Cagers. What gives?

[5150]

So this morning I am riding my bike to work. Only 5 minute ride but with three "T" intersections that in all cases I have an "assumed" right of way as I am turning from the main road into a seccondary road. All three had cars turning right which had to give way to all traffic on the main road. In all three cases the cars stopped then started creeping out while scanning the road to left and right. In all three cases they failed to see me slow down and turning.

My question is: How do you fail to notice a bike rider approaching the intersection at 20-30kms an hour, on bright Gold coloured bike wearing a fluro helmet with light grey jacket AND indicating to turn right?

Am I Mr fucking INVISABLE????
In two cases drivers stopped and aknowledged their mistake and let me through. In the third case the wanker in the cage looked at me straight in the eye and still kept pulling out to turn right. For his troubles he got a nice steelcap in the passanger door to remind him to give way next time he aproaches an intersection with give way sign.


Saddest thing was that all this happened within space of 5 minutes and within 2-3 kilometres of eachother. :shit:


And they say us bikers are the dangerous lot.......:facepalm:

[Armi]

:facepalm:

That is all

[Murray]

am i mr fucking invisable????


who said that???

[Stirts]

What gives?

PEOPLE IN CARS, ONLY SEE CARS!!!

[bogan]

Only 5 minute ride but with three "T" intersections that in all cases I have an "assumed" right of way as I am turning from the main road into a seccondary road.

Did they have give way/stop signs or not? If it was all unmarked, your assumed right of way, is wrong.

[superman]

Do you toddle up to intersections just going straight and narrow?

Thin objects have terrible motion camouflage. I always end up floating to the right of the lane back to the left and back to the right. Haven't had anyone "not see me" at intersections for ages.

Though I might just be having a good streak.

[BAY CITY MOTORCYCLES]

Unfortunately you need to accept it and ride accordingly which a I know is a bunch of arse but simply the way it is.
I was knocked off by a truck of some discript at a roundabout...legally his fault...painwise my fault as in reality I should have read his mistake.

If it's bigger than you...give way

[Indiana_Jones]

Assume no one has seen you and treat all other road users as fucking idiots.

As it's been said above, the laws of physics are not in your favour. Give way to the bigger object even though you may be in the right.

-Indy

[5150]

Did they have give way/stop signs or not? If it was all unmarked, your assumed right of way, is wrong.

Give Way signs in all three cases

[5150]

Assume no one has seen you and treat all other road users as fucking idiots.

-Indy

Trust me. I have been doing it for years. I think that is the only reason i am still alive and kicking.
I always make sure I make eye contact with them. If I don't, then I assume they didn't see me.

My point of the story was that people must be blind if they fail to see ANY brightly coloured object in their path and only fixate at compleating a given task at all costs. Incidentally that is how most "pilot Error" plane accidents happen. The narrow mindlessnes that makes people accomplish a set task at all costs without looking at alternatives and without giving the consequences a seccond thought. It is just a way the human brain works. We take small things for granted.

[Gremlin]

If it's bigger than you...give way
What kind of silly school did you go to? In the last few days, I've had 2 pedestrians, completely jaywalking, against red lights etc, walk across in front of me.

The one last night, it's raining, I'm completing a turn into a side street, about 9pm at night. Pedestrian walks across the road, from my right to left, never LOOKS at the road, and finally looks up as the headlight is dazzling him, and I'm almost stopped, about 1-2m from him. He mouths "Oh shit, sorry", I shake my head.

Humans really are that dumb...

[Katman]

The narrow mindlessnes that makes people accomplish a set task at all costs without looking at alternatives and without giving the consequences a seccond thought.

Sounds like a lot of motorcyclists.

[5150]

Sounds like a lot of motorcyclists.

Agreed but fortunately there are still some among us that think before they yank their right hand :blink:

[ac3_snow]

What gives?

PEOPLE IN CARS, ONLY SEE CARS!!!

not true, sometimes people in cars see a motorbike lane splitting in their rearveiw mirror, and feel it is their duty to stop this absurd behavior by attempting to crush you between the car next to you.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Am I Mr fucking INVISABLE????


obviously you are not invisible. but you should proceed as if you are. Not only that. you should proceed not as if the drivers are negligent, or careless*. but as if they actually are homicidal maniacs who WANT to KILL YOU. That way, enlightenment comes.


