How to drop out

[jazfender]

Some of the more liberally-leaning peeps might appreciate this. Bit of a read.

http://ranprieur.com/essays/dropout.html

http://behance.vo.llnwd.net/profiles4/155841/projects/1193675/2ebb325123313f66dbe81cda4b6a8cf8.jpg

[Big Dave]

Or how to justify being a loser.

[Zedder]

Or how to justify being a loser.

Why do you phrase it like that Big Dave? They're just choosing something different like you chose to do what you're doing.

[Indiana_Jones]

"They got a word for 'em, they're called bums"

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"Instead, try to stop yourself from committing suicide until you can find a job that is so non-hellish that it does not make you suicidal"

I think this person needs some mental help if jobs make them that sad.....

-Indy

[avgas]

Dropping means you ascended some height.
Going out means at some point you got in.
http://www.fiftiesweb.com/fashion/hippie-guy.gif
These people are simply patio stones in my garden. They never get any higher, and they are not allowed in the house.

[avgas]

also - to read that link properly. You have to end the sentences with the word "man".
Here let me show you.

1. Do not drop out man. Instead man, try to stop yourself from committing suicide until you can find a job that is so non-hellish that it does not make you suicidal man, and then stay at that job man, or an even better one if you can find it man, for several decades man. Grab what fun you can on the weekends man, save up money man, enjoy your retirement man, and you will have lived a pretty good life man.

[Indiana_Jones]

" They should be envious of me man: my life is elegant man and theirs is disjointed and self-defeating man"

Yep, don't get much more elegant then going through a bloody rubbish bin and eating scraps lol

-Indy

[Big Dave]

Why do you phrase it like that Big Dave?

The eat from a dumpster bit. Let's start with botulism and work down to loser dying alone in the woods, because they've chosen to drop out of societal medical treatment too?

'The Good Life' I got no issue with.

[jazfender]

I saw this dude on one of the doco channels that eats roadkill. The argument being that boiled down, it's no more or less sanitary than a freshly prepared meal - if you know what you're doing.

The disgust around that sort of behaviour is more cultural than anything else.

Anyway, I'm not really a dumpster diver myself and they do come across as a bit sanctimonious in parts of the essay but take what you will.

[tigertim20]

Or how to justify being a loser.

well you have to define winning before you can justify the term 'loser'
Not everyone wants the same thing, not everyone views the same acheivements as winning or denoting success. Looked to me to be more an essay about self definition, deciding what YOU want, rather than following the natural discourse of success. Instead of just getting a degree because its expected of you to become successful, ask yourself what you actually want.

I know plenty of people that never got degrees, are frankly quite poor etc, btu are some of the happiest people I know. They have all the things they want, they can get by.
As long as they are able to live their lives without cusing me cost or distress, I dont think it matters how they live.

[Big Dave]

well you have to define winning before you can justify the term 'loser'

Yes - I have. Fully defined it thanks. It doesn't involve scavenging from dumpsters.

>>without causing me cost<<

Highly unlikely.

[Indiana_Jones]

Is that pic the author taking a drop out bath?

Using bark as soap?

-Indy

[Big Dave]

soap?

-Indy

Damn - beat me to it

[Indiana_Jones]

Damn - beat me to it

Where's the soap?

Yes, it does :sunny:

-Indy

[Big Dave]

Beware the Llama spits - and he was.

[avgas]

I know plenty of people that never got degrees, are frankly quite poor etc, btu are some of the happiest people I know. They have all the things they want, they can get by.
As long as they are able to live their lives without cusing me cost or distress, I dont think it matters how they live.
Drug addicts are the happiest people I know. Fuckers laugh at all my jokes even the ones that aren't jokes.

[avgas]

Beware the Llama spits - and he was.
So said the Spaghetti and Meatballs?

[jazfender]

Is that pic the author taking a drop out bath?

Using bark as soap?

-Indy

Nah the pic's from this gallery:

www.behance.net/gallery/Rainbow-Gathering/1193675

No connection to the article but some interesting photography nonetheless. If you like dirty hippies that is.

[Big Dave]

Drug addicts are the happiest people I know.

Ken once buried a CB200 next to his crop so he could make a 'quick getaway'.
I've been dining out on that one since 1979.

[Usarka]

Or how to justify being a loser.

Yeah well, that's just like your opinion man.

[Big Dave]

Yeah well, that's just like your opinion man.

:-)

Precisely - even the Dude went to the supermarket and wrote cheques.

[Indiana_Jones]

Nah the pic's from this gallery:

www.behance.net/gallery/Rainbow-Gathering/1193675

No connection to the article but some interesting photography nonetheless. If you like dirty hippies that is.

sweet as...

"Rainbow Gathering"....

Oh God they love the stereotypes lol

I bet they're call 'river' and 'flower' etc

I don't really like hippies, but if they wanna do their thing that's cool, doesn't really affect me :)

-Indy

[scumdog]

also - to read that link properly. You have to end the sentences with the word "man".
Here let me show you.

1. Do not drop out man. Instead man, try to stop yourself from committing suicide until you can find a job that is so non-hellish that it does not make you suicidal man, and then stay at that job man, or an even better one if you can find it man, for several decades man. Grab what fun you can on the weekends man, save up money man, enjoy your retirement man, and you will have lived a pretty good life man.

What a lot of gobble-de-gook.
'man' is used back then the same way 'like' is used today - a filler for people that are numpties and need something to fill in a gap in their thought process...

[scumdog]

Drug addicts are the happiest people I know. Fuckers laugh at all my jokes even the ones that aren't jokes.

Well fuuuck-yooouu, I'm not a drug addict and I am as happy as fuck, OK douche-bag??? :sunny:

[jazfender]

Citizens, return to your homes.

[scumdog]

Why do you phrase it like that Big Dave? They're just choosing something different like you chose to do what you're doing.

They're leeching off the squares man, hanging off the tit of the working dude...

[jazfender]

You are free to do what we tell you.

[Big Dave]

Well fuuuck-yooouu, I'm not a drug addict and I am as happy as fuck, OK douche-bag??? :sunny:

I'm happier than you, fuck-knuckle. :mad:

[Big Dave]

Yeah well, that's just like your opinion man.

Doh! Doh! Doh!

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They're Nihilists, Man.

[scissorhands]

straights create hippies

hippies create straights

your polarities and difference's create each other



From the Heavens come the spiritual and immortal portion of man; from the Earth his material and mortal portion. ... and he attains the purposes of his being only when the two natures that are in him are in just equilibrium.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Nah the pic's from this gallery:

www.behance.net/gallery/Rainbow-Gathering/1193675

No connection to the article but some interesting photography nonetheless. If you like dirty hippies that is.

There's definately a few dirty hippies I'd shag in that collection!

[scissorhands]

Autism spectrum much?

[Big Dave]

There's definately a few dirty hippies I'd shag in that collection!

'You'd fuck a dog with a festered arse' - Rude, Rodney c.1982.

[scissorhands]

They're leeching off the squares man, hanging off the tit of the working dude...

yup, many are leeching, I know heaps that do, and complain:facepalm:
I've dropped out, but I still pay a big chunk of tax for dumb shit I'll never use:angry:

Many drop outs/alternative types financially support a world they care little for....
so it works both ways.

Hospitals, education, roading etc have little use for herbalist vegans hiding on the farm with the internet off a solar panel

Most are in an inner city flat, shagging their flatmates, spending their dole money at the supermarket on shit soy sausages or organic feijoa wine, setting up a community garden that produces next to nothing while they lean on their spades and congratulate each other on their stand against the system:shutup:

[Big Dave]

Pretty good, Scissors.

It's like those drop-kicks rioting against globalisation - while wearing Nike Hoodies and $200 Reebook sneakers.

[imdying]

complain:facepalm:Heard a goody this morning... wife's mate was moaning that her father in law gave her a nice new car... her response was, "What a waste, that's 25% of our mortgage". Ungrateful bitch needs a smack upside the head. I'd like somebody to give me a brand new car :(

[jazfender]

Most are in an inner city flat, shagging their flatmates, spending their dole money at the supermarket on shit soy sausages or organic feijoa wine, setting up a community garden that produces next to nothing while they lean on their spades and congratulate each other on their stand against the system:shutup:

I think you're confusing "dropping out" types with fashionable young people in general.

I know a lot of the same - especially ones that talk about these ideas and then go and buy $300 jeans.

It's cool to be liberal but you gotta look good while doing it if you want the status. Such is fashion.

[Indiana_Jones]

Most are in an inner city flat, shagging their flatmates, spending their dole money at the supermarket on shit soy sausages or organic feijoa wine, setting up a community garden that produces next to nothing while they lean on their spades and congratulate each other on their stand against the system:shutup:

Yep those are the little knobs people hate the most :sunny:

-Indy

[oneofsix]

Hospitals, education, roading etc have little use for herbalist vegans hiding on the farm with the internet off a solar panel


Perspective scissors. Without the infrastructure you quote your vegan doesn't get their solar panel nor their internet. So in an indirect way they do use it.

[jazfender]

Perspective scissors. Without the infrastructure you quote your vegan doesn't get their solar panel nor their internet. So in an indirect way they do use it.

The article advocates this as well, using what you need etc. No point in wasting what's already there.

[avgas]

Well fuuuck-yooouu, I'm not a drug addict and I am as happy as fuck, OK douche-bag??? :sunny:
Clearly. No further comment required.

[Indiana_Jones]

So is the idea to like just use what you need to get by?

Just seems odd as humans we like to try and move forwards and progress things.

If we followed that life style we'd still be living in caves till the age of 25 scared of our own shadow.

-Indy

[Big Dave]

'Whole life balance, Daniel-san.'

[Crasherfromwayback]

It's amazing what some people get a kick out of if you excuse the pun...

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[oneofsix]

The article advocates this as well, using what you need etc. No point in wasting what's already there.

Oh so just another blood leech on society that wants to bitch about what that society is providing for them. But of course they are too blinded by their own idealism to see that.

[jazfender]

So is the idea to like just use what you need to get by?

Just seems odd as humans we like to try and move forwards and progress things.

If we followed that life style we'd still be living in caves till the age of 25 scared of our own shadow.

-Indy

I think it's partly about questioning the nature of progress itself.

The principles apply anywhere really, it's just not as easy to live off the concrete jungle freely as it would be from the land.


Oh so just another blood leech on society that wants to bitch about what that society is providing for them. But of course they are too blinded by their own idealism to see that.

The article mentions trading with society, it is not leeching.

Someone living outside of society is less of a drain on it than someone inside it.

[Big Dave]

Someone living outside of society is less of a drain.

Until they get appendicitis.

[jazfender]

Until they get appendicitis.

They would still need to pay if they were using society's doctors?

[jazfender]

There's also no reason why doctors couldn't be a part of these communities.

[Big Dave]

OK - till they get sick and present at a taxpayer funded medical facility.

[jazfender]

OK - till they get sick and present at a taxpayer funded medical facility.

But they're still taxpayers?

The article says the idea is only to make as much money as you need and to separate that from your loves/passions. There is nothing about avoiding tax.

[Road kill]

I saw this dude on one of the doco channels that eats roadkill. The argument being that boiled down, it's no more or less sanitary than a freshly prepared meal - if you know what you're doing.

The disgust around that sort of behaviour is more cultural than anything else.

Anyway, I'm not really a dumpster diver myself and they do come across as a bit sanctimonious in parts of the essay but take what you will.

As long as it's fresh an the gut ain't broke,,,no worries,,,,man.

[Big Dave]

But they're still taxpayers?


That's not living 'outside' of society. That's towing the man's line, man.
So not only do they need a bath - they're hypocrites!
Luls.

[jazfender]

That's not living 'outside' of society. That's towing the man's line, man.
So not only do they need a bath - they're hypocrites!
Luls.

Dropping out of society altogether is largely a teenage rebellion thing and is not what this is about. I think they use the term "dropping out" to refer to getting out of the contribution to consumerism and the associated decay of society - something that taxes are separate from (if used correctly).

I got the feeling that it's more about contributing to society. The revolution will not be televised and all that.

"At the moment there's no reason to drop out "all the way" except puritanism."

[Indiana_Jones]

I got the feeling that it's more about contributing to society. The revolution will not be televised and all that.



The hambeast revolution will not be televised!

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-Indy

[Big Dave]

This is like picking on the Amish.
Even if they did find out - what are they going to do about it.
Go all Billy-Jack on your arse?

[Big Dave]

Dropping out of society altogether is largely a teenage rebellion thing and is not what this is about. I think they use the term "dropping out" to refer to getting out of the contribution to consumerism and the associated decay of society - something that taxes are separate from (if used correctly).

I got the feeling that it's more about contributing to society. The revolution will not be televised and all that.

"At the moment there's no reason to drop out "all the way" except puritanism."

I think we're at crossed purposes here.

As stated early on - No issues with 'The Good Life' - it was a brit sitcom about alternate lifestyles - giving up the traditional 9 to 5 way of life for one of self-sufficiency and growing your own whatevers. To a certain extent that's what I do now as a freelancer anyway.

That's different to scavenging in rubbish bins and off the rest of 'the system'.

The difference between being 'just' and just a parasite.

[scissorhands]

This is like picking on the Amish.


Thats funny.

The biggest knobs and cunts are those screwing the planet for future generations. YOUR KIDS AND MINE!!!

The more people that drop out, the more pussy for me and you. Really. Its a no brainer.

I have been a hippy shagging, beach hut living, stoner for an earlier part of my life. Never crook for 20 years, but needed stitches quite a few times, plus 5 days in an eye ward...

No rent, power or phone for years, lived off my money from outback mining. Then bought a house and lived off my flatmates rent money....

Less is more, no unwanted pregnancies and had the time of my life. Read a lot of books, warmed to live song and music, swam and soaped in streams for a clean.

Bought a Kombi or 5, had lots of van sex, relaxed and dropped out. 2 years in Bali, 2 years on the road in Oz. Absolute time of my life.

However it gets to be a bore, just like anything.

Nearly all the hippies I knew, eventually got a haircut, a job, and/or hepatitis.

Backpackers do it for a couple of years, I did it for 15years...

http://www.ranprieur.com/images/meOct09.jpg

Jaz, from the website 'How to drop out' the author Ran Prieur looks like an aspergian, you may want to check on that too Jaz, checking profiles and comments here, its fairly likely by my reckoning:)

[jazfender]

Jaz, from the website 'How to drop out' the author Ran Prieur looks like an aspergian, you may want to check on that too Jaz, checking profiles and comments here, its fairly likely by my reckoning:)

Sorry, you think I have Asperger's?

[scissorhands]

I'm too stoned to think properly, by all accounts

[otter]

yup, many are leeching, I know heaps that do, and complain:facepalm:
I've dropped out, but I still pay a big chunk of tax for dumb shit I'll never use:angry:

Many drop outs/alternative types financially support a world they care little for....
so it works both ways.

Hospitals, education, roading etc have little use for herbalist vegans hiding on the farm with the internet off a solar panel

Most are in an inner city flat, shagging their flatmates, spending their dole money at the supermarket on shit soy sausages or organic feijoa wine, setting up a community garden that produces next to nothing while they lean on their spades and congratulate each other on their stand against the system:shutup:

HEY! I like soy sausages and organic feijoa wine sounds yum.
Tried gardening...too much work, rather spend time with my bike. Also, I like internet and hot showers too much.

[jazfender]

I did the test anyway in case it would give me new found internetz understanding.

NOT aspie.

Feeling pretty 'non-special' right now.

[scissorhands]

I did the test anyway in case it would give me new found internetz understanding.

NOT aspie.

Feeling pretty 'non-special' right now.

They all say that.

Its called 'full neurotypical emulation mode'.....and is as common as dissimulation.

Clinical aspergers syndrome is the problematic end of being aspergian. Many aspergians like Bill Gates or Burt Munroe are successful and talented, and many go to the grave never knowing why they think differently to most neurotypical human beings. A lot become alcoholics, drug addicts, hermits, spinsters and church goers....and loner hippies

[avgas]

I don't have aspies.........I simply run autopilot and step in the back room of the mind to look through the attic.

I am the smartest zombie on the planet.

[jazfender]

They all say that.

Its called 'full neurotypical emulation mode'.....and is as common as dissimulation.

Clinical aspergers syndrome is the problematic end of being aspergian. Many aspergians like Bill Gates or Burt Munroe are successful and talented, and many go to the grave never knowing why they think differently to most neurotypical human beings. A lot become alcoholics, drug addicts, hermits, spinsters and church goers....and loner hippies

So what's the point of the test if you've got it regardless of the outcome?

Sounds like a mainstream illness to 'explain' why people might have alternative worldviews.

[scissorhands]

Dont let anyone ever tell you its an illness, Honey

Its a difference....

ADHD kids cant sit still in class, so the authorities put them on methamphetamine (ritalin)

Fact is, they are genetically fitter, have a nomadic tribes gene expression, and as such, dont fit into todays modern world.

In a less domesticated environment, many would be considered smarter, stronger and quicker, affording them an evolutionary fitness or advantage....

Today however, being able to sit still and obey masters, is becoming a more suitable disposition for successfully mating and breeding. Wilful, egocentric self focus, will be discouraged in the new world, and obeisance to a leader, will be conferred privileges by the state.:shutup:

A lot of those photos of hippies you put up seemed like ADHDers, to me. But the (loner quiet not getting a lot of sex) hippie is usually the aspie. Are you getting it?

But hey, I could be wrong as fuck

[jazfender]

Mean troll bro.

[rachprice]

Sounds like a mainstream illness to 'explain' why people might have alternative worldviews.

Funny that, I'm doing psych at the moment and I swear every little difference has a specific name....its madness, for sure, I understand the autism spectrum, but its almost like every little eccentricity is attributed to some disorder or illness




ADHD kids cant sit still in class, so the authorities put them on methamphetamine (ritalin)



And yes you are a little wrong, methylphenidate is not meth, nor is it an amphetamine. It may have amphetamine-like properties (ie. an upper) but is not chemically an amphetamine

[Big Dave]

I have 'No Syndrome' Syndrome.

[Usarka]

And yes you are a little wrong, methylphenidate is not meth, nor is it an amphetamine. It may have amphetamine-like properties (ie. an upper) but is not chemically an amphetamine

It has cocaine like properties too. And how many kids do we have on this......

One of teh chilli peppers wrote a book and theres a funny section where two of them babysit for an ADD kid and raid his stash of ritalin. Parents come home to see these two bouncing around the living room with the stereo turned up to 11.

[rachprice]

It has cocaine like properties too. And how many kids do we have on this......

One of teh chilli peppers wrote a book and theres a funny section where two of them babysit for an ADD kid and raid his stash of ritalin. Parents come home to see these two bouncing around the living room with the stereo turned up to 11.

It has a paradoxical effect on them, odd but if anyone questions the authenticity of the disease watch a 'normal' person take it, then an ADHD person take it and the effects are the complete opposite!
Pretty incredible really

[tigertim20]

It has a paradoxical effect on them, odd but if anyone questions the authenticity of the disease watch a 'normal' person take it, then an ADHD person take it and the effects are the complete opposite!
Pretty incredible really

define normal!!!!!:shutup:

[avgas]

define normal!!!!!:shutup:
define define:facepalm:

[Big Dave]

define define

Iz when you iz caught speeding twice and iz what you have to pays

[avgas]

Iz when you iz caught speeding twice and iz what you have to pays
Why?....................

[Big Dave]

If you don't pay define they make it bigger.

[avgas]

If you don't pay define they make it bigger.
Its like Anti-Bobbit then aint it.

[rachprice]

define normal!!!!!:shutup:

What I meant by that was someone without ADHD


define define:facepalm:

haha I know...its constant hey, unfortunately life is not black and white which can make things rather confusing but makes it very interesting too!

[scumdog]

Its like Anti-Bobbit then aint it.

You have an auntie named Bobbit?:blink: