Hard Bastards

[Coolz]

Todays racers,though highly skilled,seem to lack the character of the riders from days of old.Men like Mick Doohan who rode with a leg so busted up they had to fit a thumb operated rear brake.....or..Rollie Free who would ride anything except a Harley and was quick with his fists if a Harley rider looked at him sideways.....or..Carl Foggerty with his thousand yard stare....Who would put on your list of Hard Bastards?

[unstuck]

Any one who tackles a race like the IOM TT, you would have to have a degree of hardness to race there.:yes:

[5150]

Kevin Schwantz. The only man I know that could win races on an evil 500cc GP 2 stroke big banger with both arms in the cast. :gob:

[sharp2183]

Oh Casey Stoner for sure... That guy is so hard!

[Eyegasm]

Chopper Reid

Nuff said

[willytheekid]

Mike "the Bike" Hailwood

First rider ever to win four consecutive 500cc World Championships!!
12 x Isle of Man TT winner!...and he set a lap record that stood for 8yrs!!!
and the list goes on and on and on!

If you havn't seen this guy race...your missing out on pure riding poetry!

--His isle of man run aboard the 900ss ducati is absolutely legendary!--

Todays racers have NOTHING on this guy!

..there can be only one!

[Crasherfromwayback]

Kevin Schwantz. The only man I know that could win races on an evil 500cc GP 2 stroke big banger with both arms in the cast. :gob:

Think time may have clouded the truth.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Carl Foggerty with his thousand yard stare

That's because the closest mirror was 1000 yards away.

[george formby]

The Dunlop family.:yes:

[5150]

Oh Casey Stoner for sure... That guy is so hard!

HAHA, you talking about a guy who went walkabout on his team for 3 race meetings because he wasn't feeling like racing bikes and wanted a time out. :laugh:

[5150]

Think time may have clouded the truth.

I have a vid of him from the Lucky Strike Promo film that shows him weekend after the Laguna GP where he fell and dislocated his hip and rebroke one of his wrists. There is a scene that shows him getting ready for a race and the guys are fitting his gloves for him as he has a cast on each wrist/arm. He went out and won the race. I believe it was at Donnington if memory servs me right

[Big Dave]

That's because the closest mirror was 1000 yards away.

Roflcopter

[manxkiwi]

[QUOTE=willytheekid;1130173548]Mike "the Bike" Hailwood

First rider ever to win four consecutive 500cc World Championships!!
12 x Isle of Man TT winner!...and he set a lap record that stood for 8yrs!!!
and the list goes on and on and on!


And on to two more wins at the IOM. He won 14, sorry just being pedantic.

I agree he was certainly hard though.

[Big Dave]

Your Mr Slight wanted his munted hand rebuilt so it could hold a throttle.

[Crasherfromwayback]

HAHA, you talking about a guy who went walkabout on his team for 3 race meetings because he wasn't feeling like racing bikes and wanted a time out. :laugh:


I have a vid of him from the Lucky Strike Promo film that shows him weekend after the Laguna GP where he fell and dislocated his hip and rebroke one of his wrists. There is a scene that shows him getting ready for a race and the guys are fitting his gloves for him as he has a cast on each wrist/arm. He went out and won the race. I believe it was at Donnington if memory servs me right

Is that the one that has the awesome picture of him bawling his eyes out like a baby? The same guy that criticized Stoner for missing three races due to being dangerously crook? THE same guy that quit half way into a season? OH...that tough guy!!!

[Crasherfromwayback]

. He went out and won the race. I believe it was at Donnington if memory servs me right

Yep...he looks well hard mate.

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[5150]

Is that the one that has the awesome picture of him bawling his eyes out like a baby? The same guy that criticized Stoner for missing three races due to being dangerously crook? THE same guy that quit half way into a season? OH...that tough guy!!!

The same guy that won 1993 championship on a 500 while Stoner was still crapping in his nappies, and the same guy who tried to win at all costs or crashed trying. And the same guy who retired halfway through 1995 after career ending injuries. yeah, I think it is the same guy. Kevin Schwantz

[5150]

Yep...he looks well hard mate.

248399

I don't see you trying. :corn:

[Crasherfromwayback]

The same guy that won 1993 championship on a 500 while Stoner was still crapping in his nappies, and the same guy who tried to win at all costs or crashed trying. And the same guy who retired halfway through 1995 after career ending injuries. yeah, I think it is the same guy. Kevin Schwantz

Yep. That's him. The guy that won ONE championship (to Stoners two or more once he's finished). The guy that hasn't won as many races as Stoner. The guy that tried as hard as Stoner did on the Ducati no one could ride. Yep...that's him mate!

[5150]

Yep. That's him. The guy that won ONE championship (to Stoners two or more once he's finished). The guy that hasn't won as many races as Stoner. The guy that tried as hard as Stoner did on the Ducati no one could ride. Yep...that's him mate!

Atleast he wasn't as anoying fucking cunt as you are mate :facepalm:

[Deano]

Atleast he wasn't as anoying fucking cunt as you are mate :facepalm:

You lose. You resorted to personal abuse first !! :shutup:

[imdying]

The same guy that won 1993 championship on a 500 while Stoner was still crapping in his nappiesThat's how weak your argument is... you're dissing a guy because he was born after another guy :facepalm:

Number 34 was hard alright, he was just a little short on talent. Mind you it's a good thing he was born when he was, a few years later and he wouldn't have even had a look in. Win or bin just didn't stand up any more.

[eelracing]

You lose. You resorted to personal abuse first !! :shutup:

He's got a good point tho :innocent:



(to Stoners two or more once he's finished)

Keep it up fella's I think your slowly wearing him down.

[5150]

Number 34 was hard alright, he was just a little short on talent. Mind you it's a good thing he was born when he was, a few years later and he wouldn't have even had a look in. Win or bin just didn't stand up any more.

On that I would probably agree with you, but we were not talking about talent here, we were talking about being hard. My point was that there weren't many guys then or now who were prepared to ride with the injuries he had. Especially with both arms in a cast. Whether he only won one championship or 10 it did not really matter. It was what he was prepared to do to win.

[5150]

You lose. You resorted to personal abuse first !! :shutup:

I didn't realise we weren't allowed to swoop down to the gutter... :innocent:

[oneofsix]

I didn't realise we weren't allowed to swoop down to the gutter... :innocent:

:gob: not allowed to desend to the gutter? Who set the rules on this forum? :shit:

carry on :corn:

[Deano]

On that I would probably agree with you, but we were not talking about talent here, we were talking about being hard. My point was that there weren't many guys then or now who were prepared to ride with the injuries he had. Especially with both arms in a cast. Whether he only won one championship or 10 it did not really matter. It was what he was prepared to do to win.

'Drew' removed a cast only a few days after he broke his hand so he could race in a lowly club event. No world titles involved.

Then he proceeded to clip an inside tyre wall with his fucked hand. He kept racing though.

Thats pretty hard.

[Maha]

....I once rode with a hangover....:headbang:

[eelracing]

These comparing riders from diff era's are always interesting,but ultimately futile.

Willytheekid put up a great arguement for Hailwood but then another arguement would be MV had no real competition back then.(his Isle Of Man record speaks otherwise tho so no arguement from me there)

Schwantz was the man but the Suzuki was a dog at most tracks and only he could ride it at 10/10ths (sound familiar)

Another thing to take into account re. era's are what the bikes were like to ride.
Todays 800's must be complete pussycats to ride compared to the 500 screamers.
Another is the race circuits themselves...back in the day doing 150+mph beside barriers and over cobblestones/railway crossings were accepted.

So who's the hardest? taking all the above into account...Kenny Roberts Snr.The man won a championship with a broken back.

[Str8 Jacket]

....I once rode with a hangover....:headbang:

Doesn't count ;). When riding or racing the hangovers seem to magically dissapear, its just when you stop that it comes back!

[NordieBoy]

Your Mr Slight wanted his munted hand rebuilt so it could hold a throttle.

And instead, they drilled a hole in his head...

[NordieBoy]

Yep...he looks well hard mate.

248399

Chafing is a bitch.

[george formby]

....I once rode with a hangover....:headbang:

That's why I mentioned the Dunlops.... Fearless talent & Guiness.

[imdying]

Would have to be somebody from the pre 80s then, back when suspension technology was as crappy as the FZ8s is today.

[nudemetalz]

oh bugger,..the bike broken now...and before the race too... :facepalm:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTosN4mZgY0

:jerry:

[Coolz]

Back in the twentys,when GP races were 5 hours long and track surfaces hideous,was a guy by the name of Stanley Woods who insisted on a lever throttle control so he could tie it full on once on the move!

[willytheekid]

So who's the hardest? taking all the above into account...Kenny Roberts Snr.The man won a championship with a broken back.

King Kenny! :not:

How the HELL did I forget about him :facepalm:

1990-Inducted into the Motorsports Hall of Fame of America
1992-Inducted into the International Motorsports Hall of Fame
1998-Inducted into the AMA Motorcycle Hall of Fame
2000-The FIM named him a Grand Prix "Legend"

Say's it all really!.....and to watch him ride....WOW! limitless courage and skill.

Well done Eel :niceone:

.....I still say Hailwood...but then between these two...its just to bloody close to call, BOTH are not only legends to me....but childhood heros!

The hardest of the hard-bastards! :yes:

Ohh, and my Late granddad!...Flat track racer in Dunedin....known for being fearless and fast! (my original hard bastard hero!)

[5150]

oh bugger,..the bike broken now...and before the race too... :facepalm:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTosN4mZgY0

:jerry:

If you knew rest of this story, you would have known that the next day he went out and won the race :yes:

[Crasherfromwayback]

I don't see you trying. :corn:

Well you've never seen me break my wrist. But I have done so. Three times now. Collar bone(s) twice. Dislocated shoulder twice. Dislocated left knee three times, broken right ankle twice. Once so badly I nearly had my foot amputated. Had to get up and hop into the ambulance too, as there was no stretcher for me. Hundreds of people would've seen that one though. I did it at Wanganui in '05' racing my RMZ450, and slammed into the bridge coming on to the front straight. Didn't boo hoo then, and never have for your information tough guy.


Atleast he wasn't as anoying fucking cunt as you are mate :facepalm:

Yep...I find people that are beating me up badly in an argument as annoying as fuck too. Bout as annoying as people that think they know more than they do. Here's a wee pic of the ankle I destroyed for your viewing pleasure. Yep...it hurt a lot more than any broken wrist you're likely to get. Especially when I stood on it.

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[5150]

Well you've never seen me break my wrist. But I have done so. Three times now. Collar bone(s) twice. Dislocated shoulder twice. Dislocated left knee three times, broken right ankle twice. Once so badly I nearly had my foot amputated. Had to get up and hop into the ambulance too, as there was no stretcher for me. Hundreds of people would've seen that one though. I did it at Wanganui in '05' racing my RMZ450, and slammed into the bridge coming on to the front straight. Didn't boo hoo then, and never have for your information tough guy.



Yep...I find people that are beating me up badly in an argument as annoying as fuck too. Bout as annoying as people that think they know more than they do. Here's a wee pic of the ankle I destroyed for your viewing pleasure. Yep...it hurt a lot more than any broken wrist you're likely to get. Especially when I stood on it.

248410

Would you like a medal for that? :violin:

[Spearfish]

I thought Sue Bradford was a hard bastard, as hard as a gnarly old Totara post. I'm not sure if it's a what or a who that was ridden though.

[oneofsix]

I thought Sue Bradford was a hard bastard, as hard as a gnarly old Totara post. I'm not sure if it's a what or a who that was ridden though.

Thought she spent her live ridding on the tax payers back.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Would you like a medal for that? :violin:

Nah. Just proving you're a know all dork is enough.

[5150]

Nah. Just proving you're a know all dork is enough.

When did I say I am a know it all? It is you who seems to always correct every one.

[jellywrestler]

Well you've never seen me break my wrist. But I have done so. Three times now. Collar bone(s) twice. Dislocated shoulder twice. Dislocated left knee three times, broken right ankle twice. Once so badly I nearly had my foot amputated. Had to get up and hop into the ambulance too, as there was no stretcher for me. Hundreds of people would've seen that one though. I did it at Wanganui in '05' racing my RMZ450, and slammed into the bridge coming on to the front straight. Didn't boo hoo then, and never have for your information tough guy.





I was circumcised at birth and I couldn't walk for over a year, must have been a hard bastard back then eh?

[Crasherfromwayback]

I was circumcised at birth and I couldn't walk for over a year, must have been a hard bastard back then eh?

Is your slong that long you were treading on it?

[tigertim20]

Atleast he wasn't as anoying fucking cunt as you are mate :facepalm:
aaaand you just got trolled.:yes:

Yep. That's him. The guy that won ONE championship (to Stoners two or more once he's finished). The guy that hasn't won as many races as Stoner. The guy that tried as hard as Stoner did on the Ducati no one could ride. Yep...that's him mate!
to be fair though, the bikes today have much much better safety shit, better tyres, better suspension, better leathers with that whole airbag thingamy, better track surfaces, bigger run off areas and so on and so forth.

Well you've never seen me break my wrist. But I have done so. Three times now. Collar bone(s) twice. Dislocated shoulder twice. Dislocated left knee three times, broken right ankle twice. Once so badly I nearly had my foot amputated. Had to get up and hop into the ambulance too, as there was no stretcher for me. Hundreds of people would've seen that one though. I did it at Wanganui in '05' racing my RMZ450, and slammed into the bridge coming on to the front straight. Didn't boo hoo then, and never have for your information tough guy.



Yep...I find people that are beating me up badly in an argument as annoying as fuck too. Bout as annoying as people that think they know more than they do. Here's a wee pic of the ankle I destroyed for your viewing pleasure. Yep...it hurt a lot more than any broken wrist you're likely to get. Especially when I stood on it.

248410

and you were doing so well trolling sissy or 5150 or whatever his name is untill now:facepalm:

[Coolz]

Anyone remember the speedway rider Nigel Boocock who rode at Western Springs back in the seventies?Legend has it that he broke his ankle so to compete in the next race he tied a rope around his boot and attatched the other end to his knee to stop his foot flopping around and digging in on the corners!

[Big Dave]

Would you like a medal for that? :violin:

I love it when people ask me that.

[5150]

I love it when people ask me that.

Whats your comeback? :corn::scratch:

[Crasherfromwayback]

to be fair though, the bikes today have much much better safety shit, :

For sure! But I think I've seen nearly as many highsides in the 800cc era as I did in the 500cc era.

[MDR2]

That's how weak your argument is... you're dissing a guy because he was born after another guy :facepalm:

Number 34 was hard alright, he was just a little short on talent. Mind you it's a good thing he was born when he was, a few years later and he wouldn't have even had a look in. Win or bin just didn't stand up any more.

Apparently it get's you a factory ride still.

Simoncelli?

[Crasherfromwayback]

Apparently it get's you a factory ride still.

Simoncelli?

If that guy stays in one piece long enough...he may win races!

[Big Dave]

Whats your comeback? :corn::scratch:

:cool:

<img src="http://homepage.mac.com/david_cohen_design/.public/10pics2/medall.jpg">

[MDR2]

If that guy stays in one piece long enough...he may win races!

I sure hope so, I see either him or Marquez taking Dani's spot in the near future. Anywho, i'm leading off topic, sorry.

[imdying]

Apparently it get's you a factory ride still.

Simoncelli?Dunno, too early to judge. Some people fall off quite a bit adjusting to the motogp bikes and then seem fine. Some people just fall off a lot and get sacked. He seems to have his balls chopped off a bit as of late. I dare say DORNA will learn what makes good racing about the time they've totally fucked it.

[5150]

:cool:

<img src="http://homepage.mac.com/david_cohen_design/.public/10pics2/medall.jpg">

Hehe, Love it :2thumbsup

[Crasherfromwayback]

Todays racers,though highly skilled,seem to lack the character of the riders from days of old.Men like Mick Doohan who rode with a leg so busted up they had to fit a thumb operated rear brake.....

To be honest mate...any cunt that gets to that level of racing is a hard bastard. They've all had literally hundreds of biffs to get that far, and every single one of them would hurt. Lorenzo racing with both ankles broken a couple of years ago? De Puniet coming back from a badly broken leg in 28days? Rossi the same thing? Bautista snapping the top of his femur off? Stoner rode most of '09' I think it was with a scaphoid that was still broken...the list goes on and on.

They're all tough cunts...even to be riding those nasty things.

[Crasherfromwayback]

:cool:



Best answer I've yet seen! Congrats too!!!

[Dodgy_Matt]

A guy I know named Bruce who raced at the IOM 3-4 weeks after having major surgery to have cancer removed from his spine... they removed his stomach to get to it... :love:

[willytheekid]

:cool:



Nice...but I got that beat dave

Check this puppy out! :nya:

:killingme.....sorry BD...couldn't resist :innocent:

[Coolz]

To be honest mate...any cunt that gets to that level of racing is a hard bastard. They've all had literally hundreds of biffs to get that far, and every single one of them would hurt. Lorenzo racing with both ankles broken a couple of years ago? De Puniet coming back from a badly broken leg in 28days? Rossi the same thing? Bautista snapping the top of his femur off? Stoner rode most of '09' I think it was with a scaphoid that was still broken...the list goes on and on.

They're all tough cunts...even to be riding those nasty things.
Great reply.Cant really argue with or add anything to that.Oh well,back to the threads about fat beneficiaries smoking weed and watching Coronation Street.

[Big Dave]

:-)

You can get one from the 'Hall of Mirrors' on Manly pier too.

[rachprice]

Aren't they going a lot faster now too?

You cant directly compare the ages because nothing is the same, so you really cant say one is harder than the other...

I think its the media that has us thinking that the motogp paddock is like a bitchy girly high school (which is probably is). I'm sure everything that happens now, happened then. They just didn't have the media coverage that they do now.
Dorna also restricts the riders in what they say and do a hell of a lot more than they used to

[ellipsis]

...and now for something completely different..back on topic anyway..Barry Sheene is one man who seldom raced a lot of his later years without a bone or two or six or ten broken...but all of those guys and a lot of us too would have been out their doing their thing with broked bones...its what we do isn't it...fucken know I have, too many times...

[nosebleed]

This thread needs a DB.
After reading his tales of derring-do (thanks Smifffy) all I can say is, this guys well 'ard.

[slowpoke]

Pretty much imposssible to compare era's, but human nature is human nature and there are always folks around who will push the limits. The fact is today you simply aren't allowed to do what they did in the past. I have no doubt that if a championship was on the line, last race of the season, most of the current crop would do exactly what they did back in the day.

But the hard bastards for me are the guys from sort of post-war through to the early 70's who raced on by now pretty fast bikes at places like original Nurburgring, Spa etc for virtually nothing, lucky even to get a pathetic appearance fee, living in the back of a van with the bike they maintained themselves. Forget "movie stars" like Sheene and co who swanned about in their Roll's Royce, or flew to meetings, and had money and women by the bucket load. Nup, it's the poor bastards who made up the rest of the grid, suffered the same injuries, put up with a lot more hardship, and with no Count Agusta or factory support in the backround that were tough as teak.

[flyingcrocodile46]

Oh Casey Stoner for sure... That guy is so hard!

Whoa! Although he's an exceptionally talented rider I am not sure I've seen him doing anything that would warrant such high praise with regard to toughness. Are you sure you aren't getting confused with how he makes you feel?

Just asking:msn-wink:

[paturoa]

Basically while competing for his 5th world championship, he had a big off and had to have his spleen surgically removed.

Less than 4 weeks later he enters the Spanish round and was leading at the end of day 1.

Feck!

[Crasherfromwayback]

Basically while competing for his 5th world championship, he had a big off and had to have his spleen surgically removed.

Less than 4 weeks later he enters the Spanish round and was leading at the end of day 1.

Feck!

He's a very tough cunt. I flatted with him for two years in Brisbane...and have seen first hand he handles pain well!

[paturoa]

He's a very tough cunt. I flatted with him for two years in Brisbane...and have seen first hand he handles pain well!

How did you hurt him?

[Crasherfromwayback]

How did you hurt him?

Made him drink Steinlager at the same rate I do.

[paturoa]

Made him drink Steinlager at the same rate I do.

Phew - I was worried that you were too big for him!

[misterO]

Evel Knievel once shot down a German fighter plane with his finger by pointing and yelling BANG! Oh, wait- or was that Chuck Norris?

[Crasherfromwayback]

Phew - I was worried that you were too big for him!

Hahaha...not likely. I dared the fucker to swim across Breakfast Creek one night for $20.00 when he'd run out of money. It was low tide. He stripped down to his gruts and strutted down the concrete embankment. When he hit the high tide slime, he went arse over kite and slid on his arse all the way down the bank into the creek.

The barnicles and sharp concrete cut fuck out of his back, hands and arse cheeks. When he got to the other side, it was so slippery, the fucker couldn't get up the bank, and he shredded his feet and hands some more trying. By the time we snapped a branch off a nearby tree to pull him out, we had quite an audience.

He was covered in stinky river slime, and bleeding all over quite badly. We all gave him our $20.00 notes each, and smuggled him into a nearby bar to get cleaned up. He came out ten minutes later, but had already bled through his white shirt real bad!

I lent him my long sleeved black tee shirt, and when he came out after changing into that, we all demanded a beer asit was now well past his shout. He did the famous 'money haka'. He then looked really worried. When asked why...it's because he'd flushed his blood soaked shirt down the loo. With the $80.00 still in the pocket.

:bye:

[Edbear]

These comparing riders from diff era's are always interesting,but ultimately futile.

Willytheekid put up a great arguement for Hailwood but then another arguement would be MV had no real competition back then.(his Isle Of Man record speaks otherwise tho so no arguement from me there)

Schwantz was the man but the Suzuki was a dog at most tracks and only he could ride it at 10/10ths (sound familiar)

Another thing to take into account re. era's are what the bikes were like to ride.
Todays 800's must be complete pussycats to ride compared to the 500 screamers.
Another is the race circuits themselves...back in the day doing 150+mph beside barriers and over cobblestones/railway crossings were accepted.

So who's the hardest? taking all the above into account...Kenny Roberts Snr.The man won a championship with a broken back.

That makes me a genuine wuss! :bye:

[ellipsis]

...yeah Barry Sheene must have been a pussy for being flash...if you disregard, 5 broken toes, 3 broken ankles, 3 broken legs, 1 broken femur, 1 broken heel, 12 broken vertebrae, 9 broken ribs, 1 split kidney, 7 broken collarbones, 1 broken arm, 5 broken wrists, 4 metacarpal breaks, 4 broken knuckles, 4 broken fingers and an amputated finger...and im not sure if that is the whole tally...

[MDR2]

Dunno, too early to judge. Some people fall off quite a bit adjusting to the motogp bikes and then seem fine. Some people just fall off a lot and get sacked. He seems to have his balls chopped off a bit as of late. I dare say DORNA will learn what makes good racing about the time they've totally fucked it.

And now they have their fingers in the world super bike pie too.

[XP@]

The Hard
Anyone who has completed a Rusty Nuts ride

The Harder
Anyone who has completed more than one Rusty Nuts ride

The Hardest
Paris Dakar riders - they ride fast, hard and long across the dunes in insane temparatures.

[NordieBoy]

...yeah Barry Sheene must have been a pussy for being flash...if you disregard, 5 broken toes, 3 broken ankles, 3 broken legs, 1 broken femur, 1 broken heel, 12 broken vertebrae, 9 broken ribs, 1 split kidney, 7 broken collarbones, 1 broken arm, 5 broken wrists, 4 metacarpal breaks, 4 broken knuckles, 4 broken fingers and an amputated finger...and im not sure if that is the whole tally...

Sounds like an advanced riding course wouldn't have gone amiss.