Bimota YB8 Postie project sees the light of day

[codgyoleracer]

Have been chipping away at building up my 1989 Bimota YB8 during the off-season, (bloody cold in the shed at night during the winter dont-ya-know.....). Took it for a run at Manfield last week & all in all its not a bad package.

I have the engine in it from the 89 FZR1000 Yamaha i raced a couple of seasons ago & its fitted with Ohlins suspension and the new Metzeler Interact sticky black round things.
The shakedown went pretty smoothly, but i have learnt that a steering damper is probably a worthwhile investment, with the adjustable head rake giving us plenty of geometry options but on the flip-side - she can be a tad "twitchy".
Its got a stumpy little swingarm as well making it quite lively on the drive out of corners, but some internal rear shock modifications on the day of my test ride with the help of Robert Taylor from CKT made a marked difference, and gave us a good improvement in side grip.

Looking forward to getting her dressed which is being handled by Billy from www.racefairings.co.nz who is making up some original matching fairings.

Big thanks to Scott Griffiths and his dads engineering workshop in palmy here for making up lots of bits n bobs to get the bike re-built and running.

Cheers
Glen

[Deano]

Awesome stuff Glen ! It will be great to see you and the bike out in action.

[kiwifruit]

Cool!
Is this it? http://www.glenwilliams.co.nz/37.jpg

[codgyoleracer]

Cool!
Is this it? http://www.glenwilliams.co.nz/37.jpg

Nope thats my old MUZ / TZ Supemono, that went off to live in Australia with a new owner :-)

[crazy man]

cheers glen...l have a good pic of crazyman sitting on it

[nodrog]

Can somebody please buy Glen a camera?

[crazy man]

Can somebody please buy Glen a camera?l don't know if i'm aloud to post this pic i have

[codgyoleracer]

like this ?
247887
l don't know if i'm aloud to post this pic i have

[Crasherfromwayback]

Do a wheelie Mr!

[codgyoleracer]

Do a wheelie Mr!

I hope your not suggesting a dangerous ativity there sir.............

[Crasherfromwayback]

I hope your not suggesting a dangerous ativity there sir.............

Suggesting, encouraging and condoning!

[crazy man]

like this ?
247887that pic is photo shoped this is the real one! lol
http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/10/189560110_full.jpg

[jellywrestler]

looks like that man kneeling down in the piccie on post #8 has got a lot more face to wash than most people

[codgyoleracer]

looks like that man kneeling down in the piccie on post #8 has got a lot more face to wash than most people

The bike (in its current state) made his gear look bad, paintjob should fix that.

RT had some settings from 'way back when" , - when Tardozzi raced the same beastie at manfield in the 80's. (very handy)

[crazy man]

The bike (in its current state) made his gear look bad, paintjob should fix that.

RT had some settings from 'way back when" , - when Tardozzi raced the same beastie at manfield in the 80's. (very handy)your wheel has driven me to drink

[codgyoleracer]

your wheel has driven me to drink

Haha , you need a proper workshop mate.......:innocent:

[crazy man]

Haha , you need a proper workshop mate.......:innocent:yes one with just a grinder would do

[crazy man]

glen see you have found someone good that can set up your bike
http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/19/190207619_full.jpg

[codgyoleracer]

glen see you have found someone good that can set up your bike
http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/19/190207619_full.jpg

I think thats an improvement..........

[Peter Smith]

Soooo what meeting do you have plan to grace us with your presence oh speedy one. :sick:

[crazy man]

I think thats an improvement..........your camera is good how it can see through masks

[codgyoleracer]

Soooo what meeting do you have plan to grace us with your presence oh speedy one. :sick:

Mr Smith, i was hoping to get things all together for this month with respect to some actual racing, but work & travel out of New Zealand is limiting progress!. Probably November at least till that happens now, - never mind good things take time -or so they say.
Hows that 1422cc Suzuki of yours :-),

[codgyoleracer]

your camera is good how it can see through masks

Its an Ohlins camera, so is clearly of superior quality & performance. Man u really got hit with the ugly stick mate.

[Peter Smith]

Mr Smith, i was hoping to get things all together for this month with respect to some actual racing, but work & travel out of New Zealand is limiting progress!. Probably November at least till that happens now, - never mind good things take time -or so they say.
Hows that 1422cc Suzuki of yours :-),

sshhh, my 1216cc bike is going OK. Dyno'ed 157 RWHP last week. BUT I've stuffed my back. I'll try and ride the AMCC Rd1 this weekend, as they already have my money, but the weather looks crap and I'm running low on HARDEN UP pills.
Your bike sound impressive, what happened to the YSS shocks? :shutup:
I might see you at the tri series in December.

[codgyoleracer]

sshhh, my 1216cc bike is going OK. Dyno'ed 157 RWHP last week. BUT I've stuffed my back. I'll try and ride the AMCC Rd1 this weekend, as they already have my money, but the weather looks crap and I'm running low on HARDEN UP pills.
Your bike sound impressive, what happened to the YSS shocks? :shutup:
I might see you at the tri series in December.

Cooor, no wonder your back is naffed ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY SEVEN RWH has been crushing your vertebrae :-) , My advice in the wet is to "run your dry practice pace" , thats about as quick as you go in the wet without grinding the GSXR sign off the side...........

The Bimota is starting to look good, but apparently i need another 22RWHP......... :-(

The YSS was good stuff & got us a few lap records so dont knock it till you try it, But CKT had a base setting for their Ohlins series shocks "on file" , and it felt pretty good truth be known. I have just fitted a heavier spring though, so next time it see's the light of day it will be to test that. BTW the 180 series Interact Metzelers are pretty cool too & worth a look.

[codgyoleracer]

Suggesting, encouraging and condoning!

If i had any talent to do wheelies i'd be the first out there......., Powerstands (whilst trying to go fast are no problem) , but intentionaly lifting her up aint one of my strengths.

The guys that do those stand up cross, legged whilst waving things are just sick :facepalm:

[Crasherfromwayback]

If i had any talent to do wheelies i'd be the first out there......., Powerstands (whilst trying to go fast are no problem) , but intentionaly lifting her up aint one of my strengths.

The guys that do those stand up cross, legged whilst waving things are just sick :facepalm:

If I ever get the spare cash together, I'd love to come and join you chaps on a slab sided GSXR1100. They're good for wheelies!

[sugilite]

My understanding is the YB8 was 1st shown at the milan show in 1989, but was a 1990 production model? The motorcycle spec sites seem to concur with each other as do nearly all the enthusiast sites I've seen. What up?

[White trash]

My understanding is the YB8 was 1st shown at the milan show in 1989, but was a 1990 production model? The motorcycle spec sites seem to concur with each other as do nearly all the enthusiast sites I've seen. What up?

Snapped <tenchars/>

[Kickaha]

My understanding is the YB8 was 1st shown at the milan show in 1989, but was a 1990 production model? The motorcycle spec sites seem to concur with each other as do nearly all the enthusiast sites I've seen. What up?

Don't the rules just say "manufactured prior to" doesn't say anything about how many have to be manufactured

[sugilite]

Don't the rules just say "manufactured prior to" doesn't say anything about how many have to be manufactured

Eh, where did I talk about numbers? I do not think YB8's were available as a 1989 model.
I just love that new mag practical sports bikes, picked up the latest issue where they did a bloody good article on a YB8, and there in paragraph 3 it says it appeared in 1990. Googling it seems to back up the article.

[Kickaha]

My understanding is the YB8 was 1st shown at the milan show in 1989, but was a 1990 production model? The motorcycle spec sites seem to concur with each other as do nearly all the enthusiast sites I've seen. What up?


Eh, where did I talk about numbers? I do not think YB8's were available as a 1989 model.

They don't have to be available they just have to be manufactured prior to the end of December 1989

You've said that one was shown in Milan in 1989 so that means at least one was manufactured prior to the Dec 31st 1989 cut off

[White trash]

By that argument Kickaha, it could be argued that heaps of bikes could be included that aren't.

If your interpretation of the rule is correct, I'm stoked as I'll be able to race a first gen, carbed SRAD in Pre 95 class when it opens.

However, doesn't seem right to me. What's the point of including bikes that weren't available for sale until after the cutoff date?

[crazy man]

By that argument Kickaha, it could be argued that heaps of bikes could be included that aren't.

If your interpretation of the rule is correct, I'm stoked as I'll be able to race a first gen, carbed SRAD in Pre 95 class when it opens.

However, doesn't seem right to me. What's the point of including bikes that weren't available for sale until after the cutoff date?l do know GW has
Documentation of registration of one sold in 89 and phone numbers of the owner and shop which will volch for it and if there was one there was lots more

[sugilite]

l do know GW has
Documentation of registration of one sold in 89 and phone numbers of the owner and shop which will volch for it and if there was one there was lots more

You can more often than not buy next years model in the months before that year comes into fruition. Using this logic I could run an H2 ZXR750 or an GSXR1100L with 5.5 inch rear rim and upside down forks, they were available off the show room floor in late October 1989, but I cannot because they are designated 1990 models with large differences over their preceding models. I bought a ZXR750 H2 swingarm and ended up giving it away as when I rang the Post classic Association President, he explained very clearly that it is about model year designation and as it was a 1990 swingarm I was shit out of luck.

[crazy man]

You can more often than not buy next years model in the months before that year comes into fruition. Using this logic I could run an H2 ZXR750 or an GSXR1100L with 5.5 inch rear rim and upside down forks, they were available off the show room floor in late October 1989, but I cannot because they are designated 1990 models with large differences over their preceding models. I bought a ZXR750 H2 swingarm and ended up giving it away as when I rang the Post classic Association President, he explained very clearly that it is about model year designation and as it was a 1990 swingarm I was shit out of luck.has the H2 ZXR750 got the new type engine in it with the cam chain up one side?

[crazy man]

whats the difference between using a 1989 fzr and a 1990 fzr bet there the same bike and can use both

[Billy]

You can more often than not buy next years model in the months before that year comes into fruition. Using this logic I could run an H2 ZXR750 or an GSXR1100L with 5.5 inch rear rim and upside down forks, they were available off the show room floor in late October 1989, but I cannot because they are designated 1990 models with large differences over their preceding models. I bought a ZXR750 H2 swingarm and ended up giving it away as when I rang the Post classic Association President, he explained very clearly that it is about model year designation and as it was a 1990 swingarm I was shit out of luck.

Bullshit!!! Its year of manufacture,If there was one sold in 1989,Then clearly it was manufactured in 89,Right???

The whole class is a fucking joke anyway,If the class is "PRE" 89,Then all machines should have been manufactured by December 1988 otherwise its Pre 90 innit????

[sugilite]

has the H2 ZXR750 got the new type engine in it with the cam chain up one side?
No, it is the same as the H1, but with larger valves, and different cams, conrods and pistons to the H1. I beleive the motor your talking about started in 91 with the J model.


Bullshit!!! Its year of manufacture,If there was one sold in 1989,Then clearly it was manufactured in 89,Right???

The whole class is a fucking joke anyway,If the class is "PRE" 89,Then all machines should have been manufactured by December 1988 otherwise its Pre 90 innit????

Bit of smoke and mirrors going on in your post me thinks. I can see why it is easier for the class officials to police by keeping to the factory designated model years. Imagine trying to track down when each bike was registered etc. Though, I too have wondered about the "pre" thing as well, but it is as it is, I don't think it makes the class a "fucking joke" as a result.

[Billy]

Bit of smoke and mirrors going on in your post me thinks. I can see why it is easier for the class officials to police by keeping to the factory designated model years. Imagine trying to track down when each bike was registered etc. Though, I too have wondered about the "pre" thing as well, but it is as it is, I don't think it makes the class a "fucking joke" as a result.

When did they change to model designated years??They told me 5 years ago it was when it was released to the public!!

Not a joke!!Pre means before doesnt it??

[Kickaha]

I bought a ZXR750 H2 swingarm and ended up giving it away as when I rang the Post classic Association President, he explained very clearly that it is about model year designation and as it was a 1990 swingarm I was shit out of luck.

You should have told him to get fucked

It is nothing to do with model year designation and the NZPCRA don't make the rules (they just get them changed to exclude shit they don't want)

From the MNZ rulebook
25.1 Introduction:

(C) Pre 89 which will consist of racing machines manufactured after the closing
date of the period 1982 class and before December 31st 1989.

See the word highlighted "manufactured" nothing in the rule book about model year designation, zip, zero, and the MNZ rulebook is the only one you have to worry about

[Rcktfsh]

From Bimota Enthusiasts site
The Yb8 represents the development of the Yb6 exup. To be precise it is identical to the YB6 exup.

Design/ Engineering : Pier Luigi Marconi.
Presentation : Milan Motor Show 1989.
Price then : 27,450,000 Lira.
Engine : The power plant was taken from the Yamaha FZR 1000 four, series 3GM, aluminium in colour. It is the same engine as the YB6 exup. The maximum output is 148 hp at 10000 rpm. Effective engine displacement is 1002 cc. It has 36 mm Mikuki carburettors, liquid cooled, with double overhead camshaft, wet clutch and five-speed gearbox. The engine has the "Exup" system installed. That is a valve controlled by a servomotor in the exhaust, which is controlled by a microcomputer.
Frame : The frame is identical to the YB6 exup and consists of two diagonal beams with a rectangular cross section. The swing arm is also made of aluminium. The steering angle can be change by using another bush in the eccentric hole. The front suspension has an anti dive system in the left tube of the fork leg and a hydraulic brake in the right. This is adjustable by four positions. Fork leg diameter is 42 mm. The rear shock absorber is adjustable for both pre load and damping. Brakes are two floating Brembo 320 mm up front and one 230 mm Brembo at the rear. Wheels are aluminium alloy made by Oscam. Dry weight was 185 kgs.
Colourings : Single colouring, That is red, white and green diagonal stripes. The legend "exup" appears on the fairing. Wheels are three spoked white Oscam.
Performance : There was not a report on the bikes performance at the time.
Production : A total of 252 YB8's were built. 242 as complete bikes and 10 kits.

[sugilite]

Yep, I saw that one, manufacturers always show the next years model at those shows.

[crazy man]

Yep, I saw that one, manufacturers always show the next years model at those shows.time to tell me to get f--d cause l'm nasty

[Billy]

You should have told him to get fucked

It is nothing to do with model year designation and the NZPCRA don't make the rules (they just get them changed to exclude shit they don't want)

From the MNZ rulebook
25.1 Introduction:

(C) Pre 89 which will consist of racing machines manufactured after the closing
date of the period 1982 class and before December 31st 1989.

See the word highlighted "manufactured" nothing in the rule book about model year designation, zip, zero, and the MNZ rulebook is the only one you have to worry about

Spot on Warwick,Every word of it,Especially the little ones

[Grumph]

Again it bears repeating - you build a bike to the letter of the rules in the current rulebook, right or bloody wrong....

There are several anomalies in the current post classic rules which the NZPCRA do not seem to have any intention of correcting. From what I've seen - from a considerable distance because they won't come South - they prefer to administer by reference to their published "interpretation" of the rules.
Away from the NI this just doesn't cut it as any club must run to the current MNZ rules.
They claim to be the oracles for post classic racing in NZ....right, now you're a recognised club, draw up some bloody remits to correct the mistakes and omissions in the book...or another club will.
How MNZ can recognise any club with NZ in the title when they have no SI representation I just don't know.....
Bring the Bim South - we'll accept it happily

[codgyoleracer]

Again it bears repeating - you build a bike to the letter of the rules in the current rulebook, right or bloody wrong....

There are several anomalies in the current post classic rules which the NZPCRA do not seem to have any intention of correcting. From what I've seen - from a considerable distance because they won't come South - they prefer to administer by reference to their published "interpretation" of the rules.
Away from the NI this just doesn't cut it as any club must run to the current MNZ rules.
They claim to be the oracles for post classic racing in NZ....right, now you're a recognised club, draw up some bloody remits to correct the mistakes and omissions in the book...or another club will.
How MNZ can recognise any club with NZ in the title when they have no SI representation I just don't know.....
Bring the Bim South - we'll accept it happily


Cool, just got back from travlling oversease + a look of GP at Phillip Island , to find this healthy discussion!.
The mainlanders offer is definatly something to look forward to, best tracks are in the southern peninsular anyway. :-) & i think the bimmer will enjoy their layouts, as its real stable on the side of its tyre after my initial ride.

Have got a bunch of stuff supporting the 89 thing, and the bikes pretty old school anyway. Conventional forks, weight and geometry almost identical to the FZR in race trim, + same wheels and motor as the FZR. Brakes are a bit better spec though as they used Brembo gear as standard which is cool with disc sizes the same as the FZR, I have kept the stock calipers of course!. I havent bothered bracing the swingarm like i did on the Fizzer - as it seems to be a little more stiff in this area.

Billy makes a good point - & i scratch my head on the "pre" wording.............., but same applies in OZ so it must be right ? (dont mention the rugby).

Looking forward to racefairings getting the fairings finished and jono wagner throwin some paint on em, - suggestions for colour ?

GW

[slowpoke]

Cool, just got back from travlling oversease + a look of GP at Phillip Island , to find this healthy discussion!.
The mainlanders offer is definatly something to look forward to, best tracks are in the southern peninsular anyway. :-) & i think the bimmer will enjoy their layouts, as its real stable on the side of its tyre after my initial ride.

Have got a bunch of stuff supporting the 89 thing, and the bikes pretty old school anyway. Conventional forks, weight and geometry almost idenntial to the FZR in race trim, + same wheels and motor as the FZR. Brakes are a bit better spec though as they used Brembo gear as standard which is cool with disc sizes the same as the FZR, I have kept the stock calipers of course!. I havent bothered bracing the swingarm like i did on the Fizzer - as it seems to be a little more stiff in this area.

Billy makes a good point - & i scratch my head on the "pre" wording.............., but same applies in OZ so it must be right ? (dont mention the rugby).

Looking forward to racefairings getting the fairings finished and jono wagner throwin some paint on em, - suggestions for colour ?

GW

Sprung!! I thought that was you in the "close-but-not-quite-the-same" dodgy marshall's oufit wheeling Rossi's munted Duc out the gate and muttering something about "pre-89".

Your Bimota signor? She issa Italiano no? Itta mussa be a RED! (to match a few of the faces going apoplectic in the background whenever it turns up, haha)

[Peter Smith]

Have got a bunch of stuff supporting the 89 thing,
GW

I suggest, as I did before, that you send a copy of the "stuff supporting the 89 thing" and send it into NZPCRA club. This would stop all the whining and prevent any protests.
I look forward to following you around the track again, or at least till the first turn.:2thumbsup

[Deano]

Looking forward to racefairings getting the fairings finished and jono wagner throwin some paint on em, - suggestions for colour ?

GW

Factory - White and red with green striping.
(If I've got the model correct)

[codgyoleracer]

I suggest, as I did before, that you send a copy of the "stuff supporting the 89 thing" and send it into NZPCRA club. This would stop all the whining and prevent any protests.
I look forward to following you around the track again, or at least till the first turn.:2thumbsup

1) Hi Pete, No real need too submit info, - the process of protest (if it ever did occur) is actually quite a healthy thing in my mind and it puts to test the system, the rules and all the people involved.

Long live the kiwi way of chinese whispers & whining, - it makes the whole thing so much more fun! :-)

2) I reakon you'll kick my arse to the first turn mate - the clutch on that thing of mine is grabbier than a jandal on sandpaper - has anyone got a fix for that ?. I remember someone up north had a cable clutch fitted to their FZR to replace the hydraulic actuator - did this help with that trait?

GW

[codgyoleracer]

Factory - White and red with green striping.
(If I've got the model correct)

You are correct sir, the only problem is repairing repainting all those tri-colours when it gets scratched up.............

[codgyoleracer]

Snapped <tenchars/>

Man i stopped playing that game when i was 7, have moved onto last card now.

[codgyoleracer]

Your Bimota signor? She issa Italiano no? Itta mussa be a RED! (to match a few of the faces going apoplectic in the background whenever it turns up, haha)[/QUOTE]

Spud, dontya know all red bikes are slooooow......... - Um , what colour is your bike again... ? :-)

[slowpoke]

Spud, dontya know all red bikes are slooooow......... - Um , what colour is your bike again... ? :-)

Hell no, they're fast as all fuck, my bike (or to be more precise me on my bike) is just the exception that proves the rule. Now get back on the blower with your lawyer, you've got a protest defence to arrange.

[Grumph]

2) I reakon you'll kick my arse to the first turn mate - the clutch on that thing of mine is grabbier than a jandal on sandpaper - has anyone got a fix for that ?. I remember someone up north had a cable clutch fitted to their FZR to replace the hydraulic actuator - did this help with that trait?

GW[/QUOTE]

Yamaha clutches from this period frequently indent the clutch basket faces - nothing a session with a fine file can't fix.

[codgyoleracer]

2) I reakon you'll kick my arse to the first turn mate - the clutch on that thing of mine is grabbier than a jandal on sandpaper - has anyone got a fix for that ?. I remember someone up north had a cable clutch fitted to their FZR to replace the hydraulic actuator - did this help with that trait?

GW

Yamaha clutches from this period frequently indent the clutch basket faces - nothing a session with a fine file can't fix.[/QUOTE]

Roger that, - didnt notice any during assembly but will double check. Ta

[Billy]

I suggest, as I did before, that you send a copy of the "stuff supporting the 89 thing" and send it into NZPCRA club. This would stop all the whining and prevent any protests.
I look forward to following you around the track again, or at least till the first turn.:2thumbsup

Err,No need,MNZ enforce the rules,NZPCRA cannot!!!

[Peter Smith]

Err,No need,MNZ enforce the rules,NZPCRA cannot!!!
I agree the NZPCRA is not there to enforce the MNZ rules. But if there are questions over a bikes eligiblity the MNZ would ask the NZPCRA to look into it as these bikes are old and sometimes it takes a while to find all the facts, which is also a pain in the butt.
The last thing a club needs while trying to run a race meeting are protests about bikes most people know very little about.
It is easier to get it all cleared before racing.
I have done this myself prior to a race season, so if there was a complaint about my bike I had my own proof and a letter from the NZPCRA.
I have never been protested against and have never laid a protest.
But it does happen from time to time. :girlfight::cry:

[Peter Smith]

Yamaha clutches from this period frequently indent the clutch basket faces - nothing a session with a fine file can't fix.

Roger that, - didnt notice any during assembly but will double check. Ta[/QUOTE]

My Gixer has the same problem with its hydraulic clutch. I tried another clutch basket which was in good condition but the problem is still there. :shit:

[Grumph]

My Gixer has the same problem with its hydraulic clutch. I tried another clutch basket which was in good condition but the problem is still there. :shit:[/QUOTE]

Not using Barnett plates are you ? Holden couldn't live with them and made us take them out of our 1100. He was happiest with stock suzuki plates.

[Peter Smith]

My Gixer has the same problem with its hydraulic clutch. I tried another clutch basket which was in good condition but the problem is still there. :shit:

Not using Barnett plates are you ? Holden couldn't live with them and made us take them out of our 1100. He was happiest with stock suzuki plates.[/QUOTE]

Yep, using Barnett. :facepalm::facepalm:

[sugilite]

1) Hi Pete, No real need too submit info, - the process of protest (if it ever did occur) is actually quite a healthy thing in my mind and it puts to test the system, the rules and all the people involved.

Long live the kiwi way of chinese whispers & whining, - it makes the whole thing so much more fun! :-)


There has been a few mentions of whining in this thread, and I'm kind of guessing they are aimed at me as I bought up the question of the bikes eligibility. I just wanted to say, After reading the magazine and finding it was being listed as 1990 model, then finding the bike stats sites agreeing, asking the question is not to my mind whining, I was just curious.

I get the manufactured date thing, I read the rules before I started my (slow) build and thinking along similar lines as you Glen, that with H2 750's being sold in nz in late 1989 and I could use the 5 kg (yes really) lighter swingarm. Wahoo I thought and promptly bought one on ebay, only to be told in a later conversation about the model year thing by the NZPCRA pres effectively ruling it out. The pres mentioned something similar happened in regards to upside down forks being allowed on pre89 ZXR400's (I'm a bit fuzzy on that part of the convo, so don't quote me!). I did not know that it is not them that enforces the rules in the class, but I don't really see much difference if I were to pull up to one of their events and be told to put my bike back on the trailer as it is not eligible for their race meetings.

Personally, I know I'm never going to have the fastest bike in the 750, far from it, but I would like to at least be able to build the best bike I can to my funding limits and it be eligible to race in any blardy pre89 race thats run in NZ :lol: With the lay of the land as it is now, I guess each rider must make their own decision on how to approach it, mine was to drop the H2 swingarm idea, especially after a fellow racer told me he would protest if I tried it. (friendly fire too!)
Clearly Glen you have done your homework, and are a braver man than me for testing it thats for sure!

[codgyoleracer]

There has been a few mentions of whining in this thread, and I'm kind of guessing they are aimed at me as I bought up the question of the bikes eligibility. I just wanted to say, After reading the magazine and finding it was being listed as 1990 model, then finding the bike stats sites agreeing, asking the question is not to my mind whining, I was just curious.

I get the manufactured date thing, I read the rules before I started my (slow) build and thinking along similar lines as you Glen, that with H2 750's being sold in nz in late 1989 and I could use the 5 kg (yes really) lighter swingarm. Wahoo I thought and promptly bought one on ebay, only to be told in a later conversation about the model year thing by the NZPCRA pres effectively ruling it out. The pres mentioned something similar happened in regards to upside down forks being allowed on pre89 ZXR400's (I'm a bit fuzzy on that part of the convo, so don't quote me!). I did not know that it is not them that enforces the rules in the class, but I don't really see much difference if I were to pull up to one of their events and be told to put my bike back on the trailer as it is not eligible for their race meetings.

Personally, I know I'm never going to have the fastest bike in the 750, far from it, but I would like to at least be able to build the best bike I can to my funding limits and it be eligible to race in any blardy pre89 race thats run in NZ :lol: With the lay of the land as it is now, I guess each rider must make their own decision on how to approach it, mine was to drop the H2 swingarm idea, especially after a fellow racer told me he would protest if I tried it. (friendly fire too!)
Clearly Glen you have done your homework, and are a braver man than me for testing it thats for sure!

Haha , yeah no worries & never anything personal with me mate, - I suspect that any machine thats close to the cut off period will get some debate going!

As i say the bike even though it is from a specialist manufacture - is not particularily groundbreaking...... (it uses the identical frame to the YB6 and the same motor as the 89 Fizzer (in fact the motor is my old one from the FZR thats in it and it has the same carbs etc, so really wont be any more HP etc.).

I can only dream of 160hp + GSXR's............ :-)

Its a nice unique piece of kit to own though & it makes avery nice noise with its new exhaust ! (much nicer than anything green,,,,,,,,,,, :-)

IMO ZXRs handle far to well & should be banned on that basis alone.........:shifty:

[crazy man]

Haha , yeah no worries & never anything personal with me mate, - I suspect that any machine thats close to the cut off period will get some debate going!

As i say the bike even though it is from a specialist manufacture - is not particularily groundbreaking...... (it uses the identical frame to the YB6 and the same motor as the 89 Fizzer (in fact the motor is my old one from the FZR thats in it and it has the same carbs etc, so really wont be any more HP etc.).

I can only dream of 160hp + GSXR's............ :-)

Its a nice unique piece of kit to own though & it makes avery nice noise with its new exhaust ! (much nicer than anything green,,,,,,,,,,, :-)

IMO ZXRs handle far to well & should be banned on that basis alone.........:shifty:l will let you off this time cause mine is black for now

[sharky]

There has been a few mentions of whining in this thread, and I'm kind of guessing they are aimed at me as I bought up the question of the bikes eligibility. I just wanted to say, After reading the magazine and finding it was being listed as 1990 model, then finding the bike stats sites agreeing, asking the question is not to my mind whining, I was just curious.

I get the manufactured date thing, I read the rules before I started my (slow) build and thinking along similar lines as you Glen, that with H2 750's being sold in nz in late 1989 and I could use the 5 kg (yes really) lighter swingarm. Wahoo I thought and promptly bought one on ebay, only to be told in a later conversation about the model year thing by the NZPCRA pres effectively ruling it out. The pres mentioned something similar happened in regards to upside down forks being allowed on pre89 ZXR400's (I'm a bit fuzzy on that part of the convo, so don't quote me!). I did not know that it is not them that enforces the rules in the class, but I don't really see much difference if I were to pull up to one of their events and be told to put my bike back on the trailer as it is not eligible for their race meetings.

Personally, I know I'm never going to have the fastest bike in the 750, far from it, but I would like to at least be able to build the best bike I can to my funding limits and it be eligible to race in any blardy pre89 race thats run in NZ :lol: With the lay of the land as it is now, I guess each rider must make their own decision on how to approach it, mine was to drop the H2 swingarm idea, especially after a fellow racer told me he would protest if I tried it. (friendly fire too!)
Clearly Glen you have done your homework, and are a braver man than me for testing it thats for sure!

I have a ZXR400 H1. When I bought it, it was already a race bike and had the H2 swingarm on it, unbeknown to me. The guy told me it was eligible for Pre '89 so I raced it in the class at club rounds. Then I rocked up to the NZPCRA GP last year and was told it was illegal. They still let me race for the day though which was bloody good of them I thought (and they let me keep the trophy).
The next week I was back at a club round - I got protested and kicked out, as they said I now knew it was illegal - fair enough I reckon. I soon got the H1 swingarm after that - haha.

[crazy man]

I have a ZXR400 H1. When I bought it, it was already a race bike and had the H2 swingarm on it, unbeknown to me. The guy told me it was eligible for Pre '89 so I raced it in the class at club rounds. Then I rocked up to the NZPCRA GP last year and was told it was illegal. They still let me race for the day though which was bloody good of them I thought (and they let me keep the trophy).
The next week I was back at a club round - I got protested and kicked out, as they said I now knew it was illegal - fair enough I reckon. I soon got the H1 swingarm after that - haha.sounds like bike racing turned into car racing

[Billy]

I have a ZXR400 H1. When I bought it, it was already a race bike and had the H2 swingarm on it, unbeknown to me. The guy told me it was eligible for Pre '89 so I raced it in the class at club rounds. Then I rocked up to the NZPCRA GP last year and was told it was illegal. They still let me race for the day though which was bloody good of them I thought (and they let me keep the trophy).
The next week I was back at a club round - I got protested and kicked out, as they said I now knew it was illegal - fair enough I reckon. I soon got the H1 swingarm after that - haha.

And then you crashed and got nowhere LMFAO! Must have been that swingarm keeping you upright eh!

[Peter Smith]

Its a nice unique piece of kit to own though & it makes avery nice noise with its new exhaust !

I'm looking forward to seeing it, I've only read about them in mags (back in my youthful days). It will be great to see something rare and different on the track.
Like when Dave Cole brings out the big Duke, its great for spectators and enthusiasts.

Are you coming to the GP at Taupo? Dave has won it the last few years and could do with some competition. I'm sure he was falling a sleep.:blink:

[codgyoleracer]

Are you coming to the GP at Taupo? Dave has won it the last few years and could do with some competition. I'm sure he was falling a sleep.:blink:



No, havent got the time to do that, and as said before - until the NZPCRA is able to run individual class championships the "series" doesnt really interest me.

I think your Ducati/Cole prediction could be right !, however maybe the Kat or The Gee will be participating and able to keep him honest ?

[sharky]

And then you crashed and got nowhere LMFAO! Must have been that swingarm keeping you upright eh!

Actually that crash on Sunday was my first one in quite a while - think it was more 'the curse of the new fairings':shutup:

[SPman]

They don't have to be available they just have to be manufactured prior to the end of December 1989

You've said that one was shown in Milan in 1989 so that means at least one was manufactured prior to the Dec 31st 1989 cut off
Manufactured and sold as are not neccesarily the same thing. I had a "1988" FZR 750, that, when checking the frame/engine numbers, was actually manufactured in 1986....

[codgyoleracer]

I get the manufactured date thing, I read the rules before I started my (slow) build and thinking along similar lines as you Glen, that with H2 750's being sold in nz in late 1989 and I could use the 5 kg (yes really) lighter swingarm. Wahoo I thought and promptly bought one on ebay, only to be told in a later conversation about the model year thing by the NZPCRA pres effectively ruling it out. !

IMO, if that swingarm was around in that time period as you say then owners back then theoreticllay could have fitted it to any 89 model in its day.

So "if you could do it in 89, then you can do it now". The only proof you need is that it actually existed.
An example is my braced swingarm on the FZR, it wasnt stock in the day, however it was somehting that anyone could do to their bike, so no problem?

GW

[sugilite]

Yes, that was my take on it too after reading the rules. Guess I may need Proof from Kawasaki NZ they were selling H2's in 89. And yes, for sure bracing the swingarm would be fine as it was a common mod back in the day. To tell the truth, ram airing a H1 raised my eyebrows, but was told it was fine as the president of the nzpcra himself actually did that mod to a 89 h1. So I'm going to build one for the bike. I'm assembling the chassis now and the motor parts I have been collecting from the UK will be here next week :yes:

I'd imagine the Bimota should handle quite a bit better than the fzr, I've read good things about that frame. I'd be struggling to get my 750 down to your base weight before you take the lights n that off :lol: Was also wondering if it were legal (or even possible) for a ZX10 motor to be shoe horned in :shifty:

[codgyoleracer]

Was also wondering if it were legal (or even possible) for a ZX10 motor to be shoe horned in :shifty:

Yeah ZX10 will be fine bro, - Just use the same tactics as they used to use for the 6 hour and 2 hour races. I;E , win the race, then ride in off the track, carry on out the gate & ride home............

[Drew]

Why do post classic bikes not need to be homologated?

And whoever said that they could run a 1990 Gixxer to get teh 5.5inch rear wheel, you are allowed to put whatever wheels ya want on the bike in the name of safety I think you'll find.

[Kickaha]

. Guess I may need Proof from Kawasaki NZ they were selling H2's in 89
:facepalm: You don't need any proof about anything to do with sales, you only have to prove it was manufactured before the end of December 1989, it doesn't have to have been sold before then



And whoever said that they could run a 1990 Gixxer to get the 5.5inch rear wheel, you are allowed to put whatever wheels ya want on the bike in the name of safety I think you'll find.
Pre89 wheel rules

25.5.2 Wheels
Front wheel shall have a maximum width of 3.5” and minimum diameter of 16”.
Rear wheel shall have a maximum width of 5.5” and minimum diameter of 16”.
Wheels can be cast or spoke type.
Magnesium wheels are permitted. Carbon fibre wheels are banned.

[crazy man]

Yes, that was my take on it too after reading the rules. Guess I may need Proof from Kawasaki NZ they were selling H2's in 89. And yes, for sure bracing the swingarm would be fine as it was a common mod back in the day. To tell the truth, ram airing a H1 raised my eyebrows, but was told it was fine as the president of the nzpcra himself actually did that mod to a 89 h1. So I'm going to build one for the bike. I'm assembling the chassis now and the motor parts I have been collecting from the UK will be here next week :yes:

I'd imagine the Bimota should handle quite a bit better than the fzr, I've read good things about that frame. I'd be struggling to get my 750 down to your base weight before you take the lights n that off :lol: Was also wondering if it were legal (or even possible) for a ZX10 motor to be shoe horned in :shifty:who is the president of the nzpcra? think l have some of his old bike keven g?

[Grumph]

I agree the NZPCRA is not there to enforce the MNZ rules. But if there are questions over a bikes eligiblity the MNZ would ask the NZPCRA to look into it as these bikes are old and sometimes it takes a while to find all the facts, which is also a pain in the butt.
The last thing a club needs while trying to run a race meeting are protests about bikes most people know very little about.
It is easier to get it all cleared before racing.
I have done this myself prior to a race season, so if there was a complaint about my bike I had my own proof and a letter from the NZPCRA.
I have never been protested against and have never laid a protest.
But it does happen from time to time. :girlfight::cry:

Sorry Mr Williams to hijack your thread but I can't let this go unchallenged....I see no provision in the rules for MNZ to ask any club for an opinion on eligibility. Any question would have to arise from a protest for which there are procedures laid down. And as it is stated in the rules frequently - the onus of proof is on the competitor. If a standard protest committee can't reach an agreement and it goes to appeal surely three stewards can sort a matter of proof. I can't see either where a letter from NZPCRA carries any weight as proof of eligibility....
I'd love to hear from Mr Smith where he got the idea from that NZPCRA are so different from any other club in NZ in that they are able to certify a bikes date of manufacture.

[Billy]

To tell the truth, ram airing a H1 raised my eyebrows, but was told it was fine as the president of the nzpcra himself actually did that mod to a 89 h1.

Yes he did,But he didnt own that bike until around 1991,So therefore although the machine was an H1,It was not ram aired until after 1990,Does that still mean its legal???

That was Russell Josiahs racebike from the 89-90 series and in fact is now the Steadman 750 triple

[codgyoleracer]

Yes he did,But he didnt own that bike until around 1991,So therefore although the machine was an H1,It was not ram aired until after 1990,Does that still mean its legal???

I doubt it as none of those parts are considered "a major component", and ram air or scoops for air intake have been around a long time I.E before even YOU were a nipper..... (and that sir is a loooooooong time) :-)

[Billy]

Yes he did,But he didnt own that bike until around 1991,So therefore although the machine was an H1,It was not ram aired until after 1990,Does that still mean its legal???

I doubt it as none of those parts are considered "a major compnent", and ram air or scoops for air intake have been around a long time I.E before even YOU were a nipper..... (and that sir is a loooooooong time) :-)

How would you know what was happening before I was a nipper young fella???:wings:

[codgyoleracer]

Sorry Mr Williams to hijack your thread but I can't let this go unchallenged....I see no provision in the rules for MNZ to ask any club for an opinion on eligibility. Any question would have to arise from a protest for which there are procedures laid down. And as it is stated in the rules frequently - the onus of proof is on the competitor. If a standard protest committee can't reach an agreement and it goes to appeal surely three stewards can sort a matter of proof. I can't see either where a letter from NZPCRA carries any weight as proof of eligibility....
I'd love to hear from Mr Smith where he got the idea from that NZPCRA are so different from any other club in NZ in that they are able to certify a bikes date of manufacture.

No worries raising this matter at all, theres far too many "ducks and drakes" about these sort of things aye - and the protest rules applies to all of our various forms of road-race classes. The more information and clarity that we can get out to the general publics/competitors then the less confusion!

The MNZ laid out rules for protest make it very clear how it should all be done (if required). Its a process that provide rights (and penalties) to both parties. + its also a process that i have faith in, as the person protesting needs to have a pretty solid footing to get the process / wheels in motion. (I.E - a page from a google search aint gonna cut it......)

[codgyoleracer]

How would you know what was happening before I was a nipper young fella???:wings:


My granddad told me......... :sick:

[Billy]

No worries raising this matter at all, theres far too many "ducks and drakes" about these sort of things aye - and the protest rules applies to all of our various forms of road-race classes. The more information and clarity that we can get out to the general publics/competitors then the less confusion!

The MNZ laid out rules for protest make it very clear how it should all be done (if required). Its a process that provide rights (and penalties) to both parties. + its also a process that i have faith in, as the person protesting needs to have a pretty solid footing to get the process / wheels in motion. (I.E - a page from a google search aint gonna cut it......)

Interestingly we had to clarify a ruling for a competitor just last night regarding post classic,It was a similar situation to one I ve been on the otherside of in the past that was at the time handled badly by the NZPCRA.Have no fear that now MNZ are presiding over the rulings for the class,Personalities will not enter into the process as has done in the past.

[Peter Smith]

Sorry Mr Williams to hijack your thread but I can't let this go unchallenged....I see no provision in the rules for MNZ to ask any club for an opinion on eligibility. Any question would have to arise from a protest for which there are procedures laid down. And as it is stated in the rules frequently - the onus of proof is on the competitor. If a standard protest committee can't reach an agreement and it goes to appeal surely three stewards can sort a matter of proof. I can't see either where a letter from NZPCRA carries any weight as proof of eligibility....
I'd love to hear from Mr Smith where he got the idea from that NZPCRA are so different from any other club in NZ in that they are able to certify a bikes date of manufacture.

Sorry Glen, but he requested a reply.
OK. The NZPCRA do not certify bike, I never suggested that.
The idea of contacting them is simply to try and prevent bitch fights at race meetings.
An unbiased letter/ email from the NZPCRA technical comittee can help prevent arguement and protests, thats all.

There have been false documents presented in the past at race meetings to allow bikes to compete in post classics that were clearly outside the rules. But because the rider had false proof and the race club were not experts on 20 year old bikes he was allowed to compete in that class, it took months to get that issue sorted.

I race in this class because it is fun, these guy's are bike enthuiasts like myself and it is nice to turn up at a meeting and have some races, chat to the guy's and go home happy.
As a previous comittee member, it is a pain in the butt spending a race day dealing with complaints and protests, when I need to focus on racing and the officials are trying to run a race meeting.

Contacting the NZPCRA was only a suggestion. My Bad, won't do it again, my applogies for trying to help. :facepalm::facepalm:

Glen, I look forward to racing against a Bimota.

[Drew]

Pre89 wheel rules

25.5.2 Wheels
Front wheel shall have a maximum width of 3.5” and minimum diameter of 16”.
Rear wheel shall have a maximum width of 5.5” and minimum diameter of 16”.
Wheels can be cast or spoke type.
Magnesium wheels are permitted. Carbon fibre wheels are banned.

Ok then pedant! You can run ALMOST any wheels ya want. Would take a very special individual indeed to go wider than 5.5 inch wide rear wheel, unless they are going drag racing.

[Mental Trousers]

FFS!!!!!

You clowns must be related to Shaun!!!!!


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[codgyoleracer]

Sorry Glen, but he requested a reply.
OK. The NZPCRA do not certify bike, I never suggested that.
The idea of contacting them is simply to try and prevent bitch fights at race meetings.
An unbiased letter/ email from the NZPCRA technical comittee can help prevent arguement and protests, thats all.

There have been false documents presented in the past at race meetings to allow bikes to compete in post classics that were clearly outside the rules. But because the rider had false proof and the race club were not experts on 20 year old bikes he was allowed to compete in that class, it took months to get that issue sorted.

I race in this class because it is fun, these guy's are bike enthuiasts like myself and it is nice to turn up at a meeting and have some races, chat to the guy's and go home happy.
As a previous comittee member, it is a pain in the butt spending a race day dealing with complaints and protests, when I need to focus on racing and the officials are trying to run a race meeting.

Contacting the NZPCRA was only a suggestion. My Bad, won't do it again, my applogies for trying to help. :facepalm::facepalm:

Glen, I look forward to racing against a Bimota.

No worries Pete, i can see that there is plenty of knowledge to tap into at the NZPCRA - so if its there then yes why not use it - I fully agree.

On another note , I am so far behind in my prep this year due to work that it makes me wonder why i started.......But then again plenty of work means that there is $ in my pocket and the toys in the shed benefit long term!

[Peter Smith]

FFS!!!!!

You Shaun must be related to a clown!!!!!


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Thats a bit harsh on poor old Shaun. :shutup:

[crazy man]

No worries Pete, i can see that there is plenty of knowledge to tap into at the NZPCRA - so if its there then yes why not use it - I fully agree.

On another note , I am so far behind in my prep this year due to work that it makes me wonder why i started.......But then again plenty of work means that there is $ in my pocket and the toys in the shed benefit long term!its that guy helping you holding you up l would say

[codgyoleracer]

its that guy helping you holding you up l would say

Haha , you could be right there, - but I aint gonna fire him just yet ... :-)

[Mental Trousers]

its that guy helping you holding you up l would say

Haha , you could be right there, - but I aint gonna fire him just yet ... :-)

You'd probably find that everyone else would be disappointed if you did fire him heh

[codgyoleracer]

You'd probably find that everyone else would be disappointed if you did fire him heh

That'd be true, He is so busy making three more trellis frames like my SV one he made for me, Handy fella to have on your side and knows how to ride too.

Hows the pommie triple coming along there , made some more progress ? GW

[crazy man]

You'd probably find that everyone else would be disappointed if you did fire him hehhow is that bike of yours going not seen you out there

[crazy man]

That'd be true, He is so busy making three more trellis frames like my SV one he made for me, Handy fella to have on your side and knows how to ride too.

Hows the pommie triple coming along there , made some more progress ? GWl would say hes good with a grinder a big bugger lol

[Mental Trousers]

Hows the pommie triple coming along there , made some more progress ? GW

Getting there. Found 15% more horsepower when I put it on the dyno a couple of weeks back. Nothing startling powerwise but at least it's not far off the average SV now and Gary was surprised at well it took to being tweaked on the dyno. Looks very promising for more tweaking. Gonna look at ways to remove weight from it soon cos she's a bit portly, although I think the most gains will be made from making the rider lighter unfortunately. Wish a slipper clutch and close ratio gearbox existed for these things though!!

[Mental Trousers]

how is that bike of yours going not seen you out there

Didn't do any of the VMCC but will be at Taupo for the last round. Looking forward to it cos I had a single race (as in one for the day) last weekend at the AMCC round and that's been it for 8 months so far!!

[codgyoleracer]

Getting there. Found 15% more horsepower when I put it on the dyno a couple of weeks back. Nothing startling powerwise but at least it's not far off the average SV now and Gary was surprised at well it took to being tweaked on the dyno. Looks very promising for more tweaking. Gonna look at ways to remove weight from it soon cos she's a bit portly, although I think the most gains will be made from making the rider lighter unfortunately. Wish a slipper clutch and close ratio gearbox existed for these things though!!

Great to hear, my old bimota banger is getting there to and hopefully will make a race meeting soon.

[crazy man]

Didn't do any of the VMCC but will be at Taupo for the last round. Looking forward to it cos I had a single race (as in one for the day) last weekend at the AMCC round and that's been it for 8 months so far!!cool l will watch but my bro will be there in your class

[codgyoleracer]

l would say hes good with a grinder a big bugger lol

He specialises in grinders, chisels, hammers, & cable ties..... :-)

[crazy man]

He specialises in grinders, chisels, hammers, & cable ties..... :-)just like his great granddad a black smith lol

[codgyoleracer]

Interestingly we had to clarify a ruling for a competitor just last night regarding post classic,It was a similar situation to one I ve been on the otherside of in the past that was at the time handled badly by the NZPCRA.Have no fear that now MNZ are presiding over the rulings for the class,Personalities will not enter into the process as has done in the past.

Thats good to hear Billy, however i have no doubt that there are plenty of good people associated with one particular club ( NZPCRA ) that could be "tapped on the shoulder" for comment/assistance (if required). + there are other individuals around also that may have "of period knowledge" first hand (I:E old buggers like you), - that could be just as helpfull.

Cant wait to get back into the shed & get the Bimota finished so i can come out to play. :-)

[Corsa.co]

Anybody could buy a YB8 from Bimota (If you could afford) in 1989 after the show on, and some did.The same bike was sold as a YB6 Exup in some markets in 89, different stickers only. In the UK, they were not sold in 89, as the Dealer still had YB6`s (Non exup engine) that they wanted to clear first.

The earlier Yb6 uses the same frame the YB8 anyway, and the 89 Fzr exup engine shows 88 manufacture marks,and has had little controversy for pre89.
So it could be argued the YB8 was available in 1988 as a kitset :-)

[ellipsis]

Cant wait to get back into the shed & get the Bimota finished so i can come out to play. :-)

...hope you can bring it down to Levels in 2014 when we are holding the two day CAMS Classic and Post Classic Festival...a bit in the future but time scoots by real quick these days for us older buggers, it seems....

[codgyoleracer]

...hope you can bring it down to Levels in 2014 when we are holding the two day CAMS Classic and Post Classic Festival...a bit in the future but time scoots by real quick these days for us older buggers, it seems....

Now that sounds like its worth making the effort for!, maybe a north island / south island challenge would add some spice ?, was also hoping that the Greymouth street race might include the Pre89 bikes this last year & would liek to attend that too when it happens.

[ellipsis]

, maybe a north island / south island challenge would add some spice ?.

...sure as hell, would...

[slowpoke]

...hope you can bring it down to Levels in 2014 when we are holding the two day CAMS Classic and Post Classic Festival...a bit in the future but time scoots by real quick these days for us older buggers, it seems....

Have you got a handle on exactly what classes you're looking at running? Is this Post-89 carb'd malarkey getting a guernsey? Sounds like a hoot and I might be able to slip enough parts past the missus under cover of darkness and subterfuge in a year and a bit to cobble something raceable together.......

[ellipsis]

....still to work on details etc..all classic, girder, post classic classes...I may have posted more than once at various times that the club philosophy is about fun and promotion of motorcycle racing...the premier class is usually a debateable issue, depending on what class you ride in...Pre 89 is not as advanced down here yet, as it is up North but its going to get that way....if there is to be more involved than just the kudos of being here and involved, such as cups, prizes etc, then we will be doing it by the MNZ book...a fair bit of time to sort this out before then...some kind of unity, between us all, would be a cool thing...

[codgyoleracer]

Have you got a handle on exactly what classes you're looking at running? Is this Post-89 carb'd malarkey getting a guernsey? Sounds like a hoot and I might be able to slip enough parts past the missus under cover of darkness and subterfuge in a year and a bit to cobble something raceable together.......

Thats 2 for the north island team, 6 selected for each and we will be there!

[codgyoleracer]

....still to work on details etc..all classic, girder, post classic classes...I may have posted more than once at various times that the club philosophy is about fun and promotion of motorcycle racing...the premier class is usually a debateable issue, depending on what class you ride in...Pre 89 is not as advanced down here yet, as it is up North but its going to get that way....if there is to be more involved than just the kudos of being here and involved, such as cups, prizes etc, then we will be doing it by the MNZ book...a fair bit of time to sort this out before then...some kind of unity, between us all, would be a cool thing...

I agree, best supported & most popular as predicted by the organizing commitee , would probably carry the most weight to claim "premier" ?. By the MNZ book is fine by me and long term is the most consistent approach for all involved.

[ellipsis]

...I think that the Pre89 Class is and will be the one that gets joe public on the edge of their seats..and it will be the fast and flash class on the day...shit, did I just say that...:innocent:

[Billy]

...I think that the Pre89 Class is and will be the one that gets joe public on the edge of their seats..and it will be the fast and flash class on the day...shit, did I just say that...:innocent:

Yes and with your outloud voice,The Bombay gods will hate you forever Haha!

[codgyoleracer]

Yes and with your outloud voice,The Bombay gods will hate you forever Haha!

Is that a bad thing ? :eek:

[Billy]

Is that a bad thing ? :eek:

And you know it!!!

[codgyoleracer]

They don't have to be available they just have to be manufactured prior to the end of December 1989

You've said that one was shown in Milan in 1989 so that means at least one was manufactured prior to the Dec 31st 1989 cut off

Thers a book writtin by a Bimota Guru, chaps name is corti or something like that.In it , he talks about the models relaease at the 89 show.

[codgyoleracer]

Soooo what meeting do you have plan to grace us with your presence oh speedy one. :sick:

Update on that Pete, i have the wet wheel spacers all sorted now - and body work is being painted as we speak (type), so Hampton 1st round of Tri-Series looks pretty certain. I could be on some wobbly lines though having not raced for a while :-).

[codgyoleracer]

Ok then pedant! You can run ALMOST any wheels ya want. Would take a very special individual indeed to go wider than 5.5 inch wide rear wheel, unless they are going drag racing.

Drew, dont ya know by now that the wheels on many posties cost more than the rest of the bike......... :-), Personally i would rather they were kept "stock" in the more recent year classes, as there are plenty around and it keeps the build costs lower. Older classes though there might be an argument for it?

[codgyoleracer]

Anybody could buy a YB8 from Bimota (If you could afford) in 1989 after the show on, and some did.The same bike was sold as a YB6 Exup in some markets in 89, different stickers only. In the UK, they were not sold in 89, as the Dealer still had YB6`s (Non exup engine) that they wanted to clear first.

The earlier Yb6 uses the same frame the YB8 anyway, and the 89 Fzr exup engine shows 88 manufacture marks,and has had little controversy for pre89.
So it could be argued the YB8 was available in 1988 as a kitset :-)


In the immortal words of "Talking Heads" - Stop making sense :-)

[Peter Smith]

Update on that Pete, i have the wet wheel spacers all sorted now - and body work is being painted as we speak (type), so Hampton 1st round of Tri-Series looks pretty certain. I could be on some wobbly lines though having not raced for a while :-).
I'll see you there, but as a spectator. I've decided to drop the tri series this year :weep: as I aim to take the Gixxer to Phillip Island in January for the Island Classic :eek: and can't afford to do both.
I look forward to seeing the Bimota on the track. :clap:

[codgyoleracer]

I'll see you there, but as a spectator. I've decided to drop the tri series this year :weep: as I aim to take the Gixxer to Phillip Island in January for the Island Classic :eek: and can't afford to do both.
I look forward to seeing the Bimota on the track. :clap:

What you need is less hp, Less hp = Less tyre wear / Fuel use / mainteneance / Laundry (dirty undies), Which all = Less cost = More racing :-)

[Peter Smith]

What you need is less hp, Less hp = Less tyre wear / Fuel use / mainteneance / Laundry (dirty undies), Which all = Less cost = More racing :-)

To be honest (which I always am) the bike is no quicker in a straight line than it was last year. I think the dyno results were dodgy.
It could be because by bike is still around the 200kg mark and the rider is 10kgs heavier too. :baby:

[crazy man]

To be honest (which I always am) the bike is no quicker in a straight line than it was last year. I think the dyno results were dodgy.
It could be because by bike is still around the 200kg mark and the rider is 10kgs heavier too. :baby:whos dyno l know of one up your way thats way out

[crazy man]

A dicky bird tells me that the low auckland boys have contacted bimota factory. god some people will drop so low to try anything to not let that bike out. thought it was about getting as meany bikes out there as possable!!

[ellipsis]

...we want to see it down here...sounds legal to us...we had a bunch of posties out at the Wigram Revival Meeting at Ruapuna on the weekend...39 of us on 63's thru to 89's...sounds all fucked up but we got away with probably 50 plus laps with only two offs all weekend...Dennis Ireland on a GS1000, John Beck on the RG500, Patrick Jones on an FZR 1000 and everything else you can imagine....Scout Fletcher was out on a Pre89 125...finished up in the top 6 all weekend...the car club put up a marquee for us...we felt rather special for being a support class for the cars...

http://youtu.be/rtdrZG7u1cQ

[codgyoleracer]

...we want to see it down here...sounds legal to us...we had a bunch of posties out at the Wigram Revival Meeting at Ruapuna on the weekend...39 of us on 63's thru to 89's...sounds all fucked up but we got away with probably 50 plus laps with only two offs all weekend...Dennis Ireland on a GS1000, John Beck on the RG500, Patrick Jones on an FZR 1000 and everything else you can imagine....Scout Fletcher was out on a Pre89 125...finished up in the top 6 all weekend...the car club put up a marquee for us...we felt rather special for being a support class for the cars...

http://youtu.be/rtdrZG7u1cQ

Great Vid, did i spy a CB1100R there ?

[codgyoleracer]

A dicky bird tells me that the low auckland boys have contacted bimota factory. god some people will drop so low to try anything to not let that bike out. thought it was about getting as meany bikes out there as possable!!

HaHa, I just heard about that :-0, Takes a bit of effort to build up a bike like this and i would hope that it gets too see the light of day!:brick:

[Billy]

HaHa, I just heard about that :-0, Takes a bit of effort to build up a bike like this and i would hope that it gets too see the light of day!:brick:

You just keep building oh orange one,The rulebook clearly states year of manufacture and if it was at the Milan show in 89,It must have been manufactured in 89,Right???

Leave it to the roadrace commission at MNZ they enforce the rules,Not the NZPCRA.

[Grumph]

Great Vid, did i spy a CB1100R there ?

Yeah, that's Rob Lewis's one - which he'd allowed brother Bill to ride.....he just hadn't warned him that the brakes would go away after two laps.....
When Rob turned up on Sunday it was funny to watch if you weren't involved....

Dennis Ireland quite enjoyed our GS1000 - but doesn't have a burning desire to race posties unfortunately. If an RG fell into his hands maybe.....

Keep building the Bim....we'll make you an honorary Mainlander if necessary.

[Billy]

Keep building the Bim....we'll make you an honorary Mainlander if necessary.

You can have him fulltime if you want,He just doesn't fit in in the pig island anyway,Constantly causes trouble LOL

[codgyoleracer]

Yeah, that's Rob Lewis's one - which he'd allowed brother Bill to ride.....he just hadn't warned him that the brakes would go away after two laps.....
When Rob turned up on Sunday it was funny to watch if you weren't involved....

Dennis Ireland quite enjoyed our GS1000 - but doesn't have a burning desire to race posties unfortunately. If an RG fell into his hands maybe.....

Keep building the Bim....we'll make you an honorary Mainlander if necessary.


Thats some nice gear & some cool riders ya got there mate!. My wife was born in Roxburgh, so i have one foot in the door. :-)

[codgyoleracer]

You can have him fulltime if you want,He just doesn't fit in in the pig island anyway,Constantly causes trouble LOL

I see a bit of pot calling kettle black in that one ;-), Are we still allowed to use that analogy in this PC world ?

[codgyoleracer]

You just keep building oh orange one,The rulebook clearly states year of manufacture and if it was at the Milan show in 89,It must have been manufactured in 89,Right???

Leave it to the roadrace commission at MNZ they enforce the rules,Not the NZPCRA.

But what if it was just a cardboard cutout ? :lol:

[codgyoleracer]

Have you got a handle on exactly what classes you're looking at running? Is this Post-89 carb'd malarkey getting a guernsey? Sounds like a hoot and I might be able to slip enough parts past the missus under cover of darkness and subterfuge in a year and a bit to cobble something raceable together.......

I know where there is a pretty trick FZR1000 frame, - would be a good starting point.........

[worm13]

trick meanin bimota fzr1000?? also if you wanna be a right c**t about it have you got a frame number that matches the 89 manufacturing time line as only a few were made at the end of 89... yet no one has rasied that question.. maybe alot like the bimota.
just stiring the pot a little bit more no wonder i have no mates haha.:facepalm:

[codgyoleracer]

trick meanin bimota fzr1000?? also if you wanna be a right c**t about it have you got a frame number that matches the 89 manufacturing time line as only a few were made at the end of 89... yet no one has rasied that question.. maybe alot like the bimota.
just stiring the pot a little bit more no wonder i have no mates haha.:facepalm:

Yip, bit like the 1990 - 94 models of the various 88-89 designed/manufatured bikes out there, essentially if the same bike series is unchanged - then date of manufacture is irrelevant aye.

Now - as for the real question , How come 450cc bikes are not allowed in the new "F3" posties class :devil2:

[worm13]

careful you will end up like me with no mates... and no painter hahaha... my picking is look back at the period of 89 f3 and do you see 450 f3 bikes there.... boom got ya there :bleh: now go back and fit your illegal fairings to your illegal bike:laugh:

[codgyoleracer]

careful you will end up like me with no mates... and no painter hahaha... my picking is look back at the period of 89 f3 and do you see 450 f3 bikes there.... boom got ya there :bleh: now go back and fit your illegal fairings to your illegal bike:laugh:

HaHa , Hmmm, I can see the 450 boys being really really happy about racing against kitted 600's........, Just on the basis of easily checking such things its best to keep those types of mods open ?

Now can you lend me your big hammer to fit those 1650cc kit pistons in my Bimota....

[sugilite]

Now can you lend me your big hammer to fit those 1650cc kit pistons in my Bimota....

So your only fitting the small bore kit then? :bleh:
My 2 litre oval piston kit should be here soon :devil2:

[worm13]

I dont have a period hammer sorry.. speaking of which not sure if the glass and resin is period based could be another way to protest it hahaha and ts proven the paint is from a 2004 bike i think your doomed buddy... best to pack your project up and give me my evenings holding down the couch back :)

[Billy]

careful you will end up like me with no mates... and no painter hahaha... my picking is look back at the period of 89 f3 and do you see 450 f3 bikes there.... boom got ya there :bleh: now go back and fit your illegal fairings to your illegal bike:laugh:

So does that mean the 400s are allowed to run methanol/nitro methane mix as many did back in the days your talking about???Also care to explain the 250 production based 2 strokes too me,They werent eligible until the mid 90s,Also I can think of 2 bikes that won F3 championships back under the old rules that were 450s so are those 2 bikes still eligible seeing as they were never caught cheating???Cause I know where they both are and could drive there and buy them in under 20 minutes,Also care to explain too me the RGV250M thats been running in pre 89 right under your nose for the Actrix series this year???

[codgyoleracer]

So your only fitting the small bore kit then? :bleh:
My 2 litre oval piston kit should be here soon :devil2:

No the smaller kit size goes better with the cosworth developed 7 valve heads, but i thought you knew that ?

Watch out for those oval things , some people might start calling you an egg :-) . I note an OWO1 is turning up for Tri-Series ! NICE:niceone:

[codgyoleracer]

I dont have a period hammer sorry.. speaking of which not sure if the glass and resin is period based could be another way to protest it hahaha and ts proven the paint is from a 2004 bike i think your doomed buddy... best to pack your project up and give me my evenings holding down the couch back :)

Now that you mention, you do have a remarkable resemblance to a potato's shape.......... ;-), as you were the purchaser of said paint, i think all rectifcation work should be started immeadiaty (all at your own cost of course...........), cancel the fishing trip and light both ends of that candle!

[Billy]

I dont have a period hammer sorry.. speaking of which not sure if the glass and resin is period based could be another way to protest it hahaha :)



Nope,I made those fairings,Bought the resin and glass from R and H fibreglass on railway road in November 1989 when I owned Tremaine Autopainters in tremaine ave,Wanna see the reciept???

[codgyoleracer]

Nope,I made those fairings,Bought the resin and glass from R and H fibreglass on railway road in November 1989 when I owned Tremaine Autopainters in tremaine ave,Wanna see the reciept???

Hey, stop using out of date stock on my work bro..........

[worm13]

sorry billy wasnt meaning to upset people more just winding glen up, at this point of time i currently have something in front of the nzpcra for a mod with my bike and its been a bit of a laugh away from kiwibiker, if its mark ellen you are talking about with the rgv250m at round 2 he was told that the bike wasnt a true 89 posties bike as i was the one that brought it up he was fine about that and he was happy to have points pulled which happened due to me making a mess of my self with a crash at round 2 i wasnt really around the track so i cant answer if he carried on or not, also if it there was someone alse out there with a rgv250m or other non pre 89 bike out there why didnt anyone bring this point up? as everyone knows anyone can make a protest, my understanding for the f3 part of the rules are to bring it along side the rules as per what aus currently run and to make the rules based on what the rules were in 89 hence the non 450 part. also im not a tech rep or even a memeber of nzpcra but would like to see the line drawn in the sand some where but the question is where.
wow nuplex would be stoked that their resin can still glue shit together 23 years on.
anyways man as i said im not here to upset anyone or get on the wrong side of anyone i just would to see a standard set and leave it at that.
Cheers
Jono

[codgyoleracer]

sorry billy wasnt meaning to upset people more just winding glen up, at this point of time i currently have something in front of the nzpcra for a mod with my bike and its been a bit of a laugh away from kiwibiker, if its mark ellen you are talking about with the rgv250m at round 2 he was told that the bike wasnt a true 89 posties bike as i was the one that brought it up he was fine about that and he was happy to have points pulled which happened due to me making a mess of my self with a crash at round 2 i wasnt really around the track so i cant answer if he carried on or not, also if it there was someone alse out there with a rgv250m or other non pre 89 bike out there why didnt anyone bring this point up? as everyone knows anyone can make a protest, my understanding for the f3 part of the rules are to bring it along side the rules as per what aus currently run and to make the rules based on what the rules were in 89 hence the non 450 part. also im not a tech rep or even a memeber of nzpcra but would like to see the line drawn in the sand some where but the question is where.
wow nuplex would be stoked that their resin can still glue shit together 23 years on.
anyways man as i said im not here to upset anyone or get on the wrong side of anyone i just would to see a standard set and leave it at that.
Cheers
Jono


Well i am royally screwed then !, as the bimota wasnt homolagated in 1989 in NZ, so it must be banned ! ? :msn-wink::msn-wink:

Local rules "at the time" have no bearing , as class is based on "worldwide availability", which is why sugalites swingarm is absolutly fine IMO, he just needs to find the date of manufacture of the part, cos if it was on an early 1990 model in the marketplace then there would be a 99% chance that kawasaki would have designed it , & tested it way before that aye

Fit it up sugalite, I will stand beside you in the dock & defend ya ! :-)
GW

[worm13]

Well i am royally screwed then !, as the bimota wasnt homolagated in 1989 in NZ, so it must be banned ! ? :msn-wink::msn-wink:

Local rules "at the time" have no bearing , as class is based on "worldwide availability", which is why sugalites swingarm is absolutly fine IMO, he just needs to find the date of manufacture of the part, cos if it was on an early 1990 model in the marketplace then there would be a 99% chance that kawasaki would have designed it , & tested it way before that aye

Fit it up sugalite, I will stand beside you in the dock & defend ya ! :-)
GW

ahhh im out im done on this... its all past me now i seem to be digging a really deep hole for my self and ive never been very good at getting out of holes i seem to have perfected the art in going deeper
:brick:

[codgyoleracer]

ahhh im out im done on this... its all past me now i seem to be digging a really deep hole for my self and ive never been very good at getting out of holes i seem to have perfected the art in going deeper
:brick:

Nah, its all good stuff mate, open talk and transparency is what the class needs. I think many are over the ducks n drakes brigade & look forward to the consistency & balanced view of MNZ in any serious matters and the rules for all classes.
That doesnt change a specialist club from having there own set of rules, though - however i would suspect that for the longer term if we all to work of a nationaly based set of rules it will build the class nationwide at a greater speed and will allow many more punters to get involved in what is a really fun class of nostalgia racing.

[worm13]

your bang on the money there, i would like to see a standard and that standard kept from both riders and governing bodies.. as you know glen im over its ok for one and not for the other hence why I brought up the fzr1000 as you know I dont have a issue with the bimota and as you can tell im very enthusastic about it, the complaining seems to come if people are worried they are gonna be thrashed or if noone alse has one, however when these bikes were made and raced i was 4 so my knowledge on them a limited and most likely im wrong however when a president has been made it should be kept not mid way thru a season etc etc

[codgyoleracer]

your bang on the money there, i would like to see a standard and that standard kept from both riders and governing bodies.. as you know glen im over its ok for one and not for the other hence why I brought up the fzr1000 as you know I dont have a issue with the bimota and as you can tell im very enthusastic about it, the complaining seems to come if people are worried they are gonna be thrashed or if noone alse has one, however when these bikes were made and raced i was 4 so my knowledge on them a limited and most likely im wrong however when a president has been made it should be kept not mid way thru a season etc etc

Really appreciate the support jono, and the paintwork looks effin stunn-ing. It looks fast just standing still and the crowd are gonna love your work.
I dont know about the thrashing the others bikes tho, there are some really good rider & bike combos coming in to the class and thats gonna be great for all and hopefully drag even more into it.

The classic boys have been the biggest crowd pullers in NZ for many many years now, & the coin invested in them shows why. Hopefully the post classics modern (ish) bikes can begin to build nationally and have ultimatly the same sort of following.

Now where do i get hold of an early 90;s Britten for my stable for the Pre95 class ?

GW

[worm13]

Now where do i get hold of an early 90;s Britten for my stable for the Pre95 class ?

GW[/QUOTE]

you can get 1/12th scale britten kitset model for 300 bucks if that helps?

[codgyoleracer]

Now where do i get hold of an early 90;s Britten for my stable for the Pre95 class ?

GW

you can get 1/12th scale britten kitset model for 300 bucks if that helps?[/QUOTE]

Churr Bro, now all i need to do is invent a particle displacement enlargment-ometer to make it full scale and i will be away...........

[Billy]

sorry billy wasnt meaning to upset people more just winding

Yea me too Jono !!!Got ya hook line and sinker LOL

[worm13]

ya bastard im not going fishing til saturday :)

[worm13]

you can get 1/12th scale britten kitset model for 300 bucks if that helps?

Churr Bro, now all i need to do is invent a particle displacement enlargment-ometer to make it full scale and i will be away...........[/QUOTE]

could always try it in one of your green houses... test your product that your selling haha

[Billy]

.

could always try it in one of your green houses... test your product that your selling haha[/QUOTE]


You mean hydroponics shed where he grows his drugs???

[malcy25]

Nah, its all good stuff mate, open talk and transparency is what the class needs. I think many are over the ducks n drakes brigade & look forward to the consistency & balanced view of MNZ in any serious matters and the rules for all classes.
That doesnt change a specialist club from having there own set of rules, though - however i would suspect that for the longer term if we all to work of a nationaly based set of rules it will build the class nationwide at a greater speed and will allow many more punters to get involved in what is a really fun class of nostalgia racing.

GW agree, though I've no idea what the ducks and drakes bit is about, I'm not close enough to it these days while I concentrate on my international career!!

There's enough info around on the YB6/8 being the same that I don't know what the fuss is about with GW's bike and I'm fizzing to see it run!

General comments around eligibility for those interested:

I don't think there has been anything malicious with any of the calls made by NZPCRA over the years, in fact I see the opposite. Most of the issues I have ever seen, hav been where people have pushed the limits and then got grumpy when they have been called on it.... the NZPCRA guys regularly have gone out of their way to help guys.

Most people just want other people riding legal period bikes and ejoying themselves.

With reference to a previous post by another poster here who seemed upset about someone from the NZPCRA allegedly contacting Bimota. If they did, get over it. Who said that the club is not allowed to ensure or investigate elligibiity of bikes themselves? They have a shit load of other members who are looking to them to ensure this sort of stuff and I have seen supposed "proof" from the manufacturer presented by a rider, that was so much bullshit and obviously so, the club was forced to do it's own digging to resolve the situation.

To resolve the age issue, I have previously suggested a remit be sumbmitted where we amend the NZ "dating" rule to that of the Aussies:
16.4.0.5 For the purpose of these rules “Year of manufacture” is defined as the year in
which:
a) For a road based bike the machine or its latest major component was first generally available for sale and delivery to the purchaser,
b) For a race bike the year in which the machine or the latest major component first appeared in open competition

This removes any issue around a "I saw a such and such prototype at such and such show in 1989" for a model that is truly a 1990 model.

