in Scuba Steve's post #67 shows that the red bus has the right of way, which it currently does. When the change happens, the blue car will have the right of way, which is the way it should be

All I have heard is the left turning rule change as discussed above.


Edit I have just found the rule change and yes it is to change my bad carry on.
http://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/rules/road-user-amendment-2011-qa.html

And we get to use the bus lane.

[Zedder]

Yeah, they are changing it. The pic in Scuba Steve's post #67 shows that the red bus has the right of way, which it currently does. When the change happens, the blue car will have the right of way, which is the way it should be

I think I'll still ride as if all motorists are trying to kill me.

[MisterD]

Could somebody please tell me how many New Zealanders will be killed or maimed as a result of changing this right turn rule? Hitcher's prediction: too many.

Depends on how "successful" the advertising campaign is. If TPTB design the campaign to ensure maximum uncertainty and confusion about the rule change (and this thread seems to suggest they're off and running pretty well) then it should result in more care being taken and few accidents...

My tip: buy some 3M shares, they'll do well on masking tape and wet & dry paper to panel beaters.

[Jantar]

...

Edit I have just found the rule change and yes it is to change my bad carry on.
http://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/rules/road-user-amendment-2011-qa.html

....
That clarifies things further. Yes, the rule to coming out of a terminating Rd, (eg a T intersection) is changing to sometning much more logical.

[Scuba_Steve]

And we get to use the bus lane.

We always could, the only change there is we can now use their light signals too (the white 'B') which makes sense as previous we could be in their lane but not use their light which means if they were stuck behind us they were stuck until the regular 'green' light went

[BoristheBiter]

That clarifies things further. Yes, the rule to coming out of a terminating Rd, (eg a T intersection) is changing to sometning much more logical.

I always used to stop as half the time people never gave way.

[BoristheBiter]

We always could, the only change there is we can now use their light signals too (the white 'B') which makes sense as previous we could be in their lane but not use their light which means if they were stuck behind us they were stuck until the regular 'green' light went

Well i didn't know that. mind you i only ever had need for the transit lane coming onto the motorway, other than that i am generally in the cage.

[Eyegasm]

Best give way rule: Biggest vehicle wins.

Quite frankly I do not think I'll be in a state to tell the stupid SUV driver I was in the right when i am stuck under their wheels...

[Max Preload]

At last the vehicle that will take the shorter length of time to complete a manouver will have the right of way. Yay...... :woohoo:Yeah, the vehicle with the least risk will now have right of way too!
:pinch:

[Max Preload]

Only part of it.
The part i was meaning was the both cars turning right part.

http://www.nzdriving.com/road_code_images/turn-right-giveway-r-turn.jpg
That's part of the same rule...
:eek5:

[Spearfish]

left turn waits for right turn so the right turners don't hold up the straight through on their side, if theres straight through on the left turn side the left turns go round when they come through.
The left turners can always pull into the kerb & wait the right turners are stuck in the middle of the lane waiting holding up traffic


Bloody Nora! and the one left standing when the music stops is out of the game?






I'm fucked

[Max Preload]

This is the only intelligent thing coming out of this rule change isn't it??? They're finally making it how it always should have been, the vehicle entering the road has to give way to the one turning off it.Umm that's how it is NOW...:eek5:

[Max Preload]

What I really want to know is... who is going to make a killing off removing all the now redudant GIVE WAY signs at T-intersections?

[BoristheBiter]

That's part of the same rule...
:eek5:


Umm that's how it is NOW...:eek5:

No, at the moment the red bus has right of way.

[BoristheBiter]

What I really want to know is... who is going to make a killing off removing all the now redudant GIVE WAY signs at T-intersections?

no one this is about uncontrolled intersections.

[Gearup]

What I really want to know is... who is going to make a killing off removing all the now redudant GIVE WAY signs at T-intersections?

The panel beating sub department of Transit NZ called Fixit NZ.

[Spearfish]

no one this is about uncontrolled intersections.

Are some controlled?
They haven't been around here lately, in fact its so bad you cant rely on stationary traffic staying stationary on their red or that you will get through an intersection from the front row in two light phases, the sheeple just don't stop.

[HenryDorsetCase]

oh...
at last you changed...

it's a pity, i clearly understood the meaning of the rule, and it seemed fine to me.
(even if i never drove down there, so i actually donno if it was practically convenient...)

i believe that all around the world governments are making the same mistake: the problem is not usually a particular "rule" by itself, it's much more frequently the bunch of people that has a license in its pocket and should not....

in italy i'd roughly cut that number in half (simply designing a proper licensing examination), but who is the politician that could do something like that?

If the rule change was held between the tits of a 17 yo illegal immigrant who was "dancing" for him, Silvio would sign it. Shit, I'd sign it.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Only part of it.
The part i was meaning was the both cars turning right part.

http://www.nzdriving.com/road_code_images/turn-right-giveway-r-turn.jpg

the truck "should" give way, yeah?

but if you replace the blue car with me on the scooter, the truck glances over, and just goes. because, well, fuck him, he's on a scooter and SMIDSY.

so no matter what, EXPECT them to fuck you up if they can.

[Spearfish]

the truck "should" give way, yeah?

but if you replace the blue car with me on the scooter, the truck glances over, and just goes. because, well, fuck him, he's on a scooter and SMIDSY.

so no matter what, EXPECT them to fuck you up if they can.

Your scooter is making you cynical.

[BoristheBiter]

the truck "should" give way, yeah?

but if you replace the blue car with me on the scooter, the truck glances over, and just goes. because, well, fuck him, he's on a scooter and SMIDSY.

so no matter what, EXPECT them to fuck you up if they can.

O i do that's why I'm still alive. I have driven in AKL for far to long to think that because I have right of way means no one will pull out in front of me.
Fuck if people do it to trucks what chance does a bike have?

[Max Preload]

No, at the moment the red bus has right of way.Both cars in the example ARE turning right. Yes, the bus has right of way - that's why the arrow indicating the bus path is solid... but that's how it is now. The new rule means it will be reversed.


no one this is about uncontrolled intersections.The effect of the law change means the GIVE WAYS on the terminating road are no longer required. So the signs are redundant, as I said.

[Reckless]

pretty good explanation on TV3 should clear any debate up as to the new rules!

http://www.3news.co.nz/An-easy-guide-to-the-new-give-way-rule/tabid/367/articleID/178785/Default.aspx

[Spearfish]

So from the video they are changing the rule because 19 out of twenty people get the give way rules wrong, 100% speed in 50 k zones...........apart from moped riders of course.

[jasonu]

This is the only intelligent thing coming out of this rule change isn't it??? They're finally making it how it always should have been, the vehicle entering the road has to give way to the one turning off it.

You mean to say that isn't already the case???

The new rule is the same as here in the USA and works very well.
In the town I live in (about 80k population) we have very few uncontrolled intersections. The yanks like stop signs and the rule is 1st stop 1st go and that works very well too.
As for roundabouts, the town planners must have visited NZ as they have installed a lot of them but they forgot to educate the locals about signalling so they don't work as well as they should.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Your scooter is making you cynical.

that and a lot of years or riding all sorts of motorbikes among fucktard Kiwi drivers.

wouldnt matter if I was on an open pipe big block Harley, the cockhead would still pull out because might is right.

[Scuba_Steve]

As for roundabouts, the town planners must have visited NZ as they have installed a lot of them but they forgot to educate the locals about signalling so they don't work as well as they should.

Can't of been NZ they visited otherwise they'd be ripping out those roundabouts & putting in traffic lights everywhere.

[ElCoyote]

True.

Why the eff did they change this law????

Why did they change the give way rule, worked perfectly for me till the pollies got involved. Changing back is the best thing this gubbermint has ever done or will do!!

[thehovel]

I hope I remember this right!!!!
OK here is the old rule;
At uncontroled intersections (no lights,roundabouts,giveway & stopsigns.
If you are driving straight through you give way to straight though traffic on your right.
If you are turning right you giveway to all straight through traffic & all right turning traffic on your right.
If you are turning left, courtesy apllies,Get around without getting creamed.
Young Scumdog Please correct me if I'm wrong!!!!!
Regards Richard
PS With the giveway when turning left you right of way was determend by that was behind you.
Soon it will back in front of you.

[FJRider]

I hope I remember this right!!!!
OK here is the old rule;
At uncontroled intersections (no lights,roundabouts,giveway & stopsigns.
If you are driving straight through you give way to straight though traffic on your right.
If you are turning right you giveway to all straight through traffic & all right turning traffic on your right.
If you are turning left, courtesy apllies,Get around without getting creamed.
Young Scumdog Please correct me if I'm wrong!!!!!
Regards Richard
PS With the giveway when turning left you right of way was determend by that was behind you.
Soon it will back in front of you.

Get with it ... you ONLY give way to traffic that has started/is moving BEFORE you do ... thats why people dont stop for stop signs ...

[Woodman]

To be honest I am not entirely sure of the give way rule. Haven't been for years. Might go out of my way and learn it proper this time. Line in the sand and all that.

[Max Preload]

I hope I remember this right!!!!
OK here is the old rule;
At uncontroled intersections (no lights,roundabouts,giveway & stopsigns.
If you are driving straight through you give way to straight though traffic on your right.
If you are turning right you giveway to all straight through traffic & all right turning traffic on your right.
If you are turning left, courtesy apllies,Get around without getting creamed.
Young Scumdog Please correct me if I'm wrong!!!!!
Regards Richard
PS With the giveway when turning left you right of way was determend by that was behind you.
Soon it will back in front of you.
It's like this.
If turning, give way to all traffic not turning. Otherwise give way to traffic crossing or approaching from your right.

