Big Rave about Neighbours!!!

[jaybee180]

How's this for funny?

Received a letter from a lawyer today threatening to evict me from my own house because my two cats are a 'nuisance" to my neighbours!!!! WTF!!

I live in a unit on a cross lease section with two other units. None of us are joined and we each have our own plot of land. Apparently my two cats do "bowel" motions in their garden and sit on their windowsills - ohh, and they have complained about them climbing the tree!!!

So I receive this two page letter with the final paragraph stating that if I haven't gotten rid of the cats in two months time they (the neighbours) will enter my dwelling (which I own!) and I will have to "vacate". Don't ya gotta laugh at people who have nothing better to do.

So now I 've had to get a lawyer myself and serve trespass notices on people that I don't even know or want to know and a real estate agent is coming around tomorrow to give me an appraisal on selling up and getting out.

(Did I mention that these neighbours have also complained about me throwing out bread for the birds, and not scrubbing the driveway after leaving tyre marks on it - DOH!!)


AAARRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGG!!!!!!!!!!!!

Anyway that's my rave!

[WINJA]

FORGET THE CAT SHITTING ON THE LAWN GIMME THE ADDRESS AND ILL COME AND TAKE A DUMP ON THEIR DOORSTEP , THEN THEYLL HAVE SOMETIN TO COMPLAIN ABOUT

[zadok]

I'm....almost speechless! What neighbours you've got!
This is all without even coming to talk to you first? :oi-grr:

[Ixion]

Tell them to take a running jump. Why should you leave ? Tell them to leave. And their lawyer seems to know very little about the law. Sure he IS a lawyer ?

[HDTboy]

Burnout practise in your driveway then sir? I've got a rear tyre which needs to be popped

[Big Dave]

How's this for funny?

Anyway that's my rave!


Bummer - What dicks. Tell them big dave says 'fuck off'.

When the cats next door annoy me i just let the dog out. 'Skitcha cats' is his favourite.

[crashe]

The neighbours are out of order.....

All they have to do is plonk ya cats dumps back on ya section... :rofl:
(I do that with the neighbours cat as its shit is really runny and stinks real bad. I have a wee shovel and pick it up and chuck it back over the fence. The neighbour knows their cat has this shit problem... and wont take the cat to the vet to get it sorted out.)

OK time for a party at your place... we all arrive on the bikes... :rofl: :rofl:

No lawyer can MAKE you sell YOUR own home that you have brought.
You do NOT have to have a real estate agent come around and give you an apprasial on YOUR home unless you ask them to do it.

Just go to your local cop shop and fill out the forms..
you can deliver it or get the cops to deliver it to the neighbours.

Ummmm cats climb trees.... and you are helping the birds get fatter...

[speedpro]

I'm not totally sympathetic here. My first clue is the tyre mark on the drive. Making that was probably not a particularly neighbour-friendly action, taking into account noise, smoke and smell.

A very reasonable friend (Bob) in Perth had two boys and built them a sandpit. The local cats used it as a toilet which was just lovely for the boys. Bob asked the neighbours about this and explained the problem with not much positive coming out of it. A cage trap and a 44gal barrell full of water sorted out the problem over a few months.

In parts of Canberra bordering reserves a by-law was passed to curtail the nocturnal activities of local cats, they had to be kept indoors after a certain time. This was because they were decimating some of the local native wildlife. Caused a huge stink but even without being a greeny I had to agree with the curfew.

I have a similar problem here and now. Some cat/s are using the garden next to my front door as a toilet and occassionally it stinks, apart from spreading bark all round and making a mess. Cats are just another domesticed (sort of) animal and should be subject to the same restraints as those placed on any other domestic animal. Perhaps if I brought the neighbours dogs around to shit in your yard as an illustration of my point.

Must admit I would have brought it up with you face-to-face first but that's how things are nowadays.

[jaybee180]

I'm not totally sympathetic here. My first clue is the tyre mark on the drive. Making that was probably not a particularly neighbour-friendly action, taking into account noise, smoke and smell.

A very reasonable friend (Bob) in Perth had two boys and built them a sandpit. The local cats used it as a toilet which was just lovely for the boys. Bob asked the neighbours about this and explained the problem with not much positive coming out of it. A cage trap and a 44gal barrell full of water sorted out the problem over a few months.

In parts of Canberra bordering reserves a by-law was passed to curtail the nocturnal activities of local cats, they had to be kept indoors after a certain time. This was because they were decimating some of the local native wildlife. Caused a huge stink but even without being a greeny I had to agree with the curfew.

I have a similar problem here and now. Some cat/s are using the garden next to my front door as a toilet and occassionally it stinks, apart from spreading bark all round and making a mess. Cats are just another domesticed (sort of) animal and should be subject to the same restraints as those placed on any other domestic animal. Perhaps if I brought the neighbours dogs around to shit in your yard as an illustration of my point.

Must admit I would have brought it up with you face-to-face first but that's how things are nowadays.

Interesting interpretation of events from your angle. The tyre marks were as a result of driving off my lawn onto the driveway. Apparently it left some dirt marks that they weren't impressed about. As it was raining at the time I didn't see fit to race out there with the hose when they came over and demanded that I do it. I have never done a wheelie or a skid in my life and have no intention of doing so.

I would have no problem with them putting the shit in a bag and dumping it over the fence if they could in fact prove that it's my cats' shit!!!! There are a hundred and one strays around here at the moment. But at the end of the day my cats have a dirt box that they use (and I know this as I have to clean it out). Cats are easily detered by a water bottle/hose sprayed at them, but if you are going to smooch up to them (as I have seen the neighbour do) you can't expect them to keep away. I would love to see someone come up with a way to stop cats from wandering. That's what they do!!! It's the same as trying to stop a dog from peeing on power poles!!! If the cats were killing wildlife, or perhaps eating their fish etc etc etc, then I would certainly be more responsive but climbing a tree and shitting in the garden .........ahhhhh..........please ..........come on , get a life!

PS. No problem with bringing the dogs around. As I was an owner of a Rottweiller until recently - dog shit is something that I dealt with every day. There's far bigger things to worry about!

[jaybee180]

The neighbours are out of order.....

All they have to do is plonk ya cats dumps back on ya section... :rofl:
(I do that with the neighbours cat as its shit is really runny and stinks real bad. I have a wee shovel and pick it up and chuck it back over the fence. The neighbour knows their cat has this shit problem... and wont take the cat to the vet to get it sorted out.)

OK time for a party at your place... we all arrive on the bikes... :rofl: :rofl:

No lawyer can MAKE you sell YOUR own home that you have brought.
You do NOT have to have a real estate agent come around and give you an apprasial on YOUR home unless you ask them to do it.

Just go to your local cop shop and fill out the forms..
you can deliver it or get the cops to deliver it to the neighbours.

Ummmm cats climb trees.... and you are helping the birds get fatter...

Yup party at my place sounds like the go............

[crashe]

The tyre mark was from dirt from your lawn...
awww mate that is so serious.. shame on you....
How could you just ride off and leave such a mess.
I hope you didnt leave a big tyre mark on the lawn.
PTPTPT :rofl: :rofl:

Hell's teeth it was raining.. the dirt will disappear...
That is so pathetic...

How to stop cats wandering ... I have no idea...
I wish I knew how.. as my cat wanders all over the the street.
she thinks she owns the whole street. hehehe.

I know that it is my neighbours cat shitting real bad on my section...
as the crap only arrived after the cat was brought into the area.
Plus the cat looks sick. She craps up the grass area between me and neighbours... on other neighbours lawns.. and we all chuck it back...
Some weeks I get heaps and some weeks I get none.
But It sure does stink and its killing my grass in patches.

Give your neighbour a watergun and tell them to fire it full of water at your cats everytime they go onto their section... in time your cats wont go over there.

But dont you move or sell up....

[jaybee180]

I went to see the neighbour tonight and suggested that they spray the cats but they told me that they shouldn't have to do that ......... so I guess they are only interested in the fact that there is a problem rather than actively trying to help me solve it.

I've only been here six months and I've had the cats the same amount of time. I've had them both fixed in an attempt to curb their "wild" behaviour but cats will be cats.

Anyway all the neighbours are retired and as this has gone too far (as far as I'm concerned) I just can't be bothered with it. My lawyer will write them a nasty letter telling them to pull their heads in, the local cops have been informed of the threat to evict so they are aware should I need their assistance, the local SPCA has also been informed due to the threat to kill them. Other than that they can harrass the next owner coz my life is just tooo short for this kinda stuff.

But thanks for the support guys. I've stopped feeling sorry for myself now and just feel sorry for them!

[mstriumph]

Good attitude jaybee --- show 'em you are not a soft target & can't be bullied or intimidated - it may encourage them to get a life!!

[justsomeguy]

Yup party at my place sounds like the go............

Give us a bit of notice and we'll be there...

Tristank and HDTBoy - we can decide who really is the loudest then....

:devil2:

PS: When I opened this thread I thought it was big dave on neighbours...... and thought why would KB's macho man be critiquing that aussie tv show (stupid me:weird: )

[Big Dave]

When I opened this thread I thought it was big dave on neighbours...... and thought why would KB's >>>macho man<<<!!!! be critiquing that aussie tv show (stupid me:weird: )

Like I'm in the village people!
I told ya before - the only channels I get are Sky Sport.
No news, current affairs, shit american shows, crime, reality, or anything else. Hate it.

UK comedy occasionally and maybe a pay per view film if there is no sport - otherwise I turns the box off. Period. It's a great way to be happy.

[Mooch]

Hope this goes well for you, not a nice position to be in, waste of time and money.
Make it very clear to them that you own the house, have the trespass order filed.
Don't sell, state that if you do move, the dwelling will become a rental property and you won't be too picky on who moves into the neighbourhood pets or no pets.

[justsomeguy]

Like I'm in the village people!
I told ya before - the only channels I get are Sky Sport.
No news, current affairs, shit american shows, crime, reality, or anything else. Hate it.

UK comedy occasionally and maybe a pay per view film if there is no sport - otherwise I turns the box off. Period. It's a great way to be happy.

Whoa..... no mate -- not like you're in the village people....:nono:

You know all of us blokes are envious that we aren't big and tough like you.

[Paul in NZ]

Phht! Some people got noting better to do... Lots of retired people get all obsessive / compulsive about their houses / gardens.

Get a couple of mates to dress up in a Turban / robes (a ticking briefcase with an alarmclock on the outside and greeting them with good morning infidel scum is a good touch) or a 'P smokers' club tee shirt / pimp outfit or if you have married with children friends get the wife to dress all trashy and let the kids get kinda snotty and send em all over (1 at a time) asking if this is number blah blah (your addy) 'cos Social Welfare asked them to come look at it as a safe house. Ask lotsa questions about if the cops come past often and do ya reckon the driveway is wide enough for a 1958 bedford house bus...

Talk to the old fella and say - 'hey meesta - you shure godda purty girlfriend, you wanna make some money?'

Usually turns em around.

[pyrocam]

work for big lawyer firm (in IT dept... please) so I can get you some free 'real' legal advice if you want to ask anything (not too much pls)

[MSTRS]

These pathetic excuses must be related to our neighbours. Seems impossible to educate them that the rest of us do have a life! If you like where you are, don't let them dictate to you unreasonably. Otherwise, probably easiest to move

[Lou Girardin]

Their lawyer must be really short of billable hours. Perhaps a complaint to the Law Society will keep him occupied.
This kind of crap would make me determined to stay, not leave.
It's a shame we can't get Pumas for pets, that'd sort 'em.

[ManDownUnder]

How's this for funny?

Received a letter from a lawyer today threatening to evict me from my own house because my two cats are a 'nuisance" to my neighbours!!!! WTF!!

I live in a unit on a cross lease section with two other units. None of us are joined and we each have our own plot of land. Apparently my two cats do "bowel" motions in their garden and sit on their windowsills - ohh, and they have complained about them climbing the tree!!!

So I receive this two page letter with the final paragraph stating that if I haven't gotten rid of the cats in two months time they (the neighbours) will enter my dwelling (which I own!) and I will have to "vacate". Don't ya gotta laugh at people who have nothing better to do.

So now I 've had to get a lawyer myself and serve trespass notices on people that I don't even know or want to know and a real estate agent is coming around tomorrow to give me an appraisal on selling up and getting out.

(Did I mention that these neighbours have also complained about me throwing out bread for the birds, and not scrubbing the driveway after leaving tyre marks on it - DOH!!)


AAARRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGG!!!!!!!!!!!!

Anyway that's my rave!

Sounds like fun to me.

A couple of things...
1) Can you scan and post that letter up here - I'd be really interested to see it... the wording used etc
2) You mention you're on a cross lease... that's a good thing in this instance. IF they ever have plans to build something on their land (a shad or anything requiring consent.... which is bloody near everything except a dog house)they have to come to you in the future looking for your written permission.

You might deny your consent at that point.

[edit] if they have any additions to their house that you didn't agree to (in writing?) ... you are able to request they pull them down if you didn't give your consent.

You could also check the plans at Council (get the grab bag) and see what work has be permitted... see if there is anything they need to get a permit for (i.e. work that was done but not ok with coucil)...
[edit]

Also - as Crashe has said - assertions of you LOSING YOUR HOUSE? Unless there is something major you haven't told us about (like they own 50% or more of it) they can take a screaming leap.

Go talk to the councel and find out about harrassment law.

There are so many ways of dealing with this - some of them fun... some of them not... but be careful escalating it. It'll be fun while you're doing it, but unless you "win" ... you'll lose out big time (if that makes sense).

MDU

[Badcat]

how about a "biker demo day" where we ALL turn up, have a BBQ (i can get a 1000w PA and cd decks) and have a little gathering?

after the event - you can go see them and say "that's what living next door to a biker CAN be like"......

[ManDownUnder]

I say we go for a "muffler maintenance day"

Everyone needs to show up, start their bikes and see how they sound without the muffler. Test the theory that if you leave it idling for 2 hours the note changes... just a fraction.

Then put the muffler back on... and move to the NEXT bike...

[ManDownUnder]

Something in the back of my mind tells me that cat owners are not responsible for the actions of their animals (unlike dog owners)...

In which case the whole thing is frivlous and should be taken as part of a greater harrassment campaign (assuming the wheelie on the drive was them etc).

Keep a diary of their actions... it might be fun - and it might show up some interesting patterns

[Virago]

Sounds like fun to me............if they have any additions to their house that you didn't agree to (in writing?) ... you are able to request they pull them down if you didn't give your consent.

You could also check the plans at Council (get the grab bag) and see what work has be permitted... see if there is anything they need to get a permit for (i.e. work that was done but not ok with coucil)...MDU
Yep, I'll second that. Any work building work done on a cross-leased section must have notified consent of all the owners, with an easement notice placed on all leases.

Do the neighbours have a shed, or a conservatory, or any other alterations to the buildings? If they do, check your lease to see if it has been approved. If not then you've got them over a barrel big time! :yes:

[Paul in NZ]

Borrow a pet Tiger and let it poop on their lawn ....

[John]

Start shitting on their lawn in the middle of the night then laugh to yourself when they cant figure it out, My neighbours don’t harass me anymore this one chap told my mum to fuck off, when I heard about this I went for a hostile visit, he’s now rather chummy with us heh.

To be honest some of those old'er ones hate young people and our untidiness (my dad was 86 so I experienced this first hand) my advice is to do what your doing, then sue the fucks for legal costs :lol: or just warm your bike up RIGHT on 7am (that’s the legal time init?) without the headers, they will love you forever.

[XTC]

Cats shit - it's what they do. Apart from that they have no real use.

[speedpro]

Cats shit - it's what they do. Apart from that they have no real use.
Until you hollow them out

[crashe]

Cats shit - it's what they do. Apart from that they have no real use.


They also piss too.... :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[ManDownUnder]

Until you hollow them out

uh huh...

Anyone call a Taxi(dermist)?

[Lou Girardin]

Something in the back of my mind tells me that cat owners are not responsible for the actions of their animals (unlike dog owners)...
s

That's because dogs have owners, cats have staff.

[ManDownUnder]

That's because dogs have owners, cats have staff.

Preach it brother!:clap:

[jaybee180]

I'll tell ya what - you guys have certainly made me giggle. That's gotta be a good thing.

Nah - nothing else to the story at all, just exactly what I've written. The old guy next door (not part of the cross lease) threatened to kill them a few months back coz they were climbing his trees! I just laughed at him and didn't think any less of it. BUT........ the people in the front and the one in the back are all mates of the guy next door and obviously he has stirred them up into doing this. Quite noticeable is the fact that it was the old guy next door who delivered the letter (since been trespassed) and it's his lawyer that has written it. Obviously he couldn't do anything legally so he's got the others to put their names to it.

Apparently under Clause 18 of the cross lease, failure to remove the offending animals after two months will result in them entering my dwelling and me having to vacate!!!

Still waiting to hear back from my lawyer - but we all own the land jointly. Anyway have to estate agents coming around this arvo - let it be someone else's problem I reckon.

Can see a leaving party coming on!!!!! Gotta love those bikes!

[jaybee180]

Cats shit - it's what they do. Apart from that they have no real use.

They're pretty good at taking over the bed at night too!!!

[ManDownUnder]

I'll tell ya what - you guys have certainly made me giggle. That's gotta be a good thing.

Nah - nothing else to the story at all, just exactly what I've written. The old guy next door (not part of the cross lease) threatened to kill them a few months back coz they were climbing his trees! I just laughed at him and didn't think any less of it. BUT........ the people in the front and the one in the back are all mates of the guy next door and obviously he has stirred them up into doing this. Quite noticeable is the fact that it was the old guy next door who delivered the letter (since been trespassed) and it's his lawyer that has written it. Obviously he couldn't do anything legally so he's got the others to put their names to it.

Apparently under Clause 18 of the cross lease, failure to remove the offending animals after two months will result in them entering my dwelling and me having to vacate!!!

Still waiting to hear back from my lawyer - but we all own the land jointly. Anyway have to estate agents coming around this arvo - let it be someone else's problem I reckon.

Can see a leaving party coming on!!!!! Gotta love those bikes!

Errr. Clause 18 of a cross lease? I'd suggest you get a copy of it and check.

'course you could "sell" the cats to someone just down the street. They'd own them then... and you couldn't be responsible for the cats coming "home"... and they're not party to the cross lease...

I suggest you make the problem the old guy's

[ManDownUnder]

Start shitting on their lawn in the middle of the night then laugh to yourself when they cant figure it out, My neighbours don’t harass me anymore this one chap told my mum to fuck off, when I heard about this I went for a hostile visit, he’s now rather chummy with us heh.

To be honest some of those old'er ones hate young people and our untidiness (my dad was 86 so I experienced this first hand) my advice is to do what your doing, then sue the fucks for legal costs :lol: or just warm your bike up RIGHT on 7am (that’s the legal time init?) without the headers, they will love you forever.
Do what my father in law did one time...

Start the mower - put it by the fence (fully fuelled)... and go out!

Maybe to work, maybe for a ride... It'd be fun on top of a trespass order so they weren't allowed to go near it!:whistle:

[crashe]

I'll tell ya what - you guys have certainly made me giggle. That's gotta be a good thing.

Nah - nothing else to the story at all, just exactly what I've written. The old guy next door (not part of the cross lease) threatened to kill them a few months back coz they were climbing his trees! I just laughed at him and didn't think any less of it. BUT........ the people in the front and the one in the back are all mates of the guy next door and obviously he has stirred them up into doing this. Quite noticeable is the fact that it was the old guy next door who delivered the letter (since been trespassed) and it's his lawyer that has written it. Obviously he couldn't do anything legally so he's got the others to put their names to it.

Apparently under Clause 18 of the cross lease, failure to remove the offending animals after two months will result in them entering my dwelling and me having to vacate!!!

Still waiting to hear back from my lawyer - but we all own the land jointly. Anyway have to estate agents coming around this arvo - let it be someone else's problem I reckon.

Can see a leaving party coming on!!!!! Gotta love those bikes!

You urgently need to get a copy of this cross lease clause 18.

Gee maybe I could try that on my neighbour cos they are shockers... :rofl:

You set a date and time for the party and WE will all be there...
I do love a good party..... havent been to one in ages.

[ManDownUnder]

Just thinking about it... if you are going to move (and I'd make that a last resort personally... after all, this is over the offending of a CAT)... then make it worth your while.

As has been mentioned - rent the place out. Keep your equity and save on real estate fees.

Maybe a mother with young children, or someone on KB with a nice loud Harley...

And just before moving out, have a party or 5 every weekend. I'm sure some of the bods from here would help. Don;t be shy to publicise what's going on as well.

People need to be accountable for their actions and if the old guy across the road is being a dick, talk to him about it. Ask him why he put your neighbours against you and he's using a tool not available to him (clause on the X lease agreement).

I'd also confirm what leverage you have over the other x leases... like the un permitted buildings etc, check the fences are in the right place etc. If ANYTHIN is out of order you'll need to have it put right before you sell ... you'd be obliged to point out to any potential buyers that there are problems with the cross lease and make sure you let everyone know that the reason you're selling is because of the old bastard across the road and his gang of cronies gainging up on you enforcing stupid rules.

Hold out for a reasonable price too! It may never come and that very issue could frustrate the whole process.

Maybe put a bell on the cat collars to the neighbours can hear it coming - that way they can help train it for you. Give them all a water pistol so they can squirt it with water and train it to stay off their properties.

hmmm - so many ways to tackle this one.

[Keystone19]

The old guy next door (not part of the cross lease) threatened to kill them a few months back coz they were climbing his trees!


Crikey, I thought you meant he was going to kill the old couple for climbing his trees for a minute there.

:rofl: :rofl:

[Lou Girardin]

It'd be interesting to see a legal opinion on a cross-lease clause forcing a sale/eviction.
I don't think it would fly somehow.

[ManDownUnder]

It'd be interesting to see a legal opinion on a cross-lease clause forcing a sale/eviction.
I don't think it would fly somehow.

I'm with you on that one. More like a civil remedy if anything (i.e. a fine of $200 to the neighbours).

MDU

[Aitch]

I know, come stay with me! I gots lots of spare rooms and your bike could live in my garage and I even gots a cat door!!!!!

[Aitch]

Everybody needs good neighbours.

[WINJA]

OH WOW I GOT THE ANSWER ,YOU PUT A 4 SALE SIGN UP AND ILL GET MY DODGY MATE TO PULL UP IN HIS SHITTY OLD UTE , HES GOT A TATTOED FACE AND HAS LOTS OF SCUMMY MATES THAT CAN COME, THEY CAN GO NEXT DOOR
AND TELL THE NEIGHBOURS THEY WANT TO BUY THE HOUSE AND JUST MAKING SURE EVERYONE IS COOL WITH LATE NIGHT PARTYS AND THEIR INVITED JUST LIKE ALL THE OTHER NEIGHBOURS , CHUUUR BRO YOU GOT SKY , THEYD SURELY WANT YOU TO STAY

[Aitch]

some good looking fellow on a GS1200 could charm the old biddy up the back and get her to withdraw her petty little threat

[Jackrat]

Hey here's a novel idea.
Why don't you get a dirt box an lock your cats in at night ?

Nah,forget that aye,common sence an all, way to hard.

[hXc]

Other than that they can harrass the next owner coz my life is just tooo short for this kinda stuff.
What do you mean life is too short??? It's the longest thing you ever fucking do!!!

[speedpro]

Hey here's a novel idea.
Why don't you get a dirt box an lock your cats in at night ?

Nah,forget that aye,common sence an all, way to hard.

Yeah, taking responsibility for stuff you are responsible for. ppfffft, it'll never catch on.

[speedpro]

I get the feeling this is a bit like when a mate gets divorced - you only hear one side of the story and even then the picture is only seen through one eye.

[jaybee180]

Hey here's a novel idea.
Why don't you get a dirt box an lock your cats in at night ?

Nah,forget that aye,common sence an all, way to hard.

Funnily enough guys they are locked in at night and do have a dirt box which I regularly have to clean out!!! But pretty sure I mentioned that in the original posting.

As to being one sided - ABSOLUTELY. There is no other side to this other than being totally unreasonable - but that's probably outside your realm too!

[jaybee180]

some good looking fellow on a GS1200 could charm the old biddy up the back and get her to withdraw her petty little threat

Good idea - do you know any?

[Pixie]

PS. No problem with bringing the dogs around. As I was an owner of a Rottweiller until recently - dog shit is something that I dealt with every day. There's far bigger things to worry about!
Yeah,i know what you are saying,....like elephant shit!

[Ixion]

Yeah,i know what you are saying,....like elephant shit!

Hippopotamus shit is worse :puke:

[inlinefour]

There is only one old bugger with a problem here. Why make it your own problem also? I'd tell him that he needs to educate himself on the bylaws regarding cats as set out by yor local council. Also I get the impression that he is trying to manipulate the lease agreement to suit himself. Really the only problem is one within his head. I have a couple of cats with my misses and I'd be taking it very serious any threat to kill them. This is merely taking the law into one's own hands. I wonder what the Police would say, I know they get involved in other animal cruelty. Remeber, there is allways one Ahole in the community and its more a matter of managing them. I've got one in the neighbourhood. Until I took exception to their behaviours, they did what they wanted. Once I made something out of it, yea the threats flowed. I just said, go for it as you don't really have a leg to stand on. It helped that I was able to tell them a couple of laws to their face. Stopped them right in their tracks. Their last threat was to call the Police. Allways call their bluff and say yea good idea. The Police are not idiots and are really good at summing things up correctly. Finally, I get the impression that you might be feeling intimidated by whats going on. Don't as you have no reason to be. Also, don't take anyone up on their offers of intimidation. Hopefully they are all tounge in cheek, but it will never help your cause to upset the old fart and give him something to really be upset about. Stick to your guns as you have done nothing wrong, nor have your cats. :weird:

[crashe]

The old fella, doesnt even live in your block of units/houses....

So what the hell is it to do with him.... NOTHING.
Tell him to piss off.

I sure hope that you didnt let the real estate agents on your land..
Hit them with a TRESPASS ORDER.
They have no right what so ever to step on your property with out you asking them to.

Do NOT sell up because of this old man.
He can not dicate to you.

What about inviting your immediate neighbours in for a cuppa to discuss this we pooie problem... Only those that live in the cross-lease units/houses.
If the old fella comes. Say to him "Sorry but you are not my immediate neighbour and you were NOT invited. Goodbye".

Ask your neighbours to not pat your cats when they come onto their section, as that is encouraging them to go over there to shit... the cats thinks the section is part of its home... so the poor wee things are so confused.
Give each neighbour a water pistol to fire at will so the cat wont go onto their place.

The old fella can't carry on like he owns your property, dictating about dirt on the driveway and your cat shitting in the neighbours section.

So when is this party????

[Badcat]

some good looking fellow on a GS1200 could charm the old biddy up the back and get her to withdraw her petty little threat

sorry - not sure my wife would approve.

[ManDownUnder]

If you're away on holiday... fertilise your garden just before you go... a couple of bags of chook poo is the stuff... put it in and turn the garden over... leave it to soak...

the pong over the upcoming days will be fun (hopefully gone before you get back - if not... you just got yourself... DOH!)

MDU

[jaybee180]

sorry - not sure my wife would approve.

Awww come on - surely it's all for a good cause!!!! She'll come round.....

[jaybee180]

There is only one old bugger with a problem here. Why make it your own problem also? I'd tell him that he needs to educate himself on the bylaws regarding cats as set out by yor local council. Also I get the impression that he is trying to manipulate the lease agreement to suit himself. Really the only problem is one within his head. I have a couple of cats with my misses and I'd be taking it very serious any threat to kill them. This is merely taking the law into one's own hands. I wonder what the Police would say, I know they get involved in other animal cruelty. Remeber, there is allways one Ahole in the community and its more a matter of managing them. I've got one in the neighbourhood. Until I took exception to their behaviours, they did what they wanted. Once I made something out of it, yea the threats flowed. I just said, go for it as you don't really have a leg to stand on. It helped that I was able to tell them a couple of laws to their face. Stopped them right in their tracks. Their last threat was to call the Police. Allways call their bluff and say yea good idea. The Police are not idiots and are really good at summing things up correctly. Finally, I get the impression that you might be feeling intimidated by whats going on. Don't as you have no reason to be. Also, don't take anyone up on their offers of intimidation. Hopefully they are all tounge in cheek, but it will never help your cause to upset the old fart and give him something to really be upset about. Stick to your guns as you have done nothing wrong, nor have your cats. :weird:

The cops are aware of the situation and will back me up should the neighbours decide they want to "move in and vacate me". I've been to the neighbours and tried to discuss it with them but they don't want to know. They have chosen their course of action and are sticking to it. At this stage it's really out of my hands. Other than locking the wee things (the cats that is not the neighbours) in 24/7 there's not much else I can do.

I'm picking that it's just not worth the hassle and will find somewhere where me and the cats can live in peace.

The old guy has been served with a trespass notice but I'm unable to do that to the immediate neighbours as well all own the land. It'll all come out in the wash at the end of the day, but they're not gunna intimidate me while I'm here.

[NotaGoth]

Don't ya gotta laugh at people who have nothing better to do.


reminds me of my sis.. she was working 17 hours a day, 3 different jobs and her neighbours tried getting her evicted from the house she was in, just because her car was dirty.. like wtf? if they got that much time on their hands to b........... and moan why didn't they just wash her damn car.. WTF

get a truckload of manure dumped on their lawn :yes:

[NotaGoth]

make that 101, but none about bikes cause I don't know enough. oh the shame lol. but thanks :)

[ManDownUnder]

The cops are aware of the situation and will back me up should the neighbours decide they want to "move in and vacate me". I've been to the neighbours and tried to discuss it with them but they don't want to know. They have chosen their course of action and are sticking to it. At this stage it's really out of my hands. Other than locking the wee things (the cats that is not the neighbours) in 24/7 there's not much else I can do.

I'm picking that it's just not worth the hassle and will find somewhere where me and the cats can live in peace.

...snip...

If you're planning on selling the house, you'll be up for real estate fees, lawyers fees, bank charges blah blah blah. Depending on the value of the house... it'll add up to huge numbers (like "I could buy me a new bike with that" kinda numbers)

I'm worried about the situation with your neighbours though. It's easy for us (not knowing them) to say do this/do that. You're the one that has to live with them.

My gut feel is that the whole thing about cats is a cover for something larger. They're not happy that you are there for some reason - maybe they have another friend that they want to move in to your house? Maybe the old guy across the road wants to (sell his place buy yours, pocket some money and be closer to his friends), maybe something else.

Their course of action doesn't line up with someone that's upset about the cats. If that's the case they'd be calling animal control and the cats would "go missing" or something.

They'd be talking to you about the cats wandering, not evicting you.

My suggestion is that you keep a diary (God I sound like a broken record here... I've said that to about 5 people thus far)... but it's true. I wouldn't move - it's not you with the problem.

Do you have some friends that could look after the cats for a month? See if the old buggers chut up? I bet they don't

Good luck chapess
MDU

[jaybee180]

If you're planning on selling the house, you'll be up for real estate fees, lawyers fees, bank charges blah blah blah. Depending on the value of the house... it'll add up to huge numbers (like "I could buy me a new bike with that" kinda numbers)

I'm worried about the situation with your neighbours though. It's easy for us (not knowing them) to say do this/do that. You're the one that has to live with them.

My gut feel is that the whole thing about cats is a cover for something larger. They're not happy that you are there for some reason - maybe they have another friend that they want to move in to your house? Maybe the old guy across the road wants to (sell his place buy yours, pocket some money and be closer to his friends), maybe something else.

Their course of action doesn't line up with someone that's upset about the cats. If that's the case they'd be calling animal control and the cats would "go missing" or something.

They'd be talking to you about the cats wandering, not evicting you.

My suggestion is that you keep a diary (God I sound like a broken record here... I've said that to about 5 people thus far)... but it's true. I wouldn't move - it's not you with the problem.

Do you have some friends that could look after the cats for a month? See if the old buggers chut up? I bet they don't

Good luck chapess
MDU
I think you've hit the nail on the head here. I think (in hindsight) that I just don't fit in with what they want in their "little neck of the woods."

I've been keeping a diary but as I work two jobs, and study full time, I'm only here at night and have no idea what's going on during the day. Think it's just not worth the hassle to tell you the truth.

I've been keeping the cats in 24/7 at the moment and it all seems quiet but when the Police delivered the Trespass Notice the other day the old guy next door told them that it wasn't the last of it and he was getting me out come hell or high water. Which is really strange coz you would think I would be the perfect neighbour - never being here and all.

Still ya can't keep all the people happy all the time and as it's more important to keep me happy, I'm prepared to do whatever it takes to get outta here.

Thanks for all the suggestions. I think they are really sad people and I actually feel sorry for them.

[crashe]

but when the Police delivered the Trespass Notice the other day the old guy next door told them that it wasn't the last of it and he was getting me out come hell or high water. Which is really strange coz you would think I would be the perfect neighbour - never being here and all.
I think they are really sad people and I actually feel sorry for them.

Well this old man should just start minding his own business....
He don't live on the said property...

If you are never around then you are the perfect neighbour...lol.

Just had a thought, a sick thought mind you...lol :rofl: :rofl:
Did he hit on you and you turned him down..
so its all sour grapes on his part.... :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

You ain't in a bodycorp complex are you, so therefore they can not make you sell up.

You own two cats, which unless you build a decent size cattery out the back to confine them in all day.... then cats will wander.
Its natural for cats to climb trees.

Hey go and chop the old fella's tree down, then he can't complain no more.

Or he wants you out cos you are in the way of his cult following....
and he wants to bring in another cult member.

So when are you going to have this party...
Im so looking forward to seeing this new cult that is in your street.

[hXc]

I think you've hit the nail on the head here. I think (in hindsight) that I just don't fit in with what they want in their "little neck of the woods."

I've been keeping a diary but as I work two jobs, and study full time, I'm only here at night and have no idea what's going on during the day. Think it's just not worth the hassle to tell you the truth.

I've been keeping the cats in 24/7 at the moment and it all seems quiet but when the Police delivered the Trespass Notice the other day the old guy next door told them that it wasn't the last of it and he was getting me out come hell or high water. Which is really strange coz you would think I would be the perfect neighbour - never being here and all.

Still ya can't keep all the people happy all the time and as it's more important to keep me happy, I'm prepared to do whatever it takes to get outta here.

Thanks for all the suggestions. I think they are really sad people and I actually feel sorry for them.

Don't feel sorry for them. But if you're gunna move out make between now and then the worst time of their life. Rev the bike up in the evening real loud and just say that you are having a problem with the accelerator(sp) and need to keep checking it. Play music loud when you're at home. Etc etc.

If they EVER come over to your property, ask them to leave(Politely) and if they don't then ring the local police station and say that your neighbour is on my front step and intimidating me. Then he may get arrested for tresspassing.

I had a similiar(sp) problem with my neighbour and he complained about my drumming and music and stuff like that so now we just make as much noise as possible and if he ever comes over when my parents aren't here then I ask him to leave then ring the local police and say that I'm 14, home alone and my neighbour is on my front step threatening and intimidating me and he won't leave. They will be around here quick smart.

Don't take their shit-Give some back. Show them that they aren't boss and stand up to them. I'm 14 and my neighbour is a big 50 something year old and I told him to piss off and slammed the door in his face. Don't sit back and let them dish out their shit. Just give it back again.

Good luck

[v.ros`]

mate, just tell him u in the Mafia...

hell im sure some of us bikers can come to your house one day and sort of look "intimidating" . then he wont say a word :)

:Punk:

[Lou Girardin]

When rational argument fails, resort to fear. (Discretely)

[hXc]

Don't stop pissing the hell out of them until they say that you are the neighbour from hell - Then step it up a notch :yes:

[Big Dave]

hell im sure some of us bikers can come to your house one day and sort of look "intimidating" . then he wont say a word :)

:Punk:


Can I play?

[Badcat]

Can I play?


me too?
6'2 105 kilos.

(not as big as dave - but meaner).
- ok maybe not meaner....

[Ixion]

I think you've hit the nail on the head here. I think (in hindsight) that I just don't fit in with what they want in their "little neck of the woods."

I've been keeping a diary but as I work two jobs, and study full time, I'm only here at night and have no idea what's going on during the day. Think it's just not worth the hassle to tell you the truth.

I've been keeping the cats in 24/7 at the moment and it all seems quiet but when the Police delivered the Trespass Notice the other day the old guy next door told them that it wasn't the last of it and he was getting me out come hell or high water. Which is really strange coz you would think I would be the perfect neighbour - never being here and all.

Still ya can't keep all the people happy all the time and as it's more important to keep me happy, I'm prepared to do whatever it takes to get outta here.

Thanks for all the suggestions. I think they are really sad people and I actually feel sorry for them.

It's just because he's old and you're not. Some old people get funny. They go sort of weird and they just generally hate everybody, but young people in particular.

Doesn't matter what you did he'd never be happy or satisfied.

Just ignore him. Tell him to piss off, if he bothers you call the cops and say that this strange old geezer is bugging you and won't go away and you're concerned for your safety.

I don't believe for one moment that your lease allows them to force you out. And even if there was such a clause no court would uphold it.

Meh. /me hates old people. Some , anyway.

[Lou Girardin]

Friggin' old people. Almost as bad as friggin' young people. And those middle-aged wankers - hate 'em.

[Ixion]

Friggin' old people. Almost as bad as friggin' young people. And those middle-aged wankers - hate 'em.

Yeah. Forgot them - /me hates youff too - some youff. And middle aged gits of the gittish variety . And babies. Especially babies (though I'm told they make a nice soup).

[hXc]

And babies. Especially babies (though I'm told they make a nice soup).

Nice one. Yeah they do. Usually a 3 baby soup is just fine :rofl:

[WRT]

Yeah,i know what you are saying,....like elephant shit!

Speaking of which, you can actually get that . . . and really give them something to worry about. 0800 BUY ZOO DOO, on their website www.zoodoo.co.nz it even says they do home delivery.

Phone up, order some generously sized quantities of Elephant excrement, and ask to have it delivered during the day (to the neighbours addy). Let them know that you will be at work, and you are more than happy for them to just back the truck up and drop it on the lawn . . .

[Big Dave]

Yeah. And babies. Especially babies (though I'm told they make a nice soup).

Always my attitude too - screamin' rugrats - till i met the grandson for the first time - this week. he lives in hobart, over for a visit.

Still don't like OP's but this one is a happy little tacker.

[v.ros`]

you would be the perfect "body guard" - coz of your built...

yep u in.

now we need to find a mafia. !

[Lou Girardin]

Yeah. Forgot them - /me hates youff too - some youff. And middle aged gits of the gittish variety . And babies. Especially babies (though I'm told they make a nice soup).

Godamn school holidays, work is like a creche at the moment. I keep waiting for one of the uncontrolled little darlings to impale themselves on a brake lever.

[Big Dave]

Godamn school holidays, work is like a creche at the moment. I keep waiting for one of the uncontrolled little darlings to impale themselves on a brake lever.

Hey - You got any Harley gear for a 1 year old in stock? tee shirt or something?

[Lou Girardin]

Hey - You got any Harley gear for a 1 year old in stock? tee shirt or something?

Leash?
Seriously. No, not for that young.

[Big Dave]

Leash?
Seriously. No, not for that young.


Cool - I got him a tee shirt at the art gallery with 'anarchist' written on it - will have to do.

[Beemer]

That is unbelievable, Jaybee! When we lived in town our elderly neighbour would put bamboo stakes in her garden to deter our two cats from shitting in her flower beds - unfortunately I watched one of them back in over the top of them and deposit a bundle, so it wasn't working!

I know you shouldn't be forced to move, but as we own three cats, I'd be worried about what these old bastards would do if they caught yours. They could easily borrow a trap from the SPCA and tell them they have a stray, then do something to them (even dump them miles from home) if they caught them. I'd kill anyone who hurt my moggies!

Ours are sods - but we live in the country and have three acres so it's not like they are annoying our neighbours - they are liked by the farmer next door as two of them catch rabbits! The kitten is a bit too little to try it yet!

Our neighbours are the opposite of yours - we arrive with six bikes and THEY say they hope their daughters playing the piano in the afternoon won't disturb US! You don't realise how nice it is to have good neighbours until you don't.

Good luck, and I hope your kitties live on to shit on lawns and climb trees - that's what they do!

[myvice]

Fun with neighbours:
A truck of Zoodoo might be fun but a friendly dumptruck driver can do all sorts of nasty things for a case of beer.
Gardens dont like Round-Up.
Get a bunch of Hells Angels to turn up for a coffee one Sunday.
If you can, get their E-mail (if thay have one) and send it to every porn site you can find.
Mouse trap in the letter box.
Water ballons filled with paint.
Claymore on the doorstep.
Tip off the cops "its a P lab"
Fill the house with NO2, will keep them happy.
C4.
Make up a fake "We will be putting 40,000 volt pylons through your property on the 7/3/06" letter, then they will leave.
Keep free range chickens.
Keep free range pitbulls.
Buy a digeridoo.
Better yet, bagpipes!
More C4.
Jog naked.
Sheet metal sculpture with an angle grinder.
RC helicopter.
Street drags.
Local hero parade.
Cuban death squad.
Burning cross lawn ornament.
S.A.M. battery.
Free range howler monkeys.
Salvation Army band 4am wake up call.
20/20 on their door step.
Super glue on the door handle.
Turn the water off.
Turn the power off.
Have Coronation St canceled.
Convince the local Jahovah Witless church that they need saving.
Buy a V twin with open headers.
Convince the local Mormon church that they need saving.
S.A.S hostage training house.
Train a band of "killer" ferrets to attack their feet every morning.
Send to Oz for a carton of fire ants and build a nest on their back lawn (bull ants are also a good option)
Build a little fortress in the long grass and have long loud disscussions with your imaginary friend on how to rid the earth of their fiendish regime.
Build a little fortress and just sing loudly to your imaginary friend (out of key)
Train a band of girl scouts to sing "buy our biscuits, buy our biscuits!!" from out of your little fortress (out of key!), move your fortress to their front doorstep.
Convince the local church of Satain that they need saving.
Get another 200 or so cats.
Keep bats.
Paint yourself with camo paint and hide in the middle of the front lawn, with binoculars traind on the house.
Join the RX7 club.
Get the local kids into motoX.

Dont ask me, I dont know. :yes:

[crashe]

Jaybee - Update on this story is now required..

Did you sell up...?
What happened to the farewell party to piss the old grumpy neighbour off?


yep we know you are now engaged to "Aitch"



But we want to know what happened to the rest of this story......

[jaybee180]

Well to finish off the story ......

Finally got a lawyer to write the grumpy ole bastards a letter telling them they should grow up and not threaten "unlawful" acts. Haven't really heard from them since although the old guy at the front takes great delight in coming outside everytime Aitch or I get home and watching every move we make. I'm still keeping the cats locked in during the day and as we have bought our own place I'm just counting down the days til we move.

Of course he has also tried putting up metal stakes along the driveway to prevent us swinging the car in to get it parked - but we soon moved those in the dead of night.

BUT.......

hows this for an encore....

Sold my house a few weeks ago ...... only to have the guy who bought it die one day before it went unconditional!!!! He just dropped dead at the age of 52!!!! How's that for bad luck all round? Now it's back on the market again!

God I can't wait to move!

And so it goes on .........

[Patrick]

Well to finish off the story ......


...... only to have the guy who bought it die one day before it went unconditional!!!! He just dropped dead at the age of 52!!!! How's that for bad luck all round? Now it's back on the market again!

God I can't wait to move!

And so it goes on .........

Bugger... must have heard he was going to have crap neighbours and this was the only way out of the contract.....

[jaybee180]

Yup - pretty drastic option - but my neighbours have driven me close to murder at times .......... guess dropping dead like that has no future consequences for him!!!

Must admit it's the only death I've dealt with that has actually left me in hysterical giggles by the end of the day!!! (no disrespect intended)

[Patrick]

Good on ya...If you can't laugh, you'll go mad (er?)

[Sniper]

Just caught up with the thread JB, its funny. I have a problem with my immidiate neighbour too. He is under the impression that because he has lived in the front house longer than I have, he can come through to my back yard and have a BBQ with his mates.

He didn't like it when the police came around along with the landlord and carted him off. Its a pity you don't have a landlord to fall back on.

Good luck though.

[ManDownUnder]

Yup - pretty drastic option - but my neighbours have driven me close to murder at times .......... guess dropping dead like that has no future consequences for him!!!

Must admit it's the only death I've dealt with that has actually left me in hysterical giggles by the end of the day!!! (no disrespect intended)

At the risk of inviting myself to your place - and bringing a few mates...

how's about a party... nice and loud (minimal mess of course...) every weekend once the house goes unconditional...

Someone be sure to bring something to throw onto their lawn or roof that'll do some damage over time... maybe grass seed onto their roof?

Spray a farewell message on their lawn...

[Sniper]

Spray a farewell message on their lawn...

With Round up! :2thumbsup

[yungatart]

At the risk of inviting myself to your place - and bringing a few mates...

how's about a party... nice and loud (minimal mess of course...) every weekend once the house goes unconditional...
Yeah- we'll come... we can bring the band-just a small one, 5 piece, but those double kick pedals are sure to drive someone insane!

[Patrick]

With Round up! :2thumbsup

Aviation fuel is better...nothing will grow...EVER!!!

[Sniper]

Aviation fuel is better...nothing will grow...EVER!!!

True, but aviation fuel isnt as readily availible as round up.

[ManDownUnder]

poison a few of the trees growing along the boundary (or even better - really big ones growing near the house)...

with time they die... and fall over...

[Aitch]

True, but aviation fuel isnt as readily availible as round up.
Isn't avgas just kerosine??????

[Sniper]

Isn't avgas just kerosine??????

In all honesty, Im not actually sure.

[Aitch]

Jet fuel is not a variant of diesel, it is a form
of kerosine. Diesel is much higher molecular
weight, and many international grades will
solidify at temperatures around - 20C. Diesel
also contains many trace elements that will
produce corrosive compounds in aircraft
turbine engines.



There ya go!

[Aitch]

Aviation turbine fuels are used for powering jet and turbo-prop engined aircraft and are not to be confused with Avgas. Outside former communist areas, there are currently two main grades of turbine fuel in use in civil commercial aviation : Jet A-1 and Jet A, both are kerosine type fuels. There is another grade of jet fuel, Jet B which is a wide cut kerosine (a blend of gasoline and kerosine) but it is rarely used except in very cold climates.


I love google!

[CPB]

Yeah- we'll come... we can bring the band-just a small one, 5 piece, but those double kick pedals are sure to drive someone insane!

aaahhhhhhhhhhh the double kick...now that's music to my ears, this sounds like a bash not to be missed...I'lll bring the wee Marshall along to serenade them to death...I mean sleep....nah...I meant death...give the band a drinks break... :headbang:

[yungatart]

aaahhhhhhhhhhh the double kick...now that's music to my ears, this sounds like a bash not to be missed...I'lll bring the wee Marshall along to serenade them to death...I mean sleep....nah...I meant death...give the band a drinks break... :headbang:
We've got a few BIG Marshalls, 5 pc drum kit with MANY assorted cymbals, guitars, keyboards etc.. not recommended to give some of these guys a drinks break-they forget to start playing again! (and of course, the drummer is underage)

[Fart]

How's this for funny?

Received a letter from a lawyer today threatening to evict me from my own house because my two cats are a 'nuisance" to my neighbours!!!! WTF!!



I can bring my two dogs around and deliver some major poos in your neighbours front door. :yes:

[Cibby]

hmmmm i still like the idea of the muffler testing day..

I need holes drilled in mine to ah... improve airflow.

When shall i bring it over ?

[ManDownUnder]

hmmmm i still like the idea of the muffler testing day..

I need holes drilled in mine to ah... improve airflow.

When shall i bring it over ?

Post it... then ride over to collect it...

I thjink we all should

[The Stranger]

What's the world coming to?

The miserable bastards. You are going to the trouble and cost of providing sport for the neighbours and they don't even appreciate it.

Don't involve your lawyer. Lawyers love this, they will be pissing themselves at how easy it is to make money. Send it to me instead, I will appreciate your efforts.

[Lou Girardin]

I can bring my two dogs around and deliver some major poos in your neighbours front door. :yes:

No, make like Jim Carey and drop one of your own on their lawn.

[jaybee180]

I tell ya it would give me great pleasure to do ALL of the previous suggestions (heehee).........can just see the looks on their faces. Would be worth it for that alone.

Thanks guys - you've certainly added light to what is nothing other than a ridiculously stupid situation.

Roll on the 7th October when we move into our new house. (Now have another contract on this place and keeping my fingers crossed that the purchaser has a clean bill of health and is not intending to drop dead anytime soon!)

[Aitch]

I tell ya it would give me great pleasure to do ALL of the previous suggestions (heehee).........can just see the looks on their faces. Would be worth it for that alone.

Thanks guys - you've certainly added light to what is nothing other than a ridiculously stupid situation.

Roll on the 7th October when we move into our new house. (Now have another contract on this place and keeping my fingers crossed that the purchaser has a clean bill of health and is not intending to drop dead anytime soon!)

I'm not sure that those twisted wizened bitter old faces are capable of displaying any looks!

[Fart]

No, make like Jim Carey and drop one of your own on their lawn.

Classic! Me and the mates have done a few of those during our school days way back. :killingme

[thehollowmen]

True, but aviation fuel isnt as readily availible as round up.
Pool salt
*cough*

[Sniper]

Pool salt
*cough*

Really?.....

[thehollowmen]

Really?.....

Yep
Once it is watered into the ground it makes an ever growing dead patch for years to come.