Yam XJR1300 or Honda CB1300?

[nzspokes]

Im busy dreaming about my big boy bike once my licence is done. So ive seen a CB1300 and looked at a XJR1300 today. Seem to be very similar bikes. Im leaning towards the XJR but not sure. What are peoples thoughts?

[AllanB]

Either or really.


I'd consider the Honda with it's more modern water cooled engine. And it is a gruntmister :woohoo: that repeatedly reviews well.

[nzspokes]

Either or really.


I'd consider the Honda with it's more modern water cooled engine. And it is a gruntmister :woohoo: that repeatedly reviews well.

They both dont seem to be lacking in powa. I didnt realise the Yam was not water cooled due to seeing a radiator. Must be an oil cooler.

I just sat on the XJR and fell in love. :love:

Ive not sat on a CB yet. But have admired Mahas one.

[Subike]

XJR is air cooled and a motor that will refuse to die, regaurdless the shit you toss at it.
the tuning fork has better appeal

[bsasuper]

The honda may look a little bland compared to the yammy, but the engine is far better, and suspension a bit better.I had a kawa zrx1200 which I thought was great, untill I rode the cb1300.

[MikeD400]

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/143110-Do-I-need-a-bigger-bike

:facepalm:

[orangeback]

to put another spin on the CB look at my old X4
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/album.php?albumid=4150

[Kiwi Graham]

If your looking for a naked muscle bike it has to be the mighty Suzuki GSX 1400.......... it has no equal.
Second I'd pick the Yamaha.

[nzspokes]

If your looking for a naked muscle bike it has to be the mighty Suzuki GSX 1400.......... it has no equal.
Second I'd pick the Yamaha.

Cool, another one to add to the mix. What makes it the best?

[actungbaby]

Im busy dreaming about my big boy bike once my licence is done. So ive seen a CB1300 and looked at a XJR1300 today. Seem to be very similar bikes. Im leaning towards the XJR but not sure. What are peoples thoughts?

Its really what you prefer am no expert on these bikes found this though

www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/newsresults/First-rides-tests/2011/October/oct1711-maximum-muscle-minimum-cost/Yamaha/XJR1300/_/R-EPI-133231

they did say honda had better engine suspension than the suzuki but then again its persanal opioion

[Kiwi Graham]

Cool, another one to add to the mix. What makes it the best?

I suggest you ride both the Honda and the Yamaha and then go for a skid on the Suzuki............all will be revealed ;-)

[\m/]

GSX1400 would be my first pick, XJR1300 close second. Love those big oil cooled fours.

[mulletman]

Cool, another one to add to the mix. What makes it the best?

How about 124nm of torque from 2500 RPM:shit:, Pre load, compression and re-bound adjustment front and rear:woohoo: and a 22lt fuel tank:yes:.

[NZsarge]

any of the above mentioned bikes would be good if they've been looked after, me though, i'd go the XJR.

[nzspokes]

How about 124nm of torque from 2500 RPM:shit:, Pre load, compression and re-bound adjustment front and rear:woohoo: and a 22lt fuel tank:yes:.

Jebus:shit: Dont think my car has that.

[Mully]

If your looking for a naked muscle bike it has to be the mighty Suzuki GSX 1400.......... it has no equal

I'd have to agree.

I loved mine.

And there's some bloke in Perth who has done over 250,000km on his and never had the block apart, so I wouldn't worry about longevity...

[nzspokes]

I'd have to agree.

I loved mine.

And there's some bloke in Perth who has done over 250,000km on his and never had the block apart, so I wouldn't worry about longevity...

Cool. thats pretty epic. I like the anniversary colored one. So they are easy to live with? Dont try to kill you.

Im just after a big cumfy easy to ride bike that will haul some crap when I go away. And have some go when I want it.

[Mully]

Cool. thats pretty epic. I like the anniversary colored one. So they are easy to live with? Dont try to kill you.

Im just after a big cumfy easy to ride bike that will haul some crap when I go away. And have some go when I want it.

MIne was black on black - I prefer that to the blue/white scheme (I'm told the white wheels are a nightmare to keep clean)

I found the '14 to be the perfeck bike. Right up until the 4WD decided to knock me off it one morning.

Going forward, I'd be more likely to get a track-only bike. While I did a trackday on the '14, it's not really built for it.

Were I to get a "weekend-only" roadbike (I'm unlikely to ever go back to commuting on a bike), it'd be a '14. No doubt at all.

Then I'd budget some $$ to get the suspension sorted (It's OK, but I was going to keep the bike forever, so I figured I'd get the suspenders done for me).

[nzspokes]

MIne was black on black - I prefer that to the blue/white scheme (I'm told the white wheels are a nightmare to keep clean)

I found the '14 to be the perfeck bike. Right up until the 4WD decided to knock me off it one morning.

Going forward, I'd be more likely to get a track-only bike. While I did a trackday on the '14, it's not really built for it.

Were I to get a "weekend-only" roadbike (I'm unlikely to ever go back to commuting on a bike), it'd be a '14. No doubt at all.

Then I'd budget some $$ to get the suspension sorted (It's OK, but I was going to keep the bike forever, so I figured I'd get the suspenders done for me).

Is there an issue with the suspension on the stock one?

[mrchips]

Is there an issue with the suspension on the stock one?

I've been looking at the gsx1400 as my next bike. Apparently there was an issue with leaky rear shockers on some early models (K2 & K3 silver coloured springs) apart from that..... awesome bike.

clicky here for some GSX1400 FAQ's (http://gsx1400fe.co.uk/gsx1400_FAQs_&_fault_codes.htm)

[Mully]

Is there an issue with the suspension on the stock one?

No more than any other Japanese bike - built to a budget, rather than a standard. And usually built for a ~70kg Japanese rider...

Would have been fine if I hadn't been planning on keeping the bike for a million years.

[Hitcher]

Im busy dreaming about my big boy bike once my licence is done. So ive seen a CB1300 and looked at a XJR1300 today. Seem to be very similar bikes. Im leaning towards the XJR but not sure. What are peoples thoughts?

The best bike in this class is the Kawasaki ZRX1200R. Seriously. Also the GSX1400 is also worth a ride to round out these retro "musclers". But if you want something with oomph that corners sublimely and stops impressively, then the Kawasaki is really hard to beat.

[AllanB]

There is also the 1250 Bandit. That will haul you, the misses and the kitchen sink.

[Brian407]

Worst thing you could have done was asking the question here. Bet you're confused now. Go back to your first instinct and pick the XJR. If it fits you, you'll love it. I do. Best bike Ive ever owned. :yes::woohoo:

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[Edbear]

Worst thing you could have done was asking the question here. Bet you're confused now. Go back to your first instinct and pick the XJR. If it fits you, you'll love it. I do. Best bike Ive ever owned. :yes::woohoo:

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I agree. All of the bikes mentioned are good bikes for much the same reasons and in the end it may simply be the style that you go for. But as said, try to ride them all before you make your mind up.

[Maha]

Worst thing you could have done was asking the question here. Bet you're confused now. Go back to your first instinct and pick the XJR. If it fits you, you'll love it. I do. Best bike Ive ever owned. :yes::woohoo:

249308

The XJR was 2nd on the list when I was looking.
The CB was the first on the wish list that I saw/ride...I knew then that I need not to look any further.
...The Kawasaki ZRX should not be over looked either. http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/tourers/auction-412117088.htm
All great bikes (yes including the ''popular'' GSX)...:yes:

[DR650gary]

Had a ZRX, loved it. Tried a GSX1400, loved it. Looked at an XJR, loved it :woohoo:

See the pattern?

They are all good but one will yank your chain or ring your bell more than another. A lot of guys swap out the ZRX front end so they get adjustable inverted forks. ZX9 I think so the more adjustable GSX1400 may have an edge, but preferred the Yamaha out of them, just couldn't get one at the time I was looking for the money I had.

Newest with lowest k's is usually the best option in my mind.

Cheers and good luck.

[Edbear]

The XJR was 2nd on the list when I was looking.
The CB was the first on the wish list that I saw/ride...I knew then that I need not to look any further.
...The Kawasaki ZRX should not be over looked either. http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/tourers/auction-412117088.htm
All great bikes (yes including the ''popular'' GSX)...:yes:

Esp. the ZRX1200S, it was arguably the best!

My personal choice would be the 1250S Bandit having ridden one for a few days. But they are all great bikes!

[Scouse]

The best bike in this class is the Kawasaki ZRX1200R. Seriously. Also the GSX1400 is also worth a ride to round out these retro "musclers". But if you want something with oomph that corners sublimely and stops impressively, then the Kawasaki is really hard to beat.I have to agree with Hitcher on this also it is the best looking of the crop here is a pic of my old ZRX which I regret selling. this was the best Jap bike I have ever owned and I would have anouther one in a heartbeat if they were still being manufactured.

[DR650gary]

I have to agree with Hitcher on this also it is the best looking of the crop here is a pic of my old ZRX which I regret selling. this was the best Jap bike I have ever owned and I would have anouther one in a heartbeat if they were still being manufactured.

Green, and an "R" :yes:

[Brian407]

Personally I wouldnt give you tuppence for a ZRX, but thats just me. What should be apparent here is that choosing a bike is about as personal as choosing a new pair of shoes. You'll find for yourself what fits you and suits your needs.

[Scouse]

Personally I wouldnt give you tuppence for a ZRX, but thats just me. What should be apparent here is that choosing a bike is about as personal as choosing a new pair of shoes. You'll find for yourself what fits you and suits your needs.Judging from the bike that you own at the moment that would probably be because you could not afford a ZRX

[caspernz]

Isn't it funny how on this subject, the more you ask the less you know?

In the end, when you get to the point of buying your next bike, ride the ones on your shortlist and the answer will become obvious.....

[DR650gary]

Personally I wouldnt give you tuppence for a ZRX, but thats just me. What should be apparent here is that choosing a bike is about as personal as choosing a new pair of shoes. You'll find for yourself what fits you and suits your needs.

I doubt you've ridden one!

I have ridden all the options presented so far, including and XS1100. None bad and I doubt your tuppence would get you the shadow of the bike.

[bsasuper]

The ZRX is the best looker out of all of them, but the CB is my pick for everyday use, I traded my ZRX in for one.

[Brian407]

I doubt you've ridden one!

I have ridden all the options presented so far, including and XS1100. None bad and I doubt your tuppence would get you the shadow of the bike.

Okay, since you and some other asshole chose to make it personal, the XS is only ONE of my bikes (currently for sale if you want a decent bike), my other bike is

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What I choose to buy have absolutely nothing to do with what i can afford to buy. If i wanted a ZRX I could buy two of them tomorrow, but it's my choice to own Yamaha's. I thought I made it clear that I was expressing my opinion, as is my right to do so, but also that his choice should be based on his opinion, not anyone elses. And FWIW I wouldnt give you tuppence for a Suzuki either. Honda maybe, but Yamaha would still be my first choice. (and Ive owned Triumph, Aprilla, and a Muell as well)

[nzspokes]

Isn't it funny how on this subject, the more you ask the more you will know?



Fixxord that for ya.

[nzspokes]

Okay, since you and some other asshole chose to make it personal, the XS is only ONE of my bikes (currently for sale if you want a decent bike), my other bike is

249418

What I choose to buy have absolutely nothing to do with what i can afford to buy. If i wanted a ZRX I could buy two of them tomorrow, but it's my choice to own Yamaha's. I thought I made it clear that I was expressing my opinion, as is my right to do so, but also that his choice should be based on his opinion, not anyone elses. And FWIW I wouldnt give you tuppence for a Suzuki either. Honda maybe, but Yamaha would still be my first choice. (and Ive owned Triumph, Aprilla, and a Muell as well)

That is exactly the bike I sat on. :love:

And I rode with a guy on a XS that was amazing tonight. Didnt get a close look at it but are they a 1100 twin? Nice bike.

Just on the XJR, what is it like on fuel? NIce to ride? After something that eats Ks but can go if I feel like it.

Ignore the others, lets talk Yams. Im not interested in a ZRX. To 70s.

[Brian407]

XS650's are twin, 750 and 850's are triple (had two of them) and the 1100's are inline 4. First of the 80's superbikes and the first production road bike to crack an 11 second quarter, which was big back in the day. Still pretty respectable now. Check out XS11.com if you want to know more about them.

The XJR, well mine anyway, is a helluva lot better on fuel than the XS but could probably be a little better. I average about 280-300 k's on a tank with a mix of town and open road riding, but i live in a small town so theres not a lot of stop start or slow speed stuff in traffic. Absolutely loves the open road, and corners great, but if they have a weakness it's in the front end. It could be just a little stiffer but it's hardly noticable unless your really pushing it well beyond the limits of common sense (which is quite doable, by the way). Roll on power in any gear is excellent, Open up from 50k in top gear and you could easily loose your passenger. One thing the Yammi's have got down pat is grunty, tourqy engines at low revs, so you dont need a lot of gear changing to get her howling. Brakes are Brembo's and will stop her on a sixpence from any speed. NZ new models have Ohlins shocks but be aware that the shocks on some of the Jap import ones are clones, and arent as adjustable as ridgy didg Ohlins. Still seem to work as good but just arent as adapatable to different riders and conditions.

Check out xjr1300.co.uk for plenty of good info.

Hope that helps.

[DR650gary]

Okay, since you and some other asshole chose to make it personal,


Actually no one made it personal until you chose to post this.

I stated that I doubted you had sat (read ridden) on 1, which I still would think was accurate.

You said that you wouldn't give "tuppence" for the bike, I replied that "tuppence" wouldn't buy you the shadow of the bike.

I always think it is best to meet someone before you judge them to be an asshole. You, however, seem to want to test my theory on that.

I doubt many of us care what your finances are but thank you for sharing.

Hopefully we can put your over reaction and bad manners down to lack of sleep as you were commenting rather late for a country boy like me.

[nzspokes]

Actually no one made it personal until you chose to post this.

I stated that I doubted you had sat (read ridden) on 1, which I still would think was accurate.

You said that you wouldn't give "tuppence" for the bike, I replied that "tuppence" wouldn't buy you the shadow of the bike.

I always think it is best to meet someone before you judge them to be an asshole. You, however, seem to want to test my theory on that.

I doubt many of us care what your finances are but thank you for sharing.

Hopefully we can put your over reaction and bad manners down to lack of sleep as you were commenting rather late for a country boy like me.

Well I took what you wrote as an insult to him.

[DR650gary]

Well I took what you wrote as an insult to him.

Really, how?

I doubt he has ridden a ZRX. No insult there.

"Tuppence" is a relatively derogatory term but if taken literally wouldn't buy anything today so no insult there.

Calling someone an asshole because they disagree with you, well, that may be considered insulting but as you can see, I have not responded in an insulting way so still no insult there.

Many of us on this thread have suggested that you throw your leg over the bikes that interest you and give them a go. That is still good advice.

Rejecting a bike because of the badge on it is daft. Most modern super bikes are milliseconds apart in performance and handling. I doubt most of us would be able to spot the difference if there was such a thing as a "Blind Test" but in saying that, asthetics are a large part for all of us in the selection of a bike and there is nothing wrong with that.

Now i have never met you so can neither judge your riding abilities nor your physical capabilities but, the bikes you have indicated you are keen on are big bikes. Not just in performance but physically large and heavy. I am a big lad and have been riding for over 40 years and have owned and or ridden most options that are available now and in the recent past. I would suggest you look for a lighter bike and one with the least amount of plastic for your first step away from learner bikes. Now that may sound patronising and i don't mean to do that but I have three sons who I have encouraged to ride and while i had some control we did manage to choose medium bikes after the learner process.

Just my thoughts.

On the ZRX1200, I have owned many Yamahas and am a dedicated Yamaha owner, see what I currently ride, but the ZRX1200 was one of the best bikes that I have ever owned with an obsessively dedicated following overseas as per the following forums attest to. http://www.zrxoa.org/forums/ http://www.zrxocboard.com/

It pulled from 2000 rpm effortlessly, which does allow lazy riding, but just kept going to a wheel lofting redline. I loved it and would still own one but they are a bit old now and I didn't want to keep adding bits to modernise it. I now have the TDM900 and for me....me...it is the best motorcycle I have ever owned. Nearly 30 kgs lighter than a ZRX and able to handle gravel a bit more safely...for me.

Good luck with your search but ride em, don't look at em on the net.

[Brian407]

I stated that I doubted you had sat (read ridden) on 1, which I still would think was accurate.



Actually, I have a very good friend with one and have ridden it enough times to know that I don't wNt one.

[DR650gary]

Actually, I have a very good friend with one and have ridden it enough times to know that I don't wNt one.

Still struggling with the apology are you.

No need to label people assholes because they stir you a little.

We all ride bikes here.

[Corse1]

The XJR was 2nd on the list when I was looking.
The CB was the first on the wish list that I saw/ride...I knew then that I need not to look any further.
...The Kawasaki ZRX should not be over looked either. http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/tourers/auction-412117088.htm
All great bikes (yes including the ''popular'' GSX)...:yes:

Shit! I will get one of these one day. They never come up when I am looking though....or I am too impatient to wait.

[Brian407]

Still struggling with the apology are you.

No need to label people assholes because they stir you a little.

We all ride bikes here.


Have absolutely no intention of apologizing for stating my opinion. You were the one that responded that opinion with flippant disregard.

However it would seem that your opinion is irrelevant now in light of the original posters last comments.

[nzspokes]

XS650's are twin, 750 and 850's are triple (had two of them) and the 1100's are inline 4. First of the 80's superbikes and the first production road bike to crack an 11 second quarter, which was big back in the day. Still pretty respectable now. Check out XS11.com if you want to know more about them.

The XJR, well mine anyway, is a helluva lot better on fuel than the XS but could probably be a little better. I average about 280-300 k's on a tank with a mix of town and open road riding, but i live in a small town so theres not a lot of stop start or slow speed stuff in traffic. Absolutely loves the open road, and corners great, but if they have a weakness it's in the front end. It could be just a little stiffer but it's hardly noticable unless your really pushing it well beyond the limits of common sense (which is quite doable, by the way). Roll on power in any gear is excellent, Open up from 50k in top gear and you could easily loose your passenger. One thing the Yammi's have got down pat is grunty, tourqy engines at low revs, so you dont need a lot of gear changing to get her howling. Brakes are Brembo's and will stop her on a sixpence from any speed. NZ new models have Ohlins shocks but be aware that the shocks on some of the Jap import ones are clones, and arent as adjustable as ridgy didg Ohlins. Still seem to work as good but just arent as adapatable to different riders and conditions.

Check out xjr1300.co.uk for plenty of good info.

Hope that helps.

Cheers. The XS may have been a 750 thinking about it. Looked like a large twin.

You think the XJR is a little soft sprung in the front? One I looked at was identical to yours apart from pack rack so it had ohlins on it.

[DR650gary]

Have absolutely no intention of apologizing for stating my opinion. You were the one that responded that opinion with flippant disregard.

However it would seem that your opinion is irrelevant now in light of the original posters last comments.

Still missing the point aren't you?

What the original poster stated has been answered by me and obviously misunderstood by you.

What he chooses to buy is his choice and I respect that. Your opinion wasn't challenged here, just the way you presented it. I don't own a ZRX but I am sure if someone stated they wouldn't give you "tuppence" for your XS11 you would not regard that as an opinion, more of a slight or insult. I respect other rider's bikes and try to only insult them face to face :innocent: as unlike you, I :love: all bikes, even crappy old ones.

I find key board warriors tiresome and I still think calling other bikers assholes is immature and not worthy of a real Southern Man :facepalm:

[baffa]

There's clearly not a lot to do in Invers or Levin at the moment.

I would make my decision in the saddle, not online, personally.

[DR650gary]

There's clearly not a lot to do in Invers or Levin at the moment.

I would make my decision in the saddle, not online, personally.

Is there ever? :innocent:

That's what I said. Ride em. Actually ride as many as possible. Only thing I don't like is the $2k excess they sometimes stick on me. Does make me think.

Trouble is, for me anyway, I have never really ridden a bike I didn't like. Each bike has an appeal on some level.

Cheers

[nzspokes]

I would make my decision in the saddle, not online, personally.

I agree but good to talk to owners of them to find any hidden faults/issues etc. All 3 bikes seem to have good and bad points.

Test rides will be last step.

[Brian407]

Still missing the point aren't you?

What the original poster stated has been answered by me and obviously misunderstood by you.

What he chooses to buy is his choice and I respect that. Your opinion wasn't challenged here, just the way you presented it. I don't own a ZRX but I am sure if someone stated they wouldn't give you "tuppence" for your XS11 you would not regard that as an opinion, more of a slight or insult. I respect other rider's bikes and try to only insult them face to face :innocent: as unlike you, I :love: all bikes, even crappy old ones.

I find key board warriors tiresome and I still think calling other bikers assholes is immature and not worthy of a real Southern Man :facepalm:

What a tosser. Movin' on.

[Brian407]

Cheers. The XS may have been a 750 thinking about it. Looked like a large twin.

You think the XJR is a little soft sprung in the front? One I looked at was identical to yours apart from pack rack so it had ohlins on it.

Not so much 'soft' as a little too much fork flex at supersonic speeds. It's easily fixed with a fork brace, but unless your riding like the space shuttle then you don't need it.

[DR650gary]

What a tosser. Movin' on.

Still the personal abuse.

Are you sure you're old enough to ride a motorcycle?

[SPman]

Not so much 'soft' as a little too much fork flex at supersonic speeds. It's easily fixed with a fork brace, but unless your riding like the space shuttle then you don't need it. Mine's re-sprung with a fork brace - seems fine at the front end now - it's the rear that gets a little squirrely - ah - just like the old days....rear shocks are Ohlins by name, but not by nature! Must fix that one day.....
Fuel consumption - I'm, lucky if I get 230km a tank - the wife's FZ1 gets better mileage.
Call it "the Warhorse" - when you're tired or weary and miles from home, load it up and it'll get you back intact, with a grin on your face.
Lot's of cheap mods can be done - I've got FJ1100 carb rubbers, 4 deg ignition advance mod and, because I like the look of the stock pipes, done the muffler rear end replacement mod, so the old girl has a bit of a bellow, these days.

[Brian407]

Interesting.. Mines stock apart from the shocks. One side leaked so i replaced them with a pair of YSS while i repaired the leak. Trouble is I never repaired the leak and still have the YSS on, and dont have any rear end trouble. Good shocks, very happy with them.

Have read about the FJ rubbers but never been tempted to change them, same with the exhaust mod, looks interesting but i dont need to make more noise for very little gain.

The 4 degree advance has piqued my interest though, what does that achieve?

[nzspokes]

Interesting.. Mines stock apart from the shocks. One side leaked so i replaced them with a pair of YSS while i repaired the leak. Trouble is I never repaired the leak and still have the YSS on, and dont have any rear end trouble. Good shocks, very happy with them.

Have read about the FJ rubbers but never been tempted to change them, same with the exhaust mod, looks interesting but i dont need to make more noise for very little gain.

The 4 degree advance has piqued my interest though, what does that achieve?

What do the FJ rubbers do? I would want mine quiet. Just listen to da birdies...

[chasio]

Just saw this: http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/143356-80-s-Superbike?p=1130181705#post1130181705

Bit of a jaunt from you, though...

[nzspokes]

Just saw this: http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/143356-80-s-Superbike?p=1130181705#post1130181705

Bit of a jaunt from you, though...

Thats Brian thats been on here with the XJR. Did look at that, would be interesting with better bars on it. Nice looking bike. Would be very interesting do up project. It did get me thinking.

[SPman]

What do the FJ rubbers do? I would want mine quiet. Just listen to da birdies...
The standard XJR inlet rubbers are restricted for noise and emission law purposes - they are about 26mm dia I think. The FJ rubbers are 32mm (I think). see pic for comparison - XJR on the left. They are also slightly shorter than the XJR inlets, so you have to modify the (modified) air filter housing.
Depending on your engine, and other mods that you may have, this should give you between 5-10 horsepower gain.
The ignition advancer plate lets you set the ignition 4 degrees in advance of stock, which has been retarded for emissions requirements. This puts it back to near FJ timing. a bit more oomph and runs a bit smoother as well
http://www.classicmotorcycleparts.gb.com/yamaha-xjr1300-xjr1200-4-degree-ignition-advancer-plate-1485-p.asp

[cmoore]

many thanks for this thread and loads of other "threads / web" advise which helped me take an XJR1300 for a test ride...I ended up buying a 2005 model....very happy with it!!

[schrodingers cat]

Jebus:shit: Dont think my car has that.

I agree. When I drive it the tank is definately smaller than 22l but when I fill up and pay it is 104 liter.

Must be a leak somewhere to atmosphere...

[GrayWolf]

many thanks for this thread and loads of other "threads / web" advise which helped me take an XJR1300 for a test ride...I ended up buying a 2005 model....very happy with it!!

Damn and I had just ;found' a road test for CB1300,FJ1300,XR1200.......
As an ex (in storage) FJ1200 rider, that motor has a history of over 20yrs now (1100, 1200, 1300cc)... it's solid and almost unbreakable. I was VERY tempted to get an XJR1300 or FJR1300 as I have decided to replace the Zed before I put too many K's on it and render it worthless.... I have still gone 'tuning fork' but in a different direction (2 cyl).

[ducatilover]

Don't get an XS11... they're shit heaps, bending wobbling wallowing tanks, more toque than the frame can handle (they have a habit of twisting and wobbling exiting corners under power), plus that one has the boring seat and bars.


The three bikes you've chosen are all grouse. The XJ looks hot, the CB is a good bike and the GSX has all the torque you'll ever need.
For me? It'd be the GSX, I'd love to have that much torque.

[ducatilover]

that motor has a history of over 20yrs now (1100, 1200, 1300cc)... it's solid and almost unbreakable.
My father had an FJ12 with 260,000km on it. Still went pretty well :innocent:

[Brian407]

As an ex (in storage) FJ1200 rider, that motor has a history of over 20yrs now (1100, 1200, 1300cc)... it's solid and almost unbreakable.

Goes back a little further than that. The 1978 XS11 motor is the forerunner of them all, and even now with the XJR, they share a common design.

[GrayWolf]

Don't get an XS11... they're shit heaps, bending wobbling wallowing tanks, more toque than the frame can handle (they have a habit of twisting and wobbling exiting corners under power), plus that one has the boring seat and bars.


The three bikes you've chosen are all grouse. The XJ looks hot, the CB is a good bike and the GSX has all the torque you'll ever need.
For me? It'd be the GSX, I'd love to have that much torque.

Hahahaha Gawd I love these posts,,, I have the original MCN magazine with the XS1100 road test.. it was considered a reasonably good handling bike in its day... (goes into misty eyed reveire about REAL MEN on REAL bikes:laugh:) The main 'point'? about the XS is the MOTOR, it, like the FJ it 'spawned' is almost unbreakable. There were NO 'good handling' bikes then in comparison to today. The FJ your Dad had with the 'lateral frame concept' (stolen from bimota btw) was considered the 'first' decent handling power bike frame... and they handle like an ocean liner in bends.
And I agree that the 260,000km's just goes to show how good those old 'anachronistic' FJ motors are... and the OP has made a good choice.

[Brian407]

Don't get an XS11... they're shit heaps, bending wobbling wallowing tanks, more toque than the frame can handle (they have a habit of twisting and wobbling exiting corners under power), plus that one has the boring seat and bars.


All that you talk of, while true, is easily fixed at minimal cost. Being a Duke lover (and I am too) of course you're gonna find the seat and bars 'boring', but for the style of bike they're on, they're far from it. In fact it's one of the more comfortable cruisers I've ridden in many years, and many miles. More Torque than the Space Shuttle is how they're often described by riders who truly know them, and if one 'truly' knows them then they know how to handle that tourqe in cornering.

But you're right, Dont get one, but not for the reasons you've expoused, but because they are now over 30 years old and need a rider that appreciates them to keep them ticking over nice, and looking good, not some space rocket jockey who's only interest is in talking about how fast he can take the corner at the end of the road, and what speed the red line is at.

Oh, and BTW, the bars on 'that one' arent original, they're off a Honda something. (changed by a previous owner) They're not the 'cow horn' design that was standard and are more of a semi western style with the handgrips angled more downward, which is much more comfortable, but someome who truly knows the bikes would know that already.

[ducatilover]

Hahahaha Gawd I love these posts,,, I have the original MCN magazine with the XS1100 road test.. it was considered a reasonably good handling bike in its day... (goes into misty eyed reveire about REAL MEN on REAL bikes:laugh:) The main 'point'? about the XS is the MOTOR, it, like the FJ it 'spawned' is almost unbreakable. There were NO 'good handling' bikes then in comparison to today. The FJ your Dad had with the 'lateral frame concept' (stolen from bimota btw) was considered the 'first' decent handling power bike frame... and they handle like an ocean liner in bends.
And I agree that the 260,000km's just goes to show how good those old 'anachronistic' FJ motors are... and the OP has made a good choice.


All that you talk of, while true, is easily fixed at minimal cost. Being a Duke lover (and I am too) of course you're gonna find the seat and bars 'boring', but for the style of bike they're on, they're far from it. In fact it's one of the more comfortable cruisers I've ridden in many years, and many miles. More Torque than the Space Shuttle is how they're often described by riders who truly know them, and if one 'truly' knows them then they know how to handle that tourqe in cornering.

But you're right, Dont get one, but not for the reasons you've expoused, but because they are now over 30 years old and need a rider that appreciates them to keep them ticking over nice, and looking good, not some space rocket jockey who's only interest is in talking about how fast he can take the corner at the end of the road, and what speed the red line is at.

Oh, and BTW, the bars on 'that one' arent original, they're off a Honda something. (changed by a previous owner) They're not the 'cow horn' design that was standard and are more of a semi western style with the handgrips angled more downward, which is much more comfortable, but someome who truly knows the bikes would know that already.

That got a reasonable response. :bleh:
Now is it the part that I admit, I want one? But with flat bars.

[GrayWolf]

That got a reasonable response. :bleh:
Now is it the part that I admit, I want one? But with flat bars.

Might I suggest looking for a 'black one' often called the XS1.1 'sport'.. had the two semi vertical hand grips for the pillion. AND flatter bars.

[Harry the Barstard]

Hey man,

I was in a similar position with regard to what bike to get a few weeks ago. I rode as many as i could.....even went way left field and gave a Triumph thunderbird Storm ($26K, so didnt buy that one), speedmaster and street triple a go at the Trumpy demo day up at waimuaku. I decided in on the CB1300. Picked me up a 2009 in mint nic 9000Kms.

Honda's and Kawasaki's have been the majority of the bikes of owned. Actually, my first bike when i was 15 was a CB125T..... the T was for twin (oooohhhhh ahhhhhh, i hear you say). Anyway as said before, ride as many bikes as you can get your bum on.

Personally i feel that Honda has the best build quality and the CB, a strong proven engin. I will be doing heaps of two up so the suspension on the CB is better suited and not to mention... and again this is just me, after all the test rides the CB was the one i kept wanting to go back to.

Horses for courses chap.......it all depends what floats your boat.

[Brian407]

Might I suggest looking for a 'black one' often called the XS1.1 'sport'.. had the two semi vertical hand grips for the pillion. AND flatter bars.

1981 XS11OORH. European Sports Model. Damned hard to come by these days.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/melbxs/2697520939/in/set-72157608663179917/

[NZsarge]

many thanks for this thread and loads of other "threads / web" advise which helped me take an XJR1300 for a test ride...I ended up buying a 2005 model....very happy with it!!

Awesome, must have a ride on a XJR13 at some point, always fancied them.

[GrayWolf]

1981 XS11OORH. European Sports Model. Damned hard to come by these days.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/melbxs/2697520939/in/set-72157608663179917/

DAMN they still look bloody intimidating, havent seen one in the flesh in over 20yrs. I didnt realise they were so rare over here. Good pic Sarge! Thanks for the memory jog.

[Subike]

Oh dear dear deary me
Shame you guys have not had the fun of learning to tame the beast that hides within the XS1100.
378k on my English 1980 F
250+ on my N Z new 1979 1.1
yup, you need to understand the bike to make her run well,
and maintenance? well, lets say tightening a few bolts after any decent ride is wise,
ride comfort?, can party all night after a 350mile non stop ride without sore arms or a sore butt.
but then what would I know of comfort.....dont need a newer bike, neither of mine are broken.

To the OP, nice choice, you will have many miles of fun on her,

Oh by the way, the 1-1 1100RH, had the newer cams and carbs, was slower than the 79-80 std, but yeah, did look hot,

[ducatilover]

Might I suggest looking for a 'black one' often called the XS1.1 'sport'.. had the two semi vertical hand grips for the pillion. AND flatter bars.
There was a chap in Carterton (Gary) who had done a fair few km on his XS, was a nice old bike.


1981 XS11OORH. European Sports Model. Damned hard to come by these days.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/melbxs/2697520939/in/set-72157608663179917/
That's the same as the XS my father had when I was younger. :yes: That'd do me, I'd be a knob and cafe race it though. I love this one <iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/JDQVD8STUJA" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen=""></iframe>

[NZsarge]

.


That'd do me, I'd be a knob and cafe race it though. I love this one

Yeah i gotta say, that's a nicely modified XS11

[eekdacat]

Kawasucki, two strokes and its all over.

[Big Dave]

Mr Ducatilover, it was actually the standard suspension of the day that was 'inadequate' for the power and weight of the bikes.
I had two of them, a 2nd hand F and brand new RH model. Any handling vagaries were remedied by the installation better suspension components.

[ducatilover]

Mr Ducatilover, it was actually the standard suspension of the day that was 'inadequate' for the power and weight of the bikes.
I had two of them, a 2nd hand F and brand new RH model. Any handling vagaries were remedied by the installation better suspension components.

I've never pushed one.
But, I was told by a long time (mental) XS owner, that if you were a mad fuck, the torque can twist either the frame or swing arm on corner exit ( must be mad to push so hard :rolleyes: ) you can set them up in to a dirty slapper.

This particular person doesn't tend to exaggerate. Have ridden with them multiple time and seen their fast pace vs moderate and it's more than I'll ever do (I'm faggot slow though.)

[Big Dave]

I've never pushed one.
But, I was told by a long time (mental) XS owner, that if you were a mad fuck, the torque can twist either the frame or swing arm on corner exit ( must be mad to push so hard :rolleyes: ) you can set them up in to a dirty slapper.

This particular person doesn't tend to exaggerate. Have ridden with them multiple time and seen their fast pace vs moderate and it's more than I'll ever do (I'm faggot slow though.)

Nah. Crud suspension. All I could afford was S&W shocks at the time and even they fixed it. I loaded them up plenty too. Worn swing arm bearings, old steering heads far more likely.

This one had over 110 ponies.
http://homepage.mac.com/david_cohen_design/.public/10pics2/xs1100_2.jpeg
Solid as a rock.

This one went a lot of the way around Aus - 2 up.
http://homepage.mac.com/david_cohen_design/.public/10pics2/xs11000_3.jpg




People believe the Mach 3 had a 'hinged frame' also. Plenty of latter day articles documenting that if you fit them with modern suspenders the hinge disappears on them too.

[ducatilover]

Nah. Crud suspension. All I could afford was S&W shocks at the time and even they fixed it. I loaded them up plenty too. Worn swing arm bearings, old steering heads far more likely.

People believe the Mach 3 had a 'hinged frame' also. Plenty of latter day articles documenting that if you fit them with modern suspenders the hinge disappears on them too.

Bloody good to know, thanks BD! :niceone:

Will keep that in mind when I start planning a cafe racer build.

[Big Dave]

Yeah - that was my experience with them anyhoo - your pal might have a friday afternoon special.

[Subike]

yup that wallow in cornering is a concern, unless you do something about it
I have quite often experienced it and it can be very un nerving to say the least
But I have never had it turn into a tank slapper in the 7 years of riding the beast.
A good fork brace on the front reduces the fork flex and progressive springs front and rear change the whole attitude of the bike.
My 79 has the fork brace and progressive springs and 25mm longer rear shocks, corners not bad for its age and weight. but can still wallow.
My 80 has just the OME suspension, I would never want to try and push her as hard into corners, it wallows and bucks , wanting do toss me into the awaiting asphalt .
Again, its learn to find your comfort zone, and the bikes, then ride within it.
Interested Dave on how you managed to get 110hp out of a std, the best I know of is 105 with a turbo.

[Big Dave]

Interested Dave on how you managed to get 110hp out of a std, the best I know of is 105 with a turbo.

Bought it that way - traded my SR500 on it - the previous owner claimed 120, but I never believed it - 110 seemed feasible based on everything I've read claimed it made 95 ponies stock
eg: http://www.realclassic.co.uk/yamaha04102900.html
Happy to stand corrected there if you have a better source.

I never dynod it though. It had big Mikunis fitted with pod filters, cam, pistons and Dunstal pipes that were pretty much unrestricted.

[GrayWolf]

yup that wallow in cornering is a concern, unless you do something about it
I have quite often experienced it and it can be very un nerving to say the least
But I have never had it turn into a tank slapper in the 7 years of riding the beast.
A good fork brace on the front reduces the fork flex and progressive springs front and rear change the whole attitude of the bike.
My 79 has the fork brace and progressive springs and 25mm longer rear shocks, corners not bad for its age and weight. but can still wallow.
My 80 has just the OME suspension, I would never want to try and push her as hard into corners, it wallows and bucks , wanting do toss me into the awaiting asphalt .
Again, its learn to find your comfort zone, and the bikes, then ride within it.
Interested Dave on how you managed to get 110hp out of a std, the best I know of is 105 with a turbo.

I'd have to agree with a lot of the old bikes handling issues being suspension related. Knew a few guys even back in the 80's fitting later model larger diameter forks, and Koni etc shocks to bikes. There were a few that did have some frame/swing arm issues. I believe the Z1 had its swingarm altered and the H1/H2's did end up with bracing in some areas of the frame. Fork flex was an 'issue' with the weight and levels of quickosity of some bikes. As commented here, I would love to se the difference that modern suspension components would make to these bikes... and of course lets not forget how skinny and 'technicaly challenged' the tyres of that era were!

[ducatilover]

I'm actually rather interested now that suspension seemed to fix the older bikes :niceone:
Now, who has a 6cyl Kwaka Z for me?

[Edbear]

I'm actually rather interested now that suspension seemed to fix the older bikes :niceone:
Now, who has a 6cyl Kwaka Z for me?

He probably won't sell but the mintest one I know belongs to Classic_Z in Whangaparaoa. He owns Hibiscus Coast Service Centre in David Sidwell Place. His bike is usually at the workshop.

[ducatilover]

He probably won't sell but the mintest one I know belongs to Classic_Z in Whangaparaoa. He owns Hibiscus Coast Service Centre in David Sidwell Place. His bike is usually at the workshop.
I'd sell unusual parts of my anatomy for one :laugh:

[Hinny]

Now i have never met you so can neither judge your riding abilities nor your physical capabilities but, the bikes you have indicated you are keen on are big bikes. Not just in performance but physically large and heavy. I am a big lad and have been riding for over 40 years and have owned and or ridden most options that are available now and in the recent past. I would suggest you look for a lighter bike and one with the least amount of plastic for your first step away from learner bikes. Now that may sound patronising and i don't mean to do that but I have three sons who I have encouraged to ride and while i had some control we did manage to choose medium bikes after the learner process.

Just my thoughts.

I now have the TDM900 and for me....me...it is the best motorcycle I have ever owned. Nearly 30 kgs lighter than a ZRX and able to handle gravel a bit more safely...for me.

Good luck with your search but ride em, don't look at em on the net.

Good advice here.
Big bikes don't make you life easy. Bloody heavy to move around. Easy to drop if you get off balance. Expensive on gas. Rego has gone through the roof.
Do you really need to pull a plough?
I would advise looking at a bike below 6oocc.
The Honda Hornet is 599cc 102bhp 220kph 173kgs 19litre gas tank. Cheaper rego, better fuel economy, good range, easier on tyres, go well.
Quotes from one review:'The Hornet is incredibly easy to ride fast' and ' I love crazy 200hp machines, but really, they straight up suck for commuting as do big sport tourers or cruisers.' and finally 'The Hornet is the perfect motorcycle.' (Ketzal "Hollywood" Sterling.-The motorcycle review.com)
What more could you want?

[Big Dave]

Yebbut if it was the 'perfect motorcycle' it would also deal with unsealed/bad roads like a dual sport and carry two large adults with more comfort - for starters.

There is no such animal. Each individual's requirements are different. What is 'perfect' for some is completely unsuitable for others. That's why there is such a diverse range of machines.

[SPman]

XJR1300's and their ilk don't like gravel - typical modern road setup with wide tyres etc - gravel unfriendly - they'll do it, but it ain't fun - unless it's just a hard packed dirt surface, sans stones, before the grader comes through.......



Big bikes don't make you life easy. Bloody heavy to move around. Easy to drop if you get off balance. Expensive on gas. Rego has gone through the roof.
I was surprised how easy they are to move around - XJR feels very light on the move and quite well balanced - more so than the FZ1 - the missus takes it when she feels like a relaxing ride. Old school air cooled does guzzle gas, but it's not to bad now with the mods - 12 hp more and 3 mpg better economy - go figure. Rego - yep, expensive - $225 a year!

[Big Dave]

Yea - You know, I've found that unless you are pushing the vehicle to its limits the size of the front wheel doesn't make much difference on the road any more - IF the bike's geometry is sorted accordingly.

Seriously - I've ridden on 16" to 26" front wheels in the past 12 months. If rake trail and COM are in concert - there is some - but not a great deal - of difference in normal road riding conditions.

On the dirt it makes a BIG difference, same at the track.

[nzspokes]

So I got my Big boy bike. A K1 Bandit. I love it.

Did Coro Loop today, perfect day.

So going from a 250 to a 1200 in just under a year is not such a bad thing. :bleh:

[Edbear]

So I got my Big boy bike. A K1 Bandit. I love it.

Did Coro Loop today, perfect day.

So going from a 250 to a 1200 in just under a year is not such a bad thing. :bleh:

You won't be sorry! :niceone:

[ducatilover]

I am still rather envious.