*or they might have been holding in a large poo, as I found myself this morning.

[5150]

*or they might have been holding in a large poo, as I found myself this morning.

:shit: :innocent:

[Toaster]

If I had a dollar for every time a biker grizzled about another motorist....

It should be NO surprise by now that the average skill level of drivers in NZ is utterly rubbish. Most are either over-confident and arrogant, self-righteous or just plain hopeless, selfish or stupid.

Ride defensively, anticipate things that may go wrong around you and don't assume anything from another road user.

[sinfull]

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[5150]

I wander if the driver sees the bike now? 249000

[Stirts]

*or they might have been holding in a large poo, as I found myself this morning.

Poo can get even with you for holding it hostage for too long. Poo is sposed to come out, not sit around in a smelly, dark passageway.

Poo toxins can be absorbed back into your bloodstream, and affect the brain, making you a shit-for-brains.

Just imagine how you would like it. Poo has feelings, too. Free your poo - don't hold it in.

[5150]

If I had a dollar for every time a biker grizzled about another motorist....



It wasn't just one motorist. It was 3 within 2-3 kms :mellow:

[Toaster]

It wasn't just one motorist. It was 3 within 2-3 kms :mellow:

Proves my point about motorists then aye!

[sinfull]

Poo can get even with you for holding it hostage for too long. Poo is sposed to come out, not sit around in a smelly, dark passageway.

Poo toxins can be absorbed back into your bloodstream, and affect the brain, making you a shit-for-brains.

Just imagine how you would like it. Poo has feelings, too. Free your poo - don't hold it in.

...............249001

[Dodgy_Matt]

I wander if the driver sees the bike now?

Looks like a low speed crash... maybe 30-40kmh? :facepalm:

[5150]

Looks like a low speed crash... maybe 30-40kmh? :facepalm:

Brings a new meaning to "Divine Wind" :innocent:

[oneofsix]

It wasn't just one motorist. It was 3 within 2-3 kms :mellow:

Yeah its amazing how something happens once it seems to happen in threes. And no matter how defensive you are if the others aren't playing their part they will eventually get you. Also complaining makes other aware of the sorts of prats they have to defend against.

[5150]

Yeah its amazing how something happens once it seems to happen in threes. And no matter how defensive you are if the others aren't playing their part they will eventually get you. Also complaining makes other aware of the sorts of prats they have to defend against.

Bit of common sense goes a long way...

[Swoop]

A recent incident left me convinced I am visible.

Coming up to a set of traffic lights on a 2-lane road. Just before the lights an extra bypass lane begins on the LH side.
I spot the traffic light already on red and about 100m away decide to throttle off and coast up towards the light (no need to get there in any great hurry as it's red...).
A car driver comes up behind me, then pulls left into the bypass lane and undertakes me (fine) and then pulls to the right, and across all the lanes to sit in the right hand lane ready for the light to change (which takes another 20 seconds).
I simply let that go. The nutters are out there.:facepalm:

[oneofsix]

Bit of common sence goes a long way...

not as common as its name suggests, what makes sense to one doesn't to another. Common sense is based on experience or learning even if the specific lesions can't be recalled.

[5150]

I think if all cagers were to spend a week or two riding a motorcycle, they might, and I repeat MIGHT look at their own actions more carefully and appreciate other road users. :mellow:

[oneofsix]

I think if all cagers were to spend a week or two riding a motorcycle, they might, and I repeat MIGHT look at their own actions more carefully and appreciate other road users. :mellow:

yeah I remember in another thread Scuba Steve ranting on how being driven to school (and not biking) means learning about road uses by others is being lost. Being vulnerable is a great teacher.

[Swoop]

yeah I remember in another thread Scuba Steve ranting on how being driven to school (and not biking) means learning about road uses by others is being lost. Being vulnerable is a great teacher.
Kids should be encouraged to pushbike to school.
Or walk. Either will provide exercise but the bike will help road awareness.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Poo can get even with you for holding it hostage for too long. Poo is sposed to come out, not sit around in a smelly, dark passageway.

Poo toxins can be absorbed back into your bloodstream, and affect the brain, making you a shit-for-brains.

