How the fuck did he walk free?

[onearmedbandit]

http://msn.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10748953&ref=rss

Plead guilty to sexually abusing his daughter, yet fucking walks free? The judge said the effects of a conviction outweighs the seriousness of the charge? This is a fucking embarrassment. I hope the 'un-named' (who most know who it is) gets what is coming his way.

[edit] Unless of course his partner has the body of a four year old girl and wears nappies..........

[sidecar bob]

Yep, theres definitely something funny going on there.

[DMNTD]

I find it offensive to the en'th that it has been allowed to end up that way.
Long story...won't get into it, but... :angry2:

[Mad-V2]

Name and shame him!! Nobody should get away with that sicko shit!
People like that should be made to have PEDO branded on their face.

[DMNTD]

People like that should be made to have PEDO branded on their face.

...with a fucking chisel!

[Usarka]

I find it hard to believe. But I also have a friend who occasionally pisses in wardrobes or hallways when he's pissed and he swears he thinks he's in the dunny.....

The cunt pissed all over my photos from egypt.

[Scuba_Steve]

I hope the 'un-named' (who most know who it is) gets what is coming his way.

I hope the judge gets worse!!!

[mashman]

pretty stunned here... "The offending cannot be seen as less serious because alcohol was a factor.''... so why isn't he in jail? because he makes people laugh? Tough bikkies, name him and jail him.

[DMNTD]

I hope the judge gets worse!!!

That right there is frecking bang on

[DMNTD]

I hope the 'un-named' (who most know who it is)...

Actually I don't...able to say who it allegedly is for the slow ones??

[blue rider]

why did he get away

a. he made the judge laugh?
b. he stopped drinking.....eviiiiiil booze made him do it?
c. "it" was a girl, would "it" have been a boy.....the judge would have thought it less normal/funny?

the trivialization/conditioning of sexual abuse/rape/misconduct/ etc...... the new normal

get a 4 year old mixed up with a grown women.......mind bleach.....

[Paul in NZ]

Well you would have to expect the judge had more info and was less in need of a story than the media???

[onearmedbandit]

Well you would have to expect the judge had more info and was less in need of a story than the media???

So pray tell how is an act like this excusable? After all he admitted to the charge.

[SS90]

I am wary of a backlash here, and while I am sickened by Paedophiles (as any reasonable person would be), we can all rest assured that Discharges with-out convictions are not common place, EVER, and in a case involving sexual acts on a kid? Possibly the rareist of the rare (anyone else know of a precident?)

I am 100% certain there are facts involving the offence that we are not privvy too, and the Judge would have taken these into account.

That said, I am surprised, from what I have read regarding the offence, that a discharge was given, but the Judge would have to be satisfied that this was a special situation, as even Judges in NZ have to be accountable for their decisions.

[SS90]

So pray tell how is an act like this excusable? After all he admitted to the charge.

To recieve consideration for a discharge, you must plead guilty....... sometimes there are disputed facts in a case, and you may well "have to suck it up" and accept this.

[onearmedbandit]

To recieve consideration for a discharge, you must plead guilty....... sometimes there are disputed facts in a case, and you may well "have to suck it up" and accept this.

Kind of like admitting to an offence you never committed to increase your chance of parole? Never been in that position myself, but if it was for car conversion, robbery, destruction of property etc etc etc, then yeah I can see myself taking that path. But admitting to a sexual offence I never committed just so the system can be satisfied? Never. I'd rot in jail protesting my innocence until my dying day. Fact.

[marty]

pretty stunned here... "The offending cannot be seen as less serious because alcohol was a factor.''... so why isn't he in jail? because he makes people laugh? Tough bikkies, name him and jail him.

he's not actually that funny. I didn't know who it was, but in 4 minutes of searching, found out.

[blackdog]

he's not actually that funny. I didn't know who it was, but in 4 minutes of searching, found out.

ok, save me 4 mins will you pls

[HenryDorsetCase]

Don't post the name in a public forum. I dont want to know about it, but more importantly it is contempt of court, which carries fairly heavy sanction. Ask that fat prick, the whale oil guy.

[marty]

i won't be. google is your friend.

[hellokitty]

i won't be. google is your friend.

give us a link?

[blackdog]

Never heard of him.

[Taz]

Flower pot men?

[frogfeaturesFZR]

Ran for parliament 2008 ?

[scumdog]

pretty stunned here... "The offending cannot be seen as less serious because alcohol was a factor.''... so why isn't he in jail?

Hell, I drove home drunk tonight, if I had been caught I would have expected to be treated the same.

"it's less serious because alcohol was a factor" - sheesh, glad I wasn't sober!!:sweatdrop

[rachprice]

I'm sure there are plenty of things we don't know

What strikes me as weird is the judge saying they weren't sure of the effect on the child after seeing an interview, given the kid is 5 they wouldn't understand quite yet.
Just because they don't understand it doesn't make it any less disturbing

For the record I think it's pathetic he didn't get charged

[\m/]

Yet another soft judge lets a guilty man walk free. The name suppression is a fucking joke, it's so easy to find with google. A lot of us know who he is anyway.

[Clockwork]

Just playin Devil's advocate here... (Hell, I'm about to speak out in defence of a Peado, so I know I'm gonna get a kickin')

Perhaps it's just as well he does have name supression. Personally I know nothing about this case other than the juicy bits published by the media but rather than ranting, cheast beating and general lynch mob mentatlity that always seems to accompany these stories, I'd prefer to believe that the Judge heard all the evidence and has a much better handle on what went down than the rest of us; is not demented or corrupt and discharged the guy for appropriate reasons.

ie the Judge has seen fit to give this guy the benefit of any doubt, I don't know why any other non-participant would think that they know any better.

[Kickaha]

ie the Judge has seen fit to give this guy the benefit of any doubt, I don't know why any other non-participant would think that they know any better.

You're joking right?

This is KB we all know better:yes:

[Crasherfromwayback]

. But admitting to a sexual offence I never committed just so the system can be satisfied? Never. I'd rot in jail protesting my innocence until my dying day. Fact.

Ditto. Like Michael Jackson paying out 20 mill or whatever the sum was to get the parents to drop the charges. NEVER.

[Mad-V2]

I wonder how much the judge was paid.........:whistle:

[marty]

For the record I think it's pathetic he didn't get charged

um, he did get charged.

he didn't get convicted, even after pleading guilty.

[rachprice]

um, he did get charged.

he didn't get convicted, even after pleading guilty.

Yeah alright, that's what I meant

[baffa]

Yeah, lets get on the bandwagon and scream no justice without knowing the full story. :rolleyes:

If he gets named and shamed, so does the family. Imagine that child growing up with it being public knowledge?

We werent in the court room, all we have is what the media feeds us.
The guy has lost his career, his income, and his family.
And if he really was a pedo, why would you do this in the bed your wife is in? Strikes me as someone who wasnt thinking clearly.

[Mad-V2]

...with a fucking chisel!

So you support paedophiles then......
I'm sure if this guy was kissing your 5 year old daughter you would be the one doing the branding yourself.
Or would ya buy him another beer because he's a funny guy......

[98tls]

Crazy shit eh,still what else do you expect,rarely is any appropriate justice handed out in our courts.Actually posting that reminded me just this week a young fella (23 ish) that up until 8-9 months ago worked at work was sentenced to 2 1/2 years for having kiddie porn (lots of it) on his computer etc.Was kept well quiet and when he left work just said he was offered another job.He got caught out chatting up a kid on the puter who turned out to be a copper in Australia:woohoo:.Very sad for his family,really nice people.

