Pinlock visors?

[yamahaggis88]

See quite a few people going on about pinlock visors, whats different and/or so good about them? Total n00b, never heard of them before, but interested...

[LBD]

Best I can liken them to, is double glazing on a window....the end result is the inner layer is not as cold as the outer layer of your visor so your warm moist breath does not form condensation on the inside of your visor.

I have used a pinloc for a few years and am very happy with it.

[Vgygrwr]

Good description, even though the gap between the two layers is quite small they work incredibly well in cold damp conditions. Only thing I find is quite easy to scratch if not careful cleaning. I used the cheaper stick on type for a few years but the pinlock is much better.

[Number One]

Pinlocks rock! Especially us four eyes!

[boman]

Try it. And you will NEVER buy a helmet without one ever again. I believe they can be retrofitted into any full face helmet.

[steve_t]

As said, they are the BEST antifog device fullstop. :yes:

[theseekerfinds]

double glazing for helmet visors is exactly what it is. the layer of air between the visor and the insert absorbs/dilutes any minor temp changes between outside and inside allowing both lenses to remain clear..

I had fitted fog city brand adhesive inserts for many years and upon my return to riding recently decided I'd try the pinlock insert as no one stocked the fog city style any more.. awesome doesn't do the result justice, the insert sits on eccentric pins so it can be adjusted for the perfect fit and the safety of riding with a clear visor from the moment it's closed is somethng that can never be over rated.. I wear a neck sock at all times and fogging was a real problem with no insert in place..

I currently only have a pin lock in my Arai as my fog city inserts in my Shoeis are still perfect, but they are both a fantastic product. The pin lock packaging came with a spare set of pins to retro fit the insert onto any visor and full instructions on how to do so.. it also does state that the insert is not scratch resistant like the visor it will be attached to so care is to be exercised when cleaning.

one of the best products you can by in my opinion..

[slofox]

Magic mate, sheer fuckin' magic. I'd never be without one.

[p.dath]

Basically they reduce helmet fogging substantially. If you do much riding in the cold then they are worth getting.

[chasio]

I fitted one at the start of this winter. I will never go without Pinlock again.

Incidentally, it's not just double glazing, because the insert material is actually moisture absoring as well. Since I have never heard of their effectiveness reducing over time, I assume they must also give up the absorbed moisture when the ambient air is relatively dry (e.g. over the summer..?)

[NZsarge]

Properly adjusted, I can highly recommend them too.

[yamahaggis88]

Sounds like what i've been needing all winter :yes:

Good to know you can fit them to anything, but before going DIY can you get pinlock ready visors for HJC's?

[oracle]

I was wondering if the pinlocks are specifically designed to fit one or a few helmets visors or are they a universal thing as I have pinlock ready visor but I can't find anywhere that stocks them for my brand of helmet (LS2)

[steve_t]

I was wondering if the pinlocks are specifically designed to fit one or a few helmets visors or are they a universal thing as I have pinlock ready visor but I can't find anywhere that stocks them for my brand of helmet (LS2)

Maybe this?
http://www.motomail.co.nz/estore/style/fvlensad.aspx

[oracle]

Maybe this?
http://www.motomail.co.nz/estore/style/fvlensad.aspx

It the visor is pinlock ready though, are they specific for helmets is what I want to know

[steve_t]

It the visor is pinlock ready though, are they specific for helmets is what I want to know

Does 'pinlock ready' mean it's already got pins in place? Or markings where to stick pins?

[oracle]

Already has the pins

[steve_t]

There are some manufacturer specific inserts but I'd expect a universal one would probably be the right for your LS2 visor. Probably best to go to a store and see what fits the best

[Laava]

pinlock will be a shoei patent trademark but who cares so long as they work right?
Best bit of riding gear you can have

[Mully Clown]

Pinlocks rock! Especially us four eyes!

Any tips for stopping your glasses from fogging up?

[TOTO]

I was wondering if the pinlocks are specifically designed to fit one or a few helmets visors or are they a universal thing as I have pinlock ready visor but I can't find anywhere that stocks them for my brand of helmet (LS2)

I have seen the LS2 pinlocks at Cycletreads on barrys point road ...0800 TREADS

[Berries]

Any tips for stopping your glasses from fogging up?
Contact lenses. Got them soon after my first ride in the rain. None of this shagging around getting them bent trying to get them on with a helmet on and then having rain drops on them blurring your vision. Worth serious consideration.

[oracle]

I have seen the LS2 pinlocks at Cycletreads on barrys point road ...0800 TREADS

Cheers, have been there but have trouble finding much myself. Will have a look once money frees up a bit

[p.dath]

It the visor is pinlock ready though, are they specific for helmets is what I want to know

Most helmets that have built in provisions for pinlock visors require that manufacturers pinlock visor. You can't use a generic part.

Some helmets that were not designed for pinlock visors can be retrofitted with after market pinlocks, but they are ususally helmet specific.

If you take a look at visors you'll see there is a lot of variation between them.

[Number One]

Any tips for stopping your glasses from fogging up?

Breath through your nose NOT mouth and have a wee crack in your visor...unless it has vents like mine...gosh I love my Arai!!!

I used to really struggle with fogging on visor and glasses, haven't even had to think about it since I got this helmet.

Hope you sort it. :sunny:

[aws]

I think there is probably more to the anti-fogging effect than just the air gap. The material itself won't fog if you blow on it like your visor will.

The biggest downside to the pinlock is all the extra reflections you get when riding at night. I've used both stick in and genuine pinlock and they both develop an extra "ghost" set of all the lights you can see in front of you. The good thing is - you eventually get used to it.

I think the Shoei ones have a little silicone type bead around the inside to hold them off the visor. Most others like my Nolan, don't have this. Eventually they end up with little "scratch" like marks around the perimeter as if dust has got between them. However I suspect - and I've yet to prove it - that the "scratches" are in fact little bits of the pinlock which have become "stuck" to the visor when water gets between them. Chasio's suggestion that the pinlock actually absorbs water goes some way to explaining this...

[BoristheBiter]

I think there is probably more to the anti-fogging effect than just the air gap. The material itself won't fog if you blow on it like your visor will.

The biggest downside to the pinlock is all the extra reflections you get when riding at night. I've used both stick in and genuine pinlock and they both develop an extra "ghost" set of all the lights you can see in front of you. The good thing is - you eventually get used to it.

I think the Shoei ones have a little silicone type bead around the inside to hold them off the visor. Most others like my Nolan, don't have this. Eventually they end up with little "scratch" like marks around the perimeter as if dust has got between them. However I suspect - and I've yet to prove it - that the "scratches" are in fact little bits of the pinlock which have become "stuck" to the visor when water gets between them. Chasio's suggestion that the pinlock actually absorbs water goes some way to explaining this...

The new Shoei helmets have the updated visors so you don't get the double image and the silicone bead is not in the eye line

[aws]

... and the silicone bead is not in the eye line

Yeah, I meant that the silicone bead probably holds the pinlock material away from the visor and prevents the scratching/sticking thing from happening.

[steve_t]

Are there "pinlock" inserts that don't come with a silicon bead around the edge? :blink::shit:

[imdying]

I think the Shoei ones have a little silicone type bead around the inside to hold them off the visor. Most others like my Nolan, don't have this. Eventually they end up with little "scratch" like marks around the perimeter as if dust has got between them. However I suspect - and I've yet to prove it - that the "scratches" are in fact little bits of the pinlock which have become "stuck" to the visor when water gets between them. Chasio's suggestion that the pinlock actually absorbs water goes some way to explaining this...My pinlock was fitted after market by a shop down here, XR1000. Great fit, works so well I'll never ride without them again. If has the silicone strip, and can confirm that shit gets in it and scratches the visor. Doesn't matter in practice because you couldn't see through the silicon anyway, but I'd be wary about doing it to any sort of visor that could wear and then flake.

I don't know whether a model specific visor that came equipped with a pinloc would solve that problem. I'm pretty sure it wouldn't for me. I'm pretty sure it's happening because I have removed it maybe half a dozen times in the time I've owned it. Thus I've never cleaned off any crap that's built up around the edge and it's worked into the silicone to make a happy little grinding paste. Smoked visor which doesn't flake so doesn't bother me.

up 1 vote for pinlock :yes:

[Latte]

I thought it sounded like a waste of money, and not that important, and I heard about the issues of the top of the pinlock being in the eyeline.

Now I've just picked up an XR1100 and the pinlock is AWESOME. Got used to it by the time I got to the end of my street, never gets in my eyeline. And it absolutely will not fog up no matter how hard I try.

Infact it was only trying to perve at some chicks on the side of the road I noticed the edge of the visor was all fogged up (past the pinlock) - guess I was breathing pretty hard :innocent:

[Berries]

The new Shoei helmets have the updated visors so you don't get the double image and the silicone bead is not in the eye line
How new? Got a Raid II (I think) last year with pinlock on the smoked visor. The bead isn't directly in line of sight but is a PITA at times. The worst thing I found is that it doesn't seal very well at the bottom of the visor, even with the adjusters done up full I can see a gap. Defeats the purpose on cold mornings so have started riding without it.

[BoristheBiter]

How new? Got a Raid II (I think) last year with pinlock on the smoked visor. The bead isn't directly in line of sight but is a PITA at times. The worst thing I found is that it doesn't seal very well at the bottom of the visor, even with the adjusters done up full I can see a gap. Defeats the purpose on cold mornings so have started riding without it.

I don't know what visors are on the raid but the XR1000 and the xsprite were CX1-V, now on the new XR1100 and X-sprite 2 they use the CW-1.
The visors and pinlock are larger than on the old ones.

Never had any trouble with any of my pinlocks but it sounds like you haven't flattened out the visor enough when fitting it or its the wrong pinlock for the visor.


Just checked and yes, you have the old style helmet as the hew raids are called Qwest so you will have the CX1-V visor.

[sinned]

Bring on summer and the pinlock visors gets put away until next winter. Yes they are not perfect but far better than whatever is next best.

[steve_t]

Shoei Qwest also uses the CW-1 visor with the large pinlock insert. The bead is nowhere near my line of sight and the clarity is fine so I leave the pinlocks in all year round :yes:

[BoristheBiter]

Shoei Qwest also uses the CW-1 visor with the large pinlock insert. The bead is nowhere near my line of sight and the clarity is fine so I leave the pinlocks in all year round :yes:

+1
The new CW-1 are so much better then the old ones and like you i leave mine on all the time.

[Premature Accelerato]

This may have been asked before but are any of the anti fog wipe on liquids effective?

[varminter]

This may have been asked before but are any of the anti fog wipe on liquids effective?

To some degree but not as good as the pinlock. I use that stuff on my glasses if it's a bit chilly. I like the warning that says "do not use on contact lenses", or eyeballs I assume:eek:

[RAJAH1]

It the visor is pinlock ready though, are they specific for helmets is what I want to know

These and heated grips make a potentially miserable winter ride be fun. Highly reccomend both.