Sometimes the cut off's exist for a good reason, or specific bikes noted for exclusion - the primary aim being a fundamental change in technology. Witness RZ350's, and VF750's - between them things like Perimeter frames, power valves, v4, watercooling, 16 inch front wheel, rising rate rear suspension. Yes, many things seen individually, just not so many on one bike. Arguably they "could" fit in pre 82 because of when they may have been first manufactured, but would they do the class a favour, or f..k it? Probably the latter.

The rules will never be perfect.

People need to work to the spirit of the class .

You give an inch at times and it causes a mile wide gap.

Decisions made now will come back and haunt in 2 years time.

What's wrong with working to a high authenticity?

When thinking about is something eligible, try passing it through these tests:
1) What benefit or advantage will it produce to the greater class or Post Classics?
2) Will it unduly penalise any particular rider or machine or machine type?
3) Will it unduly advantage any group?
4) Will it cause undue cost to any group?
5) Was it really like this within the period?
6) Is the performance that you are trying to limit a result of machine or rider?
7) What is the true performance potential in reality (ignoring rider) of a particular bike?
8) Left field? Eg what bikes that are out there that have been forgotten about that will arrive and bite us.
9) Will the change be easy to understand eg Joe punter spectator.
10) Is this mod going to drive every rider to do the same to keep up?
11) KISS - Keep It Simple Stupid
12) At the risk of not creating a level playing field, is a proposed change going to create a situation whereby the "bike most likely to win" was never ever previously go to win a race in it's day?
13) Suggester benefit - eg what benefit does it provide the person suggesting?
(hint: if you get a few "no's" why would you allow it or change the rules!)

Will MNZ also take the same stance with the Classic racing rules that are in the same MNZ rule book and the same issues could (and have) arise?

I could go on for hours, but I'm bored now...

As you were!

[codgyoleracer]

GW agree, though I've no idea what the ducks and drakes bit is about, I'm not close enough to it these days while I concentrate on my international career!!

There's enough info around on the YB6/8 being the same that I don't know what the fuss is about with GW's bike and I'm fizzing to see it run!

General comments around eligibility for those interested:

I don't think there has been anything malicious with any of the calls made by NZPCRA over the years, in fact I see the opposite. Most of the issues I have ever seen, hav been where people have pushed the limits and then got grumpy when they have been called on it.... the NZPCRA guys regularly have gone out of their way to help guys.

Most people just want other people riding legal period bikes and ejoying themselves.

With reference to a previous post by another poster here who seemed upset about someone from the NZPCRA allegedly contacting Bimota. If they did, get over it. Who said that the club is not allowed to ensure or investigate elligibiity of bikes themselves? They have a shit load of other members who are looking to them to ensure this sort of stuff and I have seen supposed "proof" from the manufacturer presented by a rider, that was so much bullshit and obviously so, the club was forced to do it's own digging to resolve the situation.

To resolve the age issue, I have previously suggested a remit be sumbmitted where we amend the NZ "dating" rule to that of the Aussies:
16.4.0.5 For the purpose of these rules “Year of manufacture” is defined as the year in
which:
a) For a road based bike the machine or its latest major component was first generally available for sale and delivery to the purchaser,
b) For a race bike the year in which the machine or the latest major component first appeared in open competition

This removes any issue around a "I saw a such and such prototype at such and such show in 1989" for a model that is truly a 1990 model.

Sometimes the cut off's exist for a good reason, or specific bikes noted for exclusion - the primary aim being a fundamental change in technology. Witness RZ350's, and VF750's - between them things like Perimeter frames, power valves, v4, watercooling, 16 inch front wheel, rising rate rear suspension. Yes, many things seen individually, just not so many on one bike. Arguably they "could" fit in pre 82 because of when they may have been first manufactured, but would they do the class a favour, or f..k it? Probably the latter.

The rules will never be perfect.

People need to work to the spirit of the class .

You give an inch at times and it causes a mile wide gap.

Decisions made now will come back and haunt in 2 years time.

What's wrong with working to a high authenticity?

When thinking about is something eligible, try passing it through these tests:
1) What benefit or advantage will it produce to the greater class or Post Classics?
2) Will it unduly penalise any particular rider or machine or machine type?
3) Will it unduly advantage any group?
4) Will it cause undue cost to any group?
5) Was it really like this within the period?
6) Is the performance that you are trying to limit a result of machine or rider?
7) What is the true performance potential in reality (ignoring rider) of a particular bike?
8) Left field? Eg what bikes that are out there that have been forgotten about that will arrive and bite us.
9) Will the change be easy to understand eg Joe punter spectator.
10) Is this mod going to drive every rider to do the same to keep up?
11) KISS - Keep It Simple Stupid
12) At the risk of not creating a level playing field, is a proposed change going to create a situation whereby the "bike most likely to win" was never ever previously go to win a race in it's day?
13) Suggester benefit - eg what benefit does it provide the person suggesting?
(hint: if you get a few "no's" why would you allow it or change the rules!)

Will MNZ also take the same stance with the Classic racing rules that are in the same MNZ rule book and the same issues could (and have) arise?

I could go on for hours, but I'm bored now...

As you were!


Hi Al
Yip, personally i think NZPCRA have to be thanked for providing both the guidleines for the later era classes and volunteering a hell of a lot of time over the years to promoting and establishing the concept in good ole NZ. The true colours and open-mindness of the NZPCRA are also shown in the fact that the "cut n paste" rules which are now in the realm of MNZ are there for all to benefit from nationwide.

This would never have occured if the club was inward thinking and overly protective aye.
(not sure if MNZ know what they have taken on though ............ :-) )

Your 13 points of "self questioning" are a great reference guidline IMO. And of course any competitor or appointed official should always feel comfortable to raise matters of eligabilty or legality by following the process and mnz rules/guidleines that are in place already for such things.

Its been my experience that petty and frivilous issues are dealt with very quickly.

The ducks n drakes comments are provoked by those of us that would prefer to talk behind peoples backs and in hushed chinese whispers. I do not include anyone that has posted in this thread as one of those people - because this thread is a public forum and is open to all to read!

The (silver) Bimota is coming................ :-).

BTW, who's OWO1 is Pav riding ?

GW

[Grumph]

Broadly I'm in agreement with a large part of what you say...this thread has been a catalyst for sorting some much needed changes I hope.
What the NZPCRA have got to realise is that once you formulate a set of rules and they go in the book they're no longer your baby...they are what the whole country must abide by. You can of course do a "register" on the rest of the country and run closed to club meetings to alow you to tweak the rules to suit yourselves without the bother of putting remits through....
Once they're in the book enforcement becomes the duty of MNZ.....

Fine to want to abide by the spirit of the rules but in the real world what's in the book is IT, period.
Fix the book first.

I'm of the opinion that NZPCRA have no idea how many Post classic bkes or competitors are out here racing to the rules as they stand.Those non PCRA members want a say on the rles they race under too....and can very easily do it. The NZPCRA may very well find the rules in the book are not what they envisioned...

[crazy man]

[QUOTE=malcy25;1130192210]With reference to a previous post by another poster here who seemed upset about someone from the NZPCRA allegedly contacting Bimota. If they did, get over it. QUOTE]l just dont want this turning into the kind of thing that happen with john britten l used to go to alot of committee meeting and it was all about what we can do to stop or make his bike uncompetitive sad really! l know GW has put a lot of work into the bike and has a lot of documentation to prove what it is ( why not just ring him first) :innocent:

[malcy25]

[QUOTE=malcy25;1130192210]With reference to a previous post by another poster here who seemed upset about someone from the NZPCRA allegedly contacting Bimota. If they did, get over it. QUOTE]l just dont want this turning into the kind of thing that happen with john britten l used to go to alot of committee meeting and it was all about what we can do to stop or make his bike uncompetitive sad really! l know GW has put a lot of work into the bike and has a lot of documentation to prove what it is ( why not just ring him first) :innocent:

Crazy man
GW's a fine upstanding citizen - one of the few in this world I would let ride my bikes (and as anyone who knows me, that does not come lightly) and I'd be happy to accept what info he would provide. But I see no harm in the NZPCRA having their own independently sourced data as the club would be remiss to the rest of the members if they didn't do their own due dligence. No I haven't been in contact with Bimota....

I know of no attempt at any time by any committee member to outlaw a bike that was seen to be "fast", including one that I had a hand in getting to the grid that had clear and very obvious straight line speed on every bike in the class. The NZPCRA has never worked that way. I see that attitude as a problem with the individual people, not the club.

Grumph, I have written and amended a number of the rules in the rule book over the years and I can tell you it is one of the hardest written things I have done. Note that in a previous life, I used to assemble and negotiate service / supply contracts as part of my job relationship managing large corporate customers. You will never have perfection. You are more than welcome to have a crack too. If you see a problem, don't leave us guessing or the problem hanging, you have the same rights as I do to request a rule change. One adage I adhere to is "don't tell me a problem, tell me the solution." In motorcycling I have seen so many times "I don't like this" but very rare to get told what they would prefer to see, or the change initiated.

I am interested in what changes you think need to be made.

I have reminded over the last 10 years or more to the various committee members of the NZPCRA (and I have been on the committee in various forms and was a notional president early on) that these are not club rules from the day they went into the rule book. I agree with them being in the rule boo as it gives them weight enforcability and wide awareness. Yes they are now MNZ rules and at best the NZPCRA have been caretakers on thn basis of being te one largest body associated with them (and were originally created by the originators of the club), but correct they don't own them. But given they represent a major body, I would hope they are given the respect they deserve for the knowledge they hold, the work they have done, and the membership base they represent (which IS across the whole of NZ, not just north of the Bombays).

Disclosure Statement. I am not an elected official of the NZPCRA.

Codgy. I can confirm, Pav's not riding my OW01....Phillip Island Pre 89 class at 2012 event is a go too!! But I'm not taking a pre 89 bike (pre 82 only for me). The BIM be ready to go?

Sorry, another lengthy reponse everyone.

[codgyoleracer]

Just about every poster in this thread are confirmed bike nutters. For me thats a very pleasing thing to see, as often on here all we have is keyboard heroes that havent got a clue about bikes, riding them fast and what it takes to do that year in & year out - The downside to these nutter types is often they are quite forthright and emotive!

My wee project will hopefully bring something more to this class and assist in lifting the classes profile in the media, in the specators eyes and drive riders to strive to better their own projects and riding. (I am still learning myself) :-)

I accept the extra pressures of choosing a make / model that was on the cusp of the era's end, but in some respects in a perverse way it sorta adds my own drive to do well. I have no interest in pissing people off, but i do enjoy owning and campaigning something "a bit special", - and Al i suppose you do to given your own collection of toys.
I hope the boys that are building the same YB8 models up in aussie have dotted their I's & crossed their T's !

Al, the new era class option for me at PI is a bit tight to all get together unfortunatley (and i am even still undecided on doing the NZ nats on the old F3 bike this year). WORK HAS BEEN A PAIN ! -in a good way though, as it just bought me a shock for the Bimota :-).

Crazyman - stay off the home brew LOL

GW

[malcy25]

My wee project will hopefully bring something more to this class and assist in lifting the classes profile in the media, in the specators eyes and drive riders to strive to better their own projects and riding. (I am still learning myself) :-)

I accept the extra pressures of choosing a make / model that was on the cusp of the era's end, but in some respects in a perverse way it sorta adds my own drive to do well. I have no interest in pissing people off, but i do enjoy owning and campaigning something "a bit special", - and Al i suppose you do to given your own collection of toys.GW

Awesome! Keep going GW!

Yep, it's the variety and special bikes I love, as my garage testifies...there are some freakin' great non main stream bikes that should be racing we don't see yet.

See ya soon.

[Grumph]

Malcy25 - again i agree with most of what you say. Rules...ha, the Motorcycles techical section is still largely as I rewrote it in the '80's as a remit from Canterbury, you could say I've been there...
I've been in contact in the past with peter Smith pointing out some problems in the rules. I have no idea if anything was discussed subsequently.
While not currently on a club committee I'm informed that at least one SI club is looking hard at putting forward some alterations.

As I said there's a lot of bikes and rider out here not PCRA members. It would be interesting to find out just how the active racers break down by area and club...

[crazy man]

can l bring out my 1912 Zenith race bike witch was (band) from racing in its day cause of its verable speed coffee grinder 89 boys do you want me out there lol:eek:

[codgyoleracer]

can l bring out my 1912 Zenith race bike witch was (band) from racing in its day cause of its verable speed coffee grinder 89 boys do you want me out there lol:eek:

of course you can - its "pre89" isnt it ? :-), + the bonus is , You can run it on your home brew mate.

[codgyoleracer]

Malcy25 - again i agree with most of what you say. Rules...ha, the Motorcycles techical section is still largely as I rewrote it in the '80's as a remit from Canterbury, you could say I've been there...
I've been in contact in the past with peter Smith pointing out some problems in the rules. I have no idea if anything was discussed subsequently.
While not currently on a club committee I'm informed that at least one SI club is looking hard at putting forward some alterations.

As I said there's a lot of bikes and rider out here not PCRA members. It would be interesting to find out just how the active racers break down by area and club...


So your the one to blame............. :laugh: LOL

[malcy25]

can l bring out my 1912 Zenith race bike witch was (band) from racing in its day cause of its verable speed coffee grinder 89 boys do you want me out there lol:eek:

Crazyman....yeah, nah....

At the suggestion of a senior MNZ official a long time ago it the following rule was added to differentiate the Posties from classics.

25.2.2 Major Components
Major components are: Frame (including Swingarm), Engine and Gearbox castings,
carburetors, Brakes (excluding front and rear master cylinders which are open) and
forks. These are to be manufactured between Jan 1st 1963 and December 31st 1989.

Bad, luck, you get to play with the pom bombs!

[malcy25]

Malcy25 - again i agree with most of what you say. Rules...ha, the Motorcycles techical section is still largely as I rewrote it in the '80's as a remit from Canterbury, you could say I've been there...
I've been in contact in the past with peter Smith pointing out some problems in the rules. I have no idea if anything was discussed subsequently.
While not currently on a club committee I'm informed that at least one SI club is looking hard at putting forward some alterations.

As I said there's a lot of bikes and rider out here not PCRA members. It would be interesting to find out just how the active racers break down by area and club...

Grumph. Excellent, seems we have had similar experiences along the way!

Be interested to see wht the SI club proposed changes look like along the way. From experiences in riding here, Aussie, belgium and UK, NZ has the at a macro level the rules which restrict the major componentry the most to the actual period.

Eg. for all pre 82 style racing....
UK: any RWU forks. open brakes, 5.5 inch rims in Pre 82 style bikes, but no slicks
Aussie Max 41mm fork RWU, any age, but "period looking" with single pinch bolt axle clamp, period calipers, but floater allowed
NZ: Period forks (or exact replicas of), brakes (discs and calipers), non flating unless OEM (eg RG500 gp bike)

As I've said many times, we are vaguely racing old bikes, not racing vaguely old bikes. So I hope their thinking is along those lines and is not planned to significantly open up any area to more modern components (and you'll note my 13 points posted earlier are structured around this).

My view of the world in this regard....

1) You only have to look at the success of the NZCMRR in some areas - they are held in very high regard worldwide due to their rules (ie MNZ rules) which are very prescriptive of the Pre 63 period.

2) If you have a major change in one area which is performance increasing, it becomes an arms race for a while between the haves and the have nots. E.g., if we allow period floating brakes. IIRC $2000 a set from aussie....once we all get them, every one is back to a level playing field and the only winner is the guy making discs! The losers are the guys who won't or can't spend the money. Meanwhile we all become $2000 poorer and relative speaking, all going as fast against each other as we were before.

3) if we allow modern major components at what point does it become a class which is based around old bikes?

Apart from some logical allowances, we have a set of rules which are "clock stopped" at the cut off periods. Allowing more modern major components I think destroys the basis for the classes and means the bikes will become more of a mishmash.

Agree there is some fine tuning that could be done around this without losing the intent of how the class lives and breathes now.

Just my 2c worth

[Grumph]

Yeah, I agree costs should be a factor. The Canadians for example allow RWU forks to 41mm OD which at least saves hunting for GL1000 legs in good nick.....but specify solid spoke mags which immediately sends you after Dymags....

Bad example with the register IMO....I go back to the start of that lot and the rot set in when John Surtees talked them into very strict rules which IMO again, resulted in false history being presented in NZ. Bike racing here just was not remotely like they present. As soon as a bike landed here the mods started....The setup now has resulted in specials with good NZ history being broken to make another manx or G50.....
If XR69's were at a premium how many McIntoshes would survive ? Extreme case, yes but look at what's happened with the pre 63's.

The biggest (and hardest) problem to fix is the continuation clause....as worded now it only applies to pre 72.
really specialised knowledge is going to be needed to make it viable for pre 82 and 89.

[Grumph]

can l bring out my 1912 Zenith race bike witch was (band) from racing in its day cause of its verable speed coffee grinder 89 boys do you want me out there lol:eek:

I'd just about pay to watch you in action on Levels or Ruapuna.....Years back i watched a huge GP Fiat - '08 I think - on Levels and the passenger was doing everything except stoke a boiler - pump fuel, monitor oil feeds, haul on the handbrake - and hang on too.
I reckon Puke would be too easy....you'd work up a good sweat on Ruapuna.

[malcy25]

Yeah, I agree costs should be a factor. The Canadians for example allow RWU forks to 41mm OD which at least saves hunting for GL1000 legs in good nick.....but specify solid spoke mags which immediately sends you after Dymags....

Bad example with the register IMO....I go back to the start of that lot and the rot set in when John Surtees talked them into very strict rules which IMO again, resulted in false history being presented in NZ. Bike racing here just was not remotely like they present. As soon as a bike landed here the mods started....The setup now has resulted in specials with good NZ history being broken to make another manx or G50.....
If XR69's were at a premium how many McIntoshes would survive ? Extreme case, yes but look at what's happened with the pre 63's.

The biggest (and hardest) problem to fix is the continuation clause....as worded now it only applies to pre 72.
really specialised knowledge is going to be needed to make it viable for pre 82 and 89.

Grumph, Interesting....I don't have a problem with 'specials" (ie not factory fresh bikes) as long as the major parts are period. My biggest concern is that we don't end up with a situation that delivers a legal bike is a GSX1100 frame/motor and Bandit suspension front and rear, FCR flatslides, modern floaters and 4 spot calipers in pre 82!

From 15 years of competing in Posties and being on the organising side, I have't seen the "destruction" of interesting specials like you allude to happening with the classics. I guess this may be as a result of the availability of TZ's through the 70's for racing classes and the advent of production racing meant many fewer specials being created.

Yeah, the continuation clause is not the best as written, but 25.2.3 replica parts could be interpreted to allow same effect. Be good to get that tidied up.

need to go to bed. Working on bikes most of the day to try and ride tomorrow...

[slowpoke]

You might be worrying about the state of the barn door when the horse has already bolted, Malcy. When folks in Oz are hand building "Katana" frames with GSXR geometry and we're fitting Stack-type digital dashes to CB900 Bol d'ors the envelop has already been well and truly pushed.

Glen's bike is a breath of fresh air I reckon. Realistically it's an FZR1000 donk in a sexy Italian frame of the right era.......possibly the very last time Bimota/Harris/Spondon etc could realistically make a worthwhile difference to what the Jappa's provided OEM. Enough to make up for the 10% capacity advantage of a GSXR1100 now that tyres etc have caught up? Who knows. But for someone "of a certain age" who see's himself competing in Post-Classic's sooner rather than later I can't help thinking the grid would be poorer without the YB8 in it.

No, the real question you need to ask yourselves isn't the legitimacy of the big Bimota but of Glen himself.......all those in favour of restricting the ginga to Pre-82 sub 600's raise their right hand...........

[codgyoleracer]

I Kind of agree with the period thing , but in essence the major components as they are now have relativly brief guildlines to follow, and also there are few of them. If these were expanded a little and they were also be a little more "specific", then it would snuff out a bit the "interpretation" rules.

I am only commenting on the Pre89/Pre95 myself as that is all that i really have experience with.

I've also wondered why there isnt a simple "list of motorcycles makes / models" that are and are not "allowed".

If then you wanted to race a bike that "wasnt on the list" - then you would need to go through the appropriate channels. (I can see that being a bit of a can of worms from some angles - however the bonus of this idea is that at least it is quite clear as to what is & is not allowed at least"

BTW, I have no doubt that there is a hell-uv-a lot more to it than i have any knowledge of , but my comments are from a newcomer.........(albiet an old one)
GW

[slowpoke]

Farkin' double post idjit....

[malcy25]

I've also wondered why there isnt a simple "list of motorcycles makes / models" that are and are not "allowed".



GW's there is a little bit there around fringe bikes for the start of a new period, Eg RZ350 and VF750 must run in pre 89 and Zeddies and RD's in Pre 82, but it;s a how long is a piece of string (ie where do you stop!!

I wouldn't worry about your relative "newness" you may have an idea that no one else has...

[malcy25]

You might be worrying about the state of the barn door when the horse has already bolted, Malcy. When folks in Oz are hand building "Katana" frames with GSXR geometry and we're fitting Stack-type digital dashes to CB900 Bol d'Ors the envelope has already been well and truly pushed

You could I suppose cut and shut an original frame (and I know quite a few that have). Interestingly I looked at a Pre 63 Norton a couple of years back and I reckon it must have been at about 23-24 degrees....


Glen's bike is a breath of fresh air I reckon........possibly the last time Bimota/Harris/Spondon etc could hope to make a worthwhile difference to what the Jappa's provided OEM. Now that suspension and tyres have caught up to GSXR1100's (note the 10% capacity advantage) even that might be debatable if someone is as serious about maximising a GSXR as Glen is about doing his homework/setup on the Bimota. I can't help thinking the grid would be poorer without the YB8 in it so hopefully folks just get on with racing him rather than pointing the bone.

Yup - agree big time on all that.


No, the real question you need to ask yourselves isn't the legitimacy of the big Bimota but of Glen himself.......all those in favour of restricting the ginga to Pre-82 sub 600's raise their right hand...........


Noooooooooooooooooooooooo!

[codgyoleracer]

GW's there is a little bit there around fringe bikes for the start of a new period, Eg RZ350 and VF750 must run in pre 89 and Zeddies and RD's in Pre 82, but it;s a how long is a piece of string (ie where do you stop!!

I wouldn't worry about your relative "newness" you may have an idea that no one else has...


Whew, just as well the Bim is at the end of the period.

[codgyoleracer]

No, the real question you need to ask yourselves isn't the legitimacy of the big Bimota but of Glen himself.......all those in favour of restricting the ginga to Pre-82 sub 600's raise their right hand...........

Now now spud, my shed can only fit a certain amount of bikes.......... , what are your thoughts machinery-wiseon joining us in the retired-old-folk series?. I know where there is a pretty good 851 Duke....... ?

GW

[codgyoleracer]

First ride in anger on the YB8 just happened over the weekend at the 1st round of the Tr-Series (Hampton Downs). Bike ran very well, its a little bit snappy on the throttle and needs some work on the front end to help it turn into the corners better, - but overall pretty pleasing. Didnt quite crack into the 1.09s lap times but ran very close.
Looking like rain for manfield so will be intersting to see how she handles the wet !
GW

[sugilite]

Shit Glen, 2.6 seconds faster than 2nd placed "not a slouch" Eddie on your 1st hit out, dang!
A: I'm amazed you stayed awake long enough to get to the finish line, and B: Kinda blows holes in your Bimota just a bit better than an FZR1000 theory!
Must have been kinda boring for you?

[crazy man]

Shit Glen, 2.6 seconds faster than 2nd placed "not a slouch" Eddie on your 1st hit out, dang!
A: I'm amazed you stayed awake long enough to get to the finish line, and B: Kinda blows holes in your Bimota just a bit better than an FZR1000 theory!
Must have been kinda boring for you?glen went 3 sec's a lap faster on his fzr 1000 at manfeild than the next best. the bimota is still a sec off so time will tell this weekend if he can out do it

[jellywrestler]

so what was the issue with the starts seemed a bit slow getting off the line to me?

[codgyoleracer]

so what was the issue with the starts seemed a bit slow getting off the line to me?

Haha, yeah she has the worst clutch in history, dont xpect any better at manfield.

[codgyoleracer]

Shit Glen, 2.6 seconds faster than 2nd placed "not a slouch" Eddie on your 1st hit out, dang!
A: I'm amazed you stayed awake long enough to get to the finish line, and B: Kinda blows holes in your Bimota just a bit better than an FZR1000 theory!
Must have been kinda boring for you?

nah, never got a chance toi ride the Fizzer at Hampton unfortunatley, but the brakes are a bit better on the bimota aye, so times shoould be better.
Have done 11's in practice at Manfield on the FZR, dunno if the Bimmmer has that in her , but would hope so. :-0
So when is the ZXR turning up ya long streak of weasle piss ? ;-) , Paul Pav says he is building a ZX as well ?
GW

[slowpoke]

Bluddy hell, must be a bit of a mind bender climbing off the GP-esque SVR onto the heavy hitting Bimota, eh? And Mr Kattenburg is doing a great job of peddling that FZR, so great effort on your part mate.


Now now spud, my shed can only fit a certain amount of bikes.......... , what are your thoughts machinery-wiseon joining us in the retired-old-folk series?. I know where there is a pretty good 851 Duke....... ?

GW

Hmmmmm, just saw this, an 851 definitely gets the juices flowing, will talk to you at Manfeild....hopefully the missus will use the phone book when she beats some sense into me and the bruises won't show.....

[Grumph]

Great that you've finally got the beast out and running. Now plan next year's trip South....

At the Burt Munro, Sid Chaloner brought out the ex Stroud,ex team Super Angel OW01 now with a OW/FZR1000 composite motor fitted.
Sid admits to 165hp on the dyno from this one.....it simply left everything behind.

This sort of performance difference is only to be expected in the early stages of a class

[codgyoleracer]

Great that you've finally got the beast out and running. Now plan next year's trip South....

At the Burt Munro, Sid Chaloner brought out the ex Stroud,ex team Super Angel OW01 now with a OW/FZR1000 composite motor fitted.
Sid admits to 165hp on the dyno from this one.....it simply left everything behind.

This sort of performance difference is only to be expected in the early stages of a class


I agree, these types of bikes will hopefully add to the spectacle of the class and also attract quick (ish) riders that otherwise may not have given it a second thought.
GW

[codgyoleracer]

Bluddy hell, must be a bit of a mind bender climbing off the GP-esque SVR onto the heavy hitting Bimota, eh? And Mr Kattenburg is doing a great job of peddling that FZR, so great effort on your part mate.



Hmmmmm, just saw this, an 851 definitely gets the juices flowing, will talk to you at Manfeild....hopefully the missus will use the phone book when she beats some sense into me and the bruises won't show.....

There was one ex Japan at a very reasnoble $6500, - but no doubt there will be plenty still available.

[sugilite]

glen went 3 sec's a lap faster on his fzr 1000 at manfeild than the next best. the bimota is still a sec off so time will tell this weekend if he can out do it

If Glen stops halfway through the race for a trackside cuppa and a paper read, then it's going to be a close race :yawn:

[crazy man]

If Glen stops halfway through the race for a trackside cuppa and a paper read, then it's going to be a close race :yawn:you better get out there and show him what a real bike can do

[sugilite]

nah, never got a chance toi ride the Fizzer at Hampton unfortunatley, but the brakes are a bit better on the bimota aye, so times shoould be better.
Have done 11's in practice at Manfield on the FZR, dunno if the Bimmmer has that in her , but would hope so. :-0
So when is the ZXR turning up ya long streak of weasle piss ? ;-) , Paul Pav says he is building a ZX as well ?
GW

I resent that weasel piss statement, it's ferret, there is a difference! Currently my engine builder is packing three seasons of racing experience into one and is a busy boy!!! But I will start the chassis very early jan, and I hope to have something running by march, and ready to race and further develop by April. The longer I wait though, the better the parts I seem to find. Just took delivery of my race kit close ratio box a few days ago, not many of those about these days and it looks brand new :sunny: Got ma H2 arm as well.
As you know I like to be at the pointi-ish end of the field, and when I heard about the Eddie vs Dave Cole battle at Taupo, I thought I may be in with a chance, till I saw your hampton times <_< I know people think i run green blood, but these blardy H1's keep throwing themselves at me, yet another one is trying to slip in as I write this! Why can't they be GSXR11's and 750's lol My bike at most will make 125 hp, and still be heavier than these 165+ hp 1000's that are turning up. Guess I'll just run the 750 and take it from there, I do have a hankering to build a big bore 7/11 at some stage in the future. I have fond memories of my 1100K:yes:

So Pav might be building one too, wonder if he would like my gpx parts :devil2:

[sugilite]

you better get out there and show him what a real bike can doW

What? Would he lend me the Bimota! :woohoo:

[crazy man]

W

What? Would he lend me the Bimota! :woohoo:come on zxr rulz the wast land you know you want to put one over codgyoleracer he he l would backs out lol. did u race a cbr 600 once?

[codgyoleracer]

come on zxr rulz the wast land you know you want to put one over codgyoleracer he he l would backs out lol. did u race a cbr 600 once?

Crazyman, - if you ever put a less than 20 year old set of tyres on your 7 fiddy, i will borrow that one day & see if the results change at all, would be a good experiment.

[codgyoleracer]

2nd round of the Tri-Series done and dusted. Bike ran well all day again, conditions were unfortunatley rather cool & track temps not there i felt. Got the usual rubbish starts in both races and then worked our way to the front. Great riding by Eddie kattenburg, hanging in there for most of the race for a much closer finish than at hampton downs. The Metzeler treaded tyres seem to be up to the task in the cooler conditions and i had no tearing of the rubber front or rear, although the Ohlins suspension fitted no doubt had an affect also.
Looking forward to Wanganui now !
GW

[sinfull]

Though i couldn't get up there to watch (licenceless) i seen the racing via livetiming and ya looked good out there Glen, some close stuff, edge of the seat material lol

Yes i was nice and warm in front of the PC too .

[codgyoleracer]

Tri-Series now done and dusted with 3rd and final round at Wanganui on 26th December 2011. The Bimota ran faultlessly and the Metzeler treaded tyres suited the track well.
There were some minor issues such as the Flatisde carburettors on a stop start track like Wangas not promoting smooth throttle control,. Also my time was spent elswhere sorting out my F3 bike and we pretty much ignored any suspension set up changes to the Ohlins gear on the Bimnota, this resulted in a slow s steering & slightly ponderous "feeling" Bimota YB8 with lap times slower than last year on the FZR1000.
Bad luck to Eddie Kattenburg on his FZR1000 for crashing out and ending his day in practice, and a thumbs up to Sean Donnely & Steve Bridge for putting up some good competition !
I have made some notes on what to do handling-wise , but other than that the bike will have the dust cover thrown over it until Paeroa 2012 & then it will have a rest until late next year.
Thanks to KSS suspension for the help in the series and Scott Griffith for pit bitching and having the hardest job (pushing the bikes).
GW

[Deano]

It was great to see Steve and Sean giving you a run - even ahead of you for a lap or two, then I think you got both of them in one lap ?

It's great seeing something so unique out there doing the bizzo Glen.

[Peter Smith]

Take the Bimota to the Barry Sheene Festival of Speed at Eastern Creek in March 2012. They are extending the track to a full 4.5 Km.

[codgyoleracer]

It was great to see Steve and Sean giving you a run - even ahead of you for a lap or two, then I think you got both of them in one lap ?

It's great seeing something so unique out there doing the bizzo Glen.

Thanks Deano, Wanganui typically keeps the competion pretty close & some years depending on your in the right frame of mind you can go a lot slower or a lot quicker it seems.
Still enjoyed the event - and the big 6 0 next year so should be a cracker.

[codgyoleracer]

Take the Bimota to the Barry Sheene Festival of Speed at Eastern Creek in March 2012. They are extending the track to a full 4.5 Km.

Maybe, when i truely retire :-)

[codgyoleracer]

The Bimota finally got to get a run at the 2012 Paeroa street race, (The FZR broke down last year there) & this year the Bimota decided to run as a triple until 5min before going out for the first race. Great day, excellent racing and plenty of joe blo public interest in the YB8. Its a neat bike to ride / own and the handling is improving every time we ride it. heads up to KSS on the suspension front and Warren Bridger (engine builder) for sorting out the bike.
GW

[codgyoleracer]

Missfire turned out to be a dodgy sparkplug cap, apparently you need a spark to make each cylinder go BANG!

[Billy]

Missfire turned out to be a dodgy sparkplug cap, apparently you need a spark to make each cylinder go BANG!

Oh! And here was me thinking diesels didnt have spark plugs,Go figure

[codgyoleracer]

Oh! And here was me thinking diesels didnt have spark plugs,Go figure

Some of them still do have a sparky thing you know, but thats pretty new technology for you aye (new fandangled stuff 1996 onward.........).

BTW - have you put any petrol in your diesel lately ?, one of the boys just did it to our work truck - and then wondered why it was shaking so much as he drove off for his deliveries.......

[quickbuck]

I see the YB8 was going pretty well yesterday.....
Well done GW.

Looking forward to more racing (on the computer) today...

[codgyoleracer]

I see the YB8 was going pretty well yesterday.....
Well done GW.

Looking forward to more racing (on the computer) today...


Yeah, she was handling pretty well & the treaded Metzelers are suprisingly grippy aye, compared to the slicks i used to run. We managed to bust a 1.09 - which was the goal for the weekend. There was a great turn-out for the meeting and Peter Smith & Duxbury both rode real well in Pre89 Senior. Eddie Kattenburg , was also there and impressed also considering he had quite a hard crash at Wanganui!

[codgyoleracer]

The Bimota got to have its first play at the Taupo race-circuit on 25.3.12, and am ashamed to say that it went around the track quicker than my Formula3 SV 650 bike....... ,,,, She certainly is stable mid-corner and the fettling to the suspension internals by KSS has further improved the bike.
We had a DNF in one race though , when she decided to have a hissy-fit half way around the first lap of the 2nd race, she sounded like someone had set off 20,000 doublehappies in my exhaust system! , never found out what was wrong and she ran perfect for the last race and we cracked into the 1.37's for laptime.

[codgyoleracer]

Found the issue with the missfire, as it occured again at the Barry Sheen Festival at Hampton Downs in Oct 2012, - water in the ECU box was the issue. There are two small air vent holes in the old-school ECU's , and these are big enough to let water in - and cause the intermittent running.
Fitted Metzeler slicks for the barry Sheene event also - and we went slightly quicker on those than our previous best on the bike, although having the aussie contingent there helped with the motivation as well.
Next thing is to fiddle with the seat / bar / footpeg position on the bike to improve its turn in and balance.
GW

[codgyoleracer]

The YB8 is on her way to a new owner come the new year, so I wont have a chance to complete her ultimate development. The new Australian based owner will hopefully use her for the job that the Italians designed her to do.

[sugilite]

That bike is rolling Thunder! Ace job on that bike mate :yes:

[cave weta]

do you think it will be as fast as my Postie?.......



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[Peter Smith]

The YB8 is on her way to a new owner come the new year, so I wont have a chance to complete her ultimate development. The new Australian based owner will hopefully use her for the job that the Italians designed her to do.

You have done a great job developing that bike, its a shame she's going to Aussie. Whats the next project???

[sugilite]

You have done a great job developing that bike, its a shame she's going to Aussie. Whats the next project???
I'm expecting Glen to roll out Eddie Lawsons 89 title winning NSR500 out the pit garage, then start modifying it!!!

[codgyoleracer]

I'm expecting Glen to roll out Eddie Lawsons 89 title winning NSR500 out the pit garage, then start modifying it!!!

Nah, Honda made me sign a contract and it cant be run on a racetrack.

[malcy25]

The YB8 is on her way to a new owner come the new year, so I wont have a chance to complete her ultimate development. The new Australian based owner will hopefully use her for the job that the Italians designed her to do.

So what is next then in your Postie career?

[codgyoleracer]

So what is next then in your Postie career?

As far as building a bike again is concerned, I probably would do it only if the class went to a national title style format, or at least a mini series with recognised national titles per class etc.

I suspect that it will take a long time to get to that level (if ever), as the classes regional events are supported mostly by localised competitors who are in it for reasons of nostalgia and fun factor, which isnt yet my "cup of tea".

Currently the "one of" or "spot events" that are held and do attract higher level riders are not frequent enough to hold my personal interest in maintaining the bike. - So someone else can get to enjoy her !


So when i get bored, - can i borrow the OW01 Al ? :rolleyes:

[malcy25]

So when i get bored, - can i borrow the OW01 Al ? :rolleyes:

Yeah, nah....big enough cheque and you can own it though! (everything is for sale at the right price eh!!)

You'd get bored though, only 100 bhp at the contact patch as it is currently (stock).

[Grumph]

As far as building a bike again is concerned, I probably would do it only if the class went to a national title style format, or at least a mini series with recognised national titles per class etc.

I suspect that it will take a long time to get to that level (if ever), as the classes regional events are supported mostly by localised competitors who are in it for reasons of nostalgia and fun factor, which isnt yet my "cup of tea".

Currently the "one of" or "spot events" that are held and do attract higher level riders are not frequent enough to hold my personal interest in maintaining the bike. - So someone else can get to enjoy her !


So when i get bored, - can i borrow the OW01 Al ? :rolleyes:

IMO pre 82's are more likely to get some sort of National title first. All the SI street meetings run that class whereas pre 89 is a bit of a rarity down here.

[slowpoke]

So does this mean we're gonna see the 1198 get a guernsey? (doo eet Dooglass!)

[codgyoleracer]

So does this mean we're gonna see the 1198 get a guernsey? (doo eet Dooglass!)

No, i have learnt my lesson with one Italian lady already, - you are still young and uninitiated obviously...... :-) BTW, well done on making the effort to go down south again Spud - its a great little circus aye.

[codgyoleracer]

Yeah, nah....big enough cheque and you can own it though! (everything is for sale at the right price eh!!)

You'd get bored though, only 100 bhp at the contact patch as it is currently (stock).

Yeah a hundy aint gonna cut it....... :-)

[ac3_snow]

I'm expecting Glen to roll out Eddie Lawsons 89 title winning NSR500 out the pit garage, then start modifying it!!!


Nah, Honda made me sign a contract and it cant be run on a racetrack.

Do you really have a bike like this in your garage/living room? :drool:

Sounds like sugilite is taking the piss, but Glen's answer appears so matter of fact.... surely it can't be true?!

[crazy man]

Do you really have a bike like this in your garage/living room? :drool:

Sounds like sugilite is taking the piss, but Glen's answer appears so matter of fact.... surely it can't be true?!glen did have a nifty50 in the house but hes going to bucket race it now

[codgyoleracer]

IMO pre 82's are more likely to get some sort of National title first. All the SI street meetings run that class whereas pre 89 is a bit of a rarity down here.


What he said

[codgyoleracer]

glen did have a nifty50 in the house but hes going to bucket race it now

As buckets isnt classified as real racing - Honda will probably be OK with that , So i might consider disconnecting 3 cylinders and entering as 125 single bang 2 stroke......... :-)

[ellipsis]

As buckets isnt classified as real racing ......... :-)

...im sure that statement has not endeared you to a lot of serious F4 jockeys and builders...:2guns:

[codgyoleracer]

...im sure that statement has not endeared you to a lot of serious F4 jockeys and builders...:2guns:

Haha, take it as you want :-)

[Kickaha]

...im sure that statement has not endeared you to a lot of serious F4 jockeys and builders...:2guns:

Like a lot of guys who race "other lesser classes" he can only dream of stepping up to Buckets, one day he might be man enough to qualify

[codgyoleracer]

Like a lot of guys who race "other lesser classes" he can only dream of stepping up to Buckets, one day he might be man enough to qualify

You are 100% correct

[malcy25]

Met the new owner of the YB this weekend just been...

[codgyoleracer]

Met the new owner of the YB this weekend just been...

Thats cool, I havent had an update on if/when it might end up over their though. May stay "down south" for a while at least ?.

How did the "kiwi team"go A ?

[malcy25]

Thats cool, I havent had an update on if/when it might end up over their though. May stay "down south" for a while at least ?.

How did the "kiwi team"go A ?

Down south by the sounds of it.

Apart from damien Mackie sliding off at Lukey and is Hospital, Dave Ogden doing three engine builds, Bubbles breaking a crank and doing an engine build , Russell low siding and barrell rolling at Siberia, a seize on Friday evening for me, Jay torching a piston in the GSX, Graeme's R's bike doing a clutch, Jay winning the P6 open class on Pete Smith's bike, Todd Sutherland nailing second in class in one of the 2 classes he raced in on Rod Price's TZ350 (500 P5),

A pretty uneventful, normal sort of trip really!

We beat the yanks and about 50 odd points behind the poms who were 500 points behind the Aussies.

Steve Martin and Shawn Giles had some thing like 6 engines between them for the weekend......and used most of them in their hotrod Katanas. Watched Shawn at T12, sliding the back, then tuck the front, save the lot and wheel stand in 4th onto the main straight! New lap record....1.36.9 on a 1982 Kat!

[Peter Smith]

Down south by the sounds of it.

Apart from damien Mackie sliding off at Lukey and is Hospital, Dave Ogden doing three engine builds, Bubbles breaking a crank and doing an engine build , Russell low siding and barrell rolling at Siberia, a seize on Friday evening for me, Jay torching a piston in the GSX, Graeme's R's bike doing a clutch, Jay winning the P6 open class on Pete Smith's bike, Todd Sutherland nailing second in class in one of the 2 classes he raced in on Rod Price's TZ350 (500 P5),

A pretty uneventful, normal sort of trip really!

We beat the yanks and about 50 odd points behind the poms who were 500 points behind the Aussies.

Steve Martin and Shawn Giles had some thing like 6 engines between them for the weekend......and used most of them in their hotrod Katanas. Watched Shawn at T12, sliding the back, then tuck the front, save the lot and wheel stand in 4th onto the main straight! New lap record....1.36.9 on a 1982 Kat!

Pretty much sums up the weekend. :-)

[roadracingoldfart]

Steve Martin and Shawn Giles had some thing like 6 engines between them for the weekend......and used most of them in their hotrod Katanas. Watched Shawn at T12, sliding the back, then tuck the front, save the lot and wheel stand in 4th onto the main straight! New lap record....1.36.9 on a 1982 Kat!

Talent still flows from Aussie huh .