Post 90 Carb Bikes at VMCC.

[quickbuck]

Hi folks,
Have you seen the new proposed class?
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Check out the Oily Rag.

I think I know where the perfect candidate for an F2 bike is.....

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=412135820

[White trash]

SRAD GSXR600 or early R6 would toast the CBR, although they also cost more.

Hopefully I can afford to buy a 98 R1 before this class drives the price of them back up.

[quickbuck]

SRAD GSXR600 or early R6 would toast the CBR, although they also cost more.

Hopefully I can afford to buy a 98 R1 before this class drives the price of them back up.

Could do.... But, yes it would cost more..... and one still has to ride it well ;)
An R1 for F1 class would be the ticket...

[Rcktfsh]

Has there been any discussion with the post classic assn over this class or are vic doing their own thing?

[White trash]

Has there been any discussion with the post classic assn over this class or are vic doing their own thing?

My understanding is it's a Vic Club sub class within their F1/F2 fields. Skunk may or may not be along soon to confirm.

[crazy man]

hope they cap the age of the bikes 95 96 the r1 is to newer bike to be in there l think

[codgyoleracer]

hope they cap the age of the bikes 95 96 the r1 is to newer bike to be in there l think

There are rules for "new era" bikes in Australia already (basically a pre95 class), so maybe thats a reference point, and may well be supported by NZPCRA i suspect (but dont know for sure !)

Glen

[blackdog]

hope they cap the age of the bikes 95 96 the r1 is to newer bike to be in there l think

ZX9R and the last 900 'blade were only 4 or 6 hp behind the carbed R1's, once you start fettling it is going to come down to the rider and setup more than the bike surely?

[crazy man]

There are rules for "new era" bikes in Australia already (basically a pre95 class), so maybe thats a reference point, and may well be supported by NZPCRA i suspect (but dont know for sure !)

Glenhopefully they follow those rules or i'm not riding in it

[crazy man]

ZX9R and the last 900 'blade were only 4 or 6 hp behind the carbed R1's, once you start fettling it is going to come down to the rider and setup more than the bike surely?l know that but people only go for the best and will just end up been a r1 class

[Mental Trousers]

Shame my 750 got stolen. That would've been fun to ride in that class, although it'd get reamed by 900 blades.

[White trash]

hopefully they follow those rules or i'm not riding in it

Here's the thing, there's got to be a line in the sand and I think "Carbs only" is quite a good one.

Let's say you cap it at "Pre 96". SRAD 750 is the bike to have and everyone without one crys.

So you change it to Pre 95. Then if you don't have a 'Blade, you're nowhere. So everyone without Blades has a cry.

The organisers can't win.

"Carbs" is easy. If it's got carbs, you race it. Mint.

[blackdog]

l know that but people only go for the best and will just end up been a r1 class

I fully doubt that. Budget, and availability of suitable machinery will play it's part in a class like this and I reckon thats the whole point.

I haven't seen any rules or restrictions yet, and yes a factory R1 is probably a couple of tenths quicker over a 1/4 but with so many variables that two tenths means fuck all if the guy with 98cc less is a better rider than you and has tuned his machine more accurately for any set of given conditions.

[crazy man]

l dont care people can do want they want

[crazy man]

I fully doubt that. Budget, and availability of suitable machinery will play it's part in a class like this and I reckon thats the whole point.

I haven't seen any rules or restrictions yet, and yes a factory R1 is probably a couple of tenths quicker over a 1/4 but with so many variables that two tenths means fuck all if the guy with 98cc less is a better rider than you and has tuned his machine more accurately for any set of given conditions.look at pre 89 fzr1000 class even the guy on a zxr 750 has a fzr heres working on

[blackdog]

l dont care people can do want they want


look at pre 89 fzr1000 class even the guy on a zxr 750 has a fzr heres working on


For someone who doesn't care you sure seem to care alot.

[crazy man]

For someone who doesn't care you sure seem to care alot.lm over it said my piece and that's it not like l can ride fast now days anyway and will never win a debate

[crazy man]

Here's the thing, there's got to be a line in the sand and I think "Carbs only" is quite a good one.

Let's say you cap it at "Pre 96". SRAD 750 is the bike to have and everyone without one crys.

So you change it to Pre 95. Then if you don't have a 'Blade, you're nowhere. So everyone without Blades has a cry.

The organisers can't win.

"Carbs" is easy. If it's got carbs, you race it. Mint.my bike will kill a SRAD 750 with any rider but me on it

[worm13]

put regan on it... if not ill put my hand up for it!!

[suzuki21]

ZX9R and the last 900 'blade were only 4 or 6 hp behind the carbed R1's, once you start fettling it is going to come down to the rider and setup more than the bike surely?

I reckon this class would be cool for all the people with older R1's etc. The first R1 was a weapon being 100000000000cc's but a gsxr750 - fireblade - ZX9 was competitive in the right hands on New Zealand's short tracks.
Cue Robert Taylor with........... "The GSXR750 was only competitive against a larger capacity bike after adding full Ohlins fork inserts, Ohlins shock, Ohlins steering dampener, Ohlins valving (inlet and exhaust), Ohlins tyres, Ohlins wheels, Ohlins throttle grip, Ohlins lap timer, Ohlins fairings, Ohlins header pipes, Ohlins muffler - and a rider with the last name OHLINS.

[GSVR]

There are rules for "new era" bikes in Australia already (basically a pre95 class), so maybe thats a reference point, and may well be supported by NZPCRA i suspect (but dont know for sure !)

Glen

I would have thought "new era" bikes would be electric and good on Australia for having racing for these machines...

Plenty of time to prepare bike for Vic Club Winter Series 2020!

[CHOPPA]

You dont have to have the best bike just to win a club day and if your goal is to ride this class for some glory and you think you need the best bike possible to do it then your just a trophy hunter. Just get whatever you have in the shed and ride it as fast as you can.

I wouldnt care what bike I had, id race it as fast as I can and in F1. I wouldnt need some watered down class for me to bring it out just so I can get a certificate. Look at GW when he was racing the old FZR1000 in F1 and waxing 99% of the new bikes, that made people look!

[quickbuck]

look at pre 89 fzr1000 class even the guy on a zxr 750 has a fzr heres working on

It was only 2 years ago, and the front running FZR had a whole season of battles with a ZXR400 at every round on Manfeild....

So, really, it does come down to Rider.... not size of machinery...

I do get what you are saying, but i think availability, and money will have more to do with it when it comes to Carbie Class.

[R6_kid]

Finally! A class my TRX might actually be competitive in... that is if they let it in... FCR41's, full system, high comp pistons and a race cam will probably be outside of the rules :facepalm:

[CHOPPA]

Finally! A class my TRX might actually be competitive in... that is if they let it in... FCR41's, full system, high comp pistons and a race cam will probably be outside of the rules :facepalm:

Why would it not be competitive in F1?

[steveyb]

Finally! A class my TRX might actually be competitive in... that is if they let it in... FCR41's, full system, high comp pistons and a race cam will probably be outside of the rules :facepalm:

Well then, have a look on www.vicclub.co.nz and make a submission if you want/need to.
Don't just sit here and then moan if the rules are not to your liking. The class rules are open for comment.

I for one would like to see GP bikes in it, but that isn't going to happen I am sure, but I FOR SURE want to see a TRX out there. That would be the ducks nuts!!!

[crazy man]

I reckon this class would be cool for all the people with older R1's etc. The first R1 was a weapon being 100000000000cc's but a gsxr750 - fireblade - ZX9 was competitive in the right hands on New Zealand's short tracks.
Cue Robert Taylor with........... "The GSXR750 was only competitive against a larger capacity bike after adding full Ohlins fork inserts, Ohlins shock, Ohlins steering dampener, Ohlins valving (inlet and exhaust), Ohlins tyres, Ohlins wheels, Ohlins throttle grip, Ohlins lap timer, Ohlins fairings, Ohlins header pipes, Ohlins muffler - and a rider with the last name OHLINS.so we can forget about using the Ohlins air in the tires now?

[steveyb]

No, of course not, it was just too obvious to mention!!!

[scracha]

Why would it not be competitive in F1?

With 85 horses it wouldn't be competitive in F2, never mind F1

[CHOPPA]

With 85 horses it wouldn't be competitive in F2, never mind F1

With those mods it would be good for around 100hp so I recon 13s or 14s would be the go. That would put it in the top 10 in f1

[Rcktfsh]

Only my opinion but can't see the sense in trying to launch whats basically a new post classic class outside of the post classic assn, pre 89 still seems to be building up numbers nicely and attracting new/old riders ie Williams, Gee, Kattenberg etc. Why potentially dilute things with an orphan class running at one club?

