Do I need a bigger bike?

[nzspokes]

Just a random thought when rolling along the motorway to Bombay tonight. Do I really need a bigger cc bike? My little CBX250 goes along fine. 100 to 120 without to much worry. How much more power do I need?

I do need to change of the CBX mainly due to its physical size. Im sure it was designed around a 5 foot person. So would a bigger 250 keep me happy for years to come? Maybe a VTR250 or the Hyosung 250 version(Comet?). Im 5'8" and 100kg. Yes I know. Less pies needed.

Want to just blast around on it and do trips away like the upcoming Northland ride.

[Newbi]

Just a random thought when rolling along the motorway to Bombay tonight. Do I really need a bigger cc bike? My little CBX250 goes along fine. 100 to 120 without to much worry. How much more power do I need?

I do need to change of the CBX mainly due to its physical size. Im sure it was designed around a 5 foot person. So would a bigger 250 keep me happy for years to come? Maybe a VTR250 or the Hyosung 250 version(Comet?). Im 5'8" and 100kg. Yes I know. Less pies needed.

Want to just blast around on it and do trips away like the upcoming Northland ride.

It's funny you mention that, I was thinking the same thing to myself today, "will i want or need a bigger bike"? Of course I'm still 'very' new to this whole Motorbike riding scene, but I love my girl(bike) to bits. I guess time will tell. Still I can't believe that you ( a guy) doesn't want the biggest gruntiest bike available to him. You must be VERY secure of your own masculinity, hahaha "GO YOU":Punk:

[Bonez]

Hyobags are big person 250s with plus you can alter peg positions. Another one to consider is the GSX250. Of course there's a whole host the 4 cylinder ones-Hornet,Bandits et el.

[JATZ]

Just a random thought when rolling along the motorway to Bombay tonight. Do I really need a bigger cc bike? My little CBX250 goes along fine. 100 to 120 without to much worry. How much more power do I need?

I do need to change of the CBX mainly due to its physical size. Im sure it was designed around a 5 foot person. So would a bigger 250 keep me happy for years to come? Maybe a VTR250 or the Hyosung 250 version(Comet?). Im 5'8" and 100kg. Yes I know. Less pies needed.

Want to just blast around on it and do trips away like the upcoming Northland ride.

NEED..... no :no:

Want..... yes, eventually :yes:

FWIW I started my adv riding on a 650 then got a 750 'cause I thought I needed one, Now my ride of choice is a 350 :mellow:, slowerer and less comfortable, but cheaper to run and far easier to pick up when it falls over which it does now and again :blink:

[nzspokes]

It's funny you mention that, I was thinking the same thing to myself today, "will i want or need a bigger bike"? Of course I'm still 'very' new to this whole Motorbike riding scene, but I love my girl(bike) to bits. I guess time will tell. Still I can't believe that you ( a guy) doesn't want the biggest gruntiest bike available to him. You must be VERY secure of your own masculinity, hahaha "GO YOU":Punk:

Well I went out yesterday for the first time on my trail bike. I went nuts on it. And had a stack of fun. So that can my main man toy. :Punk:

[nzspokes]

Hyobags are big person 250s with plus you can alter peg positions. Another one to consider is the GSX250. Of course there's a whole host the 4 cylinder ones-Hornet,Bandits et el.

Would rather the v-twin I think. Just dont like reving the nuts off a motor.

[tigertim20]

have you ridden bigger bikes at all?

[EJK]

Get a Hayabusa.

[nzspokes]

have you ridden bigger bikes at all?

No. I happy with the power I have, just dont want to be cramped up on a small bike.

Have wondered what a Hyo GT250r would be like with a GT250 top clamp and bars on.

[tigertim20]

if you are loking at a new bike, Id suggest at least trying some out, even if just to seek vindication for your assertion that 250cc is enough for you. You might find that a few extra cc does actually offer you some benefits that you hadnt thought of. sometimes you ride a bike you have no interest in, and it really surprises you

[flyingcrocodile46]

No. I happy with the power I have, just dont want to be cramped up on a small bike..

Sounds like you need a Harley:yes:

[BigAl]

You need to try a bigger bike, as they say " absolute power corrupts":shifty:

[DrunkenMistake]

No. I happy with the power I have, just dont want to be cramped up on a small bike.

Have wondered what a Hyo GT250r would be like with a GT250 top clamp and bars on.

Dude
I had a CBR 250R, Raped it like a Pedo fresh out of jail,
had it for 6 months, went looking for a bigger bike, Rode a VFR 400, an 88 I think, doesnt matter,
about 2 weeks later I got the VFR 400 NC30, and sold the 250, once that bigger bike is in your veins, youll never shake it,
Im now on a Hyosack GT650R, I kinda miss the V4, the Vtwin doesnt feel like it wants to Rip you off the seat and kill you at any possible chance, but that aside, I not only have the motorbike itch, I have the power bug.

Need a bigger bike - No.
Want a bigger bike - Yes.
Get a bigger bike, Need an even bigger bike - Fuck yes. :shifty:

[nzspokes]

Hmmm, GT250r Hyo with GT250 bars, http://www.haileyan.net/?p=72

Can be done.

[nzspokes]

Dude
I had a CBR 250R, Raped it like a Pedo fresh out of jail,
had it for 6 months, went looking for a bigger bike, Rode a VFR 400, an 88 I think, doesnt matter,
about 2 weeks later I got the VFR 400 NC30, and sold the 250, once that bigger bike is in your veins, youll never shake it,
Im now on a Hyosack GT650R, I kinda miss the V4, the Vtwin doesnt feel like it wants to Rip you off the seat and kill you at any possible chance, but that aside, I not only have the motorbike itch, I have the power bug.

Need a bigger bike - No.
Want a bigger bike - Yes.
Get a bigger bike, Need an even bigger bike - Fuck yes. :shifty:

Well I do get that. And this is just a random thought.

But I can power trip my brains out on a Trail bike. 50kph on a dirt bike is huge fun. And only just starting into it.

