Hayabusa genuine top speed?

[Edbear]

I've been wasting a bit of time watching video of the Bus and one of the latest on the 2011 model showed him clocking the speedo at 185mph, changing into 6th and watching the revs increase to 11,000rpm, which of course means he was still increasing speed. I thought they were all speed restricted to 300km/h, or 186mph and was wondering about how much speedo error was involved. Has anyone worked out mathematically, the top speed at max revs?

I don't know the gearing ratio or the formula to work it out. :facepalm:

[slofox]

I've been wasting a bit of time watching video of the Bus and one of the latest on the 2011 model showed him clocking the speedo at 185mph, changing into 6th and watching the revs increase to 11,000rpm, which of course means he was still increasing speed. I thought they were all speed restricted to 300km/h, or 186mph and was wondering about how much speedo error was involved. Has anyone worked out mathematically, the top speed at max revs?

I don't know the gearing ratio or the formula to work it out. :facepalm:

You need gear ratio and wheel diameter to work it out. Plus an estimate of slippage at the back wheel (hard to get accurate).

[Edbear]

Found this on the 2011 model.
Primary reduction ratio: 1,596 (83/52)
Gear Ratio:

•Low: 2,615 (34/13)
•2nd: 1937 (31/16)
•3rd: 1526 (29/19)
•4th: 1285 (27/21)
•5th: 1136 (25/22)
•Maximum: 1,043 (24/23)
Final reduction ratio: 2,388 (43/18)

Wotsitmean..?

[slofox]

Found this on the 2011 model.
Primary reduction ratio: 1,596 (83/52)
Gear Ratio:

•Low: 2,615 (34/13)
•2nd: 1937 (31/16)
•3rd: 1526 (29/19)
•4th: 1285 (27/21)
•5th: 1136 (25/22)
•Maximum: 1,043 (24/23)
Final reduction ratio: 2,388 (43/18)

Wotsitmean..?

In the olden days we used x:1 ratios...

[Edbear]

And this is the rear tyre size.
Rear tire size: 190/50 ZR 17 M / C (73 W), tubeless

[Edbear]

Hmmmm.... I think I have not done this quite right...

http://www.apexgarage.com/tech/gear_ratios.shtml

325mph doesn't seem correct. I entered 11,000rpm, OD of 24.72in for the tyre and used the figures as if they were 1.043 6th gear ratio, and 2.388 as final drive.

[Gremlin]

Initially, I thought the wizard was shit... I got most gears as 0, and 6th as 1...

More playing, and changing the wheel to 17, I got 357kph...

No wonder I don't have one :blink:

[Edbear]

Initially, I thought the wizard was shit... I got most gears as 0, and 6th as 1...

More playing, and changing the wheel to 17, I got 357kph...

No wonder I don't have one :blink:

Das' funny, what did you enter?

[Edbear]

Oh, I thought they wanted OD for the tyre, not wheel diameter. :facepalm:

[YellowDog]

When I was in the UK, within a month of a new model being launched, there would be a derestriction service being advertised.

357kph is a little faster than I would want to travel in/on any non-airborne craft :no:

[DEATH_INC.]

Hmmmm.... I think I have not done this quite right...

http://www.apexgarage.com/tech/gear_ratios.shtml

325mph doesn't seem correct. I entered 11,000rpm, OD of 24.72in for the tyre and used the figures as if they were 1.043 6th gear ratio, and 2.388 as final drive.

You're missing the primary reduction ratio.... (edit: maybe not....)

[DEATH_INC.]

I get 220.8mph (or 353kph),calculating it the old fashioned way, using your measurements. Not a chance that they're that fast.

[kiwifruit]

In 2008 I did a few runs at a timed flying 1/4 mile event on a 2004 busa with pipes, power commander and filter. Stock gearing. I was 88kg in my gear at that time.

At a whisker off redline in top (11,000) it was indicating between 340 and 350. Actual speed was 299kmh if I recall correctly. May have been 297.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JeO2Br6iMRg

[scumdog]

Ghost rider (or whatever his name is/was) was getting 299kph out of his all the time...