[White trash]

Only my opinion but can't see the sense in trying to launch whats basically a new post classic class outside of the post classic assn, pre 89 still seems to be building up numbers nicely and attracting new/old riders ie Williams, Gee, Kattenberg etc. Why potentially dilute things with an orphan class running at one club?

That's a better point than what ol' Crazy Man came up with.

[crazy man]

That's a better point than what ol' Crazy Man came up with.acording to the vic club they are losing money running the club and need more riders out there! and there must be alot of guy with theses newer bikes! so why not have them? lm just saying stick to the same rules as what ozzy run in case they come to to ride in nz or the other way around.

[crazy man]

l think put the junior bikes in with the f3 witch needs more bikes and the bigger carb bikes with the 89 boys. l just think past 1996 there are big improvements to bikes and leave them to a later date

[tigertim20]

Only my opinion but can't see the sense in trying to launch whats basically a new post classic class outside of the post classic assn, pre 89 still seems to be building up numbers nicely and attracting new/old riders ie Williams, Gee, Kattenberg etc. Why potentially dilute things with an orphan class running at one club?


That's a better point than what ol' Crazy Man came up with.

I can see it working. I love bikes, but i simply cant afford two. so if I want to race or do trackdays, Its on my road going bike.
racing and trackdays are a bit different, trackdays are just because, racing lets you pit yourself against others and have a bit of competition. If there was a class that allowed the older carb'd R1's to race, without getting shat on by all the newer 600cc/1000cc bikes, Id be fucking right on top of that shit. I dont see me winning, but shed be fun as fuck.

and jumping into a class to race againts way superior bikes is pointless and not fun.

I hope the class takes off, and I hope that other clubs adopt is as well, that would be a great move. I mean the LAST carbd R1 for example is what, 10 years old now? and the youngest pre 89 bike is what 22 years old? thats a big gap, and i reckon enough of one to be worth a new class. Youll probably get a bunch of people of gt650's, and stuff coming along for fun as well.

[tigertim20]

actually have a question..
had a skim read of the draft rules..

it talks about the components on the bikes having to be from the period of the bikes manufacture.
i assume that the components used by ohlins etc change and improve over time.

would that mean that you would have to run stock suspension unless you could PROVE that your modified suspension was made in the era of your bike? or have i read that wrong?

Im not in the region to be involved with such a class, but like i said, id support one if it was closer, so fwiw, I wouldnt mind people being forced to use stock suspension components, with a limit on how the stock bits can be modded.

[CHOPPA]

I can see it working. I love bikes, but i simply cant afford two. so if I want to race or do trackdays, Its on my road going bike.
racing and trackdays are a bit different, trackdays are just because, racing lets you pit yourself against others and have a bit of competition. If there was a class that allowed the older carb'd R1's to race, without getting shat on by all the newer 600cc/1000cc bikes, Id be fucking right on top of that shit. I dont see me winning, but shed be fun as fuck.

and jumping into a class to race againts way superior bikes is pointless and not fun.

I hope the class takes off, and I hope that other clubs adopt is as well, that would be a great move. I mean the LAST carbd R1 for example is what, 10 years old now? and the youngest pre 89 bike is what 22 years old? thats a big gap, and i reckon enough of one to be worth a new class. Youll probably get a bunch of people of gt650's, and stuff coming along for fun as well.


Mate I think its great this new class might get you out but you should just come race F1 on whatever you have or clubmen. It really doesnt matter if you win or lose. The bike is capable of whipping up some very new machinery! There are guys on brand new Ducatis that would get beaten by an old R1.

There is nothing more fun then beating riders on an old bike. When I race MX I use an old KX500 and I can still win the odd clubday on it against national riders, that is fun!

[tigertim20]

Mate I think its great this new class might get you out but you should just come race F1 on whatever you have or clubmen. It really doesnt matter if you win or lose. The bike is capable of whipping up some very new machinery! There are guys on brand new Ducatis that would get beaten by an old R1.

There is nothing more fun then beating riders on an old bike. When I race MX I use an old KX500 and I can still win the odd clubday on it against national riders, that is fun!

this is true, and a fair point.

but there are also other groups of people out there who would like to race, and simply lack the money, but have the skills, balls, time and commitment. If a new class gives people with a smaller pocket the opportunity to get out, race hard, and win, without spending a cunt load of money over a season, then isnt that a good thing?
Frankly carbs and massively limited mods would be awesome. fuck limit them to road tyres too while you're at it. I know some people think parity is boring, but when you limit it alot more, it often results in much closer racing, which, IMO, is better for the spectators, and more fun for the guys out there having a great battle everytime the flag drops

[crazy man]

this is true, and a fair point.

but there are also other groups of people out there who would like to race, and simply lack the money, but have the skills, balls, time and commitment. If a new class gives people with a smaller pocket the opportunity to get out, race hard, and win, without spending a cunt load of money over a season, then isnt that a good thing?
Frankly carbs and massively limited mods would be awesome. fuck limit them to road tyres too while you're at it. I know some people think parity is boring, but when you limit it alot more, it often results in much closer racing, which, IMO, is better for the spectators, and more fun for the guys out there having a great battle everytime the flag dropsroad tires no way its taken me 10 year to get my first set of new slicks lol and should last me 10 year lol

[slowpoke]

I dunno, if someone wants to race I reckon they'll already be racing. I can't see many, if any, new racers coming out of the woodwork just 'cos there's a new class. If you were keen you'd already be out there in Clubman's or F1/2. If a 600 can do well in F1 (as they do) then there are no excuses for being shy with your 'blade, R1, ZX9 etc. Same goes for the older 600's, they should be a lot quicker than the pro-twins etc that also enter F2.

It's just more dilution I reckon, and not really helping the overall racing scene. Sure Oz may have something similar but the racing scene is a helluva lot different over there, with an assembly line of great racers while we are struggling in comparison.

If the Winter Series is trying to attract more racers I'd be looking more at things like the 4 lap qualifying before introducing another class. Even if I still had my old R1 I wouldn't turn up to race with just 4 laps to get up to speed.

[White trash]

Here's the thing. If someone took a 98 R1, and entered every round of the VMCC winter series, consistantly running 72 second laps in the dry, they'd be winning the F1 class right now. So they really don' need their own class.

[tigertim20]

I dunno, if someone wants to race I reckon they'll already be racing. I can't see many, if any, new racers coming out of the woodwork just 'cos there's a new class. If you were keen you'd already be out there in Clubman's or F1/2. If a 600 can do well in F1 (as they do) then there are no excuses for being shy with your 'blade, R1, ZX9 etc. Same goes for the older 600's, they should be a lot quicker than the pro-twins etc that also enter F2.

It's just more dilution I reckon, and not really helping the overall racing scene. Sure Oz may have something similar but the racing scene is a helluva lot different over there, with an assembly line of great racers while we are struggling in comparison.

If the Winter Series is trying to attract more racers I'd be looking more at things like the 4 lap qualifying before introducing another class. Even if I still had my old R1 I wouldn't turn up to race with just 4 laps to get up to speed.

and what about the bikes in pro twins that are carbed but getting beat badly, and would like a new class where they can be more competitive without having to fork out money hand over fist?

[Kickaha]

and what about the bikes in pro twins that are carbed but getting beat badly, and would like a new class where they can be more competitive without having to fork out money hand over fist?

Maybe they should learn to ride a bit harder, more often than not it's the rider more than the bikes

How many new classes would you like?

Everyone want a class where they and there bike can be competitive and it just isn't going to happen, you'd end up with to many classes to run unless you wanted to have week long meetings

[Skunk]

acording to the vic club they are losing money running the club and need more riders out there! and there must be alot of guy with theses newer bikes! so why not have them? lm just saying stick to the same rules as what ozzy run in case they come to to ride in nz or the other way around.Who said VMCC is losing money? Times are tight and fields are small - true. Losing money? AGM is next month so wait and see...


actually have a question..
had a skim read of the draft rules..

it talks about the components on the bikes having to be from the period of the bikes manufacture.
i assume that the components used by ohlins etc change and improve over time.

would that mean that you would have to run stock suspension unless you could PROVE that your modified suspension was made in the era of your bike? or have i read that wrong?You have misread it. Visually indistinguishable is the phrase you missed I think. Those rules are a copy of Aussie pre 95 rules but amended for here. This is a Vic Club thing like our Mini Lite 250s.
I don't envisage large entries but if it gives a few cash strapped former F1, F2 and F3 bikes a place to be - job done. Big fields - Good racing.
All I saw was a big gap between Pre89 and the age of most F1 and F2 bikes. This is an attempt by VMCC to fill it with as much choice as possible. Currently we have '90 RGV 250's in F3. Hardly what I'd call even with R6 450's.

