Actrix Winter Series Round 6 - Taupo

[Skunk]

Now's the time to start getting your entries in for Round Six. Pre-entries close on 21st October.

We are using long track (Track 1) for all classes except Streetstock, Minilite, Prolite and F4 which will be short track (Track 2). Yes - F4. Get your Bucket entered!

Remember that this year it's a best of five rounds points: if you have done six rounds your best five count. If you have done five rounds all five count, if you have done four rounds all four count. It's all still open season in most classes!

The final round and Series Prize Giving will be held at the track after racing is finished.

Entry forms are here (http://www.vicclub.co.nz/tiki-download_file.php?fileId=66)...

Race order and classes on the Vic Club website (http://www.vicclub.co.nz/tiki-read_article.php?articleId=579)

Don't forget there is a MotoTT track day on the Friday and Post Classics Meet on Sunday with F1, 2, 3, ProTwins and BEARs support classes.

[puddy]

And the NZPCRA Meeting at Taupo on Sunday the 30th.

[Sarah311]

Now's the time to start getting your entries in for Round Six. Pre-entries close on 21st October.

We are using long track (Track 1) for all classes except Streetstock, Minilite, Prolite and F4 which will be short track (Track 2). Yes - F4. Get your Bucket entered!

Remember that this year it's a best of five rounds points: if you have done six rounds your best five count. If you have done five rounds all five count, if you have done four rounds all four count. It's all still open season in most classes!

The final round and Series Prize Giving will be held at the track after racing is finished.

Entry forms are here (http://www.vicclub.co.nz/tiki-download_file.php?fileId=66)...

Race order and classes on the Vic Club website (http://www.vicclub.co.nz/tiki-read_article.php?articleId=579)

How come streetstock et al are running track 2 and not the long track?

[Skunk]

How come streetstock et al are running track 2 and not the long track?
Because it was decided that the F4, Pro Lites and Streetstocks were better off missing the 'pin-it-till-she-blows' main straight.

[quickbuck]

Because it was decided that the F4, Pro Lites and Streetstocks were better off missing the 'pin-it-till-she-blows' main straight.
And to save me looking for a Really tall sprocket... That the poor Ninja won't be able to push with my mass on it in anycase ;)

[RobGassit]

Because it was decided that the F4, Pro Lites and Streetstocks were better off missing the 'pin-it-till-she-blows' main straight.

I don't think the straight at Taupo is particularly long. It's about perfect for a 150 or Prolite to catch a draft and overtake before the chicane. Plus that southern corner is alot of fun to get right with the closing radius. I think it would be great if all the riders in the classes effected were asked for an opinion before these decisions get made. Track 1 is a beauty and if the entry fee is the same then so should the track. :yes:

OK I'm done. Go ahead,, start throwing your rocks.:facepalm:

[CHOPPA]

I don't think the straight at Taupo is particularly long. It's about perfect for a 150 or Prolite to catch a draft and overtake before the chicane. Plus that southern corner is alot of fun to get right with the closing radius. I think it would be great if all the riders in the classes effected were asked for an opinion before these decisions get made. Track 1 is a beauty and if the entry fee is the same then so should the track. :yes:

OK I'm done. Go ahead,, start throwing your rocks.:facepalm:

Lap times would be too long

[crazy man]

Because it was decided that the F4, Pro Lites and Streetstocks were better off missing the 'pin-it-till-she-blows' main straight.is the vic club going to put a date on that new race class? 96-97 cause think the r1 in 98 or a bit over still had carbs and seems not right to let such a new type of bike in it?

[Sarah311]

Because it was decided that the F4, Pro Lites and Streetstocks were better off missing the 'pin-it-till-she-blows' main straight.

Evidently it'll be okay for them at the final round of the NZSBK Nationals though - and would've been a useful practice opportunity as it will be for all the other classes who enter, including clubmans. :shutup:

[neil_cb125t]

Lap times would be too long

yep what he said - i nearly fall asleep on the rg when im racing - can't imagine what its like watching!

[Billy]

yep what he said - i nearly fall asleep on the rg when im racing - can't imagine what its like watching!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!Well that explains why you keep crashing in to everybody else on the straights:woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo:But it doesnt explain why your going so slow!!!

[neil_cb125t]

yep i did put in some work to try and break that 1:30 barrier.......simply put i think that my 86kg arse is slowly killing the Rgs will to live. I would hate to think what tyler weighs.

if i had swerved ealier ill have a 1 point lead over tyler...... just timing :innocent:

[Billy]

yep i did put in some work to try and break that 1:30 barrier.......simply put i think that my 86kg arse is slowly killing the Rgs will to live. I would hate to think what tyler weighs.

if i had swerved ealier ill have a 1 point lead over tyler...... just timing :innocent:

LOL,If you swerved earlier you'd be in hospital you idiot:yes:

So you'll be praying for a whole wet meeting then haha ?

[J_Buell]

yep i did put in some work to try and break that 1:30 barrier.......simply put i think that my 86kg arse is slowly killing the Rgs will to live. I would hate to think what tyler weighs.

if i had swerved ealier ill have a 1 point lead over tyler...... just timing :innocent:

I'm sure this is a great way of encouraging young kids into our sport. I bet parents would be really keen on involving their kids after watching your carry on. This sport is dangerous enough as it is.

I'm sure MNZ would love to hear about this.........

[CHOPPA]

I'm sure this is a great way of encouraging young kids into our sport. I bet parents would be really keen on involving their kids after watching your carry on. This sport is dangerous enough as it is.

I'm sure MNZ would love to hear about this.........

I doubt Neil would have done anything on purpose

[RobGassit]

There won't be any chance for weaving at Taupo now that the Buckets have hijacked Streetstock and have them on track 2. What a crock!

[RDjase]

yep what he said - i nearly fall asleep on the rg when im racing - can't imagine what its like watching!

Track 1 is way to long for SS150, Don't even like it much on my Post Classic bike

Track 4 is being used forthe Nationals and some of the PMCC rounds

[Marknz]

We've never raced Taupo before... can anyone advise what the score is the garages there?

Do I need to book one for the MotoTT Day? Will it be secure enough to leave most of my gear there over the Friday night? Do I need to book another garage for the Race Day? Any other advice re Taupo much appreciated.Cheers!

[lukemillar]

We've never raced Taupo before... can anyone advise what the score is the garages there?

Do I need to book one for the MotoTT Day? Will it be secure enough to leave most of my gear there over the Friday night? Do I need to book another garage for the Race Day? Any other advice re Taupo much appreciated.Cheers!

Book directly with Taupo:
admin@tauporacetrack.co.nz

All the garages are like the schmick ones at Manfeild so will be very secure leaving your stuff there. Really cheap as well - last year it was only about $50 a day. I think I booked directly with Taupo for both the motoTT day and the race meeting the next day so I could keep the same garage.

If you're looking for people to share with then I would be up for it for the race day!

Cheers
Luke

[CHOPPA]

Oh really! Track 4 for the nationals! I really hope not! The track needs to have that one fast corner otherwise its just not flowing

[White trash]

Track 4 is being used forthe Nationals and some of the PMCC rounds

Really? That's a bit gay.

[CHOPPA]

is PMCC running the Taupo round?

[RobGassit]

is PMCC running the Taupo round?

Correctamundo! Should make F1 use the short track too. Make the pickups quicker.:innocent:

[Kiwi Graham]

is PMCC running the Taupo round?

Thats my understanding Chop

[kiwifruit]

We've never raced Taupo before... can anyone advise what the score is the garages there?

Do I need to book one for the MotoTT Day? Will it be secure enough to leave most of my gear there over the Friday night? Do I need to book another garage for the Race Day? Any other advice re Taupo much appreciated.Cheers!

As Luke said, book directly with the track. It'll be secure as for overnight storage.

[CHOPPA]

Correctamundo! Should make F1 use the short track too. Make the pickups quicker.:innocent:

I reckon I will do the long track quicker then the majority of the streetstock etc will do the short track

[Marknz]

Thanks for those responses :woohoo: email sent to cover both days, so hopefully they'll get back to me soon.

[Shorty_925]

I reckon I will do the long track quicker then the majority of the streetstock etc will do the short track

What is you best lap time around track 1?
Anyone know the track 1 bike lap record?

[gixerracer]

What is you best lap time around track 1?
Anyone know the track 1 bike lap record?

I done 1min 29.4 at the tri seireis final in 2009 on track1 which hasnt been broken to my knowledge

[Shaun]

It is only your arse that is broken dude

[RobGassit]

I reckon I will do the long track quicker then the majority of the streetstock etc will do the short track

Can you do 2 seasons on a set of tyres?

[CHOPPA]

Can you do 2 seasons on a set of tyres?

I sure could

[gixerracer]

Can you do 2 seasons on a set of tyres?

As long as we are asking STUPID questions then. Can you do 1 29 round track one at Taupo:scooter:

[Billy]

And there it is right there folks,Yet another example of the junior classes in the North Island being treated as second class citizens,Pro lite 250 is a national championship class and should be treated as such,My bet is it will be better supported this season than superbike!!!

Now why is it the bulk of the new talent is coming out of the South Island ???????

[CHOPPA]

And there it is right there folks,Yet another example of the junior classes in the North Island being treated as second class citizens,Pro lite 250 is a national championship class and should be treated as such,My bet is it will be better supported this season than superbike!!!

Now why is it the bulk of the new talent is coming out of the South Island ???????

So are they going to be doing 20 lap races at the nationals in the South Island?

[RobGassit]

Not sure how these Superbike guy's find helmets big enough for their heads. Must be custom made.

[oyster]

I can't speak for North Island experience. But in the south on our three tracks (at club events) Superbikes are 20% faster than Streetstock/Prolite/Buckets (Mylaps doesn't lie)
So it's easy, just give the Supers 6 laps and SS /Prolite/F4 5 laps and the track time is the same . Isn't that fair?
But wait, no it isn't. We have 40 plus on our grid, versus half or less of Supers. So if the club was to be fair on a "user pays" (per class) basis, they'd give the Supers 3 laps, or instead of 3 races, give them 1.5 races
Now we're getting reasonable/sensible...

[RobGassit]

Track 1 is way to long for SS150, Don't even like it much on my Post Classic bike

Track 4 is being used forthe Nationals and some of the PMCC rounds

I just don't see how you guy's can think Taupo's straight is too long? Track length is virtually the same as Manfield. Best prepare yourselves for a bit of a shock if you go south for the Nationals. Having watched the bloody fantastic Streetstock racing down on the Mainland with all the drafting and overtaking that makes this class a real riders challenge, and a tremendous way to learn the craft, I can't help but think you guy's are missing out on alot of fun. And if you run this class, why are you encouraging Superbike riders and others to marginalize a class that pays the same fees and is just getting on it's feet as a feeder for NZ Motorcycle Road Racing. Future NZ Superbike Racers are in this feeder class now. They deserve encouragement and respect.

[gixerracer]

I can't speak for North Island experience. But in the south on our three tracks (at club events) Superbikes are 20% faster than Streetstock/Prolite/Buckets (Mylaps doesn't lie)
So it's easy, just give the Supers 6 laps and SS /Prolite/F4 5 laps and the track time is the same . Isn't that fair?
But wait, no it isn't. We have 40 plus on our grid, versus half or less of Supers. So if the club was to be fair on a "user pays" (per class) basis, they'd give the Supers 3 laps, or instead of 3 races, give them 1.5 races
Now we're getting reasonable/sensible...

So Pete if I understand your way of thinking then the 125gp world championship races should be say 5 laps long and the motogp races should be around 165laps then based on your user pays calcs?:innocent:

[gixerracer]

I just don't see how you guy's can think Taupo's straight is too long? Track length is virtually the same as Manfield. Best prepare yourselves for a bit of a shock if you go south for the Nationals. Having watched the bloody fantastic Streetstock racing down on the Mainland with all the drafting and overtaking that makes this class a real riders challenge, and a tremendous way to learn the craft, I can't help but think you guy's are missing out on alot of fun. And if you run this class, why are you encouraging Superbike riders and others to marginalize a class that pays the same fees and is just getting on it's feet as a feeder for NZ Motorcycle Road Racing. Future NZ Superbike Racers are in this feeder class now. They deserve encouragement and respect.

How much track time does Dan mettam get in the Ninja 250cup thing he is doing in Europe. Not very much I think will be your answer compared to what is deemed to be the Main classes.
I raced 600ss support race at P Island motogp got one short practice one short Qualifiyng and a couple of short races for the $thousands spent I didnt complain (not much al least) I just decided it isnt worth the money and made the choice not to do that meeting anymore. If you dont like my point is dont fucken go:facepalm:

[Billy]

So are they going to be doing 20 lap races at the nationals in the South Island?



Probably not,But They will be on the same track as everybody else!!!!

[Billy]

How much track time does Dan mettam get in the Ninja 250cup thing he is doing in Europe. Not very much I think will be your answer compared to what is deemed to be the Main classes.
I raced 600ss support race at P Island motogp got one short practice one short Qualifiyng and a couple of short races for the $thousands spent I didnt complain (not much al least) I just decided it isnt worth the money and made the choice not to do that meeting anymore. If you dont like my point is dont fucken go:facepalm:

Err,Think you missed the point there young fella,Prolite/streetstock/minilite are on track 2 and the rest are on track 1 for round 6

[CHOPPA]

I figured they made the decision due to a time factor, I reckon track 2 on a small bike would be heaps better? Id rather do 4 laps of track 2 then 2 laps of track 1 surely???

[RDjase]

I just don't see how you guy's can think Taupo's straight is too long? Track length is virtually the same as Manfield. Best prepare yourselves for a bit of a shock if you go south for the Nationals. Having watched the bloody fantastic Streetstock racing down on the Mainland with all the drafting and overtaking that makes this class a real riders challenge, and a tremendous way to learn the craft, I can't help but think you guy's are missing out on alot of fun. And if you run this class, why are you encouraging Superbike riders and others to marginalize a class that pays the same fees and is just getting on it's feet as a feeder for NZ Motorcycle Road Racing. Future NZ Superbike Racers are in this feeder class now. They deserve encouragement and respect.

Its not my decision about Track 1 or 2 for Vicclub rounds Rob.

SS150 lap times at 3.3km Taupo long track are 1.57 (Andy Croft at PMCC rd3, Tyler did a 2.07 on his FXR150) and 3.0km Manfeild are 1.29ish.

30 second ish longer lap times.

Would still rather do more laps on Track 2 than less on track 1 and you still have half the long straight and the start/finish straight for drafting


Best prepare yourselves for a bit of a shock if you go south for the Nationals

What has the Vic Club final got to do with the Nats?

[Billy]

Its not my decision about Track 1 or 2 for Vicclub rounds Rob.

SS150 lap times at 3.3km Taupo long track are 1.57 (Andy Croft at PMCC rd3, Tyler did a 2.07 on his FXR150) and 3.0km Manfeild are 1.29ish.

30 second ish longer lap times.

Would still rather do more laps on Track 2 than less on track 1 and you still have half the long straight and the start/finish straight for drafting

Wrong!!lap record at manfeild is in 1.25 sec bracket,What has laptimes at different tracks got to do with it????Example levels the lap record is around 1.17 as opposed to Ruapuna where its around 1.52ish and yet the streestock machines use the same track as everybody else

What has the Vic Club final got to do with the Nats?

It would be a good opportunity for those competing at the National to begin setting their bikes up if they are all allowed to use the long track,Unless Nigel has plans to use track 2 for the Prolite class then as well

[CHOPPA]

It would be a good opportunity for those competing at the National to begin setting their bikes up if they are all allowed to use the long track,Unless Nigel has plans to use track 2 for the Prolite class then as well

hmm this is a good point! I was hoping we would be riding the same track as the nats but we could both be in trouble if they use track 4

[RobGassit]

Its not my decision about Track 1 or 2 for Vicclub rounds Rob.

SS150 lap times at 3.3km Taupo long track are 1.57 (Andy Croft at PMCC rd3, Tyler did a 2.07 on his FXR150) and 3.0km Manfeild are 1.29ish.

30 second ish longer lap times.

Would still rather do more laps on Track 2 than less on track 1 and you still have half the long straight and the start/finish straight for drafting



What has the Vic Club final got to do with the Nats?

Sorry Jase, I thought you were doing the Nats with Tyler this year. Those that are will need to be prepared for long straights with jetting and gearing etc. The chance to test at Taupo at Rnd 6 for the Nats next year would be sweet too. It hasn't been explained but if you read the Vic Club home page encouraging F4 to come to Taupo, I can't help but assume that all Streetstock have to run Track 2 so the Buckets can have a yippee. This round was advertised as being Track 1 from the start of the series for all classes. Now, at a whim and with no consultation I'm aware of, the track has been changed. I love the buckets, and I was all for running fast F4 in the Streetstock, but not at the expense of the three classes already committed to competition in that class. Hey, If the majority of the Streetstock Riders think it's better, that's fair enough. Just looking for a fair playing field. The suggestion from some that if we don't like it we should just Phuck Off is not particularly helpful.

[CHOPPA]

The suggestion from some that if we don't like it we should just Phuck Off is not particularly helpful.

It is KB after all mate!

[gixerracer]

Sorry Jase, I thought you were doing the Nats with Tyler this year. Those that are will need to be prepared for long straights with jetting and gearing etc. The chance to test at Taupo at Rnd 6 for the Nats next year would be sweet too. It hasn't been explained but if you read the Vic Club home page encouraging F4 to come to Taupo, I can't help but assume that all Streetstock have to run Track 2 so the Buckets can have a yippee. This round was advertised as being Track 1 from the start of the series for all classes. Now, at a whim and with no consultation I'm aware of, the track has been changed. I love the buckets, and I was all for running fast F4 in the Streetstock, but not at the expense of the three classes already committed to competition in that class. Hey, If the majority of the Streetstock Riders think it's better, that's fair enough. Just looking for a fair playing field. The suggestion from some that if we don't like it we should just Phuck Off is not particularly helpful.

Hahahah another one on KB that cant read or reads things the way he wants (must be scrivys mate).
I said if you dont like dont fucken go no one told you Phuck off, I raced the IOMTT and didnt agree with it so now I dont go or as you would put it they told me to Phuck off

[gixerracer]

It would be a good opportunity for those competing at the National to begin setting their bikes up if they are all allowed to use the long track,Unless Nigel has plans to use track 2 for the Prolite class then as well

I dont think setting your bike up 5 months before the meeting is a good idea, esp a horrible 2 strok thing. Im just saying:blink:

[Billy]

I dont think setting your bike up 5 months before the meeting is a good idea, esp a horrible 2 strok thing. Im just saying:blink:

You really arent up with the play young fella are you??Theres NO 2 strokes in the Prolite class,But it would be a good opportunity to sort gearing and learn the track for those that havent been there before!

[RDjase]

Sorry Jase, I thought you were doing the Nats with Tyler this year. Those that are will need to be prepared for long straights with jetting and gearing etc. The chance to test at Taupo at Rnd 6 for the Nats next year would be sweet too. It hasn't been explained but if you read the Vic Club home page encouraging F4 to come to Taupo, I can't help but assume that all Streetstock have to run Track 2 so the Buckets can have a yippee. This round was advertised as being Track 1 from the start of the series for all classes. Now, at a whim and with no consultation I'm aware of, the track has been changed. I love the buckets, and I was all for running fast F4 in the Streetstock, but not at the expense of the three classes already committed to competition in that class. Hey, If the majority of the Streetstock Riders think it's better, that's fair enough. Just looking for a fair playing field. The suggestion from some that if we don't like it we should just Phuck Off is not particularly helpful.

Yep. Tyler is doing the Nats.

29th Oct, Vic Final Taupo, Track 2 (Prolite, Streetstock150, Minilite and F4 on track2, Other classes on track 1)

6th Nov, Bucket GP and a Trackday, Taupo Track 3 (trackday on the KR150)

13th Nov, PMCC Rd1, Taupo Track 1

PMCC have got a there Rd3 meeting on 12th Feb on Track 4 and a track day the day before. 6 weeks before the Taupo Nats round. Good chance to have a practice/race/Jetting, gearing before the Nats

[wharfy]

The VMCC Vice President Racing is charged with organizing the racing and has gone to a great deal of effort to ensure that is as economical and equitable as possible given the wide range of machinery, experience and talent that normally turns out for the VMCC Winter series.

Remember this is primarily a CLUB series for CLUB racers - It is often used by National level racers to do testing/setup etc. BUT THAT IS NOT WHY IT IS RUN. It is supposed to provide some fun over the winter for us lower order adrenaline junkies.

[Billy]

The VMCC Vice President Racing is charged with organizing the racing and has gone to a great deal of effort to ensure that is as economical and equitable as possible given the wide range of machinery, experience and talent that normally turns out for the VMCC Winter series.

Remember this is primarily a CLUB series for CLUB racers - It is often used by National level racers to do testing/setup etc. BUT THAT IS NOT WHY IT IS RUN. It is supposed to provide some fun over the winter for us lower order adrenaline junkies.

Yip,Well said and Skunk and Leigh have done an awesome job of organizing and running the series to date,However,A bit of discussion with the competitors in the affected class would have gone a long way towards avoiding any conflict and you have to admit,It does look like the buckets that are not normally part of the series have been given preference over the other 3 classes involved.Not getting at anyone,Just saying.....

[Skunk]

Just to clarify some of the incorrect information being posted here:

Taupo was Track 2 at the start of the season for all classes. See the early round programmes and the original entry form. Track 1 came as a bonus in August. I decided - in discussion with the committee - to leave the smaller bikes on Track 2 as we believe the racing will be better. After this decision was announced I was approached by some F4 riders to see if they could join the racing. I agreed. There was no intention to treat the smaller bikes as 'second class citizens' - the opposite was the intention. Part of this choice was in following the format of the TRRS Scrivy and co ran. It seemed to work well.

Personally I can't see the point in revving a small bike to it's redline/limit and holding it there on the long straight. That's a different class of racing called drag racing. I think circuit racing is more about the corners which is way I don't rate Manfeild for small bikes. Three drag strips connected by bends.

While I have an interest in F4/F5 (the last of the Formula classes in the MNZ rulebook) my main interest is in big fields and good racing.

So far I see two who disagree with this decision but neither have approached me in person or by email. Vic Club affairs are not run on Kiwibiker - Kiwibiker is not a communication tool to talk to Vic Club. Vic Club has a website (which, by the way, has a questionnaire on it for logged in members - with one reply in 9 months!).

If you have something to suggest I think you should talk to the Vic Club not the internet. No one can hear you talk on the internet (to paraphrase a movie byline).

[Billy]

Just to clarify some of the incorrect information being posted here:

Taupo was Track 2 at the start of the season for all classes. See the early round programmes and the original entry form. Track 1 came as a bonus in August. I decided - in discussion with the committee - to leave the smaller bikes on Track 2 as we believe the racing will be better. After this decision was announced I was approached by some F4 riders to see if they could join the racing. I agreed. There was no intention to treat the smaller bikes as 'second class citizens' - the opposite was the intention. Part of this choice was in following the format of the TRRS Scrivy and co ran. It seemed to work well.

Personally I can't see the point in revving a small bike to it's redline/limit and holding it there on the long straight. That's a different class of racing called drag racing. I think circuit racing is more about the corners which is way I don't rate Manfeild for small bikes. Three drag strips connected by bends.

While I have an interest in F4/F5 (the last of the Formula classes in the MNZ rulebook) my main interest is in big fields and good racing.

So far I see two who disagree with this decision but neither have approached me in person or by email. Vic Club affairs are not run on Kiwibiker - Kiwibiker is not a communication tool to talk to Vic Club. Vic Club has a website (which, by the way, has a questionnaire on it for logged in members - with one reply in 9 months!).

If you have something to suggest I think you should talk to the Vic Club not the internet. No one can hear you talk on the internet (to paraphrase a movie byline).

Firstly Skunk,KB is an open forum where everybody is entitled too air their opinions whether they be right or wrong,It has existed long before you became a club official and Im sure you were aware of the critcisms that have been made on here in the past and you would have been foolish to think you were going to avoid them!

So far as this years series has gone I have already stated on this site,That you and Leigh had done an excellent job,However,If you thought it was important enough to discuss the use of track 2 for the smaller class with the commitee,Then surely the riders concerned should have been afforded an opinion???

As you have stated in your post above"you cant see the point in holding a small bike at redline for a long period"This would have been an ideal opportunity for the Prolite competitors which by the way is National senior championship class and anybody running a streetstock 150 machine at the National points round next year to get an idea of what gearing they will be needing for track 1,Some of these machines do not have enough alternative external gearing available through the motorcycle industry and will need to have an idea what blanks they will need to purchase and have machined too suit,All of this as Im sure your aware takes time and cannot be done during a race weekend.

As far as posting on KB not having any effect on the running of meetings goes,I have seen a past president of your club ask for input on this very site and finish the thread off with "thanks for your input,I will take that back to the commitee for consideration",On the subject of second class citizens,Which other class outside of motards and buckets has been run on a different track than everybody else without consultation with the competitors??? Since I took an interest in the junior streetstock riders in the Actrix series as far back as when the late Derek Hill was president,The juniors have only ever been treated with disregard with the token gesture of a couple of badly prepared and illegal scholarship machines to the point that some of the junior riders attended only one or two actrix series meetings and then after seeing the way they were treated,Packed up their gear and have since left their bikes in Chch,Where they fly in and out to get the training and tracktime they need to progress,Or left the sport altogether.To quote you,When I pressed you for an answer to the junior program I had planned for the Actrix series in 2010,Your reply was "I dont see that its our job to teach people to race motorcycles,We are here to run meetings"

[RobGassit]

So far I see two who disagree with this decision but neither have approached me in person or by email. Vic Club affairs are not run on Kiwibiker - Kiwibiker is not a communication tool to talk to Vic Club. Vic Club has a website (which, by the way, has a questionnaire on it for logged in members - with one reply in 9 months!).

If you have something to suggest I think you should talk to the Vic Club not the internet. No one can hear you talk on the internet (to paraphrase a movie byline).

Firstly Skunk I must say that you and the team have my full admiration and that the series so far is a credit to your hard work and dedication.
Please remember however, that you started this thread. You used this format to announce the next round, and so you obviously recognize Kiwibiker is a very useful format for announcements to reach alot of motorcyclists.Included in your post was the bombshell for some of using Track2 for Streetstock.
Kiwibiker IS an OPEN forum and like it or not Vic Club members like using it to exchange information and it is therefore a better way for interested club members to discuss issues than a closed e-mail system. As a Vic Club member and a Kiwibiker member I respectfully retain my right to comment on and invite any and all feedback to any discussion point that might arise. It may well be that most Streetstock competitors are quite happy with Track2, as has been expressed on this thread. That's fine by me but at least we have had a chance to discuss it. If support was obtained for a particular point of view then that would be worthy of approaching you directly. However, as you started the thread, and obviously monitor it, you are able to witness any discussion at the coalface. A perfect way I would suggest, to maintain a feel for the mood of Vic Club members you represent.

Thank you for coming back on your thread and explaining how the decisions were made.

[oyster]

Yep, I'm from the south, not a Vic club member and I'm not riding Taupo so tell me to "butt off"
But all credit to Skunk for bringing F4 into mainstream RR meetings. Here we have had Streetstock, F4 and Prolite mixed together on a common grid, on a full track for some time. And it works great. Not to mention it's great for the club. Grids of 40 plus
developing riders (many of them) many of whom will fill the future senior class grids.
Good for the bank balance, good for the sport's future.
The idea they blow up on big tracks is crap. I was on the grid with 43 others the other day for a 6 lap race. They all came back to the pits after the race no problem.
And they belong together, laps times are only a second apart. Streetstock, Buckets then the old Prolite diesels. (Yes, the current champion's times have been bettered by F4)
All good, well done Skunk. If you promote this class mix in that format thru next year you will get great benefits for your club.

[GirrlRacer]

I would have liked to do track 1 for SS150 as it would have been good to really test the bikes at their top top speed down the big straight, but saying that by doing track 2 the racing will be closer and more exciting. At the end of the day Im just happy to be racing and out there.

Just thought I would add my 5 cents worth.

[Skunk]

Firstly Skunk,KB is an open forum where everybody is entitled too air their opinions.
True. My point was that if you want the club to consider things you must direct them to the club.


However,If you thought it was important enough to discuss the use of track 2 for the smaller class with the commitee,Then surely the riders concerned should have been afforded an opinion?My role in the club is to organise the racing. That I have done. I did take this to committee - true. Take it how you will; but I'm not making every decision I make based on what the vocal ones say. I felt, and still believe, that for the majority of the competitors in that grid that Track 2 is the best track for them.


As you have stated in your post above"you cant see the point in holding a small bike at redline for a long period"This would have been an ideal opportunity for the Prolite competitors which by the way is National senior championship class and anybody running a streetstock 150 machine at the National points round next year to get an idea of what gearing they will be needing for track 1,Some of these machines do not have enough alternative external gearing available through the motorcycle industry and will need to have an idea what blanks they will need to purchase and have machined too suit,All of this as Im sure your aware takes time and cannot be done during a race weekend.Vic Club is NOT running a pre-Nationals shakedown. We are running the Actrix Winter Series.


As far as posting on KB not having any effect on the running of meetings goes,I have seen a past president of your club ask for input on this very site and finish the thread off with "thanks for your input,I will take that back to the commitee for consideration"I'm not the President and I haven't asked for input here. I have asked for input direct to the club though...

The juniors have only ever been treated with disregard with the token gesture of a couple of badly prepared and illegal scholarship machines to the point that some of the junior riders attended only one or two actrix series meetings and then after seeing the way they were treatedTrue. Guess why I suggested we get rid of those bikes and hire yours? I don't treat Streetstocks any different to the other classes. If I believed the racing and skill use would be better on Track 1 I would have run them there.

When I pressed you for an answer to the junior program I had planned for the Actrix series in 2010,Your reply was "I dont see that its our job to teach people to race motorcycles,We are here to run meetings"True, but that is not the full context of the conversation now was it? The Vic Club's job AT THE WINTER SERIES is not PRIMARILY to teach people how to race. This statement did not apply only to Streetstocks or 'small' bikes either did it? The scholarship programme is important and must be done right. It is not, however, the reason we run the Winter Series.


You used this format to announce the next round, and so you obviously recognize Kiwibiker is a very useful format for announcements to reach alot of motorcyclists.Included in your post was the bombshell for some of using Track2 for Streetstock.Yes, ANNOUNCE is what I did. Bombshell? No, Taupo had always been Track 2. No bombshell there. The bombshell was using Track 1 for the other classes. That came about because Taupo came up with a good deal on the track hire for that track. There is no way I would EVER treat 'small bikes' as second class. I love two strokes and under 250cc machines. I honestly believe the decision I made at the time was the right one. I don't recall any opposing voice at the committee. If I had believed Track 1 was better that's what I would have done.
Think of it this way: If I could only get Track 2 and was only concerned with the 'big boys' why would I have even booked Taupo? I did it because I saw it as ideal for the 'small bikes'. An opportunity for them. Was I wrong? Apparently.

Kiwibiker IS an OPEN forum and like it or not Vic Club members like using it to exchange information and it is therefore a better way for interested club members to discuss issues than a closed e-mail system. As a Vic Club member and a Kiwibiker member I respectfully retain my right to comment on and invite any and all feedback to any discussion point that might arise. It may well be that most Streetstock competitors are quite happy with Track2, as has been expressed on this thread. That's fine by me but at least we have had a chance to discuss it. If support was obtained for a particular point of view then that would be worthy of approaching you directly. However, as you started the thread, and obviously monitor it, you are able to witness any discussion at the coalface. A perfect way I would suggest, to maintain a feel for the mood of Vic Club members you represent.I don't monitor it. This discussion was brought to my attention by an email to me at Vic Club! If there were concerns or suggestions brought earlier I may have had time to change things or get a feel. I believe time now is too short.

Don't get me wrong. I have read and taken in what you have said. We have a round on the calendar at Taupo for next year dependant on how this one goes. Maybe it'll be different. Is there anyone who wants my job at Vic Club? AGM coming up...

I would however ask that if you have a suggestion or an idea - please; direct it to the club. And if you are only seeing what others think start another thread to do it. Just asking...

[Shorty_925]

Weather looking good for the weekend:

Saturday
29 Oct
Partly cloudy

Max 17°C
MIN 10°C

Long sunny spells. Light winds.

[NAR RG500]

Weather looking good for the weekend:

Saturday
29 Oct
Partly cloudy

Max 17°C
MIN 10°C

Long sunny spells. Light winds.



Yes that will be after the fog lifts around lunch time! :sunny:

[RDjase]

Is camping available on Friday Night?

[crazy man]

have fun there guys the bank wont let me race

[et al]

Is camping available on Friday Night?

At last Manfeild meeting I heard camping is not allowed on site at Taupo Track anymore, because some four wheeler boys had played up and Taupo management had banned overnight stays because of that. Apparently camping is available over near the old Track Clubrooms - I am not sure exactly where that is, or what facilities are available there but I plan on checking that out tommorrow as I plan on staying somehwere overnight in the Hiace Hotel.

[bluninja]

What time does the racing start? And will there be any food on sale there?

Looked at the Vic club site....practice and 16 races, but no approximate timetable I could see.

[Biggles08]

great day racing in the rain :yes: I'm now just praying that this season of the Nats is all wet! hehe

Thanks to the VMCC club / Marshall's for a good fun day at the race track! Its good to be back!!!

[Sarah311]

Another sucessful season of racing completed by VMCC, well done and thank you to all the flaggies and marshalls who make it all possible, and to the VMCC peeps on the day who also make it all happen seemlessly. :woohoo::niceone: