Red Light Cameras

[superman]

Coming soon to a place near you (if you're a suburban/city dweller)

http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/red-light-cameras-earn-big-reduce-crashes-4428529

30% of urban motorcycle fatalities occur at intersections, and 51% of urban motorcycle injuries. Hopefully these can reduce that significantly!

[Gremlin]

So the other 25% of people in the study were the ones running red lights?

I definitely approve of these cameras... :yes:

[Murray]

Think how much more money they could make if cyclists had registration plates!!! If they did we could start charging them ACC levies too!!!:woohoo:

[willytheekid]

This sounds like a great idea!

The amount of bikes hit at intersections in NZ is ridiculous!
So now when some poor biker gets cut down...left unconsious & unable to tell their side of the event...the camera can be used to see what REALLY happened...instead of just relying on the car drivers account "who didn't see us".


Think how much more money they could make if cyclists had registration plates!!! If they did we could start charging them ACC levies too!!!:woohoo:

LOL...don't ya wish! (totally agree by the way)

[Scuba_Steve]

be careful what y'all wish for, these cameras see an increase in accidents in general (mostly nose to tails) & false convictions. They are a "good intention road to hell"

[JimO]

there is one intersection in dunedin that definitely needs a camera, every day i see trucks going through on red, doesnt matter what time of the day, you cant just go on the green because the cunts coming the other way keep comming

[scumdog]

Red light cameras?

We don't need no red-light cameras

Cos we aint got no traffic lights.

The down-side of living in a small town I guess...

[JimO]

Red light cameras?

We don't need no red-light cameras

Cos we aint got no traffic lights.

The down-side of living in a small town I guess...

do you have any donut shops?? :bleh:

[scumdog]

do you have any donut shops?? :bleh:

I wish.

Subway don't sell them...:crybaby:

[JimO]

I wish.

Subway don't sell them...:crybaby:

sux being a small town rozzer:yes:

[scumdog]

sux being a small town rozzer:yes:

Hmm, better than having the Pine-Hill drongos around though..

[Scuba_Steve]

Red light cameras?

We don't need no red-light cameras

Cos we aint got no traffic lights.

The down-side of living in a small town I guess...

:blink: down-side??? your've never met the traffic light then??? it brings the flow of traffic & IQ of drivers down substantially

[scumdog]

:blink: down-side??? your've never met the traffic light then??? it brings the flow of traffic & IQ of drivers down substantially

Other 'down-sides' of a small town:

No roundabouts
No parking meters
No lanes to split.
No fixed speed-cameras
There's probably more...

[JimO]

Hmm, better than having the Pine-Hill drongos around though..

i was heading to a job in Pine Hill on thursday and got stopped at a roadblock, there would have been a dozen cop cars a big police van and about 20 armed cops milling about, the chief was doing a TV interview and up the road a bit there were about 20 black power gorillas lined up outside the house, i suggested to the nice police man with the rifle that we wouldnt mind if they shot the lot of them, he just smiled and redirected me. Reading the paper it seems that there are reinforcements from the plack bower in town from Timaru and tonight i spotted a few mungies outside a house in Corstiphine, usually you never see the gangs about. It would be nice if they all disappeared one night, perhaps beamed up into a alien spaceship to be probed or even as bait in crayfish pots

[scumdog]

i was heading to a job in Pine Hill on thursday and got stopped at a roadblock, there would have been a dozen cop cars a big police van and about 20 armed cops milling about, the chief was doing a TV interview and up the road a bit there were about 20 black power gorillas lined up outside the house, i suggested to the nice police man with the rifle that we wouldnt mind if they shot the lot of them, he just smiled and redirected me. Reading the paper it seems that there are reinforcements from the plack bower in town from Timaru and tonight i spotted a few mungies outside a house in Corstiphine, usually you never see the gangs about. It would be nice if they all disappeared one night, perhaps beamed up into a alien spaceship to be probed or even as bait in crayfish pots

Ah, the perks of living in a city...

[FJRider]

...There's probably more...

A choice of ... ONE supermarket ... :facepalm:
The flea markets ... have REAL fleas ... :blink:
If you run about NAKED ... just once ... its front page news ... :innocent:

[Swoop]

More red-light cameras?

Bring it on! THAT is doing something for road safety.

[Grasshopperus]

Other 'down-sides' of a small town:

No roundabouts
No lanes to split.


I lulz'd. Those things are good fun :woohoo:

[Berries]

there is one intersection in dunedin that definitely needs a camera, every day i see trucks going through on red, doesnt matter what time of the day, you cant just go on the green because the cunts coming the other way keep comming
The signals in Dunedin are shit.

[FJRider]

The signals in Dunedin are shit.

The signals in Alex are ... Oh wait ... we haven't got any ... :violin:

Oh dear ... how sad ... never mind ... :innocent:

[Berries]

They are going to wait a couple of years until you all know how to use a roundabout first.

[Kickaha]

The signals in Dunedin are shit.
Down the one ways they are ok, you can get through the whole city without stopping, which is my preferred way of visiting Dunnedin


They are going to wait a couple of years until you all know how to use a roundabout first.
A couple of year may be a bit optimistic

[Berries]

Down the one ways they are ok, you can get through the whole city without stopping, which is my preferred way of visiting Dunnedin
Too true. But try crossing the one ways though. Pain in the arse. I am happy to admit that at night I will give up waiting at a red light if there is absolutely no traffic going past and no reason for the light not to be green. They should change, they don't, they're shit.

Mind you, about a third of crashes at signals in Dunedin are caused by proper red light running - high speed and don't care. You made me wonder now whether these are all people heading out of town on the one way and just wanting to get the hell out of there?

[JimO]

the intersection i was mentioning is the one at the corner of the oval, where you turn onto motorway (if you can call it a motorway)

[Berries]

This one. (http://www.nzta.govt.nz/traffic/current-conditions/webcams/dunedin.html) Yes, use it everyday and people always push it.

[Scuba_Steve]

Hey I've just had a thought here too. Not sure how many of you have met this situation, but I've had to run a few reds in my life because the earlier "smart lights" don't pickup bikes. These cams don't know circumstance so as well as being unsafe they're going to be an annoyance if ever you are in this situation, do you chance a scam or do you wait another couple hrs for the possibility that a car may show which then you'd have to maneuver to let them in-front of you as most won't pickup the car when it's behind the bike either.

Some quotes for the people who like the idea of Red light cameras from the places that already have them

"Red-light cameras just reward cities for bad engineering,"

"accidents INCREASED at red light camera intersections"
"Halloway had fallen for ATS’ slick sales fantasy of safety and profits and didn’t want to believe the news that could jeopardize the city’s cash cow, “That’s nonsense. Where are you getting your data?” City Councilor Ken Halloway asked. After being shown the data from the city, he still didn’t want to accept the harsh reality
Believe it councilman, your city is just one on the growing list of cities where red light cameras have been proven to be deadly and dangerous:
Upland, CA
Peoria, AZ
Grande Prairie, AB
San Bernadino, CA
Costa Mesa, CA
El Monte, CA
Loma Linda, CA
What do these cities all have in common? They all have what is referred to as “infomercial syndrome.” The city councils were mesmerized by the incredible claims and smooth presentation… increased safety… easy money… won’t cost you anything… we take care of everything. It’s so easy! Act Now! And just like the consumer who bought an Ab Roller expecting amazing results, these cities are realizing that the claims are all bogus. In reality, the answers are simple, but they are the answers that no one wants to hear. The person who bought the Ab Roller really just needs a trainer and a gym membership. The cities that bought red light cameras need to order an honest traffic engineering study for each problem location and listen the advice of true unbiased professionals"

"Florida Public Health Review published a research paper that concluded the cameras “actually increase crashes and injuries, providing a safety argument not to install them.” In particular, there has been a dramatic increase in rear-end collisions, suggesting that people are slamming on their brakes to avoid a ticket. Similarly, a 2005 Washington Post report found that after the city installed its traffic light cameras, collisions at the camera-equipped intersections went up rather than down. But the cameras brought the city $32 million in revenue. So rather than halting the program, the city chose to expand it."

[GrayWolf]

Hey I've just had a thought here too. Not sure how many of you have met this situation, but I've had to run a few reds in my life because the earlier "smart lights" don't pickup bikes. These cams don't know circumstance so as well as being unsafe they're going to be an annoyance if ever you are in this situation, do you chance a scam or do you wait another couple hrs for the possibility that a car may show which then you'd have to maneuver to let them in-front of you as most won't pickup the car when it's behind the bike either.

In particular, there has been a dramatic increase in rear-end collisions, suggesting that people are slamming on their brakes to avoid a ticket. Similarly, a 2005 Washington Post report found that after the city installed its traffic light cameras, collisions at the camera-equipped intersections went up rather than down. But the cameras brought the city $32 million in revenue. So rather than halting the program, the city chose to expand it."[/I]

Having read that?? Lol bring it on, I can just envisage the 'CARnage that would ensue on the Hutt Motorway.... Moral of the story? If ya hit the car in front up the arse? You were too farking close!!! If the drongo's in the USA havent worked this out by now??
Hmmm now transpose those thoughts to the lights at the Haywards or the Totora park lights?? Got a cumfy seat and some popcorn for the show??

[Road kill]

be careful what y'all wish for, these cameras see an increase in accidents in general (mostly nose to tails) & false convictions. They are a "good intention road to hell"

Yep an then it'll be wall to wall threads by clowns from Dunedin about "I stopped because I thought the light was going to go Orange "an got run over by six trucks,two cars, an a van full of coconuts!
Damn,it'll be like living in Ponsonby during the 60's all over again.:facepalm:

[rebyl]

Most Dangerous time at intersection controlled by lights is the first 3 seconds after the light goes Green in your favour...Remember to take another look just as you go to wheel stand through the lights to beat that plonker next to you cause you are just so quick..you may just see the real plonker sailing through on the Red that he thought he could beat....If this happens to you, chase em down and beat them senseless:woohoo:...just kidding:scooter:

[jazfender]

yay more cameras!

[scumdog]

easy money… won’t cost you anything… we take care of everything. the cameras brought the city $32 million in revenue. So rather than halting the program, the city chose to expand it."[/I]

Ah well, if red-light runner losers are around why not fleece some money off them?

[JimO]

a van full of coconuts!
Damn,it'll be like living in Ponsonby during the 60's all over again.:facepalm:

we dont have van loads of coconuts here

[Milts]

[...]

"Red-light cameras just reward cities for bad engineering,"

"accidents INCREASED at red light camera intersections"
"Halloway had fallen for ATS’ slick sales fantasy of safety and profits and didn’t want to believe the news that could jeopardize the city’s cash cow, “That’s nonsense. Where are you getting your data?” City Councilor Ken Halloway asked. After being shown the data from the city, he still didn’t want to accept the harsh reality [...]
What do these cities all have in common? They all have what is referred to as “infomercial syndrome.” The city councils were mesmerized by the incredible claims and smooth presentation… increased safety… easy money… won’t cost you anything… we take care of everything. It’s so easy! Act Now! And just like the consumer who bought an Ab Roller expecting amazing results, these cities are realizing that the claims are all bogus. In reality, the answers are simple, but they are the answers that no one wants to hear. The person who bought the Ab Roller really just needs a trainer and a gym membership. The cities that bought red light cameras need to order an honest traffic engineering study for each problem location and listen the advice of true unbiased professionals"
[...]

As much as I would love to agree with you, try reading the actual research rather than the rhetoric of camera oponents. You'll find that although nose to tail crashes increase slightly total crashes decrase and fatalities significantly decrease. This is consistent between cities over different time periods (i.e. crashes reduce after cameras are instated) and between different, population controlled cities (i.e. you compare city A with cameras to a similar city B without).


This strong public support confirms that red light camera opponents, although vocal and often influential, are in the minority. Previous surveys have also found widespread support for red light cameras but opponents continue to claim that the programs violate privacy and is a way for cities to generate revenue. Red light cameras save lives. The article shows how the 14 cities that had cameras in 2004-2008 but did not have them in an earlier comparison, automated red light enforcement saved 159 lives.


Objective: To estimate the effects of red light camera enforcement on per capita fatal crash rates at intersections with signal lights. Methods: From the 99 large US cities with more than 200,000 residents in 2008, 14 cities were identified with red light camera enforcement programs during 2004-08 but not during 1992-96, and 48 cities were identified without camera programs during either period. Analyses compared the citywide per capita rate of fatal red light running crashes and the citywide per capita rate of all fatal crashes at signalized intersections during the two study periods, and rate changes then were compared for cities with and without cameras programs. Poisson regression was used to model crash rates as a function of red light camera enforcement, land area, and population density. Results: The average annual rate of fatal red light running crashes declined for both study groups, but the decline was larger for cities with red light camera enforcement programs than for cities without camera programs (35 vs. 14 percent). The average annual rate of all fatal crashes at signalized intersections decreased by 14 percent for cities with camera programs and increased slightly (2 percent) for cities without cameras. After controlling for population density and land area, the rate of fatal red light running crashes during 2004-08 for cities with camera programs was an estimated 24 percent lower than what would have been expected without cameras. The rate of all fatal crashes at signalized intersections during 2004-08 for cities with camera programs was an estimated 17 percent lower than what would have been expected without cameras. Conclusions: Red light camera enforcement programs reduce the citywide rate of fatal red light running crashes and, to a lesser but still significant extent, the rate of all fatal crashes at signalized intersections. Cities wishing to reduce fatal crashes at signalized intersections should consider red light camera enforcement


The above quotes are from an engineering research database. Records can be found here:

http://trid.trb.org/view/2011/C/1113065

http://trid.trb.org/view/2011/M/1106474

http://trid.trb.org/view/2011/M/1090406

[Berries]

Yep an then it'll be wall to wall threads by clowns from Dunedin about "I stopped because I thought the light was going to go Orange "an got run over by six trucks,two cars, an a van full of coconuts!
What's a coconut?

[JimO]

What's a coconut?

islander...... samoan or tongan usually

[Berries]

islander...... samoan or tongan usually
What, they let them drive actual cars in Auckland?

Farrrrrrk.

[JimO]

What, they let them drive actual cars in Auckland?

Farrrrrrk.

cant be any worse than the asian who drove his rental car into the surf at Katiki Beach....http://www.odt.co.nz/news/your-news/180177/now-where-did-we-park-car

[Berries]

Bloody Aucklanders.