[Bullitt]

I hope I remember this right!!!!
OK here is the old rule;
At uncontroled intersections (no lights,roundabouts,giveway & stopsigns.
If you are driving straight through you give way to straight though traffic on your right.
If you are turning right you giveway to all straight through traffic & all right turning traffic on your right.
If you are turning left, courtesy apllies,Get around without getting creamed.
Young Scumdog Please correct me if I'm wrong!!!!!
Regards Richard
PS With the giveway when turning left you right of way was determend by that was behind you.
Soon it will back in front of you.

Its just the same as you would apply if you were at a roundabout (albeit with different indicating). Once this new rule change comes in it'll be inconsistent.

As I've said all along the only problem with the current rule is foreigners don't understand it. Once it comes in noone will be able to complain anyway as they'll all be stuck turning right somewhere forever.

[Jantar]

Its just the same as you would apply if you were at a roundabout (albeit with different indicating). Once this new rule change comes in it'll be inconsistent.

As I've said all along the only problem with the current rule is foreigners don't understand it. Once it comes in noone will be able to complain anyway as they'll all be stuck turning right somewhere forever.

How will it be inconsisteent? All roundabouts are CONTROLLED intersections in that they have give way signs on the entry.

[Kickaha]

To be honest I am not entirely sure of the give way rule. Haven't been for years.

Go and hand your licence in then because you don't deserve to have one

[scumdog]

You mean to say that isn't already the case???

The new rule is the same as here in the USA and works very well.
In the town I live in (about 80k population) we have very few uncontrolled intersections. The yanks like stop signs and the rule is 1st stop 1st go and that works very well too.
As for roundabouts, the town planners must have visited NZ as they have installed a lot of them but they forgot to educate the locals about signalling so they don't work as well as they should.


Yeah, but this IS New Zealand, home of the ignorant and the me-me-me mentallity, it's all about what I need, what suits ME.

Four-way-stops are great if everybody agrees to the rules - and ignorant puerile Kiwis won't.

[Usarka]

Four-way-stops are great if everybody agrees to the rules - and ignorant puerile Kiwis won't.

Why don't you knock it off with tehm negative waves. Why don't you dig how beautiful it is out here. Why don't you say something righteous and hopeful for a change. Man.

[scumdog]

Why don't you knock it off with tehm negative waves. Why don't you dig how beautiful it is out here. Why don't you say something righteous and hopeful for a change. Man.

Cos I am a realist, I know how Kiwis operate.

The glass is always half-empty with me baby...

[crystalball]

Yeah, but this IS New Zealand, home of the ignorant and the me-me-me mentallity, it's all about what I need, what suits ME.

Four-way-stops are great if everybody agrees to the rules - and ignorant puerile Kiwis won't.

lol:woohoo: bugger

[DEATH_INC.]

It's all gonna be ok, a couple of those new speed camera guns and some wrb's will fix it. :motu:

[Murray]

Cos I am a realist, I know how Kiwis operate.

The glass is always half-empty with me baby...

Then you drink to much!!

[Woodman]

Go and hand your licence in then because you don't deserve to have one

I agree, I also ride above the speed limit occaisionally too.

[short-circuit]

To be honest I am not entirely sure of the give way rule.

Chk Chk. BOOM.

[thehovel]

Get with it ... you ONLY give way to traffic that has started/is moving BEFORE you do ... thats why people dont stop for stop signs ...
Don't you mean "the first one to the middle of the intersection has right of way".

[Bullitt]

How will it be inconsisteent? All roundabouts are CONTROLLED intersections in that they have give way signs on the entry.

At the moment if I come to a roundabout and a car is coming around in front of me (ie theyre turning right) I have to wait for them to pass before I can go left.

The equivalent with the new rule would be expecting the car on the roundabout to stop for you which clearly doesn't make sense.

I agree theyre a different situation but its the way I learned the original rule as they operated consistently. Now everyone will have to remember opposite rules for similar but slightly different situations.

The other thing I was taught was if you had an accident where you get hit in the drivers door most of the time it'll be you whose at fault. This will no longer apply either.

[Jantar]

At the moment if I come to a roundabout and a car is coming around in front of me (ie theyre turning right) I have to wait for them to pass before I can go left.

That is correct for two reasons. 1. You are waiting at a giveway sign. and


The equivalent with the new rule would be expecting the car on the roundabout to stop for you which clearly doesn't make sense.

2. The roundabout is the straight through Rd and you are entering from a side road at a T intersection. Under what logic would the car on a roundabout have to giveway to one entering?



I agree theyre a different situation but its the way I learned the original rule as they operated consistently. Now everyone will have to remember opposite rules for similar but slightly different situations.

The other thing I was taught was if you had an accident where you get hit in the drivers door most of the time it'll be you whose at fault. This will no longer apply either.

Well, you were taught wrong. Under the current rules if you turn right without giving way then the the car going straight through will hit your passenger door, just as it will under the old (now new) rules.