[Mad-V2]

I've saw sicko hanging out at the local park here staring at the kids playing.
I asked him which was his daughter to which he said "I don't have any kids"
I told him he shouldn't hang out round here as someone might get the wrong idea, to which he stupidly said "What you gonna do about it?"
I called the police and followed him to his house taunting him but the police never showed up.
Next time I'll be like

"Put your fuckin' mouth on the curb....... now say goodnight"

http://static.fjcdn.com/gifs/Burger+King+FTW+real+men+curb+stomp_fa8638_780591. gif

[marty]

Yeah alright, that's what I meant

easy to say one thing and mean the other huh. even though the 2 things are miles apart.

[Mad-V2]

Yeah, lets get on the bandwagon and scream no justice without knowing the full story. :rolleyes:

If he gets named and shamed, so does the family. Imagine that child growing up with it being public knowledge?

We werent in the court room, all we have is what the media feeds us.
The guy has lost his career, his income, and his family.
And if he really was a pedo, why would you do this in the bed your wife is in? Strikes me as someone who wasnt thinking clearly.

That poor poor man....
didn't he plead guilty to this shit "the man laid his (4YO) daughter on her back, pulled down her pyjama pants and nappy and kissed her."
But it's O.K. he was drunk and cant remember, and also he's a funny guy.....

[rachprice]

easy to say one thing and mean the other huh. even though the 2 things are miles apart.

Yeah it is and I know they are
What is your point?

[HenryDorsetCase]

ie the Judge has seen fit to give this guy the benefit of any doubt, I don't know why any other non-participant would think that they know any better.

You're far too sensible to be on KB.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Yeah it is and I know they are
What is your point?

He's simply trying to ram home just how pedantic someone can be. Just in case his first post didn't quite prove it.

[HenryDorsetCase]

I wonder how much the judge was paid.........:whistle:

DCJ is around $220k/yr HCJ is around $270k/yr from memory. whats your point?

[Mad-V2]

Just seems strange a female judge would let something like that slide.
If it was someone that fit the profile of a pedo, they would be castrated in the court house.

[short-circuit]

I've saw sicko hanging out at the local park here staring at the kids playing.
I asked him which was his daughter to which he said "I don't have any kids"
I told him he shouldn't hang out round here as someone might get the wrong idea, to which he stupidly said "What you gonna do about it?"
I called the police and followed him to his house taunting him but the police never showed up.
Next time I'll be like

"Put your fuckin' mouth on the curb....... now say goodnight"

http://static.fjcdn.com/gifs/Burger+King+FTW+real+men+curb+stomp_fa8638_780591. gif

He shoulda told you to get fucked and mind your own business. For all you know he was relaxing in a local public park staring into space. Maybe you're the weirdo with the twisted mind.

[fuknKIWI]

To recieve consideration for a discharge, you must plead guilty......

I was under the impression that a guilty plea meant the judge was duty bound to convict the defendant.

[98tls]

I was under the impression that a guilty plea meant the judge was duty bound to convict the defendant.

:eek5:Shit no mate,not here in unzud.Over here you can even murder your children front up down the welfare after court and book in for a decade or 2 of publicly funded r n r.

[Crasherfromwayback]

:eek5:Shit no mate,not here in unzud.Over here you can even murder your children front up down the welfare after court and book in for a decade or 2 of publicly funded r n r.

You can even swing 'em round on a clothes line and put 'em in a dryer if ya want!

[ynot slow]

:eek5:Shit no mate,not here in unzud.Over here you can even murder your children front up down the welfare after court and book in for a decade or 2 of publicly funded r n r.

And write a book for money.Or not telling the cops who did kill your kids.Hmm great place here sometimes,but not when kids are killed.

[marty]

just typical KB - say one thing, mean another, and there's no accountability. you comment suggests the cops didn't do their job - they did. it was the court that didn't.

[98tls]

the cops didn't do their job - they did. it was the court that didn't.

Which happens time and time again here,pick up any newspaper come court day and its read and weep,its pathetic.Even something as basic as drink driving still eludes most judges,they only wake up when the defendant has killed someone,we live in a country full of spineless do gooders who continue to subscribe to the ambulance is best positioned at the bottom of the cliff theory.

[blackdog]

just typical KB - say one thing, mean another, and there's no accountability. you comment suggests the cops didn't do their job - they did. it was the court that didn't.

Were you there? As others have suggested there may well be facts none of us know. After a bit more digging, it seems this may well have had a lot to do with a viscious [ex]wife bringing charges amid a messy split/seperation, and coaching of the daughter. Were you in the bedroom? Didn't think so. I have no idea whether he is guilty of the charges or not, what I do know is the judge was in possesion of far more of the facts than you or I.

The court did do it's job, it is merely you (and others obviously) that did not like the outcome (regardless of how uninformed you are) and are willing to slate them for it.

Ever blown raspberries in your daughters belly button? God help you if that was misconstrued.

The point is we just do not know. What I do know is if there was anything substansive about the claims against him, he would have been punished for it. Possibly not to the extent of castration like many of us believe the penalty for this kind of offending should be, but punished nonetheless.

Backed into a corner, pleading guilty to a lesser offence may have seemed like the only way out guilty or not. Again, I am in no position to pass judgement without all the information available to me, and unless you know something I don't everyone here is in the same position.

[fuknKIWI]

Disgustice:pinch:

[Mad-V2]

He shoulda told you to get fucked and mind your own business. For all you know he was relaxing in a local public park staring into space. Maybe you're the weirdo with the twisted mind.

He was leaning against a fence staring at little girls including mine, in a small play ground the size of a tennis court. He had no other reason to be there as he didn't know any of the kids, and he looked like a sicko. Also when I rung the police while he was standing in front of me, he walked away instead of staying to defend himself.
So me and my partner being the only adults there thought we should make the area safe before we left the other three 4 - 7 year olds there alone (not our kids, were there when we got there).
Maybe you should do a search on how many registered sex offenders lurk in your area.

[scumdog]

and he looked like a sicko.

Hmmm....in Napier there's a whole lot of the people 'look like sickos'...

[98tls]

Hmmm....in Napier there's a whole lot of the people 'look like sickos'...

Jesus mate,ever been to New Plymouth?Tell ya its like a big Reefton.:eek5:

[blackdog]

Hmmm....in Napier there's a whole lot of the people 'look like sickos'...

I laughed at that too. How many law abiding bikers are tarred without reason by that brush?

[Kickaha]

and he looked like a sicko
Can you give us details of what a "sicko looks like just so I can keep a look out and avoid them


Also when I rung the police while he was standing in front of me, he walked away instead of staying to defend himself
I'd walk away to so I didn't have to deal with a paranoid idiot

[rachprice]

just typical KB - say one thing, mean another, and there's no accountability. you comment suggests the cops didn't do their job - they did. it was the court that didn't.

What do you mean no accountability, I made a mistake in what I said, I admitted to doing so.

Given the thread is about his lack of conviction, I think most people would have understood what I meant.
No need to be an ass about it

[short-circuit]

Can you give us details of what a "sicko looks like just so I can keep a look out and avoid them


I'd walk away to so I didn't have to deal with a paranoid idiot

wot e said

[Crasherfromwayback]

What do you mean no accountability, I made a mistake in what I said, I admitted to doing so.

Given the thread is about his lack of conviction, I think most people would have understood what I meant.
No need to be an ass about it

Rach...guys that are pussy whipped at home and treated like dirt love to come on here and put chicks they don't know from a bar of soap down to make them feel all manly again! It really is pretty straight forward!!!

[rachprice]

Its a hard one yeah?

Its sad that in this day and age that many people easily jump to the conclusion that someone is a paedophile, any man with a young girl not known to be his daughter is almost always met with thoughts or accusations regarding his intentions.
Its sad, and often why many men choose to leave teaching

But you can understand societies fear, it is something so vile and horrifying.
I can understand someone being wary of a man hanging around a playground. Imagine if you did nothing and that person did offend, though I can see the other side too.
Being someone who has been exposed to young ones who have been sexually abused, it is something that does make me instantly react. It is easy to see why it is something that many people have such a strong opinions and reactions to.

I do think we don't need to know who it is but given the information I have read I don't agree with the outcome. Though like I, and many people have said, it is always hard to know the full story

If it is true that the woman has twisted this, she would be as bad. It is like, no worse, than a woman falsely claiming someone raped her. Bringing her child into it? God my mind boggles at how twisted these people must be

[98tls]

Rach...guys that are pussy whipped at home and treated like dirt love to come on here and put chicks they don't know from a bar of soap down to make them feel all manly again! It really is pretty straight forward!!!

:sweatdropTell me more about "pussy whipping " mate.:sweatdrop

[Crasherfromwayback]

:sweatdropTell me more about "pussy whipping " mate.:sweatdrop

Nah...reckon you're the sort of chap that's pretty well treated.

[Mad-V2]

O.K so I guess I did the wrong thing and won't be doing that again....NOT!!!
If I see that sick fuck there again, I'll call the police again.
Common sense will tell you if there is some sicko lurking, and this one most certainly was. We just didn't feel comfortable leaving him there with those kids, was that wrong?
What if we did nothing coz we didn't want to look paranoid, and he ended up taking one of those kids? he looked like he wanted too. Would we have been forgiven? I think not.
I think it's a little strange that so many people on here are defending these people.

[Daffyd]

Its a hard one yeah?

Its sad that in this day and age that many people easily jump to the conclusion that someone is a paedophile, any man with a young girl not known to be his daughter is almost always met with thoughts or accusations regarding his intentions.


I recall some years ago when my daughter was at High School I took her shopping and as we walked along the street she took my arm. We were amazed, (and amused) by the dirty looks we had aimed at us!

A couple of years ago I was walking the dog along the street not long after I moved here and a little girl, (about 7-8.) came rushing out to pat the dog. I heard her mother scream at her from inside not to talk to strangers. Funnily enough we have since become quite good friends. (Sorry for the hi-jack.)

[Crasherfromwayback]

I don't really think the 'facts' of the case are super secret or anything for those of you defending the 'comedian'. He was pissed...he removed a 4 year old girls pajama bottoms and pull up nappies and was found to be kissing her. He pleaded guilty to it, but claims he was so pissed he didn't know what he was doing. Tough shit. Jail time.

http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/10180813/questions-about-child-sex-abuse-case-decision/

[Kickaha]

If I see that sick fuck there again, I'll call the police again.
Common sense will tell you if there is some sicko lurking, and this one most certainly was. We just didn't feel comfortable leaving him there with those kids, was that wrong?
What if we did nothing coz we didn't want to look paranoid, and he ended up taking one of those kids? he looked like he wanted too. Would we have been forgiven? I think not.

Fantastic news we can disband the police force and Mad-V2 will patrol the streets as he is able to establish guilt just by the way someone looks, law enforcement will never be the same again

[98tls]

I don't really think the 'facts' of the case are super secret or anything for those of you defending the 'comedian'. He was pissed...he removed a 4 year old girls pajama bottoms and pull up nappies and was found to be kissing her. He pleaded guilty to it, but claims he was so pissed he didn't know what he was doing. Tough shit. Jail time.

http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/10180813/questions-about-child-sex-abuse-case-decision/

Maybe his parents divorced early in his life/Grandma was a coke addict/father used to beat his pet lamb,who knows but it seems any excuse and an army of otherwise unemployable do gooders jump onboard and its "you poor thing you".

[Usarka]

Can you give us details of what a "sicko looks like just so I can keep a look out and avoid them



Don't just avoid them...what was it...put their teeth on the curb and kick their head?

Someone's been watching too many violent movies :lol:

[Mad-V2]

Don't just avoid them...what was it...put their teeth on the curb and kick their head?

Someone's been watching too many violent movies :lol:

Thats the least they deserve in my book.
"American History X" was a good movie in its day.

[blackdog]

I don't really think the 'facts' of the case are super secret or anything for those of you defending the 'comedian'. He was pissed...he removed a 4 year old girls pajama bottoms and pull up nappies and was found to be kissing her. He pleaded guilty to it, but claims he was so pissed he didn't know what he was doing. Tough shit. Jail time.

http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/10180813/questions-about-child-sex-abuse-case-decision/


Maybe his parents divorced early in his life/Grandma was a coke addict/father used to beat his pet lamb,who knows but it seems any excuse and an army of otherwise unemployable do gooders jump onboard and its "you poor thing you".

We will have to agree to disagree there boys. Innocent until proven guilty. I am not saying he didn't do anything wrong, but you can not prove he did. Neither could the prosecution for that matter, or they would not have offered the plea bargain.

You are essentially turning this into a witch hunt. What are your attitudes towards the KKK? The comments on this thread amount to the same thing. You don't have all the facts (FACT), yet you are willing to burn him at the stake.

I am not defending the man himself, I have no idea whether there was any crime commited or not (and neither do you). I am defending the right of everyone to due process, and in this instance we have to believe that has been followed.

I will refer to my earlier comment re raspberries. YOU weren't there, YOU don't know what happened (excepting what you have read in the media, which we are all so ready to rubbish when it so suits and they are misguiding the public in regard to motorcycles).

If you were ever set up, I know you would expect the same rights as this man was afforded. Did you do it or not? I don't know, but before you were convicted I would sure like to see PROOF that you were guilty.

[mashman]

I will refer to my earlier comment re raspberries. YOU weren't there, YOU don't know what happened.


His partner was. She called the Police and then split from the guy. I wouldn't say that that prove his "innocence".

[scumdog]

His partner was. She called the Police and then split from the guy. I wouldn't say that that prove his "innocence".

You're dead right, it 'proves' jack-all..

[blackdog]

His partner was. She called the Police and then split from the guy. I wouldn't say that that prove his "innocence".

So she was fucked off with him enough (for ANY reason) to call the cops. I wouldn't say that was enough to prove his "guilt".

What evidence do you have to establish her credibility?

[mashman]

What evidence do you have to establish her credibility?

He pled guilty.

[Mad-V2]

He must have really pissed her off to make her do that shit.
Surely she would understand what it would do to his life.
And if it was false accusation on her part, doesn't she get her time in court to face up to her actions (wasting the courts time/damaging his reputation)

[blackdog]

He pled guilty.

As part of a plea bargain to a lesser charge, an easy way out offered by the prosecution in return for the discharge because they couldn't prove their case and he would therefore not have to go through the whole process of defending the spurious charges!

You are a few pages behind aren't you.

[Number One]

Can't and won't read the whole thread.

All I need to know is that there was inappropriate sexual contact from an adult to a 'nappied up child'...I don't care what else there is to it - that is sick and the fact he gets discharged without conviction is disgusting.

As for thinking there was no impact to the child... FUCK YOU JUDGE CUNNINGHAM!!!

[mashman]

As part of a plea bargain to a lesser charge, an easy way out offered by the prosecution in return for the discharge because they couldn't prove their case and he would therefore not have to go through the whole process of defending the spurious charges!

You are a few pages behind aren't you.

Don't get me wrong, I take your point... But he hasn't denied it and why did he plea bargain if the prosecution had nothing?

Aye, missed a couple of pages :)

[blackdog]

Don't get me wrong, I take your point... But he hasn't denied it and why did he plea bargain if the prosecution had nothing?

Aye, missed a couple of pages :)


In short, to avoid the whole process being strung out, and probably to spare his daughter from having to go through the whole process. Alternatively he was guilty as sin, but that just goes again with what I am trying to say. I am not willing to string him up as some others here are so keen to do because NONE of us actually knows what, if anything actually happened.

I hope no-one is taking me the wrong way either. All I am saying is that I don't have any evidence either way and neither does anyone else in this thread (to my knowledge please anyone correct me if I'm wrong there), and I won't crucify someone merely on the way it has been reported in the papers.

[munster]

Let me point out, I fucking hate Paedo's and would have no hesitation in lining up for the job of executioner if ever the appropriate penalty was introduced for this horrid crime, but I do have a few comments.


Ever blown raspberries in your daughters belly button? God help you if that was misconstrued
Yes, often. Sons too. Did it to my niece today.


He had no other reason to be there as he didn't know any of the kids
Might have been missing his own daughter . . and not in that way.


I recall some years ago when my daughter was at High School I took her shopping and as we walked along the street she took my arm. We were amazed, (and amused) by the dirty looks we had aimed at us!
+ 1


He pled guilty.
and if I ever accidentaly shot a hunting mate, or ran over one of my kids / nephews / neices in the driveway I would plead quilty too. Would I have meant to do it? No! Would I feel like shit for doing it? Yes! Should I be sent to jail? Definitely!

[Sarah311]

I'm sure there are plenty of things we don't know

What strikes me as weird is the judge saying they weren't sure of the effect on the child after seeing an interview, given the kid is 5 they wouldn't understand quite yet.
Just because they don't understand it doesn't make it any less disturbing

For the record I think it's pathetic he didn't get charged


As someone who interviews these children, I can assure you THEY UNDERSTAND.

I will venture he likes to travel, and being convicted of a sexual offence against a child - tends to make one not popular in other countries. Good to know his life will continue happily (sic)

BTW, he did get charged - he just didn't get convicted - even after admitting it.

[PrincessBandit]

Just seems strange a female judge would let something like that slide.
If it was someone that fit the profile of a pedo, they would be castrated in the court house.

haven't read all the other posts between this one I've quoted and the last, so sorry if others have already said what I'm about to say...

I too thought it highly unusual that a woman judge should have made this decision. We are not it possession of the full facts, and while I'm hesitant to say this... did his partner have a grudge against him? for all we know she may have had a snitcher on and "blown it out of proportion" to stitch him up. Btw, I have no idea who it is and therefore completely ignorant as to making a judgement about him.
I'm simply saying it's possible that his partner could be making things out to be much worse than they were, and if he was truly that drunk he may have accepted her word for it having no accurate recollection of events himself. Just suggesting it as a possibility before I get crucified here.

[rachprice]

I recall some years ago when my daughter was at High School I took her shopping and as we walked along the street she took my arm. We were amazed, (and amused) by the dirty looks we had aimed at us!

A couple of years ago I was walking the dog along the street not long after I moved here and a little girl, (about 7-8.) came rushing out to pat the dog. I heard her mother scream at her from inside not to talk to strangers. Funnily enough we have since become quite good friends. (Sorry for the hi-jack.)

No worries dude, it sucks hey!!!


As someone who interviews these children, I can assure you THEY UNDERSTAND

BTW, he did get charged - he just didn't get convicted - even after admitting it.

yeah being exposed to them myself I found the judges comment rather odd!

And yeah have already been dragged over the coals for that mistake, ha! convicted is what I meant!

[blackdog]

haven't read all the other posts between this one I've quoted and the last, so sorry if others have already said what I'm about to say...

I too thought it highly unusual that a woman judge should have made this decision. We are not it possession of the full facts, and while I'm hesitant to say this... did his partner have a grudge against him? for all we know she may have had a snitcher on and "blown it out of proportion" to stitch him up. Btw, I have no idea who it is and therefore completely ignorant as to making a judgement about him.
I'm simply saying it's possible that his partner could be making things out to be much worse than they were, and if he was truly that drunk he may have accepted her word for it having no accurate recollection of events himself. Just suggesting it as a possibility before I get crucified here.

No crucifixion here. A completely reasonable post IMO.

[mashman]

In short, to avoid the whole process being strung out, and probably to spare his daughter from having to go through the whole process. Alternatively he was guilty as sin, but that just goes again with what I am trying to say. I am not willing to string him up as some others here are so keen to do because NONE of us actually knows what, if anything actually happened.

I hope no-one is taking me the wrong way either. All I am saying is that I don't have any evidence either way and neither does anyone else in this thread (to my knowledge please anyone correct me if I'm wrong there), and I won't crucify someone merely on the way it has been reported in the papers.

Half of me agrees with you. The judge let him go and wouldn't do so without very good reason... but he still shoulda seen the inside of a cell imho... the offence was the offence.

[blackdog]

Half of me agrees with you. The judge let him go and wouldn't do so without very good reason... but he still shoulda seen the inside of a cell imho... the offence was the offence.

Look, if he actually did what was accused then he should have been sentenced to a whole lot worse than imprisonment. I am risking harping on but, we just don't know!

If this was a complete fabrication by an angry and/or disturbed wife with an axe to grind, does he still then deserve to see the inside of a cell?

When you get on the wrong side of someone who is willing to tell stories about what you have supposedly done (fact or fiction) I will be there championing your cause until it is proved to me that you are guilty.

In the case we are discussing I have seen no such proof. What is reported in New Zealands papers I have long since learned to take with a pinch of salt. As has everyone else on this forum when it suits them.

[blackdog]

All I need to know is that there was inappropriate sexual contact from an adult to a 'nappied up child'!

How exactly do you KNOW that?

[short-circuit]

Fantastic news we can disband the police force and will patrol the streets as he is able to establish guilt just by the way someone looks, law enforcement will never be the same again




He has amazing mind reading capabilities too:



What if we did nothing coz we didn't want to look paranoid, and he ended up taking one of those kids? he looked like he wanted too.


Mad-V2 might be wasted out there on the streets. With his high powers of deduction he could be better suited to detective work.

[onearmedbandit]

I understand that none of us are aware of the full facts.

I understand that none of us know anything other than what the media have passed on.

What I don't understand (and remember now folks, this is just my perspective) is how someone innocent of sexually assaulting their daughter would admit to it to get a lesser charge? I have two daughters, 5 and 12, and if I ever found myself falsely accused of sexually assaulting them I would never lie and say 'yes I did it'. Not for their sake and most certainly not for mine.

Ok so I've never been in that situation, so I can't know for sure how I would react. But I'd rather die than live admitting guilt just to please the fucking system. Life (to me) is nothing without principles.

[blackdog]

I understand that none of us are aware of the full facts.

I understand that none of us know anything other than what the media have passed on.

What I don't understand (and remember now folks, this is just my perspective) is how someone innocent of sexually assaulting their daughter would admit to it to get a lesser charge? I have two daughters, 5 and 12, and if I ever found myself falsely accused of sexually assaulting them I would never lie and say 'yes I did it'. Not for their sake and most certainly not for mine.

Ok so I've never been in that situation, so I can't know for sure how I would react. But I'd rather die than live admitting guilt just to please the fucking system. Life (to me) is nothing without principles.

I am with you there 100%. Bear in mind though that he was discharged without conviction. In essence this means regardless of his plea, he was not found guilty (different obviously to a jury finding him 'not guilty').

Would you reconsider your stance if it meant not dragging your daughter through months, if not years of a heart wrenching and potentially emotionally damaging trial? If it meant your daughter would not be scarred for life with that (again emotional) trauma?

My understanding after some research is that this was the decision he was forced to make, and although that may not be the course of action you or I would take, I can see how under the circumstances that is the course of action that was decided upon.

Would you sacrifice your daughters future mental wellbeing just so you could prove your point?

[onearmedbandit]

Would you sacrifice your daughters future mental wellbeing just so you could prove your point?

I considered this point strongly before making my earlier post, and while I can understand that point of view, I balanced it with the possibility of my daughter living with the thought that either I had done it (if say she had been effectively brainwashed into believing it - and then I admit guilt...) or that she was responsible for my wrongful 'conviction'. As I said I have two daughters, one just recently turned 5, and she could easily tell you whether I had or hadn't done anything of the sort. 4yr olds are not unaware of what goes on, and I believe would most definitely recall whether something like that happened.

Look as a father myself if he has been wrongly accused and has his daughter turned against him by outside influences, then I really feel for the guy. But myself, man I really don't know if I could admit guilt. I see it years down the path, when the daughter finally realises it never happened, I see it being a immense burden for her to carry then, that she was put in a position where her father was wrongly charged. And I think she'd wonder why he didn't protest his innocence more (not as an admission of guilt).

[Crasherfromwayback]

How exactly do you KNOW that?

Because he pleaded guilty. And before you start harping on about how/why he may've done so. I'll repeat myself. I'll get burnt in hell and made bankrupt before I'll ever plead guilty to such a charge. It's odd that the guy in question and the mother of the child were in a relationship before the 'incident'. How come we haven't been made privy to the fact that she's a nasty bitch that was simply trying to get back at him...even though we've heard all about his side of it? As in...he was pissed. He didn't know what he was doing?

When a woman makes a false accusation of rape against a man...her previous history of doing so would come to light.

I've had two partners in the past that had young kids. I learnt to love them like my own. When I split with the first (who had two youngins), they both gave me a big cuddle and told me how much they'd miss me. I cried. When the second and I split, She turned out to be evil personified and tried to insinuate I was some sort of threat to her 3 year old daughter.

That's the closest I've ever come to physically assulting a female.

I would sell my ute. My vintage bikes. My apartment, and every single thing I own to pay mylegal fees before pleading guilty to in any way behaving inappropriately towards a child.

Tell me this. Would you plead guilty to such a heinous crime?

[blackdog]

I considered this point strongly before making my earlier post, and while I can understand that point of view, I balanced it with the possibility of my daughter living with the thought that either I had done it (if say she had been effectively brainwashed into believing it - and then I admit guilt...) or that she was responsible for my wrongful 'conviction'. As I said I have two daughters, one just recently turned 5, and she could easily tell you whether I had or hadn't done anything of the sort. 4yr olds are not unaware of what goes on, and I believe would most definitely recall whether something like that happened.

Look as a father myself if he has been wrongly accused and has his daughter turned against him by outside influences, then I really feel for the guy. But myself, man I really don't know if I could admit guilt. I see it years down the path, when the daughter finally realises it never happened, I see it being a immense burden for her to carry then, that she was put in a position where her father was wrongly charged. And I think she'd wonder why he didn't protest his innocence more (not as an admission of guilt).

It's a tough one aye. As much as I would like kids I can't have them, but this thread has struck a chord for some reason. I have two nieces that are very dear to me (my little brothers girls), and I can almost imagine their mother being vindictive enough to do a similar thing just because she's a mental cunt.

He may or may not be a guilty man I don't care, but I won't nail him up without being satisfied that there is guilt.

Your girls are lucky they have a stand up Dad with solid morals. They will grow up and be upstanding too (if not a little bit of a handful) of that I am sure.

[blackdog]

Because he pleaded guilty. And before you start harping on about how/why he may've done so. I'll repeat myself. I'll get burnt in hell and made bankrupt before I'll ever plead guilty to such a charge. It's odd that the guy in question and the mother of the child were in a relationship before the 'incident'. How come we haven't been made privy to the fact that she's a nasty bitch that was simply trying to get back at him...even though we've heard all about his side of it? As in...he was pissed. He didn't know what he was doing?

When a woman makes a false accusation of rape against a man...her previous history of doing so would come to light.

I've had two partners in the past that had young kids. I learnt to love them like my own. When I split with the first (who had two youngins), they both gave me a big cuddle and told me how much they'd miss me. I cried. When the second and I split, She turned out to be evil personified and tried to insinuate I was some sort of threat to her 3 year old daughter.

That's the closest I've ever come to physically assulting a female.

I would sell my ute. My vintage bikes. My apartment, and every single thing I own to pay mylegal fees before pleading guilty to in any way behaving inappropriately towards a child.

Tell me this. Would you plead guilty to such a heinous crime?

refer to post #92

[blackdog]

or that she was responsible for my wrongful 'conviction'.

He was not convicted, nor found to be guilty of anything.

[onearmedbandit]

He was not convicted, nor found to be guilty of anything.

I realise that, hence the ' ' around the word conviction. In the eyes of many he is convicted, not by the courts but by the media and public perception.

[blackdog]

I realise that, hence the ' ' around the word conviction. In the eyes of many he is convicted, not by the courts but by the media and public perception.

In any case, the summation is it is a sorry state of affairs.

I fear we will never know the truth, and have to place our faith in the justice system hoping the right decision was made.

Was there any actual offence and will it be recidivist? If in the future I am proved wrong I will be first in line with a torch and crown of thorns, but I won't be jumping the gun on the say so of NZ media.

Let's give the poor girl a chance to get on with her life and hopefully have the love and respect that she deserves from everyone in her family.

[Winston001]

A snippet from the media report which gives us a picture of what the Judge had to consider:

Judge Cunningham said she had also viewed the police video interview with the four year-old.
"What struck me about it was the wish of this child to see and be with her father again.''
The man's partner, who also has permanent name suppression, wept as she told the court that she and her daughter had been having counselling.
"While we were together [the man] was a great Dad who was very supportive, loving and hands on. I always thought of him as a great guy.''

[SS90]

I considered this point strongly before making my earlier post, and while I can understand that point of view, I balanced it with the possibility of my daughter living with the thought that either I had done it (if say she had been effectively brainwashed into believing it - and then I admit guilt...) or that she was responsible for my wrongful 'conviction'. As I said I have two daughters, one just recently turned 5, and she could easily tell you whether I had or hadn't done anything of the sort. 4yr olds are not unaware of what goes on, and I believe would most definitely recall whether something like that happened.

Look as a father myself if he has been wrongly accused and has his daughter turned against him by outside influences, then I really feel for the guy. But myself, man I really don't know if I could admit guilt. I see it years down the path, when the daughter finally realises it never happened, I see it being a immense burden for her to carry then, that she was put in a position where her father was wrongly charged. And I think she'd wonder why he didn't protest his innocence more (not as an admission of guilt).

Reading the summation of the case (particularly the summation of the facts about the "removing of nappies" and so on....(that makes me very ill just now), I can't help but think that somehow, it does not add up.

I mean, lets think about this, a clearly pissed guy, gets the shoulder from the missus, zonks out, wakes up to his 4 year old daughter in the bed, (can't quite bring myself to write the rest)....... but how the hell would anyone expect to get away with it?.... I'm not excusing, or justifying it, just trying to put reason to the situation.

In the end, a Judge (Female one at that) gave a discharge.... clearly she took things into account that we know nothing about, possibly even a statement form the vitims Mother.

NO matter what, this guys life is Fu%$ed.
Forever.

A bigger injustice would have been done if he had only served a year or some silly thing.

In my opinion, the Judge has actually tailered the punishment to suit the guilty party.

[flyingcrocodile46]

why did he get away

Little c&nt. I have never liked him. Short people are sick in the head and inherently untrustworthy

[mashman]

Look, if he actually did what was accused then he should have been sentenced to a whole lot worse than imprisonment. I am risking harping on but, we just don't know!

If this was a complete fabrication by an angry and/or disturbed wife with an axe to grind, does he still then deserve to see the inside of a cell?

When you get on the wrong side of someone who is willing to tell stories about what you have supposedly done (fact or fiction) I will be there championing your cause until it is proved to me that you are guilty.

In the case we are discussing I have seen no such proof. What is reported in New Zealands papers I have long since learned to take with a pinch of salt. As has everyone else on this forum when it suits them.

Don't you Look me Mr Harperonna :shifty:... If she has been a bitch, then she has been a bitch... but as OAB mentioned earlier, you can bet yer arse I'd be kickin and screamin if I had been the victim of such viciousness... that doesn't exactly fill me full of confidence that the guy is innocent. Granted that shouldn't be enough to burn the guy, but we're talking about a kid here and hadn't he been "ordered" by the courts to stay away from children?

[Number One]

As someone who interviews these children, I can assure you THEY UNDERSTAND.

As someone whose child was recently interviewed about this very situation I'd like to say that your assurance that 'these people understand' is actually not at all convincing


A snippet from the media report which gives us a picture of what the Judge had to consider:

Judge Cunningham said she had also viewed the police video interview with the four year-old.
"What struck me about it was the wish of this child to see and be with her father again.''

THAT doesn't mean crap!

My boy still wants his poppa - thinks we are bad for putting him in jail...

Peados work within trusting relationships that's how come they can do what they do... The nasty violent ones are actually in the minority so abuse often happens under the guise of fun games etc. Victims will often collude with and desire contact with their abuser.

It's stomach churning and completely sick making - my boy still can't wait to see his poppa..not sure how I'm going to handle things if he still wants to see him when he gets out in the not to distant future.

BTW - his Poppa plead guilty, and went to counselling and told everyone (except us) how remorseful he was...means JACK SHIT. The second you use a kid for your own sexual gratification you may as well shoot yourself as far as I am concerned and being a bit too pissed to know what your doing is a pathetic and unconvincing 'excuse'.

[Crasherfromwayback]

As someone whose child was recently interviewed about this very situation I'd like to say that your assurance that 'these people understand' is actually not at all convincing


Think she meant the children understand no?

[Number One]

Think she meant the children understand no?

Ooops my bad - I thought she meant the interviewers. In that case....YES of course kids understand, just not in the same way as adults 'understand it'....that is the meaning they attach to it can be different - also part of why they may still want to see the person...

[Crasherfromwayback]

Ooops my bad - I thought she meant the interviewers. In that case....YES of course kids understand, just not in the same way as adults 'understand it'....that is the meaning they attach to it can be different - also part of why they may still want to see the person...

It could well be me being wrong, as I didn't read her post, just the bit you quoted.

But yeah...I reckon kids understand a shitload more than most adults give them credit for.

[Number One]

I reckon kids understand a shitload more than most adults give them credit for.

Sure do.

Actually one thing I have to say that this all throws up for me (other than the obvious of course) is that there is all this wasted energy on this guy and none on the victim.

Of course we don't want the poor poppet to have to deal with the media and the public and all that but why is it that the systems way of 'protecting the victim' with name suppression actually seems really only to ensure that it's the abuser who is protected. Also it's put a whole bunch of other people under suspicion. I'm not even sure who this guy is, I've seen various comments on various websites referring to several different guys now.

Name suppression is this country is a joke. How about name these buggers (when convicted I mean) and just suppress the details of the offending. The whole point of why child abuse is such a problem is that it's kept secret, it's swept under the carpet and these sick fuckers can fly under the radar and get themselves into positions where they could be a danger to kids.

Paedophilia is like alcoholism - there is no cure - you don't all of sudden stop being an alcoholic...involving a kid in sexytime is paedo behaviour.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Name suppression is this country is a joke. How about name these buggers (when convicted I mean) and just suppress the details of the offending. The whole point of why child abuse is such a problem is that it's kept secret, it's swept under the carpet and these sick fuckers can fly under the radar and get themselves into positions where they could be a danger to kids.

Paedophilia is like alcoholism - there is no cure - you don't all of sudden stop being an alcoholic...involving a kid in sexytime is paedo behaviour.

With you 100%. If I was a comedian here in NZ, I'd be spewing the guy hasn't been named. Oh...hang on...I am a comedian. Least I think I'm funny.

[ElCoyote]

pretty stunned here... "The offending cannot be seen as less serious because alcohol was a factor.''... so why isn't he in jail? because he makes people laugh? Tough bikkies, name him and jail him.

Where is Wikileaks when you need them?

[flyingcrocodile46]

Where is Wikileaks when you need them?

How about asking
246228

[short-circuit]

How about asking
246228

I'm telling on you








....cause you stepped on the garden and didn't say pardon,

I'm telling on you,

cause you shut the gate and made me late and turned me into a pancake

[Winston001]

How about asking
246228

Wha?? Bill and Ben the Flowerpot Men. That old pulp - they ain't paedophiles. Well, at least Ben ain't. Hardly sport to pot them...

[Winston001]

Its a hard one yeah?

Its sad that in this day and age that many people easily jump to the conclusion that someone is a paedophile, any man with a young girl not known to be his daughter is almost always met with thoughts or accusations regarding his intentions.

Its sad, and often why many men choose to leave teaching



Well said, its a tragedy that these days any male must guard against being alone with a child.


I've saw sicko hanging out at the local park here staring at the kids playing.
I asked him which was his daughter to which he said "I don't have any kids"
I told him he shouldn't hang out round here as someone might get the wrong idea...


http://static.fjcdn.com/gifs/Burger+King+FTW+real+men+curb+stomp_fa8638_780591. gif

And again, well said. Completely the opposite to Rach above but as a father myself, I have to agree.

Paedophilia is a sickness which affects a few and they tend to be on the margins of society. Most don't realise they have a problem. Many never act out their desire. But they find themselves fascinated by the innocence of children and drawn to places where children gather. Playgrounds. Swimming pools. Netball.

All it takes is a chance opportunity, perhaps some alcohol enhanced courage, and a wish becomes fulfilled. And your child's life will never be the same.

I've dealt with and represented such men. I have daughters who are gymnasts. I've seen lone men watching.

So I agree with Max. Its possible to be polite in such situations, nothing wrong with making it known children are watched out for.

[Banditbandit]

Name and shame him!! Nobody should get away with that sicko shit!
People like that should be made to have PEDO branded on their face.

He was given name supression to protect his daughter .. pretty standard in NZ law ... Naming people convicted of incest NEVER happens in Godzone so the victims of incest are not idientified ..

However, I couldn't believe he wasn't convicted ...

[SS90]

He was given name supression to protect his daughter .. pretty standard in NZ law ... Naming people convicted of incest NEVER happens in Godzone so the victims of incest are not idientified ..

However, I couldn't believe he wasn't convicted ...

I suspect he was offered consideration for a discharge, as I am guessing there are many disputed facts in the case, which would make for a drawn out case and horror for all involved.... You may find the complainants Mother may have, in her trauma, exaggerate certain points that may be material to the case....... The truth is we don't know, and never will........

Think about this, all you people who want him branded, sodomised, boiled in oil, then string up by his nut sack.... For someone to be discharged with out conviction on a child sex case, that they plead guilty to would have to be the rarest of the rare..... Indictaing to a reasonable person that there are facts we are not privy to.

Judges are held accountable, and the Judge will have to give clear reasons as to WHY he was discharged.

For what it is worth I would be happy to make a career from skinning kiddy fiddlers alive, hell, I would do it for free, but, the fact that a Judge, a Female one at that, discharged him, makes me think that this particular guy does not represent a danger to Children.

Judges simply don't make a habit of freeing Paedos "on a whim", they tend to lock them up as long as they can.....

[Katman]

I've saw sicko hanging out at the local park here staring at the kids playing.
I asked him which was his daughter to which he said "I don't have any kids"
I told him he shouldn't hang out round here as someone might get the wrong idea, to which he stupidly said "What you gonna do about it?"
I called the police and followed him to his house taunting him but the police never showed up.


Like blackdog, I don't have kids and am not likely to ever have any.

Heaven forbid that later in life a moment of melancholy should find me sitting in a park, watching children play, wondering what might have been.

Sometimes it's hard to work out just who the sickos really are.

[oldrider]

From an old persons perspective:

The school across the road from us was closed some time back .... I miss the sound of the children in the playground.

While in Christchurch waiting for my wife at an appointment in the hospital, I went for a walk amongst the mayhem that used to be the CBD.

Close to the Avon and in amongst the closed off area was a school and the kids were out to play.

The sound from the school yard eerily whispered it's music out through the rubble like a magic flute!

It was a beautiful sound to hear especially in that situation.

I felt like going closer and just watching the children at play for a moment! :innocent:

Alas, I just moved on and continued my walk.

When I related this to my family later, they were horrified that if I had gone and watched the and listened to the kids at play, I might have been arrested. FFS!

It seems we are automatically considered perverts as we become older!

What the hell has our country become! :facepalm:

It is beyond me how anybody can see children as sex objects in any way whatsoever! :sick:

How the comedian in question failed to be convicted on the evidence presented is beyond me!

All other innocent comedian's get an automatic conviction from the name suppression, while the perpetrator walks free! :yes:

[Edbear]

It's a tuffy for sure! Whenever I am out with my grandson and have to take him to the toilet it does cross my mind what people may be thinking to see an older (!) gentleman leading a young child into the loo! It sucks but it is the way society has become, I guess.

And I understand your feelings about the kids at play, too. I love watching them and the other day on my walk around the eastury, it passes the back field of the local College and there was one young girl running around just on the other side of the fence. I wasn't game to greet her or speak to her, as I was again, a lone older gentleman walking along the walkway, taking pictures of the scenery. I thought how sad society has become that we daren't innocently interact with children lest we are suspected of being peodophiles! :bye:

[Jdogg]

He was leaning against a fence staring at little girls including mine, in a small play ground the size of a tennis court. He had no other reason to be there as he didn't know any of the kids, and he looked like a sicko. Also when I rung the police while he was standing in front of me, he walked away instead of staying to defend himself.
So me and my partner being the only adults there thought we should make the area safe before we left the other three 4 - 7 year olds there alone (not our kids, were there when we got there).
Maybe you should do a search on how many registered sex offenders lurk in your area.

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/107258-Good-deed-for-the-day...

[Mad-V2]

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/107258-Good-deed-for-the-day...

Ya see! I'm not the only one who's paranoid! Good Work!
Your allowed on the superhero police force with me to catch these sickos :innocent:
You were lucky the cops actually turned up, they called me back on my phone when I was back at home.
Some of you need to wake up and realise that the world is not all rainbows and puppy dogs anymore, there are sick people who like to do sick things in our country.
There's your toe licker's, urine drinkers, shit eaters, rapists and pedo's same as every other country in the world.
Protect your kids in case one has moved to your neighbourhood.
Why not have a gander at THIS (http://www.safe-nz.org.nz/sxdb/sxdb.htm)

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THIS (http://www.safe-nz.org.nz/sxdb/sxdb.htm)

Ah that explains it.... you're one of them

[flyingcrocodile46]

Protect your kids in case one has moved to your neighbourhood.
Why not have a gander at THIS (http://www.safe-nz.org.nz/sxdb/sxdb.htm)


Wow! what an excellent recourse. Bookmarked and will be sent to friends.

[blackdog]

There's your toe licker's, urine drinkers, shit eaters...

I suppose you would have these people castrated/shot aswell? Don't forget we live in a 'free' country and they are completely entitled to lick, drink, eat as much as they like in the privacy of their own homes. Hell, they are even allowed to upload it to the internet so you can 'research' it.

[admenk]

Why not have a gander at THIS (http://www.safe-nz.org.nz/sxdb/sxdb.htm)

Well, it must be true then if they say it :innocent:

[imdying]

Ya see! I'm not the only one who's paranoid! Good Work!Yup, confronting people leaning on a fence and confronting people playing with their cock in public is definitely the same thing :facepalm:

[Mad-V2]

Ah that explains it.... you're one of them

one of what exactly?


I suppose you would have these people castrated/shot aswell? Don't forget we live in a 'free' country and they are completely entitled to lick, drink, eat as much as they like in the privacy of their own homes. Hell, they are even allowed to upload it to the internet so you can 'research' it.

Just pointing out problems people have, but yes you can drink as much urine and eat as much shit as you like in the privacy of your own home.
Doesn't make it normal behaviour though.


Yup, confronting people leaning on a fence and confronting people playing with their cock in public is definitely the same thing :facepalm:

No not quite, I just confronted him before he could get his hands down his pants.
It's called preventative measures.

[imdying]

No not quite, I just confronted him before he could get his hands down his pants.
It's called preventative measures.If I set you and your bike on fire as you're waiting at the on ramp before the motorway, because I think you're just about to start speeding, is that called a preventative measure?

[Mad-V2]

You could call it that but I would defend myself and kick your ass, whereas this guy didn't deny anything or defend himself at all.
If you came up and accused me of being a paedophile in that situation, I would defend myself in any way I could. I'd explain why I was there and I'd talk to the police (if they turned up) but I wouldn't say "what are you gonna do about it" and walk off when the police are called, that shit make you look even more guilty.
Anyway who gives a fuck what you think? I would do exactly the same thing if a saw him there again.

[imdying]

You could call it that but I would defend myself and kick your assNo, you'd burn like the person that did nothing wrong you were.

[scumdog]

Why not have a gander at THIS (http://www.safe-nz.org.nz/sxdb/sxdb.htm)

Ha!

They've even got DEAD people listed! (Do they think they're going to strike from the grave like zombies or somethign??:blink:)

What kind of an organisation would do that? - not a sensible one, that's for sure.

[Mad-V2]

Well it's better than no organisation at all.
There are other resources, but you have to be part of their organisation to view them.
My partner is part of one of them, which is why I'm so "paranoid" about sick fucks snatching/abusing kids. The other reason is because I'm a father, and like most normal fathers I'm very protective of my kids.

[short-circuit]

Heaven forbid that later in life a moment of melancholy should find me sitting in a park, watching children play, wondering what might have been.



Yeah you could end up Curb Kicked for that (possibly by some hero who swallows propaganda by a fringe group who want harsher sentences for violent offenders)....Love the irony

[PrincessBandit]

Just pointing out problems people have, ...............
Doesn't make it normal behaviour though.



They probably don't consider themselves abnormal.

[Mad-V2]

Well I would warn you first and give you a chance to explain yourself.
But if ya ask me what I'm gonna do about it, I will call in the law.
If ya find yourself in a park staring at other peoples kids for an hour, you have to realise that most parents will not appreciate it these days, and will most likely show you how they feel about it.

[Katman]

Well I would warn you first and give you a chance to explain yourself.


Here's my explanation. :motu:

[blackdog]

They probably don't consider themselves abnormal.

They possibly consider bikers abnormal!

[Crasherfromwayback]

I think all of you that have spoken out in support of the 'Entertainer' should read today's Dom. What the Editor has to say, I agree with 100%.

[blackdog]

I think all of you that have spoken out in support of the 'Entertainer' should read today's Dom. What the Editor has to say, I agree with 100%.

Just to clarify, I have not supported him. Only his right to due process.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Just to clarify, I have not supported him. Only his right to due process.

A lot of us wouldn't get quite the same amount of 'due process' I imagine.

[Mad-V2]

I think all of you that have spoken out in support of the 'Entertainer' should read today's Dom. What the Editor has to say, I agree with 100%.

Is there a online version you can point us too?
Or do I have to go buy a paper......

[oneofsix]

A lot of us wouldn't get quite the same amount of 'due process' I imagine.

You would be Ok, I reckon you could get enough people to testify that you are a comedian or at least entertaining. :yes:

Using their choice of living as an excuse to let them go sucks, it is as bad as blaming bad behaviour on alcohol. In both case you know the effects/risks before partaking so there is no excuse. This shows poor judgement and therefore should be enough to cost the judge their position.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Is there a online version you can point us too?
Or do I have to go buy a paper......

Ear ya go...

http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/comment/5568580/Editorial-Justice-is-not-a-laughing-matter

[Mad-V2]

Ear ya go...

http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/comment/5568580/Editorial-Justice-is-not-a-laughing-matter

Why thankyou,

And obviously I agree with this guy.
We're all just meat on a stick when it comes down to it. A bear is gonna eat you regardless of whether your funny, rich, powerful or a bum on the street.
If you put yourself in front of the bear and poke it with a stick you deserve to get eaten.
The same should go for the courts process and all laws in general.

[PrincessBandit]

They possibly consider bikers abnormal!

Some of us might be!!! :eek:

[SS90]

I think all of you that have spoken out in support of the 'Entertainer' should read today's Dom. What the Editor has to say, I agree with 100%.

Personally I cannot recall anyone " speaking out in support of the Entertainer", rather ( as has been pointed out), Support of due Process.....

I don't agree with the opinion in the Dominion personally, it is actually factually misleading.
The main misleading point is in relation to the "offender agreeing to the Police summation of facts"

To be considered for discharge with-out conviction, one of requirements is (among others) is that you have to accept the facts, as the Police present them, (I am 100% certain that had this arrangement not have been made, this would have first proceeded to a disputed facts hearing)

Personally, as an objective person, I look at the Dominion article, and see it as written by someone with not only an opinion, but also an agenda.

To get the discharge, this guy had to agree to th ePolice summation of facts, based on witness statements from a (rightly so) distraught woman, and nothing else.

The Judge had all the facts we don't.

Again, Judges don't make a habit of freeing Paedos.....

The article also mentions the guy who rubbed dunny water in his ex girlfriends face ( failing to mention what the situation was that made this normally reasonable (by all accounts) man act in such a way).... If I remember it was something to do with his cell phone she chucked in the shitter ( destruction of personal property, physical and emotional abuse, manipulation.... I'm starting to think the Woman in this case should have been charged

There are two sides to every story, and since this guy has accepted the discharge, we will never know his side.

Its actually against the law (contempt of court) for anyone to tell us.

[avgas]

Do most 4 year olds still wear nappies?

[Crasherfromwayback]

Do most 4 year olds still wear nappies?

Most of my friends have kids round that age. It would seem a lot of them wear 'pull ups' to bed in case of the odd slip up.

[Crasherfromwayback]

I don't agree with the opinion in the Dominion personally, it is actually factually misleading.
Personally, as an objective person, I look at the Dominion article, and see it as written by someone with not only an opinion, but also an agenda.

.

That's the great thing about opinions. We're all entitled to one. It's my opinion that the article is well written, but someone that has no agenda, nor any reason to have one. I think it quite righty points out that more often than is exceptable, certain people in society get away with certain things you or I might not, and shouldn't.

[oneofsix]

That's the great thing about opinions. We're all entitled to one. It's my opinion that the article is well written, but someone that has no agenda, nor any reason to have one. I think it quite righty points out that more often than is exceptable, certain people in society get away with certain things you or I might not, and shouldn't.

I think that was the point of the editorial, that it happens too often if you have some claim to fame and that justice is peaking beneath her blind fold. It isn't discussing the guilt or rights and wrongs of the particular case but the rights and wrong of the judges sentencing decisions.

[Crasherfromwayback]

I think that was the point of the editorial, that it happens too often if you have some claim to fame and that justice is peaking beneath her blind fold. It isn't discussing the guilt or rights and wrongs of the particular case but the rights and wrong of the judges sentencing decisions.

Absolutely...I fully agree.

[Jeremy]

He walked free because there was no gain in sentencing him.

IANAL, but a quick squizz at wikipedia will present you with the following reasons for sentencing.

Retribution ->Punishment imposed only on ground that an offense has been committed
Deterrence ->
To the individual - the individual is deterred through fear of further punishment.
To the general public - Potential offenders warned as to likely punishment
Rehabilitation -> To reform the offender's behavior
Incapacitation - Protection of the Public -> Offender is made incapable of committing further crime to protect society at large from crime
Reparation -> Repayment to victim(s) or to community
Denunciation -> Society expressing its disapproval reinforcing moral boundaries


We don't like Retribution and Denunciation sentences, those are "I just don't like you" types of sentences, and in this particular case makes circumstances worse for the victim. No point giving a deterrant sentence (what's the liklihood of reoffense?). No point in incapacitation sentence (who will it protect?). And a reparation sentence doesn't make sense either. And rehabilitation offense, well assuming that he gives up alcohol what more can you ask?

=> No sentence.

[Number One]

more often than is exceptable, certain people in society get away with certain things you or I might not, and shouldn't.

I can attest that average people with an unfunny or 'public' careers don't get away with it.

Unless someone fucks up the investigation or the evidence is not 'trial proof and the offender doesn't admit guilt'...oh wait this guy did admit guilt...oh yes that's right FOR SHAME Judge Whatsername

[SS90]

I can attest that average people with an unfunny or 'public' careers don't get away with it.

Unless someone fucks up the investigation or the evidence is not 'trial proof and the offender doesn't admit guilt'...oh wait this guy did admit guilt...oh yes that's right FOR SHAME Judge Whatsername

I think you are missing part of this, ...To recieve a discharge, you have to accept the Police summation of facts (unconditionally), AS WELL AS plead guilty.

That is the only reason he plead guilty, I am sure.

IF we was not offered considerration for discharge, the next stage would have been a disputed facts hearing, he would have plead not guilty, and put everyone through shit for the rest of there lives.

I think it has little to do with his status.......if it was a billionare, I would be more inclined to follow your train of thought though.....like Mark Ellis and the E story...... he ([I] am sure) is more wealthy than this comedian, and did get a conviction entered, as well as no name supression.

[actungbaby]

damm your not wrong there dude
dam pervert something wrong with that dude in the head
but wahats wrong with the judge gezz


http://msn.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10748953&ref=rss

Plead guilty to sexually abusing his daughter, yet fucking walks free? The judge said the effects of a conviction outweighs the seriousness of the charge? This is a fucking embarrassment. I hope the 'un-named' (who most know who it is) gets what is coming his way.

[edit] Unless of course his partner has the body of a four year old girl and wears nappies..........

[Madness]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/5790339/Comedians-sex-case-to-be-reviewed

[Crasherfromwayback]

Yeah I'll be very interested to hear from all the people that said they know him, the 'true facts' of the case if they do now change things.

[Number One]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/5790339/Comedians-sex-case-to-be-reviewed

To feckin right that decision should be reviewed