Trashie's bucket build

[White trash]

Well, after years and years of refusing all offers to have a go on a bucket, I finally was worn down and folded like a paper napkin.

Thanks to the generosity of Fish, made my debut a few weeks ago on his ZXR chassis at the "Endurance" event at Kaitoke. And, confirming my worst fears, I was fucking hooked. Just what I friggen needed, more projects.

So here's my bucket build thread as I cobble together something of my own to ride.

I was lucky enough to aquire a complete FZR250 3LN which will donate its bones to the project. I'm hoping the money raised from selling bits off it will cover the costs of some of the bits and pieces I need. Biggest issue is getting a motor so if anyone has anything spare at a reasonable price, please let me know.

Couple of images of the bike as we (me and 9 year old daughter) pull it to bits. 12 year old daughter isn't too interested in working on it but looking forward to riding it.

[Haggis2]

Fish, what a bastard! :yes:

[fi5hy]

That's me a real F**kin Wan**r. Got another pure little white soul to drain the life out of. :Punk:

[White trash]

That's me a real F**kin Wan**r. Got another pure little white soul to drain the life out of. :Punk:

You arsehole. I'm far from pure though mate, very far.

Looking forward to mixing it up with you clowns sooner rather than later. When I say "mixing", of course I mean glimpsing while being lapped..........

[Kickaha]

Stepping up to the premier class, not really sure you're man enough for it:shifty:

[White trash]

Stepping up to the premier class, not really sure you're man enough for it:shifty:

Yup. Racing career goes F1, Sidecar swinger, F4. How much further is there to climb on the ladder of awesome racing before you reach the top?

[Kickaha]

Yup. Racing career goes F1, Sidecar swinger, F4. How much further is there to climb on the ladder of awesome racing before you reach the top?

You just reached the top

You've got a year to prepare for the next BOB where I will kick your arse until your nose bleeds

[Edbear]

Forgive my lack of knowledge here, but is bucket racing for smaller cc bikes, up to 150cc? If so, didn't Suzuki and Kawasaki make a couple af great little watercooled two-stroke sports 125's and are there any racing in the class? The most popular seems to be the FXR150 four-stroke. :confused:

[Kickaha]

Forgive my lack of knowledge here, but is bucket racing for smaller cc bikes, up to 150cc? If so, didn't Suzuki and Kawasaki make a couple af great little watercooled two-stroke sports 125's and are there any racing in the class? The most popular seems to be the FXR150 four-stroke. :confused:

Water cooled two stroke are restricted to 100cc, Air cooled two stroke 125cc, four stroke 150cc

100cc four stroke can be turboed

[Edbear]

Water cooled two stroke are restricted to 100cc, Air cooled two stroke 125cc, four stroke 150cc

That's a shame, as the water-cooled 125's went really well and were raved over when they were released. Is there a class for them, or any interest in racing them? There are a few 125's that would make for good racing, including the Aprillia.

[Buckets4Me]

There are a few 125's that would make for good racing, including the Aprillia.

sleave it down then you have an aprilla 100 :Punk:



Couple of images of the bike as we (me and 9 year old daughter) pull it to bits. 12 year old daughter isn't too interested in working on it but looking forward to riding it.

as for the new bucket. Good job !!
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/parts-for-sale/complete-engines/auction-415545196.htm
suzuki gp engine just like TZ350's one (was some years ago before the change) just read all 300+ pages of the ese thread and you will have a mean fzr framed monster 2 stroke in no time at all ( Just like TZ's one )

or go get a lonchin like fishy

[quallman1234]

I have AX100 parts, enough to make a engine with. You can have for freeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.
However they are better of being in a bin, because its a AX100 engine.

-Kyle

[Trudes]

248813

Resistance is Futile.

[dangerous]

I have AX100 parts, enough to make a engine with. You can have for freeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.
However they are better of being in a bin, because its a AX100 engine.

-Kyle

Fark man, if its free then one can afford to trick it out, port, chop, weld, skim chamberise and carb to hell n back...

[Moooools]

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/parts-for-sale/other/auction-415619293.htm

As posted in another thread.

You would be restricted to a pair of 17mm carbs (I think) or a single 24mm carb.

[Kickaha]

Fark man, if its free then one can afford to trick it out, port, chop, weld, skim chamberise and carb to hell n back...

They're fucking rubbish, you'd need to be paid to take it away

[quallman1234]

They're fucking rubbish, you'd need to be paid to take it away

Shhhh, i could of got it removed for free.

Nah seriously they are fucken bad. Good luck finding a engine :).

GT125's have potential, but i know you well enough that you have a fuck load of projects like me, so you'll probably never get around to tuning it, so try getting a gl145 or fxr/loncin.

[TZ350]

So here's my bucket build thread as I cobble together something of my own to ride.

I was lucky enough to aquire a complete FZR250 3LN which will donate its bones to the project.

Damm good chassis the 3LN, can fit nearly anything into it and the wheels are good as is for 125 slicks too, handle bars and foot pegs are in the right place also.

248827 248826

Speedpro, Chambers and I use them here at Mt Welly, do you have an engine preference?

I use one of these 08-09 GSXR600 rear shocks with the original FXR spring. $27 USD http://www.ebay.com/itm/08-09-Suzuki-GSXR-600-750-Rear-Shock-Suspension-/230684990738?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&vxp=mtr&hash=item35b5e59d12

I got mine near new of Ebay for not much $$$, as well as being all adjustable they jack the back up a bit for more weight on the front, other year GSXR600 shocks are a bit longer and lift the back of the FXR to much.

[koba]

That's a shame, as the water-cooled 125's went really well and were raved over when they were released. Is there a class for them, or any interest in racing them? There are a few 125's that would make for good racing, including the Aprillia.

You could race something like that in streetstock 150.

[CHOPPA]

I came into the shop to talk you into getting a bucket just yesterday but you were no where to be found!

Im busy looking for one as well mate, I have a couple of races (and got waxed) on the weekend. Bucket convert I am!

[F5 Dave]

Ahh he's too lazy to work on mondays.

Good to see some progress Jimmy.


Just pay mind of gearboxs. 4 speeders are unusable.

[White trash]

I came into the shop to talk you into getting a bucket just yesterday but you were no where to be found!

Im busy looking for one as well mate, I have a couple of races (and got waxed) on the weekend. Bucket convert I am!

Fucken "A" brother! Some pf these pricks can actually hustle these things pretty good eh?

[CHOPPA]

Fucken "A" brother! Some pf these pricks can actually hustle these things pretty good eh?

Yeah mate they were gone! I was struggling with my set up a bit and my tyres had gone off hahaha

[White trash]

Right, after some advice.

I'm thinking I'll go the boring, but reliable, diesel route for a powerplant. After riding Fishies bike and seeing how quick he can get along with it, and knowing my own mechanical spasticity regarding tuning, it's the safest bet.

So, ideally I want an FXR150 motor. But they're fucken hens teeth (unless someone has one they'll sell of course?). I've trawled through Tardme loonking for a Loncin, vertical motor like Fish's one, but no luck there either.

So now I'm thinking maybe a GL145? Much as I hate to look for Honda power, it seems a reliable little bugger that has almost acceptable performance.

Anyone know of any issues or pitfalls regarding these?

[Buddha#81]

Anyone know of any issues or pitfalls regarding these?

other than being a gay honda.........nope, bullet proof, readily avaliable parts good choice. this is cheap http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-414738212.htm sell off all the bits and you will have a $500-600 engine

[F5 Dave]

Bren probably has an FXR engine. Long-chins are avail new for not too much.

http://newmanz.co.nz/shop/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=1_6&zenid=63f7b5bb671106dbcd9b515accc12166


pew! new WC version due soon.

[Clivoris]

Take your time with this Trashie. More time for me to practice in the sunshine.:shifty:

[White trash]

Take your time with this Trashie. More time for me to practice in the sunshine.:shifty:

Had originally planned on taking my time mate, but now Choppa's gone and got in on the act, I need some pratice quick smart.

[Clivoris]

Had originally planned on taking my time mate, but now Choppa's gone and got in on the act, I need some pratice quick smart.

You need a friend with a key to the track mate.

[Bert]

Bren probably has an FXR engine. Long-chins are avail new for not too much.
http://newmanz.co.nz/shop/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=1_6&zenid=63f7b5bb671106dbcd9b515accc12166
pew! new WC version due soon.

They have been apparently due for a long time now... at lease 18months... though they did say cash up front would secure one...

naahh where's the fun in a dirty old 4t...

[White trash]

You need a friend with a key to the track mate.

Any kind of friend is good when you have none............

[F5 Dave]

You need a friend with a key to the track mate.
Have to be careful with that, don't want the kart club taking keys off people.

[Clivoris]

Have to be careful with that, don't want the kart club taking keys off people.

My understanding is that I am allowed to have people there as my guest if they sign an indemnity. If it occurs more often then the guest has to join up and get a key. It is one of the things that got me signed up thanks to Nigel and Trudes.

[White trash]

It's all good anyway, it's my intention to join up and pay the key fee too.

[Kendog]

My understanding is that I am allowed to have people there as my guest if they sign an indemnity. If it occurs more often then the guest has to join up and get a key. It is one of the things that got me signed up thanks to Nigel and Trudes.
Yep, you can take someone along to try out racing, they sign the indemnity.
When they become hooked, they need to sign up.

[F5 Dave]

Yeah its a don't take the piss & pretty fine sort of thing.

Just noticed Trashies new byline by his name:lol: remind me if you two actually get some bikes out on the track to step well back. . .

[husaberg]

Right, after some advice.

I'm thinking I'll go the boring, but reliable, diesel route for a powerplant. After riding Fishies bike and seeing how quick he can get along with it, and knowing my own mechanical spasticity regarding tuning, it's the safest bet.

So, ideally I want an FXR150 motor. But they're fucken hens teeth (unless someone has one they'll sell of course?). I've trawled through Tardme loonking for a Loncin, vertical motor like Fish's one, but no luck there either.

So now I'm thinking maybe a GL145? Much as I hate to look for Honda power, it seems a reliable little bugger that has almost acceptable performance.

Anyone know of any issues or pitfalls regarding these?

Why don't you hack up the 3LN engine into a 2 cylinder give it a bore out and volia.
DOHC 16 valve 150cc twin Speedpro started to do one earlier for a 100cc super or turbo project.
Lining up the mounts should be easy at least.I seem to remember seeing a story of one going to
300cc (I guess with sleeves) on the net with if I recall correct a 400 head with 600 valves so breathing shouldn't be an issue.
all the machining needed might be, but it would be an interesting if not inexpensive build.

[Kickaha]

remind me if you two actually get some bikes out on the track to step well back. . .

You'll only have to worry about that as you're lapping them

[Rick 52]

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-415127063.htm
Not a bad bike 'Fast and ready for the track 'Karl Morgan can punt one round bloody well..Cams ignition wide wheels ...Carnt build one for this sort of money !!

[Yow Ling]

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-415127063.htm
Not a bad bike 'Fast and ready for the track 'Karl Morgan can punt one round bloody well..Cams ignition wide wheels ...Carnt build one for this sort of money !!

buy it , you will be on the track at least a year earlier

Sell the 3ln frame to k14

[k14]

buy it , you will be on the track at least a year earlier

Sell the 3ln frame to k14
This :Punk:

[Buckets4Me]

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-415127063.htm
Not a bad bike 'Fast and ready for the track 'Karl Morgan can punt one round bloody well..Cams ignition wide wheels ...Carnt build one for this sort of money !!
248983 the start of a 2 hour race in 2009
248984 and 2 of the sister bikes to the one in the trademe add leading from the start
248985 a famous rider droping one of them (guess who)

248979 and the bike in the add. This was a well sorted bike (and still should be)

[fi5hy]

Mate your getting smoked already choppas bike threads up to 6 pages mate. i'm going to help you catch up by starting some slap talk. COME ON YOU POOF:shit:

[White trash]

Mate your getting smoked already choppas bike threads up to 6 pages mate. i'm going to help you catch up by starting some slap talk. COME ON YOU POOF:shit:

That's becaues I'm quietly going about my build while baldy fucks around buying all manner of shit from all over the country. His bike owes him $1100 and it's still in two different citys, while he's in a third. Mine's owing me -$75 so far and is mostly in one place lol.

It's all about what happens on the track that counts anyway brother, you know that :)

[Yow Ling]

That's becaues I'm quietly going about my build while baldy fucks around buying all manner of shit from all over the country. His bike owes him $1100 and it's still in two different citys, while he's in a third. Mine's owing me -$75 so far and is mostly in one place lol.

It's all about what happens on the track that counts anyway brother, you know that :)

But to get on the track you need a whole bike in one place, $75 wont cut it , the tyres are $200 to 400 alone

[Henk]

But to get on the track you need a whole bike in one place, $75 wont cut it , the tyres are $200 to 400 alone

Since we're doing this on the cheap :) I have some shit old commuter tyres off an FXR somewhere you could have for free, and you'd have the start of an excuse when you crash on every second corner.

[hmurphy]

every second corner.

*every single corner

[Henk]

Nah, he should be able to get through some of the infield and the sweeper surely?

[hmurphy]

Nah, he should be able to get through some of the infield and the sweeper surely?

With the road tires, maybe sideways :niceone:. Sounds like fun actually

[White trash]

But to get on the track you need a whole bike in one place, $75 wont cut it , the tyres are $200 to 400 alone

Just made the decision to shell out for a brand new Long Chin, so I'm -$425 now. Unfortunately, the motor's in China still and wont be here until January. Still, I'm confident I'll still be on track before Choppa.


Since we're doing this on the cheap :) I have some shit old commuter tyres off an FXR somewhere you could have for free, and you'd have the start of an excuse when you crash on every second corner.


*every single corner


Nah, he should be able to get through some of the infield and the sweeper surely?


With the road tires, maybe sideways :niceone:. Sounds like fun actually

Thanks for the offer guys, but while Choppa's a cheating cunt, he is a good cheating cunt so I've got access to some pretty mint N Tech Dunlop slicks now that he's running Pirelli on the M1 bikes.

[F5 Dave]

If you talk nicely to Fish or someone with a dead CG engine you may be able to mock up the engine mounts etc, make pipes so the Longchink is ready to drop in when it arrives. Think he has spare or broken one.

[blackdog]

If you talk nicely to Fish or someone with a dead CG engine you may be able to mock up the engine mounts etc, make pipes so the Longchink is ready to drop in when it arrives. Think he has spare or broken one.

Not just a pretty face.

[F5 Dave]

Not even that.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Just made the decision to shell out for a brand new Long Chin, so I'm -$425 now. .

Forget it mate...I've found you the perfect sidecar. You and Drew can just share.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170734364370+&viewitem=&vectorid=229466

[White trash]

Forget it mate...I've found you the perfect sidecar. You and Drew can just share.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170734364370+&viewitem=&vectorid=229466

With friends like you, who needs enimas.

[husaberg]

With friends like you, who needs enimas.

Nice to see this thread has ended up in the true tradition of Kiwibiker with a running bike.Done in less than 4 pages, with little or no shit talk:crazy:

[F5 Dave]

So what ever happened to these clowns? 3 of them there was, - like 3 wise men. or was that 3 stooges?


So is Drew actually leading the arms race - of having a bike that runs, to a form of fashion?

[White trash]

So what ever happened to these clowns? 3 of them there was, - like 3 wise men. or was that 3 stooges?


So is Drew actually leading the arms race - of having a bike that runs, to a form of fashion?

Mine's looking real good. Drews is built, just needs final tuning. Choppa's a bit preoccupied racing his "real" bike at the moment.

We'll be out there soon enough.

[F5 Dave]

Looking real good = a pile of parts decaying in the corner?
Final tuning = getting it to run over 4000rpm
racing real bike = any pathetic excuse to avoid getting sorted.

Anyway, are you guys on happy pills at the moment? Where's the rabid smack talk? c'mon its monday - entertain me.

[White trash]

Looking real good = a pile of parts decaying in the corner?
Final tuning = getting it to run over 4000rpm
racing real bike = any pathetic excuse to avoid getting sorted.

Anyway, are you guys on happy pills at the moment? Where's the rabid smack talk? c'mon its monday - entertain me.

Dave, is that any way to foster new blood into the sport? I expected better from an ambassador such as yourself.

Funds are what's holding me back right now.

But once I've got that sorted, I'm gonna tear your head of and shit down your neck T. :)

Better?

[F5 Dave]

Much betterer!

Now where's these other homos?:laugh:

[White trash]

Well Drew's off somewhere being a homo, and Choppa's in the South Island wrecking BMW motors.

[F5 Dave]

Well there has to be some honour in the pursuit of Bavarian donk demolition.

[White trash]

Doing the world a favour.

[Kickaha]

Choppa's a bit preoccupied racing his "real" bike at the moment.

No he isn't he's only racing the Superbike

[Drew]

Righto then, I'm here to talk it up. I can spout whatever I want about beating you and Sloan Jimmy, neither of you slack fucks is ever gonna see the start line at this rate.

If you actually advertised the FZR motor for sale, it'd prolly go a much longer way to funding the new donk. Failing that, ask Bryce or any number of other bike wreckers what they would give you for it, or what they have you could swap it for.

The GL145 is the way to go, as you should get some cash your way to hot that fucker up.

I have been slack in not tuning mine up for sure, but if we start tallying points for races now, you cunts are never gonna catch me. I wont need to tune it.

[hmurphy]

So you're showing up this weekend Drew? Good man, cya there.

[Drew]

So you're showing up this weekend Drew? Good man, cya there.Nope, got the kids this weekend. Be fishing and hanging out with them.

[White trash]

Motor's in. Here are some images of it being dummied up. Has a front half cradle now which I have'nt taken pics of because it's top secret.

Forks will be back in this weekend and the bike will be a roller again and ready for some Round the Block GP testing against Drews bike. Getting some very good tuning infor from TZ350 on the side as well so I'm certainly a lot closer to being ready to race than I was last post.

[hmurphy]

Looking good. Rick52 has a TF engine that had some serious balls (21hp!) and was going really reliably at the Easter weekend that's just been. Have a chat to him too, he has been racing with his TF for a while now and he knows how to ride it well (2011 NI champ). The TF and the TS are supposed to be very similar/the same. Different gearbox ratios or something. I dunno.

[F5 Dave]

Golly Trashie, that's an old TS engine you have there, its pre reedblock from the look.

If you need some ideas or help with porting tools let us know.

[White trash]

Took it for a very short shakedown lap of the Heretaunga GP circuit. Goes really really well, surprisingly so actually.

Couple of smallish issues to sort, and nylon to add, then Bobs your uncle.

[F5 Dave]

Awesome! You have until the 19th to add some nylon. As you might have heard there is a push on noise so you may need to consider a muffler extn, or convince Deano he needs to measure the thing. heck maybe yer work has a meter these days.

[TZ350]

Took it for a very short shakedown lap of the Heretaunga GP circuit. Goes really really well.

Good work, ... :woohoo: ... looks good too........

[hmurphy]

That looks really cool man, well done. Bet it will be a blast to race. Nylon will be easy as for a bike like that, lots of choices for where to put it. It also looks like a frame that would handle quite well. How much does it weigh?

[Mental Trousers]

Looks like it's sitting high in the front. I'm guessing it's still got the stock springs in it??

Good to see this thread getting somewhere :)

[White trash]

Awesome! You have until the 19th to add some nylon. As you might have heard there is a push on noise so you may need to consider a muffler extn, or convince Deano he needs to measure the thing. heck maybe yer work has a meter these days.

Yeah mate, I've got a meter at work. What number am I shooting for and under what conditions and proximity? Sounds pretty quiet now tbh.


Good work, ... :woohoo: ... looks good too........

Thanks mate.


That looks really cool man, well done. Bet it will be a blast to race. Nylon will be easy as for a bike like that, lots of choices for where to put it. It also looks like a frame that would handle quite well. How much does it weigh?

Yeah heaps of real strong mounting points. How much does it weigh? Feels like about 300kg as I can't pick it up.

[White trash]

Looks like it's sitting high in the front. I'm guessing it's still got the stock springs in it??

Good to see this thread getting somewhere :)

You look like you're high in the front................

[Mental Trousers]

You look like you're high in the front................

Yeah, sorry about that. Was looking up Veronica Zemanova on Google Images :drool:

[Clivoris]

Great news WT. I have booked sunshine for the next bucket round.

[F5 Dave]

No idea on test method or numbers sorry.

[davebullet]

Yeah mate, I've got a meter at work. What number am I shooting for and under what conditions and proximity? Sounds pretty quiet now tbh.

Post here might help... Section M4 in the linked PDF shows the kartsport regulations and test conditions for noise:
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/150969-Noise-at-Kaitoke?p=1130349115#post1130349115

[White trash]

Post here might help... Section M4 in the linked PDF shows the kartsport regulations and test conditions for noise:
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/150969-Noise-at-Kaitoke?p=1130349115#post1130349115

Awesome, thanks Dave. I'll get it down below those levels although they are fucking high numbers to be honest.