The new file sharing laws

[not2slow]

Has anyone investigated how to disguise your IP address to work around the new file sharing regulations?

[Hitcher]

Yes. But even though these aren't illegal, I'm not going to discuss these in a public forum and would caution other KB members from doing so.

Google is your friend. Finding a workable arrangement should take you less than a minute.

[jazfender]

there be piggies listening.

[riffer]

Simple answer is, you can't.

From another forum:

TCP/IP communications that the BitTorrent protocol uses REQUIRES the sender and receiver to know each other's ip addresses. Connections can be NATed through a router, but that can run into firewalled issues if not port-forwarded...and still gives the router's internet ip address to the sender/receiver. And that internet ip is almost certainly going to be at the place-of-residence or workplace of whoever is using it, so you're still easily traceable.
In short, with direct connection, point-to-point file-sharing such as almost ALL common file-sharing programs (Kazaa, Gnutella, Shareaza, BitTorrent, E-Mule, WinMX, DirectConnect, etc) simply CANNOT hide their ip addresses other than routing ALL traffic through a proxy that will severely cripple speeds and max number of connections. ...Plus the proxy could be acting as a "copyright police" monitoring node, in which case even then all bets are off.
There is a small glimmer of hope with proxy-like networks such as TOR, but they simply cannot handle file-sharing levels of traffic and certainly cannot handle the monster-levels that BitTorrent generates. A proxy has to do everything 2x over -- sending out everything it receives, so its effective download speed over time is roughly HALF its upload speed.
Another small hope is UDP NAT hole-punching, which could possibly be coded so the receiver/downloader does not in fact know what the uploader's ip address is. However the temporary proxy needed to "introduce" the downloader and uploader to each other has to know both ips. It would also thoroughly complicate BitTorrent to introduce any privacy protection of that kind, because the whole purpose of a BitTorrent tracker is to TRACK ip addresses with the torrent/s in question! DHT and Peer Exchange wouldn't "solve" that, because they too have to know ip addresses to work...they just might not need to know which particular ip has which particular torrent. But at some level, something has to know or no connections could be made.
Man-in-the-middle anti-privacy attacks are the hardest of all to stop if everything's being done in the clear over an open network. Closed networks almost always have a single point or points of failure (such as private trackers or private DirectConnect hubs).
The problem with being on a network where you can search and download from a million people...is a million people can likely try to download from you!

[sugilite]

I'm guessing those dastardly down loaders may move to proxy and http single download links rather than use torrents, or start using something like usenet or whatever.

[blackdog]

As per Hitchers post. The Chinese have been disguising their IP addresses for many years.

[Winston001]

As per Hitchers post. The Chinese have been disguising their IP addresses for many years.

Yeah but that doesn't help for torrents. The copyright holders are watching the download sites (Pirate Bay etc) and follow the torrent. That leads them directly to your ISP and to you. So I am told. :innocent:

[blackdog]

Yeah but that doesn't help for torrents. The copyright holders are watching the download sites (Pirate Bay etc) and follow the torrent. That leads them directly to your ISP and to you. So I am told. :innocent:

I would give you a link but in the immortal words of Arkwright, Y,y,y,y,y,yo,yo,you,you can wor,wor,wor,work it out for yourself, can't you.

[superman]

:facepalm: The amount of people that download copyrighted material is just insane.

[jazfender]

There is a small glimmer of hope with proxy-like networks such as TOR, but they simply cannot handle file-sharing levels of traffic and certainly cannot handle the monster-levels that BitTorrent generates. A proxy has to do everything 2x over -- sending out everything it receives, so its effective download speed over time is roughly HALF its upload speed.

I have...anecdotal evidence going against that.

[Juzz976]

IP spoofers (as they're called) have been around for at least 15 years.

Been spoofing since then anyways....:innocent:

[Spuds1234]

Seed box in a file sharing friendly country. Minimal cost and a very very useful thing to have for private trackers.

[george formby]

A customer of mine with a mischievous streak a mile wide is spending his afternoons downloading the latest movies through a free, public wifi service. Fine by me, my rates are paying for it & I own an internet cafe....

He just wants to see what happens.

[The Everlasting]

Haha lol,let us know if he gets in trouble.

Hotels that offer WIFI now have the following notice on their invoices:


According to the Copyright (Infringing File Sharing) Amendment Act 2011 that became enforced law starting on the 1st of September 2011,please be advised that you are responsible for your Internet Usage. If you requested an Internet access,your username and password will be recorded at reception and monitored for any illegal activity in terms of unauthorized downloads or uploading of music,software and any other kind of files.


The whole paragraph is in Bold text,so they must be trying to cover themselves.

[imdying]

work around the new file sharing regulations?One way is to get yourself a private VPN into an overseas server. RDP into that box, then torrent on it hard out. It's cheap enough to get 500GB of space and more bandwidth than you can use. Then download those torrented files back to your own PC and you're done. More pissing about than I can be bothered with, but plenty do.

[2Seat_Terror]

My IP address changes everytime I restart / reset the router, so do IPs that I had X number of moons ago get tracked...?
Not all torrents are illegal files shared, FWIW. A lot of people seem to have missed that (in the gubbermint for instance).

[Winston001]

Not all torrents are illegal files shared, FWIW. A lot of people seem to have missed that (in the gubbermint for instance).

Not really. Thats the very first thing TUANZ and others said to the government. And if the file is legitimate you haven't broken the law.

[bogan]

Just use PFTP :innocent:

<img src="http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/file_transfer.png" />

[jonbuoy]

Can they detect encrypted traffic?

[Spuds1234]

Can they detect encrypted traffic?

If your referring to the ISP's detecting your encrypted traffic, well you dont need to worry about that.

What you need to worry about is a copyright holder detecting your IP address downloading copyright material. Once they do that they just send off a request to your ISP to send you a letter.

[jonbuoy]

If your referring to the ISP's detecting your encrypted traffic, well you dont need to worry about that.

What you need to worry about is a copyright holder detecting your IP address downloading copyright material. Once they do that they just send off a request to your ISP to send you a letter.

So as long as your IP is connected to another IP seeding copywrite material thats enough - even though the torrent traffic between the two are encrypted - how can they prove you weren´t legitimately downloading another legal torrent file from the same IP if they can´t identify and decrypt exactly what you are receiving?

[Spuds1234]

If I were a movie studio and I wanted to find out who was downloading my movies, it would be pretty easy to download your own movie and then just log the IP's that try and download it from you.

Perhaps they do it like this, perhaps they dont (they probably dont), but Im fairly certain it would be pretty easy for them to do.

[Spuds1234]

Encrypting torrent traffic between the torrent clients only stops your ISP from seeing what your downloading with packet inspection.

The source your getting the information from still needs to know what to send you.

[Gremlin]

Can they detect encrypted traffic?
Of course they can see encrypted traffic. Can they see what's inside the encrypted traffic? Of course not (us little IT nerds wouldn't be too happy if our encrypted connections could be read by any ol person would we?)

how can they prove you weren´t legitimately downloading another legal torrent file from the same IP if they can´t identify and decrypt exactly what you are receiving?
When you are connected to a torrent, you have an IP that uniquely identifies you (well, how else would you get the traffic huh?). It doesn't matter what other torrents you are connected to... you are connected to THAT one.

[Winston001]

So as long as your IP is connected to another IP seeding copywrite material thats enough - even though the torrent traffic between the two are encrypted - how can they prove you weren´t legitimately downloading another legal torrent file from the same IP if they can´t identify and decrypt exactly what you are receiving?

I stand to be corrected but I think as with any crime, you are accused and have the right to defend yourself. If you download a legitimate file (people like Peter Jackson must transfer GBs daily) your pc will record the time and date. Of course you'll have to disclose the legitimate file just as you'd need to prove lawful ownership of a motorcycle the police believed to be stolen.

[Winston001]

Incidentally, are there any stats showing a drop in traffic to NZ?

[2Seat_Terror]

Orcon claim a 10% drop in P2P traffic.

[steve_t]

Orcon claim a 10% drop in P2P traffic.

I would say that's on the low side

[avgas]

Haha lol,let us know if he gets in trouble.

Hotels that offer WIFI now have the following notice on their invoices:


According to the Copyright (Infringing File Sharing) Amendment Act 2011 that became enforced law starting on the 1st of September 2011,please be advised that you are responsible for your Internet Usage. If you requested an Internet access,your username and password will be recorded at reception and monitored for any illegal activity in terms of unauthorized downloads or uploading of music,software and any other kind of files.


The whole paragraph is in Bold text,so they must be trying to cover themselves.
That's nothing new. Read my sig.

[avgas]

Orcon claim a 10% drop in P2P traffic.
Hmmmm I wonder how they get that stat?......

I recently got an interesting email saying I used 5gb of data on port 1025 from a certain I.T. department. They said they would investigate and see if I was breaking the law.

Should have told them I was downloading illegal porn while playing blackjack.........but was honest and told them it was man made DNP storm.

So I doubt anyone will be charged with the new laws. Its just a feel good thing for the govt.

[Scuba_Steve]

So I doubt anyone will be charged with the new laws. Its just a feel good thing for the govt.

I think we might definitly see things pick up when the Hobits ready, after all thats what brought this law

[steve_t]

The media already reported that ISPs have been given names of people to issue warnings to but as the movie studios haven't paid the $25 administration fees, the ISPs are refusing to issue the warnings

[avgas]

The media already reported that ISPs have been given names of people to issue warnings to but as the movie studios haven't paid the $25 administration fees, the ISPs are refusing to issue the warnings
Hah classic.
I wonder where they get the names from.

Such a big fat waste of time. If people can't download it, they will import it. I think I came back from Shanghai with about 200 dvd's last time. No one battered an eye.

Likewise anyone been to the local markets recently?

[Waxxa]

My IP address changes everytime I restart / reset the router, so do IPs that I had X number of moons ago get tracked...?
Not all torrents are illegal files shared, FWIW. A lot of people seem to have missed that (in the gubbermint for instance).

your IP address may refresh, but your MAC address (unique identification number in every computer) does not and your IP address is always associated with a MAC address!

You can change your ISP provider and in turn get a different IP address each time but the MAC stays the same...busted!

Just pay for your downloads!

[2Seat_Terror]

Ah ok, I didn't know MACs could be tracked like that.
Can change the MAC too (in hardware), if I wanted... Not that I have a need to. :innocent:

[Scuba_Steve]

Ah ok, I didn't know MACs could be tracked like that.
Can change the MAC too (in hardware), if I wanted... Not that I have a need to. :innocent:

no not in HW, but you can bullshit a MAC address in SW, but it is the IP they track, they have a record of what IP went to what address at what date.

[steve_t]

Hah classic.
I wonder where they get the names from.

Such a big fat waste of time. If people can't download it, they will import it. I think I came back from Shanghai with about 200 dvd's last time. No one battered an eye.

Likewise anyone been to the local markets recently?

Yeah, true, probably not names but IP address I guess. I can't remember. I think it was on the Herald site or Stuff.


no not in HW, but you can bullshit a MAC address in SW, but it is the IP they track, they have a record of what IP went to what address at what date.

Yeah, MAC spoofing has been around for ages cos if you secure your wifi only through MAC filtering, people can get on by spoofing your MAC address. IIRC each packet of data, even if encrypted contains an unencrypted header containing your MAC address.

[Disco Dan]

I'll make it really simple:

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=3strikes.net

[avgas]

Hmmmmm MAC you reckon.

So really the can't track shit. I currently are surrounded by 4 computers at arms length. I have another 4 at home.
Using that theory I could get about 16 different warnings before I would have to go to court. And what happens if I sell one of those PC's to someone else.......well if they are tracking the MAC then that person now cops the flack.

Yep, its set to fail. But my god how much money are they going to pour into admining it before they give up?

[steve_t]

AFAIK neither ISPs nor the movie/music companies can trace MAC addresses, nor is the IP address assigned by your ISP related to any of your computers' MAC addresses.

[oneofsix]

AFAIK neither ISPs nor the movie/music companies can trace MAC addresses, nor is the IP address assigned by your ISP related to any of your computers' MAC addresses.

Pretty sure they are tracking IP addresses. Who was using which IP and what time downloaded X Megs of data from fileshare Y. They know which ISPs 'own' which sections of IP addresses so they know who to ask to track the user. You can switch your modem off and on and change IP addresses but the times you have those addresses will be known to your ISPs so the 'industry' can find you ... in theory.
Yes its a fucked up law, a pretense at doing something that will only catch the ignorant or lazy.

[Disco Dan]

Pretty sure they are tracking IP addresses. Who was using which IP and what time downloaded X Megs of data from fileshare Y. They know which ISPs 'own' which sections of IP addresses so they know who to ask to track the user. You can switch your modem off and on and change IP addresses but the times you have those addresses will be known to your ISPs so the 'industry' can find you ... in theory.
Yes its a fucked up law, a pretense at doing something that will only catch the ignorant or lazy.

http://3strikes.net.nz/forum/notices/first-notice

[steve_t]

http://3strikes.net.nz/forum/notices/first-notice

LOL. I hope there are some ISPs charging $200 per allegation to the movie companies! :drinkup:

[Gremlin]

You can switch your modem off and on and change IP addresses but the times you have those addresses will be known to your ISPs so the 'industry' can find you ... in theory.
Only those with true dynamic addressing will have that. Orcon for example (and a few others) an IP address is tied to your username. Ergo, no changing of your IP address (and really funny if a game bans you online for cheating with bad copies etc).

Unsure if what history, and for how long, would be kept of address assignment. Lot of addresses, lots of data etc.