[Edbear]

I get 220.8mph (or 353kph),calculating it the old fashioned way, using your measurements. Not a chance that they're that fast.

Well the rev counter was on 11,000, so I would expect that to be reasonably accurate and this is the stock gearing from the spec sheet...

The original '99 unrestricted version with 155hp was clocked at Avalon airstrip in Aus at 311km/h, the '08 onwards versions have 175hp. This partiucular bike must have been deresricted from the 186mph limiter.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQd1ffDsJsc

[avgas]

Dunno about the Busa - I got told it was the first bike to exceed 300kph.
I recall also that it beat the Blackbird (its direct competition) which only scraped the 200mph.

The blackbird and the Jag XJ220 did a shootout many moons ago (96?), and it was found the XJ220 could hit 220mph but the problem was there was no flat space on the planet where it would get past 198mph. Where as the Blackbird could scrape pass 201mph.

[Jantar]

In 2008 I did a few runs at a timed flying 1/4 mile event on a 2004 busa with pipes, power commander and filter. Stock gearing. I was 88kg in my gear at that time.

At a whisker off redline in top (11,000) it was indicating between 340 and 350. Actual speed was 299kmh if I recall correctly. May have been 297.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JeO2Br6iMRg
Paul Hinton from Alexandra also did a 299kmh flying quater on a 2004 Busa. Sounds like he had the same setup as yours with power commander etc. He was gutted that a kwaka clocked 301 kmh.

[Edbear]

Seems the new model is stronger again, with now 197hp.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQz9B4GcLr4&feature=related

[tigertim20]

at those kind of speeds, surely the aerodynamics tell more than the outright horseponies

[raziel1983]

Dunno about the Busa - I got told it was the first bike to exceed 300kph.
I recall also that it beat the Blackbird (its direct competition) which only scraped the 200mph.

The blackbird and the Jag XJ220 did a shootout many moons ago (96?), and it was found the XJ220 could hit 220mph but the problem was there was no flat space on the planet where it would get past 198mph. Where as the Blackbird could scrape pass 201mph.

Reasonably sure the Bird can't/couldn't hit 200mph...? They only poked out about 135-140 at the wheel.

[Ender EnZed]

Dunno about the Busa - I got told it was the first bike to exceed 300kph.
I recall also that it beat the Blackbird (its direct competition) which only scraped the 200mph.

200mph is 322km/h.


Has anyone worked out mathematically, the top speed at max revs?

I don't know the gearing ratio or the formula to work it out. :facepalm:

Gearing Commander (http://www.gearingcommander.com/) suggests 324km/h at 11000rpm in 6th which sounds about right.

[JimO]

Ghost rider (or whatever his name is/was) was getting 299kph out of his all the time...

and that was in 1st gear

[Edbear]

200mph is 322km/h.

Gearing Commander (http://www.gearingcommander.com/) suggests 324km/h at 11000rpm in 6th which sounds about right.

Which would indicate this bike was derestricted. Are they still restricting them at the factory or have they stopped the "gentleman's agreement"?

[Ender EnZed]

Which would indicate this bike was derestricted. Are they still restricting them at the factory or have they stopped the "gentleman's agreement"?

I'm pretty sure they're still restricting them. There'd be way more hype around bikes like the new ZZR14 being released if there was a "Fastest Production Bike" crown available.

[Edbear]

I'm pretty sure they're still restricting them. There'd be way more hype around bikes like the new ZZR14 being released if there was a "Fastest Production Bike" crown available.

That's what I thought. I saw another video where the BMW S1000RR won a top speed test. I thought it was dumb to even try it if the Busa and 14 were restricted... :weird:

[sinned]

I understand the limiter is at 299 on all except the first ones produced. Never seen that speed myself except on a train - evidenced by 298km/hr on GPS.

[LBD]

247490 no speedo error here....

[tigertim20]

Which would indicate this bike was derestricted. Are they still restricting them at the factory or have they stopped the "gentleman's agreement"?

My understanding of the "gentleman's agreement" was more that they would no longer actively advertise theirs as being the fastest, and would start limiting the readout of the speedo, not the actual performance.

Doesnt make a whole lot of financial sense to build an engine on a performance vehicle, then choke the fuckin thing half to death before selling it. It would be more economical to simply build it to a lower spec in the first place.

[Edbear]

My understanding of the "gentleman's agreement" was more that they would no longer actively advertise theirs as being the fastest, and would start limiting the readout of the speedo, not the actual performance.

Doesnt make a whole lot of financial sense to build an engine on a performance vehicle, then choke the fuckin thing half to death before selling it. It would be more economical to simply build it to a lower spec in the first place.

My sentiments, too. While I may never ride at full speed, it is simply the principle of it. I just don't think any vehicle should be artificially restricted.

[Deano]

Here are some results from Cliff Hanger 1/4 mile flying sprint (about 2.2k run up) These are actual speeds, not speedo readings.

Dean Van Ingen 2005 Suzuki Hayabusa 1300 318.91
Daryl Archer 2008 Suzuki Hayabusa 1340 296.13
Stephen Rigg 2008 Suzuki Hyabusa 1340 293.50
Malcolm Breadmore 2006 Suzuki GSXR 1300 (N2O?) 313.57
Kevin Ure 2004 Suzuki Hayabusa 281.83
Martin Peck 2006 Suzuki Hayabusa 267.51
Peter Harkess 2004 Suzuki Hayabusa 293.87
Kevin Ure 2007 Suzuki B-King 1340 262.71
Dean Van Ingen 2005 Suzuki Hayabusa Turbo 314.06
Dean Veale 2000 Suzuki Hayabusa 1507cc 328.49
Malcolm Breadmore 2006 Suzuki Hayabusa (N2O?) 321.13

[Edbear]

at those kind of speeds, surely the aerodynamics tell more than the outright horseponies

That was the whole reason for the design of the bike in the beginning.


Here are some results from Cliff Hanger 1/4 mile flying sprint (about 2.2k run up) These are actual speeds, not speedo readings.

Dean Van Ingen 2005 Suzuki Hayabusa 1300 318.91
Daryl Archer 2008 Suzuki Hayabusa 1340 296.13
Stephen Rigg 2008 Suzuki Hyabusa 1340 293.50
Malcolm Breadmore 2006 Suzuki GSXR 1300 (N2O?) 313.57
Kevin Ure 2004 Suzuki Hayabusa 281.83
Martin Peck 2006 Suzuki Hayabusa 267.51
Peter Harkess 2004 Suzuki Hayabusa 293.87
Kevin Ure 2007 Suzuki B-King 1340 262.71
Dean Van Ingen 2005 Suzuki Hayabusa Turbo 314.06
Dean Veale 2000 Suzuki Hayabusa 1507cc 328.49
Malcolm Breadmore 2006 Suzuki Hayabusa (N2O?) 321.13

Brilliant! Thanks for that.

[kiwifruit]

Worth noting the 3 busas pulling more than 300 actual were lowered and modified quite a lot

[Edbear]

Worth noting the 3 busas pulling more than 300 actual were lowered and modified quite a lot

When it was tested at Avalon in Aus, back in '99, they had a performance centre increase power to 200ps in order to reach the 320km/h, (200mph), mark. The 311km/h speed was achieved on a stock bike.

[Gremlin]

Dunno about the Busa - I got told it was the first bike to exceed 300kph.
I recall also that it beat the Blackbird (its direct competition) which only scraped the 200mph.
200mph and 300kph are different numbers.

Afaik, the Blackbird was the first "hyperbike" to use that term loosely and the first to break 300kph. The Busa was released the following year and took the title from the Blackbird, plus all the name games, where the Hayabusa is Japanese for a bird that hunts blackbirds...

Either way, boss has a Blackbird, my only speeding ticket was on it, I didn't even realise I was doing 136, and it's far too easy to do stupid speeds with minimal revs.

Scary bikes :shit:

[SPman]

I believe the Japanese are scrapping the "gentlemans agreement" next year.....so that what she does, is what she does - and fuck the Europeans!

[Gixxer peter]

i understand the restriction is a limit on the revs the bike can pull in top gear, this is easily over ridden by a small device that tricks the bike into thinking it is still only in fifth gear.

[Stylo]

i understand the restriction is a limit on the revs the bike can pull in top gear, this is easily over ridden by a small device that tricks the bike into thinking it is still only in fifth gear.

No restriction in first gear though , a Gen2 Busa's good for around 145 before the shift up to 2nd ...magic :yes:

[davebullet]

i understand the restriction is a limit on the revs the bike can pull in top gear, this is easily over ridden by a small device that tricks the bike into thinking it is still only in fifth gear.

It's a TRE (timing retard eliminator). Not sure if there are other restrictions on the 'busa.

I put a TRE on the SV650. It's amazing how it went from 74hp to 197hp with such as simple mod!

[blackdog]

I put a TRE on the SV650. It's amazing how it went from 7.4hp to 19.7hp with such as simple mod!

You missed the decimal point!

[Gixxer peter]

It's a TRE (timing retard eliminator). Not sure if there are other restrictions on the 'busa.

I put a TRE on the SV650. It's amazing how it went from 74hp to 197hp with such as simple mod!

Hmmm with all due respect, i dont see how a device that controls the rev limit in top gear , and stops the ignition being retarded in lower gears (read as a poor mans traction control) can increase the horsepower of a bike??

[imdying]

Hmmm with all due respect, i dont see how a device that controls the rev limit in top gear , and stops the ignition being retarded in lower gears (read as a poor mans traction control) can increase the horsepower of a bike??You wanna buy a bridge? I got a goody!

[PSYCHO]

Paul Hinton from Alexandra also did a 299kmh flying quater on a 2004 Busa. Sounds like he had the same setup as yours with power commander etc. He was gutted that a kwaka clocked 301 kmh.

zx12 ran 305 there , mabe 2003?

[Brett]

Seems the new model is stronger again, with now 197hp.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQz9B4GcLr4&feature=related

That video has the worst voice over I have heard in a long time.

[avgas]

Reasonably sure the Bird can't/couldn't hit 200mph...? They only poked out about 135-140 at the wheel.

200mph is 322km/h.

200mph and 300kph are different numbers.

Which would indicate this bike was derestricted. Are they still restricting them at the factory or have they stopped the "gentleman's agreement"?
Some people here are so smart. Others need to read between the lines a bit.
The 3 points I made were
- Busa beat the blackbird
- Supposedly the Busa was first bike annouced to do past 300kph
- A test against an XJ220 showed the Blackbird did over 200mph

So which was fact?

[Stylo]

Some people here are so smart. Others need to read between the lines a bit.
The 3 points I made were
- Busa beat the blackbird
- Supposedly the Busa was first bike annouced to do past 300kph
- A test against an XJ220 showed the Blackbird did over 200mph

So which was fact?

4 more sleeps till the new 14 from Kawasaki is revealed on Oct 10.

Might change the playing field somewhat , I've heard 210 +hp and 1429 cc - mid nines out of the box . Plenty of stories going round and the big K is keeping this one pretty close to their chest ...

Can't wait and , I'm a 'Busa man but nothing wrong with a little competition :shit:

[raziel1983]

Some people here are so smart. Others need to read between the lines a bit.
The 3 points I made were
- Busa beat the blackbird
- Supposedly the Busa was first bike annouced to do past 300kph
- A test against an XJ220 showed the Blackbird did over 200mph

So which was fact?

I'll rephrase my comment then.. There's NO WAY a stock cbr1100xx can reach 200mph, It doesn't have the power, not to mention it not being geared long enough to reach it.

Also if the blackbird supposedly did 200mph(322kph) How was it that the busa was the first to do 300kph? :confused:

[DEATH_INC.]

Afaik, the Blackbird was the first "hyperbike" to use that term loosely and the first to break 300kph.
Back when the ZZR1100 was released, there was attached to the one in the local Kwakka shop an article from somewhere in germany about a stocker being radared at 304kph, I believe on the autobahn. Plus I remember an article in PB I think, they ran a ZZR against a Bird, they said you couldn't seperate them, 'cept the ZZR could eek past the Bird with a little tow to get it started, but the Bird couldn't return the favour. Not bad considering the age/tech difference...

[Stylo]

I'll rephrase my comment then.. There's NO WAY a stock cbr1100xx can reach 200mph, It doesn't have the power, not to mention it not being geared long enough to reach it.

Also if the blackbird supposedly did 200mph(322kph) How was it that the busa was the first to do 300kph? :confused:

Only seen 260 out of this one so far but, I'm still running it in ... 2450km's248061:innocent::innocent:

Not so sure if a Blackbird has the Ponies to do 300 but I'll let you guys fight it out aye

[Madness]

The two Blackbirds that did the same Cliffhanger Flying 1/4 I did a few years back were no match for my old '93 ZZR1100. I found out soon after that I likely had bugger all compression too with no clearance at all on several of the exhaust valves. All that said, I topped out at 265km/hr on the day.

Roll on the 10th of October :yes:

[tigertim20]

I'll rephrase my comment then.. There's NO WAY a stock cbr1100xx can reach 200mph, It doesn't have the power, not to mention it not being geared long enough to reach it.

Also if the blackbird supposedly did 200mph(322kph) How was it that the busa was the first to do 300kph? :confused:

Maybe the b/bird was the first bike to reach 200mph according to its speedo, stock.
and the busa was the first to do 300kmh and prove it with gps/radar technology???

besides, since when did manufacturers tell the truth about their bikes?
I can see the sales pitch now
'Its not as light as the zxr, its slower than most of the other bikes, but its cool so buy the new R1, even though everyone else has done development work on their new models, but we cant be fucked'
Im sure sales would skyrocket with honest advertising . . .

[LBD]

The two Blackbirds that did the same Cliffhanger Flying 1/4 I did a few years back were no match for my old '93 ZZR1100. I found out soon after that I likely had bugger all compression too with no clearance at all on several of the exhaust valves. All that said, I topped out at 265km/hr on the day.

Roll on the 10th of October :yes:

What on the 10th Oct....I thought the next Cliffhanger was Nov 12th?.....one week after the end of my holidays and I git back here...:cry::crybaby::cry::crybaby::cry::crybaby:

[Madness]

What on the 10th Oct....I thought the next Cliffhanger was Nov 12th?.....one week after the end of my holidays and I git back here...:cry::crybaby::cry::crybaby::cry::crybaby:

No, not the Cliffhanger. http://ninja14r.kawasaki.com/witness/

[Coolz]

PerfomanceBike mag July 2001.248079

[ducatilover]

Breaking the 311km/h the original Bus did will take a large step in HP. The MV F4i312R did 312 (duh) with more HP than the Bus. It's all in the aerodynamics and power delivery, not the HP numbers so much (nor the weight) and unfortunately, bikes have heinous co-efficient ratings.

Cannot remember what the D16RR managed.
The BBird was fast, but, the 'Busa munched it.
The majority of standard thou' will break 300 without a top speed limiter.

But, the Cliffhanger results speak for themselves, would be nice to see a de-restricted later model with standard HP go down the 'hanger run though.

[Metastable]

When the 2nd generation Busa came out, BIKE mag did a test to try and break the 200mph mark and they JUST managed to do it.

The bike was about as stock as you could have it, with just enough minor mods in order to do it. Memory is kinda foggy, as to what they did, but I know they took off all the mirrors and taped up certain sections of the bike to increase aerodynamics, and a few other smallish mods. Anyhoo - just got to 200mph.... or approximately 320kph. Plus I am sure that was way longer than a 1/4 mile test.

[kiwifruit]

1/4 mile test.

The flying 1/4 has a very long run up, about 2km. Long enough to hit the start at top speed.

[avgas]

I'll rephrase my comment then.. There's NO WAY a stock cbr1100xx can reach 200mph, It doesn't have the power, not to mention it not being geared long enough to reach it.

Also if the blackbird supposedly did 200mph(322kph) How was it that the busa was the first to do 300kph? :confused:
My thoughts exactly.
I reckon 200 on a blackbird was impossible - not due to HP.....but if the factory claims 178mph......good luck in getting past 190.

And if it could....then how does busa breaking 300kph fit in?

There are lots of figures, but few facts.

Ironically, in that article with the bbird and the XJ220......the jag didn't break 200mph and that cars supposed top speed was over 220mph!

[ducatilover]

When the 2nd generation Busa came out, BIKE mag did a test to try and break the 200mph mark and they JUST managed to do it.

Do you have a link? Because 200mph on a standard bike is absolutely mental :gob:

[Metastable]

It wasn't standard, it had minor mods.... the mods that many guys do to their bikes like PC, exhaust.... stuff like that. Nothing too crazy like engine work etc.... if memory serves me right. I'll try to find it.

My bad on the flying 1/4... didn't know they had that much room to accelerate.

Edit -> I can't find the details. When I google it, I get an old 1st generation Hayabusa test that went 200.2 mph, but unless I'm going nuts, it wasn't done THAT long ago.... within the last couple of years or so, on the 2nd generation bike. There is also another article that pops up on Google about SuperStreet Bike magazine about a nitrous Busa, but that's not it either. Someone has to remember that article.

[tigertim20]

PerfomanceBike mag July 2001

a picture of a speedo is useless in this debate which seeks to find the TRUE speed, not a picture of a bike speedo, which are know to be highly innaccurate
[QUOTE=avgas;1130170453]My thoughts exactly.
I reckon 200 on a blackbird was impossible - not due to HP.....but if the factory claims 178mph......good luck in getting past 190.

And if it could....then how does busa breaking 300kph fit in?

There are lots of figures, but few facts.

Ironically, in that article with the bbird and the XJ220......the jag didn't break 200mph and that cars supposed top speed was over 220mph!

ahh, the difference between factory claimed stats and reality. alot of bikes out there simply do not pull what they claim. Its all marketing. if yamaha said their 2012 R1 can do 205mph, everyone who owns one would be saying 'my bike does 205 mph' without having any idea if it was true or not.

It seems the marketing of some of these bikes has resulted in the creation of some old wives tales about the abilities of these bikes

[Edbear]

My thoughts exactly.
I reckon 200 on a blackbird was impossible - not due to HP.....but if the factory claims 178mph......good luck in getting past 190.

And if it could....then how does busa breaking 300kph fit in?

There are lots of figures, but few facts.

Ironically, in that article with the bbird and the XJ220......the jag didn't break 200mph and that cars supposed top speed was over 220mph!

The Bird was good for just a tad over 170. There are a few Blackbird owners on this forum.


Well the rev counter was on 11,000, so I would expect that to be reasonably accurate and this is the stock gearing from the spec sheet...

The original '99 unrestricted version with 155hp was clocked at Avalon airstrip in Aus at 311km/h, the '08 onwards versions have 175hp. This partiucular bike must have been deresricted from the 186mph limiter.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQd1ffDsJsc


200mph is 322km/h.



Gearing Commander (http://www.gearingcommander.com/) suggests 324km/h at 11000rpm in 6th which sounds about right.


Which would indicate this bike was derestricted. Are they still restricting them at the factory or have they stopped the "gentleman's agreement"?


When it was tested at Avalon in Aus, back in '99, they had a performance centre increase power to 200ps in order to reach the 320km/h, (200mph), mark. The 311km/h speed was achieved on a stock bike.

Latest bikes have 197hp, so the 320km/h mark is achievable without restrictions.

[Juzz976]

I know the TL1000R has a soft limiter removal mod to give an extra 500rpm.
This may be the 5th gear mod which would then in fact remove retard if it thought it was always in 5th.

Pretty sure its not the TRE mod, which is something else and would only give a SV650 a few extra hp not even 97hp let alone the obvious typo of 197hp.

I found my TL had its clutch interlock defeated (no need 4 clutch for starter), This makes the bike use a slightly different fuel map reducing output torque :facepalm:

[kiwifruit]

320km/h mark is achievable without restrictions.

With NOS, sure

[Edbear]

With NOS, sure

According to the calculations, 11,000rpm in 6th gear equates to 324km/h, so assuming the rev counter is correct this bike was doing that speed stock.

[kiwifruit]

Mmmmmhmmmmmmm

[ducatilover]

According to the calculations, 11,000rpm in 6th gear equates to 324km/h, so assuming the rev counter is correct this bike was doing that speed stock.

Do you account for wheel slippage?
Gearing commander says 324.1km/h at 11,000rpm and that sure looks like gearing that has been made the perfect length for the bike.

Surely someone can pull a decent test out? :facepalm:

[nodrog]

According to the calculations, 11,000rpm in 6th gear equates to 324km/h, so assuming the rev counter is correct this bike was doing that speed stock.

So Malcom Beadmore or whatever his name is, wasted all that money on NOS, only to go 318 (back in 2008 i think) when we saw him at carterton sprints?

somebody should have just told him to twist the throttle abit more.

[ducatilover]

So Malcom Beadmore or whatever his name is, wasted all that money on NOS, only to go 318 (back in 2008 i think) when we saw him at carterton sprints?

somebody should have just told him to twist the throttle abit more.

And those fags that bored their ones out :facepalm:

[Edbear]

So Malcom Beadmore or whatever his name is, wasted all that money on NOS, only to go 318 (back in 2008 i think) when we saw him at carterton sprints?

somebody should have just told him to twist the throttle abit more.

There were differences in hp output over the years, the opriginal had 155hp, then it went up to 175hp and the latest has 197hp. Remember in '99 they had to increase hp to 200 to reach the 320km/h mark and got 311km/h stock at Avalon airfield. So it depends on what his was putting out originally and then of course the conditions of the time have a lot to do with it, i.e. wind, gradient, air-flow, etc.

Witness the problems they still have at Bonneville to break the 200mph mark on the salt.

[Teflon]

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pt: 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIKLvsrlUrs) 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34UuWSDjz3s&NR=1) 4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6-A9e3JxCU&feature=related)5 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGggCxjiTj4)

[ducatilover]

There were differences in hp output over the years, the opriginal had 155hp, then it went up to 175hp and the latest has 197hp. Remember in '99 they had to increase hp to 200 to reach the 320km/h mark and got 311km/h stock at Avalon airfield. So it depends on what his was putting out originally and then of course the conditions of the time have a lot to do with it, i.e. wind, gradient, air-flow, etc.

Witness the problems they still have at Bonneville to break the 200mph mark on the salt.

197 rear wheel hp? The original was 155 at the wheel, I thought the current model had about 175rwhp? 197 is madness....

[Edbear]

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Interesting vid and shows that on the road, there is precious little difference that can be measured. The ZX12 deserved a much better record than it got, just because it failed to top the Busa. It's a great bike in its own right.

[Edbear]

197 rear wheel hp? The original was 155 at the wheel, I thought the current model had about 175rwhp? 197 is madness....

197 at the crank currently, so not sure about RWHP I'll see if I can find a dyno test.

[ducatilover]

197 at the crank currently, so not sure about RWHP I'll see if I can find a dyno test.

I'd say 175-180 at the wheel would be realistic, as I said the original were around 155hp at the wheel as compared to 140ish at the rubber on a Blackbird.

I really want to see a test on the new 'Bus :yes: sounds like a mental bit of kit

[Edbear]

I'd say 175-180 at the wheel would be realistic, as I said the original were around 155hp at the wheel as compared to 140ish at the rubber on a Blackbird.

I really want to see a test on the new 'Bus :yes: sounds like a mental bit of kit

One of the sad things about my current situation is that I'll never get to ride one, now. :bye:

[nadroj]

As far as I know they were all (gen1) 175 hp at the crank, with the only difference being the 340kmph speedo ones of "99 having no timing retard on the 16 bit? processor.
Of note is the different timing for cyclinders 1 & 4 to 2 & 3 on all but models E03, 28 & 33 (USA, Canada & California)
A decent tune with K&N filter TRE & aftermarket cans can produce aprox 175 RWHP.
Gen 2 at 197HP at the crank would equate to aprox 175 RWHP.

[DEATH_INC.]

just because it failed to top the Busa.
Um...come again? I can find plenty of comparo tests that say exactly the opposite. And the 12 was easy to get plenty more power out of.

[nodrog]

Um...come again?.

no, its just hair gel.

[DEATH_INC.]

no, its just hair gel.
Lol, you gotta have hair for that!


http://youtu.be/5ZWNbD0qE18

Watch this one from 2.55 on...

[Edbear]

Um...come again? I can find plenty of comparo tests that say exactly the opposite. And the 12 was easy to get plenty more power out of.

In top speed testing on the release of the ZX12 it failed to beat the Bus. Then of course came the restrictions. On road and track the 12 was great but it couldn't crack the 300km/h mark.

[DEATH_INC.]

In top speed testing on the release of the ZX12 it failed to beat the Bus. Then of course came the restrictions. On road and track the 12 was great but it couldn't crack the 300km/h mark.

Nope, the yanks couldn't beat the bus for some reason, every euro test I've seen it could.
The only Bus I ever ran on mine wasn't even close after about 300 yards...

[ducatilover]

One of the sad things about my current situation is that I'll never get to ride one, now. :bye:

Don't worry Ed, I'd fall of one in the first twenty seconds. :facepalm:

[gunrunner]

But isnt the original model the fastest as all later models were sort of restricted , but there are ways round dat ..

[Zamiam]

Don't worry Ed, I'd fall of one in the first twenty seconds. :facepalm:

I don't think I've got big enough balls to ride one and IF i did I think I'd be left sitting on my arse on the footpath as it took off

[Madness]

It's a great bike in its own right.

Not to mention so much better looking than the Bus :innocent:

[Edbear]

Not to mention so much better looking than the Bus :innocent:

Beauty is in the eye ... I've got used to the Busa over the last 12 years and the latest looks good to me. I do agree I like the 12 and reckon the 14 is ugly.

[Madness]

And a a lille boy waits.....

http://ninja14r.kawasaki.com/witness/

[raziel1983]

And a a lille boy waits.....

http://ninja14r.kawasaki.com/witness/

No more waiting! looks pretty farkin neat in my books, the grills obviously take cues from the connie, much improved i reckon??

[Teflon]

No more waiting! looks pretty farkin neat in my books, the grills obviously take cues from the connie, much improved i reckon??
They need to remove the R

[ducatilover]

High nines out the box :gob:

[Edbear]

High nines out the box :gob:

Most new 1000cc and up sports bikes are very fast and it's a piece of one-upmanship to be quickest over the quarter. I'm more interested in the top speeds of these bikes as it was the aerodynamics of the Busa that got it there as much as the power. That's one of the main reasons the ZX12 didn't make it as while Kawasaki did pay some attention to drag, it wasn't nearly as successful as Suzuki.

I doubt the new 14 has the slipperiness to top the Busa, even if it has a bit more power.

[blackdog]

Not to mention so much better looking than the Bus :innocent:

Oh my. That looks proper good.

[ducatilover]

Most new 1000cc and up sports bikes are very fast and it's a piece of one-upmanship to be quickest over the quarter. I'm more interested in the top speeds of these bikes as it was the aerodynamics of the Busa that got it there as much as the power. That's one of the main reasons the ZX12 didn't make it as while Kawasaki did pay some attention to drag, it wasn't nearly as successful as Suzuki.

I doubt the new 14 has the slipperiness to top the Busa, even if it has a bit more power.

I've never seen one run a 9.7 though without being strapped down.

So we know it has all the power, but, I have to agree with you. It doesn't look overly aerodynamic :facepalm: big as grills on the side etc.
Time will tell though :yes: