Fireblade camchain noises?

[Fast Eddie]

Hey All,

hoping for some advice or thoughts -

I have a 1997 Honda Fireblade 919cc, for the last few years I have had a niggling problem with a cam chain noise/rattle.

I have replaced the cam chain tensioner twice now in about 3/4 years with brand new items at the recommendation of Casbolts Honda in chch a few years ago and now a second time about 5,000km later from the first replacement at the insistance of MCR in Dunedin, now about 4,000km riding later since the newest tensioner replacement I have the same cam chain noise coming back.

bike has done 56,000km and gets good regular oil changes, the same time I when i recently replaced the tensioner about 6 months ago I had the valves checked, new filters/tuning etc. a bunch of other stuff and servicing done.

The first time I took it into MCR I spend well over 1,000 bucks on them diagnosing the bike including doing a couple other small things like bleeding brakes and then 200+ on the cam chain tensioner and fitting and labour. they were supposed to have checked the cam chain for stretch wear while they had the engine open last time and claim that at least then it was fine and told me it was the tensioner which was broken. Now the same noise is back after about 4,000km riding. Very expensive for me, I don't really have more money to throw at it but kind of hesitant to DIY anything to do with the cam chain as I don't have any special tools

Do cam chains stretch? is it likely my blade chain has stretched after 50,000kms and if it is stretched then why did the rattle go away when I fit the new tensioners but come back after only a few thousand kms? both times I replaced the tensioner the noise did go away but only to come back a few months later and only afew thousand kms later. only genuine honda parts have been used (or thats what I have been paying for anyway)

I have had conflicting advice saying that chains should last the life of the bike, others says the chains need to be replaced. Honda themselves say the chain shouldn't stretch that much to need replacing and should last the life of the engine

I'm not sure what I want to hear, but maybe someone has experience with these bikes/with cam chain or tensioner issues. I'm open for any thoughts/opinions/ideas

For a while I just modified the tensioner to become a fixed/manual adjusting type and that kind of worked but was not ideal and would require constant adjusting almost weekly/daily to keep the cam chain rattle away.

Mmm anyway any thoughts/ideas/advice will be taken on board.. I guess I'm trying to find some sort of concrete theory before I let the bike shop charge me another 1,000 bucks to fix the same problem i have already paid to fix a few thousand kms of riding time earlier.

Is there anything I can DIY with the basic mechanics tools and limited knowledge I have?

[Sable]

Camchains stretch which is why you need the tensioners. Camchains can need replacing, sounds like that's what needs doing if you're really that distressed. All motors will have audible camchain noise, it's normal.

[White trash]

All motors will have audible camchain noise, it's normal.

I'm willing to bet $500 that you can't hear any camchain noise whatsoever on my MVX.

[Sable]

Haha well. All motors with those stupid valve things then :sunny:

[Fast Eddie]

yea.. the fireblade engine is very very very quiet, I'v had this same bike for many years now and many thousand kms and always been very quiet. Except for this problem, when it makes a noise its an obvious slack chain that is hitting things inside the engine it sounds like i'v filled the gas tank up with a bag of bolts and running it on those.. when it is working like it should there is no cam chain noise at all..

anyway, will keep researching, im not excited on the thought of buying another tensioner thats all.. or worse, buying a new cam chain and then the noise still being there

[DrunkenMistake]

yea.. the fireblade engine is very very very quiet, I'v had this same bike for many years now and many thousand kms and always been very quiet. Except for this problem, when it makes a noise its an obvious slack chain that is hitting things inside the engine it sounds like i'v filled the gas tank up with a bag of bolts and running it on those.. when it is working like it should there is no cam chain noise at all..

anyway, will keep researching, im not excited on the thought of buying another tensioner thats all.. or worse, buying a new cam chain and then the noise still being there

PM Tigertim20 on here or on SR he might have some ideas, he's pretty fluent in bike mechanics

[Fast Eddie]

PM Tigertim20 on here or on SR he might have some ideas, he's pretty fluent in bike mechanics

Cheers for that, will do as soon as I can :) I think I have to make a few more posts so I can use the PM feature haha, do replys on others posts count? i've done a few by now

[DrunkenMistake]

Cheers for that, will do as soon as I can :) I think I have to make a few more posts so I can use the PM feature haha, do replys on others posts count? i've done a few by now

You should be able to PM him on Southernrider.co.nz ,

[blackdog]

All motors will have audible camchain noise, it's normal.


Haha well. All motors with those stupid valve things then :sunny:

Many Ducati owners will also disagree with that statement.

[DrunkenMistake]

Many Ducati owners will also disagree with that statement.

:weird: lmao

[White trash]

Many Ducati owners will also disagree with that statement.

My Fatboy doesn't seem to have a whole lotta camchain noise either actually....

[imdying]

IIRC the crux of the problem is that they were shitty and APE make a better replacement? Or something like that.

http://cbrzone.com/sprockets.html

It's not auto but it won't die either.

[DrunkenMistake]

My Fatboy doesn't seem to have a whole lotta camchain noise either actually....
No way to talk about your kids.

IIRC the crux of the problem is that they were shitty and APE make a better replacement? Or something like that.

http://cbrzone.com/sprockets.html

It's not auto but it won't die either.

247885

[Fast Eddie]

IIRC the crux of the problem is that they were shitty and APE make a better replacement? Or something like that.

http://cbrzone.com/sprockets.html

It's not auto but it won't die either.


Are you saying the factory honda auto tensioners are prone to failure? the bike has gone thru 3 so far haha.. mm if it is the auto tensioner it should get replaced under faulty parts or something for free?

thanks for a link to the ape tensioners, already looked at them and yea that was my next plan sort of, but I made a manual tensioner myself a while ago to see if that would solve my problems and it was very hard to get the tension right to eliminate the noise and I always worried it was too tight.. I'd have it running nice for a day or two and then noise would be back would have to readjust it.. mm it is my daily bike I commute it and joy ride it everyday rain sun or snow so i just want a no fuss reliable engine, thought thats what hondas were good for! haha

I got the bike booked into MCR on Monday see what they say - I'm of the opinion that most places just sort of replace bits at your expense until the problem is solved, so expecting they will just replace the cam chain and if the noise still persists tell me to do the tensioner again etc.. I rather try and save some money if I can!

[DrunkenMistake]

MCR and SPV are the two better places to go to in Dunedin, Iv never dealt with SPV personally, but I find the guys at MCR are more about their bikes than making money unlike the Suzuki/Harley dealer across the street, who dont want to know you for a bar of soap if your not spending below 10k. Going to MCR to begin with is a money saver haha.

[Fast Eddie]

MCR and SPV are the two better places to go to in Dunedin, Iv never dealt with SPV personally, but I find the guys at MCR are more about their bikes than making money unlike the Suzuki/Harley dealer across the street, who dont want to know you for a bar of soap if your not spending below 10k. Going to MCR to begin with is a money saver haha.

Thanks for that :) makes me feel a bit better, they were really good the first 2 times the bike went in, they let me know what was going on each step and yea I did find them really good so the bike is heading back in on monday :)

just disappointed cause I spent heaps on it about 5 months ago and hoped it would be problem free for a good while yet. Will update the post when I find out what the issue was etc

[DrunkenMistake]

Yah I know the feeling, My bike was stolen a little over a month ago, I have finally got a new bike a later model bike expecting it to be hassle free, needed to lower it a tad and well fuck me silly, ONE bolt would not come out... Really upsetting stuff haha,
Rick at MCR is a really good dude to deal with, I almost have my own account there I go there so often for shit haha, They let you pay 50% then pay off the rest if your having trouble getting the $$ Tell them Hayden With the Hyoshit said MCR is a better shop than McKiever and Vetch, im sure he will give you a hard time because its me.

[Fast Eddie]

Yah I know the feeling, My bike was stolen a little over a month ago, I have finally got a new bike a later model bike expecting it to be hassle free, needed to lower it a tad and well fuck me silly, ONE bolt would not come out... Really upsetting stuff haha,
Rick at MCR is a really good dude to deal with, I almost have my own account there I go there so often for shit haha, They let you pay 50% then pay off the rest if your having trouble getting the $$ Tell them Hayden With the Hyoshit said MCR is a better shop than McKiever and Vetch, im sure he will give you a hard time because its me.

hahaha! mm the blade also has a bolt that doesnt come out, i want to change my foot peg height. worry bout it another day, might get MCR to do it while they got it haha.
And pretty good about the payment options, that'll help - I have only been dealing with Rebecca up until now, the workshop seems to be her domain.

Will throw ya name out there, do u have a hyosung? 250/600? how do you find it? my girlfriend needs a bike...

[DrunkenMistake]

hahaha! mm the blade also has a bolt that doesnt come out, i want to change my foot peg height. worry bout it another day, might get MCR to do it while they got it haha.
And pretty good about the payment options, that'll help - I have only been dealing with Rebecca up until now, the workshop seems to be her domain.

