Don't these kids have exams or something to study for?

[Indiana_Jones]

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10754503

So they're having a wah about them losing their easy money :facepalm:

-Indy

[Oblivion]

I have mock exams. Tomorrow. I'm soooo prepared. :facepalm:

[Indiana_Jones]

I have mock exams. Tomorrow. I'm soooo prepared. :facepalm:

lol got some study done in between shouting at the cops and smoking weed?

-Indy

[maggot]

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10754503

So they're having a wah about them losing their easy money :facepalm:

-Indy

Let's put the same idea in a different scenario: TPTB have decided to tax you more, whenever they feel like it, however much they feel like, and they've taken away your vote and your representation.
I don't see any 'easy money' in the equation, we've still got to pay it off at some point.

[tigertim20]

Its a sad thing really.
A few cocksuckers make the news for negative things, and suddenly all students are whiny, drunken little arseholes, so 'fuck the lot of them'

Never mind the vast majority of students who work their arses off, many of whom work full time, just so they can afford to attend, or the thousands that live in slum conditions worse than poverty stricken areas of new zealand because property owners refuse to renovate or insulate the houses, all the while trying to figure out how they are going to pay for their course next year, when, despite the fact that the course hasnt changed, or in many cases, actually offers the student less in the way of support than last year, will actually cost several hundred more next year.
Pr the students who by the end of the year are literally living on 2 minute noodles and weetbix because they cant afford proper food.

Yep. fuck the students, because its not like the pittance they get as an allowance (which hasnt increased in how many years?, despite the fact that petrol, food and everything else necessary for life has increased steadily in cost) isnt enough for them to live on, right???

Yeah. fuck them. They dont need a voice anyway right?:facepalm:

[jazfender]

Don't these kids have exams or something to study for?

Don't you have a cardigan to knit?

[Indiana_Jones]

Getting rid of compulsory student union membership is the point I was making. I have to pay union fees for a services I don't want.

Every other union has to earn it's members, it's not some birthright.

No arguement about fee costs, they are too high.



Yep. fuck the students,

I got nothing against students, I'm a part time one myself. I just get sick of a few like the ones in the article that think they're owed that union money.

-Indy

[Indiana_Jones]

Don't you have a cardigan to knit?

What colour do you want dear?

[Swoop]

With such a nice new building, couldn't they burn some couches or something?

[MisterD]

Getting rid of compulsory student union membership is the point I was making. I have to pay union fees for a services I don't want.

The bit I don't get is that this is Auckland University students protesting against the removal of compulsory union membership...but the Auckland union is already voluntary, because the students voted to make it so..:weird:

[Indiana_Jones]

The bit I don't get is that this is Auckland University students protesting against the removal of compulsory union membership...but the Auckland union is already voluntary, because the students voted to make it so..:weird:

Yea I noticed that too lol. Odd.

-Indy

[bogan]

The bit I don't get is that this is Auckland University students protesting against the removal of compulsory union membership...but the Auckland union is already voluntary, because the students voted to make it so..:weird:

lolwut? That's messed up.

The student associations are kind of like welfare aren't they (as well as organising piss ups, but they largely pay for themselves anyway iirc), help out those who aren't coping with exam stress so well, or student advice etc. Guess they'll be the first things to go if it is an opt in system, as the majority don't need that stuff.

[Indiana_Jones]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/5689922/Student-union-bill-won-t-affect-core-services-Key

"Waikato voted for voluntary membership, saw the collapse of the services of the student associations and voted universal membership back in."

I.e. everyone else left that didn't need/want it.

So reading this, I take it the current law/policy means that the union can change it's rules to make other non-union members be forced to join.

It's like saying if you want a car you have to join the AA

-Indy

[Swoop]

The bit I don't get is that this is Auckland University students protesting against the removal of compulsory union membership...but the Auckland union is already voluntary, because the students voted to make it so..:weird:
Ahh, the joys of a university education.





I remember my days at Auckland Uni...:shutup:

[SPman]

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10754503

So they're having a wah about them losing their easy money :facepalm:

-Indy
You really are a stupid cunt some times!

[Blackbird]

I just get sick of a few like the ones in the article that think they're owed that union money.
-Indy

Call me cynical, but don't the majority of the students involved in protests seem to be taking courses that have debatable value in terms of employment or benefit to the country?.

Speaking as a completely unbiased (and retired) engineer :innocent:

[Usarka]

I have mock exams. Tomorrow. I'm soooo prepared. :facepalm:

Your taking the piss!

[SPman]

Call me cynical, but don't the majority of the students involved in protests seem to be taking courses that have debatable value in terms of employment or benefit to the country?.

Speaking as a completely unbiased (and retired) engineer :innocent:
University was originally meant to be a centre of learning, debate and higher education dedicated to turning out people who could think and reason, - not the trade training centres, they have turned into, the last 30 years!
Polytechs are for that!

[Blackbird]

University was originally meant to be a centre of learning, debate and higher education dedicated to turning out people who could think and reason, - not the trade training centres, they have turned into, the last 30 years!
Polytechs are for that!

Pillock :innocent: I'm referring to professional engineers, scientists, doctors and the like. All professions that require thought or reason. Sorry if I've offended anyone by leaving out lawyers and accountants:facepalm:

[Indiana_Jones]

Call me cynical, but don't the majority of the students involved in protests seem to be taking courses that have debatable value in terms of employment or benefit to the country?.

Speaking as a completely unbiased (and retired) engineer :innocent:

Buggered if I know lol, but some of the courses you have to wonder about. I mean who could forget the part-tax payer funded trip for hip hop studies....

I'm unbiased too :woohoo:

-Indy

[Smifffy]

When I was studying (funnily enough I still am, kinda) I was all kinds of pissed off that not only did I have to fund my education, but I also had to pay to belong to the compulsory student union, who would then use my money to publish shit like Cracuum, or organise some noisy bleeding heart campaign in the quad during the year's most demanding lecture on organic chemistry.

Worse still they just breed the worst of the politicians of the future.

Screw compulsory student unions.

[MisterD]

I remember my days at Auckland Uni...:shutup:

You obviously didn't enjoy yourself sufficiently then.

[Swoop]

You obviously didn't enjoy yourself sufficiently then.
Sadly, I studied.:violin:

Did pass, however.:woohoo:

[SPman]

Pillock :innocent: I'm referring to professional engineers, scientists, doctors and the like. All professions that require thought or reason. Sorry if I've offended anyone by leaving out lawyers and accountants:facepalm:
I'd be offended if you included them......:whistle:

[avgas]

Perhaps its just me. But unions, groups, clubs and associations in general that require compulsory membership do not run well with me.

I don't want funded, unresearched crap. I have no need for spam.
Student Unions are a fucking joke. Its the universities job to provide the vital services - remember after all that they are competing with other universities in NZ. Its called "student services". And 9/10 its funded from the Uni.

On the same note however I picked a fight with IPENZ once. Asking them why I should pay exorbitant fees for something that isn't really useful (as my other free memberships) or even internationally recognized (as cheaper alternatives). Turned out at the time IPENZ was more accountants than engineers.

Perhaps I am one of those poor sods whom believe we are in control of our own lives?

[Blackbird]

On the same note however I picked a fight with IPENZ once. Asking them why I should pay exorbitant fees for something that isn't really useful (as my other free memberships) or even internationally recognized (as cheaper alternatives). Turned out at the time IPENZ was more accountants than engineers.


Stu,
Membership of IPENZ is useful for some things, like certifiable project work or cross-crediting if you spend a spell in the UK for example but after that, its value drops in relation to cost. I was never a member of IPENZ as I came from the UK but I dropped the UK equivalent because there was no direct connection to the work I was doing in NZ and it was bloody expensive.

See, you do have freedom of choice.... pay up or walk away from it :yes:

[Indiana_Jones]

I'm a student member of IPENZ, work full time for a engineering firm and study part-time.

I just joined up as it's free (at the moment) and the general idea is that it's good for the CV etc

Also I believe my firm pays for membership.




See, you do have freedom of choice.... pay up or walk away from it :yes:

And this is the whole point of the thread. It should be a personal choice.

-Indy