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mashman
12th October 2011, 14:07
wonder how long it will last (http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/5768261/Occupy-Wellington-week-long-protest-planned)

And BaceFook info page (https://www.facebook.com/pages/Occupy-Wellington-Nz/253279161382607?sk=info)

Think I may well have to pop along :)

bogan
12th October 2011, 14:12
Neat!

Be interesting to see the various political parties opinions of it.

gwigs
12th October 2011, 14:30
I,d be there too if it were a bit closer....and big ups to the people protesting on wall st....
Its about time that the greedy and corrupt got pushed into the spotlight....
Power to the people...:woohoo:

MisterD
12th October 2011, 15:36
Meh, if it rains, they'll get three people and a dog on a string.

-Edit-

There's going to be one in Auckland as well, you can go and associate with the likes of Carolan, Bradford and Minto and try marching up Queen Street through a few '000 pissed rugby fans.

MisterD
12th October 2011, 15:40
Hey mashie, I've just noticed the thread title - do you got a time machine?

Maha
12th October 2011, 15:49
do you got

:facepalm:......:corn:

gwigs
12th October 2011, 15:54
You mean this isnt 2001?...fuck it.. back to the Tardis..mmm Note to self ..must check gauges..

Big Dave
12th October 2011, 16:01
:facepalm:......:corn:

Yeah - it's 'do you gots a'...

<img src="http://homepage.mac.com/david_cohen_design/.public/10pics2/cm.jpg">

Maha
12th October 2011, 16:04
....O I C...its street talk?

mashman
12th October 2011, 16:11
You mean this isnt 2001?...fuck it.. back to the Tardis..mmm Note to self ..must check gauges..

heh, I typed that a few times and still got it wrong :facepalm:

It's hardly surprising given that All But Two FTSE 100 Firms 'Avoid Paying Tax' (http://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/All-But-Two-FTSE-100-Firms-skynews-2665262806.html?x=0) and we end up in a situation where Jobless Figures Set To Deepen Economic Gloom (http://uk.news.yahoo.com/jobless-figures-set-deepen-economic-gloom-232815815.html), that really make sense... aye and they put their "profit" to work :blink: the govt have a fuck load to answer for, after all, they set the taxation "laws"... albeit after taking advice :shit:... from where? hmmmm, now let me think :weird:... and the dole bludgers are society's rapists :blink:

A Vote National is Vote for Business :killingme

mashman
12th October 2011, 16:14
Meh, if it rains, they'll get three people and a dog on a string.


Hang on, that'll be me, the three kids and the Wife on a string :shifty:


Hey mashie, I've just noticed the thread title - do you got a time machine?

heh, shhhhhhhh, don't tell anyone

gwigs
12th October 2011, 16:21
heh, I typed that a few times and still got it wrong :facepalm:

It's hardly surprising given that All But Two FTSE 100 Firms 'Avoid Paying Tax' (http://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/All-But-Two-FTSE-100-Firms-skynews-2665262806.html?x=0) and we end up in a situation where Jobless Figures Set To Deepen Economic Gloom (http://uk.news.yahoo.com/jobless-figures-set-deepen-economic-gloom-232815815.html), that really make sense... aye and they put their "profit" to work :blink: the govt have a fuck load to answer for, after all, they set the taxation "laws"... albeit after taking advice :shit:... from where? hmmmm, now let me think :weird:... and the dole bludgers are society's rapists :blink:

A Vote National is Vote for Business :killingme

The whole monetary system is flawed,its gonna crash sooner or later.,its all based on greed,profit and self gain.Just watched a movie zeitgeist addendum which shows how the corrupt system works..I can see now there are better ways for people to live...I,ve had enough of all the bullshit and propaganda we are fed by the powers that be.There needs to be a change, because 99% of the people should be in control not the 1% greedy.:mad:

mashman
12th October 2011, 16:30
The whole monetary system is flawed,its gonna crash sooner or later.,its all based on greed,profit and self gain.Just watched a movie zeitgeist addendum which shows how the corrupt system works..I can see now there are better ways for people to live...I,ve had enough of all the bullshit and propaganda we are fed by the powers that be.There needs to be a change, because 99% of the people should be in control not the 1% greedy.:mad:

I've watched one of the zeitgeist movies and although interesting and informative, there's nothing quite like figuring out for yourself eh... There is an alternative... just a shame that too many people seem to prefer the current madness... coz everyone else is jealous of what they've gotz :facepalm:, oh and lazy to not get their own :facepalm:

Big Dave
12th October 2011, 16:31
....O I C...its street talk?

Wait till Hitcher sees 'worlds'.

Big Dave
12th October 2011, 16:32
:-)

<img src="http://homepage.mac.com/david_cohen_design/.public/10pics2/umm.jpg">

mashman
12th October 2011, 16:35
:-)
that funny pic


hair Splitter

Big Dave
12th October 2011, 16:41
People's Judean Front?

gwigs
12th October 2011, 16:52
People's Judean Front?

No its The Peoples Front of Judea

Indiana_Jones
12th October 2011, 16:55
<img src="http://blog.openviewpartners.com/files/compendium/gordon_gekko_ultimate_gadget_geek_0.jpg">

Cock sucker!

-Indy

gwigs
12th October 2011, 16:55
No its The Peoples Front of Judea

Or is it The Judean Peoples Front ?

gwigs
12th October 2011, 16:56
Cock sucker!

-Indy

Yeah fancy playing a homo in a movie..

mashman
12th October 2011, 17:31
or the judeans popular peoples front... feck it


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gb_qHP7VaZE

Coolz
12th October 2011, 18:10
Im going to occupy a spot on the coastline...might take my fishing rod as well.

MIXONE
12th October 2011, 18:30
Im going to occupy a spot on the coastline...might take my fishing rod as well.

As long as it's not in the BOP...

Oakie
12th October 2011, 19:28
I'm going to occupy my dunny (but not for long). I'll have a sit down protest.

mashman
12th October 2011, 20:58
I'm going to occupy my dunny (but not for long). I'll have a shit down protest.

fixed for ya

Brett
13th October 2011, 11:48
It will largely be students, the unemployed (no prejudice here), the 'unproductive' that show up. Everyone will be at work earning and being productive so that many of the "occupy" protestors can be paid by us spend their day occupying.

Their FB page looks like they just want to protest about everything bad in the world. They do not even have some ideal or goal that they are trying to achieve. Typical.

mashman
13th October 2011, 12:04
It will largely be students, the unemployed (no prejudice here), the 'unproductive' that show up. Everyone will be at work earning and being productive so that many of the "occupy" protestors can be paid by us spend their day occupying.

Their FB page looks like they just want to protest about everything bad in the world. They do not even have some ideal or goal that they are trying to achieve. Typical.

heh... it starts on the weekend... after that, I'd rather the unemployed/students/anyone who isn't getting paid stayed until they figure out what they want... just like the guys in the US, there's no real goal as it's only a protest... which is a shame, because once they realise they're not making any real difference it'll go 1 of two ways. I'm hoping is isn't dispersing... but also hope that they figure out that they're protesting the wrong group of people, imho.

sgtp
13th October 2011, 13:22
the one and only wall street protester I have come across that is not an idiot is this guy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFZrNSa3b8g&feature=player_embedded

The rest are misguided fools that feel they are entitled to enjoy the fruits of the labor of others, like this idiot:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrPGoPFRUdc&feature=player_embedded

Or the protesters are clueless Hippies:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEq5w2-6X14&feature=player_embedded

Indiana_Jones
13th October 2011, 13:43
Lol that student wanting his uni paid for is classic

-Indy

Swoop
13th October 2011, 14:41
A Vote National is Vote for Business
Expanding on that statement's logic (and inverse propositions) would provide a lot of entertainment.

mashman
13th October 2011, 14:52
the one and only wall street protester I have come across that is not an idiot is this guy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFZrNSa3b8g&feature=player_embedded


As patronising as this may sound, it's not meant to be, he's almost there but really needs to think it through a little further. What happens if your state does something at odds with national law? Will your state be embargoed? How do you generate "wealth" for your state in that situation? For that matter, removing the 1:9 ratio of fiat money will bring on a recession, if that's what it could be called, that would absolutely anihilate the global economy and cause travesty on a scale that would be much worse than we currently have (think Africa, India etc...).

Gold is money, as is silver, after all they all have values that change given "economic" changes... as do cows and chickens (although a chicken is more valuable than a cow :shifty:) etc... It's that representation of value that's the problem... the currency is pretty much irrelevant.

If there is a finite amount of money in the world, how do you pay for the next generation without sending the current generation to the poor house? The more people there are, the more money you need, which unfortunately means plucking some more off of that invisible money tree. It simply doesn't work, can't work, never has worked and never will work without the generation of more money. (unless you use no exchange mechanism at all)


The rest are misguided fools that feel they are entitled to enjoy the fruits of the labor of others, like this idiot:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrPGoPFRUdc&feature=player_embedded


I agree with the student, his tuition should be free. Shame he doesn't really understand why... as the camera man says, he's just waving his christmas list around in the hope that he'll save a few bucks.


Or the protesters are clueless Hippies:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEq5w2-6X14&feature=player_embedded

:facepalm:

mashman
13th October 2011, 14:57
Expanding on that statement's logic (and inverse propositions) would provide a lot of entertainment.

go for it :Punk:

Swoop
13th October 2011, 19:00
A Vote National is Vote for Business
So, according to your logic, a vote for labour means a vote for unemployed doleblugers and massive handouts to parasites on the taxpayer?

mashman
13th October 2011, 19:02
So, according to your logic, a vote for labour means a vote for unemployed doleblugers and massive handouts to parasites on the taxpayer?

to a degree :yes:... more cover the masses at the cost of a few

jazfender
13th October 2011, 19:37
:-)

<img src="http://homepage.mac.com/david_cohen_design/.public/10pics2/umm.jpg">

Hey that's just a Nickelback concert.

Big Dave
15th October 2011, 04:08
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=46683

mashman
15th October 2011, 06:57
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=46683

lesbians...

Indiana_Jones
15th October 2011, 07:14
Anyone there yet? or do they need to get their fags and crips before they start?

-Indy

mashman
15th October 2011, 07:37
Anyone there yet? or do they need to get their fags and crips before they start?

-Indy

shhhhhh, we're still sleeping FFS... stole ma fags and crisps on the way home from the bottle store last night as the old lady I mugged didn't have enough on her to pay for all of it.

meteor
15th October 2011, 11:22
So... people with nothing to do are going to do nothing to protest that others with something to do are doing something?

Ah right, I get it now. :facepalm:

Fatt Max
15th October 2011, 11:50
lesbians...

Brilliant, where....??

mashman
15th October 2011, 18:52
So... people with nothing to do are going to do nothing to protest that others with something to do are doing something?

Ah right, I get it now. :facepalm:

funnily enough there were 2 unemployed people out of the 50(ish) that introduced themselves... most were students. Could be an interesting week or few

jonbuoy
17th October 2011, 18:17
Have to be careful blaming the 1% ersīby worldwide standards anyone earning $40,000 dollars is in the top 4% in the world. Funny how everyone was quiet about the unfairness of the system when the "capitalist pigs" were keeping everyone sweetened up with payouts.


http://www.globalrichlist.com/

jonbuoy
17th October 2011, 18:27
$60,000 NZD puts you in the 1% erībracket on a worldwide scale. Quite a few people on KB would be on a lot more than that.

bogan
17th October 2011, 18:37
$60,000 NZD puts you in the 1% erībracket on a worldwide scale. Quite a few people on KB would be on a lot more than that.

Can we lynch them?

As I understand it, the 99% aren't pissed off with the 1%'s gains, just the ill gotten gains with tax loopholes, and pressuring TPTB and corruption etc; which is fair enough.

Str8 Jacket
17th October 2011, 18:41
$60,000 NZD puts you in the 1% erībracket on a worldwide scale. Quite a few people on KB would be on a lot more than that.

Sadly many more are earning half or less than half of that.....

Indiana_Jones
17th October 2011, 18:48
Can we lynch them?

As I understand it, the 99% aren't pissed off with the 1%'s gains, just the ill gotten gains with tax loopholes, and pressuring TPTB and corruption etc; which is fair enough.

Are the same people pissed off that those who earn more also pay more tax, not dollar wise but % wise?

-Indy

Ocean1
17th October 2011, 19:32
Sadly many more are earning half or less than half of that.....

Which puts them in the top 10%.

I think it's perfectly natural to want everyone to play by the rules, and to organise the rules such that productive effort is the variable that controls a person's income.

Unfortunately it's also perfectly natural for people to feel hard done by without knowing a jot about those high earner's work ethics. Whether they've "earned" their income or not.

So by all means tweak the rules so they describe what's "fair", and persecute the ones that break the rules. Just make godamn sure there'll be enough incentive for the genuinely productive to do their thing, eh?

'Cause at the moment it's touch and go...

jazfender
17th October 2011, 19:38
http://www.businessinsider.com/what-wall-street-protesters-are-so-angry-about-2011-10?op=1

Str8 Jacket
17th October 2011, 19:49
Unfortunately it's also perfectly natural for people to feel hard done by without knowing a jot about those high earner's work ethics. Whether they've "earned" their income or not.


There's many a person that I personally know that work ten times harder and longer than some 'higher earning' workers that still only earn around $30,000-$35,000 for a genuine number of reasons...
It goes both ways. So of course I agree with you, but......

JimO
17th October 2011, 19:52
there is a group of unemployables in the octagon hope it fuckin snows and the cunts get hypothermia

Ocean1
17th October 2011, 20:07
There's many a person that I personally know that work ten times harder and longer than some 'higher earning' workers that still only earn around $30,000-$35,000 for a genuine number of reasons...
It goes both ways. So of course I agree with you, but......

Generalising is bad. But... <_<

Most of the reasonably high earners I know genuinely earn their income, they really do work far harder than average, and usually take more risks. That's not to say they all produce value in proportion to their income, a small sub-set of that group of high earners I consider produce less value than might normally be expected for their level of remuneration.

Almost exclusively that sub-set hold positions that are somewhat protected. They hold a monopoly through qualification, association or some other form of exclusivity. If you believe the aim of the game is to maximise the return on your daily effort you could argue that they made good career choice.

mashman
21st October 2011, 17:01
"The Council has been right on board with helping us make the Occupy camp a positive experience that gets a worthwhile message out without impinging on the public" says Benjamin, a volunteer who supports the Occupy movement. "And we really appreciate that the Police have been nothing but friendly". (http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/10654734/occupy-wellington-camp-attracts-prominent-guests/)