Will throw ya name out there, do u have a hyosung? 250/600? how do you find it? my girlfriend needs a bike...

Well I started off on a CBR 250R and thrashed its little balls out all over the bay road ( I live in Mac Bay ) then I got a VFR 400 NC30 and Rung its chubby little throat out, and it was stolen about a month and a bit ago, and really choked me up a little, I had sunk alot of money and time into it, bringing it up to a nice state and into the bike I had wanted for a long time, so when I got my pay out I wanted a 600 but didnt want anything high performance, price wise and maintenance wise I just couldnt afford it, Tim had suggested the Hyosung as an alternative and I settled with the GT650R , Iv had it for about 3 days but it seems fantastic for what I use it for, I usually commute to work and home most days and usually through town to visit mates, and it seems great in traffic, and when you ring its neck out it seems to love it, reminds me of misses, rougher the better.
Real comfy bike as well, im a short little fat bastard so the old gut gets in the way with the large tank, but she'll be right.
And Rebecca is pretty good to deal with, Dave is the parts guy and Jeremy is the gear guy, they do a end of month ride on the last Saturday of every month, could be something to look into if you have a life in the weekends unlike myself haha

[Fast Eddie]

stolen bike is no fun at all, I used to literally sleep with my bike when I lived in a not so savory neighbourhood haha.

I had a cbr250r as first bike as well, loved the gear driven cams and high rpm.

Yea I was looking at the gt250r for a learning bike(for her to buy for herself), also sweet cause i think its about the same size as the gt650r? so a potential step up, the mrs is pretty confident, she asked for a go on the 'blade haha - she can already ride a bike but needs to do her license to get on the road and get a 250 etc, she loves the dirt bikes

[FJRider]

Are you saying the factory honda auto tensioners are prone to failure?

Most AUTO tensioners ... on many bike brands ... I have found are "prone to failure" ...

[imdying]

Are you saying the factory honda auto tensioners are prone to failure? the bike has gone thru 3 so far haha.. mm if it is the auto tensioner it should get replaced under faulty parts or something for free?That's how I understand, but a quick google will probably reveal more. The UK sites are normally a good source of that sort of information, the US sites are generally better for the newer stuff.

[DrunkenMistake]

stolen bike is no fun at all, I used to literally sleep with my bike when I lived in a not so savory neighbourhood haha.

I had a cbr250r as first bike as well, loved the gear driven cams and high rpm.

Yea I was looking at the gt250r for a learning bike(for her to buy for herself), also sweet cause i think its about the same size as the gt650r? so a potential step up, the mrs is pretty confident, she asked for a go on the 'blade haha - she can already ride a bike but needs to do her license to get on the road and get a 250 etc, she loves the dirt bikes

Yup same sized bikes ae,
and yeah.. licenses and stuff :yes:

[Marmoot]

Fireblades are known to have clutch rattle noise, which is perfectly normal (it sounds like ball bearings being rolled in a can, and can be quite unnerving for those not familiar).
Make sure this is not what you're hearing (if you pull the clutch in, the noise should reduce significantly).

Cam chain tensioner for blades do need to be replaced occassionally, but normally about 20k+ or something like that.

[Fast Eddie]

Fireblades are known to have clutch rattle noise, which is perfectly normal (it sounds like ball bearings being rolled in a can, and can be quite unnerving for those not familiar).
Make sure this is not what you're hearing (if you pull the clutch in, the noise should reduce significantly).

Cam chain tensioner for blades do need to be replaced occassionally, but normally about 20k+ or something like that.

Hehe thanks :D I'm not too bad with a spanner or engine - and yea blades do have that light rumble in neutral with the clutch engaged. But this is a cam chain/tensioner issue for sure - Thanks for the info on the replacing every 20k tho. It does seem a common theme online that these auto tensioners aree shite but Honda parts are usually pretty good and its first tensioner lasted about 42,000km from new, and since then chewed thru 2 more, each with about 5,000km on them (this last one actually only managed I think 3,500km) for a while I had a manual tensioner for about 6,000km of riding but i was finding that I had to adjust it daily it was just fustrating I just wanted it to run like normal with an auto tensioner and no hassles.

Seems a shame they have such a short life span but still what I have is a bike that seems to chew through Auto tensioners every 5,000kms and it doesn't seem right and for some reason I'm not getting free auto tensioners when they fail I'm having to buy new ones at 250 a piece I want it to stop ;) haha

I'm guessing MCR are going to check my cam chain again for stretch (they said there are markings on the cam chain which would allow them to see if its stretched) if its stretched than theres my problem.

If its not the chain, which I'm worried about cause they checked it before and said it wasn't stretched about 5 months ago, Then I'm back to square one which is why is the bike chewing thru auto tensioners..

[ducatilover]

You're having to adjust that manual one far too often. I'd say it's wearing the little foot on the chain side of the tensioner and that your chain is stretched.
Yes; chains stretch, especially in high stress and high engine speed applications, to add to it, the chains aren't exactly man sized.

I'm surprised you have needed to go through that many tensioners, perhaps they aren't being installed or set up correctly, or somehow stopping itself from sliding? Ask to see the old one back. The teeth on it may get worn prematurely, probably due to a stretched chain slapping it.

Bloody nice bike!

[Fast Eddie]

You're having to adjust that manual one far too often. I'd say it's wearing the little foot on the chain side of the tensioner and that your chain is stretched.
Yes; chains stretch, especially in high stress and high engine speed applications, to add to it, the chains aren't exactly man sized.

I'm surprised you have needed to go through that many tensioners, perhaps they aren't being installed or set up correctly, or somehow stopping itself from sliding? Ask to see the old one back. The teeth on it may get worn prematurely, probably due to a stretched chain slapping it.

Bloody nice bike!

Good stuff :) loving the Kiwi Biker help/thoughts its great, shoulda signed up long time ago!

Yea I do give my blade a fair bit of red line action, and one of my humble theories was that the chain was stretched enough to make the tensioners work very hard and fail so quickly - why the bike shop didn't just replace the cam chain when I asked them to check it/replace it is beyond me but I guess I should be happy they tried to save me money by just replacing the tensioner :)

I have the old tensioners here, can't see any visible damage at first glance, one of them i converted into a manual tensioner anyway and that was the one I was having to adjust almost daily which didn't seem right and was annoying..

and thanks for the nice bike comment :) if that comment was toward my blade haha ;) Alotta love goes into a mans toys and I love this one a lot.. Hoping to keep it running and in good nick for many years to come if I can!

[imdying]

They're basically the perfect classic motorcycle. A defining bike of the generation, a good looker, still able to foot it with more modern companions, etc etc. I'd be happy to own one :yes: (96 tiger striped one thanks if you're buying :D)

[Fast Eddie]

I'm surprised you have needed to go through that many tensioners, perhaps they aren't being installed or set up correctly, or somehow stopping itself from sliding?
Bloody nice bike!

mm I hope they are being installed properly as I pay good money to the bike shops eh, you expect them to do it right! the latest one was installed by MCR because I sorta thought it might fail again and this time it would be easier to just give it back to the shop and say "you'v done all the work on it and it still broken, fix it!" and as far as setup goes I believe that these auto tensioners are non adjustable/self adjusting - I have played around with them, u basically bolt it in and release the locking pin and it supposed to set itself up.. workshop manual also doesn't mention anything other than bolting it in and releasing the pin and ur good to go.

I'll see how they go on Monday, im leaving it with them (MCR) to just check the cam chain if it is stretched or not and see what they say and will go from there. I'm now hoping its just the cam chain is stretched and that will solve all my problems! although this tensioner is probably damaged now as well from trying to keep the stretched chain in check? grumble grumble.. haha Sigh its a learning curve I guess, after this I'll have just a little bit more knowledge in the memory banks about cam chains and tensioners.

[Fast Eddie]

They're basically the perfect classic motorcycle. A defining bike of the generation, a good looker, still able to foot it with more modern companions, etc etc. I'd be happy to own one :yes: (96 tiger striped one thanks if you're buying :D)

MM loving the Fireblade love on here! keep it coming :D haha yip my '97 is one of those bikes I just know I won't sell, ill just buy another bike instead of selling it.

I love the tiger blades too, I'll remember to buy everyone a blade when I win lotto ;)

I saw a tiger blade floating round christchurch recently at the race track, he was just a spectator that rocked up on it. very cool. But other than that I havent really seen any blades on the street - i see a 98 one down here in dunners but I don't like that shape so much they went a bit too far away from the original.

Surely some ppl on KiwiBiker must have a few of the old Blades? surreeelly.. I was even thinking of buying a second one, I see them dropping in price, one popped up on TM for 3,500 but it was snapped up quick!

[jonbuoy]

Not wanting to accuse anyone but hopefully they didn´t find your last tensioner seized up and just cleaned it and put it back in? Have you had the carbs balanced? Makes a big difference on my CB if the carbs are out of balance.

[spanner spinner]

Mate put a new cam chain in the bike the chain is worn out, I used to have the same model blade as yours and the cam chain is only good for 50000km max. The reason that your tensioners keep failing is that they are working in the last quarter of their adjustment range where there is not as much spring tension to control the cam chain. This causes the tensioner to back off and then retighten making the tensioner fail, or the cam chain could have a tight section which causes the same problem (cam chains suffer from the dreaded tight spot same as drive chains) I spend all day fixing dead and dieing bikes so have plenty of experience in problems like this.The new chain will give you a performance boost greater than the best tune up by returing the cam timing to what the factory expected it to be. I allways fit a new cam chain at 50000km for this reason.

hope this helps

[35tickets]

Mate put a new cam chain in the bike the chain is worn out, I used to have the same model blade as yours and the cam chain is only good for 50000km max. The reason that your tensioners keep failing is that they are working in the last quarter of their adjustment range where there is not as much spring tension to control the cam chain. This causes the tensioner to back off and then retighten making the tensioner fail, or the cam chain could have a tight section which causes the same problem (cam chains suffer from the dreaded tight spot same as drive chains) I spend all day fixing dead and dieing bikes so have plenty of experience in problems like this.The new chain will give you a performance boost greater than the best tune up by returing the cam timing to what the factory expected it to be. I allways fit a new cam chain at 50000km for this reason.

hope this helps

Agree with all of the above...have fitted new cam chain to my ZZR1100 and its like a new bike the power is back and working sweet. If you are wearing out tentioners thens its a good bet the chain is stretched and wearing. If you haven't already done so ask for a price on the original honda cam chain, and then check if DID do a cam chain - thats what I got for the ZZR and it was half the price of the original

[p.dath]

+1. I felt like I had new bike when I had the cam chain changed on my CBR600F. I had a cheaper after market chain put on.

[Fast Eddie]

Mate put a new cam chain in the bike the chain is worn out, I used to have the same model blade as yours and the cam chain is only good for 50000km max. The reason that your tensioners keep failing is that they are working in the last quarter of their adjustment range where there is not as much spring tension to control the cam chain. This causes the tensioner to back off and then retighten making the tensioner fail, or the cam chain could have a tight section which causes the same problem (cam chains suffer from the dreaded tight spot same as drive chains) I spend all day fixing dead and dieing bikes so have plenty of experience in problems like this.The new chain will give you a performance boost greater than the best tune up by returing the cam timing to what the factory expected it to be. I allways fit a new cam chain at 50000km for this reason.

hope this helps

That sounds like the go mate! that was exactly what I was thinking these last few days, I thought to myself I bet the chain is stretched so much that the tensioner is having to work way too hard and is failing.
The only bit that got me was that I had paid MCR to open up my bike and check the cam chain less than 5,000km ago and they had given it the OK, said it was unstretched and would not need replacing anytime soon so I didn't..

.. anyway its in the shop now, they are still assessing it but im pretty much gonna tell them to put a new cam chain in. Thanks for that! much appreciated

[Fast Eddie]

And to wrap up the thread:

Cam chain stretched - seems Blade camchains have a life span of about 50,000km in a well maintained but high rev'd engine :D cam sprockets/gears and tensioner etc still seem to be ok

cheap part tho, 120 bucks for a cam chain, so all good on the wallet. Compared to the 2 tensioners I lost on this stretched chain which were 206.00 bucks each.

Thanks for all the comments etc, the Blade will be running mint (hopefully) when the chain arrives ex japan.

[Warr]

Have been following this thread with interest as I have a rather high mileage (215k) Hornet 919.
Are there any similarities motor design wise ?
My motor sounds sweet as by the way :)

[spanner spinner]

Hornet 919 is the same engine as the blade with a different head fitted to suit the fuel injection. Cam chain and tensioner are the same set up as the blade but the tensioner has a different part number (only the designer of the tensioner that works at honda would know if there is any difference between the tensioners). The cam lift and ramps are milder in the hornet so they don't load the cam drive as much, which gives the chain an easier time.

[bsasuper]

Check the condition of the camchain drive sprocket as well, its prone to wear.No point putting a new camchain on if its worn as it will wear the new chain out much faster.

[Fast Eddie]

mint, just got my bike back - it was the cam chain yip, had that replaced with a honda part, pretty cheap, 114 bucks or something. And yea bike shop said sprockets/guides/tensioner etc all looked fine and did not need to be replaced. MCR in dunners work on my bike, mint job. I like that they text ya and tell you what they are doing each step of the way and keep a record of what they have taken apart/done on the bike etc. And they always give it a good look over make sure its safe and if anything needs attention. I can recommend them to anyone in Dunedin that needs serious work done that can't be done at home. They have couches, free coffee and motogp/bike racing dvds and big screen too for while you wait, nice touch ;)

Bike does feel great now, can't say I have really noticed a power increase, its still pretty quick to me in the high rpm haha. but its runs really nicely and quiet so I'm a happy man again. May look at getting it on a rolling road for a tune? anyone got any experience in this?

[p.dath]

Bike does feel great now, can't say I have really noticed a power increase, its still pretty quick to me in the high rpm haha. but its runs really nicely and quiet so I'm a happy man again. May look at getting it on a rolling road for a tune? anyone got any experience in this?

That's great news.

When I had the cam chain done on my Honda CBR600F there was a very noticeable change in the bikes attitude. The throttle was definately omre responsive.

[Fast Eddie]

That's great news.

When I had the cam chain done on my Honda CBR600F there was a very noticeable change in the bikes attitude. The throttle was definately omre responsive.

yea, was hoping to notice a change but nah.. can't say that I can, feels the same as before. but the annoying rattle is gone so I'm happy. bike could be due for a tune eh, its had a bunch of new parts put on and hasnt been on a rolling road or had a tune up yet.. might be the next thing on the list.

[bsasuper]

A lot of repairs I get at work, (cars that is), is due to lack of maintenance, even on modern cars only a few years old.Had a subaru turbo in the other day blowing a lot smoke, turbo bearings failed due to lack of oil changes, when I asked the customer when the oil was changed last he replied he did it every 15,000kms-because he thought synthetic oil lasted that long, should be every 6000k, the money he thought he was saving cost him $3k in repairs + the chance motor internals could be damaged(he did not want to the expense of taking off the sump to check for debris), what im getting at is something as simple as a strict oil change time (using quality oils) can make a huge difference to reliability, even on honda camchain tensioners.

[Fast Eddie]

A lot of repairs I get at work, (cars that is), is due to lack of maintenance, even on modern cars only a few years old.Had a subaru turbo in the other day blowing a lot smoke, turbo bearings failed due to lack of oil changes, when I asked the customer when the oil was changed last he replied he did it every 15,000kms-because he thought synthetic oil lasted that long, should be every 6000k, the money he thought he was saving cost him $3k in repairs + the chance motor internals could be damaged(he did not want to the expense of taking off the sump to check for debris), what im getting at is something as simple as a strict oil change time (using quality oils) can make a huge difference to reliability, even on honda camchain tensioners.

That is solid advice - I consider myself pretty good with maintenance (and in the end the cam chain tensioners were fine it was the worn/stretched cam chain that was damaging the tensioners I believe) and I spend the nights/dark/rainy times in the shed checking things over etc. cleaning greasing lubing - I have the workshop manual for my model so I follow the service schedule on that pretty closely with the exception of changing the oil more frequently than Honda says I should (they prob base their intervals on mineral oil maybe) I change the oil every 5,000km on the dot or earlier and I use a semi synthetic oil, Castrol Power 1 GPS or whatever its called these days, they seem to change the bottle n name every year haha. and the price keeps going up. (just an FYI, I was buying my 4litre bottle from a bike shop for damn near 100 bucks a pop, I was in repco one day and I saw they sold motorbike oil and the exact same stuff I was buying for a 100 was just over 60 at Repco.. been saving myself a small fortune since then. Not all Repcos stock motorcycle oil but some do!

Anyway - just had the sweeeeetest ride on the blade out on the twisties. Just one of those days, the tyres must have been hot, the road must have been hot cause she was turning in so easy and so quick and could give it a real handful of drive out of the corners and it was alllll grip. Biggest grin iv had in a long time and still grinning a half hour after getting home!

BRING ON SUMMER! - Hope everyones having some good times too, on and off the track ;) (gotta say been having a tonne of fun on the track in the sidecar lately too, numbers are slowly climbing in the south island.)

[ClutchITUP]

I have a brand new in the packet cam chain for an 06 CBR600RR
If anyone has a need for it 80$?????????????????????????

[Fast Eddie]

I have a brand new in the packet cam chain for an 06 CBR600RR
If anyone has a need for it 80$?????????????????????????

haha.. na I'm good since I have a 900rr..

bang it up on trademe brother