Just imagine how you would like it. Poo has feelings, too. Free your poo - don't hold it in.

time and place, time and place. It was only for a few minutes, but I confess to being a VERY distracted driver on the way to work today.

all better now, thanks for asking :)

[5150]

time and place, time and place. It was only for a few minutes, but I confess to being a VERY distracted driver on the way to work today.

all better now, thanks for asking :)

Each to their own I say :yes:

[Oblivion]

There was a very nice show on TV a while ago on National Geo, for those who have sky, Called Test your brain.

Its all about the brain and how it processes the information from the sensory organs. I highly recommend that some of you watch it.

Lets see if some of you can see this dude pickpocket ANY of the items from these people.

http://natgeotv.com/asia/test-your-brain/videos/pick-pocket

Car drivers pretty much work on the same analogy as this, so it is relevant somehow...

[Captain_Salty]

time and place, time and place. It was only for a few minutes, but I confess to being a VERY distracted driver on the way to work today.

all better now, thanks for asking :)

so you get paid to poo, any more jobs goin? :mellow:

[5150]

so you get paid to poo, any more jobs goin? :mellow:

Only to do with cleaning it up afterwards :sick:

[pzkpfw]

So this morning I am riding my bike to work. Only 5 minute ride but with three "T" intersections that in all cases I have an "assumed" right of way ...

What do you mean by '"assumed" right of way'?

(Later you mention they were all on give way signs. So what was assumed?)



Yesterday I had a Range Rover pull out from the side of the road (in a suburban street) after the car in front of me (fairly well ahead) had passed it. He saw that car go past, possibly didn't even look for more traffic, then pulled out into the road in front of me. Full on emergency stop. Rise in the road meant I couldn't just go around him - no idea what might come over the hill coming the other way. Too busy stopping to react in any other way, didn't even beep - possibly good since if he'd jammed on his own brakes I might have hit him.

A good reminder to me that, yes, I need to assume I'm invisible. If I'd noticed the Rover (not that he had his indicator on or anything) had a driver in it and might pull out I'd have been more ready when he did.

[BoristheBiter]

There was a very nice show on TV a while ago on National Geo, for those who have sky, Called Test your brain.

Its all about the brain and how it processes the information from the sensory organs. I highly recommend that some of you watch it.

Lets see if some of you can see this dude pickpocket ANY of the items from these people.

http://natgeotv.com/asia/test-your-brain/videos/pick-pocket

Car drivers pretty much work on the same analogy as this, so it is relevant somehow...

A bit like that doco that Richard Hammond did about speed and the fact that we can only process a curtain number of images a second, so if you don't spend long enough looking in one direction you might not see what is there.

[Captain_Salty]

maybe if road users could nominate other drivers a limited amount of "rep points", for good or considerate driving, it might entice people to concentrate. Get enough rep points and you get a merit point banked on your license which you could offset demirit points with, or maybe lower premiums or rego. (lower rego - yea right :facepalm:

[5150]

What do you mean by '"assumed" right of way'?

(Later you mention they were all on give way signs. So what was assumed?)




Sorry. By "assumed" I was being sarcastic that yes there was a give way sign and under these conditions one would assume that he has the right of way, untill some idiot decides to ignore the give way sign and pull out anyway.

[5150]

maybe if road users could nominate other drivers a limited amount of "rep points", for good or considerate driving, it might entice people to concentrate. Get enough rep points and you get a merit point banked on your license which you could offset demirit points with, or maybe lower premiums or rego. (lower rego - yea right :facepalm:

Possibly good idea, but almost impossible to police

[Dodgy_Matt]

maybe if road users could nominate other drivers a limited amount of "rep points", for good or considerate driving, it might entice people to concentrate. Get enough rep points and you get a merit point banked on your license which you could offset demirit points with, or maybe lower premiums or rego. (lower rego - yea right :facepalm:

But then you would get some Homo giving out rep points to the same person... but mainly coz they have a man crush :facepalm:

[Captain_Salty]

but if you could only rep the same plate once a year or sumit...

[pzkpfw]

I reckon it'd be simple for LTSA LTNZ (whatever they're called this week) to have a form on their website...

You'd enter a plate, a date and select a message from a bunch of choices, like "Please review the indication rules for roundabouts".

Then, when the license expiry notice is mailed out to the owner, the computer could pop-in the message on the form. (If someone gets ten messages logged to their plate - maybe someone would visit them?).

(This'd be totally anonymous. The date allows for situations like sale of vehicle between "offence" and mail-out (or maybe figuring out which of your kids was driving your car that day). The message is pre-canned to stop knobs sending foul messages for kicks.)

Probably a total waste of time, but, I dream...

[nonferrous]

So this morning I am riding my bike to work. Only 5 minute ride but with three "T" intersections that in all cases I have an "assumed" right of way as I am turning from the main road into a seccondary road. All three had cars turning right which had to give way to all traffic on the main road. In all three cases the cars stopped then started creeping out while scanning the road to left and right. In all three cases they failed to see me slow down and turning.

My question is: How do you fail to notice a bike rider approaching the intersection at 20-30kms an hour, on bright Gold coloured bike wearing a fluro helmet with light grey jacket AND indicating to turn right?

Am I Mr fucking INVISABLE????
In two cases drivers stopped and aknowledged their mistake and let me through. In the third case the wanker in the cage looked at me straight in the eye and still kept pulling out to turn right. For his troubles he got a nice steelcap in the passanger door to remind him to give way next time he aproaches an intersection with give way sign.


Saddest thing was that all this happened within space of 5 minutes and within 2-3 kilometres of eachother. :shit:


And they say us bikers are the dangerous lot.......:facepalm:

So your reaction was road rage – steel cap into door – that’s disappointing

[5150]

So your reaction was road rage – steel cap into door – that’s disappointing

A. He was the last one of the 3, so by that stage I was running out of patience
B. Ignorant prick saw me slow down and indicate and still insisted to pull out and push through

So I would say, it was justified.

At least the other two saw their wrong way and acknowledged me .
The third one played total ignorance

[scumdog]

A bit like that doco that Richard Hammond did about speed and the fact that we can only process a curtain number of images a second, so if you don't spend long enough looking in one direction you might not see what is there.

Hence why I really LOOK for more than one second each way before moving off from a Give Way/Stop whatever.

Sure, I might miss an opportunity to pull out from the side street now and then but hopefully I make up for it by not being T-boned or inconveniencing other road users by suddenly appearing on front of them.

[davereid]

So your reaction was road rage – steel cap into door – that’s disappointing

Two way street that.

I was cycling (yes with pedals) to work the other day. Woman in a 4WD threw the door open to get her fat arse out.

I braked hard and very aware that dodging out into the traffic to avoid doors gets cyclists killed I went left instead.

I started the road rage, giving her a rant about her actions.

She just laughed and gave me abuse as I wasn't wearing a helmet or dayglo.

Then she saw the big scar down the back of her 4wd where my brakes lever had gouged the paint as I did my emergency dodge.

Suddenly she made my bit of road rage seem like a gentle breeze.

I think that road rage is generally a bubbling over of emotions, and its easier to reach if you genuinely think you have, or almost had a painful encounter and the other party seems less than apologetic.

[5150]

And that's the thing. I am not a violent person or a person who would hold out grudges. And I understand people make mistakes. I am also fine if someone acknowledges their mistake by waving or nodding head to appologise. What gets me is when people do something stupid, realise and carry on playing ignorance or getting rude about it.

[oracle]

not true, sometimes people in cars see a motorbike lane splitting in their rearveiw mirror, and feel it is their duty to stop this absurd behavior by attempting to crush you between the car next to you.

Get this all the time! I don't understand people sometimes. I know that many drivers find it extremely frustrating that they are not intelligent enough or have enough courage to get themselves a motorcycle so that they can also pass the sea of cars, and I therefore do not expect them to move out of the way for me, but why would they try to put someone's life in jeopardy to make themselves feel like a big man (and yes it is almost exclusively men who do it)

[The Singing Chef]

The things i would do if i was invisible...

so following this premise, if whilst riding a bike i did the following:

-Go into a girls changing room

-Go into and rob a bank

-Have sex in the middle of queen street

I would be completely invisible... that would be epic... :innocent:

[bsasuper]

A LOT of drivers dont understand the give way rules, a lot have just forgotton them.Find an intersection with a give way sign and a stop sign, most drivers dont know what to do.

[davereid]

The things i would do if i was invisible...

-Have sex in the middle of queen street...I would be completely invisible... that would be epic... :innocent:

You should discuss this with your girl friend. Given you are the invisible one she may hold different views.

[DR650gary]

On my commute to work Wednesday, I indicate and start to merge into the right turn lane to go down Kapiti Rd and the large modern 4WD in front decides they also want that space so without indicating move into the lane. I blitz around them and come to a stop at the lights, red. I turn, point at the 70 plus lady in the driver's seat, then my indicator.

I get the fingers back :tugger:

I just think it is a lack of respect for anyone else and it is not restricted to kids, boy racers or our MP's.

On the ride south I also had a late model Tenere, I think, coming towards me with headlights on full beam, and I have read on this forum that more than one rider do that knowingly because they said they don't give a shit about anyone else.

So.....don't just blame the cagers. Do the business well yourself and maybe the habit will spread.

Courtesy goes both ways in my opinion.

Cheers

[5150]

Courtesy goes both ways in my opinion.

Cheers

AMEN! :yes:

[Indiana_Jones]

On the ride south I also had a late model Tenere, I think, coming towards me with headlights on full beam, and I have read on this forum that more than one rider do that knowingly because they said they don't give a shit about anyone else.

So.....don't just blame the cagers. Do the business well yourself and maybe the habit will spread.

Courtesy goes both ways in my opinion.

Cheers

Once in a blue one I will ride with full beam on, when it's pissing down and I've had one too many close calls. Lose my rag and decide fuck the pricks, it may annoying them, but at least they'll see me.

Most cases if I'm in doubt I will give a quick flash of full beam just to make sure.

-Indy

[5150]

Most cases if I'm in doubt I will give a quick flash of full beam just to make sure.

-Indy

Hmm nice. A quick warning shot..... :innocent:

[Pseudonym]

I have the same problem, same bike, same colour and same turds trying to kill me.
(Obviously a man of discerning taste)
(OP, not the turds…)
Eye contact USUALLY works, and flicking the pass button can SOMETIMES get you noticed.
Doing the “can you see me?” shuffle (tyre warm up wiggle) can help too.
Bright clothing is a bit of a myth on a sports bike, from behind and side-on it’ll be seen but couched over a tank behind a fairing it’s not that noticeable.
Could toot the horn, but unless you’ve upgraded it, it probably won’t be heard as modern cars insulate the inmates.

Yea, I’d have booted contestant #3 as well…

Thinking of the HID upgrade as the light is still a little uncommon and may help?

[5150]

Thinking of the HID upgrade as the light is still a little uncommon and may help?

I don't know if this has been covered on these forums, but is th HID mod legal in NZ?

[bogan]

I don't know if this has been covered on these forums, but is th HID mod legal in NZ?

Only if you get a proper projector for it too, stock buckets aren't set up to throw a correct light pattern for HID bulbs. Most mod kits don't come with these, and most wouldn't fit in the original bucket anyway.

Just get a headlight modulator so it twinkles a bit, these are illegal as well, but you are far less likely to dazzle other road users than with a poorly fitted HID bulb.

[Pseudonym]

Yea, the legality of them is a concern, but ya know…
The full kits are available and from what I’ve seen from others who have done the mod the beam cut-off and height remains the same with a little more oomph and a whiter light.
But still undecided… Maybe if I find a set of second hand lights I’ll give it a shot…

Fuckit, tank bag with a flare gun.
Then they’ll see you! :shit:

[oneofsix]

Yea, the legality of them is a concern, but ya know…
The full kits are available and from what I’ve seen from others who have done the mod the beam cut-off and height remains the same with a little more oomph and a whiter light.
But still undecided… Maybe if I find a set of second hand lights I’ll give it a shot…

Fuckit, tank bag with a flare gun.
Then they’ll see you! :shit:

Flare Gun? no mate check out the Browning 1919 with bike handle bars, a bit more work and you could have your answer :shifty:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqC7uFbrou4&feature=player_detailpage

[FJRider]

Assume no one has seen you and treat all other road users as fucking idiots.

As it's been said above, the laws of physics are not in your favour. Give way to the bigger object even though you may be in the right.

-Indy

I assume they HAVE seen me and don't give a fuck ... because they are fucking idiots ...

The only law that will apply if you don't take care ... is the law of gravity ...