Booze and responsibility

[oneofsix]

Who is responsible for ensuring the safety of drunks and under aged kicked out of pubs? Also anything else around now to deal with booze responsibly.

[munster]

themselves!

[Scuba_Steve]

themselves!

exactly so why do we put so much pressure & responsibility on the owners of booze providing joints???

[Stirts]

themselves!

:killingme :rofl:

THAT IS SOME FUNNY SHIT RIGHT THERE!!!!

[oneofsix]

themselves!

only themselves? No responsibility for those that make the drink available and/or attractive? What about parents and society?
I would agree it is mainly themselves but have we a a society wrong to police drinking so much that it makes it a right of passage?

[Maha]

exactly so why do we put so much pressure & responsibility on the owners of booze providing joints???

We will get to the drug issue later...:blink:

[Parlane]

If it was really "themselves". Then there would be no checking of ID's, the age restriction would still apply, and if you got caught drinking you'd be arrested and charged. Takes the onus off the pub/bar/liquor store.

Might work? ...might.

The pubs are in the business to make money, either a door charge or by selling drinks. (Sometimes both.. cunts.)
My belief is that they should also be in the business to look after their paying customers, providing an easily accesible phone to call local numbers, security out in the car park (make sure no one drives home drunk, and to watch the bullshit fights people get in to).

In the end though, the onus is on you. You should know how you're getting home before you get out.

[Stirts]

No responsibility for those that make the drink available and/or attractive?

:facepalm:

"She was so attractive, I just had to rape her"!

[Parlane]

:facepalm:

"She was so attractive, I just had to rape her"!

So they did a slut walk... :facepalm:

[mashman]

Who is responsible for ensuring the safety of drunks and under aged kicked out of pubs? Also anything else around now to deal with booze responsibly.

it's the govts responsibility.

[Murray]

I have said it before - it should be compulsory for everyone to be bubble wrapped at all times!! If they are not its there own fault if they get hurt!!

[oneofsix]

:facepalm:

"She was so attractive, I just had to rape her"!

Ouch. I didn't see that association. I was thinking advertising, enticement etc not bullshit excuses for not taking responsibility for ones action when they hurt others. Sorry if that is understated, there are no excuses for rape.

[Stirts]

I have said it before - it should be compulsory for everyone to be bubble wrapped at all times!! If they are not its there own fault if they get hurt!!

And some people should be wrapped in Gladwrap

http://www.cryptofthedead.com/images/Screenshots/BadBoyBubby/Image4.jpg

[willytheekid]

Who is responsible for ensuring the safety of drunks and under aged kicked out of pubs? Also anything else around now to deal with booze responsibly.

I ran bars & nightclubs all around NZ for 14yrs, so I can safely say:
If it is a reputable establishment, they would not allow underage kids in full stop!, and its EASY to spot a fake ID!
As for drunks, my staff knew my stand in regards to serving drunks....its your fine & your job if you serve a drunk!...sell them some food instead and alert security & myself so we can ensure they are not "feed" drinks or if nessacery -removed from the premise!
So the responcibility IS on the bar manager and their staff! If they come through the door, we look after them! & we take responcibility for them (that was our job), to the point where shouting a taxi for anyone who needed it was covered by a "taxi fund" that we invested in (this ensured our patrons would get home safe & they always apriciated it).
As for drugs!!....if you bought drugs into my bar....well....pitty you!
I had a very good relationship with the local cops and they where MORE than happy to pop down and scrape up what was left of a drug pusher......BUT, as I ran a ROCKBAR! We realised alot of the regulars smoked the wackybacky....easy!, we sent them across the road to a offstreet car park to smoke it....the Cops all knew what they were doing over there, but just walked past and gave Us a wave :yes: -as Sarg said to me one night: "we know were they are,what there doing and that we were directing them there....but we also know there being monitored by you & your staff and were happy to turn a blind eye as there not causing any trouble or doing it in sight of the public"....now thats reasonable aint it! (But bring it into the bar....and I would ban you for LIFE! and call the cops!)

[oneofsix]

I have said it before - it should be compulsory for everyone to be bubble wrapped at all times!! If they are not its there own fault if they get hurt!!

News just in, there has been an alarming number of New Zealanders found suffocated in bubble wrap. There were no other signs of physical harm to any of the victims

[Parlane]

and some people should be wrapped in gladwrap

246547


why?!!!! :(

[oneofsix]

I ran bars & nightclubs all around NZ for 14yrs, so I can safely say:
If it is a reputable establishment, they would not allow underage kids in full stop!, and its EASY to spot a fake ID!
As for drunks, my staff knew my stand in regards to serving drunks....its your fine & your job if you serve a drunk!...sell them some food instead and alert security & myself so we can ensure they are not "feed" drinks or if nessacery -removed from the premise!
So the responcibility IS on the bar manager and their staff! If they come through the door, we look after them! & we take responcibility for them (that was our job), to the point where shouting a taxi for anyone who needed it was covered by a "taxi fund" that we invested in (this ensured our patrons would get home safe & they always apriciated it).
As for drugs!!....if you bought drugs into my bar....well....pitty you!
I had a very good relationship with the local cops and they where MORE than happy to pop down and scrape up what was left of a drug pusher......BUT, as I ran a ROCKBAR! We realised alot of the regulars smoked the wackybacky....easy!, we sent them across the road to a offstreet car park to smoke it....the Cops all knew what they were doing over there, but just walked past and gave Us a wave :yes: -as Sarg said to me one night: "we know were they are,what there doing and that we were directing them there....but we also know there being monitored by you & your staff and were happy to turn a blind eye as there not causing any trouble or doing it in sight of the public"....now thats reasonable aint it! (But bring it into the bar....and I would ban you for LIFE! and call the cops!)

I like the attitude and responsibility you showed, pity that as the world has become more $ focused people such as yourself are forced out of the industry. I also like the attitude of the police in working with you and not against as they are so often portrayed.

[oneofsix]

We will get to the drug issue later...:blink:

but booze is a drug so why not include other drugs :innocent:

[Haggis2]

If bars and booze sellers are responsible then its the bike manufacturers fault if we go wheels up too?

[gijoe1313]

With alcamahol, it makes it easier to ... Burn them!

[Stirts]

why?!!!! :(

It's irresponsible of them to take air from the responsible.

[oneofsix]

It's irresponsible of them to take air from the responsible.

oh bother here I was thinking it was to do with sex. :blink:

[Stirts]

oh bother here I was thinking it was to do with sex. :blink:

It could, be if you were that way inclined. Would make you a Necrophiliac practicing safe sex, that is very responsible. :yes:

[willytheekid]

I like the attitude and responsibility you showed, pity that as the world has become more $ focused people such as yourself are forced out of the industry. I also like the attitude of the police in working with you and not against as they are so often portrayed.

Cheers mate

Yeah I left the industry because I strongly objected too selling piss to children!....and I really got sick of explaining the law to them just to get swung at or spat on! :shit:
The cops were very good to deal with, very reasonable and they always helped us to keep our bar at the fore front of good standards and service....they were much better than the ChCh City council!... who seemed to be out to protect there mates bars while they ran illegal drink promos and dragged the towns standards down (Chch).
After I lost "self control" one night and nearly seriously hurt a 17yr old for spitting in my face for not letting him in...I walked away and found a new career.

[oneofsix]

It could, be if you were that way inclined. Would make you a Necrophiliac practicing safe sex, that is very responsible. :yes:

A bit too cold for me, I like a warm body, living as well, shared enjoyment and all that :woohoo:.

[Scuba_Steve]

I ran bars & nightclubs all around NZ for 14yrs, so I can safely say:
If it is a reputable establishment, they would not allow underage kids in full stop!, and its EASY to spot a fake ID!

Not always, back in the day I let a mate borrow my ID no-one could tell it wasn't him in the photo, he did look slightly different but really no more than I did, So no-one was able to tell he was only 17 not 18 as I was.

But I guess if ya taking faked ID's rather than borrowed (tho most of these can be spotted too) then yea your probably right

[oneofsix]

Cheers mate

Yeah I left the industry because I strongly objected too selling piss to children!....and I really got sick of explaining the law to them just to get swung at or spat on! :shit:
The cops were very good to deal with, very reasonable and they always helped us to keep our bar at the fore front of good standards and service....they were much better than the ChCh City council!... who seemed to be out to protect there mates bars while they ran illegal drink promos and dragged the towns standards down (Chch).
After I lost "self control" one night and nearly seriously hurt a 17yr old for spitting in my face for not letting him in...I walked away and found a new career.

You allude to one of the hidden issues with your comment about the council. I do wonder if whilst these councils like to take pot shots at bars they aren't also a big part of the drinking problem.

I understand how immature youths can be, it is not like the 17 year old didn't know the law in the first place. And I think this also makes the issue worse as they only ones willing to put up with that sort of shit are the ones that don't care about their customers, they only see the $ signs.

[willytheekid]

Not always, back in the day I let a mate borrow my ID no-one could tell it wasn't him in the photo, he did look slightly different but really no more than I did, So no-one was able to tell he was only 17 not 18 as I was.

But I guess if ya taking faked ID's rather than borrowed (tho most of these can be spotted too) then yea your probably right

LOL, yeah its hard to spot look alikes...but if he had looked young, we would have posed the "trick" questions in regards to his ID - Star sign etc, you can't catch them all, but its about the constant effort & vigilance @ the door.....we got them eventually :msn-wink:..then banned them for life! lol


You allude to one of the hidden issues with your comment about the council. I do wonder if whilst these councils like to take pot shots at bars they aren't also a big part of the drinking problem.

I understand how immature youths can be, it is not like the 17 year old didn't know the law in the first place. And I think this also makes the issue worse as they only ones willing to put up with that sort of shit are the ones that don't care about their customers, they only see the $ signs.

Yeah the local council is shocking in regards to the double standards and looking ou for there mates as such....really used to piss me off!, run a clean bar and watch the unit down the road sell $1 drinks and chuck heavily intoxed kids out on the street all night with apparently no repercussions?...at least we had the cops on our side and great locals who appriciated & respected what we did.

For the record.....I ran the RockyCola Cafe on manchester St- (before that Idiot from Shooters bought it and ran it into the ground!)...put 5yrs hard effort into that place and loved it! Best little Rock bar in NZ and the safest! (Boss got the best Council, LLA, & police report in 30yrs out of that bar & my staff...damn proud of that!)

[Scuba_Steve]

LOL, yeah its hard to spot look alikes...but if he had looked young, we would have posed the "trick" questions in regards to his ID - Star sign etc, you can't catch them all, but its about the constant effort & vigilance @ the door.....we got them eventually :msn-wink:..then banned them for life! lol


Yea well I think that was it, we coulda been mistaken for twins... or at-least brothers, as for the star sign, fuck that woulda got me rejected even :facepalm::laugh:

[tigertim20]

only themselves? No responsibility for those that make the drink available and/or attractive? What about parents and society?
I would agree it is mainly themselves but have we a a society wrong to police drinking so much that it makes it a right of passage?

Ive worked for years at bars, and what I discovered was that 95% of those young poeple thought they had a RIGHT to drink as much as they wanted and do whatever they wanted. When you are an external force trying to place some boundaries for safety, you get spat on, shoved, told to fuck off, have the nature of your parentage questioned, call a fucking coon ass scum nigger who should fuck off back to africa, and thats just the polite stuff. Theres also the ones that just start throwing punches when its suggested to them that they have had a couple too many. More often than not, their friends will jump in too. They'll insist 'nah nah nah, hes ok Bro, we will look after him, nah its sweet, he can stay' On the few occaisions you trust these friends, you see these friends at the bar 5 minutes later, buying more alcahol for the intoxicated party, because they have been cut off from the bar.

This all stems from all the PC rubbish, where kids are bought up understanding that they have all the rights, and knowing that you cant smack your kids/lay a hand on anyone without them being able to press charges and drag you through the court system.

Its become less about 'take responsibility' and more about 'fuck you, cunt, I can do whatever the fuck I want'. Of course, when 'doing what they want' results in harm to them, suddenly, the people who tried to provide a boundary and got abused, somehow land with the blame. Its wider than just the individual taking responsibility, It goes back to us having created a society over the last 10-15 years that says kids have all these rights.

Fuck that, theyre kids, they have a right to go to school be fed and kept healthy, and they have a right to shut the fuck up. thats it.

Rabt over!:drinkup:

[slofox]

...it should be compulsory for everyone to be bubble wrapped at all times!!

And stored in a glass case

[Murray]

I enjoy drinking
I enjoy betting on the races
I enjoy rugby
I enjoy smoking
I enjoy motorcycling

Now there are a number of people who will tell me off for one or more (or the lot) of these but they can get stuffed. I choose to take responsibility for my life and whatever consequences it may force on me.

Everyone should be responsible for themselves!!!!

I enjoy life and always think of the wise words spoken to me many years ago "you only have a short life and your a helluva long time dead"

[oneofsix]

Ive worked for years at bars, and what I discovered was that 95% of those young poeple thought they had a RIGHT to drink as much as they wanted and do whatever they wanted. When you are an external force trying to place some boundaries for safety, you get spat on, shoved, told to fuck off, have the nature of your parentage questioned, call a fucking coon ass scum nigger who should fuck off back to africa, and thats just the polite stuff. Theres also the ones that just start throwing punches when its suggested to them that they have had a couple too many. More often than not, their friends will jump in too. They'll insist 'nah nah nah, hes ok Bro, we will look after him, nah its sweet, he can stay' On the few occaisions you trust these friends, you see these friends at the bar 5 minutes later, buying more alcahol for the intoxicated party, because they have been cut off from the bar.

This all stems from all the PC rubbish, where kids are bought up understanding that they have all the rights, and knowing that you cant smack your kids/lay a hand on anyone without them being able to press charges and drag you through the court system.

Its become less about 'take responsibility' and more about 'fuck you, cunt, I can do whatever the fuck I want'. Of course, when 'doing what they want' results in harm to them, suddenly, the people who tried to provide a boundary and got abused, somehow land with the blame. Its wider than just the individual taking responsibility, It goes back to us having created a society over the last 10-15 years that says kids have all these rights.

Fuck that, theyre kids, they have a right to go to school be fed and kept healthy, and they have a right to shut the fuck up. thats it.

Rabt over!:drinkup:

I appreciated what you are saying. I think it needs to be remembered that the 95% you had trouble with is only 95% of the subset of the kids out there that went to the bars.
Rights? what rights? You are allowed to do no harm to and to not annoy others. Kids are good at pushing boundaries, its part of growing up however the do gooders need to learn that the kids need firm boundaries to push against, you don't do them any favours by removing the boundaries and you can't make the boundaries so soft that they are ineffectual.

[willytheekid]

Ive worked for years at bars, and what I discovered was that 95% of those young poeple thought they had a RIGHT to drink as much as they wanted and do whatever they wanted. When you are an external force trying to place some boundaries for safety, you get spat on, shoved, told to fuck off, have the nature of your parentage questioned, call a fucking coon ass scum nigger who should fuck off back to africa, and thats just the polite stuff. Theres also the ones that just start throwing punches when its suggested to them that they have had a couple too many. More often than not, their friends will jump in too. They'll insist 'nah nah nah, hes ok Bro, we will look after him, nah its sweet, he can stay' On the few occaisions you trust these friends, you see these friends at the bar 5 minutes later, buying more alcahol for the intoxicated party, because they have been cut off from the bar.

This all stems from all the PC rubbish, where kids are bought up understanding that they have all the rights, and knowing that you cant smack your kids/lay a hand on anyone without them being able to press charges and drag you through the court system.

Its become less about 'take responsibility' and more about 'fuck you, cunt, I can do whatever the fuck I want'. Of course, when 'doing what they want' results in harm to them, suddenly, the people who tried to provide a boundary and got abused, somehow land with the blame. Its wider than just the individual taking responsibility, It goes back to us having created a society over the last 10-15 years that says kids have all these rights.

Fuck that, theyre kids, they have a right to go to school be fed and kept healthy, and they have a right to shut the fuck up. thats it.

Rabt over!:drinkup:

:clap::not: Bloody well said Tim, and yet sadly very true....I blame a Govn't that didn't listen to those of us in the industry who fore told the outcome of selling Piss to kids!.....we begged them not to lower the age due to the effects it would have on the both the industry and the community as a whole....but what did we know eh?

And for the record...If ANYONE had spoken to you in that manner in my bar (staff or customer)....they would have got thrown out the door so fast, that they would have cleared the bloody footpath! (and banned from coming back!)....hated the racist shitheads!....I got rid of those sorts REAL quick :msn-wink:

[tigertim20]

:And for the record...If ANYONE had spoken to you in that manner in my bar (staff or customer)....they would have got thrown out the door so fast, that they would have cleared the bloody footpath! (and banned from coming back!)....hated the racist shitheads!....I got rid of those sorts REAL quick :msn-wink:

yeah I was a head doorman for a couple years of that time at a few of the busier clubs. I left and didnt go back because the urge to do some damage became all too much. I was for a time the only white security member, and I still got called a fucking nigger. -go figure. Half the problem I found, was that unless the patron had actually hit someone, the cops were generally unwilling to do anything about it, theyd just tell the patron to go home. not even so much as a lecture/threat of arrest for abuse etc.

its a shame, the people that work at bars put up with a hell of a lot of shit, so that 'the lads can go out and have a few'. and there are certain stereotypes that absolutely were accurate when it came to those most likely to get too drunk and or cause fights.

I seldom go out to pubs now. I go to rallies with a few thousand bikers, get on the piss, with basically no security, and Im yet to see a punchup at a rally:woohoo:. Or I drink at home with a couple mates, but I cant be fucked with town after all the shit Ive seen and had to deal with.:facepalm:

[willytheekid]

yeah I was a head doorman for a couple years of that time at a few of the busier clubs. I left and didnt go back because the urge to do some damage became all too much. I was for a time the only white security member, and I still got called a fucking nigger. -go figure. Half the problem I found, was that unless the patron had actually hit someone, the cops were generally unwilling to do anything about it, theyd just tell the patron to go home. not even so much as a lecture/threat of arrest for abuse etc.

its a shame, the people that work at bars put up with a hell of a lot of shit, so that 'the lads can go out and have a few'. and there are certain stereotypes that absolutely were accurate when it came to those most likely to get too drunk and or cause fights.

I seldom go out to pubs now. I go to rallies with a few thousand bikers, get on the piss, with basically no security, and Im yet to see a punchup at a rally:woohoo:. Or I drink at home with a couple mates, but I cant be fucked with town after all the shit Ive seen and had to deal with.:facepalm:

Know the feeling Tim :yes:
I havn't had a drink in yrs (I stopped drinking about 7yrs ago...not by choice...it just happened?...havn't looked back to be honest), and I refuse! to go to a Bar now days....I click into "work mode" if I do, so I don't enjoy it at all.

[oneofsix]

I seldom go out to pubs now. I go to rallies with a few thousand bikers, get on the piss, with basically no security, and Im yet to see a punchup at a rally:woohoo:. Or I drink at home with a couple mates, but I cant be fucked with town after all the shit Ive seen and had to deal with.:facepalm:

Suspect there is some form group responsibility working at the rallies. We often refer to a biker community so wonder if that is the sort of thing. Whereas at the pub it is more likely to be factions rather than communities, Referring to the Shooters type pub Willy mentioned here not the local regular type pub if they even still exist. I imagine if you are a regular at your local or even it just being your community local (emphasis on community) then the standard of behaviour is much like at a rally.

[oneofsix]

now here is a guy that just went down in my esteem, like that's going to worry him.


Comedian Jon Gadsby faces sentencing just before Christmas for his third drink-driving conviction after being caught driving with a very high breath-alcohol reading in June.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/5594295/Gadsby-guilty-of-repeat-drink-driving

Once could be a mistake depending how close you were to the limit etc, twice is pushing it and time to reassess what you are doing but three times? Does he have a problem?

[avgas]

http://www.google.co.nz/search?client=opera&rls=en&q=your+argument+is+invalid&oe=utf-8&channel=suggest&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wi&biw=1339&bih=687

[Parlane]

http://www.google.co.nz/search?client=opera&rls=en&q=your+argument+is+invalid&oe=utf-8&channel=suggest&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wi&biw=1339&bih=687


You use opera... :innocent:

[tigertim20]

now here is a guy that just went down in my esteem, like that's going to worry him.

.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/5594295/Gadsby-guilty-of-repeat-drink-driving

Once could be a mistake depending how close you were to the limit etc, twice is pushing it and time to reassess what you are doing but three times? Does he have a problem?

this is a bit of a LOL actually, I worked with his Son, David at one of the aforementioned bars, he was one of the glassies. . .

[scumdog]

I seldom go out to pubs now. I go to rallies with a few thousand bikers, get on the piss, with basically no security, and Im yet to see a punchup at a rally:woohoo:.

You've got a point, I've been to say...around 100+ rallies and seen only three punch-ups - which were promptly jumped on by all around them.

Go to a pub (Or as is mainly the case with me - get called to one) on a Saturday night where there are 100 - 150 or so people and there's always a punch-up or two during the night - or a shrieking hair-pulling scratching bitch-fight. (And then there's the women!).

What is wrong with these wankers??????

[tigertim20]

What is wrong with these wankers??????

think youve answered your own question there. . .:yes:

[blue rider]

booze and responsibility

t'is an oxymoron

[scumdog]

booze and responsibility

t'is an oxymoron

Ha, right up there with 'friendly fire'!:yes:

[FJRider]

Ha, right up there with 'friendly fire'!:yes:

And ... Military Intelligence ... :facepalm:

[onearmedbandit]

Along with 'Honda' and 'heterosexual'.

[scumdog]

Harley Power??:blink:

[idb]

You've got a point, I've been to say...around 100+ rallies and seen only three punch-ups - which were promptly jumped on by all around them.

Go to a pub (Or as is mainly the case with me - get called to one) on a Saturday night where there are 100 - 150 or so people and there's always a punch-up or two during the night - or a shrieking hair-pulling scratching bitch-fight. (And then there's the women!).

What is wrong with these wankers??????

Yeah sorry...I'll never do it again...again.

[tigertim20]

Ha, right up there with 'friendly fire'!:yes:

and 'microsoft works'

[Scuba_Steve]

and 'microsoft works'

microsoft security, police intelligence:shutup::innocent:, "the right honorable" [MP], peace war

[Scuba_Steve]

Since this has got a little off track with the oxymorons back to the booze

Whats peoples thoughts on current booze age?

I personally don't think the age is the problem it's the anti that we have towards booze. It's no, no, no until 18 (or they get their hands on it) then they just go "crazy" (cat outta the bag n all that) I think getting brought up round booze, getting taught "proper" is whats needed, parental responsibility... That thing we keep trying to legislate out.

[scumdog]

Since this has got a little off track with the oxymorons back to the booze

Whats peoples thoughts on current booze age?

I personally don't think the age is the problem it's the anti that we have towards booze. It's no, no, no until 18 (or they get their hands on it) then they just go "crazy" (cat outta the bag n all that) I think getting brought up round booze, getting taught "proper" is whats needed, parental responsibility... That thing we keep trying to legislate out.

Fuck the little pricks "I'm 18 so I can do blah-blah-blah" shit - an 18 year old is a 12 year old that's lived a further 6 years without any change in their thought process ...and giving them the vote etc is like giving a chimp and AK47:whistle:
Make it 21 again.

Don't expect the parents to suddenly be responsible - the little shits that get pissed and cause trouble are of no interest to the parents once they're out of the house.

[Scuba_Steve]

Fuck the little pricks "I'm 18 so I can do blah-blah-blah" shit - an 18 year old is a 12 year old that's lived a further 6 years without any change in their thought process ...and giving them the vote etc is like giving a chimp and AK47:whistle:
Make it 21 again.

Don't expect the parents to suddenly be responsible - the little shits that get pissed and cause trouble are of no interest to the parents once they're out of the house.

I tend to find the 18yr olds like that come from the "no, no, no" families & I wasn't talking about parental responsibility at 18 I was talking on their way upto 18, a bit of "here you can have a wee bit don't be a twat" as they were growing up, so as to teach them about the booze & not have the "cat outta the bag" problem

[tigertim20]

Since this has got a little off track with the oxymorons back to the booze

Whats peoples thoughts on current booze age?

I personally don't think the age is the problem it's the anti that we have towards booze. It's no, no, no until 18 (or they get their hands on it) then they just go "crazy" (cat outta the bag n all that) I think getting brought up round booze, getting taught "proper" is whats needed, parental responsibility... That thing we keep trying to legislate out.

I do think that the issue could be reduced a bit if parents took better attitudes when teaching their kids about booze.Growing up, I was allowed to sip the foam off dads beer at 12, by 13 I was allowed a half glass of wine aat christmas, 14 I could have a full glass on special occaisions, 15, I was allowed a couple of cans If I went to a party and so on. I think it made alcahol less of a 'Ooooh never been allowed this, lets get into it'. I've never given into 'heres a shot, knock it back' 'or chug chug chug' chantsfrom friends, Idrink MY drink at MY speed.
Having siad that there have been occaisions when Ive had WAYYYYY to much, and nobody else was to blame.

The problem is that them in govt think that chronological ordering is the way to go for setting 'responsibility'. which is odd. look at it this way.
at 16, you can legally fuck, get pregnant and have a baby. you are solely responsible for that baby, its completely dependent on you for the necessities of life, and you are in charge of everything that baby does, eats or consumes.

Yet, its not untill you are TWO yearsolder, that you are deemed responsible enough to oversee what goes into your OWN body, i.e. ciggarettes and alcahol.
whats the age of responsibility then?

Its got to do with alot more than just age.

[Usarka]

I reckon. At 16 you can stick your dick in a fat ugly mole and get burdened with her while you try to do the right thing by raising the unwanted kid that slides out of her cavernous hole, but you can't sink some beers in which the most likely bad outcome is passing out with the toilet duck holder wedged in your ear and spew encrusting in each nostril.

[scumdog]

I reckon. At 16 you can stick your dick in a fat ugly mole and get burdened with her while you try to do the right thing by raising the unwanted kid that slides out of her cavernous hole, but you can't sink some beers in which the most likely bad outcome is passing out with the toilet duck holder wedged in your ear and spew encrusting in each nostril.

Speaking from experience eh?...:whistle::killingme

[fuknKIWI]

exactly so why do we put so much pressure & responsibility on the owners of booze providing joints???

There's a two way avenue by the title of "duty of care"

[ynot slow]

Gone are the days of going to pub and getting in one week,unable the next lol,depending on bands playing as a 19yr old.

Had a cop ask me for ID as a 20yr old one night,was sitting round a table and he picked out my brother and myself,as we went outside looked at each other wondering what or who had died.But they wanted to do age checks,was easy as as I was 20 and brother was 19(he was 13 mths younger)we would switch birth years,so I said he's my older bro,his dob is 12,11,61 etc,and showed my licence ,both cops conferred and we were let in.

But in those days closing was 11pm,we never tanked up much before.Unlike kids today with bars open till 3am etc.

I stand by the fact 18 for beer and wine in cafes and off licences/supermarkets,but 20 for spirits,take away rtd's for 18yr olds,and lower the alcohol to 5%none of the higher %rtd's.

[scumdog]

I stand by the fact 18 for beer and wine in cafes and off licences/supermarkets,but 20 for spirits,take away rtd's for 18yr olds,and lower the alcohol to 5%none of the higher %rtd's.

The Govt tried to put the young ones off RTDs in Aussie by boosting the price of them etc.

Didn't work, they just went out and bought a bottle of El Cheapo vodka, some soda-pop and made their own RTDs.

[Scuba_Steve]

I stand by the fact 18 for beer and wine in cafes and off licences/supermarkets,but 20 for spirits,take away rtd's for 18yr olds,and lower the alcohol to 5%none of the higher %rtd's.

See I don't know bout that, I started out on the spirits so did a few mates & we never joined the "booze culture" it was the beer drinkers that became part of the "culture". People just keep looking at the higher % in sprits & claiming them "worse", but neglect that all booze has different effects. So why should sprits come with a higher age?
As for RTD's don't care can get rid of them if ya like, their convenient but not particularly good. I don't actually know anyone who started out on RTD's either, the starter of choice for the people I know was passion pop.

[ynot slow]

Scuba can see your thinking too,there is many views eh?I also worked with a guy who only drank rtd bourben etc or similar not beer,so food for thought,just see many young girls especially hitting rtd's.