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speights_bud
12th July 2005, 17:17
Took part in the bucket races in Waipawa this weekend just gone. The A100 performed quite well for me and even for a 2-smoke was very reliable. :ride: I'm interested in building a new bucket bike with something along the lines of a 140cc 4-stroke engine and a rolling frame including disc brakes and callipers. I'm thinking that disc brakes will work a hell of a lot better than the drum ones on the A100 atm :yes: .
Any suggestions and/or offers would be much appreciated
speedpro
12th July 2005, 18:43
FXR150. Capacity limit for 4-strokes is now 150cc.
Flyingpony
13th July 2005, 09:20
Damn.
Feel ripped off :mad: since I paid more than 74c for my lovely :love: metallic green bucket.
And all this time I thought it was a motorcycle and a bucket was where I put my warm soapy water in for cleaning my motorcycle :whistle:
Took part in the bucket races in Waipawa this weekend just gone. The A100 performed quite well for me and even for a 2-smoke was very reliable. :ride: I'm interested in building a new bucket bike with something along the lines of a 140cc 4-stroke engine and a rolling frame including disc brakes and callipers. I'm thinking that disc brakes will work a hell of a lot better than the drum ones on the A100 atm :yes: .
Any suggestions and/or offers would be much appreciated
I took part too on the RD50 and it was cool but I want something with more power. The same Idea as speights but like a CB125 engine in any old frame I can beg/steal/be given/swap and put some fat arse tyres on it. Dad's old GSXR tyres would be suitable. If they fit. And I would need rims of the same size. :yes:
TonyB
13th July 2005, 11:06
I took part too on the RD50 and it was cool but I want something with more power. The same Idea as speights but like a CB125 engine in any old frame I can beg/steal/be given/swap and put some fat arse tyres on it. Dad's old GSXR tyres would be suitable. If they fit. And I would need rims of the same size. :yes:
I'm no expert, but I reckon putting fat tyres on would be a baaaaad idea. They will slow down the steering and make the bike handle worse. A bucket doesn't have the power or weight to need fat tyres. Take a look at the 125GP bikes, they have skinny wee tyres and corner faster than the MotoGP bikes
I'm no expert, but I reckon putting fat tyres on would be a baaaaad idea. They will slow down the steering and make the bike handle worse. A bucket doesn't have the power or weight to need fat tyres. Take a look at the 125GP bikes, they have skinny wee tyres and corner faster than the MotoGP bikes
But you can lean it over a lot more and it gives you more traction
TonyB
13th July 2005, 11:26
But you can lean it over a lot more and it gives you more traction
Have you seen how far they lean 125GP bikes over? They get waaaaaaay over. I'm sure someone like F5 or speedpro will turn up to offer their opinions on this.
Have you seen how far they lean 125GP bikes over? They get waaaaaaay over. I'm sure someone like F5 or speedpro will turn up to offer their opinions on this.
I not very confident at riding. I would feel uncomfortable leaning skinnies over real far.
Ixion
13th July 2005, 11:53
But you can lean it over a lot more and it gives you more traction
No , you can (other things being equal) lean a skinny tyre over further and faster than a fat one, because there is less shoulder transition . A skinny tyre can come closer to the perfect semicircle section (to envisage, imagine trying to lean over using a wide "car" tyre off an SUV - impossible). "Fat" tyres (wide ones really) have to have squarer sections.
More traction is only an issue if the smaller tyre can't cope.
Flyingpony
13th July 2005, 12:58
I've ridden 2-wheeled bikes with fat (balloon as found on quads) and standard tyres.
They have less cornering ability than those with thin tyres, but have much less wheel spin in swampy ground, mud and river sand dunes - still can get stuck :yes:
Oh, and they can aqua plane with only 2cm deep water in Mr Farmers paddock :whistle: :love:
I'm meaning like my dads old GSXR tyres. Not quad tyres.
MSTRS
13th July 2005, 16:39
I'm meaning like my dads old GSXR tyres. Not quad tyres.
When I's afinished wid dem dere wiiiide tyres deys won' be fit fer nuffink much 'cept a 'necklace' fer dat Mugabe fulla
Flyingpony
13th July 2005, 17:16
I'm meaning like my dads old GSXR tyres. Not quad tyres.
True. Didn't think GSXR's came with quad tyres.
I might have an old 'bucket' with some TLC, what kind of speeds should these be capable of?
40,
50,
60,
70,
80,
90,
the ton?
MSTRS
13th July 2005, 17:33
True. Didn't think GSXR's came with quad tyres.
I might have an old 'bucket' with some TLC, what kind of speeds should these be capable of?
40,
50,
60,
70,
80,
90,
the ton?
Tracks tend to be smallish so it's more a matter of acceleration rather than top speed. In saying, I read somewhere that fastest buckets get up to around 80/90kph on the track.
Tracks tend to be smallish so it's more a matter of acceleration rather than top speed. In saying, I read somewhere that fastest buckets get up to around 80/90kph on the track.
Nah we would have easily been hitting 120kph on sunday, the best one could do 130 i reckon.
MSTRS
13th July 2005, 17:54
Nah we would have easily been hitting 120kph on sunday, the best one could do 130 i reckon.
Sheeesh! My bad
Kickaha
13th July 2005, 18:15
Sheeesh! My bad
We race long tracks, not Kart tracks, so we have a bit more time to get them cranked up
Nah, just South Island riders are much faster :eyepoke: :pop: :nya:
Nah, just South Island riders are much faster :eyepoke: :pop: :nya:
Yeah well only the ones who actually know how to maintain a bike and not have it break down every 5 mins :rofl:
dangerous
13th July 2005, 19:41
Yeah well only the ones who actually know how to maintain a bike and not have it break down every 5 mins :rofl:
Are you trying to say something here squwert :wait:
Yeah well only the ones who actually know how to maintain a bike and not have it break down every 5 mins :rofl:
Hmmm, well that certainly narrows down the field, doesnt it?
speedpro
13th July 2005, 22:12
Use the skinniest sticky tyres you can get to fit, something like an 80 or 90x17. Even there with modern tyre construction technically you will need 2.15" rims, technically. In reality you can get away with smaller ones.
Top speeds on Mt Wellington are around 80kph. At Taupo the best buckets are only marginally slower than the RGV150s but do similar lap times because of better ground clearance. My old bucket with 19.9hp was probably good for about 150k, the current one with 22.5hp is good for a bit over 160k. When you look at it in the garage with it's little skinny forks and furniture tube frame it's a bit scary, but out on the track it seems just fine.
FROSTY
14th July 2005, 04:56
Ive seen the bucket track in wellywood now and I must say Ive changed my opinion a tadd.
Mt wellington track in auckland is a very tight track with only one straight to wind the bike up. From what ive seen of the welly track its got bigger faster corners and straights to suit a bike perhaps with wider tyres.
I think a GP125 chasis would be the best bet for wellywood.0and Taupo for that matter.
speights_bud
17th July 2005, 21:30
Take a look at the 125GP bikes, they have skinny wee tyres and corner faster than the MotoGP bikes
I agree, I was on the same track as HC and found it all too easy to get the pegs touching the ground. In fact found it difficuilt to keep them off, looks like i gotta get my arse off the seat and stick my knee's out more :Punk:
speedpro
17th July 2005, 22:27
Skinny tyres also have the benefit of not having to lean the bike over so far to go the same speed round a corner. All to do with where the contact patch moves to in relation to the centre line of the bike when the bike is cranked over.
Ivan
18th July 2005, 09:59
I'm no expert, but I reckon putting fat tyres on would be a baaaaad idea. They will slow down the steering and make the bike handle worse. A bucket doesn't have the power or weight to need fat tyres. Take a look at the 125GP bikes, they have skinny wee tyres and corner faster than the MotoGP bikes
Most open class buckets in Wellington use NSR250 frames etc and I race a 125 and they do not have skinny wee tyres
Kickaha
18th July 2005, 12:00
Most open class buckets in Wellington use NSR250 frames etc and I race a 125 and they do not have skinny wee tyres
They have Skinny wee tyres compared to most other bikes,most buckets down here run RS front slicks front and rear
The NSR frames etc seem to big long and heavy to me, especially for the short tracks
TonyB
18th July 2005, 14:38
Most open class buckets in Wellington use NSR250 frames etc and I race a 125 and they do not have skinny wee tyres
I'm comparing them to the 120 front 180 rear that 'his dads GSXR' will have
MSTRS
18th July 2005, 14:47
I'm comparing them to the 120 front 180 rear that 'his dads GSXR' will have
Yep. I think I've sorted his theory on that. You know - bigger tyre + bigger grip. Not.
Ivan
18th July 2005, 15:11
You can get it over more it comes down to the chassis I want a rs chassis but any alloy chassis is good. I understand what you mean now. But getting back to the actual subject (This website is bad for this you start a thread about building a bucket and it gets sidetracked) I want to know if anyone is running a AG100 and what sort of expansion chamber design do you run. I have a book called two stroke performance tuning thanks to F5Dave. My AG100 is going to be mounted in a MB100 chassis
speedpro
18th July 2005, 18:19
My AG100 is going to be mounted in a MB100 chassis
Can't quite see the advantage of doing that. The MB chassis is kind of heavy and the suspension isn't fancy. You could probably get the Ag suspension working at least as good as MB springy bits, you'd replace the rear shocks anyway or go monoshock and it'd be easier to fit a good front end on the Ag rather than the MB. If you drop the MB front down to get it lower the rake ends up too steep and it is a job to fix. Jim Steadman's chassis is a Kawasaki 100 farm bike chassis and it is great. The suspension is where you need to do the work. If you make it monoshock you could remove the whole (heavy) rear frame and fabricate something nice and light.
speedpro
18th July 2005, 18:23
I want to know if anyone is running a AG100 and what sort of expansion chamber design do you run. I have a book called two stroke performance tuning thanks to F5Dave.
If you aren't going to get one designed especially for your motor some of the guys here have used motocross pipes from something in the 80-125 range. 80 size is probably better. Use moto-X as they have somewhat broader powerbands which seem to work well on bucket tracks and bucket motors. They weigh less as well, make sure you get the muffler with it.
If you aren't going to get one designed especially for your motor some of the guys here have used motocross pipes from something in the 80-125 range. 80 size is probably better. Use moto-X as they have somewhat broader powerbands which seem to work well on bucket tracks and bucket motors. They weigh less as well, make sure you get the muffler with it.
You're not allowed to run any motocross parts for bucket racing.
Ivan
18th July 2005, 20:15
Yeah I have an RM80 expansion chamber but my brother is using that on his AG Hybrid RM80. I will design a pipe to suit the bike. Me and friend are getting into performance tuning aswell. Carbon fibre reeds Porting Expansion chambers etc. I am using MB100 chassis as it was given to me from a friend and was given a AG100 but it needed assembling. If any of you have had a chance to look at A. Graham Bell's Two Stroke Performance Tuning you would know what I mean when I say it is a race book. It tells you how to turn a shitter road bike into pretty much a GP bike it rules
Ivan
18th July 2005, 20:16
Anyone here know what a set of AG Crank bearings will cost me and also a piston
If any of you have had a chance to look at A. Graham Bell's Two Stroke Performance Tuning you would know what I mean when I say it is a race book. It tells you how to turn a shitter road bike into pretty much a GP bike it rules
Really!? :wait: :whistle: You think when you've finished with the book you could send it to Mr Paul Denning c/- Suzuki MotoGP?
speedpro
18th July 2005, 21:06
You're not allowed to run any motocross parts for bucket racing.
In the motor.
You could get a whole RS or CR/KX/YZ/whatever, pull the motor out and put in a Suzuki TS125 and go bucket racing, legally!
There's a link to the rules on this website from the Wellington guys:
http://www.scs.net.nz/scspromos.htm
FROSTY
18th July 2005, 21:18
maybee its just my soggy brain but I remember the old rg50 handled pretty well out of the box -could be a cheap chasis to start with
My thinking is for buckets in wellywood you need stiff light frames.
TonyB
18th July 2005, 21:19
Really!? :wait: :whistle: You think when you've finished with the book you could send it to Mr Paul Denning c/- Suzuki MotoGP?
Na- it's for 2 strokes Gav. Think he has done one for 4 strokes as well.
Ivan, I was going to ask if A. Graham Bell's book is the one you have. I've got it too. Interesting stuff eh? I have one thing to say tho......
SHHHHHHH! you're giving away the secrets with which I intend to take over the Bucket world and rule it with a leather and kevlar fist. Muhahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
Did I say that out loud?
speedpro
18th July 2005, 21:27
I think there's about 20 years development thats happened after Mr Bell's book was written. You won't rule the world using that. You'll be on the right track but you aint going to rule the world.
I have plans, oh yes. plans, lots of plans, and even a few bits. Haahahahahahaaaaharhar haaahahahahahaarrrrrrrha!The world will be minemine
Well, maybe.
TonyB
18th July 2005, 21:33
I think there's about 20 years development thats happened after Mr Bell's book was written. You won't rule the world using that. You'll be on the right track but you aint going to rule the world.
I have plans, oh yes. plans, lots of plans, and even a few bits. Haahahahahahaaaaharhar haaahahahahahaarrrrrrrha!The world will be minemine
Well, maybe.
*Looks to the sky* There is anotheeeeeer......
stanko
18th July 2005, 21:35
Hey Tony, Ive found the secret weapon for your devilish plan to rise to the top of Bucket infamy, a GP125 owners manual. Secret wiring diagrams , tyre sizes --- everything even how to adjust the clutch freeplay. They wont know what hit them !!
dangerous
18th July 2005, 21:37
Hey Tony, Ive found the secret weapon for your devilish plan to rise to the top of Bucket infamy, a GP125 owners manual. Secret wiring diagrams , tyre sizes --- everything even how to adjust the clutch freeplay. They wont know what hit them !!
And I see that you Mr stanko have bid on a bucket huh........ plan on taking us all to the cleaners now do ya :drinkup:
stanko
18th July 2005, 21:40
Im actually a bit confused on that, might not be the best choice, but its quite nice anyway.
diesel pig
18th July 2005, 21:47
Ah, TonyB anyone who has hotted up a 2-stroke has read that book :wait:
Argh, frig that, I'm looking at buying something like this (errr maybe :whistle: )
Honda CBR125 or 150 out of Thailand, good for 25hp out of the box, landed in NZ around $2000. Otherwise something like the Honda NS-1, this is an 80cc water cooled two stroke, this particular bike has a 100cc big bore kit, good for hmmm rather not say..... :whistle:
150cc racing is thriving in Asai so I'm also looking at possibly tracking down some ex race bikes and importing something. :Punk:
MSTRS
19th July 2005, 08:58
Argh, frig that, I'm looking at buying something like this (errr maybe :whistle: )
Honda CBR125 or 150 out of Thailand, good for 25hp out of the box, landed in NZ around $2000. Otherwise something like the Honda NS-1, this is an 80cc water cooled two stroke, this particular bike has a 100cc big bore kit, good for hmmm rather not say..... :whistle:
150cc racing is thriving in Asai so I'm also looking at possibly tracking down some ex race bikes and importing something. :Punk:
Bit against the spirit of bucketing, isn't it?
Ivan
19th July 2005, 11:22
Na- it's for 2 strokes Gav. Think he has done one for 4 strokes as well.
Ivan, I was going to ask if A. Graham Bell's book is the one you have. I've got it too. Interesting stuff eh? I have one thing to say tho......
SHHHHHHH! you're giving away the secrets with which I intend to take over the Bucket world and rule it with a leather and kevlar fist. Muhahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
Did I say that out loud?
Yes it is but I'm going to rule the bucket world
TonyB
19th July 2005, 11:24
Ah, TonyB anyone who has hotted up a 2-stroke has read that book :wait:
CURSES!
Hey Tony, Ive found the secret weapon for your devilish plan to rise to the top of Bucket infamy, a GP125 owners manual. Secret wiring diagrams , tyre sizes --- everything even how to adjust the clutch freeplay. They wont know what hit them !!
Secret wiring diagrams????
Tyre sizes????
Everything????
Even how to adjust the clutch freeplay?!?!?!? Pray tell, where is this book? Is it in your posession?
TonyB
19th July 2005, 11:32
Yes it is but I'm going to rule the bucket world
Sadly it looks as though Gav will rule the bucket world with his devious plan to import exotic racing machinery :(
Ivan
19th July 2005, 11:38
Hey Tony, Ive found the secret weapon for your devilish plan to rise to the top of Bucket infamy, a GP125 owners manual. Secret wiring diagrams , tyre sizes --- everything even how to adjust the clutch freeplay. They wont know what hit them !!
RS125 owners manual?
Ivan
19th July 2005, 11:41
Sadly it looks as though Gav will rule the bucket world with his devious plan to import exotic racing machinery :(
Exotic racing or not it comes down to the rider. My piece of shit will get whelled out the trailor everyone will laugh every one will be drolling over Gav's bike and I am going to fly past
Bren_chch
19th July 2005, 12:23
Argh, frig that, I'm looking at buying something like this (errr maybe :whistle: )
Honda CBR125 or 150 out of Thailand, good for 25hp out of the box, landed in NZ around $2000. Otherwise something like the Honda NS-1, this is an 80cc water cooled two stroke, this particular bike has a 100cc big bore kit, good for hmmm rather not say..... :whistle:
150cc racing is thriving in Asai so I'm also looking at possibly tracking down some ex race bikes and importing something. :Punk:
You owe it to yourself to get one of these fine machines... :ride:
stanko
19th July 2005, 12:55
RS125 owners manual?
Err no
A genuine Suzuki GP125 owners manual 1977 free to the lowest bidder
Ivan
19th July 2005, 15:03
Can I have it for my performance tuning workshop
TonyB
19th July 2005, 15:22
Err no
A genuine Suzuki GP125 owners manual 1977 free to the lowest bidder
Sold! I'll give you nothing! That must be the lowest. As my bucket IS a GP125 it would come in handy
Ivan
19th July 2005, 16:41
minus 1,000,000 thats low
stanko
19th July 2005, 17:00
Well it must be yours Tony, Ivan sorry you are disqualified by not living in Chch
TonyB
19th July 2005, 17:11
Well it must be yours Tony, Ivan sorry you are disqualified by not living in Chch
Kewl- thanks stanko! When can I pick it up?
Perhaps with THIS book I can rule the bucket world? Ah yes, proper cluth free play, Valentinos true racing secret...
Pickle
19th July 2005, 17:52
You lot are REALLY SAD, just go get an old bike say something like a CB125twin race it, not fast but if anyone gets in your way just run them over.
Stop all the talking and get out there and ride stop spending money and learn to ride the things first :ride: If you are new to bucket racing keep it simple and give yourself time to learn you are not going to win first time out as there are some guys racing that are very fast - F5 Dave, Fish, Speedpro, Jim Steadman to name a few.
CB 125 twins used to rule, race , crash all day long.
Sadly I think the spirit of bucket racing moved on when people decided to start using genuine Grand Prix rolling chassis' etc. Sure its technically in the rules, but, when I started racing buckets it was about building your own chassis and performance parts. Good luck to those who have managed to sort a similiar spec bike, no hard feelings, its all legal, but I can recall driving over to Woodbourne and gazing at awe at the latest creation sponsered by RNZAF funding as it was wheeled out of an aircraft hanger! Fancy frames, monoshocks, water cooling, all pretty trick stuff made on base. :clap:
Really though, shouldnt Honda NZ have CBR125's and 150's for sale here?
out of interest, anyone know who was the first to front up with a Grand Prix (RS/TZ) framed bucket bike?
Kickaha
19th July 2005, 20:13
Sadly it looks as though Gav will rule the bucket world with his devious plan to import exotic racing machinery :(
Maybe,although even with one of those I think a few of us will have a power to weight advantage over Gav :whistle:
HEY DICKAHA!! umm, sadly this I cannot deny, however its just means you will have to take an extra w i d e line to get around me! :motu:
speights_bud
19th July 2005, 21:26
Bit against the spirit of bucketing, isn't it?
I agree, Buckets being deemed 'Buckets' of S#!*@, not a few grand of imported race bikes!
Exotic racing or not it comes down to the rider. My piece of shit will get whelled out the trailor everyone will laugh every one will be drolling over Gav's bike and I am going to fly past
Too true, This happened to me at the last bucket races i went to. The-bloke-with-the-mullet thought the old A100 was a bit out of its depth. (seeing he had a GSX-R 400 frame with a 145cc engine fitted) But the old bucket of shite A100 started first time every time and won 3/4 races. Mr Mullet was mumbling about timing or something at the end of the day.... :motu:
Kickaha
19th July 2005, 21:38
HEY DICKAHA!! umm, sadly this I cannot deny, however its just means you will have to take an extra w i d e line to get around me! :motu:
W i d e line hmmmmmm I think we'll need to get some passing lanes put in :yes:
I agree, Buckets being deemed 'Buckets' of S#!*@, not a few grand of imported race bikes!
You'd be a brave boy calling this a bucket of sh!t.....
Its immaculate, but so are all his bikes :clap:
Ivan
19th July 2005, 22:53
Well theres no bucket racing on right now so in the mean time lets talk about it :weird:
Ivan
19th July 2005, 22:55
out of interest, anyone know who was the first to front up with a Grand Prix (RS/TZ) framed bucket bike?
Jay Lawrence in 2003 pre his 125GP racing
Ivan
19th July 2005, 22:57
I will post a pick of my new bucket tommorow if I get a chance
so for now droll over this my current bucket
remember photo is copyright NZMCNEWS
nzmcn.tripod.com
speedpro
19th July 2005, 23:34
Originally Posted by gav
out of interest, anyone know who was the first to front up with a Grand Prix (RS/TZ) framed bucket bike?
Jay Lawrence in 2003 pre his 125GP racing
Actually Jason Ulyatt was at least a few years before that - RS125 chassis and KE125 bottom end/RG400 barrel hybrid.
As for RS type chassis' not being in the spirit, that's only part correct. I was looking to upgrade my buckets handling and it was going to cost me more for useable suspension bits than what I paid for the whole RS rolling chassis.
Ivan
20th July 2005, 12:18
Wat about this for a bucket
TonyB
20th July 2005, 12:43
I will post a pick of my new bucket tommorow if I get a chance
so for now droll over this my current bucket
remember photo is copyright NZMCNEWS
nzmcn.tripod.com
It's in the Photo Album page I guess- but which one?
Kickaha
20th July 2005, 14:21
Well if you scroll down a bit you can see F5dave falling on his arse :rofl:
http://nzmcn.tripod.com/id2.html
TonyB
20th July 2005, 14:33
Well if you scroll down a bit you can see F5dave falling on his arse :rofl:
http://nzmcn.tripod.com/id2.html
Saw that, but I'm far too polite to bring it up in public :whistle:
speights_bud
20th July 2005, 20:29
You'd be a brave boy calling this a bucket of sh!t.....
Its immaculate, but so are all his bikes :clap:
sheesh thats not looking to bad for a bucket! guess us fulla's in Hawke's Bay are just too bloody rugged<_<
You'd be a brave boy calling this a bucket of sh!t.....
Its immaculate, but so are all his bikes :clap:
You're dead right about that, although that photo just doesn't do it justice.
stanko
21st July 2005, 18:55
So back to the topic Building Buckets, Err well I just bought mine, in a perfect world Id like to build one, but then Ill be about 70 when I get on the track. It needs some love and its only a 50, so we will see how it goes in a few weeks.
Should be on the truck tomorrow. I know it not the same as carving one out of a block of steel or transplanting bits from 50 different bikes. Ill start work on one of those at christmas. Pass me at the track
mike
Ivan
21st July 2005, 19:28
My dad used to own one he only just sold it they are a good bike very snappy but rely on the power band alot and perfect gear change also you need to be somewhere from 65 kg on for it to perform properly im 52kg and the front end sag and the bank end slide around but other than that nice bike
Bren_chch
21st July 2005, 20:09
So back to the topic Building Buckets, Err well I just bought mine, in a perfect world Id like to build one, but then Ill be about 70 when I get on the track. It needs some love and its only a 50, so we will see how it goes in a few weeks.
Should be on the truck tomorrow. I know it not the same as carving one out of a block of steel or transplanting bits from 50 different bikes. Ill start work on one of those at christmas. Pass me at the track
mike
Thats gana be cool, good score!! :ride:
TonyB
21st July 2005, 20:30
So back to the topic Building Buckets, Err well I just bought mine, in a perfect world Id like to build one, but then Ill be about 70 when I get on the track. It needs some love and its only a 50, so we will see how it goes in a few weeks.
Should be on the truck tomorrow. I know it not the same as carving one out of a block of steel or transplanting bits from 50 different bikes. Ill start work on one of those at christmas. Pass me at the track
mike
Look at that bloody thing! Bet it handles well.... thank god it's only a 50 :whistle:
sheesh thats not looking to bad for a bucket! guess us fulla's in Hawke's Bay are just too bloody rugged<_<
I reckon...Bloody east coasters with their shitty old 2-stroke hundy's and fiddy's. We need to keep up with the times now Pat, don't we?
Ivan
21st July 2005, 21:36
Look at that bloody thing! Bet it handles well.... thank god it's only a 50 :whistle:
They handle allright like a rg50 but have more poke out the corners but there is an exception F5Daves RG50
speedpro
21st July 2005, 21:41
They handle allright like a rg50 but have more poke out the corners but there is an exception F5Daves RG50
There's a series of photos you can view via a link on this site which explains why you don't have to worry about F5Dave.
Ivan
21st July 2005, 22:42
Yes I know that is a friends site. That was just a bad day for Dave because any other day he is at the front winning or with Jay and Mish
F5 Dave
22nd July 2005, 09:43
. . . which explains why you don't have to worry about F5Dave.
unlike you when you start your car next.
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