[nathanwhite]

Have wondered what a Hyo GT250r would be like with a GT250 top clamp and bars on.

If you can wait that long, talk to styfmyster1. When he gets his new hyo he'll be getting that done.

[Shadows]

My 2c is that I reckon 250cc is too low a capacity for the open road. Headwinds become troublesome and overtaking can become dangerous without the extra poke a larger bike has on tap if and when you need it.

[YellowDog]

Whatever bike you get, you can easilty get used to the power after a short while and then want to go bigger again. Just like breast implants really :yes:

If you're 250 pulls you and the pies up hills and is not slowed too much by the wind, then you don't really need to change. The handling is more important than the power and they generally go hand in hand.

600cc is about as small as I woulod go, though I was very content on my RD400 many years ago; 'cos it was a great handling bike :yes:.

[reggie1198]

Spokes,

The biggest problem with having a shed load of grunt at your control is, IMO, having no self control, absolute power corrupts, and the popo just don't seem to understand.
It's like being an addict or something.

C U in November

[The Pastor]

Just a random thought when rolling along the motorway to Bombay tonight. Do I really need a bigger cc bike? My little CBX250 goes along fine. 100 to 120 without to much worry. How much more power do I need?

I do need to change of the CBX mainly due to its physical size. Im sure it was designed around a 5 foot person. So would a bigger 250 keep me happy for years to come? Maybe a VTR250 or the Hyosung 250 version(Comet?). Im 5'8" and 100kg. Yes I know. Less pies needed.

Want to just blast around on it and do trips away like the upcoming Northland ride.

yes .

[The Pastor]

My 2c is that I reckon 250cc is too low a capacity for the open road. Headwinds become troublesome and overtaking can become dangerous without the extra poke a larger bike has on tap if and when you need it.

a cbr250rr can do the best part of 200km/hr. what chu know about 250's?

[The Pastor]

Spokes,

The biggest problem with having a shed load of grunt at your control is, IMO, having no self control, absolute power corrupts, and the popo just don't seem to understand.
It's like being an addict or something.

C U in November

a bigger bike is better at getting away from the cops.

[The Pastor]

No. I happy with the power I have, just dont want to be cramped up on a small bike.

Have wondered what a Hyo GT250r would be like with a GT250 top clamp and bars on.

1. do not ride a big bike unless you have the funds to buy it. You will love it, and if u cant have a big bike due to funds, its like like gooing to a hooker but you can only afford a lap dance.

2. RE hyo's - Have you ever heard the term polishing turds?

[The Pastor]

It's funny you mention that, I was thinking the same thing to myself today, "will i want or need a bigger bike"? Of course I'm still 'very' new to this whole Motorbike riding scene, but I love my girl(bike) to bits. I guess time will tell. Still I can't believe that you ( a guy) doesn't want the biggest gruntiest bike available to him. You must be VERY secure of your own masculinity, hahaha "GO YOU":Punk:

Na girls can only ride on the back of big bikes, you should try a scooter.:love:

[superman]

After a year on the 250 many of the points already raised are well founded.

Wind is an absolute bitch, an oncoming truck can create quite the affect on a fully-faired 250.

Overtaking can be just fine, but it's not quite enough to make you feel like you can get yourself out of certain sticky situations. Kind of like my old 1.5L Corolla.

Fuel use is awesome, getting more than 23km/L is extremely cheap, and due to the thin form splitting is super easy.

What I really wish was that a greater range of 400cc bikes were available, the jump to a 600 seems quite large.

[jazfender]

My 2c is that I reckon 250cc is too low a capacity for the open road. Headwinds become troublesome and overtaking can become dangerous without the extra poke a larger bike has on tap if and when you need it.

This advice is only relevant if you overtake on blind corners - something you must only do on a R1 or gixxer thou. Sez in the road code.

Misjudging an overtake ain't the bike's fault.

[jazfender]

Overtaking can be just fine, but it's not quite enough to make you feel like you can get yourself out of certain sticky situations. Kind of like my old 1.5L Corolla.

I always wonder what kind of situations you people ramble on about that need a flick of the wrist to get out of.

Really.

[Renegade]

a mate was still chugging along on his 250 after having his full for ages totally content, i suggested a swap for a little bit as i was curious about his little suzy cruiser.

10km down the road on my 900 monster there he was slowing down and speeding up, slowing down and speeding up etc etc.

reckons he had no idea how the other half lived, 4 weeks later = 800cc bike in his shed.

Once ridden there is no going back pal.

[Grant`]

BIg thing i found from moving up the CC rating scale was that longer trips got a lot easier.

I was always fatigued and achey by the time I had done a couple of hundred k's on my 250 Hyosung, but once i had moved up to a bigger bike that went away and longer trips became a lot nicer.

[Maha]

Just a random thought when rolling along the motorway to Bombay tonight. Do I really need a bigger cc bike? My little CBX250 goes along fine. 100 to 120 without to much worry. How much more power do I need?

I do need to change of the CBX mainly due to its physical size. Im sure it was designed around a 5 foot person. So would a bigger 250 keep me happy for years to come? Maybe a VTR250 or the Hyosung 250 version(Comet?). Im 5'8" and 100kg. Yes I know. Less pies needed.

Want to just blast around on it and do trips away like the upcoming Northland ride.

Take the CB for a test ride on the 18th....back in three days bro...:Punk:

[LankyBastard]

Some really good points have been brought up, I've recently upgraded from a 250 ninja to a new zx6r, and I must say, even though the 250 was awesome, I won't be going back....

Long trips are so much easier, passing is effortless, the ride is smoother, you can take a pillion with ease (sort of). I also get my kicks off road, but rapid accelleration on the road is pretty special :shifty:

Bring on the ride to the cape, should be good fun!

[Gremlin]

Simple thing is, you haven't ridden bigger bikes yet. It's kind of like making a decision on two products, when you only know one. Naturally, you take the one you know.

That all said, she's a long slide down the rabbit hole when you start riding bigger bikes. They're more expensive to run, certainly make longer trips easier (you said you don't like revving bikes, well, the bigger the bike, generally speaking, the more the torque).

Some stay on 250s after their full, but they're definitely in the minority, but who cares if that's what they want?

I've never dropped capacity when changing bikes, and I'm on my 5th bike, 1170cc. Best yet :love:

[rossirep]

of course you want/need a bigger bike.

have you riden many bigger biker..? why would you want to stay on a crap boring lil 250 if you could get something bigger and more exciting and fun to ride..??

sure 250's are cheap to run. (reg, insurance, rubber) and all that jazz, but thats all they got going for them..

[Newbi]

Na girls can only ride on the back of big bikes, you should try a scooter.:love:

Hahahaha, well I hope you've got a BIG bike then, I can't possibly ride a scooter to the cape, so I guess I'm on with you.:Punk:

[Tigadee]

I do need to change of the CBX mainly due to its physical size. Im sure it was designed around a 5 foot person. So would a bigger 250 keep me happy for years to come? Im 5'8" and 100kg. Yes I know. Less pies needed.

NZspokes - That's an interesting point. I'm 6' 1" myself and 110kgs, so I know how you feel.

I'd wondered the same thing myself, as I think I feel the wind more on my little Scorpio than if it was a faired model or just a physically bigger/heavier bike. Let's face it, we've got more area to offer wind resistance than a slimmer rider!

I've gotten used to the bike's behaviour with wind or just at speed, but I do feel the pull of the wind on my body and head still. A faired bike will offer deflect wind away from the rider, correct?

[superman]

I always wonder what kind of situations you people ramble on about that need a flick of the wrist to get out of.

Really.

Alright say you're overtaking someone, and as soon as you're next to them they gun it and there is a car 150m in the oncoming lane in front.

In that situation at the moment I'd had to slam on my brakes, hope the car isn't a dick and do the same thing and slide in behind him again knowing that I'll have to be behind someone who's totally happy to try and kill me.

On the motorway when splitting, sudden lane changers that don't blind spot check a flick would be good to get in front of them asap.

On the motorway a truck decides to begin changing lanes and hasn't seen you, you're going to get squashed into the median barrier. Either brake really hard, risk a rear end or accelerate out in front.

As said though, you can make sure you don't get into those situations in the first place, don't overtake boy racer cars, don't sit next to trucks on the motorway etc.

But just incase all of a sudden you ended up in a situation like that without realising... Or just want to get to 100 faster than 7 seconds. :innocent:

[sleemanj]

250s are great.

People say all the time to newbies that they will get rid of their 250 as soon as they get their full blah blah blah, bollox I say, nothing wrong with a (good) 250 as a general purpose riding machine.

Cheaper. Just as capable of losing your licence. Cheaper. Smaller. Cheaper. Lighter. Cheaper. Plenty fun enough to make you happy. Cheaper. Easier to handle around town in tight traffic. Cheaper.... did I mention cheaper already?

I have ridden and own larger, my daily ride is still a VTZ 250.

Big bikes, are just that, big. Big is not always a good thing.

[jazfender]

Alright say you're overtaking someone, and as soon as you're next to them they gun it and there is a car 150m in the oncoming lane in front.

In that situation at the moment I'd had to slam on my brakes, hope the car isn't a dick and do the same thing and slide in behind him again knowing that I'll have to be behind someone who's totally happy to try and kill me.

It's still 'safer' to let ego-boy have his position than to try and drag him while an oncoming car approaches. All the extra power in that scenario does is turn you into ego-boy.



On the motorway when splitting, sudden lane changers that don't blind spot check a flick would be good to get in front of them asap.

I would contest that braking would be a quicker reaction and get you out of trouble faster. Also horn. Lots of horn.



On the motorway a truck decides to begin changing lanes and hasn't seen you, you're going to get squashed into the median barrier. Either brake really hard, risk a rear end or accelerate out in front.

Again, horn muthafuckaaa or brake. Sorry, these scenarios barely justify it.


Or just want to get to 100 faster than 7 seconds. :innocent:

The real reason at last!

[HEMA]

I started out on a Suzuki GN, rode various bikes through the years including a FJR1300 (which I loved), now riding a big cruiser with saddlebags as a daily commuter, and guess what: I'm looking for a 250 for commuting instead. I'll keep the cruiser for long rides and touring with my wife though. I'm about the same size as you (but a bit taller and fatter).
Find a bike thats comfortable, but also think about how you'll mostly be using the bike. If its for long trips with luggage (and maybe a passenger) you certainly need something bigger.
If its mostly short commutes keep the 250, you'll save heaps!

[rossirep]

a cbr250rr can do the best part of 200km/hr. what chu know about 250's?

200kph on your lil cbr..? i think your dreaming buddy.. and if it did do it, im guessing it would take all day to get there and if you touched the breaks at all you would have to start ya run all over again.. lol,

[Tigadee]

Hmmmm, would a bigger/heavier bike also be less likely to get tipped over by strong wind?

[Shadows]

This advice is only relevant if you overtake on blind corners - something you must only do on a R1 or gixxer thou. Sez in the road code.

Misjudging an overtake ain't the bike's fault.

What about the fuckwit who speeds up when you pull out to pass, or when the gap in the queue you were heading for closes up and you have to either carry on or brake and hope you can slot in somewhere while looking over your shoulder, or the guy pulls out of a hidden driveway ahead etc. etc. etc.

Or the simple misjudged overtake. If you were to do so for whatever reason would you not rather have the poke at your disposal to get yourself out of trouble, or not?

[The Pastor]

200kph on your lil cbr..? i think your dreaming buddy.. and if it did do it, im guessing it would take all day to get there and if you touched the breaks at all you would have to start ya run all over again.. lol,

Not really, takes about 6 seconds to get to 100, about and 20 to top it out.

I know its not actually 200, but thats what the speedo says. (prob closer to 180)

If mine was still on the road, in stock form, i'd give you a race around the coro any day of the week, in any weather conditions.

[DrunkenMistake]

Not really, takes about 6 seconds to get to 100, about and 20 to top it out.

I know its not actually 200, but thats what the speedo says. (prob closer to 180)

If mine was still on the road, in stock form, i'd give you a race around the coro any day of the week, in any weather conditions.

My Ninja 250 will waste all you guys,
its the fastest in the country! I brought it off a guy on KB.
:shifty:

[Padmei]

Bigger bikes do have a good feeling of 'substance'. Try a shaft drive model -smoooth

[The Pastor]

My Ninja 250 will waste all you guys,
its the fastest in the country! I brought it off a guy on KB.
:shifty:

pretty sure my lard arse on a push bike could smoke ur hyobag anyday.

[MikeD400]

Everyones saying cheaper cheaper cheaper, well i feel i have a very desirable 250cc bike at the mo and its fackin terrible on gas my FZR400 got about an extra 150k's per tank and only had an extra liter on my 250's tank, and from what ive read and heard about 9/10 600cc bikes with 4 times the power of my 250 get alot better milage...

I love my 250 but in all seriousness... Its just not enough and I cant wait to upgrade to atleast a 600cc.

Ps. No one likes sitting their little 250 on 16thousand RPM just to have enough pull up a hill in a head wind to overtake a truck doing 100 on the motorway.

[jazfender]

Ps. No one likes sitting their little 250 on 16thousand RPM just to have enough pull up a hill in a head wind to overtake a truck doing 100 on the motorway.

Drop a couple gears (and cylinders) and you'll be fine mate.

[MikeD400]

Drop a couple gears (and cylinders) and you'll be fine mate.

Useful comments are us!

Righto mate ill keep that in mind next time i purchase a 250... lol

[Shadows]

a cbr250rr can do the best part of 200km/hr. what chu know about 250's?

Plenty.
Dude, we're talking about a fellah of adult proportions looking at buying a real world VTR or a Hyosung, he's obviously not some 55kg kid keen on wringing the living shit out of a race rep hand grenade, so your argument is moot.
But seeing as you brought it up, yes some 250s can "do" a decent speed. Eventually. Wind anything up for long enough with the right gearing and it will go reasonably fast at some point in the future. Look at what Burt Munro managed to achieve with what he had to work with. I bet his bike would have been shithouse for overtaking too.
To resort to a cliche and only because it is so relevant to real world riding, there is no replacement for displacement.

[ducatilover]

I'd rather ride my 600 than any 250. I'm not worried about ultimate corner speed, which doesn't even happen in the real world.
Heck, I'd rather have an RF900 than my tiny little 600.
250's are fun, I spent 3 and 1/2 years on just one of mine, covered 130,000km on it. Would I do it again? Fuck no. The 600 isn't as good on gas, but it's better to ride in every respect.

Plus, I can fall off it real well :innocent:

[DrunkenMistake]

pretty sure my lard arse on a push bike could smoke ur hyobag anyday.

Good for you :)
I would join in with your dick swinging, but clearly my post was a piss take.

[tigertim20]

Not really, takes about 6 seconds to get to 100, about and 20 to top it out.

I know its not actually 200, but thats what the speedo says. (prob closer to 180)

If mine was still on the road, in stock form, i'd give you a race around the coro any day of the week, in any weather conditions.
reality wise its probably closer to 160 right before it explodes, and from what ive seen on KB, I wouldnt race you, not for fear of losing mind. - It would just be embarassing when I piss myself from all that laughing

My Ninja 250 will waste all you guys,
its the fastest in the country! I brought it off a guy on KB.
:shifty:
does it do 250k, and keep up with litrebikes? hahah!

I'd rather ride my 600 than any 250. I'm not worried about ultimate corner speed, which doesn't even happen in the real world.
Heck, I'd rather have an RF900 than my tiny little 600.
250's are fun, I spent 3 and 1/2 years on just one of mine, covered 130,000km on it. Would I do it again? Fuck no. The 600 isn't as good on gas, but it's better to ride in every respect.

Plus, I can fall off it real well :innocent:

haha. yes more cc's just does do it better. easier to ride, they are less stressed at any speed compared to smaller bikes in the same place, long, steep hills arent as bad, they tend to be physically larger and thus more comfortable, they are more likely to have suspension that is more adjustable allowing for a better ride, youll probably get better milage with late model bigger cc's. and when you take a fat chick home cos you're drunk and desperate, you can still do the speed limit

[jazfender]

haha. yes more cc's just does do it better. easier to ride, they are less stressed at any speed compared to smaller bikes in the same place, long, steep hills arent as bad, they tend to be physically larger and thus more comfortable, they are more likely to have suspension that is more adjustable allowing for a better ride, youll probably get better milage with late model bigger cc's. and when you take a fat chick home cos you're drunk and desperate, you can still do the speed limit

What you need:

248818

[ducatilover]

when you take a fat chick home cos you're drunk and desperate, you can still do the speed limit

This.

This is awesome.

[tigertim20]

What you need:

248818

what I NEED is a bottle of whisley and a couple of sluts.
what I want is more bikes.

cars dont even make the list!:facepalm:

[jazfender]

what I NEED is a bottle of whisley and a couple of sluts.
what I want is more bikes.

cars dont even make the list!:facepalm:

just jokin bro.

[rossirep]

Not really, takes about 6 seconds to get to 100, about and 20 to top it out.

I know its not actually 200, but thats what the speedo says. (prob closer to 180)

If mine was still on the road, in stock form, i'd give you a race around the coro any day of the week, in any weather conditions.

funny wee man on his lil 250.. if you get your kicks out of "blasting" around on a cbr250r then your more of a idiot than i thought.. so by the time your hitting 100kph, iv hit 200kph and you wanna race me..?? good luck with that, on ya 250.. lol, and i like how you put" if mine was still on the road, in stock form" like you have turned it into a mighty race bike.. hahahahahahaha

[DrunkenMistake]

funny wee man on his lil 250.. if you get your kicks out of "blasting" around on a cbr250r then your more of a idiot than i thought.. so by the time your hitting 100kph, iv hit 200kph and you wanna race me..?? good luck with that, on ya 250.. lol, and i like how you put" if mine was still on the road, in stock form" like you have turned it into a mighty race bike.. hahahahahahaha

I miss my MC19,
Used to Rape the shit out of it,
one of the funnest bikes I have owned.

[ducatilover]

Come on gents, let's compare dicks!!!!!! :facepalm:

How's this, my bike's quick and I'm not.

[The Pastor]

funny wee man on his lil 250.. if you get your kicks out of "blasting" around on a cbr250r then your more of a idiot than i thought.. so by the time your hitting 100kph, iv hit 200kph and you wanna race me..?? good luck with that, on ya 250.. lol, and i like how you put" if mine was still on the road, in stock form" like you have turned it into a mighty race bike.. hahahahahahaha

Turned it into a crusier actually.

Mate by the time you've got to the corner I'll already be at the pub sinking down some cold ones. after a pie stop along the way.

[The Pastor]

Come on gents, let's compare dicks!!!!!! :facepalm:

How's this, my bike's quick and I'm not.

I thought you got banned from posting pics of your penis online untill you got a camera with more zoom..............

[stifmyster1]

Hey spokes. As nathanwhite said my hyo will have the high bar conversion. it completely changes the riding style. the biggest thing with the hyo is its consistent. have test ridden both the ninja and the cbr and the hyo destroys the ninja. its a bit of a tie with the cbr though. more down to personal preference.

The CBR needs to be revved. anything under 3-4k stalls if from a stand still. the only major upside is single cylinder so more economic and comfortable as. the cbr is a commuter bike in IMHO.

The hyosung GT250r is more for those who want the feel of a bigger bike but not the extra rego and fuel. The hyo 250 is almost identical in terms of dimensions to the 650.

There is a 650 at hyosung on barry's poit road with the high bar so if you want to see how it feels go there and talk to fergus. and in november you can take my for a cruze.

and to all those saying the hyo is shit. I have ridden the alternatives and found more issues on the others than on the hyosung.

[Shadows]

The CBR needs to be revved. anything under 3-4k stalls if from a stand still. the only major upside is single cylinder so more economic and comfortable as. the cbr is a commuter bike in IMHO.

You must be talking about the CBX. CBRs aren't singles.

[stifmyster1]

the new CBR is

[Flip]

Hmmmm, would a bigger/heavier bike also be less likely to get tipped over by strong wind?

Some of the worst bikes I have ridden in strong cross winds were a Triumph Trophy 1200 and a Honda Goldwing. I did a very tiring trip one day going through southland on a VFR400 when the young lady owner nicked my road king in a storm and did not want to give it back.

Bigger bikes are heavier, more powerful, they usually have better suspension, controls, brakes and lights. I however miss the adventures I had on my trusty old RD125.

[Shadows]

the new CBR is

I stand corrected

[Coolz]

When the rego went up I put my 800 on hold and reluctantly dragged my old 250 out of the shed. I took it for a blast up the winding coast road just to get the feel of it and came home with a huge grin. I had forgotten how much fun you could have chucking a light bike around. The other day I rode home from town and the bike died as I turned into my street. I had forgotten to turn the gastap on and had travelled nearly 5ks on the gas in the fuel bowls! I wouldnt take the 250 on a long trip on the main highway where I would prefer the power and weight of the larger bike. I guess it comes down to how and where you ride, horses for courses and all that. Having both is the perfect situation, pity one rider has to pay two acc levies.

[nzspokes]

Hey spokes. As nathanwhite said my hyo will have the high bar conversion. it completely changes the riding style. the biggest thing with the hyo is its consistent. have test ridden both the ninja and the cbr and the hyo destroys the ninja. its a bit of a tie with the cbr though. more down to personal preference.

The CBR needs to be revved. anything under 3-4k stalls if from a stand still. the only major upside is single cylinder so more economic and comfortable as. the cbr is a commuter bike in IMHO.

The hyosung GT250r is more for those who want the feel of a bigger bike but not the extra rego and fuel. The hyo 250 is almost identical in terms of dimensions to the 650.

There is a 650 at hyosung on barry's poit road with the high bar so if you want to see how it feels go there and talk to fergus. and in november you can take my for a cruze.

and to all those saying the hyo is shit. I have ridden the alternatives and found more issues on the others than on the hyosung.

Do they have to cut the screen and change cables to do it?

[stifmyster1]

They dont cut it. The replace the whole front fairing with a different windscreen as well as the whole top bar assembly is dismantled and rebuilt. Total cost of $700. takes them about 4-5 hours to do. In the end you have higher and straighter riding position while still being comfortable and in a sports bike position.

the mirrors also become useful. With out the high bar you can see shit cause there so close in. With high bar the mirrors move the the bars so there closer to you and stick out further. not much. but enough to see more.

Ill drop in and take some pics on my way home.

[nzspokes]

They dont cut it. The replace the whole front fairing with a different windscreen as well as the whole top bar assembly is dismantled and rebuilt. Total cost of $700. takes them about 4-5 hours to do. In the end you have higher and straighter riding position while still being comfortable and in a sports bike position.

the mirrors also become useful. With out the high bar you can see shit cause there so close in. With high bar the mirrors move the the bars so there closer to you and stick out further. not much. but enough to see more.

Ill drop in and take some pics on my way home.

$700, fark. they dont credit the cost of the parts coming off?

[stifmyster1]

The front fairing alone is probably $200. plus all the parts which they just rip out of a gt250. plus 4-5 hours labour at $75-$90/hour. Its actually Pretty cheap.

I doubt they credit the parts because not the kind of item that regulary needs replacing. if they do it wont be to the full value cause they cripple a GT in order to do the conversion.

But when you think about it. $700 to love the bike so much more is that bad.

[nzspokes]

The front fairing alone is probably $200. plus all the parts which they just rip out of a gt250. plus 4-5 hours labour at $75-$90/hour. Its actually Pretty cheap.

I doubt they credit the parts because not the kind of item that regulary needs replacing. if they do it wont be to the full value cause they cripple a GT in order to do the conversion.

But when you think about it. $700 to love the bike so much more is that bad.

Ok, I would like to see one done. I would be keeping the old parts though.

Then again your buying a comet with a fairing. Maybe just get a Comet and add a fairing?

[stifmyster1]

adding the fairing is more than ya think. On the GT the dash and all instumentals as well as the light are attached to the handles bars and forks. On the GTR there attached to the fairing. so its not just a simple attachment

[neels]

I'll agree with a couple of points made above, and ignore the rest.

I bought a bigger bike because I go touring 2 up with gear, was working the old 600 too hard when it was loaded up, and I can quite happily sit on it all day.

If I'm just heading out for a ride, I'm just as soon take my son's 250. It's great fun thrashing it around at 10,000rpm+ and not too much of an effort to keep up with bigger bikes, certainly wouldn't want to ride it all day though.

So really it depends on what you're going to be using it for.

[stifmyster1]

here is t the 650 with the upright handle bars. they will have it back instore in a few days.

http://www.hyosungmotorcycles.co.nz/BIKE-PACKAGES/Hyosung-GT650-S.html

[rossirep]

Turned it into a crusier actually.

Mate by the time you've got to the corner I'll already be at the pub sinking down some cold ones. after a pie stop along the way.

yeah man cause 250's are so fast.. thats why everyone races them.. oh hang on no they dont.. its called a lerners bike for a reason, they mite have been cool in 1990, but times have changed and they no longer cut the mustard.. at least dreams are free.. lol, enjoy ya pie..;-)

[ducatilover]

How's the bait today Rossirep? :rofl:

[DrunkenMistake]

yeah man cause 250's are so fast.. thats why everyone races them.. oh hang on no they dont.. its called a lerners bike for a reason, they mite have been cool in 1990, but times have changed and they no longer cut the mustard.. at least dreams are free.. lol, enjoy ya pie..;-)

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How's the bait today Rossirep? :rofl:

Lmao

[rossirep]

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Lmao

no bite here guys, im not even fishing.. just think its funny that some guys think they are super fast on lil 250's, i use to think i was super quick to in my dreams when i was a kid, now im all about the ride, not the race.. but 250cc vs 1000cc... really..?? and a cbr250 at that, not even a rgv, nsr, rg, ns, a boring old cbr.. hahaha,

[nzspokes]

no bite here guys, im not even fishing.. just think its funny that some guys think they are super fast on lil 250's, i use to think i was super quick to in my dreams when i was a kid, now im all about the ride, not the race.. but 250cc vs 1000cc... really..?? and a cbr250 at that, not even a rgv, nsr, rg, ns, a boring old cbr.. hahaha,

Maybe you need to re-read my OP. I dont want to race 1lt bikes. 120kph is fine for me.

[rossirep]

Maybe you need to re-read my OP. I dont want to race 1lt bikes. 120kph is fine for me.

maybe you need to work out who i was chatting about.. cause it wasnt you dude.. ;-)

[blue rider]

Just a random thought when rolling along the motorway to Bombay tonight. Do I really need a bigger cc bike? My little CBX250 goes along fine. 100 to 120 without to much worry. How much more power do I need?

I do need to change of the CBX mainly due to its physical size. Im sure it was designed around a 5 foot person. So would a bigger 250 keep me happy for years to come? Maybe a VTR250 or the Hyosung 250 version(Comet?). Im 5'8" and 100kg. Yes I know. Less pies needed.

Want to just blast around on it and do trips away like the upcoming Northland ride.



Of course we need bigger bikes....:shutup:

however......I get the CBX250 when you get a bigger bike, errr because I like the little thing :love:, and well i'd fit it

and pies are good for you...you are being to hard on yourself...!

[blue rider]

Hmmmm, would a bigger/heavier bike also be less likely to get tipped over by strong wind?

you worry to much, i am a fairly skinny chick (currently at my heaviest.....bout 60 kg - its the two pies a day diet, and no more smokes ), so me, the transformer and a full tank come to about 200 kg....sofar we have not been "blown over" while riding

and when its windy and the parking spot is not sheltered I tend to park elsewhere.

a scorpio is a somewhat plastic looking bike (its those graphics.....seriously), but much fun in the city, cheap as and easy to ride.....

give your bike another week :innocent:

[Tigadee]

and when its windy and the parking spot is not sheltered I tend to park elsewhere.

That's what I was asking about. Will a heavier bike avoid getting tipped over by wind when parked, for instance on the centre stand?


a scorpio is a somewhat plastic looking bike (its those graphics.....seriously), but much fun in the city, cheap as and easy to ride.....

I couldn't agree more on both counts. I hate those graphics stickers and it is very fun, quick and easy for the city [although on the motorway it's love-hate so far]...


give your bike another week :innocent:

Ummmm, before I get used to it or before I get rid of it and get something else? LOL!

[blue rider]

Ummmm, before I get used to it or before I get rid of it and get something else? LOL!


Well you know........

[nzspokes]

That's what I was asking about. Will a heavier bike avoid getting tipped over by wind when parked, for instance on the centre stand?



I couldn't agree more on both counts. I hate those graphics stickers and it is very fun, quick and easy for the city [although on the motorway it's love-hate so far]...



Ummmm, before I get used to it or before I get rid of it and get something else? LOL!

As I said, just ride it. Dont over think it. You dont have your 250 for long so use the time to learn. Coming to SASS tomorrow?

I will as long as project XR is going to plan.

[Tigadee]

:confused:Depends on the weather... Otherwise, next Wednesday.


Well you know........


You dont have your 250 for long so use the time to learn.

Hmmmm, what are you two implying...? :confused:

[nzspokes]

Depends on the weather... Otherwise, next Wednesday.

Weather is only an issue if bucketing down. Wind is not a worry. You will be in a group of riders. Its good fun and you will learn.

[Tigadee]

Will do my best to get there... :innocent:

[nzspokes]

Hmmmm, what are you two implying...? :confused:

Ummm , most dump them the minute they get there full?

[Tigadee]

Yeah, but a full [and restricted before that] means about a year, don't it? [Noob here, so what do I know...]

Sadly by the time I get my full, my Scorpio will be worth nothing because NZ will have adopted the LAMs programme this time next year. :facepalm:

[DrunkenMistake]

Yeah, but a full [and restricted before that] means about a year, don't it? [Noob here, so what do I know...]

Sadly by the time I get my full, my Scorpio will be worth nothing because NZ will have adopted the LAMs programme this time next year. :facepalm:

Lams wont devalue 250's
have a look at the LAMS list, there isnt really a huge list of bikes and not everyone wants a big bike off the bat.

[Tigadee]

http://www.tmr.qld.gov.au/~/media/6ac07415-e877-46ca-a81b-d75d1e397f28/lam_scheme_list.pdf
Seems long enough to me...

Rats! I was gonna use the devaluation as an excuse to buy a bigger bike now!:Oops:

[blue rider]

Yeah, but a full [and restricted before that] means about a year, don't it? [Noob here, so what do I know...]

Sadly by the time I get my full, my Scorpio will be worth nothing because NZ will have adopted the LAMs programme this time next year. :facepalm:

you will have fun enough with the little one and a year goes quickly (am I really saying this?). I was not too convinced about mine when i first got her, but I am really really having much fun with it now. Most likely because I actually getting to know what I do. Basic Handling Skills I am developing.

I actually am debating of keeping her, getting a garage and adding on to the herd.

One for monday, one for tuesday, and so on and so on.....and a yellow one for sundays.....:Punk:

As for value if you keep her in good order, you can re-sell her quite easily. A good learner bike is a good learner bike.

[Tigadee]

I was not too convinced about mine when i first got her, but I am really really having much fun with it now. Most likely because I actually getting to know what I do.

Oh, I like my Scorpio sofar, don't get me wrong. As it's my first bike, I have no frame of reference for disliking it anyway.


One for monday, one for tuesday, and so on and so on.....and a yellow one for sundays.....

Heh! Heh! Nice dream...


As for value if you keep her in good order, you can re-sell her quite easily. A good learner bike is a good learner bike.

Righty-ho... I shall keep her in good order, which she already is except for a tiny bit of rust on the side stand and scratches on the exhaust from previous owner.

[warewolf]

Need: no. Want: maybe.

Big bikes aren't the be-all and end-all of motorcycling. Riding a slow bike fast is a lot more fun than riding a fast bike slow. And smaller bikes are often much nicer around town as that's their design brief.

I know there are ppl that just want a big engine and top gear, and not have to think or act or plan ahead, just have the grunt to twist the throttle and go from any revs. I prefer to be engaged in my riding: use the gearbox, rev the fcuker, plan ahead to maintain apex speed; in other words actively RIDE the bike.

Yes, if you are 100kg then a 250 might not deliver such sparkling performance, so maybe something in the 400 or 600 class might be snappier and more comfortable, too. Remember your CBX250RS is a 25 year old single with even older design; a newer v-twin like the VTR would produce a bit more power.

But sounds to me like you are chasing improvements in ergonomics not power. I'm 5'7" and I found my '86 CBX250 (not the RS) to be roomy enough. Maybe moving the pegs or bars on the RS will sort you out, sometimes it doesn't take much.

[tigertim20]

Lams wont devalue 250's
have a look at the LAMS list, there isnt really a huge list of bikes and not everyone wants a big bike off the bat.
I dunno man, I reckon you can say goodbye to the value if screaming 250 il4's, why rape a thing to 20k rpm for a measly 40hp, when you can get a 650 with a cruisy 55hp, and a mountain of tourque at just 7k rpm?
It will take some time for the effects on the market to settle and become consistent, and the fact is that, with more variety of availabe bikes, the 400-650's will probably rise in value because their demand increases, because the constant flow of new riders will want them, as well as the fully licenced.

Need: no. Want: maybe.

Big bikes aren't the be-all and end-all of motorcycling. Riding a slow bike fast is a lot more fun than riding a fast bike slow. And smaller bikes are often much nicer around town as that's their design brief.

I know there are ppl that just want a big engine and top gear, and not have to think or act or plan ahead, just have the grunt to twist the throttle and go from any revs. I prefer to be engaged in my riding: use the gearbox, rev the fcuker, plan ahead to maintain apex speed; in other words actively RIDE the bike.

.
I see your point, but:
Ride the big bike fast too and its a different story . . .
and

when you ride a big bike like you do a small one, trust me, youll be engaged. that or dead, but youll die grinning!

[nzspokes]

Need: no. Want: maybe.

Big bikes aren't the be-all and end-all of motorcycling. Riding a slow bike fast is a lot more fun than riding a fast bike slow. And smaller bikes are often much nicer around town as that's their design brief.

I know there are ppl that just want a big engine and top gear, and not have to think or act or plan ahead, just have the grunt to twist the throttle and go from any revs. I prefer to be engaged in my riding: use the gearbox, rev the fcuker, plan ahead to maintain apex speed; in other words actively RIDE the bike.

Yes, if you are 100kg then a 250 might not deliver such sparkling performance, so maybe something in the 400 or 600 class might be snappier and more comfortable, too. Remember your CBX250RS is a 25 year old single with even older design; a newer v-twin like the VTR would produce a bit more power.

But sounds to me like you are chasing improvements in ergonomics not power. I'm 5'7" and I found my '86 CBX250 (not the RS) to be roomy enough. Maybe moving the pegs or bars on the RS will sort you out, sometimes it doesn't take much.

I would like to drop the pegs but nobody seems to do any for them.

[tigertim20]

I would like to drop the pegs but nobody seems to do any for them.

adaptor plates can be custom made cheaply.
as can risers.

[Tigadee]

Hey NZspokes. I came across this web site today, dunno if it's posted somewhere else on KB but it seems very useful for those who want to compare bikes relative to rider's height and [preferred] riding posture.

http://cycle-ergo.com/

I am now able cross quite a few off as potential upgrades thanks to this calculator and I think/hope it'll be helpful to you too...

[nzspokes]

Thats a cool site. Cheers

[MikeD400]

Hey NZspokes. I came across this web site today, dunno if it's posted somewhere else on KB but it seems very useful for those who want to compare bikes relative to rider's height and [preferred] riding posture.

http://cycle-ergo.com/

I am now able cross quite a few off as potential upgrades thanks to this calculator and I think/hope it'll be helpful to you too...

LMAO that website is fun! Choose a R1 and set it too

Your height: 8' 5
Inseam: 30"
Preferred arm straightness: 50%

That looks comfy!

[Fatt Max]

I am a big fat bastard on a Hyosung GV250. She is great at 100 and can cruise nicely at 120. Its physically a big bike and perfect for me.

I ride every day, commute mostly with a blat on the way home if the weather holds. She has taken me to Taupo and back no bother and we are going to Wellington in February and oop north in March.

Financially she costs next to bugger all to run, is great on gas (best part of 150 - 170kms on a full 14l tank) and I am now even servicing it myself.

Do I want a bigger bike? Physically no, engine size, well, not bothered to be honest.

If you can say that you love riding your bike then stick with it and enjoy. The end of the road will come soon enough for it so you may as well enjoy what you have. If money is no object, well, goes without saying but otherwise just have it.

Yes, it is not the gruntiest bike on the road the way I look at it, I dont need the grunt. I mean, what do I want more speed on the way to work, not as if I'm looking forward to getting there.

And 75% of the fun of any journey is the journey itself. We live in gods own, dont rush around it, take it easy and take it in.

[Tigadee]

I mean, what do I want more speed on the way to work, not as if I'm looking forward to getting there.

:lol: How true!


We live in gods own, dont rush around it, take it easy and take it in.

Amen, brother Max, amen!

[DrunkenMistake]

lmao that website is fun! Choose a r1 and set it too

your height: 8' 5
inseam: 30"
preferred arm straightness: 50%

that looks comfy!


lol!
Fuck yeah!

[Tigadee]

NZspokes - You a want bigger 250cc bike? The Hyosung is definitely IT...

I rode one today and holy bovines, Batman! It is huge! :shit: It's double the size of my Scorpio and I am not exaggerating! The tyres are a lot wider, the front spokes are double the size, the tank is two times the Scorpio's, seta's a lot higher so that my legs are almost straight when I put my leg down [with Scorpio my knees are bent]... On the Scorpio, I feel like I am riding the bike: I feel big, oversized but in control. On the GT250, I feel like the bike is letting me ride it - with its permission!

My legs felt very cramped though but I think that's the perhaps raised-above-standard pegs? I think they can be lowered for a taller person, correct? My thighs just hugged the tank naturally, there wasn't much room for them to do anything else since the tank was so big.

It is a heavier bike - my Scorpio felt light [and more nimble] and easy to move around while the GT250 felt like it needed to be coaxed into doing something - It certainly needed higher revs just to get moving. Where the Scorpio starts off at 2-3k, the GT250 needs about 3-4k - this is on level ground. It had a screaming demon muffler on and sounded nice! :devil2:

Spokes, if all you want is a bigger 250, I think I've confirmed it for you!

[stifmyster1]

^^^^^^^^

Couldnt agree more. You must have ridden a newish demo model. All the time I demo'd them was about 2-3k on flat. 3.5 on a hill.


The thing with coaxing the bike is true. You cant fling it around like a scorpio or ginnie. But it feels so much more secure in high wind. It doesnt jerk in wind like smaller bikes. it just gradually moves over.

If your a smallish person test ride it several times first as it is a big bike. It is identical in size to the 650.

Just test ride any bike you can and see what feels best. if the best one doesnt feel quite right see what annoys you and ask if it can be altered. like the hi-bar conversion im getting done.

[Tigadee]

Stifmyster - I'm a biggish person - 6' 1" and 100 kgs - so the Hysosung felt right from a standing ergo/seat height and weight point of view, BUT my legs felt very cramped when sitting/riding.

Aren't the Hyosungs's foot pedals adjustable in height? If so, it'd be very desirable for me to have them lowered.:blink:

[stifmyster1]

yea. there adjustable. Im only 5 8 and i had the same. what i did notice is pushing right back in the seat helped. If you go to the barry's point ask to talk to fergus and voice your issues. he may adjust the pegs to see if its more comfortable. he seems to be the guy to talk to there

[nzspokes]

yea. there adjustable. Im only 5 8 and i had the same. what i did notice is pushing right back in the seat helped. If you go to the barry's point ask to talk to fergus and voice your issues. he may adjust the pegs to see if its more comfortable. he seems to be the guy to talk to there

I still would worry to much about the 250. As you will get hooked and get a bigger bike.

This question has been answered for me when I sat on a Yam XJR1300. Its now a tie between a cb1300, XJR1300 or a GSX1400.

[DR650gary]

I still would worry to much about the 250. As you will get hooked and get a bigger bike.

This question has been answered for me when I sat on a Yam XJR1300. Its now a tie between a cb1300, XJR1300 or a GSX1400.


Or, really make it tough and look at a ZRX1200!

I dropped from one of them to a TDM900. I occasionally ride my wife's Cagiva 650 or my son's FZ1.

I think they are all good but when you have a play on a few, one will call your name. Or, maybe they all will so you can't go wrong :yes:

[PrincessBandit]

i think Jatz hit the nail on the head - need no, want yes.

Given the "legal" restrictions on road use in NZ even a GN250 will give you all you need to meet those.

But...I went from a ginny to my 650 bandit and wouldn't change it for the world. I love the bandit even though I'm sure I dont' use it's power (re-read that as thrash it's @rse off) like a lot of blokes might if they owned it.

Think carefully before stepping up so that you don't bite off more than you can chew, especially in the early days. All depends on what your riding history has been like (i.e. how long you've been riding, what you've ridden in the past). A lot depends on your attitude and respect for whatever you're riding - bigger bikes can bite you in the bum way more than little bikes.

[ducatilover]

I'd get a GSX1400 out of that lot :yes: