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mashman

2nd October 2011, 09:39

Indiana_Jones

2nd October 2011, 10:10

I think Ourumov sums it up best

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-Indy

MIXONE

2nd October 2011, 10:22

Fatmax will want to start a protest ride.

Ocean1

2nd October 2011, 10:30

Why do these things always have to be dealt with via taxation?

Yeah. Sorry about that. They're after me, see, you guys are just what they call collateral damage.

Can't remember where it started but later on it was the day I bought a diesel van. Thought I was beeing a frugal wee pixie. The next day they proposed extra taxes on diesel vehicles.

Big bikes: Tax the fuck outa them fuckers.

Cheesburgers, now.

Still, look on the bright side, they're running out of shit to tax.

SHIT!!

Ah fuck...

FUCKS!!!

Think I'll just sit over here an shoot m'self.

scissorhands

2nd October 2011, 11:01

Economics run things at the end of the day, the bottom line is the bottom line.

If it actually does help unhealthy people, then hey. But, we've been taxing smokes and grog for a while.... but it dont really change habits unless very poor.

Realistically and practically, the cheap fatty shit food will now cost more and the healthier more expensive stuff will become affordable. So, Subway type franchises will see significant gains over burger bars if correctly implemented. Greater volume of healthier meals should bring in competition, and a cheaper cost to the consumer compared to todays boutique market for healthy fast food.

Zedder

2nd October 2011, 11:12

Yeah. Sorry about that. They're after me, see, you guys are just what they call collateral damage.

Can't remember where it started but later on it was the day I bought a diesel van. Thought I was beeing a frugal wee pixie. The next day they proposed extra taxes on diesel vehicles.

Big bikes: Tax the fuck outa them fuckers.

Cheesburgers, now.

Still, look on the bright side, they're running out of shit to tax.

SHIT!!

Ah fuck...

FUCKS!!!

Think I'll just sit over here an shoot m'self.

We should have seen it coming with the "fart tax", they just started at the wrong end.

Quasievil

2nd October 2011, 11:26

Crasherfromwayback

2nd October 2011, 11:37

I'm all for it if the money goes into the health system. Fat cunts are a much bigger drain on the health system than smokers. Smokers get the shit taxed out of them. Fatty's don't.

Quasievil

2nd October 2011, 11:40

Zedder

2nd October 2011, 11:51

mashman

2nd October 2011, 12:00

Yeah. Sorry about that. They're after me, see, you guys are just what they call collateral damage.

They're not taxing the shit out of you yet... at least you fessed up :laugh:

Realistically and practically, the cheap fatty shit food will now cost more and the healthier more expensive stuff will become affordable.

I couldn't see that that would end up being the case... unless they taxed it harder than $4 per kilo... probably have to be about $50/kilo (asshat figure) before it would bring it inline with the healthier stuff.

We should have seen it coming with the "fart tax", they just started at the wrong end.

Aren't they putting that in place for animals a la ETS? Would politicians have to pay a higher levy for all of the bullshit they produce :shutup:

Same as everything, if they can make money they will, it will do nothing to reesolve any issues at all, same as the man made warming scam and taxation via B.S

and all passed on to the consumer... including clean up costs :facepalm:

mashman

2nd October 2011, 12:04

I'm all for it if the money goes into the health system. Fat cunts are a much bigger drain on the health system than smokers. Smokers get the shit taxed out of them. Fatty's don't.

That's what really concerns me... we see nothing out of it other than, hey it's bad for you, don't do it. Why not make it illegal to produce fatty foods? Is it because it would put industries at risk and therefore jobs? Why hasn't the food industry cleaned up their act up by now. And what of those that are genetically fat (myth?)?

Crasherfromwayback

2nd October 2011, 12:14

. And what of those that are genetically fat (myth?)?

In my experience, most if not all fatty's simply eat too much too often.There were no fatty's in Auschwitz after all...

They're a huge drain on the health system...and should be made to get on the scales at the supermarkets.

Grossly obese...+ 50% please.

A fatty?...+ 30% please.

Chearfully chubby?...+ 15% please.

Hopeful Bastard

2nd October 2011, 12:17

trouble is, your body doesnt make fat from fat, it stores fat from carbohydrates like bread, potaoes, pasta etc

Kickaha

2nd October 2011, 12:19

They're a huge drain on the health system...and should be made to get on the scales at the supermarkets.

It is cheaper in the long run to pay for gastric bypass operations rather than let them be obese long term, perhaps they could use the fat tax to fund that

mashman

2nd October 2011, 12:22

Education changes things however, i.e Smoking is reducing ?

"Currently just under 20 percent are smokers." (http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/10383863/aotearoa-smokefree-strategy-a-full-house-in-order/) "But we need to revive the emphasis on preventing our children from being recruited by the tobacco industry as replacement smokers and into a life-long addiction." ... hopefully the education will win the day.

In my experience, most if not all fatty's simply eat too much too often.

Fair enough. Along with lack of exercise too I guess... but charging them more for their food isn't going to change that. Dunno what the answer is, but taxing them seems harsher than harsh. Less money for the gym :shutup:

Zedder

2nd October 2011, 12:24

That's what really concerns me... we see nothing out of it other than, hey it's bad for you, don't do it. Why not make it illegal to produce fatty foods? Is it because it would put industries at risk and therefore jobs? Why hasn't the food industry cleaned up their act up by now. And what of those that are genetically fat (myth?)?

From what I can make out, fat has fatty acids in it which are essential for the body to work correctly. There are however "good fats" and "bad fats". Food producers are meant to keep the amount of "good fats" up and the "bad fats" down but ultimately the amount of total fat we eat is our choice.

Quasievil

2nd October 2011, 12:38

In my experience, most if not all fatty's simply eat too much too often.There were no fatty's in Auschwitz after all...

They're a huge drain on the health system...and should be made to get on the scales at the supermarkets.

Bring back the list makers:gob:

davereid

2nd October 2011, 13:00

where is an example of Taxation solving societies issues/ problems/behaviours ?
I dont know the answer but does it?
Smokers still smoke
Drinkers still drink (chin chin)
People still use heaps of petrol
all 3 above are heavily taxed and nothing has changed.
Education changes things however, i.e Smoking is reducing ?

Taxation and fines are great at changing behavior.

Got fined for speeding, stopped doing it without MK1 eyeball in full service.

Got fined for riding without a helmet. Stopped doing it on main roads.

Got fined (taxed) for drinking, so make my own.

Got fined (taxed) for having a job. Stopped doing it, collect a benefit instead.

Easy. And I have time for whitebaiting, biking and drinking.

yachtie10

2nd October 2011, 13:03

Seems to be a misunderstanding in here the tax is on fat, not fat people

you skinnys will pay the tax as well if you eat the foods some politician decides you shouldnt

wasnt it the last goverments guidelines for school tuck shops defined an apple in the bad for you column as contained too much sugar

Crasherfromwayback

2nd October 2011, 13:06

Seems to be a misunderstanding in here the tax is on fat, not fat people

you skinnys will pay the tax as well if you eat the foods some politician decides you shouldnt

No I understand. Just think fatty's should be taxed on all food is my point.

Usarka

2nd October 2011, 13:10

The problem is that "they" forget that the in-hole is bigger than the out-hole.

Fat bastards need their arseholes stretched to be the same size as their mouth. :shit:

Quasievil

2nd October 2011, 13:48

Seems to be a misunderstanding in here the tax is on fat, not fat people

you skinnys will pay the tax as well if you eat the foods some politician decides you shouldnt

I wonder if Whitetrash will get a Tax credit?

mashman

2nd October 2011, 17:24

Seems to be a misunderstanding in here the tax is on fat, not fat people

you skinnys will pay the tax as well if you eat the foods some politician decides you shouldnt

True... and people can, as we do sometimes depending on which meat we've bought, boil the fat off before cooking the meat. Would that be a tax refund :blink:

Drunken Monkey

2nd October 2011, 17:37

Taxation and fines are great at changing behavior.

Got fined for speeding, stopped doing it without MK1 eyeball in full service.

Got fined for riding without a helmet. Stopped doing it on main roads.

Got fined (taxed) for drinking, so make my own.

Got fined (taxed) for having a job. Stopped doing it, collect a benefit instead.

Easy. And I have time for whitebaiting, biking and drinking.

^^^^

This man has his life sorted out.

Zedder

2nd October 2011, 17:37

True... and people can, as we do sometimes depending on which meat we've bought, boil the fat off before cooking the meat. Would that be a tax refund :blink:

Yeah you send it off to the I lard D.

mashman

2nd October 2011, 17:54

Yeah you send it off to the I lard D.

puntastic ha ha ha haaaaaaaaaaa

Scuba_Steve

2nd October 2011, 17:55

You start with

Economics run things at the end of the day, the bottom line is the bottom line.

But then end with

Realistically and practically, the cheap fatty shit food will now cost more and the healthier more expensive stuff will become affordable. So, Subway type franchises will see significant gains over burger bars if correctly implemented. Greater volume of healthier meals should bring in competition, and a cheaper cost to the consumer compared to todays boutique market for healthy fast food.

:rofl: That "boutique market" as you call it, was created by calling them "healthy" & "good for you" we created the high prices of those "healthy" "boutique markets" so don't think they'll get more attractive (financially) if we tax "unhealthy foods", they'll just raise prices & profit in return to match.

scumdog

2nd October 2011, 17:59

In my experience, most if not all fatty's simply eat too much too often.There were no fatty's in Auschwitz after all...

Look at pics from say 40+ years ago - bugger-all fat bastards then.

Bugger-all fast-food chains then either...

thehovel

2nd October 2011, 18:22

Look at pics from say 40+ years ago - bugger-all fat bastards then.

Bugger-all fast-food chains then either...

You could be on to something. Just keep the fish and chipies and the lard they fried it all in ????????? No oil then, you could still be on the right track Regards Richard

Swoop

2nd October 2011, 18:29

Parekura Horomia will hopefully be shot on sight, as soon as he attempts to enter their country.

jonbuoy

3rd October 2011, 09:04

Great idea if they use the money from the taxes to subsidise healthier more expensive foods.

Zedder

3rd October 2011, 09:25

You start with

But then end with

:rofl: That "boutique market" as you call it, was created by calling them "healthy" & "good for you" we created the high prices of those "healthy" "boutique markets" so don't think they'll get more attractive (financially) if we tax "unhealthy foods", they'll just raise prices & profit in return to match.

However SS, increased prices on the fatty foods could entice more suppliers into the healthy food market thereby providing more competition and lower prices.

Scuba_Steve

3rd October 2011, 10:09

However SS, increased prices on the fatty foods could entice more suppliers into the healthy food market thereby providing more competition and lower prices.

not likely since the prices now are artificial. The prices are high becuase we've made them "the thing to have"

What we will probably find is an increase of potentially toxic, shit tasting food on the market as they replace the good stuff they claim to be "fatty" with artificial shit which is worse for you.

pzkpfw

3rd October 2011, 11:10

Parekura Horomia will hopefully be shot on sight, as soon as he attempts to enter their country.

I thought it was Norway that still wanted to go Whaling.

Stirts

3rd October 2011, 11:27

Extra tax on MILK they say? And MEAT? WTF!!!!

I guess milk and meat are pretty unhealthy, paying the prices we do I am not suprised my heart skips a few beats at the checkout!

Wait, here is an idea.....

http://blog.chron.com/nickanderson/files/legacy/archives/and081809b1.jpg

Zedder

3rd October 2011, 11:32

not likely since the prices now are artificial. The prices are high becuase we've made them "the thing to have"

What we will probably find is an increase of potentially toxic, shit tasting food on the market as they replace the good stuff they claim to be "fatty" with artificial shit which is worse for you.

Not likely, companies like that wouldn't last long. There are standards for food after all.

Scuba_Steve

3rd October 2011, 11:52

Not likely, companies like that wouldn't last long. There are standards for food after all.

:blink: Your kidding right??? :rofl:unfortunately it seems you have no idea :facepalm:

Usarka

3rd October 2011, 12:02

Soy to the rescue. :sick:

oneofsix

3rd October 2011, 12:07

As a fat bastard I find this thread amusing. You skinny fucks don't realise its you that will be paying the tax not me. I have changed my diet to try and address my weight (not working too well :facepalm:) and waste money on the gym. Whereas you skinny fuckers still get to eat all the fat foods and therefore pay the taxes :woohoo:
All I want is some truth and honesty in the food markets/advice. Like has already been said, the body don't process fat eaten into fat stored. It's the refined sugars and carbohydrates etc and this is why they got so upset with Atkin and his diet. The Atkins diet showed serious floors in their thinking and that was very recently which shows they know fuck all of nothing as to how the body works.
Stress has a lot to do with fat retention as does lack of sleep so i think I'll go have a siesta now. :sleep:

Stirts

3rd October 2011, 12:11

It's the refined sugars

Let's keep Mr Stay Puff out of this alright :argue:

http://www.poeghostal.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/stay-puft-marshmallow-man.jpg

showed serious floors

Serious floors? Are very serious :yes:

Scuba_Steve

3rd October 2011, 12:14

Let's keep Mr Stay Puff out of this alright :argue:

http://www.poeghostal.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/stay-puft-marshmallow-man.jpg

mmmm Mr Stay Puff uuuuggggghhhhh:drool:

oneofsix

3rd October 2011, 12:14

Let's keep Mr Stay Puff out of this alright :argue:

http://www.poeghostal.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/stay-puft-marshmallow-man.jpg

ummm marshmallow, now where is the dipping chocolate.

Usarka

3rd October 2011, 12:31

mmmmm chocolate danish......

superman

3rd October 2011, 13:46

Unless they introduce a sugar tax many Danish food companies will lower their saturated fat level and to compensate raise sugar. Ergo avoiding fat tax without adding anything to their populations health...

oneofsix

3rd October 2011, 13:55

Zedder

3rd October 2011, 14:04

:blink: Your kidding right??? :rofl:unfortunately it seems you have no idea :facepalm:

I think you need to google "food standards code" etc.

Scuba_Steve

3rd October 2011, 14:25

I think you need to google "food standards code" etc.

I stand by my statement :yes:

Zedder

3rd October 2011, 14:41

I stand by my statement :yes:

You wrote "it seems ..." which is an unconfirmed speculation. At least I can back up my statement with facts. But then you'd probably say it's just propaganda etc etc.

oneofsix

3rd October 2011, 14:46

You wrote "it seems ..." which is an unconfirmed speculation. At least I can back up my statement with facts. But then you'd probably say it's just propaganda etc etc.

Facts? Thought your comment was speculation on what would happen if a company followed a hypothetical path. Both appear to be speculation, one, perhaps, based on experience and the other on regulatory expectation

Gremlin

3rd October 2011, 15:00

but the Danish chicks are mostly a bunch of cuties? I suppose if it makes them all cuties it's worth it?

:dodge:

Zedder

3rd October 2011, 15:06

Facts? Thought your comment was speculation on what would happen if a company followed a hypothetical path. Both appear to be speculation, one, perhaps, based on experience and the other on regulatory expectation

The fact is OO6, companies that sell crap do not last long. Not only do customers "vote with their feet" but in the case of food suppliers they get done by the authorities.

Food standards are facts too.

rachprice

3rd October 2011, 15:29

I would like to see the money go into healthier foods

and you are right it is not ONLY about fatty foods (my grandad used to have dripping sandwiches if he was lucky:sick: and he was never fat) though it isn't all carbs and sugar, why are people so all or nothing?

Excess calories of any form, much decreased output...we all sit on our asses way too much!
Many bodies react differently to types of calories, some people tend to stay slim if they cut out sugar, other if they cut out fat...there is no one size fits all approach to a healthy weight unfortunately

But I agree that if they go ahead they need to consider tax on refined sugary things too!

Brett

3rd October 2011, 15:42

One of the worst things for putting on weight...alcohol. Lots of bad calories, very little nutritional goodness. I think that the fat tax is a bit of a joke really. I agree with the sentiments and the driving factors, but I don't think that a tax is going to see much effect.

kiwifruit

3rd October 2011, 15:46

there is no one size fits all approach to a healthy weight unfortunately

I think there is.
Eat as you've evolved to eat. Move around.

Simple.

rachprice

3rd October 2011, 15:49

slofox

3rd October 2011, 15:53

And it breaks my heart haha

Alcohol broke my ribs once - when I arsed over whilst drunk as a skunk...:facepalm:

Scuba_Steve

3rd October 2011, 15:56

The fact is OO6, companies that sell crap do not last long. Not only do customers "vote with their feet" but in the case of food suppliers they get done by the authorities.

Food standards are facts too.

Coke Zero - still exists
Diest Coke - still exists (infact coke still exists)
Pepsi Max - still exists
Aspartame - still exists
MSG - still exists
E102 - still exists
E110 - still exists
E104 - still exists
E211 - still exists
"There are more than 3000 different food additives that are purposefully added to our food supply. Some of them are known to cause cancer!"

You were saying???

As for "food standards" don't get me started

mashman

3rd October 2011, 15:57

Let's keep Mr Stay Puff out of this alright :argue:

Serious floors? Are very serious :yes:

Can we leave Mr Stay Puft out of it too :innocent:

companies that sell crap do not last long

wubbish... crap to you may well be bliss to me and several thousand others. Some health foods taste and have the consistency of cardboard, yet they still sell. There's no such thing as crap food... someone will like it for a number of reasons.

Brett

3rd October 2011, 16:05

Coke Zero - still exists
Diest Coke - still exists (infact coke still exists)
Pepsi Max - still exists
Aspartame - still exists
MSG - still exists
E102 - still exists
E110 - still exists
E104 - still exists
E211 - still exists
"There are more than 3000 different food additives that are purposefully added to our food supply. Some of them are known to cause cancer!"

You were saying???

As for "food standards" don't get me started

Aspartame is also claimed to actually worsen weight gain. Nice.

Usarka

3rd October 2011, 16:07

There's no such thing as crap food...

http://http.cdnlayer.com/smoola/00/00/36/d9bf89676db77ad7_m.jpg

Zedder

3rd October 2011, 16:08

Coke Zero - still exists
Diest Coke - still exists (infact coke still exists)
Pepsi Max - still exists
Aspartame - still exists
MSG - still exists
E102 - still exists
E110 - still exists
E104 - still exists
E211 - still exists
"There are more than 3000 different food additives that are purposefully added to our food supply. Some of them are known to cause cancer!"

You were saying???

As for "food standards" don't get me started

Who says they're crap? Maybe if you eat tonnes of the stuff for most of your life you'd get cancer.

So let's take away the food standards and all other standards (looked at your motorbike helmet lately) and see what happens.

mashman

3rd October 2011, 16:19

that glorious bowl of chips and cheese

... looks like it's gonna have to be real butter, cheese and chip sarnies for tonights dinner... that processed shit too :yes: mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

scissorhands

3rd October 2011, 16:30

I guess the poor and downtrodden are gonna be paying for their oppression, once again....

its time to corrupt yourself... or pay $$ for your discordant reaction to the modern world:shutup:

mashman

3rd October 2011, 16:40

its time to corrupt yourself... or pay $$ for your discordant reaction to the modern world:shutup:

I'll take corruption tonight... the chips are in the oven, the bread has been buttered (who leaves butter in the fridge these days, makes it a bastard to spread... bits kept ripping off the bread with lumps of butter attached, silver linings and all :)), the processed cheese is waiting and it's 10 minutes to demolition...

Zedder

3rd October 2011, 16:49

I'll take corruption tonight... the chips are in the oven, the bread has been buttered (who leaves butter in the fridge these days, makes it a bastard to spread... bits kept ripping off the bread with lumps of butter attached, silver linings and all :)), the processed cheese is waiting and it's 10 minutes to demolition...

Don't forget the after dinner dak......

mashman

3rd October 2011, 17:19

I ate that too quick, got covered in butter and couldn't eat a waffer thin mint... wonder what that meal woulda cost in Denmark.

Zedder

3rd October 2011, 17:35

I ate that too quick, got covered in butter and couldn't eat a waffer thin mint... wonder what that meal woulda cost in Denmark.

That would be 4000 krone Mr Creosote.

Scuba_Steve

3rd October 2011, 17:38

This goes out to Denmark... :finger:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Xc5wIpUenQ

mashman

3rd October 2011, 17:56

This goes out to Denmark... :finger:

WOW... :drool: ... at $4/kilo, that's an extra $28ish and money has never been spent more betterererer... I'm going for some choccy ice cream

mashman

3rd October 2011, 18:02

gawd they're watching Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs next door, the ice cream bit and I've just dropped half a Vienetta in a bowl to be washed down by a can of fully leaded coke... tell my family I loved them :bye:

scumdog

3rd October 2011, 18:23

scumdog

3rd October 2011, 18:31

Some health foods taste and have the consistency of cardboard, yet they still sell. There's no such thing as crap food... someone will like it for a number of reasons.

Dead right - Maccas.:yes:

Although at least you can depend on Maccas to have the same bland mediocracy of taste wherever you go in the world.:whistle:

Genie

3rd October 2011, 18:41

gatch

3rd October 2011, 19:38

I think it's a fuckin retarded idea. Fatty food doesn't make you fat. For the vast majority, prolonged calorific excess makes you fat.

All they are doing is making the better tasting foods more expensive, another way for the man to keep you down.

Zedder

3rd October 2011, 21:05

Can we leave Mr Stay Puft out of it too :innocent:

wubbish... crap to you may well be bliss to me and several thousand others. Some health foods taste and have the consistency of cardboard, yet they still sell. There's no such thing as crap food... someone will like it for a number of reasons.

Wubbish yourself. Crap can mean crap value for money, crap performance, crap integrity etc. You're confusing taste with those criteria and obviously there is such a thing as crap food.

mashman

3rd October 2011, 21:36

Wubbish yourself. Crap can mean crap value for money, crap performance, crap integrity etc. You're confusing taste with those criteria and obviously there is such a thing as crap food.

twue where a "weal" westauwant has someone that's trying to make an attempt at making nice food is concerned, with a reputation is on the line ... but as I said earlier (and stand by), crap for you could be heaven for me and people will eat what either of us consider to be crap, and will suffer the food establishment good or bad, and all that all irrespective of money, performance, integrity etc... I guess that's why fast food works, it's cheap, it's tasteless to some and you don't expect it to be cordon bleu. Shame in so many ways...

mashman

3rd October 2011, 22:37

they tax cigarettes as smoking causes cancer which in turn costs so much in medical expenses. the same applies to fat related illnesses.....people need to be more responsible for what they do to their bodies.

look after thyself and pay for thine own medical expenses...:killingme

yeah right....mankind can't take responsiblity, always blaming the world when it all goes wrong.

bloody ex-smokers, bunch of sanctamon :shifty:... hi Genie, long time no see, yer well I hope.

Always blaming the world for wasting the money... heh. No doubt those who have screwed themselves over have been partially responsible for some of the medical advances we've had. If "bad" things are available, people will use them. The best we can do is educate people and then let them/us get on with it for better or worse... hopefully for the better in the future.

Cigs, fat, smog, damp, chemicals (household, drugs legal and illegal or medicinal), pesticides, growth hormones, cars :shifty: etc... they all kill people and are all possible contributing factors in regards to Cancer and other diseases/mental conditions etc... after all not all lung cancers are smoking related, not even in smokers. We have a bad guy, but I have a hard time accepting that it's THE bad guy. In all honesty, I reckon exhaust fumes are responsible for more cancers than cigs, but that is just my opinion.

Fatt Max

4th October 2011, 20:44

Being fat is not all that bad you know

I only have a 2" willy but I've got 150KG to shove it in with.....

Mind you, I've tried the "but I'm heavy boned" excuse, trouble is when was the last time you saw a fat skeleton.

Once you've had fat you will never look back, remember that ladies.

Laters......and I do have feelings you know.......:bye:

mashman

5th October 2011, 12:01

heh, the ball is rolling (http://uk.health.lifestyle.yahoo.net/uk-government-may-consider-a-fat-tax.htm) for want of a better expression

Scuba_Steve

5th October 2011, 12:15

heh, the ball is rolling (http://uk.health.lifestyle.yahoo.net/uk-government-may-consider-a-fat-tax.htm) for want of a better expression

Morons, absolute fucking morons :facepalm:

Smifffy

5th October 2011, 13:26

Look at pics from say 40+ years ago - bugger-all fat bastards then.

Bugger-all fast-food chains then either...

And funnily enough, fuck all in the way of "reduced fat" "low fat" foods for sale either. In fact global obesity has increased since people took the advice of cutting fat from their diet.

The fact is OO6, companies that sell crap do not last long. Not only do customers "vote with their feet" but in the case of food suppliers they get done by the authorities.

Food standards are facts too.

Bwahahaahaaaaaaaa

Who says they're crap? Maybe if you eat tonnes of the stuff for most of your life you'd get cancer.

So let's take away the food standards and all other standards (looked at your motorbike helmet lately) and see what happens.

I don't think anyone is advocating the removal of the standards, just pointing out that they are a mile wide. Nestle would be a good example of a company that produces a crap-ton of food that meets relevant standards but isn't particularly good for people. Also food standards are maintained by the same people that actually believe that fat per se is bad for you oooooh.

Government manipulated statistics also show that motorcycling is bad for you too, let's get them to increase the tax on that as well.

Oh.
Snap.

kiwifruit

5th October 2011, 13:52

I don't disagree with the idea of higher tax on "bad" foods but who decides what is "bad"?

Take milk for example. It is considered "good", even promoted as a something we should be ingesting to improve our health. The truth is milk (the stuff you buy, not raw milk) does more harm than good because it's processed beyond our body's ability to naturally deal with it. We actually lose bone density when we drink it over many years (it's too acidic so we use calcium, from our bones, to balance it). The people selling it will have you believe quite the opposite. They tell you you should drink it every day to strengthen your bones!

Bread features in almost every New Zealander's diet. Great for clogging up the intestinal tract and over the years helping build impacted fecal matter, leading to a popular way to go, bowel cancer. But bread isn't considered "bad". It's a part of our culture!

bogan

5th October 2011, 14:00

Take a dump and go for a run, tax crisis averted :innocent:

Aren't all the sugary/energy foods doing as much damage these days anyway? or do they fall into the same category?

Deano

5th October 2011, 14:02

Can the skinny people who watch what they eat (intake and variety) and excercise regularly avoid this tax ?

No thought not. What a crock.

oneofsix

5th October 2011, 14:19

Can the skinny people who watch what they eat (intake and variety) and excercise regularly avoid this tax ?

No thought not. What a crock.

But that is exactly what I like about this tax. I am already fat and therefore avoid fat foods so will pay less of the tax. You skinny people are able to eat the fat foods and due to your lack of internal fat may even need to - so you pay the tax. Great isn't it. :yes::woohoo:

Usarka

5th October 2011, 15:34

Plenty of skinny people have dangerous build ups of fat - in their arteries!

Besides, there is only one product they need to tax - cheese. 93% of fat people eat cheese.

Deano

6th October 2011, 06:59

The kicker is that silly BMI (body mass index) that you see in Dr's waiting rooms.

According to that, Im ever so slightly obese at 182cm and 80kg.

Pfffffffttttt. Whoever came up with that is FOS.

Smifffy

6th October 2011, 07:30

Yes, according to BMI the All blacks are all morbidly obese...

Same people think fat makes you fat.

The kicker is that silly BMI (body mass index) that you see in Dr's waiting rooms.

According to that, Im ever so slightly obese at 182cm and 80kg.

Pfffffffttttt. Whoever came up with that is FOS.

Scuba_Steve

6th October 2011, 08:12

Plenty of skinny people have dangerous build ups of fat - in their arteries!

Besides, there is only one product they need to tax - cheese. 93% of fat people eat cheese.

no tax diet coke, coke zero & bottled water... you always see a fat person with one of these products. So using Govt statisctic skills these products are the problem

oneofsix

6th October 2011, 08:54

The kicker is that silly BMI (body mass index) that you see in Dr's waiting rooms.

According to that, Im ever so slightly obese at 182cm and 80kg.

Pfffffffttttt. Whoever came up with that is FOS.

Who came up with the BMI or who pushes it? It is a tool of the USA medical insurance industry, used to evaluate risks and costs. Quite recently they reduced the Mass per height as well.
Guess what their angle is.

Zedder

6th October 2011, 12:11

And funnily enough, fuck all in the way of "reduced fat" "low fat" foods for sale either. In fact global obesity has increased since people took the advice of cutting fat from their diet.

Bwahahaahaaaaaaaa

I don't think anyone is advocating the removal of the standards, just pointing out that they are a mile wide. Nestle would be a good example of a company that produces a crap-ton of food that meets relevant standards but isn't particularly good for people. Also food standards are maintained by the same people that actually believe that fat per se is bad for you oooooh.

Government manipulated statistics also show that motorcycling is bad for you too, let's get them to increase the tax on that as well.

Oh.
Snap.

If it wasn't for your avatar etc I might take you seriously, but I can't.

SPman

6th October 2011, 18:50

jonbuoy

7th October 2011, 06:31

If they were really interested in making people healthier shouldn´t they be subsidising fresh fruit and veges?

oneofsix

7th October 2011, 06:51

Tax Hydrogenated vegetable oils and Trans fats, sure, they are lethal to you, but animal fat doesn't actually do any harm - nor butter, eggs, decent milk, etc. They should hammer sugar and simple carbohydrates as well.

wooo up SPman, you can't go saying stuff like that.
Hydrogenated vegetable oils and Trans fats are good, haven't you paid attention to the spin for the last 50 or so years. These are your margarine and cooking oils and such like. These are manufactured by corporations and cost money that goes back to businessmen, make that shareholders, and as we know corporations, by the disassociated group nature, have no soul and therefore can't be bad.
Animal fats on the other hand can still be obtained at little or no cost in some under developed parts of the world and are therefore bad.
Simple :yes: It's not about health its about corporate products. In future when you talk health remember to blame the powerless at the bottom of the pile, never the rich and powerful corporations. The rich and powerful corporations are our heroes. This is why Coke can charge more for water than their name product in places where the only safe water has to be bought, proves sugar must be good.

Smifffy

7th October 2011, 14:21

If it wasn't for your avatar etc I might take you seriously, but I can't.

Glad to see you bring facts into the discussion at last ;)

Brian d marge

7th October 2011, 17:25

fatty foods
wasn't one of them Greek thinking types who said if you don't change your diet you are making your doctor rich...
if you look at the Americans, and think, fat fkrs have a look at the size of the average NZ er
Its not how much we eat, per say, yes the portion sizes have crept up, I think a hamburger meal in the 1970s was the size of our small fries and coke.
but also we are eating a lot of calorie dense food, , we were talking about this today and most of my friends eat over half of the plate in veg es, and at least a quarter in rice and very little meat.
hence they are generally skinny here
there are a number of programs on u tune, the peter Jennings interview about food, and knife over fork
the peter Jennings interview shows how bad the food industry is ( in America) but similarities are , well similar
knife over fork, suggested, ( with some pretty convincing data) that cancers can be triggered by a western diet, and promoted a wholefood diet, ie very little meat and milk products
and showed that in older men, getting a stiffie could be a problem and is caused by blocking of the small vein and is a good indication of heart disease .....and could be reversed by eating veges...aka almost vegan ( no I'm English and will fight and die for my Danish smoky middle back ...bacon)
seriously look into the food industry and what you eat, it scared the doo doo out of me
on saying this, I'm in a restrauant, for lunch and have eaten escargo , salad, and a small seafood pizza, washed down by a half bottle of french red plonk...and might order the mussels, ...5% left on me battery ....
don't get me started on that crap that some people call beer, that stye is pure sugar, water, and my biggest reason why I'm 82 kg when I should be 78...... BA star d......
oh pie, I like pie.........by for now

stephen

Usarka

7th October 2011, 19:00

I bought some dripping for the first time in my life yesterday. Wanted some bacon fat to make some refried beans but the supermarket doesn't sell it so will try with dripping instead.

If that doesn't work I guess it's a bacon fest coming up :drool:

Ocean1

7th October 2011, 19:23

Usarka

7th October 2011, 19:31

How do you make refried beans?

... and how have you survived this long without beef dripping?

Aye good question about the dripping....

Refried beans gets lost in translation, it actually means 'beans fried to fuck and back' or something like that in mexican. I'll have to dig out my recipe because my memory is toast, but it basically involves chucking beans into a frying pan with fat (or oil if you're a blouse) and mashing them. Salt is required to bring out the flavour. Whizzed onion, garlic, chili, cumin all go well.

I use tins of black beans. Nicer and more authentic flavour, and they don't look like the dog's had the runs on the frypan.

Mmmmmm, i need a Sol....

Ocean1

7th October 2011, 19:40

Refried beans gets lost in translation, it actually means 'beans fried to fuck and back' or something like that in mexican.

Traditionaly not fried at all, never did get an adequate explanation about the name.

I do a good chili with black beans, though. Starts by rendering a bacon hock...

Usarka

7th October 2011, 19:43

I do a good chili with black beans, though. Starts by rendering a bacon hock...

I bow in envy to your culinary awesomness :not:

Ocean1

7th October 2011, 19:50

I bow in envy to your culinary awesomness :not:

In honour of the thread title I might just mention in passing... Deep fried peanut butter and banana club sandwiches on double chocolate ice cream.

PS: whadaya rekon the tax on that would be?

p.dath

9th October 2011, 08:07

"The new tax is intended to reduce people's intake of fatty foods." (http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/10383354/denmark-introduces-fat-tax/) ... Why do these things always have to be dealt with via taxation? We know that those who like fatty foods will just pay the extra and carry on, I guess that's the point. Is there nothing better than financial penalty? and on food of all things.

I can't wait to see the results in a couple of yeas. At this stage, with obesity looming as the developed world's number 1 health problem, I'm supporting the tax.

There is a huge amount of money being poured into marketing of high fat foods to encourage people to eat more and more of it - and despite many people knowing that eating huge quantities of saturated fats is really bad to their health - they can't resist. Financial "penalties" sends a strong message.

Education campaigns have been tried in the past, and haven't worked. I don't know what other options really exist.

If the problem with obesity was not so big, and the effect of people's health was not so severe, and the cost of the healthcare on the public system was not so big I would not support this tax. People should have a right to choose to live their life the way they want to without interference from the state. But in this case, I don't really believe that obese people with severe health problems really do want to live the life they do, and that a large part of the problem has been created by external influences (aka, fast food manufacturers with big marketing budgets) - and not (this bit is important) through the freedom of their own choice.

So if private industry markets to remove this freedom of choice, and it is to such a large extent that it is harmful to the people, then it is time for the state to step in.

Tough call, I know.

Those people that don't eat large amounts of saturated fat foods wont be that affected. It is a simple user pays tax.

Ocean1

9th October 2011, 10:28

But in this case, I don't really believe that obese people with severe health problems really do want to live the life they do

For their own good eh?

Fuck me, where do I start; the road to hell...?

Nope, there's so much wrong with that post I can't deal with it all. I'll have to make do with:

MIND YOUR OWN FUCKING BUSINESS.

mashman

9th October 2011, 10:31

I can't wait to see the results in a couple of yeas. At this stage, with obesity looming as the developed world's number 1 health problem, I'm supporting the tax.

There is a huge amount of money being poured into marketing of high fat foods to encourage people to eat more and more of it - and despite many people knowing that eating huge quantities of saturated fats is really bad to their health - they can't resist. Financial "penalties" sends a strong message.

Education campaigns have been tried in the past, and haven't worked. I don't know what other options really exist.

If the problem with obesity was not so big, and the effect of people's health was not so severe, and the cost of the healthcare on the public system was not so big I would not support this tax. People should have a right to choose to live their life the way they want to without interference from the state. But in this case, I don't really believe that obese people with severe health problems really do want to live the life they do, and that a large part of the problem has been created by external influences (aka, fast food manufacturers with big marketing budgets) - and not (this bit is important) through the freedom of their own choice.

So if private industry markets to remove this freedom of choice, and it is to such a large extent that it is harmful to the people, then it is time for the state to step in.

Tough call, I know.

Those people that don't eat large amounts of saturated fat foods wont be that affected. It is a simple user pays tax.

All true. But it has been known for quite some time that certain things are bad for us, yet advertising standards have only ever removed 1 thing from the advertising/sponsorship space, and that's smoking... something that Education has had a massive affect on (not so much taxation imho), so saying that Education doesn't work, really isn't true. Perhaps the how or when or by whom we are educated is more important than actually having the knowledge? As you say, tis our choice...

The huge flaw in your argument, ok huge flaw may be considered an exaggeration, but... why hasn't advertising/marketing been banned in it's entirity, if it's such a killer?

All they're doing is making food more expensive. How are they going to collect the tax? It's going to be an administrative nightmare :yes: and they thought that the classification of food for variable GST purposes was gonna be hard... It's more profit for the food industry, nothing to do with saving lives. Tacking on a user pays taxation is just another way of washing ones hands of the "problem", where nothing will change other than the cost of living rising even further. It's a pathetic joke.

SPman

9th October 2011, 15:58

A lot of the things that are said to be bad for us, actually aren't, and many "good" things, are not, also. A refined grain high carbohydrate, low fat diet with lots of refined sugar in it is very effective at killing people - or making them so fat and diabetic they wished they were dead. Add to that, deep frying and cooking using hydrogenated vegetable oils and fats (Trans fats), and you've got a recipe for disaster. A lot of the "low fat" food around, does nothing at all for your health - quite the reverse, in fact!

Brian d marge

9th October 2011, 16:59

lunch today, grilled herring ..... a herring .....in a peanut sauce, , a bowl of rice, ahhhsooo,,,,,steamed spinach, and pickled ginger, washed down with 2 glasses of red, and ...maybe coffee, ...or cocoa, .....or a nice cup of tea.....

pretty much an average sort of lunch, .....Now I have to have a free health check , so I had a CT scan yesterday ....yukki poos
lots of visceral fat, a bmi of 25.6 , and when I asked the doc for any good news, , he was silent,,,,,,
crap, crap and crap again
then only thing I. an cut down on is me drinking, I can't do that as is me hobby and one of the few pleasures left in life, ( bike will be ready next year) ...so I can't cut down on that

basket doctors, next to lawyers ........ never give you any good news .....

I'm all for the tax, as long as bacon, cheap red wine, deep fried mars bars, Scottish single malts,
stones best bitter, tea my grandmothers dinners, anchovies, escargo, and well all form of see food
and curly whirlys
all remain tax free

stephen

9th October 2011, 17:38

This annoys me.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/5754756/Hospitals-fork-out-big-time-for-equipment-to-care-for-obese

Fat people suck up more of our health taxes. Enough! Time for some tough love and User pays. If they decide to eat themselves until they resemble a blotted beached whale, then they pay extra for hospital care.

Why should the rest of us fork out more money to provide a $30,000 purpose built 'fatty bed'
Real sick people need specialist care too. Don't spend my tax dollar on self inflicted blubba slobs.

Usarka

9th October 2011, 18:21

I spent a bit of time in hospital a couple of years ago. They have special sized wheelchairs (over 3x normal width), beds, lifters (like a forklift) for these huge fuckers. If you want to eat so much that you need a hoist to lift you then buy your own fucking crown, preferably not for picking you up but for putting you down.

Hic.

Kickaha

9th October 2011, 18:27

Fat people suck up more of our health taxes. Enough! Time for some tough love and User pay. They decide to eat themselves until they resemble a blotted beached whale then they pay extra for hospital care.

Very simplistic view, but if you're going for user pays then apply that to anyone who fucks themselves up while under the influence of alcohol

Zedder

9th October 2011, 18:30

Glad to see you bring facts into the discussion at last ;)

If it looks like crap etc, then it's probably crap.

Usarka

9th October 2011, 18:31

Very simplistic view, but if you're going for user pays then apply that to anyone who fucks themselves up while under the influence of alcohol

Fucking yourself up on booze can be a one off stupid decision that lands you in hospital.

You can't end up at 180kg because one day you ate too many pies and then decided to bomb into the swimming pool from teh second floor.

Scuba_Steve

9th October 2011, 18:39

Fat people suck up more of our health taxes. Enough! Time for some tough love and User pays. If they decide to eat themselves until they resemble a blotted beached whale, then they pay extra for hospital care.

Yea and why we're at it we should jack up bike fees again to something horrendous, if those bikers want to ride something potentially dangerous instead of driving a safe cage like everyone else, they should pay extra for hospital care. :facepalm:

Kickaha

9th October 2011, 18:44

Fucking yourself up on booze can be a one off stupid decision that lands you in hospital.
Or it can be from people who continually abuse it much the same as some (probably the majority) of obese people "abuse" food

You can't end up at 180kg because one day you ate too many pies and then decided to bomb into the swimming pool from teh second floor.
Are you sure, can you show us the medical research that rules that out as a cause?

There are medical conditions that can cause it as well though

mashman

9th October 2011, 19:17

Of the 3 friends I know that take pills to manage their collesterol, all eat reasonably well/healthily (one drinks Vodka and Diet Coke... fuckin girls blouse), 2 exercise like it's going out of fashion and the third is just a normal middle aged guy with a beer gut (as are most of the overweight folk I know)... Go figure.

Instead of buying what looks like seriously expensive equipment, why not offer free lipo before they hit the operating table? Potentially offering them a "new start"... Wonder which would cost more?

Ocean1

9th October 2011, 19:29

There are medical conditions that can cause it as well though

Serves them right for not choosing their parents more carefully.

Kickaha

9th October 2011, 20:14

Instead of buying what looks like seriously expensive equipment, why not offer free lipo before they hit the operating table? Potentially offering them a "new start"... Wonder which would cost more?
It has already been shown that gastric bypass earlier on is less expensive than the medical treatment they will need later in life

mashman

9th October 2011, 21:33

It has already been shown that gastric bypass earlier on is less expensive than the medical treatment they will need later in life

heh, wonder why they wouldn't implement such a thing if it works and is cheaper, or at least offer the "service" (do they?)... taking up too much doctoring time perhaps.

Ocean1

9th October 2011, 21:37

heh, wonder why they wouldn't implement such a thing if it works and is cheaper..

They do. If they can be convinced the recipient won't compromise the success of the operation by continuing to eat for six.

mashman

9th October 2011, 21:41

They do. If they can be convinced the recipient won't compromise the success of the operation by continuing to eat for six.

Hmmm, that's probably gonna take some convincing when confronted with a large person, and kinda goes against the idea that they're unhappy being large... hmmm

LBD

10th October 2011, 04:27

basket doctors, next to lawyers ........ never give you any good news .....

And we have that funding backwards....Doctors should get paid when we are well and we should stop paying them when we are sick.....and then see how quick they heal us!!!!!

p.dath

10th October 2011, 06:32

All true. But it has been known for quite some time that certain things are bad for us, yet advertising standards have only ever removed 1 thing from the advertising/sponsorship space, and that's smoking... something that Education has had a massive affect on (not so much taxation imho), so saying that Education doesn't work, really isn't true. Perhaps the how or when or by whom we are educated is more important than actually having the knowledge? As you say, tis our choice...

The huge flaw in your argument, ok huge flaw may be considered an exaggeration, but... why hasn't advertising/marketing been banned in it's entirity, if it's such a killer?

No amount of tobacco smoking is good for you. By comparison eating fast food every now and then with a balanced diet is not going to hurt you.

All they're doing is making food more expensive.

They are mostly making unhealthy food more expensive ...

kiwifruit

10th October 2011, 07:23

Anyone keen on free entry to the Kauri run in a November? 4 of us signed up, the 5th is free.

http://www.arcevents.co.nz/kaurirun/content/

Scuba_Steve

10th October 2011, 08:04

They are mostly making unhealthy food more expensive ...

:killingme your joking right??? You did see what they're planing on taxing, didn't you??? :blink:.

Hint it wasn't the unhealthy & potentially toxic shit like "diet products" (in fact I wouldn't be surprised to find these companies as the lobby groups behind it)

p.dath

10th October 2011, 08:13

:killingme your joking right??? You did see what they're planing on taxing, didn't you??? :blink:.

Hint it wasn't the unhealthy & potentially toxic shit like "diet products" (in fact I wouldn't be surprised to find these companies as the lobby groups behind it)

They were only taxing foods with saturated fats.

Scuba_Steve

10th October 2011, 08:46

They were only taxing foods with saturated fats.

like the healthier spread, butter. or that white stuff you put with cereal & tea/coffee, milk. That source of Iron, Beef & Lamb. Cheese. Eggs.

Effectively if you are not a Vegan, you will be taxed!!! & even they're not safe coconut oil, palm oil, vegetable oil, Chocolate.

Maybee take a look at a couple of gens back too. Their diet was lard, dripping, meat, eggs, milk etc & they weren't fat. It's only since we've moved away from the "fatty foods" that the "obesity epidemic" has come about
So a decrease in natural "fatty foods" from when people were thin, to an increase in man-made artificial crap where people are fat... Which is bad again??? :facepalm:

idb

10th October 2011, 09:05

Does this mean that fatty foods are going to be treated like smoking is now?
In time you might see groups of people huddled outside their workplaces in the cold eating pies, when they come back in their non-fat-eating colleagues will complain that they smell like gravy?

Coolz

10th October 2011, 10:16

Fat tax from the country that gave us Danish pastries...bit of irony there!

p.dath

10th October 2011, 11:07

like the healthier spread, butter. or that white stuff you put with cereal & tea/coffee, milk. That source of Iron, Beef & Lamb. Cheese. Eggs.

I don't know about your "healthier spread", but mine has almost no saturated fats. That's why it is healthier. I stopped using butter long ago, but they do offer lite butter. I already use low fat milk.
Lean meat should have most of the fat removed.

Effectively if you are not a Vegan, you will be taxed!!! & even they're not safe coconut oil, palm oil, vegetable oil, Chocolate.

A little bit of an exaggeration. But yes, a lot of food has some proportion of saturated fat, so yes, lots of food will have a small amount of tax added.

Maybee take a look at a couple of gens back too. Their diet was lard, dripping, meat, eggs, milk etc & they weren't fat. It's only since we've moved away from the "fatty foods" that the "obesity epidemic" has come about
So a decrease in natural "fatty foods" from when people were thin, to an increase in man-made artificial crap where people are fat... Which is bad again??? :facepalm:

High quantities of saturated fat are bad for your health. Doesn't matter which decade it came from or how you stick it in your mouth.

Boob Johnson

10th October 2011, 12:06

where is an example of Taxation solving societies issues/ problems/behaviours ?
I dont know the answer but does it?

Smokers still smoke

It's heavily taxed and nothing has changed.

Education changes things however, i.e Smoking is reducing ?
I'd say there is a big shift away from smoking due to both education AND (increased) taxation. Hell we are down to 1 in 5 smoking now so not sure I agree with your statement.

Deano

10th October 2011, 13:02

High quantities of saturated fat are bad for your health. Doesn't matter which decade it came from or how you stick it in your mouth.

Tell that to the eskimos !

http://www.biblelife.org/stefansson1.htm

Yes I appreciate there are lifestyle/climate differences but.....

SPman

10th October 2011, 18:49

I
High quantities of saturated fat are bad for your health. Doesn't matter which decade it came from or how you stick it in your mouth.

From a Dr who has performed over 5000 heart operations...on patients of whom more than 50%, he considered, shouldn't be there - not obese, "normal" cholestorol levels,etc etc.
 [I]The idea that saturated fats cause coronary disease is completely incorrect . The avoidance of animal fats and their replacement with vegetable fats plays a huge part in causing heart disease. Why? Because it encourages the pro-inflammatory metabolism of excess Omega-6— it throws the ratio off kilter. These vegetable oils should be replaced in our diets with[I] lard,coconut oil or olive oil.
Having had an acute Myocardial Infarction in the right descending coronary artery, last year, with "safe" cholesterol levels and a, "what I thought" reasonably healthy diet - I've been taking a closer than normal look at what we eat and how it affects us - I take nothing at it's supposed face value.
Consistent high levels of saturated fats aren't good for you, but as long as you are eating other foods, a moderate amount won't do any serious harm. Replacing them with the likes of corn, soyabean, safflower, cottonseed and sunflower oils, gives rise to excessive levels of Omega 6, which is good for you in small doses, but needs to be balanced by far greater intakes of Omega 3 than most people get - even with supplements.

Usarka

10th October 2011, 20:34

Does butter count as a animal fat? Nothing better for panfrying mushrooms, bread, omeletes, onions, fish etc.

Smifffy

10th October 2011, 23:10

If it looks like crap etc, then it's probably crap.

Then txt 'Dung' to 244.

:love:

LBD

11th October 2011, 05:01

Living on a high fibre, low fat, fresh fruit and vegie, whole grain diet does not make you live any longer.....it just feels like it.:facepalm:

But ....traveling through Denmark and Norway a couple of years back, the availability of fatty fast foods with little healthy choice alternatives was very evident...so noticeably so, that it was often a talking point on our tour...so I can see where the concern comes from.

Swoop

11th October 2011, 07:45

Fat people suck up more of our health taxes. Enough! Time for some tough love and User pays. If they decide to eat themselves until they resemble a blotted beached whale, then they pay extra for hospital care.

Why should the rest of us fork out more money to provide a $30,000 purpose built 'fatty bed'
Real sick people need specialist care too. Don't spend my tax dollar on self inflicted blubba slobs.
There is a simple solution...
Just fit hospitals with entrance doors of an appropriate width. The blubber-monsters can waddle around and work off some weight before they can fit through the door and be treated.

Brian d marge

11th October 2011, 15:46

Living on a high fibre, low fat, fresh fruit and vegie, whole grain diet does not make you live any longer.....it just feels like it.:facepalm:
.

Hell yeah !!!

mind you , am surprised how good , some off this sht tastes , I made a vege curry last nite from fresh chillies from the garden , OMG

As my gran used to say, everything in moderation. weekends are my bacon days !!!

Stephen

mashman

11th October 2011, 17:42

knowing my love of pork, from a fellow bar properupper buddy in Croatia... pigs head, with tin foil hat (http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/wordofmouth/2009/aug/28/fergus-henderson-pig-head-cook) :drool: great name for the animal too :)... bet pork is #1 on the Danish hit list

jonbuoy

11th October 2011, 19:27

Your all forgetting its Denmark, not NZ or the UK introducing the tax. It will probably be done in a well thought out and efficient way. They have managed to keep the numbers of cars down on the roads by taxing.

mashman

13th October 2011, 15:13

Your all forgetting its Denmark, not NZ or the UK introducing the tax.

Looks like the UK may be give it a go (http://uk.health.lifestyle.yahoo.net/uk-government-may-consider-a-fat-tax.htm)

yachtie10

14th October 2011, 16:36

just some information that might be of relevance

http://www.livepositively.co.nz/Page/YourHealth/health-professionals

from that page
"For the past three decades it has been widely accepted that saturated fat increases the risk of cardiovascular disease (CVD).

Recent research, however, has revealed the original hypothesis may have been too simplistic, suggesting we need to look beyond merely the type of fat to the entire nutrient composition of a food when assessing the link between dietary intake and disease.

Join us for this FREE webinar, when Professor Paul Nestel, of the Baker Heart & Diabetes Institute, explores the latest findings on saturated fat, dairy, and cardiovascular disease, and the early indication that dairy consumption, especially low fat dairy, may reduce the risk of incident diabetes"

Smifffy

19th October 2011, 08:04

Rather than saturated animal fats they should be looking at things such as High Fructose Corn Syrup, Palm oil, and Fonterra feeding palm kernel to our cattle. These things were never meant to be in our food chain.

They aren't even food, they are just synthetic fuel, perfectly designed to make body fat.

Brian d marge

21st October 2011, 02:25

If it had a mother and a daddy , dont eat it ( or eat very little of it ) , use oils sparingly incl dairy .., oh and a use smaller dishes
what people have said to me is that, basically half the plate is green leafy, and quarter , is grains and pasta rice stuff then your potatoes and less than 5 % fats, oils and dairy

I'm sort off , OK sort of , had a vege pizza for lunch , ,,and croissants but for dinner , salad , with a vinegar dressing , a Thai green curry with fresh chilli's from me garden

My biggest problem is me drinking , .... there are somethings in life , I just cant give up , and drinking is one

Must lose another 3 kg to be safe , and 11 to be a lean mean drinking machine ....friggen impossible ,

Stephen

SPman

21st October 2011, 13:57

If it's meat - eat it - just cut off any excess fat. Oils - use Olive, coconut or lard - replacing animal fats with vegetable fats leads to an excess of Omega 6. Increase your Omega 3 intake - oily fish, salmon,free range milk and eggs, or supplements - avoiding Alpha-Lineolic acid which is plant derived. Lower sugar and simple carbohydrate consumption - 2 of the main causes of the current obesity epidemic, teher are some who say - if it's white, don't eat it - polished rice, flour, potatoes, etc...and avoid anything using trans fats - hydrogenated vegetable oils, vegetable shortening, margarine, commercially baked goods, fried foods, crackers and chips.
Alcohol....hmmmm...always a problem....just don't overdo.
and somehow get rid of excess stomach area weight.

Bugger - that's me stuffed then!