Speed camera tickets almost double [Archive]

Scuba_Steve

15th September 2011, 08:50

"It's about road safety, not about revenue gathering". Paula Rose

:killingme :killingme :killingme Yea & those Russian chicks really DO think your pic was sexy on that dating site you never signed up for

oneofsix

15th September 2011, 08:55

"It's about road safety, not about revenue gathering". Paula Rose

yeah right

yep and exactly how does something you get in the post a month later slow you down at the time. :facepalm:
Accident rate down, camera tickets up. If they were about safety should they both have tracked down?

Scuba_Steve

15th September 2011, 09:00

yep and exactly how does something you get in the post a month later slow you down at the time. :facepalm:
Accident rate down, camera tickets up. If they were about safety should they both have tracked down?

don't forget avg speed is down too, that's why their introducing the 4km/h tolerance to keep profit up :yes:

bogan

15th September 2011, 09:06

Accident rate down, camera tickets up. If they were about safety should they both have tracked down?

Depends on the connection. Oppression based measures decrease the offending by increasing the penalties. Education based measures decreases both the offending, and the need for further education.

oneofsix

15th September 2011, 09:13

don't forget avg speed is down too, that's why their introducing the 4km/h tolerance to keep profit up :yes:

burn the cameras :devil2: that will push the profits down.

pzkpfw

15th September 2011, 09:29

It woke up the old gits at the AA: http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/5628148/Speed-camera-tickets-nearly-double

oneofsix

15th September 2011, 09:34

It woke up the old gits at the AA: http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/5628148/Speed-camera-tickets-nearly-double

he would have a point if he had also asked for a return of only using the cameras in high risk areas. This would further prove it wasn't revenue gather but guess it is harder to disprove the truth.

Zedder

15th September 2011, 09:37

It woke up the old gits at the AA: http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/5628148/Speed-camera-tickets-nearly-double

Interesting article that. Did you vote on the opinion poll?

willytheekid

15th September 2011, 09:38

Sums it up perfectly:

"But AA motoring affairs general manager Mike Noon said the public was concerned the cameras were for revenue gathering, rather than safety.

He said instead of having the speed cameras hidden, there should be signs in place to alert motorists."

"We think that will cause motorists to slow down more in those areas. If they do that then [police] will achieve their job of making that area safer."

And this makes sense:
"Noon said 93 per cent of members also wanted revenues from new fines to be spent on road safety, rather than going to the Government's general account"

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$(Its for safety...honest!)$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Zedder

15th September 2011, 09:56

Did anyone vote in the AA opinion poll?

Coolz

15th September 2011, 10:08

Did anyone vote in the AA opinion poll?

I voted the last option (Police targeting the average driver)

Zedder

15th September 2011, 10:32

I voted the last option (Police targeting the average driver)

Cool. It's always good to see the results.

Scuba_Steve

15th September 2011, 10:35

I voted the last option (Police targeting the average driver)

yep I hit that one too. To see results, not that they mean alot with people able to script votes to get the result they want

Zedder

15th September 2011, 10:53

yep I hit that one too. To see results, not that they mean alot with people able to script votes to get the result they want

I don't really see the point in voting and not meaning it just to see the results.

thehovel

15th September 2011, 13:36

It woke up the old gits at the AA: http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/5628148/Speed-camera-tickets-nearly-double
There are signs to warn you that speed cameras are there.They are speed signs if you don't know the speed limit you shouldn't be driving or riding. If you want to cut the number of tickets,don't brake the law.
Two things that caught me eye; 1 at a number of the sights that cameras are placed accidents increased. 2 if it was not revenue gathering but safety, put the funds gathered in to road safety not the general account.

Regards Richard
PS I get my licence back in 10 days.:shutup:

Parlane

15th September 2011, 13:37

Has anyone seen an unbiased poll on Stuff? At times there is never an answer I agree with, and others 3 votes say the same thing and 1 says kind of what you want to vote with.. So you end up not voting, and then it looks like everyone agrees with the author of the poll :facepalm:

Scuba_Steve

15th September 2011, 13:47

Parlane

15th September 2011, 13:49

Welcome to the great propaganda machine, I don't think I've ever seen a "news" article which isn't biased.

I miss the good ol' days of :

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admenk

15th September 2011, 14:24

I miss the good ol' days of :

Who
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Blimey, when was that? Sadly, propaganda and underlying messages are as old as the written word :yes:

Parlane

15th September 2011, 14:26

Blimey, when was that? Sadly, propaganda and underlying messages are as old as the written word :yes:

I think I was 10. :innocent:

SPman

15th September 2011, 14:45

don't forget avg speed is down too, that's why their introducing the 4km/h tolerance to keep profit up :yes:add that the cameras are only accurate to 2% and the average speedo is out by 5-8%, and the official tolerance levels look like just what they are - a heavy handed authoritarian fuck you, to the motoring public!

...and the police out there that actually know and care about what's going on, on the roads, few though they seem to be.....

Zedder

15th September 2011, 15:59

The "Stuff" poll in question was quite good this time with some better worded options unlike the NZ Herald ones.

Berries

15th September 2011, 17:29

There are signs to warn you that speed cameras are there.
Signs as in a dubious looking van parked at the side of the road, or signs as in round things stuck to posts that say Speed Camera Area? They all went years ago. Funny thing is those signs identified sites where speed related crashes took place (supposedly) so the signs had some kind of affect 24 hours a day as a warning to motorists to take care - they were as much about road safety as the cameras were. Without them, like someone else has said, you get told you were speeding long after the event which does nothing to reduce your speed or improve your safety on the day in question.

Without signs and without demerits they are just a very cheap way of making lots and lots of money.

LBD

15th September 2011, 17:58

Signs as in a dubious looking van parked at the side of the road, or signs as in round things stuck to posts that say Speed Camera Area? They all went years ago. Funny thing is those signs identified sites where speed related crashes took place (supposedly) so the signs had some kind of affect 24 hours a day as a warning to motorists to take care - they were as much about road safety as the cameras were. Without them, like someone else has said, you get told you were speeding long after the event which does nothing to reduce your speed or improve your safety on the day in question.

Without signs and without demerits they are just a very cheap way of making lots and lots of money.

Agree

I recall signs that said "You are entering a speed camera area"....Not sure if NZ or elsewhwre....but a good idea in my opinion...put them up in high risk areas to slow traffic....if you get caught in one of these areas then you deserve it.

Some will say that the whole country is a speed camera zone ATM, however if the Govt/police were serious about addressing safety in high risk areas then targeting speeding with cameras and warning signs in high risk areas would be a good start

Oblivion

15th September 2011, 18:53

Agree

I recall signs that said "You are entering a speed camera area"....Not sure if NZ or elsewhwre....but a good idea in my opinion...put them up in high risk areas to slow traffic....if you get caught in one of these areas then you deserve it.

Some will say that the whole country is a speed camera zone ATM, however if the Govt/police were serious about addressing safety in high risk areas then targeting speeding with cameras and warning signs in high risk areas would be a good start

Even if they had a false positive system, where there was meant to be a speeding camera, but wasnt. As long as the Wannabe Rossi's slow the hell down.

LBD

15th September 2011, 19:55

Even if they had a false positive system, where there was meant to be a speeding camera, but wasnt. As long as the Wannabe Rossi's slow the hell down.

yup....just a warning you are entering an area that may have a speed camera....but do not use speed cameras outside of those areas, leave that to the reg patrolling cops, This way speed cameras will be seen for what they should be...a deterrent to speeding in high risk areas...

JimO

15th September 2011, 20:23

wernt they supposed to be in "black spots", the speed cameras in dunedin arnt in black spots

scumdog

15th September 2011, 20:52

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Without signs and without demerits they are just a very cheap way of making lots and lots of money.

Only from those who don't care/don't realise they are speeding, glad it's not me....:woohoo:

scumdog

15th September 2011, 20:54

yup....just a warning you are entering an area that may have a speed camera....but do not use speed cameras outside of those areas, leave that to the reg patrolling cops, This way speed cameras will be seen for what they should be...a deterrent to speeding in high risk areas...

Put a 'Speed Camera Ahead' sign on every change of speed sign?????

That should be a fair warning eh!

Berries

15th September 2011, 21:13

Some will say that the whole country is a speed camera zone ATM, however if the Govt/police were serious about addressing safety in high risk areas then targeting speeding with cameras and warning signs in high risk areas would be a good start
The whole country being thought of as a speed camera zone was one of the things discussed when the original signs were taken down

wernt they supposed to be in "black spots", the speed cameras in dunedin arnt in black spots
They did start off that way, apart from the fixed cameras. Luckily you can ride between the loops and not slow down for those. Apparently. But the original (signed) mobile sites in and around town were sites that had speed related crashes. It has changed over the years though and now I would have to say there is little to no correlation between mobile speed camera placement and speed related crashes.

I'll now wait for someone to come along and say that this proves that they work.

Only from those who don't care/don't realise they are speeding, glad it's not me....:woohoo:
I was going to say it is a tax on being unobservant but figured I would get slammed.

LBD

15th September 2011, 21:31

Put a 'Speed Camera Ahead' sign on every change of speed sign?????

Not so....there should be speed camera warning on the open roads in location that are accident trouble spots

The whole country being thought of as a speed camera zone was one of the things discussed when the original signs were taken down

They did start off that way, apart from the fixed cameras. Luckily you can ride between the loops and not slow down for those. Apparently. But the original (signed) mobile sites in and around town were sites that had speed related crashes. It has changed over the years though and now I would have to say there is little to no correlation between mobile speed camera placement and speed related crashes. .

Which defeats the argument that speed cameras target accident trouble spots... Now they are nothing more than blatant revenue gathering and road safety does not enter into the speed camera debate to any arguable degree

Swoop

16th September 2011, 08:13

wernt they supposed to be in "black spots", the speed cameras in dunedin arnt in black spots
That was the original reasoning for their introduction, waaaaaay back when.

Then the lie got a bit bigger and they were allowed "anywhere anytime", which equates to "wherever we can get some heavy taxing happening".

Interestingly enough, flashing your headlights might become a good tax earner...
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10752126

slofox

16th September 2011, 08:38

I'm always surprised at how many "accident black spots" just happen to be at the bottom of slopes in urban areas...

oneofsix

16th September 2011, 09:16

I'm always surprised at how many "accident black spots" just happen to be at the bottom of slopes in urban areas...

Yep and isn't it amazing how you never seem to see an accident or the evidence of one there? :blink:

oneofsix

16th September 2011, 09:19

That was the original reasoning for their introduction, waaaaaay back when.

Then the lie got a bit bigger and they were allowed "anywhere anytime", which equates to "wherever we can get some heavy taxing happening".

Interestingly enough, flashing your headlights might become a good tax earner...
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10752126

The :Police: response is either a case of "we are never wrong" or shows that it is about revenue. Actually it is probably both. It is valid to flash your lights to warn of a hazard or danger and if you think the guy is going a bit fast then that's a hazard :innocent:

Zedder

16th September 2011, 11:07

After reading the latest news articles and doing more research, I admit to feeling a bit uneasy with the way things are going on the speeding and revenue gaining issue.

This is a shift from my earlier stance but I will continue to stay within the law because I just don't want to pay them one more dollar than they deserve.