Anyway here are the DRAFT rules.
Don't post your suggestions here if you want Vic Club to have them! They MUST be emailed to Vic Club.

VMCC RULES FOR POST 90 CARBIES CLASS
SEASON COMMENCING 2012
ALL COMPETITORS PLEASE NOTE: If you are attempting to enter a machine or component that is not obviously known to be eligible then you must have documented evidence that the machine or component was available in the period or is a visually indistinguishable replica of a machine or component available in the period.
YOU MUST HAVE YOUR OWN DOCUMENTED EVIDENCE IF REQUESTED. DO NOT rely solely on another person’s opinion.
PROOF OF ELIGIBILITY The onus of proof of eligibility shall rest wholly upon the rider or entrant of the machine. The eligibility and dating of machines for these classes shall be considered in terms of major and minor components and the period of the motorcycle shall be the period of the latest major component. For the purpose of these rules the “Post 90 Carbies” is defined as a model that ONLY came from the manufacturer with carburettors. No major or minor parts from later models that had Fuel Injection may be used.

1. THE DATING OF REPLICATED MAJOR COMPONENTS IS DEFINED AS THE YEAR OF MANUFACTURE OF THE ORIGINAL COMPONENT BEING REPLICATED.
Major components are:
A) All engine and gearbox external castings.
B) Frames
C) Swing arms
D) Brakes
E) Forks and fork yokes
F) Carburettors

2. All machines must be a Production Road Bike. It must have a compliance plate. Machines without compliance plates will be judged by frame number and model year. No specialised race only machinery will be eligible.

3. Fairings, streamlining and cosmetic components must be based on patterns known and used in the period. Components manufactured outside the period are eligible if they are visually indistinguishable from components available within the period being depicted.

4. Modifications to major components are allowed, providing such modifications are visually indistinguishable from modifications proven to have been used in the period.

5. Chapter 10 of the GCR applies.

6. Tyre choice and wheel size is open but wheels must be from or visually indistinguishable from models available in the period.

7. CLASSES WITHIN POST 90 CARBIES:
Formula 1
• 601cc – Unlimited 4 Stroke Machines
• 401cc – Unlimited 2 Stroke Machines
Formula 2
• 251cc – 400cc 2 Stroke Machines
• 401cc – 600cc 4 Stroke Machines
Formula 3
• 0 - 250cc 2 Stroke Machines
• 0 - 400cc 4 Stroke Machines

8. A F3 or F2 road based machine fitted with any MAJOR component from a higher Formula machine will be moved up into the Formula group that the donor machine would normally occupy.

[crazy man]

Who said VMCC is losing money? Times are tight and fields are small - true. Losing money? AGM is next month so wait and see...
all iv been told is number are down alot from last year and your not hosting the nationals cause your losing money great if your not!! time are not to great and l think its a good idea like your doing to get more people out there with this class. l just looked up times from 98-99 nationals at manfeild and 108's were the times they were doing think that same bike could do 7s today with better tires.. were 95 bikes were doing more like 11 from nz riders. maybe put the pre 96 bike with the 89 boys and the 97-99 carb bikes with the super bikes? just a idea and l do know unless you stick a good rider on the bike there not going to get near the times l said just saying the differents..cheers

[Ronin]

all iv been told is number are down alot from last year and your not hosting the nationals cause your losing money great if your not!! time are not to great and l think its a good idea like your doing to get more people out there with this class. l just looked up times from 98-99 nationals at manfeild and 108's were the times they were doing think that same bike could do 7s today with better tires.. were 95 bikes were doing more like 11 from nz riders. maybe put the pre 96 bike with the 89 boys and the 97-99 carb bikes with the super bikes? just a idea and l do know unless you stick a good rider on the bike there not going to get near the times l said just saying the differents..cheers

I think you will find that the way to lose money is to host the Nationals.

[CHOPPA]

I think you will find that the way to lose money is to host the Nationals.

Not if its done right

[Ronin]

Not if its done right

Then I suggest you do it.

[CHOPPA]

Then I suggest you do it.

Hey theres a good idea! How about we get the riders to organise it and we can get everyone to come to the track to watch the flag marshals :blink:

[slowpoke]

Then I suggest you do it.

Have a look at a few threads around the traps and you'll see that's exactly what he's trying to do.

[Skunk]

Not if its done rightNot as easy as you might think Sloan. I'd be interested to hear your ideas as no matter how I look at it to make money you need one or more of the following:

Host it in the South Island
Awesome weather with lots of people wanting to come to the track and pay a huge gate fee
$300 entry fee
Mad sponsors who want to hand over large amounts of cash for little return

I'd be happy to run a Nationals Round if I could get the budget to work - but I can't without one of the above.

[jellywrestler]

Awesome weather with lots of people wanting to come to the track and pay a huge gate fee
One of the problems with the Manfeild round this year was the gate keepers weren't taking money from everyone, that had to hurt them a bit.
I heard two different people crowing about how they got in for free, they thought it was a huge joke sadly

[White trash]

One of the problems with the Manfeild round this year was the gate keepers weren't taking money from everyone, that had to hurt them a bit.
I heard two different people crowing about how they got in for free, they thought it was a huge joke sadly

Manawatu Orion ran it this year though, didn't VMCC offer free gate entry last time they held it?

[wharfy]

Manawatu Orion ran it this year though, didn't VMCC offer free gate entry last time they held it?

Correct, it was hoped more spectators would show up and also you have to pay more for track hire if you charge an entry fee for spectators.
Overall I think it worked out better, don't think it made a huge difference to the number of spectators but it meant that the volunteers could be doing other stuff. And It did sort of indicate that even though people whine about the cost of entry it is not a major factor in the attendance levels at meetings.

I did the gate at one National round (where entry was charged) it is a real pain, I did enjoy being the friendly face of motorcycling, but being responsible for considerable amounts of cash with no real audit/security was not that great and also having to be a policeman for the few wankers that wanted to get in for free took a lot of the fun out of it.

[White trash]

Correct, it was hoped more spectators would show up and also you have to pay more for track hire if you charge an entry fee for spectators.
Overall I think it worked out better, don't think it made a huge difference to the number of spectators but it meant that the volunteers could be doing other stuff. And It did sort of indicate that even though people whine about the cost of entry it is not a major factor in the attendance levels at meetings.

I did the gate at one National round (where entry was charged) it is a real pain, I did enjoy being the friendly face of motorcycling, but being responsible for considerable amounts of cash with no real audit/security was not that great and also having to be a policeman for the few wankers that wanted to get in for free took a lot of the fun out of it.

Manfeild's always going to be a failure for spectator numbers. Being two hours away from the nearest major centre has more to do with it than entry prices.

[CHOPPA]

Not as easy as you might think Sloan. I'd be interested to hear your ideas as no matter how I look at it to make money you need one or more of the following:

Host it in the South Island
Awesome weather with lots of people wanting to come to the track and pay a huge gate fee
$300 entry fee
Mad sponsors who want to hand over large amounts of cash for little return

I'd be happy to run a Nationals Round if I could get the budget to work - but I can't without one of the above.


If a $300 entry fee is what it takes to make it a more professional operation then so be it. A $500 entry fee for a fucken awesome event would be worth it. We spend $700-$800 on tyres per race. To spend an extra $200 on an entry fee so we actually have a spectacle we can promote to current and potential sponsors is well worth it.

Its about $700 for entry to an ozzy event.

[Kickaha]

If a $300 entry fee is what it takes to make it a more professional operation then so be it. A $500 entry fee for a fucken awesome event would be worth it. We spend $700-$800 on tyres per race. To spend an extra $200 on an entry fee so we actually have a spectacle we can promote to current and potential sponsors is well worth it.

Its about $700 for entry to an ozzy event.

How many people would enter if it cost $300 at every round when there's struggle for numbers at the current pricing

$500 each round and I doubt you would even have an event

[CHOPPA]

How many people would enter if it cost $300 at every round when there's struggle for numbers at the current pricing

$500 each round and I doubt you would even have an event

Every superbike and 600 rider that races the nationals would

[slowpoke]

How many people would enter if it cost $300 at every round when there's struggle for numbers at the current pricing

$500 each round and I doubt you would even have an event

It's a chicken or the egg situation. We struggle to promote and put on a decent show, so we struggle to get sponsors. But we need the sponsors to promote and put on the show we need to get the sponsors......geddit?(lol).

It's like being turned down for a job because you don't have experience....how do you get the experience without the job?

The answer may be to reach into our own pockets, to take some short term pain, for some long term gain. Like the bloke who works for nothing to get the experience he needs to score a paying job.

[Kickaha]

Every superbike and 600 rider that races the nationals would

Pretty big call saying that, have you asked each and everyone of them?

I know you Superbike guys find it hard to believe but however much you'd like it to be the Nationals isn't just about your classes and without the other classes you might find yourself paying a lot more than $500

Anyway I thought this thread was about Post 90 Carb Bikes at VMCC?

[CHOPPA]

Pretty big call saying that, have you asked each and everyone of them?

I know you Superbike guys find it hard to believe but however much you'd like it to be the Nationals isn't just about your classes and without the other classes you might find yourself paying a lot more than $500

Anyway I thought this thread was about Post 90 Carb Bikes at VMCC?

Its called the New Zealand Superbike series, everything else is a support class :devil2::shutup:

[Kickaha]

Its called the New Zealand Superbike series :devil2::shutup:

Really? I heard it was going to be renamed the New Zealand Streetstock series because they have the biggest fields and best racing

[Billy]

Its called the New Zealand Superbike series, everything else is a support class :devil2::shutup:

Read the rules lately???:facepalm:

[wharfy]

Anyway I thought this thread was about Post 90 Carb Bikes at VMCC?

When has the thread topic ever been a consideration in Kiwibiker posts :)

[CHOPPA]

Read the rules lately???:facepalm:

Doesnt matter what the rules say mate its the lap times that count, gotta give these young champions coming through from streetstock something to strive for

[crazy man]

at 300 bucks a meeting l would never race again maybe a bucket. would be cool to get the TAB involved that would bring some cash in

[CHOPPA]

at 300 bucks a meeting l would never race again maybe a bucket. would be cool to get the TAB involved that would bring some cash in

Did my first bucket race on the weekend that was awesome! Prob with the TAB is there would be a lot of match fixin going on haha

[CHOPPA]

at 300 bucks a meeting l would never race again maybe a bucket. would be cool to get the TAB involved that would bring some cash in

So you are doing the nationals this year at the current price then?

[crazy man]

Did my first bucket race on the weekend that was awesome! Prob with the TAB is there would be a lot of match fixin going on hahaall the better to make money!

[crazy man]

So you are doing the nationals this year at the current price then?l would lf l was heathy only just started racing bikes after 10 years. thanks for the offer for the tires at the last meeting to

[gixerracer]

Pretty big call saying that, have you asked each and everyone of them?

I know you Superbike guys find it hard to believe but however much you'd like it to be the Nationals isn't just about your classes and without the other classes you might find yourself paying a lot more than $500

Anyway I thought this thread was about Post 90 Carb Bikes at VMCC?

What a stupid f--k-n thing to say. Your are the only idiot that I can see on here that has this attitude. You will find that most of the Superbike riders are doing something behind the scene with a rider from at least one other class. Its stupid uneducated comments like yours that prove these forums are just full of dickheads

[Kickaha]

What a stupid f--k-n thing to say. Your are the only idiot that I can see on here that has this attitude.

What attitude is that Dickhead? :finger:


You will find that most of the Superbike riders are doing something behind the scene with a rider from at least one other class.
I didn't say they weren't, how about you name the riders and who they are working with just so we can see what top blokes they are :yawn:


Its stupid uneducated comments like yours that prove these forums are just full of dickheads
You'd be used to dickheads after racing in the Superbike class because it seems to be full of them, cept for that Craig Shirriffs bloke cause he's awesome :niceone:


Did my first bucket race on the weekend that was awesome!

Stepping up to the premier class :shifty:

What bike were you riding? Kart track or long track?

You should find a ride for the Bucket NZGP

[gixerracer]

You'd be used to dickheads after racing in the Superbike class because it seems to be full of them


Says the sidechair homo

[CHOPPA]

l would lf l was heathy only just started racing bikes after 10 years. thanks for the offer for the tires at the last meeting to

No drama, looked like you were having a good time and you had quite the entourage! I got loosely filled in why you had been away so long, it must be a good feeling to get back out there!

[CHOPPA]

I rode a CBR150, was a hell of a lot of fun. Im just trying to find a bucket race bike now. I was at the Kaitoke track in wellington.

Got waxed

[Deano]

I rode a CBR150, was a hell of a lot of fun. Im just trying to find a bucket race bike now. I was at the Kaitoke track in wellington.

Got waxed

If you didn't crash you weren't trying hard enough.

Even I crash buckets !

[Kickaha]

You'd be used to dickheads after racing in the Superbike class because it seems to be full of them


Says the sidechair homo

At least the sidecar homo knows how the quote function works:facepalm:


I rode a CBR150, was a hell of a lot of fun. Im just trying to find a bucket race bike now. I was at the Kaitoke track in wellington.

Got waxed
Yeah we just did a 1 hour on Saturday on the Ruapuna extension

You've got a couple of weeks to find a bike http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/142179-F4-amp-F5-GP-2011-Taupo-Track-3-6-November

[tigertim20]

You will find that most of the Superbike riders are doing something behind the scene with a rider from at least one other class.
all three of them? cool!:shutup:


Says the sidechair homo
call the waaaaaahhmbulance?

If you didn't crash you weren't trying hard enough.

Even I crash buckets !

Most bins wins?

[jellywrestler]

You will find that most of the Superbike riders are doing something behind the Toilets with a rider from at least one other class.
there fixed that for ya...

[tigertim20]

there fixed that for ya...

you must spread... etc

[Nonbeliever]

kik, you're as deluded as allways

[Kickaha]

kik, you're as deluded as allways

:finger:You need to be a lot more specific, there's a lot of things I'm deluded about

[Bert]

Anyway here are the DRAFT rules.

VMCC RULES FOR POST 90 CARBIES CLASS
SEASON COMMENCING 2012

7. CLASSES WITHIN POST 90 CARBIES:
Formula 1
• 601cc – Unlimited 4 Stroke Machines
• 401cc – Unlimited 2 Stroke Machines
Formula 2
• 251cc – 400cc 2 Stroke Machines
• 401cc – 600cc 4 Stroke Machines
Formula 3
• 0 - 250cc 2 Stroke Machines
• 0 - 400cc 4 Stroke Machines



Great Idea VMCC; anything to get more people out there racing having fun is good for the sport.

So Am I reading this correctly;
the different post90's subclass's will start at the back of the appropriate "Formula" class??; i.e. 250cc two stroke will start of the back of the F3 class?

What would happen with Qualifying times are greater than than of the back end of the formula class? Will they still start at the back?

or more likely in my case much slower (and likely to be lapped by the Formula class)?? is there a threat that there is a significant speed differential?

Given that it will be a club class, I'm assuming there will be a club championship to race for within these classes?


you can resume the sh!t poking again now...:facepalm:

[crazy man]

Great Idea VMCC; anything to get more people out there racing having fun is good for the sport.

So Am I reading this correctly;
the different post90's subclass's will start at the back of the appropriate "Formula" class??; i.e. 250cc two stroke will start of the back of the F3 class?

What would happen with Qualifying times are greater than than of the back end of the formula class? Will they still start at the back?

or more likely in my case much slower (and likely to be lapped by the Formula class)?? is there a threat that there is a significant speed differential?

Given that it will be a club class, I'm assuming there will be a club championship to race for within these classes?


you can resume the sh!t poking again now...:facepalm:cool your some new meat we can attack lol l agree l dont want to ride in the super bikes there to fast and l'm likely to get lapped been just a club rider now days just out for some fun but would like a chance to get better and maybe one day win a race

[gixerracer]

cool your some new meat we can attack lol l agree l dont want to ride in the super bikes there to fast and l'm likely to get lapped been just a club rider now days just out for some fun but would like a chance to get better and maybe one day win a race

Buy some new tyres then:bleh:

[crazy man]

Buy some new tyres then:bleh:l'm still waiting for my chain of you

[Yow Ling]

I like the idea of starting 30 FXR150s off the back of F3 that should sort out the fast boys when they start lapping

[quickbuck]

I like the idea of starting 30 FXR150s off the back of F3 that should sort out the fast boys when they start lapping

Um, what are you on about?
FXR's are F4... They will be in Street Stock, if they are fast enough.....

Still reckon bang for buck, one ca't go past this..... http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=418586739

[ktm]

Check out online trading FZR 1000 for your carbed race-bike, may also cross enter pre 89? and get twice the racing per meeting. Go on, you know you want to......

[tigertim20]

Check out online trading FZR 1000 for your carbed race-bike, may also cross enter pre 89? and get twice the racing per meeting. Go on, you know you want to......

unless your name is CHOPPA . . .:innocent: