F4 & F5 GP 2011, Taupo Track 3, 6 November

[F5 Dave]

Anyway can we get away for this inane dribble & get back to the real matter at hand; - Smack talking about who is going to win next year (bearing in mind that it isn't that far away). I think Hamish could feature prominently.
If he could only lose a bit of weight.

[Shorty_925]

- Smack talking about who is going to win next year (bearing in mind that it isn't that far away).

Will you or your 100 last? :innocent:

[F5 Dave]

I'll have to start be exercise (& stretching progam) earlier than the night before, like this year. Then I might tighten the stator plate nuts & even loctite. Not to say that will help the rest of the engine stay together. Maybe I'll be finished my proper engine:blink:.



Besides, I didn't see you finishing



(I was probably too busy pushing back to the pits).

[Shorty_925]

Doing the GP's you will! It did seem to go pretty quick, though my knees werent saying that at the end.

The timing system never lies...
16 184 Peter Robson 33 32:22.298 29.926 57.158 31 81.878
DNF 27 David Trustrum 2 2:04.454 59.069 2 79.229

Wanted to get the green bike from chch but he picked his pace up when it dried out. My bike didnt do too badly for a unmolested FXR. Maybe a diet of bread and water only and maybe I won't loose so much ground on the straights. Looking forward to all those corners on track 2.

[F5 Dave]

So you're saying you went 2 sec a lap quicker than me huh? Well I'll probably come up with some cleverly engineered excuse like my bike barely made it to the 2nd lap. Its cold comfort as I can't deny I had my arse handed to me. But there is always next year. and so on.
:2guns:

[Moooools]

Anyway can we get away for this inane dribble & get back to the real matter at hand; - Smack talking about who is going to win next year (bearing in mind that it isn't that far away). I think Hamish could feature prominently.
If he could only lose a bit of weight.

Well I hate to say it guys, but this one is obvious.

I am coming to race next year with some serious modifications which include:

A louder exhaust
A pod filter
A dynojet stage 3 jetting kit
Thicker knee-sliders to get my knee down more
120-section front tyre and a 320-rear.
Lengthened swing arm.
Air ride suspension.
Chrome
A flame and skull paint job.

Y'all better watch out.

[F5 Dave]

"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Moooools again."

for a young cheeky wanker, you're actually writing some good stuff these days.:rofl:

[Shorty_925]

So you're saying you went 2 sec a lap quicker than me huh? Well I'll probably come up with some cleverly engineered excuse like my bike barely made it to the 2nd lap. Its cold comfort as I can't deny I had my arse handed to me. But there is always next year. and so on.
:2guns:

Yes always next year, and the one after that, and after that :yes: As long as the tophy doesnt go any further south that Wellington!

[Str8 Jacket]

Yes always next year, and the one after that, and after that :yes: As long as the tophy doesnt go any further south that Wellington!

I do hope that you are not picking on the south islanders young man! :nono:

[Shorty_925]

I do hope that you are not picking on the south islanders young man! :nono:

No never... :innocent:

Seriously though, hope they return.

[Grumph]

Give the Hoogies a sniff of something which will look good on the CV and they'll throw the farm at it....they'll be back.

[F5 Dave]

Can't deny they were real competitive. May have been a different race in the dry. Although Andrew goes well in the dry. Might have brought Dave D & his son up the order & Rich, but also Hoogie 2 & Cam no doubt.

Hmm, need to get some well ridden 2 strokes in the mix

[andrew a]

My wife and kids turned up at the end of the day. When I hoped in the car to drice off one of thekids said that Caleb had told them thats the last time dad will win it because he was going to!
I chuckled to myself.
As Dave has said Dave D was going very well and there was at least six guys that could have won the race. If Hamish turned up he could also win.

[richban]

there was at least six guys that could have won the race.

Lets hope the next one is dry so we can put on a really exciting race for the SKB crowd.

[Dutchee]

Lets hope the next one is dry so we can put on a really exciting race for the SKB crowd.

Rich, Rich, Rich. It's not SKB, it's SBK. And the thousands of spectators will only be there to watch the SBK bikes, and the motards (depending on who you're talking to). No one in their right mind would go spectate anything else.

Remember to bow as you're going past the SBK and motard garages.

On that note, will my favourite class be there (sidecars)?

I hope we'll have a few more F5 riders by then. But looks like it'll be a busy season and lots of fun :)

[Moooools]

Rich, Rich, Rich. It's not SKB, it's SBK. And the thousands of spectators will only be there to watch the SBK bikes, and the motards (depending on who you're talking to). No one in their right mind would go spectate anything else.

Remember to bow as you're going past the SBK and motard garages.

On that note, will my favourite class be there (sidecars)?

I hope we'll have a few more F5 riders by then. But looks like it'll be a busy season and lots of fun :)

F5 bike in the works. Should be done by january next year.

[gav]

Cheap F5 project right here http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/parts-for-sale/other/auction-421727438.htm

[TZ350]

there was at least six guys that could have won the race. If Hamish turned up he could also win.

Its pretty clear, that if a good rider bothers to build a fast stroker they could dominate the longer tracks.

[gav]

Its pretty clear, that if a good rider bothers to build a fast stroker they could dominate the longer tracks.
Why is it so clear? :no:
You've had Avalon riding for you for a while now, is she not fast enough? :confused:

Once some of the faster four stroke riders decide to get serious and build a fast bike and more so a fast chassis, you wont see which way they went? Stock steel FXR and CBR frames from an Asian commuter bike? Nah ditch those and get something lighter and better handing.
Seriously, the four stroke brigade have only just started. And you must realise by now that you need more than just peak power to build a good race bike?

[richban]

Once some of the faster four stroke riders decide to get serious and build a fast bike and more so a fast chassis, you wont see which way they went? Stock steel FXR and CBR frames from an Asian commuter bike? Nah ditch those and get something lighter and better handing.
Seriously, the four stroke brigade have only just started. And you must realise by now that you need more than just peak power to build a good race bike?

It is interesting that the top 5 or 6 in the results are on standard chassis bikes with small suspension upgrades only. I am not in so much hurry to put an engine In a super stiff frame made for much more power. Flex is a good thing. Heaps of feed back from the bike. I remember talking to Kyle H about riding an rs125 and him saying you don't get much feedback from the bike. It's ether on rails or on your ass. Not sure if others feel the same but food for thought. I remember riding fishies bike an thinking If felt like a sold block of ice. But I spoze it works for him. Might be better now. But one thing is for sure bikes and riders are getting faster all the time. It's good to see.

[Trudes]

It is interesting that the top 5 or 6 in the results are on standard chassis bikes with small suspension upgrades only. I am not in so much hurry to put an engine In a super stiff frame made for much more power. Flex is a good thing. Heaps of feed back from the bike. I remember talking to Kyle H about riding an rs125 and him saying you don't get much feedback from the bike. It's ether on rails or on your ass. Not sure if others feel the same but food for thought. I remember riding fishies bike an thinking If felt like a sold block of ice. But I spoze it works for him. Might be better now. But one thing is for sure bikes and riders are getting faster all the time. It's good to see.

Rich, you must have a ride on Rangi if you like a bike with 'flex'. :laugh:

[jasonu]

Its pretty clear, that if a good rider bothers to build a fast stroker they could dominate the longer tracks.

A bold statement if I ever heard one. I hope someone will back it up.


Why is it so clear? :no:
You've had Avalon riding for you for a while now, is she not fast enough? :confused:

Once some of the faster four stroke riders decide to get serious and build a fast bike and more so a fast chassis, you wont see which way they went? Stock steel FXR and CBR frames from an Asian commuter bike? Nah ditch those and get something lighter and better handing.
Seriously, the four stroke brigade have only just started. And you must realise by now that you need more than just peak power to build a good race bike?

Valid points.
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...post1130189225

[richban]

Rich, you must have a ride on Rangi if you like a bike with 'flex'. :laugh:

One day. At this point going riding is the last thing I want to do. My back is so fecked. No riding for a while.

[TZ350]

Why is it so clear? :no: Once some of the faster four stroke riders decide to get serious and build a fast bike ......

If you do the numbers you will see the 4-strokes are clearly getting close to what is practical but the 2 strokers still have much more room for development at reasonable cost.


..... and more so a fast chassis, you wont see which way they went? Stock steel FXR and CBR frames from an Asian commuter bike? Nah ditch those and get something lighter and better handing.

Have you seen what the stroker girl and boys are starting to turn up with.


you must realise by now that you need more than just peak power to build a good race bike?

Yes agreed, you have to ride fast to be fast, so it won't be me winning the next GP, but I think the 4-stroke boys need to get their skates on or some good rider out there and there are a few of them around the country will show up with an all conquering stroker soon.

[Henk]

I know it won't be me winning the next one either. The guys / gals that are fast won't be doing it on HP alone, handling and skill have a lot to do with it, yes on a long track power is much more important than on the kart tracks we usually race on up here but even with a slower bike there is a truckload of fun to be had. I had ball at the GP, in both races, even though I got lapped by the field in F5, including by my wife. Would I have got a better result if F4 if I hadn't run in F5 as well? Possibly, would more power have helped, probably, would I do it all the same knowing that I was going to be lapped by guys I can usually beat at Mt Wellington? Absolutely.
There were about 6 people at Taupo with a shot at the number one plate, the rest of us were there for other reasons be that catching up with mates from around the country or to work on the development on the engine type of their choice, the whole two versus four discussion is an interesting distraction but doesn't have all that much bearing on what goes on on track.
If Andrew had been on a fast two stroke would he still have won? Can't honestly say but my money would be on him being at the front scrapping for it. It really isn't all about the bike.

[gav]

If you do the numbers you will see the 4-strokes are clearly getting close to what is practical but the 2 strokers still have much more room for development at reasonable cost.
And you think the four strokes don't? :eek: Most are still running standard chassis, brakes etc. A lot of weight could come off some of these bikes yet.


Have you seen what the stroker girl and boys are starting to turn up with.
Sure have, a couple of them are being built down here, but once/if they start cleaning up, a bit more work will go into the four strokes



Yes agreed, you have to ride fast to be fast, so it won't be me winning the next GP, but I think the 4-stroke boys need to get their skates on or some good rider out there and there are a few of them around the country will show up with an all conquering stroker soon.

All I can say is they are going to be pretty special to beat the current crop, but it would be good to see them in the mix, thats for sure.

[TZ350]

All I can say is they are going to be pretty special to beat the current crop, but it would be good to see them in the mix, thats for sure.

Agreed, anyone at the pointy end of F4 is pretty special, I am picking a stroker or two will join them soon.

[koba]

Agreed, any one at the pointy end of F4 is pretty special, I am picking a stroker or two will join them soon.

I certainly qualify as a stroker :laugh: and I'm going to be footing it with the top guys at the next GP. :spanking:

Or having the bike die because I've tried to squeeze out too much power with too many shortcuts.