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Brian d marge
7th October 2011, 16:47
here they are, sorry if been posted before, I'm on the mobile its hard to use ....
Moto3 Regulations Released by stafftastic Thursday, October 06, 2011

The death of the two-stroke hit home even more Thursday, Oct. 6, when the FIM issued technical regulations for the new Moto3 class that's replacing the 125cc category in the World Championship starting in 2012.

Some of the key highlights:

Engine:

250cc, four-stroke only. Single cylinder only. No turbocharging or supercharging. Crankshaft limited to 14,000 rpm. No pneumatic or hydraulic valve systems. No variable valve timing or valve lift systems permitted. The maximum price of the engine is 12,000 Euros, including the throttle body, injectors and a complete transmission. Any team competing in the race can buy the engine used in that race by another team for 12,000 Euros. (The "claimer" rule) Each engine manufacturer must supply sufficient engines and spare parts for 15 riders per season, if requested. The minimum will be eight riders for manufacturers entering the championship for the first time. A maximum of eight engines can be used per rider for the entire season. A rebuilt engine is counted as new.

Inlet, Fuel System and Lubricant:

The throttle must be controlled exclusively by mechanical means (i.e., cable) that is operated by the rider only. Maximum of two fuel injectors and two independent fuel injector drivers.

Transmission:

Maximum of six gearbox speeds, with a maximum of two possible gear ratios for each gearbox speed and two possible rations for the primary driver gear. Teams must declare the two ratios chosen for each gear at the start of the season, with only those ratios used all season. Seamless-shift transmissions prohibited.

Ignition, Electronics and Data Logging

Only ECU's approved by the series organizer are allowed, and they cannot be modified. The official ECU will include an engine rpm limiter and an inboard data logger. No other data-logging devices can be used.

Chassis

Minimum total weight of the motorcycle and rider is 148 kg (326.3 pounds). Brake discs must be made from ferrous materials (steel).

Materials and Construction

Camshafts, crankshafts and piston pins must be made from ferrous materials (iron, steel). Engine crankcases, cylinder blocks and cylinder heads must be made from cast aluminum alloy. Pistons must be made from an aluminum alloy. Connecting rods, valves and valve springs must be made from ferrous- or titanium-based alloys.

steveyb
7th October 2011, 18:56
http://depeches-motoplus.blogspot.com/2011/10/ktm-moto3-ce-nest-plus-un-reve.html

French Canadian article. If you philistines want me to translate it I can, mostly anyway, but it would be easier to use google translator or Babel fish.

Brian d marge
7th October 2011, 21:32
we are talking sexy byatches , here ...Im warming to this Moto3 .......

Stephen

puddytat
7th October 2011, 22:39
....and a rumoured 350 road going version in 2013

denill
8th October 2011, 13:01
http://depeches-motoplus.blogspot.com/2011/10/ktm-moto3-ce-nest-plus-un-reve.html

French Canadian article. If you philistines want me to translate it I can, mostly anyway, but it would be easier to use google translator or Babel fish.

Google translated:

Speaking at a press conference held in Salzburg, at Hangar 7, owned by Red Bull KTM presented to reporters gathered for the occasion Moto3 its program for 2012.

If the bike the firm Mattighofen engage in this new class to replace the 125GP is not yet ready, the guests could see the engine that will power this machine as well as very realistic sketches of the Beast.

According to the regulations in force in Moto3, KTM will make the engine available for chassis manufacturers and teams who want to use it. This engine will be sold at around € 12 000 (about $ 18,000). Kalex Engineering, which already provides an excellent frame to several teams Moto2 Moto3 manufacture an engine equipped KTM.

This is a 4 stroke liquid-cooled, with a displacement of 250cc lightweight and compact. It does indeed weigh 25 kg and that would be equipped with titanium radial valves, allowing it to reach a maximum speed of 14,000 rev / min.

The bike is also compact. Note the tubular trellis frame and the back very short truncated reminiscent of the race bikes of the 60s.

A legal version for the road, with an engine that can cube to 350 cc, rumored, could make its appearance in 2013, the European market ... Stay tuned!

lostinflyz
8th October 2011, 17:15
man its going to be interesting, 2+ meets per motor is alot longer life than many expected.

14k rpm out of a single must sound interesting too!!!

Bert
8th October 2011, 19:17
http://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-racing-news-moto-gp/iodaracing-unveil-moto3-engine/18475.html

X-Aprilia, "Giampiero Sacchi's Iodaracing project"... (moto2 & now moto3)...

love the intakes/throttle body; even if its a four stroker.....:facepalm:

tigertim20
8th October 2011, 19:41
for the tech savvy, as an estimation, what kind of power do you reckon they will get out of engines with these specs?
sounhds very limited and boring/slow as fuck???

Ronin
8th October 2011, 19:47
for the tech savvy, as an estimation, what kind of power do you reckon they will get out of engines with these specs?
sounhds very limited and boring/slow as fuck???

Follow the links. Around 50hp. Can't see it being boring at all.

crazy man
8th October 2011, 21:34
Follow the links. Around 50hp. Can't see it being boring at all.think it will be fast and good to watch

Brian d marge
16th January 2012, 21:31
Have just been up close and personal with the Honda moto3 bike, think rs 125 with CR donk
but there are some very nice touches, the exhaust is cute, its very slim, , quite solid up the front
I will try and take some photos, but HRC, are a bit anal about photo taking, I'm there until Friday so will try ...
good move by Honda..., a cheap maybe competive 250,
yeah I look forward to this season

stephen

scott411
17th January 2012, 19:45
was it a tiwn cam head? the CR's are single cam and i thought i had heard the new motor was twin cam?

Brian d marge
20th January 2012, 13:23
was it a tiwn cam head? the CR's are single cam and i thought i had heard the new motor was twin cam?
sorry for the late reply, yes is twin can, nothing special about the thing really, but good usable tune able, and cheap,,, the wear rates are low enough this will be an awesome club bike
I have photos but they are on the phone and I haven't had the chance to upload them
Stephen

Cleve
20th January 2012, 14:21
I have a photo from when I went to Motegi last year
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placidfemme
20th January 2012, 14:26
http://depeches-motoplus.blogspot.com/2011/10/ktm-moto3-ce-nest-plus-un-reve.html


What is the purpose of the carbon guard around the front rim?

Brian d marge
20th January 2012, 21:30
probably to smooth airflow into the radiator as is turbulent coming off the wheel , bicycles use it
stephen

Brian d marge
20th January 2012, 22:33
finally had a chance , here are some photos from this week

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Big Out board , cockpit of the jet boat thingy , paper models made by the young lads ( serious talent )

Stephen

Brian d marge
20th January 2012, 22:36
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Moto3 bike , Charles lalay? paris dakar bike . and a Baja honda

Stephen

Brian d marge
20th January 2012, 22:38
last ones

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Flat tracker and moto3

Stephen

ellipsis
21st January 2012, 01:13
....cool to be surrounded by Soichira's vision and babies, I bet...

Brian d marge
21st January 2012, 01:27
....cool to be surrounded by Soichira's vision and babies, I bet...

All the Gp stuff goes on up stairs , Ive tried,,, but not even a look in ,

Still you never know

Stephen

Grumph
21st January 2012, 06:14
Very interesting...I see they're buying their tea strainers from Dellorto....

the reverse head layout is logical once watercooling is used and managing inlet air becomes a major priority.
Looks like there's provision on the cases for additional drives - maybe a dry sump pump if it becomes necessary.

Anyone let drop whether it's a plain bearing crank ?

Brian d marge
21st January 2012, 21:45
Very interesting...I see they're buying their tea strainers from Dellorto....

the reverse head layout is logical once watercooling is used and managing inlet air becomes a major priority.
Looks like there's provision on the cases for additional drives - maybe a dry sump pump if it becomes necessary.

Anyone let drop whether it's a plain bearing crank ?

they are are floating bearing Fed from a spring loaded ball pressure relief valve

actually I forgot to ask , but I do love the enfield floating bearing

Stephen

Cleve
22nd January 2012, 06:50
cheers for the photos. Looks like a basic cockpit/dashboard set up.