Attention Waikato Motorcycle Dealers - Boycott the Waikato Times

[Oscar]

Check out the cheap shot by the Editor of the Waikato Times (also discussed in other ‎threads here):‎
http://www.stuff.co.nz/waikato-times/news/5689865/Editorial-Time-for-big-bikes-to-pay

The Editor had the temerity to sympathise with motorcycle retailers, “who are finding ‎it tough”. One way saving money and showing solidarity with their customers is for dealers to ‎withdraw their advertising spend from this tacky little newspaper. ‎

Talk to your local bike shop – boycott the Waikato Times!‎

[Ocean1]

Don't usually patronise the local press.. but in this case I'ma guna order me up a slew of advertising just so's I can ring them up an' pull it.

Arseholes.

[imdying]

<img src="http://static2.stuff.co.nz/1241011643/921/2373921.jpg" />

Spit in his face if you see him out and about.

In comparison, this (http://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/motoring/3376433/Coastal-cruise-a-supercharged-dream) is what he thinks of cars.

I'll get the details of his family later on.

[BAY CITY MOTORCYCLES]

...One way saving money and showing solidarity with their customers is for dealers to ‎withdraw their advertising spend from this tacky little newspaper. ‎

Talk to your local bike shop – boycott the Waikato Times!‎

Email sent....

[Crasherfromwayback]

Good idea Oscar. The guy is a twat.

[Quasievil]

Comment made using my business name and real name, email will follow

[Quasievil]

I think we should all full up there boxes with a few comments

here is a list of the email addys
go hard like us bikers do !!


marie.ward@waikatotimes.co.nz; news@waikatotimes.co.nz; sport@WaikatoTimes.co.nz; racing@waikatotimes.co.nz; business@waikato.co.nz; itimes@waikato.co.nz; photogs@waikatotimes.co.nz; michelle.coleman@waikatotimes.co.nz; newspapersales@waikatotimes.co.nz; joanne.roberts@waikatotimes.co.nz

[Bald Eagle]

I think we should all full up there boxes with a few comments

here is a list of the email addys
go hard like us bikers do !!


marie.ward@waikatotimes.co.nz; news@waikatotimes.co.nz; sport@WaikatoTimes.co.nz; racing@waikatotimes.co.nz; business@waikato.co.nz; itimes@waikato.co.nz; photogs@waikatotimes.co.nz; michelle.coleman@waikatotimes.co.nz; newspapersales@waikatotimes.co.nz; joanne.roberts@waikatotimes.co.nz

email sent

[willytheekid]

sent 6 emails so far :niceone:
Cheers to the boys above for the information and photo of the ugly fat lying prick!

(Fat boy has picked the WRONG! group to start a fight with me thinks:yes:)
http://www.cartoonstock.com/newscartoons/cartoonists/sra/lowres/sran267l.jpg

DING, DING KBers...round one begins!

[Quasievil]

How many people do you think we can organise for a protest outside their office ?

[Murray]

I think we should all full up there boxes with a few comments

here is a list of the email addys
go hard like us bikers do !!


marie.ward@waikatotimes.co.nz; news@waikatotimes.co.nz; sport@WaikatoTimes.co.nz; racing@waikatotimes.co.nz; business@waikato.co.nz; itimes@waikato.co.nz; photogs@waikatotimes.co.nz; michelle.coleman@waikatotimes.co.nz; newspapersales@waikatotimes.co.nz; joanne.roberts@waikatotimes.co.nz

You seem to have forgotten editor@waikatotimes.co.nz for letters to the editor -email sent be interesting to see whether it gets to print

[slofox]

email sent

...ditto...

[mattian]

The saddest part about it all is that he probably represents the view of quite alot of the motoring public that believe cars are the only vehicles that should have the right to use the road.

[bogan]

e-mails sent, wonder if they will take the hint (well in mine it was more of a 'bludgeon') that this might lose them some business?

[Road kill]

The guys just telling it like it is,,,I've read worse on this site.:violin:

[sil3nt]

The guys just telling it like it is,,,I've read worse on this site.:violin:Apparently you are reading a different article to everyone else.

[Kiwi Graham]

email sent, what a twat

[CaSket]

Emails sent

What a bloody Twat

Edit

^^^ Haha same as above lol

[Zedder]

How many people do you think we can organise for a protest outside their office ?

Name a time etc and let's see.

In the meantime I'm sending an email.

[BigAl]

Yeah we all disagree with his comments but what is protesting going to achieve?

While motorcycling is still a minority activity we will continue to get shafted by politicians, nzta, police etc.

So bend over boys.....:shit:

[marty]

it's a shit paper anyway - can't really boycott it any more than i do.

[mashman]

I think we should all full up there boxes with a few comments

here is a list of the email addys
go hard like us bikers do !!


marie.ward@waikatotimes.co.nz; news@waikatotimes.co.nz; sport@WaikatoTimes.co.nz; racing@waikatotimes.co.nz; business@waikato.co.nz; itimes@waikato.co.nz; photogs@waikatotimes.co.nz; michelle.coleman@waikatotimes.co.nz; newspapersales@waikatotimes.co.nz; joanne.roberts@waikatotimes.co.nz

Cheers Quas...

Emails sent...

[Ender EnZed]

I'll get the details of his family later on.

I like where this is going.

:corn:

[Virago]

...I'll get the details of his family later on.

Yeah - let's knee-cap his daughter...:blink:

[Mort]

What a tosser.

Email sent (for what good it may do)

[The Lone Rider]

As others... Emails have been sent.

More to follow on my side of things...

Edit-

Have you read some of the comments people have left on that page? Absolutely brilliant.

It is good to see people on here joining up for a cause. Previous occasions things have very quickly fizzled, or KBers spent their time insulting some other rider than addressing the underlying issue.

[ckai]

He's the type of person that would throw "you're a dick!" emails and letters into the paper just to prove his point that all bikers are muppets and we deserve what we get.

I guarantee my "these are the facts and if we all take your point of view then this is what would happen" email want get published.

I couldn't believe it would I read it though.

Deee ICK

[Big Dave]

I reckon Carver wrote it.

[steve_t]

That's disgusting. Propagating ignorant propaganda is what facebook is for, not a newspaper :angry:

[mashman]

<img src="http://static2.stuff.co.nz/1241011643/921/2373921.jpg" />

Spit in his face if you see him out and about.


It may just be me, but the blurred figure (to remain anonymous perhaps) looks like an old lady is giving him a blowy? and she's about to get the spit in the face

[Oscar]

I reckon Carver wrote it.

Nah. Too many big words and no misspellings.

[Zedder]

Yeah we all disagree with his comments but what is protesting going to achieve?

While motorcycling is still a minority activity we will continue to get shafted by politicians, nzta, police etc.

So bend over boys.....:shit:

It could be an opportunity for bikers to get their side of the story in the media via the NZ Herald or Campbell Live.

[Shadows]

My comment adheres to the terms and conditions but I'd be surprised if they post it. If they do they may inch slightly above rock bottom on the list of cunts that I like.

[Berries]

It may just be me, but the blurred figure (to remain anonymous perhaps) looks like an old lady is giving him a blowy? and she's about to get the spit in the face
Looking at the limp wrist I suspect an old man.

I would suggest though that the best response is for someone to contact the editor and ask for a right to reply. You can't help the fact that this is the way many people see motorcyclists. If you take out the last paragraph and ignore the 18% statistic quite a few on KB will agree with what he was saying.

[ckai]

Looking at the limp wrist I suspect an old man.

I would suggest though that the best response is for someone to contact the editor and ask for a right to reply. You can't help the fact that this is the way many people see motorcyclists. If you take out the last paragraph and ignore the 18% statistic quite a few on KB will agree with what he was saying.

The problem with many "jorno's" nowadays is they're lazy buggers. It seems editors are the worse (looking at some crap that's been written in other papers over the years). Whatever happened to doing a little more research? The lazy bugger just used the stats that was already written in the article earlier on in the paper. Bikers, and some car folk, know there are more stats to prove otherwise.

Yes an editorial is an opinion piece, but very few take it as that, and if you wanted to really get your point across wouldn't you at least find some more stats to back it up? Not mooch off your reporters and leave it at that. Especially if it's from a firm that is justifying price increases. That's really lazy. And not really unbiased, is it? :)

[Quasievil]

I had a reply, email string below for your information.


From: Quasimoto [mailto:quasimoto@ihug.co.nz]
Sent: Wednesday, 28 September 2011 1:34 p.m.
To: Marie Ward (Waikato Times); ** News (Waikato Times); ** Sport (Waikato Times); racing@waikatotimes.co.nz; business@waikato.co.nz; itimes@waikato.co.nz; photogs@waikatotimes.co.nz; Michelle Coleman (Waikato Times); ** Circulation (Waikato Times); Joanne Roberts (Waikato Times)
Subject: Poor Journalisim !!
Importance: High

http://www.stuff.co.nz/waikato-times/news/5689865/Editorial-Time-for-big-bikes-to-pay

It is unfortunate that the people who read this will be subjected to a completely one sided opinion that has basically followed the many mis truths and shallow commentaries that the politicians used for shafting the motorcyclists of NZ with the ACC fraud !
Hardly a solid piece of journalism and I find it rather shameful you call yourself a "newspaper" who on earth wrote this piece of crap anyway, no name !!
If I see a Waikato Times reporter at next years Charity Toy Run I will certainly raise how their paper (in this article) portrayed us as a pack of hooligans who deserve to be taxed of the road !!
pack of Pratts !!
Bret Glazer

p.s expect more angry bikers comments to follow !!


Bret Glazer
QMOTO
P: 07 854 7368
M: 0275 430 329
E: sales@qmoto.co.nz
W: www.qmoto.co.nz
Thank you for the reply


From: ** News (Waikato Times) [mailto:News@WaikatoTimes.co.nz]
Sent: Wednesday, 28 September 2011 2:44 p.m.
To: Quasimoto
Subject: RE: Poor Journalisim !!

Hi it was an editorial (opinion piece) you were reading, not a news article.
So it expresses the opinion of the writer.
I have forwarded your email on to him.
Regards

Do you people have no names? The “editorial” was not signed, neither was this email.

In respects to the subject matter if it was an editorial or an article makes little difference, the fact that it was published by your staff is all that matters to me and your readers.
Fact is that the article was nothing more than a Slag off at legitimate road users who have WITHOUT Doubt been targeted unfairly by the “no blame” ACC component of the registration fees, not to mention the very much so “twisted” information to enable it.

Tell me what other group of the population has been unfairly targeted ? rugby players? Bicycle riders? There are some very high stats for ACC use within these groups, but they are not singled out.

Waikato Times need to get a grip on the story and ACTUALLY tell it .
Waikato Times, HAVE NO MANDATE to establish a ANTI BIKER SENTIMENT From the motoring public !!!

Please pass that onto the nameless coward that rights such bollocks !!

Regards


(note name and business clearly identified below)

Bret Glazer
QMOTO
P: 07 854 7368
M: 0275 430 329
E: sales@qmoto.co.nz
W: www.qmoto.co.nz
________________________________________

[pzkpfw]

... Please pass that onto the nameless coward that rights such bollocks !! ...

Oops.

(Nice words, otherwise. Good stuff.)

[Quasievil]

Oops.

(Nice words, otherwise. Good stuff.)haha yeah that was pointed out eek

[willytheekid]

I had a reply, email string below for your information.

________________________________________

:clap::2thumbsup...great work Quasievil

....they havn't reply'd to my 6! emails....perhaps I shall send some more today.....without the "honest" opinion of the writer :innocent: (I used some rather "strong" words :laugh:)

Keep the emails flowing KBers

[BAY CITY MOTORCYCLES]

haha yeah that was pointed out eek

Wonder if they would publish a well worded article with an opinion from 'the other side'?
Would be a good test of their minerals

[nudemetalz]

Email sent ..

[bogan]

Oops.

(Nice words, otherwise. Good stuff.)

I have the feeling interacting with such idiots is liable to drag us down a bit too, I certainly didn't bother with too much spelling or grammar checks either!

[Oscar]

Wonder if they would publish a well worded article with an opinion from 'the other side'?
Would be a good test of their minerals

I don't want to test their minerals, I wanna test their exchequer.
Cancel your subscription, cancel your advertising!

[willytheekid]

My new email-

http://www.stuff.co.nz/waikato-times...g-bikes-to-pay

Thank you for publishing this utter drivel!

Never before have I seen such poor, one sided Journalisim make it to print/web.
Please pass on the absolute discust and anger from EVERY motorcyclist in NZ to the gutless "No Name" writer, who clearly has an issue with motorcyclists in NZ.
If you actually researched the facts on ACC statistics regarding motorcyclist claims and reported injuries you would quickly come to the desicion that this writer has made it his personal agenda to target motorcyclist (As have ACC)
The truth is we are paying for other peoples ACC cover, such as rugby players, farmers on their quads, cyclists and such.
When Nick Smith and his cronies decided to "lump" together ALL forms of motorcycle injuries (such as dirt & farm bike injuries), it did "appear" as tho motorcyclists where a high risk factor, But if you actually used some REAL Journalistic investigation (instead of just publishing this type of one sided crap!) you to would very quickly realise how unjustly we are being targeted, and forced to pay for the cover of others (as dirt bikes farm bikes etc don't pay rego fees, nor should they as ACC are now posting RECORD profits at our expensive!).
Your lack of professionalism and poor Journalisim has hit a nerve with EVERY motorcyclist in NZ, and as a group, we are VERY well informed and organised....expect repercussions! (pulling of advertising and dropped subscriptions $$$)
Please tell your so called "Journalists" to stay away from the MANY toy runs and fund raisers that we hold through out the year, as the reception they will recieve....may NOT be to their liking!
And as for the Gutless drivel who wrote this twisted article, may I strongly advise you recommend to him to either keep hiding, place a public apology or grow a pair and try selling this shit to our faces!

