Ha! Take that Mr Smith!

[5150]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/waikato-times/news/5688754/Levies-drive-motorcyclists-to-park-up

We all suspected this was going to happen, so wander if the government wakes up now (before the election). Though very highly unlikely. Lets not kid our selves. :corn:

[Lurch]

Yeah we really showed him!

It's not as if Nick's agenda was to just get rid of the problem by getting us off the road now was it....

[Indiana_Jones]

All is see happening is them rising the rates to make up for the new shortfall.....:facepalm:

Has any political party has come out and said they will lower them back to what they were?

They'd get a lot of votes....

-Indy

[Zedder]

Yep, action by ommission for bikers. Not a bad article from "Stuff" though.

[Paul in NZ]

Thats terrible news. ACC will double the fees if they think it would get rid of another 20%

[Flip]

Well some body had to vote for them in the last election!

[thepom]

bet the cost of acc has dropped too so they will be happy.........

[Indiana_Jones]

bet the cost of acc has dropped too so they will be happy.........

Doubt it, same number of bikes riding, just without rego now lol

-Indy

[Bassmatt]

All is see happening is them rising the rates to make up for the new shortfall.....:facepalm:

-Indy

+1
What else can they do, now they have gone down this road.
I think Mr Smith is gonna have the last laugh on this, especially when the sheeple give them their "mandate" at the next election.

[Bassmatt]

Doubt it, same number of bikes riding, just without rego now lol

-Indy

even if the number of bikes being used on the road has dropped, i bet the number of " bike hours" on the road hasnt changed much.

[Bassmatt]

"Seasoned rider Ward Fischer, who runs the Hamilton Motorcycle Riding School on Avalon Dr, said the increased levies should have been phased in.

"If ACC were a private company and continued on like it was, it would have gone bust,," Mr Fischer said. "So the costs had to be passed on..." :facepalm:

Fuck, ACC makes powerful propaganda!

[oneofsix]

even if the number of bikes being used on the road has dropped, i bet the number of " bike hours" on the road hasnt changed much.

has the number of "bike accidents" changed by an equivalent amount.

Liked the Green party guy saying the roads needed to be made safer and yet their policy is to reduce spending on roads :weird:

[Bassmatt]

has the number of "bike accidents" changed by an equivalent amount

I dont know the answer to that, I suspect not.
I was suggesting a person may ride a motorcycle as much as ever but they are only using one instead of choosing which one to use from the "fleet"

[Swoop]

Increased motorcycle levies have led to a biking exodus from Waikato roads, with registered motorcycles down more than 20 per cent from two years ago.
Errr, no. Just more of us not bothering with rego.

Thanks Nick! I'm now saving a lot of money due to your neanderthal approach.
Since I can only operate one vehicle at a time, only ONE of my vehicles are registered, as that is what I deem fair and equitable.

figures show motorcyclists are 18 times more likely than other road users to be involved in a crash... Most at risk were riders aged 15-25 or older riders, aged 30-50...
So, obviously the safest riders are those from 25-30???:facepalm::shit:

[Bald Eagle]

Yep, action by ommission for bikers. Not a bad article from "Stuff" though.

Except they still stuck on the 18 times more likely stats crap :sick: they swallowed from dodgy Nick.

[5150]

I think if Labour wanted to increase their votes at the next election, they would have done something to ease bikers pain. After all Mr Goff rides a Harley him self. :blink:

[Zedder]

Except they still stuck on the 18 times more likely stats crap :sick: they swallowed from dodgy Nick.

Well, it is owned by Fairfax Media after all......

[gijoe1313]

Not to worry, according to the way he thinks - all he has to do is raise the levies again to make up the shortfall! :facepalm:

And suddenly he realises he has a captive market of cyclists who can also have little rego plates on them!

[5150]

Yet the industry itself does little to help the bikers (their customers) by not standing up to mr Prick Smith. Atleast I haven't seen much 'public' action from them since the levies went up.

[Katman]

Except they still stuck on the 18 times more likely stats crap :sick: they swallowed from dodgy Nick.

Would you prefer they use the one where we make up only 2% of the road going fleet but are involved in 10% of all accidents instead?

[cs363]

All is see happening is them rising the rates to make up for the new shortfall.....:facepalm:
-Indy

Yep..... :facepalm:

[bogan]

Would you prefer they use the one where we make up only 2% of the road going fleet but are involved in 10% of all accidents?

Yes, using unbiased stats is more likely to get bikers to ask 'why it is so bad?' rather than just the 'fuck you, you lying pricks' response they get now.

[Eyegasm]

Ha, just got a job with ACC. paying me 16k a year more than my previous employer.

Now ACC can pay the rego themselves (sort of) and buy me a new bike!

[nodrog]

Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital.

[Katman]

I always said that the only way not paying your rego was ever going to achieve anything is if we all did it 'en masse'. That would have made a statement and created a massive headache for them at the same time.

Instead, we've just made it easier for them to justify the next increase.

[nodrog]

Instead, we've just made it easier for them to justify the next increase.

Sweet, so ill be saving even more money next year. :sunny:

[Katman]

Yes, using unbiased stats is more likely to get bikers to ask 'why it is so bad?' rather than just the 'fuck you, you lying pricks' response they get now.

I hate to burst your bubble but the 2%/10% figures might just be where they arrived at their 18x figure from.

[tbs]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/waikato-times/opinion/editorials/5688665/Editorial-Big-bikes-should-pay

sigh.....:facepalm:

[oneofsix]

I always said that the only way not paying your rego was ever going to achieve anything is if we all did it 'en masse'. That would have made a statement and created a massive headache for them at the same time.

Instead, we've just made it easier for them to justify the next increase.

brilliant use of propaganda and apathy by the government. We know the propaganda is BS but are too apathetic so they get away with it. Even to the point where they create division within their opposition, you could even be forgiven for believing Katman is arguing against himself.


Would you prefer they use the one where we make up only 2% of the road going fleet but are involved in 10% of all accidents?

[bogan]

I hate to burst your bubble but the 2%/10% figures might just be where they arrived at their 18x figure from.

Surely 2/10% would be 5x or very close to it? Which I think those number have been rounded anyway, as the direct rego/incident number we used give roughly 3-4x.

18 comes form adding bullshit distance travelled into it, bullshit cos we get scooters added to ours, and 'they' get trucks buses taxis etc on theirs.

[nodrog]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/waikato-times/opinion/editorials/5688665/Editorial-Big-bikes-should-pay

sigh.....:facepalm:

Faster bikes should have a lesser ACC levy, if you are dead you are not going to need too many ACC dollars.

[Katman]

you could even be forgiven for believing Katman is arguing against himself.

Not at all.

I have always said motorcyclists are having far too many accidents.

I have also always said that I'm fucked off with being penalised because of those motorcyclists who are repeatedly having accidents.

(And before anyone pounces on my past record - as I've said, I've had no accidents in the past 10+ years and the majority of my accidents prior to that were during my 5 years as a motorcycle courier overseas).

[5150]

So was this accident caused by a motorcyclist? Is that what my ACC levy will cover?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/oddstuff/5690493/Skid-marks-motorcyclists-messy-slide

[Indiana_Jones]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/waikato-times/opinion/editorials/5688665/Editorial-Big-bikes-should-pay

sigh.....:facepalm:

What a load of cunt dribble.

They always wank on about 'big bikes' etc. It's like for every cc up there's this huge magical speed increase....:facepalm:

Oh nice little stab there too about lane splitting....

-Indy

[bogan]

What a load of cunt dribble.

They always wank on about 'big bikes' etc. It's like for every cc up there's this huge magical speed increase....:facepalm:

Oh nice little stab there too about lane splitting....

-Indy

Or a magical weight increase :facepalm: If they are taxing heavy bikes more, surely the even heavier cars should get in on the action :sherlock:

Yeh that last bit showed it for what it was, jealousy, tis good to be a biker :woohoo:

[oneofsix]

What a load of cunt dribble.

They always wank on about 'big bikes' etc. It's like for every cc up there's this huge magical speed increase....:facepalm:

Oh nice little stab there too about lane splitting....

-Indy

I wonder how many accidents are down to lane splitting. From my experience less than 10%. There have been occasions where the safest place has been between the lanes.



So was this accident caused by a motorcyclist? Is that what my ACC levy will cover?
The motorcyclist should have smelt it coming :shutup: I understand this sort of thing is on the advisory groups radar already.

[5150]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/waikato-times/opinion/editorials/5688665/Editorial-Big-bikes-should-pay

sigh.....:facepalm:

It's funny how the writer of this article never identified him/her self. I would bet it's a local National MP under orders to justify the ACC levy spinning more b/s propaganda in our local paper. Who else would have a motive like this to write such dribble?

[Swoop]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/waikato-times/opinion/editorials/5688665/Editorial-Big-bikes-should-pay

Threr was a lot of
If that is the standard of writing from an editor, perhaps he should head off to the UK and write for The Sun.

[Bald Eagle]

It's funny how the writer of this article never identified him/her self. I would bet it's a local National MP under orders to justify the ACC levy spinning more b/s propaganda in our local paper. Who else would have a motive like this to write such dribble?

cut and paste from ACC propaganda leaflets. Why let rational debate of all the issues get in the way of a good story. Love the quote about the increase % of m/bike accidents which completely overlooks the fact that the number of motorbikes has also increased significantly over the decades and as an accident % of total motorbike numbers the accident rate has actually decreased.

opps silly me this is the interweb and govt spin platform .

[Scuba_Steve]

It's funny how the writer of this article never identified him/her self. I would bet it's a local National MP under orders to justify the ACC levy spinning more b/s propaganda in our local paper. Who else would have a motive like this to write such dribble?

I too noticed that, unwilling to sign they're name to the absolute bullshit they spew, he too is probably one of these wankers that try & force bikes off the road with his SUV no doubt.

& surely theres someting to be done to pull the "18x more likely" BS from the ministry of transport??? It's been shown to be false how come it's still able to be used & touted as fact???

[Spearfish]

Perhaps if the protests didn't work,
rego on hold tricks didn't work,
weaving past cars at 50k faster than everything else,
tapping mirrors while filtering didn't work,
then maybe we need to resort to not falling off?

[Katman]

Love the quote about the increase % of m/bike accidents which completely overlooks the fact that the number of motorbikes has also increased significantly over the decades and as an accident % of total motorbike numbers the accident rate has actually decreased.


And still you choose to ignore the fact that while the number of registered (in the system) motorcycles has risen (due to multiple bike ownership) the number of actual motorcyclists probably hasn't risen at the same rate.

[oneofsix]

And still you choose to ignore the fact that while the number of registered (in the system) motorcycles has risen (due to multiple bike ownership) the number of actual motorcyclists probably hasn't risen at the same rate.

The number of motorcyclist will have risen but it will be hard to get a count as a number of those will be on scooters and using car licenses. The percentage of motorcyclists owning multiple bikes has probably even reduced as those on scooters are unlikely to own more than one and those taking to the bike to save on fuel costs will only own one.

[Katman]

then maybe we need to resort to not falling off?

Hey, now there's an idea.

[puddytat]

has the number of "bike accidents" changed by an equivalent amount.

Liked the Green party guy saying the roads needed to be made safer and yet their policy is to reduce spending on roads :weird:

I realise you have a problem with the Greens, but to my knowledge they were the only party that supported the use of motorcycles especially in the urban enviroment.....:yes:

[Oblivion]

How about we tape his wrists to a Hayabusa? In the proper safety gear that they oh so want us to been in.

To be able to make a solution, you must first experience the problem. :innocent:

[bogan]

And still you choose to ignore the fact that while the number of registered (in the system) motorcycles has risen (due to multiple bike ownership) the number of actual motorcyclists probably hasn't risen at the same rate.

C'mon Katman, don't stoop to the government's level.

[Katman]

C'mon Katman, don't stoop to the government's level.

What, as opposed to sticking your fingers in your ears and going "LAH, LAH, LAH, LAH...."?

[Indiana_Jones]

Ban bikes.

It's the only way

-Indy

[carver]

oh my god you noobs, how the fuck did these guys get voted in?

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/60348-Pre-Election-Poll

ha ha, you n00bs need to wise up!

[puddytat]

Wouldnt it be prudent if somone set up a poll for this election?
Me know not how.

[Daffyd]

I think if Labour wanted to increase their votes at the next election, they would have done something to ease bikers pain. After all Mr Goff rides a Harley him self. :blink:

I may be wrong, but I heard him say in a radio interview that he rides a Triumph.

[Bald Eagle]

Wouldnt it be prudent if somone set up a poll for this election?
Me know not how.

They have, carver's link is to the last one. KB picked blue last time. Ready for a repeat ?

[Dodgy_Matt]

Meh ..... :facepalm:

[puddytat]

Yeah Im prepared for a repeat:facepalm:
Im more interested in the minor parties though.
I like to think that KB will have a more representative poll due to the wider demographic of its members:blink:than the normal media polls...
Well I live in hope.

[Bald Eagle]

Im more interested in the minor parties though.


Yep, they add light entertainment chuckle factor to another-wise boring two ends of the same horse race.

[Indiana_Jones]

I may be wrong, but I heard him say in a radio interview that he rides a Triumph.

He rides a Bonneville last time I heard

-Indy

[oneofsix]

Yep, they add light entertainment chuckle factor to another-wise boring two ends of the same horse race.

The exciting thing about the minor parties is that if you vote for them you can't be sure which horse they will pitch in with, well apart from it being the winning one.

[Bald Eagle]

Well said, all of the minor parties are quite capable of adjusting their policies in the pursuit of a perceived share of the power.

[puddytat]

In saying that though there's only 2 I know of that'll sell their souls to either side.....Maori & United future , make that 3, Act. No,... 4,NZFirst
You are right though oneofsix, maybe one day there will be a coalition of Minor parties that'd give 'em a right scare. (Sounds a bit Italian for even me)

[Voltaire]

I've been Smithbusting in a small way.

I have my second full rego bike on hold...and have been driving a 40 year old VW to work over the winter....$130 a year full rego....30 to 35 mpg and cheap parts .....some days I take the Norton....also cheap rego..... :love:

[5150]

Isin't it ironic that our ACC minister is also an environment minister? First he says we pollute the country with cars, then the bastard taxes us out of bikes. :facepalm:

[otter]

I'm fine with paying a little extra in ACC because I ride a bike (I use it...) what I can't deal with is having to pay ACC on each of my bikes, even though I'm only riding one at a time. Also, fuck everything about paying more rego on bikes >600cc. Well I guess I'll just have to get a R6 next instead of something a little more sensiable.

I love the logic that the writer in the waikato times is using... bigger bikes go faster, therefore they crash harder, well yes...if you're going over the speed limit sure. By that same logic people in cars over 1.6L or "boy racer" cars should be paying more because they're definately going to be speeding and crash :facepalm:.

[5150]

I'm fine with paying a little extra in ACC because I ride a bike (I use it...) what I can't deal with is having to pay ACC on each of my bikes, even though I'm only riding one at a time. Also, fuck everything about paying more rego on bikes >600cc. Well I guess I'll just have to get a R6 next instead of something a little more sensiable.

I love the logic that the writer in the waikato times is using... bigger bikes go faster, therefore they crash harder, well yes...if you're going over the speed limit sure. By that same logic people in cars over 1.6L or "boy racer" cars should be paying more because they're definately going to be speeding and crash :facepalm:.

And what Mr Smith won't tell you, or little does he know that my RGV 250cc bike can piss all over a 1150 or 1200cc Harley Davidson. So where is the logic in taxing according to cc rating?

[\m/]

If bigger engines are more dangerous, then why are there so many boy racers crashing gutless POS Honda Civics?

[Bald Eagle]

And what Mr Smith won't tell you, or little does he know that my RGV 250cc bike can piss all over a 1150 or 1200cc Harley Davidson. So where is the logic in taxing according to cc rating?

If one takes the time to read Dr Charles Lambs documents on the subject it is clearly proven that the cc rating is not the issue. It was an arbitrary excuse in support of a manufactured financial crisis as justification for (a) increased revenue (b) preparation for privatization / sale as an insurance business.

The National Govt are hell bent on digging a deeper hole and selling any ladders we may have left to climb out with.

Mr Key is quite happy for us to: "John Key said in an interview 'we might just muddle through' difficult economic times internationally"

[Scuba_Steve]

And what Mr Smith won't tell you, or little does he know that my RGV 250cc bike can piss all over a 1150 or 1200cc Harley Davidson. So where is the logic in taxing according to cc rating?

people that can afford those overpriced things called Harley's obviously have moneys so can be extorted for a larger amount :yes:.
Bigger bikes cost more so they assume there's more moneys for the extrotion simple as that

[SPman]

cut and paste from ACC propaganda leaflets. Why let rational debate of all the issues get in the way of a good story. Love the quote about the increase % of m/bike accidents which completely overlooks the fact that the number of motorbikes has also increased significantly over the decades and as an accident % of total motorbike numbers the accident rate has actually decreased.

opps silly me this is the interweb and govt spin platform .
Rational debate?
This is New Zealand with an ideology driven government, and Fairfax Media!
"John Key said in an interview 'we might just muddle through' difficult economic times internationally" As the world leader in "muddling", he should know what he's talking about! The question is, how fucked will the country be at the end of his "muddling through"!! You don't elect governments to "muddle through"!

[Katman]

If one takes the time to read Dr Charles Lambs documents on the subject it is clearly proven that the cc rating is not the issue. It was an arbitrary excuse in support of a manufactured financial crisis as justification for (a) increased revenue (b) preparation for privatization / sale as an insurance business.


You forgot the (c) option.

(c) To prepare us for the day when all we'll be allowed to ride is 125cc step throughs.

[imdying]

Katman, the reality is they can't even stop the natives of New Zealand from killing their own babies, they'll never be able to stop you riding your Katana.

[Katman]

Katman, the reality is they can't even stop the natives of New Zealand from killing their own babies, they'll never be able to stop you riding your Katana.

I don't imagine they will.

But they may well be able to one day stop anyone buying a new bike of that size.

[oneofsix]

Katman, the reality is they can't even stop the natives of New Zealand from killing their own babies, they'll never be able to stop you riding your Katana.

wished they could but when a baby is dead there is not bringing it back. However when Katman rides his Katana he still has it when he has finished but a government could make it too expensive to ride and confiscate it if he hasn't paid.

[imdying]

He'll be long dead by the time they've weaselled that level of draconian power in deeply enough that it can't be ignored/flouted. He has nothing to worry about.

[Katman]

wished they could but when a baby is dead there is not bringing it back. However when Katman rides his Katana he still has it when he has finished but a government could make it too expensive to ride and confiscate it if he hasn't paid.

And the sad fact is that every motorcyclist who uses the road without any regard for other road users and doesn't give a fuck what any other road user thinks of them is playing straight into the governments hand.

We're slowly fast running out of friends.

[bogan]

I don't imagine they will.

But they may well be able to one day stop anyone buying a new bike of that size.

hmmm, black market engineering, I could get in on that :innocent:

[5150]

hmmm, black market engineering, I could get in on that :innocent:

I can also see a business opportunity in that :corn:

[SPman]

Katman, the reality is they can't even stop the natives of New Zealand from killing their own babies, they'll never be able to stop you riding your Katana.
And that includes the white fellas, that make up over half the statistics, but don't get any of the headlines.......

[pete376403]

Except they still stuck on the 18 times more likely stats crap :sick: they swallowed from dodgy Nick.

Didn't that number originally start at "16 time more likely..."?

[Big Dave]

RGV 250cc bike can piss all over a 1150 or 1200cc Harley Davidson.

I get your point, but it's not an entirely accurate statement. An XR1200X will smoke it. A Pan head - OK.

[5150]

I get your point, but it's not an entirely accurate statement. An XR1200X will smoke it. A Pan head - OK.

My point was that cc rating should not determine the level of risk of injury. You can do as much damage on a 125cc learner as you can on a 1200 cc cruiser or 1000cc sports bike. And that is not taking into account of ratio of who was at fault. If the roads we ride on are bad quality then no wander we have more accidents. For government it's easier to tax us more then having to fork out to fix every road we ride on. Why not make roads better quality and spend money on rider and car driver education. I can wager that accident/ serious injury / death rate would fall dramatically.

[Kickaha]

My point was that cc rating should not determine the level of risk of injury. You can do as much damage on a 125cc learner as you can on a 1200 cc cruiser or 1000cc sports bike.

You're not taking into account people riding bigger more expensive" bikes are likely to be on higher wages which are also paid by ACC at 80%?

[Ocean1]

Love the quote about the increase % of m/bike accidents which completely overlooks the fact that the number of motorbikes has also increased significantly over the decades and as an accident % of total motorbike numbers the accident rate has actually decreased.

And the bit about the 35 - 50 year old BAB lemmings dying in their droves...

Is actually a huge hump in the riding demographic. The group's accident rate is actually the lowest and is trending down.

[Ocean1]

the number of actual motorcyclists probably hasn't risen at the same rate.

Probably?

Probably?

Front up with the numbers or fuck off.

[Winston001]

Assuming ACC and Nick Smith have got it wrong, with an election looming (only 8 weeks away) this is an easy way to attack the government.


So - which political parties have said they will lower motorcycle levies?

Which political parties have said they will lower ACC levies?

[Brian d marge]

I'm alright, popo do sod all and ergo isn't too bad ...thirty thousand odd every two years, I've pissed that up in a night down the pub ...
but there was a comment earlier in this thread, why hasn't labour done or spouted anything
possibly, not worth the vote 2/5th of sod all of the population
or they have been "advised "

either way the garlic crunching surrender monies have bigger balls than the kiwis ...at least they do " something "

be interesting to see the court figures for no rego

stephen

[James Deuce]

If you have a fuel efficient motorcycle, you're doing it wrong. Last thing bikers need is a Green MP to anoint motorcycles as transport. Just goes to show he is utterly ignorant of the modern motorcycling zeitgeist.

For goodness sake, he'll have us all on Brammos which have a 60km radius and a decent night's sleep recharge time.

[tri boy]

Hmm, lets see.
Went for a weekend ride on the XRL. No rego.
Rode the Scrambler into work. No rego. Just comeback from a fang on kanny's KLE up the valley. No rego.

Well the lack of that little bit of paper doesn't stop the wheels turning.:devil2:

[Zedder]

Assuming ACC and Nick Smith have got it wrong, with an election looming (only 8 weeks away) this is an easy way to attack the government.


So - which political parties have said they will lower motorcycle levies?

Which political parties have said they will lower ACC levies?

None to my knowledge Winston. It's like it's going the other way though with how "unsafe bikers are" in order to focus the rest of the population on that.

[Sarah311]

And still no levy for Cyclists (on the same page as the initial story was "injured cyclist"), none for skateboards, snow boards, BMX, Mountain Bikes, dick heads who go walkies when it's going to snow and need a helicopter to rescue them followed by some hospital treatment and recovery.... and so it goes on.
Yep Phill does ride a Triumph, unfortunately he doesn't ride popularity - so not much chop there.
$200 for a "non registered" fine is sweet really - need at least 3 before it becomes uneconomic - demerits as threatened are more of an issue, but all things have risk.
Does this make me a better rider, Nah; does it make me have more respect for Police - those who enforce it, Nope; does it make me think "Ooh, I should be a sheeple like the rest and be compliant" - hell no; does it make me want to have even bigger fingers that I may raise one to the dumb fucks who have no business concept of how to increase revenue without alienating the very people who enable their existence - Sure Does!!
Their science was shown to be completely bullshit, and they continue to make substantial profit year on year - like that was a surprise....

[puddytat]

If you have a fuel efficient motorcycle, you're doing it wrong. Last thing bikers need is a Green MP to anoint motorcycles as transport. Just goes to show he is utterly ignorant of the modern motorcycling zeitgeist.

For goodness sake, he'll have us all on Brammos which have a 60km radius and a decent night's sleep recharge time.

Yer what? What the fuck are you talking about man,& who?

I emailed the Greens today & am awaiting a reply:yes:

[Hitcher]

I can't see why people choose to deregister their bikes as a costs saving measure. While the registration costs have gone up, on a cents per kilometer basis they're bugger all: less than a rounding error in terms of total running costs.

If you can't afford to ride your bike, you can't afford to ride it. But it's probably most unlikely that a couple of hundred dollars for an ACC levy would adversely affect that predicament. People who only ride over summer when it's fine are a completely different issue for a whole bunch of reasons.

And neither ACC nor its Minister will be losing any sleep about people choosing to use cars instead of motorcycles. Indeed for them this is a win and vindication of their levy policy.

[brett7777]

what I can't deal with is having to pay ACC on each of my bikes, even though I'm only riding one at a time.


Yeah Ive found I can only ride one at a time. They need a better system for multiple bike owners.
Im voting Labour. I voted National last time (sorry about that) & they also took 50000 in funding from the daycare centre where my wife works. I hope Winnie or someone like that gets 5% & gets together with Labour & tosses them out.

[5150]

Maybe we should start "Vote Labour" campain on KB :shutup:

[Spearfish]

Yer what? What the fuck are you talking about man,& who?

I emailed the Greens today & am awaiting a reply:yes:

If the dark greens get on the bandwagon over emissions any acc cut will soon be wiped away (just look at the cost increases for cars with the new import restrictions), they tend to be a party that while shaking your hand, with a smile that resembles a burnt out wooden fort, flips you through a plate glass window.

Plus they were going to remove every 2 stroke.:shit::blink::shit::blink::shit::facepalm: :shit:

[pzkpfw]

If the dark greens get on the bandwagon over emissions any acc cut will soon be wiped away (just look at the cost increases for cars with the new import restrictions), they tend to be a party that while shaking your hand, with a smile that resembles a burnt out wooden fort, flips you through a plate glass window.

Plus they were going to remove every 2 stroke.:shit::blink::shit::blink::shit::facepalm: :shit:

"Green" is where the socialists went when communism died.

There are some people who genuinely care about the Planet, but most Green politicians just seem more interested in the bit where they get to tell everybody what to do.

[oldrider]

Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital.

True!

We were just the Judas sheep for others to follow .... my little diesel truck went up to just under $600.00 to register, most of it ACC! :spanking:

Must have effected thousands of diesel owners ..... never heard a peep out of any of them! :brick:

[oldrider]

"Green" is where the socialists went when communism died.

There are some people who genuinely care about the Planet, but most Green politicians just seem more interested in the bit where they get to tell everybody what to do.

True! So real people are still alive and well in this country ... what a relief! :niceone:

I thought they must have all fucked off to Australia or someplace! :yes:

[Winston001]

.... my little diesel truck went up to just under $600.00 to register, most of it ACC! :spanking:

Must have affected thousands of diesel owners ..... never heard a peep out of any of them! :brick:

Actually that's a damned good point John. And explains why my Prado regn was so high.

There must have been tens of thousands of Kiwis hit with this increase but nobody moaned or marched on Parliament or said anything. In fact I only realised when I read this thread.

So? Does that make bikers moaners and whingers? I'd like to think not...??

[SPman]

There are some people who genuinely care about the Planet, but most Green politicians just seem more interested in the bit where they get to tell everybody what to do.
I think politicians is the operative word in that sentence - and it applies to all parties
"Green" is where the socialists went when communism died.Bring back the "Values" party, I say!
Or the "Progressive Greens"!

[Scuba_Steve]

True!

We were just the Judas sheep for others to follow .... my little diesel truck went up to just under $600.00 to register, most of it ACC! :spanking:

Must have effected thousands of diesel owners ..... never heard a peep out of any of them! :brick:


Actually that's a damned good point John. And explains why my Prado regn was so high.

There must have been tens of thousands of Kiwis hit with this increase but nobody moaned or marched on Parliament or said anything. In fact I only realised when I read this thread.

So? Does that make bikers moaners and whingers? I'd like to think not...??

The truckies did complain... But you do have to consider diesel drivers are scattered, bikers tend to have a "community" & forums like KiwiBiker not sure how many "DieselDriver" forums are out there but I suspect not alot if any & they don't have the diversity or following of the like of KB & the biker "community"

[ukusa]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/waikato-times/opinion/editorials/5688665/Editorial-Big-bikes-should-pay

sigh.....:facepalm:

what a cock that guy is. Obviously someone with a small dick who hates motorcyclists!
Notice he doesn't mention those other road users that flout the road rules, weave in & out of traffic & take off on the wrong side of the road, and they don't pay any levies .... the cyclist!

[Murray]

what a cock that guy is. Obviously someone with a small dick who hates motorcyclists!
Notice he doesn't mention those other road users that flout the road rules, weave in & out of traffic & take off on the wrong side of the road, and they don't pay any levies .... the cyclist!

have a look at this thread and make your feelings known

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/142514-Attention-Waikato-Motorcycle-Dealers-Boycott-the-Waikato-Times?highlight=times

[swbarnett]

I always said that the only way not paying your rego was ever going to achieve anything is if we all did it 'en masse'. That would have made a statement and created a massive headache for them at the same time.
Why do you think they staggered the renewal date? This would've been very easy before then. Now it is almost impossible - divide and conquer!

[swbarnett]

Perhaps if the protests didn't work,
rego on hold tricks didn't work,
weaving past cars at 50k faster than everything else,
tapping mirrors while filtering didn't work,
then maybe we need to resort to not falling off?
I've tried that. It doesn't work either.

[PrincessBandit]

Regardless of all the dosh now in ACC's coffers (which apparently magically didn't exist until very recently) it won't stop their efforts to get those demonic accidents-just-waiting-to-happen two wheeled inconveniences off the road...

[Spearfish]

Regardless of all the dosh now in ACC's coffers (which apparently magically didn't exist until very recently) it won't stop their efforts to get those demonic accidents-just-waiting-to-happen two wheeled inconveniences off the road...

Anything as kewl as riding a motorcycle around a country like this one can never be taken off the road and the more people I can encourage to take it up the better it will be for me in the long run.. (I know it sounds simplistic)


I think its up to us how complicated that simple pleasure will get.

[Katman]

Anything as kewl as riding a motorcycle around a country like this one can never taken off the road and the more people I can encourage to take it up the better it will be for me in the long run.. (I know it sounds simplistic)


It would be great to think all motorcyclists wanted to share the experience with whoever was interested but unfortunately there's a large number of motorcyclists who are against the idea of motorcycling becoming any more mainstream.

They're usually the one's claiming they "don't give a fuck what anyone thinks of their riding".

What they don't realise though is that numbers are the only thing that will save motorcycling.

[DMNTD]

He rides a Bonneville last time I heard

So that would make it a Thai-umph? :sunny:

[5150]

So that would make it a Thai-umph? :sunny:

Duuh ??? :confused:

[swbarnett]

It would be great to think all motorcyclists wanted to share the experience with whoever was interested but unfortunately there's a large number of motorcyclists who are against the idea of motorcycling becoming any more mainstream.
I've got mixed feelings about this. While I'm only too happy that my passion is shared with more people I do remember the days when there just wern't enough of us on the road for the polies or the public to worry about us. We could do our own thing without being noticed.


What they don't realise though is that numbers are the only thing that will save motorcycling.
Although it just may be the opposite. It seems to fall on deaf ears that the accident numbers are up because there are more bikes on the road so it may be that the only way to avoid the glare of the anti-biker is to be so few that we once again slip under the radar.

[puddytat]

If the dark greens get on the bandwagon over emissions any acc cut will soon be wiped away (just look at the cost increases for cars with the new import restrictions), they tend to be a party that while shaking your hand, with a smile that resembles a burnt out wooden fort, flips you through a plate glass window.

Plus they were going to remove every 2 stroke.:shit::blink::shit::blink::shit::facepalm: :shit:

I admit the Greens arnt perfect,but it wasnt the Greens who were in power when that legislation was passed. And I think that the worst examples of that kind of behaviour as you describe above will be either National, Labour or Winston.

People are just so selfish,egotistical & self opinionated these days, we're never going to solve any fucking thing.

[baptist]

Threr was a lot of
If that is the standard of writing from an editor, perhaps he should head off to the UK and write for The Sun.

Nah he's to much of a Tosser for the Sun, they have standards, even if the bar is in the gutter...:innocent:



My point was that cc rating should not determine the level of risk of injury. You can do as much damage on a 125cc learner as you can on a 1200 cc cruiser or 1000cc sports bike. And that is not taking into account of ratio of who was at fault. If the roads we ride on are bad quality then no wander we have more accidents. For government it's easier to tax us more then having to fork out to fix every road we ride on. Why not make roads better quality and spend money on rider and car driver education. I can wager that accident/ serious injury / death rate would fall dramatically.

Careful, you could get arrested for spreading radically subversive ideas like that!!!!


Yeah Ive found I can only ride one at a time. They need a better system for multiple bike owners.
Im voting Labour. I voted National last time (sorry about that) & they also took 50000 in funding from the daycare centre where my wife works. I hope Winnie or someone like that gets 5% & gets together with Labour & tosses them out.

My wife too.... That cut along with others I see affecting the communities most needy means I will as always be voting any way but blue... I think Key is actually a decent guy, but Prick Smiff ..... ooh :kick:

[Katman]

Although it just may be the opposite. It seems to fall on deaf ears that the accident numbers are up because there are more bikes on the road so it may be that the only way to avoid the glare of the anti-biker is to be so few that we once again slip under the radar.

I don't think we'll ever slip back under the radar.

As our numbers decrease it will only make the politicians job of getting rid of us easier.

[swbarnett]

I don't think we'll ever slip back under the radar.

As our numbers decrease it will only make the politicians job of getting rid of us easier.
unfortunately you're probably right. Genie out of the bottle and all that.

[Tigadee]

Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital.

I thought statistics were more like wonder [push-up] bras - What little is pushed up and exaggerated to create maximum effect, then when the real stuff is revealed, it turns out to be disappointing... :no:

[5150]

So a week or so I wrote to the leader of the opposition HOn Mr Geoff asking him what Labours policy was going to be regarding bike regos and ACC if they were going to be voted into government. This is the response I got back this morning.

248532

Interesting approach me thinks :mellow:

[brett7777]

so we dunno what their policy is yet? They better come up with something because I sure aint voting National.
It is so sad that National are polling so high.
I think watching too much Jersey Shore, Kardashians, etc, has affected the brains of the people. it was all part of John Key's master plan to mold people's minds & accept his stealing robbing policies

[brett7777]

I'll give Labour one big A +++ tho. They replied. I didnt get a reply from my local national MP, or from Banks or Brown when they were campaigning.
For that matter, the local council hasnt replied to my latest communication either.
So go Labour!

[Tigadee]

What they don't realise though is that numbers are the only thing that will save motorcycling.

AND make it less expensive - so less of an expensive hobby and more of a logical, viable transport option.

[Robert Taylor]

Lets look at it from another angle, what are motorcyclists doing as a collective group to make motorcycling safer and to reduce the cost to the economy of accidents? Perhaps this has been answered in detail elsewhere and Im not taking sides as I derive income from motorcycling.
Everyday I see people riding scooters with little or no protective gear and I wonder aloud by how much that section of the motorcycling population is creating excess taxpayer funded health expense for the sake of a minimum level of saftey equipment.
I think these are fair questions that can be answered subjectively without anyone getting emotional

[swbarnett]

Lets look at it from another angle, what are motorcyclists doing as a collective group to make motorcycling safer and to reduce the cost to the economy of accidents? Perhaps this has been answered in detail elsewhere and Im not taking sides as I derive income from motorcycling.
Everyday I see people riding scooters with little or no protective gear and I wonder aloud by how much that section of the motorcycling population is creating excess taxpayer funded health expense for the sake of a minimum level of saftey equipment.
I think these are fair questions that can be answered subjectively without anyone getting emotional
I think you may have answered your own question. What can a group of Motorcyclists do about the scooter fraternity? I have a theory that if motorcycles and scooters were seen as separate groups the stats would stack up somewhat better for us.

[cs363]

I have a theory that if motorcycles and scooters were seen as separate groups the stats would stack up somewhat better for us.

I think you may be onto something there, I see very few motorcyclists these days wearing little or no protective gear, even the ones that ride like monster raving loonies! On the other hand it's rare to see a scooter rider with much more than a helmet for protection, add to that that I'd guess the majority of scooter riders have less riding experience and most scooters don't stop as well and are less stable on those little wheels.