Absolutely Disgusted in you waikato times.
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And this was the NICE email

[Murray]

Why don't you tell them what you really think!!!

[nodrog]

Take it INTERNATIONAL!

[Katman]

Wow, you guys sure make us sound intelligent. :facepalm:

[Murray]

Wow, you guys sure make us sound intelligent. :facepalm:

Not hard to sound intelligent, when compared to the editorial!!!

[Katman]

Not hard to sound intelligent, when compared to the editorial!!!

I hope you didn't think I was serious.

[\m/]

I had a reply, email string below for your information.
"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Quasievil again."

[Scuba_Steve]

Take it INTERNATIONAL!

Like a BOSS!!!

[Murray]

I hope you didn't think I was serious.

You mean there's another side to you??

[nodrog]

You mean there's another side to you??

Yeah, flip him over, he likes it.

[willytheekid]

Wow, you guys sure make us sound intelligent. :facepalm:

Yup, we's bun schooled real gud!
http://ak.buy.com/PI/0/500/211548615.jpg

[BAY CITY MOTORCYCLES]

I don't want to test their minerals, I wanna test their exchequer.
Cancel your subscription, cancel your advertising!

No need as our shop is out of their 'coverage', however I have certainly spoken in person with a croud closely associated with them explaining our serious disguist.
They apologised to me (dunno why,wasn't them) and assured me that they did not condone the bs.
I can also assure you that the article certainly has done the rounds in the industry

[Oscar]

No need as our shop is out of their 'coverage', however I have certainly spoken in person with a croud closely associated with them explaining our serious disguist.
They apologised to me (dunno why,wasn't them) and assured me that they did not condone the bs.
I can also assure you that the article certainly has done the rounds in the industry

Good work. Keep fighting the good fight.

[mashman]

did anyone point out that in 1999 there were 42 motorcycle deaths and in 2009 there were 48 motorcycle deaths. How is that an increase in the last decade of 66%? isn't it more like 12.5%? Not ideal, but far less of an increase than "reported"

[awa355]

Have also sent E mails. Probably been deleted without reading but the point is made.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Yeah, flip him over, he likes it.

Stop it. You'll get Jimmy all jealous.

[Zedder]

Did BRONZ or MAG do anything about getting the true facts of the story across?

[bogan]

Did BRONZ or MAG do anything about getting the true facts of the story across?

I (mag member) sent in our factsheet on the cc risk factors, and explained where the 18x comes from and the just over 3x it should be replaced with. Others should send em the same info too, multiple sources will be more likely to get noticed. Have not heard anything back though.

[Quasievil]

Did BRONZ or MAG do anything about getting the true facts of the story across?

Sorry Who ?

[Zedder]

I (mag member) sent in our factsheet on the cc risk factors, and explained where the 18x comes from and the just over 3x it should be replaced with. Others should send em the same info too, multiple sources will be more likely to get noticed. Have not heard anything back though.

Sure, but something official from MAG in the Herald (rival to Fairfax) wouldn't go amiss.

Does MAG have a media spokeperson, PR etc?

[Murray]

Just looked through this mornings edition of Waikato times - still no comment - no letters to the editor printed. Oh well may give it one more day and then cancel the subscription. Stupid anyway it now comes out in the morning, along with the herald:facepalm:

[bogan]

Sure, but something official from MAG in the Herald (rival to Fairfax) wouldn't go amiss.

Does MAG have a media spokeperson, PR etc?

Hmmm, I think it would need to be fairly different from what I sent these plonkers :lol:, and papers couldn't print the attachment obviously, also I think they would be wary of getting into a cross paper shit-fight. But the idea is good, so will see what we can come up with.

Nah no media spokesperson, we try to encourage everyone to volunteer whatever they can, rather than putting all the responsibility on only a few people. So on that note, sign up to the forum on our site (we just gone with a new host and signup is now free), i'll put up a thread for it at some point, or whoever else can if they get there first.

[Zedder]

Hmmm, I think it would need to be fairly different from what I sent these plonkers :lol:, and papers couldn't print the attachment obviously, also I think they would be wary of getting into a cross paper shit-fight. But the idea is good, so will see what we can come up with.

Nah no media spokesperson, we try to encourage everyone to volunteer whatever they can, rather than putting all the responsibility on only a few people. So on that note, sign up to the forum on our site (we just gone with a new host and signup is now free), i'll put up a thread for it at some point, or whoever else can if they get there first.

Good, all it needs is a "We'd like to put the record straight" pitch. The Herald, having a nationwide circulation (and therefore reach), is a start and maybe they would like a bit of a stoush with Fairfax just for the sake of market share.

Who knows, if you word it right it might get all who are anti-ACC, and let's face it not only bikers are affected, to do something.

Don't take this the wrong way, but MAG should have nurtured media contacts. It's all about communication.

[Bald Eagle]

I'm reminded of a qutoe from somewhere - something about dead horses and flogging. If the mass media and tptb didn't listen to the corrected data since ages ago I don't see them suddenly overcoming their myopic deafness. ( and yes i know it's a mixed metaphor )

[Katman]

I'm reminded of a qutoe from somewhere - something about dead horses and flogging. If the mass media and tptb didn't listen to the corrected data since ages ago I don't see them suddenly overcoming their myopic deafness. ( and yes i know it's a mixed metaphor )

Maybe then, it's time we started putting some serious effort into drastically reducing the number of accidents we're having - so we've got some data they can't possibly argue with.

But there I go again - flogging that proverbial horse.

[nodrog]

Giddy up!


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[Clockwork]

Maybe then, it's time we started putting some serious effort into drastically reducing the number of accidents we're having - so we've got some data they can't possibly argue with.

But there I go again - flogging that proverbial horse.

Every time I get on my bike I try real hard to not crash (so far so good). Doesn't everyone?

[Zedder]

I'm reminded of a qutoe from somewhere - something about dead horses and flogging. If the mass media and tptb didn't listen to the corrected data since ages ago I don't see them suddenly overcoming their myopic deafness. ( and yes i know it's a mixed metaphor )

But if the media release to the Herald is correctly written it would include "and look what we bikers are doing to improve safety" etc etc. That's part of setting the record straight. Do the public know what's going on? They only know what they're told....

[Katman]

Every time I get on my bike I try real hard to not crash (so far so good). Doesn't everyone?

Plenty don't try hard enough.

[Berries]

But if the media release to the Herald is correctly written it would include "and look what we bikers are doing to improve safety" etc etc. That's part of setting the record straight. Do the public know what's going on?
Do we? I have no idea what you are referring to here. What are 'we' doing to improve safety?

[Zedder]

Do we? I have no idea what you are referring to here. What are 'we' doing to improve safety?

So you obviously haven't read the MAG-NZ and BRONZ web sites and seen the info on the Kiwi Biker mentoring programme etc.

[Scuba_Steve]

Plenty don't try hard enough.

yes not everyone yet has the psychic jedi mind powers & reflexes of Katman

[BAY CITY MOTORCYCLES]

yes not everyone yet has the psychic jedi mind powers & reflexes of Katman

This is quite true sir, but certainly something to strive for surely :scooter:

[avgas]

yes not everyone yet has the psychic jedi mind powers & reflexes of Katman
Some people can't eat with chop sticks, but I try not hold that against them.
Always time to learn.

[willytheekid]

yes not everyone yet has the psychic jedi mind powers & reflexes of Katman

...you mean "don't ride a bike at all"? :innocent: (As repeated requests for video proof of said Jedi skills have been ignored)

I hear the message, and totally agree:yes:...but were all still waiting for the examples (So we can all escalate to said greatness :not:)

[Clockwork]

Plenty don't try hard enough.

OK, if I try harder will it improve the stats?

[nodrog]

Whatever you do, dont cross the streams!

[Katman]

This is quite true sir, but certainly something to strive for surely :scooter:

I'm pleased you didn't use the words "aim for".

[Ocean1]

Every time I get on my bike I try real hard to not crash (so far so good). Doesn't everyone?

Katflap figures having your spleen redistributed randomly around your thoracic cavity is nowhere near as effective a disincentive as having a semi-literate old man bitching about something he can’t quite articulate.

[Katman]

Katflap figures having your spleen redistributed randomly around your thoracic cavity is nowhere near as effective a disincentive as having a semi-literate old man bitching about something he can’t quite articulate.

Wha? :scratch:

[Berries]

So you obviously haven't read the MAG-NZ and BRONZ web sites and seen the info on the Kiwi Biker mentoring programme etc.
No, I haven't.

I have seen the ME after some names on here and know it means mentor but that is as far as my knowledge on the matter goes.

I looked at the MAG web site when they started up but not since. To be honest I thought they had folded because they entered here screaming and shouting but then went all quiet. BRONZ has never interested me.

[Zedder]

No, I haven't.

I have seen the ME after some names on here and know it means mentor but that is as far as my knowledge on the matter goes.

I looked at the MAG web site when they started up but not since. To be honest I thought they had folded because they entered here screaming and shouting but then went all quiet. BRONZ has never interested me.

No problem, thanks for your honest and pleasant reply.

[davereid]

letter sent...

I am writing about this article http://www.stuff.co.nz/waikato-times/news/5689865/Editorial-Time-for-big-bikes-to-pay recently published by your newspaper.

It is factually incorrect and misleading, and shows the writer has failed to conduct any research of consequence what so ever.

NZTA figures show that motorcyclists are entirely responsible for under one-half of accidents that they are involved in, meaning on average they are slightly better than the norm.

A fair insurance scheme would apportion costs to the person liable for the accident not the victim.

This would mean that the average motorcyclist should pay less than the average motorist.

Consider too, that a large part of ACCs costs is related to earnings related compensation.

Thus the levy paid by pensioners, beneficiaries and low income earners provides them with little or no earnings related compensation.

However an ACC account manager on $100,000, has $100,000 worth of cover, and yet pays the same levy.

Most New Zealanders ask only two things of ACC.

That it adhere to its "no fault, no blame" founding policy, and that it collect levies in a balanced and fair manner.

In my opinion, ACC is making a poor job of both.

[bogan]

I looked at the MAG web site when they started up but not since. To be honest I thought they had folded because they entered here screaming and shouting but then went all quiet. BRONZ has never interested me.

Not folded, but there wasn't support for the screaming and shouting approach, plenty would call for it, fewer seemed prepared to turn up, and not enough prepared to help out.

[davereid]

Did any of our letters actually end up in the paper ?

[BAY CITY MOTORCYCLES]

I'm pleased you didn't use the words "aim for".

I am pleased that you are pleased Steve :love:

[p.dath]

The most powerful protest against a newspaper is to ignore it - and not publicise it further (which is exactly what they want).

[avgas]

The most powerful protest against a newspaper is to ignore it - and not publicise it further (which is exactly what they want).
I dunno - burning a whole lot of papers outside their office could be interesting :shutup:

[Quasievil]

The most powerful protest against a newspaper is to ignore it - and not publicise it further (which is exactly what they want).

Not in this case we are a minority, we need to tell them exactly what we think
we need to give them absolute shit

[Murray]

One on Friday and 2 today from Robin Boom & David Reid

[Big Dave]

The most powerful protest against a newspaper is to ignore it.

Nope - it isn't. That only works if you are a large majority. And then only for a few days.

[Zedder]

Not in this case we are a minority, we need to tell them exactly what we think
we need to give them absolute shit

What do you suggest?

[davereid]

One on Friday and 2 today from Robin Boom & David Reid

At least writing to the editor was not a complete waste of electrons, thanks for that feedback Murray

[Zedder]

At least writing to the editor was not a complete waste of electrons, thanks for that feedback Murray

It's not really a case of "give them absolute shit" as Quasievil wanted though.

[Quasievil]

It's not really a case of "give them absolute shit" as Quasievil wanted though.

Thats possibly true, but remember there has been so much done thus far (which I have been part of) simply "giving them shit" is ok for many, especially based on the fact all efforts so far have resulted in fuck all.

what do you suggest

[mashman]

what do you suggest

Wipe yer arse with the paper and then decorate their windows with it :rofl: (not a serious suggestion)

[Ender EnZed]

..."giving them shit"...

what do you suggest

Someone in Hamiltron sets fire to a bag of shit and leaves it on his doorstep.


I'm confident this will greatly improve motorcyclist/media relations.

[Zedder]

Thats possibly true, but remember there has been so much done thus far (which I have been part of) simply "giving them shit" is ok for many, especially based on the fact all efforts so far have resulted in fuck all.

what do you suggest

The problem with sending the Waikato Times letters etc is that they control what they do with them. That's why I suggested the Herald.

I did post a comment about naming a time and place when you asked about a protest initially and it's a pity MAG didn't contact the Herald, but we have lost the element of immediacy now.

Maybe contacting the guy who wrote the article directly and asking him for a retraction might get something going again. If he doesn't do anything positive then ask the Herald if they would be interested in the story and add a protest action to it as well.

[Big Dave]

what do you suggest

Facts, quotes and reasoned argument presented professionally without being rude.

[Big Dave]

then ask the Herald if they would be interested .

They aren't. Another publication's editorial policy is the other publication's business.

[Bender]

Then why are all media carrying the story about the press council looking at a complaint about the PM fronting a Radio Live show for an hour last week?


If the story is big enough, they'll cover it all right.


Herald and WT being on opposite sides of the fence...

[slofox]

Times published part of my letter - left out the stats I offered them. No comment about the stats - funny that...

[Ender EnZed]

Then why are all media carrying the story about the press council looking at a complaint about the PM fronting a Radio Live show for an hour last week?


If the story is big enough, they'll cover it all right.

It isn't.<DEL>

[Katman]

Facts, quotes and reasoned argument presented professionally without being rude.

*chortle*<hgvhgvhjv>

[Zedder]

They aren't. Another publication's editorial policy is the other publication's business.

That's not true DB, the Herald would print a story giving the true facts.

[Big Dave]

Broadly speaking, the formula is:
If we give a rival publication column inches will it garner them more readers?
If the answer is yes then they let it slide.
Particularly as this is a trivial matter to a large majority.

It would need something 'sensationalist' to make the cut.

[Big Dave]

ooops - duplicate post

[Usarka]

Facts, quotes and reasoned argument presented professionally without being rude.

Fuck off they won't listen to that shit.

[Big Dave]

Fuck off they won't listen to that shit.

OK - run with 'Dear fascist bully boy,...'

[Zedder]

Broadly speaking, the formula is:
If we give a rival publication column inches will it garner them more readers?
If the answer is yes then they let it slide.
Particularly as this is a trivial matter to a large majority.

It would need something 'sensationalist' to make the cut.

That's interesting Dave because you've gone from: "They aren't. Another publications editorial policy...." to "Broadly speaking, the formula is....."

When I rang them earlier, they said they would be interested in the story and I didn't mention a possible protest action or anything sensational.

[Big Dave]

There's no contradiction in what I said and I can't be arsed arguing the toss any further.
Good luck with your efforts. Hope it pays off.

[Shadows]

Is it just me, or does anybody else think that the way we carry on about being persecuted all the time makes us sound worse than a pack of Jews? :violin:

[Big Dave]

Is it just me,

Don't forget that social media isn't the real world. In a balanced outlook anyway.

[Shadows]

Don't forget that social media isn't the real world. In a balanced outlook anyway.

If it offends then please feel free to substitute, Maori, Poms, or Samoan Rugby Players.

[Big Dave]

If it offends then please feel free to substitute, Maori, Poms, or Samoan Rugby Players.

You'd have to do a lot worse than KB to offend me mate. :-)

[davereid]

...published part of my letter - left out the stats....


Hmm does anyone have a copy of the paper with my letter in that they could scan for me ?

I don't get the damn silly rag, and I would like to know if they edited my letter like they did yours...

[NordieBoy]

OK - run with 'Dear fascist bully boy,...'

Signed with "Love Neil" of course.

[Oscar]

Is it just me, or does anybody else think that the way we carry on about being persecuted all the time makes us sound worse than a pack of Jews? :violin:

"A pack of Jews"?

You're a class act...

[Zedder]

It isn't.<DEL>

While this story itself might not be deemed big, the issue of wrong information being published by the media is big.

[willytheekid]

............and it's a pity MAG didn't contact the Herald, but we have lost the element of immediacy now.
.

A pitty...yes. :yes:
A surprise MAG didn't do anything...no :no:

[steve_t]

"A pack of Jews"?

You're a class act...

Don't give him what he wants!

[Oscar]

Don't give him what he wants!

I’m not sure what he wanted, but if it was contempt he was after, he got mine…‎


...what a dickwad.

[bogan]

A pitty...yes. :yes:
A surprise MAG didn't do anything...no :no:

Also a pity the instigator of the idea didn't help follow through with it, but a surprise? no.

[Oscar]

Also a pity the instigator of the idea didn't help follow through with it, but a surprise? no.

Me?

I wrote to them, cancelled my subscription and wound up several local bike dealers.

[bogan]

Me?

I wrote to them, cancelled my subscription and wound up several local bike dealers.

Nah not you, was talking about the people who expect MAG to run with their ideas, but aren't willing to help out.

[Zedder]

Nah not you, was talking about the people who expect MAG to run with their ideas, but aren't willing to help out.

If you're talking about me, I asked a question initially, it wasn't an idea.

Here's another one: Don't you think it would have been much more effective for MAG to have contacted the Herald instead of a member of the public?

[Oscar]

Nah not you, was talking about the people who expect MAG to run with their ideas, but aren't willing to help out.

Oh, OK - carry on...

[Big Dave]

Me?

I wrote to them, cancelled my subscription and wound up several local bike dealers.

You wind-up bike dealers just parking out front!

[bogan]

If you're talking about me, I asked a question initially, it wasn't an idea.

Here's another one: Don't you think it would have been much more effective for MAG to have contacted the Herald instead of a member of the public?

But the question developed into an idea, otherwise how could you say the oppourtunity was missed?

It depends on how it is written and for what purpose, some of our previous responses had any MAG association removed before print. TBH I didn't initially realise your idea was to create a stoush between the two media companies. In this aim I don't think it would make any difference who sends it in as I reckon it'd be binned regardless. But can't see any harm in trying, either personally, or under the MAG name.

[Zedder]

But the question developed into an idea, otherwise how could you say the oppourtunity was missed?

It depends on how it is written and for what purpose, some of our previous responses had any MAG association removed before print. TBH I didn't initially realise your idea was to create a stoush between the two media companies. In this aim I don't think it would make any difference who sends it in as I reckon it'd be binned regardless. But can't see any harm in trying, either personally, or under the MAG name.

My inital question was about putting the true facts across. That was the goal.

I wrote that the Herald may like a stoush over market share which is an accepted objective of sales and marketing.

The Herald would not have binned it, they (editorial newsdesk) told me they would be interested in publishing the story when I rang them yesterday after Big Dave said they wouldn't go for it.

Who better to approach them than an organisiation that's supposedly for Bikers?

[bogan]

My inital question was about putting the true facts across. That was the goal.

I wrote that the Herald may like a stoush over market share which is an accepted objective of sales and marketing.

The Herald would not have binned it, they (editorial newsdesk) told me they would be interested in publishing the story when I rang them yesterday after Big Dave said they wouldn't go for it.

Who better to approach them than an organisiation that's supposedly for Bikers?

Well it sounds like you have already done a good amount of work on it then, why not draft something up, run it through the MAG forum and get some more info/filler/grammar check/etc, then send it in with the MAG name attached.

[Big Dave]

I'm 'interested' in what Indy says too - but I wouldn't publish it :laugh:

[Oscar]

You wind-up bike dealers just parking out front!

I was just at Boyd Motorcycles.
They love me for my singular talent of making large expensive knobblie tyres disappear very quickly...:facepalm:

[Zedder]

Well it sounds like you have already done a good amount of work on it then, why not draft something up, run it through the MAG forum and get some more info/filler/grammar check/etc, then send it in with the MAG name attached.

Let me get this straight:

You want me to write something and run it through your MAG forum then send it in myself (if it's got the ok) as if I'm from MAG when I'm not even associated with MAG, nor am I a copy writer?

Would you like me to clean your bike for you as well?

PS: Check out Davereids post about his letter earlier in the thread maybe you just do something like that.

[Big Dave]

I was just at Boyd Motorcycles.
They love me for my singular talent of making large expensive knobblie tyres disappear very quickly...:facepalm:

Remember that Capital Coast where we destroyed 2 sets over the weekend!

Ooops - off topic.

[bogan]

Let me get this straight:

You want me to write something and run it through your MAG forum then send it in myself (if it's got the ok) as if I'm from MAG when I'm not even associated with MAG, nor am I a copy writer?

Would you like me to clean your bike for you as well?

PS: Check out Davereids post about his letter earlier in the thread maybe you just do something like that.

No thanks, I'm pretty particular about being the only one working on or riding my bike.

To clarify, MAG is not my organisation, I don't get anything from it, it is there to benefit the NZ motorcyclist, and we are always looking for members who will be active. I figure since you have an idea of what you want to happen over this issue, and it involves getting the backing of an organisation, you could be the type of member we need. To put it simply, all you need to do to make MAG your organisation too, is sign up to the site and get stuck in.

[Quasievil]

Im about to start my own motorcycle lobby group the name of the group is undecided but "the silent" or "we forgot" and or possibly "we are over it but like pretending"
seem like suitable names.

Okay that was naughty, but Im not the group or organisation pretending to be a lobby group or action group, those people seem to have vanished up their own arses into a world of self belief and uselessness

I dont want to be involved in the organisation of such groups, there are plenty of people already involved, I Have and will support whatever initiative they create, but where are they ?

[bogan]

Im about to start my own motorcycle lobby group the name of the group is undecided but "the silent" or "we forgot" and or possibly "we are over it but like pretending"
seem like suitable names.

Okay that was naughty, but Im not the group or organisation pretending to be a lobby group or action group, those people seem to have vanished up their own arses into a world of self belief and uselessness

I dont want to be involved in the organisation of such groups, there are plenty of people already involved, I Have and will support whatever initiative they create, but where are they ?

Have you considered that it might just be something simple like a lack of active members? You are talking about volunteer organisations remember. Don't get me wrong, vanishing up ones own arse could be a neat trick, and possibly a defense mechanism if performed quickly enough, but I don't think it is the most likely scenario here.

[carver]

I reckon Carver wrote it.


Nah. Too many big words and no misspellings.



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I used to work for em, pretty shoddy outfit