CRM80 build?

[CHOPPA]

Im not in too much of a rush, im building a bucket engine out of a CRM80 which is the same as a NSR80.

Im not sure if I should rebuild the bottom end with new rod and bearings etc? I dont like spending money so if its going fine now and theres not too much play in the rod ill prob leave it but it is a very old engine 1990 so its prob due....

The mods im doing are a 'non racing' 100cc big bore kit, 28mm PWK carb, CR85 V Force reed block and a Gianelli Expansion Chamber. I guess ill have to modify the head to suit the new cylinder too

I should be ok to tune it, ill prob start with the same carb specs as a KX100 seen they run the same carb.

What im not sure about is if the standard CDI etc will be good enough and if its not I dont really know where to start.... Could I fit a CR80 CDI? Or does the map on the CDI have to be mapped for this exact bike?

Any help or ideas would be great thanks!

Oh my goal is atleast 200hp at the rear wheel.....

[White trash]

Cheating cunt.

[CHOPPA]

This is pretty much what id like to build oh and BTW is going in a 1988 CBR250R er GP Chassis

http://www.dreamgate.ne.jp/NSR/Gallery/g9_jhansr80.html


(http://www.dreamgate.ne.jp/NSR/Gallery/g9_jhansr80.html)

[gav]

The mods im doing are a 'non racing' 100cc big bore kit,

Non Racing? :facepalm: Tui moment, anyone?
How do you know its the same as a NSR80? :innocent:

If you've got the complete CRM80 why not leave it in that chassis, add 17" wheels and treat it as a mini motard? Probably be faster than trying to drag that big arse CBR250 chassis around?

[CHOPPA]

The mods im doing are a 'non racing' 100cc big bore kit,

Non Racing? :facepalm: Tui moment, anyone?
How do you know its the same as a NSR80? :innocent:

If you've got the complete CRM80 why not leave it in that chassis, add 17" wheels and treat it as a mini motard? Probably be faster than trying to drag that big arse CBR250 chassis around?

The kit is designed for some old POS half road dirt bike thing, doesnt say anything about racing on it so all good. Na dont want a motard bike, there is not much left of the CBR so shouldnt be that heavy plus im 6'2

[F5 Dave]

yeah why spend money rebuilding the crank when its going?

& thus was my philosophy on building bucket engines for a few years. . . .Largely spent picking up pieces.

Any 2 stroke sat around for ages will form minor rust & then when thrashed mercilessly will wear that rust patina along with any surface that the big end roller bearing ran in, - off, . . . then one day, probably 1st or 2nd race meet; gall a little & the rollers stop rolling making a low contact area plain bush. A task they are ill equipped to cope with. All within a few seconds.

If you're lucky they spit the rollers up the transfers & the piston misses dragging them half way out & creating a trench up the barrel.


New crank seals while you are at it. With a Rod kit it should be reliable from here in.

[CHOPPA]

yeah why spend money rebuilding the crank when its going?

& thus was my philosophy on building bucket engines for a few years. . . .Largely spent picking up pieces.

Any 2 stroke sat around for ages will form minor rust & then when thrashed mercilessly will wear that rust patina along with any surface that the big end roller bearing ran in, - off, . . . then one day, probably 1st or 2nd race meet; gall a little & the rollers stop rolling making a low contact area plain bush. A task they are ill equipped to cope with. All within a few seconds.

If you're lucky they spit the rollers up the transfers & the piston misses dragging them half way out & creating a trench up the barrel.


New crank seals while you are at it. With a Rod kit it should be reliable from here in.

Thats what I was after, cheers!

[White trash]

Thats what I was after, cheers!

By the time you're finished this thing, the young fella's gonna be big enough to ride it.

[Buckets4Me]

Other parts included with the kit are a complete bore up kit which increases displacement to 93cc. It also comes with a specially ported and polished cylinder head that works in conjunction with the entire Jha full power kit to maximize performance.




I like the specially ported and polished head :facepalm:
wonder if it comes with crome push rods :shutup:



So just how fast are these little NSR mini bikes. How about an additional 12 to 15 horsepower at the rear wheel which brings total power to 24 to 27 horsepower and a 15.884 second zero to 400 meter sprint ( the Japanese equivalent of the quarter mile ) the speed at the end of the timing lights was 127.47 km/h and a top speed of 150 km/h !!




shucks and my 18-19 h/p air cooled bike could only manage 160 km/h
so it starts with about 12 h/p at the wheels and manages 27 if all goes well ( and you find the same dyno jha use)


well after all that HAVE FUN building this bike of yours and make sure you finish it and go racing
dont trust what these salesmen say ( cause everyone knows you polish the outside and add copper)

and keep posting pics of the bike as you go along

[CHOPPA]

Other parts included with the kit are a complete bore up kit which increases displacement to 93cc. It also comes with a specially ported and polished cylinder head that works in conjunction with the entire Jha full power kit to maximize performance.




I like the specially ported and polished head :facepalm:
wonder if it comes with crome push rods :shutup:



So just how fast are these little NSR mini bikes. How about an additional 12 to 15 horsepower at the rear wheel which brings total power to 24 to 27 horsepower and a 15.884 second zero to 400 meter sprint ( the Japanese equivalent of the quarter mile ) the speed at the end of the timing lights was 127.47 km/h and a top speed of 150 km/h !!




shucks and my 18-19 h/p air cooled bike could only manage 160 km/h
so it starts with about 12 h/p at the wheels and manages 27 if all goes well ( and you find the same dyno jha use)


well after all that HAVE FUN building this bike of yours and make sure you finish it and go racing
dont trust what these salesmen say ( cause everyone knows you polish the outside and add copper)

and keep posting pics of the bike as you go along

Thats not the kit im getting just some good info to send me in the right direction. Id be happy with about 15hp I guess

My proper racing gets pretty busy from December so it might not happen real quick but I am picking up the CBR tomorrow and the CRM next weekend

Only thing I have to decide on now is my colour scheme haha

[Kendog]

My proper racing gets pretty busy from December
You racing F5 as well?

[CHOPPA]

You racing F5 as well?

haha yeah something like that

[Buckets4Me]

Only thing I have to decide on now is my colour scheme haha

and where to put the number boards
and what number to use
NOT #9 :angry:

and new tyres :innocent:

so we should see you next weekend then :blink:

[Hilleye]

yeah why spend money rebuilding the crank when its going?

& thus was my philosophy on building bucket engines for a few years. . . .Largely spent picking up pieces.

Any 2 stroke sat around for ages will form minor rust & then when thrashed mercilessly will wear that rust patina along with any surface that the big end roller bearing ran in, - off, . . . then one day, probably 1st or 2nd race meet; gall a little & the rollers stop rolling making a low contact area plain bush. A task they are ill equipped to cope with. All within a few seconds.

If you're lucky they spit the rollers up the transfers & the piston misses dragging them half way out & creating a trench up the barrel.


New crank seals while you are at it. With a Rod kit it should be reliable from here in.

Seconded. Judging by my own experience recently, it'll last about one dyno session, two Friday testing sessions at Ruapuna then the main bearings will fail just before a major event like BoB. :crybaby:

[CHOPPA]

and where to put the number boards
and what number to use
NOT #9 :angry:

and new tyres :innocent:

so we should see you next weekend then :blink:

Got number boards sorted, new tyres sorted.

Not sure what number to run! Wow decisions decisions!

I think ill prob just put number 1 on....

[Kickaha]

Got number boards sorted, new tyres sorted.

Not sure what number to run! Wow decisions decisions!

I think ill prob just put number 1 on....

I reckon it might take you longer than you think to earn that one, there's a bit more competition for the top spot in Buckets than Superbikes :whistle:

Although NZ title up for grabs at Taupo in a couple of weeks

[CHOPPA]

I reckon it might take you longer than you think to earn that one, there's a bit more competition for the top spot in Buckets than Superbikes :whistle:

Although NZ title up for grabs at Taupo in a couple of weeks

Pfft I didnt say I was gonna earn it hahaha

Is there actually a national title for F4?

[Kickaha]

Pfft I didnt say I was gonna earn it hahaha

Is there actually a national title for F4?

New Zealand Grand Prix is on at Taupo for Buckets, so yes there it is a National title

Hmmmm wonder if we can do a NZ championship over several rounds

[Henk]

Hmmmm wonder if we can do a NZ championship over several rounds

With the amount of people prepared to travel for the NI series I don't fancy your chances for an inter island series.
Would be interesting though, the required set up for the various kart tracks we run on seems to differ, not to mention the long tracks in the SI.

[CHOPPA]

New Zealand Grand Prix is on at Taupo for Buckets, so yes there it is a National title

Hmmmm wonder if we can do a NZ championship over several rounds

Taupo on a Bucket :gob: Ill be sticking to Kaitoke :scooter:

[Kickaha]

Taupo on a Bucket :gob: Ill be sticking to Kaitoke :scooter:

On the Old Taupo track, although just the new bit is pretty good Bucket wise

We run full Ruapuna track, think the fast guys are mid 1.50s, but B track Ruapuna is the best

[CHOPPA]

On the Old Taupo track, although just the new bit is pretty good Bucket wise

We run full Ruapuna track, think the fast guys are mid 1.50s, but B track Ruapuna is the best

Shit thats actually pretty quick! I was actually surprised how fast the guys were when I went to Kaitoke and there were only a few there

[richban]

Taupo on a Bucket :gob: Ill be sticking to Kaitoke :scooter:

Track 2 is the best big bucket track there is. Lap record is a 126 something. No slow. and heaps of fun. But yeah, Kaitoke is a blast. Look forward to seeing you out on track.

[Buckets4Me]

I think ill prob just put number 1 on....

theres only one person brave enough to run that number and he hardley ever turns up :corn:

[Dutchee]

Got number boards sorted, new tyres sorted.

Not sure what number to run! Wow decisions decisions!

I think ill prob just put number 1 on....
You'd have to win #1 off Adlam. Pretty sure there's a sticky with Wellington numbers, so best you look through that. Then again, by the time the bike's finished, the numbers may well have changed anyway and number L might have become available again haha

[CHOPPA]

You'd have to win #1 off Adlam. Pretty sure there's a sticky with Wellington numbers, so best you look through that. Then again, by the time the bike's finished, the numbers may well have changed anyway and number L might have become available again haha

Im happy to run L and wear a flouro yellow bib :scooter:

[Henk]

Im happy to run L and wear a flouro yellow bib :scooter:

In the B grade no doubt.


Was talking to a guy today who ran in the Hyobang cup in the last couple of weeks. He said he was passed by someone and thought "Shit, that's a bit close, hang on bucket racer, maybe not that rude in his eyes" I wouldn't be too suprised if you find buckets a bit less polite than F1

Oh and those fast fookers at Kaitoke are seriously fast.

[Buckets4Me]

Track 2 is the best big bucket track there is. Lap record is a 126 something. No slow. and heaps of fun.


and 40+ bikes on the grid makes it even more so

[Kendog]

theres only one person brave enough to run that number and he hardley ever turns up :corn:
What do you mean? Andrew races most race meets.

[Buckets4Me]

What do you mean? Andrew races most race meets.

so there are more than one :shit:

[Kendog]

so there are more than one :shit:
More than one GP winner?

[koba]

I reckon it might take you longer than you think to earn that one, there's a bit more competition for the top spot in Buckets than Superbikes :whistle:



Any casual reader would probably think you are being sarcastic.

The competition and relative pace are actually much, much higher from what I see...

[TZ350]

Im not sure if I should rebuild the bottom end with new rod and bearings etc? I dont like spending money so if its going fine now and theres not too much play in the rod ill prob leave it but it is a very old engine 1990 so its prob due....

Good to see another Bucketeer taking the long road and building his own. And yes you need to do a complete reco/prep job, F4 is real racing and you need to spend a little now and do the basics well to be a reliable runner, like a real racer would. Just my 2 cents worth.

[CHOPPA]

I can appreciate that the competition and aggression in the F4 class is right up and that is exactly why I want to race it so I can stay sharp.

The reason why the racing is like this is because its easier for most riders to ride a small, slow bike to its limits.

I think if any of you were capable of getting anywhere near the front of a superbike, pro mx or sx race you would be surprised how aggressive you have to be to make a pass. Like any class though you have to earn respect with your competition plus we are going 3x as fast so you have to use your brain.

If im not happy about a pass ill just take you out then next time you will think twice :woohoo:

[Kickaha]

If im not happy about a pass ill just take you out then next time you will think twice :woohoo:

Good luck with that, let me know how you get on:killingme

[F5 Dave]

Good to see another Bucketeer taking the long road and building his own. And yes you need to do a complete reco/prep job, F4 is real racing and you need to spend a little now and do the basics well to be a reliable runner, like a real racer would. Just my 2 cents worth.
meh F5 racing is where its all at. None of those must have the biggest bike ego trips. Need all that large bore power to haul your lardy arses about? (my lardy arse goes fastest down the hill bits:shutup:)

[CHOPPA]

Good luck with that, let me know how you get on:killingme

That was letting you know how I have got on....

[TZ350]

The reason why the racing is like this is because its easier for most riders to ride a small, slow bike to its limits....

The cost to ones body of a mistake racing a Bucket is probably going to be a lot less than a good off from a Super-bike that,s for sure, and one of the great attractions for me. Riding at 10/10ths, easier, maybe, less dangerous for sure, and so your right I can afford to try a bit harder.

But it still seems to take way more talent than mine to consistently ride a Bucket to its limit. Sure I can skid around a corner or two but to string it all together corner after corner, and to cleanly take the overtaking opportunities before they appear well, being good, its not going to be so easy that you will be bored.

[CHOPPA]

The cost to ones body of a mistake racing a Bucket is probably going to be a lot less than a good off from a Super-bike that,s for sure, and one of the great attractions for me. Riding at 10/10ths, easier, maybe, less dangerous for sure, and so your right I can afford to try a bit harder.

But it still seems to take way more talent than mine to consistently ride a Bucket to its limit. Sure I can skid around a corner or two but to string it all together corner after corner, and to cleanly take the overtaking opportunities before they appear well, being good, its not going to be so easy that you will be bored.

For sure mate, dont mean to take anything away from you guys at all and to be honest id be surprised if I could beat the guys that I have seen. I was just getting the feeling judging by some of the comments that some of these guys think that the level in Buckets is much higher then Superbikes which may be the case but I wouldnt agree

[Kickaha]

The cost to ones body of a mistake racing a Bucket is probably going to be a lot less than a good off from a Super-bike that,s for sure
I'm not so sure about that, I can think of just as many Bucket guys(probably more actually) with plated collar bones and numerous others with concussions, fractures , soft tissue damage etc
Small bikes still seem to bite pretty hard

I was just getting the feeling judging by some of the comments that some of these guys think that the level in Buckets is much higher then Superbikes which may be the case but I wouldn't agree
It's called "taking the piss" oh yeah welcome to the "Premier class"

[TZ350]

.... just getting the feeling judging by some of the comments that some of these guys think that the level in Buckets is much higher then Superbikes which may be the case but I wouldn't agree

Like you, I think that Buckets allows more people to approach closer to the real racing limits than they could sensibly afford to within a faster class, and my hats of to the top Superbike boys, I could never go there, I don't think many can, certainly not the average Bucket racer, but I think the top few could if they wanted too.

What I think Buckets does better than any other class, is that its much more affordable while the skill/talent required to consistently do well is much the same as the bigger classes. Certainly the depth of technical knowledge to be found in the Bucket paddock is as deep as any other class.

But the very best thing about Buckets for me and I imagine for some others is that we can get totally involved in developing our bikes/engines and riding skills or just get out for a brisk trot around the track in a way we could never afford to $$$$ wise in the faster classes.

The way I see it, Buckets is affordable and the total package of skills/talent/tec knowledge required to run at the front in F4/F5 is certainly no less than in any other class.

[CHOPPA]

It's called "taking the piss" oh yeah welcome to the "Premier class"

you know I love it! I need more of it to get me motivated to get this thing built

[TZ350]

...... I can think of just as many Bucket guys(probably more actually) with plated collar bones and numerous others with concussions, fractures , soft tissue damage etc. Small bikes still seem to bite pretty hard

Yes, agreed, collarbones are common amongst Bucket racers, Team ESE have had a few and in a close contest on a tight track more than one Bucket racer has been run over by a pursuing bike or two for a bit of general damage.

When I was riding TZ's, collarbones were thought of as slow corner injuries, like the hair pin at Pukekohe where you tended to fall on your shoulder, in the faster road race corners you tended to slide off and up the road, if you were unlucky hitting something really hard at speed. After a fast off it was either just grazes or it was serious, nothing much in-between.

[Moooools]

Stuff the smelly two stroke and get one of these made. In a 150...

http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&rurl=translate.google.co.nz&sl=de&tl=en&u=http://www.wirthwein-motoren.de/index.php%3Ffunction%3Dcms_show%26id%3D43&usg=ALkJrhgiTbeofMTGHdihz2Fo4cOewOC-Hw

[Rick 52]

You wouldn't get me on a 200bhp man eater :shutup: I'm sure you will love the buckets and do very well ..Great bunch! and like Jaded Avalon Dan Karl Glenn .....and the list go's on ' will feel the benefits of racing all year round on small bikes to keep you eye in for the big bikes !

[Buckets4Me]

You wouldn't get me on a 200bhp man eater :shutup: I'm sure you will love the buckets and do very well ..Great bunch! and like Jaded Avalon Dan Karl Glenn .....and the list go's on ' will feel the benefits of racing all year round on small bikes to keep you eye in for the big bikes !

says one of three bucketracers that entered the 3 hour on a gsxr600 :woohoo: and how did you go BLOoDEY WELL i say

249537 who are those 2 at the start of a bucket 2 hour (and they didn't win)

[speedpro]

The difference is the perception of risk. Flat chat into the sweeper on Mt Wgtn is a whole different ball game to flat chat into the kink at Pukekohe at 300kmh+ with the back drifting. Nearly as long as I can remember I've had big bikes and buckets though the big bike hasn't been used for a bit. Good fun for different reasons.

[husaberg]

Good to see another Bucketeer taking the long road and building his own. And yes you need to do a complete reco/prep job, F4 is real racing and you need to spend a little now and do the basics well to be a reliable runner, like a real racer would. Just my 2 cents worth.

Here's one That was prepared earlier.
http://www.racingsm.org/fp.php?project=crm100

[CHOPPA]

Here's one That was prepared earlier.
http://www.racingsm.org/fp.php?project=crm100

Thats the one I stole for my photoshop attempt :)

[CHOPPA]

says one of three bucketracers that entered the 3 hour on a gsxr600 :woohoo: and how did you go BLOoDEY WELL i say

249537 who are those 2 at the start of a bucket 2 hour (and they didn't win)


What 3 hour was that?

[koba]

Any casual reader would probably think you are being sarcastic.

The competition and relative pace are actually much, much higher from what I see...


For sure mate, dont mean to take anything away from you guys at all and to be honest id be surprised if I could beat the guys that I have seen. I was just getting the feeling judging by some of the comments that some of these guys think that the level in Buckets is much higher then Superbikes which may be the case but I wouldnt agree

Two questions that demonstrates my line of thinking about that is:

Who is going to win the superbikes this/next year?

Who is going to win the bucket GP this year?


Depending on who is going to compete for each one The first question has 2 likely answers with 3-4 more close possibles.

The second one has far more in with a great shot and far more in with an OK chance.

Thus, in my mind, making it more competitive.


I know not everyone sees things the same way as me and I don't dislike superbikes, shit I'd give it a crack if I could.

Wanna swap bikes? :devil2:

[Dutchee]

What 3 hour was that?

TRRS 2009. Can't remember who won it, all I remember is seeing the 3 mouseketeers doing well and having lots of fun. Tim was leading early in the race, and they came about 8th/10th, somewhere round that mark. No idea who won. No idea what the rider coming in just before the white flag had planned, but remember watching him come in, thinking, what the hell are you doing, you're just about finished, you don't need gas.

[Buckets4Me]

Two questions that demonstrates my line of thinking about that is:

Who is going to win the superbikes this/next year?

Who is going to win the bucket GP this year?


who ever it is is not going to win both I know that much :gob:
and as for the second one it's going to be someone from the north island :innocent:

[husaberg]

http://www.treatland.tv/honda-MBX-NSR-athena-p/honda-nsr-athena-110cc-kit.htm
Thats the one I stole for my photoshop attempt :)

CRM100? anyone

http://www.treatland.tv/honda-MBX-NSR-athena-p/honda-nsr-athena-110cc-kit.htm

55mmx41.4mm=98cc non race parts too

[Rick 52]

What 3 hour was that?


Iron man !! Good ride fella...

[CHOPPA]

Two questions that demonstrates my line of thinking about that is:

Who is going to win the superbikes this/next year?

Who is going to win the bucket GP this year?


Depending on who is going to compete for each one The first question has 2 likely answers with 3-4 more close possibles.

The second one has far more in with a great shot and far more in with an OK chance.

Thus, in my mind, making it more competitive.


I know not everyone sees things the same way as me and I don't dislike superbikes, shit I'd give it a crack if I could.

Wanna swap bikes? :devil2:

I would agree with that statement :yes:

If you were at the track today I would have been happy to palm it off

[CHOPPA]

http://www.treatland.tv/honda-MBX-NSR-athena-p/honda-nsr-athena-110cc-kit.htm

CRM100? anyone

http://www.treatland.tv/honda-MBX-NSR-athena-p/honda-nsr-athena-110cc-kit.htm

55mmx41.4mm=98cc non race parts too

I think athena make 'race' products, the kit im looking at is only 100cc 53mm

[husaberg]

I think athena make 'race' products, the kit im looking at is only 100cc 53mm

It doesn't say it is a race product or for a competition bike. Some of them do say competition. But not this one:innocent:

They also lie about the sizes the 110cc is 98cc

[koba]

I would agree with that statement :yes:

If you were at the track today I would have been happy to palm it off

Feck. Two arms working at the same time and I'd be made!

[Hilleye]

http://www.treatland.tv/honda-MBX-NSR-athena-p/honda-nsr-athena-110cc-kit.htm

CRM100? anyone

http://www.treatland.tv/honda-MBX-NSR-athena-p/honda-nsr-athena-110cc-kit.htm

55mmx41.4mm=98cc non race parts too

Viable option for MB for those wanting a water cooled head? Stroke is shorter so would you have to stroke the crank?

[ajturbo]

hey Chopp... just be warned.. i have a RG50.. that i will front up on and give you the learn... so best you get as many horses as you can from you thing..

oh and watch out for my elbow as i go past ya on the outside....

:corn:

[husaberg]

Viable option for MB for those wanting a water cooled head? Stroke is shorter so would you have to stroke the crank?

From what Wob Says the ultimate bucket would be a square bore and stroke 50mmx50mm 100cc or 54x54 125cc air cooled.

I would go with either a oversize Mb100 bored and stroked to get to 125cc or a debored/destroked 125cc water cooled with a PV
which is what the new build is

[Yow Ling]

http://www.treatland.tv/honda-MBX-NSR-athena-p/honda-nsr-athena-110cc-kit.htm

CRM100? anyone

http://www.treatland.tv/honda-MBX-NSR-athena-p/honda-nsr-athena-110cc-kit.htm

55mmx41.4mm=98cc non race parts too

This is a bit of an elephant in the room, so simply because it doesnt say "race" or "competition" on the vendors website they are legal for buckets. On another page we arguing that big end bearings are race or competion. While the rules dont explicitly say what is or isnt competition or race parts, buckets have usually been made from street bike or farmbike origons. I dont know shit from clay when it comes to the differences between a crm80 and a nsr80 other than one sounds like a motocrosss bike and the other a road bike, are they identical porting from stock , gear ratios the same. its kinda the same as the TM/TF /TS /RM thing they all look the same but some are more legal for buckets than others. Is the bucket community just ok with this CRM80 thing because its some flash Harry superbike guy going to come over to buckets and give us the learn, or maybe because they hoping he not really that serious anyway and after this thread has got to 20 pages will never be seen in the cheap seats again.

[husaberg]

This is a bit of an elephant in the room, so simply because it doesnt say "race" or "competition" on the vendors website they are legal for buckets. On another page we arguing that big end bearings are race or competion. While the rules dont explicitly say what is or isnt competition or race parts, buckets have usually been made from street bike or farmbike origons. I dont know shit from clay when it comes to the differences between a crm80 and a nsr80 other than one sounds like a motocrosss bike and the other a road bike, are they identical porting from stock , gear ratios the same. its kinda the same as the TM/TF /TS /RM thing they all look the same but some are more legal for buckets than others. Is the bucket community just ok with this CRM80 thing because its some flash Harry superbike guy going to come over to buckets and give us the learn, or maybe because they hoping he not really that serious anyway and after this thread has got to 20 pages will never be seen in the cheap seats again.

Yeah I know what you are saying pm me you email Yow and I will give you an Idea of a Shit storm of maelstrom with the rules.

Ps the motors are real different from the cr80.
They are road motors for real.the ratios and the rest are real different.

There are guys from what I can understand using the overbore kits in the Derbis too I think But I sure get where you are coming from.

[Moooools]

"Engines must be derived from non-competition motorcycles. Motocross, Road Racing, Enduro and Go Kart motors and transmission parts are not permitted. There shall be no restriction on the make, type or design of carburettor, ignition, exhaust, piston, cam, valve springs or cooling system except for class eligibility. All engines must be normally aspirated except F4 4 stroke engines of less than 100cc capacity, which may be turbo or supercharged."

Could you please show me the part where it says "Aftermarket barrels that do not explicitly state that they are designed for street use are banned".

I think the two stroke boys get a little bit up tight when they have spent a lot of time tuning their engines, and someone comes along and can through parts together and get something that will be reasonably quick.

In my eyes Choppa is checking all the boxes:

Derived from a road engine - tick.
Two Stroke engine water cooled less than 100cc - tick.
Barrel has not come from Motocross, Road Racing, Enduro and Go Kart motors. - tick.

These sorts of things are not hard to come by now. They are no more expensive than port work for a 4 stroke, and no doubt a whole lot cheaper than getting Wobbly to deal to an engine. :innocent:
And is it within the spirit of bucket racing? Hell yes.

[Buddha#81]

Burn Choppa at a stake, he's a cheating witch!

[jasonu]

"Engines must be derived from non-competition motorcycles. Motocross, Road Racing, Enduro and Go Kart motors and transmission parts are not permitted. There shall be no restriction on the make, type or design of carburettor, ignition, exhaust, piston, cam, valve springs or cooling system except for class eligibility. All engines must be normally aspirated except F4 4 stroke engines of less than 100cc capacity, which may be turbo or supercharged."

Could you please show me the part where it says "Aftermarket barrels that do not explicitly state that they are designed for street use are banned".

I think the two stroke boys get a little bit up tight when they have spent a lot of time tuning their engines, and someone comes along and can through parts together and get something that will be reasonably quick.

In my eyes Choppa is checking all the boxes:

Derived from a road engine - tick.
Two Stroke engine water cooled less than 100cc - tick.
Barrel has not come from Motocross, Road Racing, Enduro and Go Kart motors. - tick.

These sorts of things are not hard to come by now. They are no more expensive than port work for a 4 stroke, and no doubt a whole lot cheaper than getting Wobbly to deal to an engine. :innocent:
And is it within the spirit of bucket racing? Hell yes.

Agreed 10 char

[husaberg]

Agreed 10 char

Not this again lets move on.

[Moooools]

:corn:
+10char

[husaberg]

:brick:


" They are no more expensive than port work for a 4 stroke, and no doubt a whole lot cheaper than getting Wobbly to deal to an engine. :innocent:
.

I am getting Wob to do mine as Mick never had to tune his one either:shutup:
I am not the only one either we are taking over the show.

There could be up to 25 2 stroke (Yes 25) 30HP at the rear wheel Buckets at the Battle of the Buckets next year.

I am of course also supporting the small NZ tuning industry too.
I therefor feel I should at least get a MBE or a OBE.

Racing is racing. It isn't a DIY tuner/riders cup is it.

[Buckets4Me]

Is the bucket community just ok with this CRM80 thing because its some flash Harry superbike guy going to come over to buckets and give us the learn, or maybe because they hoping he not really that serious anyway and after this thread has got to 20 pages will never be seen in the cheap seats again.

well first he has to finish it
then when he beats you you can stump up with $100 and hope they see it your way
after that you can brag that you are better than some flash harry superbike racer because he cheated
or you loose $100 + and we now have a benchmark

is a crm80 built for Motocross, Road Racing, Enduro and or Go Kart's ( I have no clue so am staying out)
but I do know someone had a big winge because I wanted to use boison? reeds (so I had some made out of the same stuff they use to make rs125 reeds) :shutup:

[richban]

:brick:



I am getting Wob to do mine as Mick never had to tune his one either:shutup:
I am not the only one either we are taking over the show.

There could be up to 25 2 stroke (Yes 25) 30HP at the rear wheel Buckets at the Battle of the Buckets next year.

I am of course also supporting the small NZ tuning industry too.
I therefor feel I should at least get a MBE or a OBE.

Racing is racing. It isn't a DIY tuner/riders cup is it.

Lets hope with all this time and effort some results come the way of the 2 stroke talkers, opps I mean tuners.:shutup:innocent: I have already started on plan C to combat this disturbance in the force.

[husaberg]

Lets hope with all this time and effort some results come the way of the 2 stroke talkers, opps I mean tuners.:shutup:innocent: I have already started on plan C to combat this disturbance in the force.

Hello Rich
Tell me again.
Who does your Cams?:innocent:

:corn:

[richban]

Hello Rich
Tell me again.
Who does your Cams?:innocent:

:corn:

That would be the guy / company that does most of the fast FXR work. Kelford Cams. AKA Kevin Ban Me Bro. Very handy for me yes.:woohoo:

[husaberg]

That would be the guy / company that does most of the fast FXR work. Kelford Cams. AKA Kevin Ban Me Bro. Very handy for me yes.:woohoo:

Surely not a professional tuner:facepalm:

Note there is a free plug there also.

[richban]

Surely not a professional tuner:facepalm:

Nah he's a cowboy. Last time I had to even put some of the engine together myself. Spark plug I think its called.:facepalm:

Just jealous really. I want 30hp. Or more coz more is better.

[husaberg]

Nah he's a cowboy. Last time I had to even put some of the engine together myself. Spark plug I think its called.:facepalm:

Just jealous really. I want 30hp. Or more coz more is better.


Get your self a FZR250 and cut it in half.

I have 2 here. is that four engines.

[richban]

Get your self a FZR250 and cut it in half.

I have 2 here.

Maybe I already have one. Or maybe something else. What ever the next engine is. Its going in my RS250 roller. F3 is to expensive buckets are where its at.

[RMS eng]

This is a bit of an elephant in the room, so simply because it doesnt say "race" or "competition" on the vendors website they are legal for buckets. On another page we arguing that big end bearings are race or competion. While the rules dont explicitly say what is or isnt competition or race parts, buckets have usually been made from street bike or farmbike origons. I dont know shit from clay when it comes to the differences between a crm80 and a nsr80 other than one sounds like a motocrosss bike and the other a road bike, are they identical porting from stock , gear ratios the same. its kinda the same as the TM/TF /TS /RM thing they all look the same but some are more legal for buckets than others. Is the bucket community just ok with this CRM80 thing because its some flash Harry superbike guy going to come over to buckets and give us the learn, or maybe because they hoping he not really that serious anyway and after this thread has got to 20 pages will never be seen in the cheap seats again.

they also made a CRM 50 same motor ,also called a MT50.same bottom end as the 80,i have a book with all there specs,same gear box as MB50,NS50,.RM125 and TS125 from 1976 on are no were near the same.only CRM that had a MX motor was the 250

[TZ350]

they also made a CRM 50 same motor ,also called a MT50.same bottom end as the 80,i have a book with all there specs,same gear box as MB50,NS50,

If a CRM80 is just a trail bike, does that make a Yamaha DT125 legal? it had a head light too and sometimes you see the engines on Trademe and I like the look of them, there was a list some where that I think Skunk put together, but I cant find it.

[Moooools]

:brick:



I am getting Wob to do mine as Mick never had to tune his one either:shutup:
I am not the only one either we are taking over the show.

There could be up to 25 2 stroke (Yes 25) 30HP at the rear wheel Buckets at the Battle of the Buckets next year.

I am of course also supporting the small NZ tuning industry too.
I therefor feel I should at least get a MBE or a OBE.

Racing is racing. It isn't a DIY tuner/riders cup is it.

You should really stop banging your head against the wall. You have probably done it enough judging by the fact you are building a two stroke.

[husaberg]

If a CRM80 is just a trail bike, does that make a Yamaha DT125 legal? it had a head light too and sometimes you see the engines on Trademe and I like the look of them, there was a list some where that I think Skunk put together, but I cant find it.

DT125 is legal as assuming you mean the AC one either that or sleeve the LC one to 100cc
with a 24mm carb

[Henk]

If a CRM80 is just a trail bike, does that make a Yamaha DT125 legal? it had a head light too and sometimes you see the engines on Trademe and I like the look of them, there was a list some where that I think Skunk put together, but I cant find it.

http://www.bucketracing.co.nz/bucketlist.php per Koba :)

Oh and the CRM250 water cooled thing was a road legal trailbike, good adventure hack, decent commuter, you'd have to be mad to race one in any sort of off road competion. I used to use mine for marking out trails and commuting, great for that but no way fast and the suspension was as soft as a soft thing.

[husaberg]

You should really stop banging your head against the wall. You have probably done it enough judging by the fact you are building a two stroke.

You are right the four stroke are such a superior engine that the rule makers have to keep changing the rules to suit the 2 stroke.Thats why they give them unrestricted carbs and a displacement advantage to compensate for there obvious inadequacies.:not:


Cows follow the herd too Much like sheep follow the flock. Mooo.:bye:

249630

PS At my place when a cow gets a bit slow or it challenges my authority.
I turn them into mincemeat:bash:

249628249631

[Moooools]

You are right the four stroke are such a superior engine that the rule makers have to keep changing the rules to suit the 2 stroke giving them unrestricted carbs and a displacement advantage to compensate for there obvious inadequacies.:not:

That's how it is aye Moooos:violin:

Cows follow the herd like sheep follow the flock. Mooo.:bye:

249630

PS at my place when a cow gets a bit slow i turn them into mincemeat:bash:

249628249631

Do you know what has a better power to weight ratio than a two stroke and is more reliable with far less "inadequacies"?
A gas turbine.:yes:

Feck it I can't even be stuffed having this argument. Let me know when that bike of yours is on the track and we can settle this. :innocent:

[husaberg]

Do you know what has a better power to weight ratio than a two stroke and is more reliable with far less "inadequacies"?
A gas turbine.:yes:

Feck it I can't even be stuffed having this argument. Let me know when that bike of yours is on the track and we can settle this. :innocent:







A yes Moos Thanks for giving me more Fodder for bad puns.

249646

I agree when the Flag drops the bullshit stops.

249647249645
The gas turbine has been done and is not as far as I am aware a Four stroke.
Here is A Suzuki SP370 jet engine assisted bike.
249644

[White trash]

Fuck you girls are funny.

While you're all arguing over Choppa's CRM80 and shit, he's off riding his BMW Superbike at Taupo. Dropkicks...........

See ya on the track soon ladies.

[Moooools]

The best bit is that moooools has nothing to do with cows. Just happens to contain mooooo. A sound that cows make. Did you know that? Really quite amusing.
While there is nothing really funny about your screen name. I did find this compilation of husabergs crashing; which made me a little bit happy inside.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAjpuhzPsYM


And while I am perfectly aware that a gas turbine is not a four stroke, the point was that comparing for strokes to two strokes is like apples to oranges. The only true was would (but still a pointless number) would be to measure efficiency- i.e. power vs rate of fuel usage.
Tell me who wins that one.

Anyways mister funny pun man, time to let this thread resume to talk about Choppa building a bike.

[wildman]

Hi guys i have a question, is an Aprillia rotax 125 engine legal for bucket racing if i sleeve and destroke it to100cc. And if yes does the fact that the only vehicle it was in here in New Zealand was a Superkart make it a kart engine?

[husaberg]

Fuck you girls are funny.

While you're all arguing over Choppa's CRM80 and shit, he's off riding his BMW Superbike at Taupo. Dropkicks...........

See ya on the track soon ladies.

She started it:girlfight:

You are right though White Trash. He's off riding and yet hes still way further ahead in his build than you are.

He after all has an engine.

Ps your Tag line tearing Choppa's A'Hole very funny :buggerd:
bugger that.

[F5 Dave]

Hi guys i have a question, is an Aprillia rotax 125 engine legal for bucket racing if i sleeve and destroke it to100cc. And if yes does the fact that the only vehicle it was in here in New Zealand was a Superkart make it a kart engine?
nope, a Rotax Max is a kart engine if that is what you are at & would clearly be a competition engine in the same way as a Honda RS125.

An aprillia RS125 debored would be fine

[Moooools]

nope, a Rotax Max is a kart engine if that is what you are at & would clearly be a competition engine in the same way as a Honda RS125.

An aprillia RS125 debored would be fine

Unless it is out of an aprilia bike and has been used in a shifter kart? Or were those not a rotax engine?

[F5 Dave]

Rotax make a dizzing array of engines over the years & a lot of them competition based, but a lot of road ones as well. I can't see why you'd put a road one in a kart when there is so much to choose from.

[Moooools]

Fuck you girls are funny.

While you're all arguing over Choppa's CRM80 and shit, he's off riding his BMW Superbike at Taupo. Dropkicks...........

See ya on the track soon ladies.

What a pity I won't be in Welly next year so that you can tell me how good I look from behind. Well actually I can probably finish my BE in the time it will take you to get a bike to the track.

[Drew]

What a pity I won't be in Welly next year so that you can tell me how good I look from behind. Well actually I can probably finish my BE in the time it will take you to get a bike to the track.

You underestimate him. Since I do most of the spannering around here, as soon as the motor arrives it'll be in and going.

[gav]

Look, someone could build one before him.
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=407471061

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=416488442

So that's $1100, should be able to flog off the CRM chassis and the NSR motor, jobs a good un .... :yes: :scooter:

[RMS eng]

If a CRM80 is just a trail bike, does that make a Yamaha DT125 legal? it had a head light too and sometimes you see the engines on Trademe and I like the look of them, there was a list some where that I think Skunk put together, but I cant find it.

Rob any trail bike is a go,the motor in the RG125-150 is the same as is in the TS125R and TS200R which are more of a race bike than a CRM80.don't know if you could use a KDX125,not sure but it looks like a de-tuned kx motor.also don't know why no one uses DT motors,W/Cooled one is the same motor as in a TZR125 i had.

[wildman]

Sorry guys i haven't worked out how to post in the forums properly yet. The rotax engine i have is a 125 gearbox engine that was meant to have come out of a road bike and it came to New Zealand and was only used in a superkart. It has raised compression, ported cylinder and motoplat ignition, my contacts tell me it was an awsome engine but fairly temperamental. It runs a 5 speed gearbox which is similar to the rotax 256 superkart engine which was 250cc. It's around late eighties early nineties and is meant to be the same engine that was developed for long circuit 125cc karting in Europe at that time. I've had it for a little while now and earlier this year it was stolen but i managed to get it back, would really love to do something with it rather than have it just sitting around, bucket sidecar would be my choice.

[jasonu]

Sorry guys i haven't worked out how to post in the forums properly yet. The rotax engine i have is a 125 gearbox engine that was meant to have come out of a road bike and it came to New Zealand and was only used in a superkart. It has raised compression, ported cylinder and motoplat ignition, my contacts tell me it was an awsome engine but fairly temperamental. It runs a 5 speed gearbox which is similar to the rotax 256 superkart engine which was 250cc. It's around late eighties early nineties and is meant to be the same engine that was developed for long circuit 125cc karting in Europe at that time. I've had it for a little while now and earlier this year it was stolen but i managed to get it back, would really love to do something with it rather than have it just sitting around, bucket sidecar would be my choice.

If it is watercooled you will have to sleve it down to 100cc and if it is aircooled the carb can be no bigger than 24mm (measured at the venturi as the manufacturer did...)
That is all assuming it is not a competition based motor in the first place.

BTW how/who/why the fuck did someone steal it from you?

[Yow Ling]

the carb can be no bigger than 24mm (measured at the venturi as the manufacturer did...)


That is your interpretation of the rule , but not how the rule is written in the rules of competition

[jasonu]

That is your interpretation of the rule , but not how the rule is written in the rules of competition

It is the way most people interperate the rule. As of yet the rule hasn't been officially challenged and until the builders that have found a gap in the wording actually start winning, and I hope they do as I am a 2 stroke fan, and someone actually ponies up the protest fee the rule will continue to be a grey area.

Just my opinion, not having a go at anybody (well maybe a small dig but all in good fun).

[TZ350]

carb can be no bigger than 24mm (measured at the venturi as the manufacturer did...)

That is your interpretation of the rule , but not how the rule is written in the rules of competition

Jason may also have been thinking of the taper that is designed into the carb (and also nessasery for extracting the plug during the die casting process) and that a 24mm carb measured at the venturi will taper out to 25-26mm at the engine side of the carb.

Team ESE are gearing up to manufacture their own style of carburettor that will be for sale to all comers at $385 and includes a full set of jets and needles, a conventional bike carb layout is like it is because that is the easy way to die cast them and keep costs down their are better ways of doing it.

[wildman]

If it is watercooled you will have to sleve it down to 100cc and if it is aircooled the carb can be no bigger than 24mm (measured at the venturi as the manufacturer did...)
That is all assuming it is not a competition based motor in the first place.

BTW how/who/why the fuck did someone steal it from you?

Motor is watercooled, low life broke into back of my ute and took motor as well as 125yz motor, 125rm motor, kart frame ,axles ,rims kart trolley and tools.Got this motor back when someone tried to sell it to the kart shop my mate manages. Sorry for taking the thread away from original topic

[RMS eng]

That is your interpretation of the rule , but not how the rule is written in the rules of competition

do it how the kart clubs do,if a 24mm round plug fits in the carb its to big and cheating.or shape the same area,when i was working kart motors this what they did.unless they have changed there rules on this,ask Wobbly about the 30mm kart rule.as a note doe's any one know if V force reeds are legal

[Henk]

The round plug works fine for carbs with round inlet tracts but how many are like that? I know the XL100 carb has a shape that is closer to rectangular than round. If the plug was taken as a measure instead of area then there would be a pretty good case for all sorts of odd shapes to stay within the letter of the law. A tract that is 24mm high but well wide or 24 wide but much taller spring to mind immediately.

[RMS eng]

The round plug works fine for carbs with round inlet tracts but how many are like that? I know the XL100 carb has a shape that is closer to rectangular than round. If the plug was taken as a measure instead of area then there would be a pretty good case for all sorts of odd shapes to stay within the letter of the law. A tract that is 24mm high but well wide or 24 wide but much taller spring to mind immediately.

as i said or the same area as a 24mm round plug,if it is rectangular or a D bore carb just has to be the same area as a round 24mm carb,most carbs are round.carb rule seems easy to me.

[Henk]

Yep, carb rule should be easy, yet as a dog retuneth to its vomit, we keep ending up back here.
And from other posts and discussions it seems the carb rule is probably a little pointless anyway, it hasn't stood in the way of big HP so far, maybe we should just let it lie, it seems to be an issue with an almost religous fervour attached to it at times.

[speedpro]

as a note doe's any one know if V force reeds are legal

If they are for a non-competition engine as defined in bucket racing rules then perfectly OK. I have a set for a TZ(S)R250, which I'm not using, honestly. Nice bit of gear and supposedly worth hp

[husaberg]

Yep, carb rule should be easy, yet as a dog retuneth to its vomit, we keep ending up back here.
And from other posts and discussions it seems the carb rule is probably a little pointless anyway, it hasn't stood in the way of big HP so far, maybe we should just let it lie, it seems to be an issue with an almost religous fervour attached to it at times.

Instead of arguing amongst ourselves about carbs.
We should use our energy to get 4 strokes limited in Comp ratio say 10:1 only.
I am also not so happy about how some of them have more than 2 valves either.
4 valves per cylinder seems a little excessive.:psst:

[Bert]

......
as a note doe's any one know if V force reeds are legal

I was wandering the same thing; wouldn't it be an after market part rather than a performance part (competition); no one has really proven them to be a significant performance improvement?
I need to go and read the rules again; but i can't recall any mention of intake structure being classified in the list of engine parts that could not be of aftermarket origin (no mention of non-competition origin)...
Otherwise those using "mx" carbs or PWKs; or boyesen reeds etc would/may be in violation of the said rules..
Another Grey area...

[RMS eng]

I was wandering the same thing; wouldn't it be an after market part rather than a performance part (competition); no one has really proven them to be a significant performance improvement?
I need to go and read the rules again; but i can't recall any mention of intake structure being classified in the list of engine parts that could not be of aftermarket origin (no mention of non-competition origin)...
Otherwise those using "mx" carbs or PWKs; or boyesen reeds etc would/may be in violation of the said rules..
Another Grey area...

carbs are open like pipes and other parts in the rules so any thing goes.

[Buckets4Me]

would really love to do something with it rather than have it just sitting around, bucket sidecar would be my choice.

make a side car and stick it in
water cooled and all
then come race it BUGGER the rules (ITS A CHAIR NOT A BUCKET)

and if anyone complains they can build one themselfs
and when there is enought to run a real race change the engine to a legal one (thats if it isn't legal to begin with) it will need a rebuild by then anyway

JUST BLODY DO IT MATE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

we need more side cars

[gav]

carbs are open like pipes and other parts in the rules so any thing goes.

Unless its bolted to a 125cc two stroke :facepalm:

[gav]

And as far as rules go, the official word from the MNZ Road Race commissioner is it was the INTENT of the rules blah blah blah and they also suggested that the Bucket community needs to be self policing :gob:

Heres a copy of the reply from MNZ, some on here have already seen a copy of this. :innocent:


Subject: Re: MNZ rule clarification or rule change required
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 23:09:19 +1300

Hi again Gavin

The rule reads pretty clearly from where I'm looking - the use of competition engines and gearboxes is specifically disallowed ....... the ORIGINAL wording from 25 odd years ago is probably better, but what we have now is fine.

If we take your suggestion to its full extent, you have a major can of worms - for instance, there are several KT100 parts in an AG100 engine. There is the odd early RM part in a TF125. and so on etc etc.

As one who was building and racing buckets from the first day they escaped the Airforce, I can tell you the intent of the original rules was to encourage the building of performance, not simply the buying of horsepower in the guise of factory race parts. So the rules specifically excluded the use of these .... and there was no such thing as RS125 framed MB100 cylindered MB50's either. But centre-hub steered G4TR's with watercooled RG cylinders grafted on were rightly applauded. Homemade alloy monocoques with VT250 headed CB125 engines were cool, and LEGAL

The Bucket community needs to be self-policing to an extent - if people are building bikes with illegal parts, suggest you do something about it by putting pressure on the guilty parties yourselves

Hope this helps ??????

Cheers
Peter R

This was my original email asking for clarification ...

2010_MoMS_Chapter_24_Road_Racing_Miniature.

24.2.4 Engines must be derived from non-competition motorcycles. Motocross, Road Racing,
Enduro and Go Kart motors and transmission parts are not permitted

Seeking clarification on this rule. The extra S added after Go Kart motor above has led a lot of confusion over the wording.
Some people read this rule to mean while its clear on competition transmission parts, its not clear on competition motor parts.
As its worded, some interpret that a complete motor is not allowed, but interpret by some logic that they are allowed to use competition motor PARTS.
No I would not agree putting in race parts is the same in effect as using the whole engine.
These would be excluded if it were to read Go Kart motor and transmission parts, but with the extra S added to motor, it seems some read this that its only a complete motor that is not permitted.
A point to be looked at, but I think (motor"s") was to cover off all motors of what ever brand and not as you have interpreted it.

Has this been raised in discussion in before? Not to my knowledge Was the extra S added as a typo? It seems to me that is a typo, as why would you ban transmission PARTS but not motor PARTS?
It has come to light that some people seem to think it is in the rules to use Go Kart parts in some engines in "Bucket racing".
A notice on the MNZ web site should clarify this for all competitors.

Can you confirm the intention of this rule? And is it possible to have the wording changed if it has been a typo all these years?

The items in red were a reply from Paul Stewart part of MNZ.
Shame he wasnt able to add in some comma's in his first line, as it is, Im not sure if he agrees or disagrees :facepalm:

So after all that, I think they missed the point of my original query ..... oh well .....
Can't be long before two stroke bucket bikes will be banned, due to their carbon footprint anyway is it?
Oh and sorry for the thread hijack, but welcome to the Bucket forum, you'll get use to it. :yes:

[Yow Ling]

And as far as rules go, the official word from the MNZ Road Race commissioner is it was the INTENT of the rules blah blah blah and they also suggested that the Bucket community needs to be self policing :gob:

Heres a copy of the reply from MNZ, some on here have already seen a copy of this. :innocent:


Subject: Re: MNZ rule clarification or rule change required
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 23:09:19 +1300

Hi again Gavin

The rule reads pretty clearly from where I'm looking - the use of competition engines and gearboxes is specifically disallowed ....... the ORIGINAL wording from 25 odd years ago is probably better, but what we have now is fine.

If we take your suggestion to its full extent, you have a major can of worms - for instance, there are several KT100 parts in an AG100 engine. There is the odd early RM part in a TF125. and so on etc etc.

As one who was building and racing buckets from the first day they escaped the Airforce, I can tell you the intent of the original rules was to encourage the building of performance, not simply the buying of horsepower in the guise of factory race parts. So the rules specifically excluded the use of these .... and there was no such thing as RS125 framed MB100 cylindered MB50's either. But centre-hub steered G4TR's with watercooled RG cylinders grafted on were rightly applauded. Homemade alloy monocoques with VT250 headed CB125 engines were cool, and LEGAL

The Bucket community needs to be self-policing to an extent - if people are building bikes with illegal parts, suggest you do something about it by putting pressure on the guilty parties yourselves

Hope this helps ??????

Cheers
Peter R

This was my original email asking for clarification ...

2010_MoMS_Chapter_24_Road_Racing_Miniature.

24.2.4 Engines must be derived from non-competition motorcycles. Motocross, Road Racing,
Enduro and Go Kart motors and transmission parts are not permitted

Seeking clarification on this rule. The extra S added after Go Kart motor above has led a lot of confusion over the wording.
Some people read this rule to mean while its clear on competition transmission parts, its not clear on competition motor parts.
As its worded, some interpret that a complete motor is not allowed, but interpret by some logic that they are allowed to use competition motor PARTS.
No I would not agree putting in race parts is the same in effect as using the whole engine.
These would be excluded if it were to read Go Kart motor and transmission parts, but with the extra S added to motor, it seems some read this that its only a complete motor that is not permitted.
A point to be looked at, but I think (motor"s") was to cover off all motors of what ever brand and not as you have interpreted it.

Has this been raised in discussion in before? Not to my knowledge Was the extra S added as a typo? It seems to me that is a typo, as why would you ban transmission PARTS but not motor PARTS?
It has come to light that some people seem to think it is in the rules to use Go Kart parts in some engines in "Bucket racing".
A notice on the MNZ web site should clarify this for all competitors.

Can you confirm the intention of this rule? And is it possible to have the wording changed if it has been a typo all these years?

The items in red were a reply from Paul Stewart part of MNZ.
Shame he wasnt able to add in some comma's in his first line, as it is, Im not sure if he agrees or disagrees :facepalm:

So after all that, I think they missed the point of my original query ..... oh well .....
Can't be long before two stroke bucket bikes will be banned, due to their carbon footprint anyway is it?
Oh and sorry for the thread hijack, but welcome to the Bucket forum, you'll get use to it. :yes:

So what is he really saying? Dont bother MNZ with your silly little problems, or you guys should grow up and move on to serious racing.
In serious road racing there are rules that we will enforce, like no stubby clutch levers , but bucket peasants will need to sort out their minor problems like what engines etc are legal.. Dont forget to pay your license fees though because we want Motorcycling to be Safe, Fun and Fair

[husaberg]

So what is he really saying? Dont bother MNZ with your silly little problems, or you guys should grow up and move on to serious racing.
In serious road racing there are rules that we will enforce, like no stubby clutch levers , but bucket peasants will need to sort out their minor problems like what engines etc are legal.. Dont forget to pay your license fees though because we want Motorcycling to be Safe, Fun and Fair

I kind of didn't want this to go on KB but oh well.



The rules need sorting and so does the MNZ

Last time I looked Bucket racers pay the same level of fees both Entry and License as the rest of the classes and we would out number most other classes.
The rules need to be sorted. If the MNZ will not sort them.
Then block voting is my suggestion.
Whens the next election?

[Buckets4Me]

Last time I looked Bucket racers pay the same level of fees both Entry and License as the rest of the classes and we would out number most other classes.
The rules need to be sorted. If the MNZ will not sort them.
Then block voting is my suggestion.
Whens the next election?

we just had one of them and the guy standing for pressie was a bucket racer as well as other things and would have been good
BUT not enough votes so there you go

we may be bigger but we dont vote (who did you vote for)

who is at fault them or us ?

[husaberg]

we just had one of them and the guy standing for pressie was a bucket racer as well as other things and would have been good
BUT not enough votes so there you go

we may be bigger but we dont vote (who did you vote for)

who is at fault them or us ?

I do recall a Email.
Whoops Apathy?

That's why I am suggesting block voting by proxy if nes?

[Sketchy_Racer]

While you're all arguing over Choppa's CRM80 and shit, he's off riding his BMW Superbike at Taupo. Dropkicks...........



Nah his BMW superbike was broken again so he was on his BMW touring bike haha.

Hey chop I can show which corners are the best to crash at though and there's this one corner if you are real talented that you get your bike to hang in the tree....

[F5 Dave]

Sorry guys i haven't worked out how to post in the forums properly yet. The rotax engine i have is a 125 gearbox engine that was meant to have come out of a road bike and it came to New Zealand and was only used in a superkart. It has raised compression, ported cylinder and motoplat ignition, my contacts tell me it was an awsome engine but fairly temperamental. It runs a 5 speed gearbox which is similar to the rotax 256 superkart engine which was 250cc. It's around late eighties early nineties and is meant to be the same engine that was developed for long circuit 125cc karting in Europe at that time. I've had it for a little while now and earlier this year it was stolen but i managed to get it back, would really love to do something with it rather than have it just sitting around, bucket sidecar would be my choice.
mmm, sounds like it isn't legal. The 256 for example is a total GP engine. They used to be competition for the TZs of the time (1980 I think was first introduction) but later evolved cw PVs etc in the late 80s. Obviously far more common in karts.

Think some kart clubs do a historic class.

[CHOPPA]

Nah his BMW superbike was broken again so he was on his BMW touring bike haha.

Hey chop I can show which corners are the best to crash at though and there's this one corner if you are real talented that you get your bike to hang in the tree....

Haha yeah the touring bike is a bloody monster to get around the track!!

Ill be keen for some bucket training Sketchy :scooter:

This thread has gone great!

Hey what would you guys say if someone turned up with a competition based engine in there bike but they just wanted to race at small club days and not serious competitions? Would they be told there is no class for them and to go home or maybe made to start at the back??

[Henk]

Hey what would you guys say if someone turned up with a competition based engine in there bike but they just wanted to race at small club days and not serious competitions? Would they be told there is no class for them and to go home or maybe made to start at the back??

Probably best to not open that particular can of worms given the lengths people have gone to in the past to build bikes that are both fast and legal.

Just my 2 cents

[CHOPPA]

Probably best to not open that particular can of worms given the lengths people have gone to in the past to build bikes that are both fast and legal.

Just my 2 cents

Just seems like soooo much pissing around and $$ to tune a dirty old farm bike engine up to the power of a standard 80cc MX bike engine you can score for piss all.

[jasonu]

Hey what would you guys say if someone turned up with a competition based engine in there bike but they just wanted to race at small club days and not serious competitions? Would they be told there is no class for them and to go home or maybe made to start at the back??

What would you say to someone who wanted to start off the back in the Superlights class on a BMW Superbike?

From time to time Steve Groves used to show up to Mt Welli practise days with a KX125. It was fun to watch but he was never allowed (and never wanted to anyway) enter Sundays races. No matter where he might have started from he would still have had some affect on the final race result.

[jasonu]

And as far as rules go, the official word from the MNZ Road Race commissioner is it was the INTENT of the rules blah blah blah and they also suggested that the Bucket community needs to be self policing :gob:

Heres a copy of the reply from MNZ, some on here have already seen a copy of this. :innocent:


Subject: Re: MNZ rule clarification or rule change required
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 23:09:19 +1300

Hi again Gavin

The rule reads pretty clearly from where I'm looking - the use of competition engines and gearboxes is specifically disallowed ....... the ORIGINAL wording from 25 odd years ago is probably better, but what we have now is fine.

If we take your suggestion to its full extent, you have a major can of worms - for instance, there are several KT100 parts in an AG100 engine. There is the odd early RM part in a TF125. and so on etc etc.

As one who was building and racing buckets from the first day they escaped the Airforce, I can tell you the intent of the original rules was to encourage the building of performance, not simply the buying of horsepower in the guise of factory race parts. So the rules specifically excluded the use of these .... and there was no such thing as RS125 framed MB100 cylindered MB50's either. But centre-hub steered G4TR's with watercooled RG cylinders grafted on were rightly applauded. Homemade alloy monocoques with VT250 headed CB125 engines were cool, and LEGAL

The Bucket community needs to be self-policing to an extent - if people are building bikes with illegal parts, suggest you do something about it by putting pressure on the guilty parties yourselves

Hope this helps ??????

Cheers
Peter R

This was my original email asking for clarification ...

2010_MoMS_Chapter_24_Road_Racing_Miniature.

24.2.4 Engines must be derived from non-competition motorcycles. Motocross, Road Racing,
Enduro and Go Kart motors and transmission parts are not permitted

Seeking clarification on this rule. The extra S added after Go Kart motor above has led a lot of confusion over the wording.
Some people read this rule to mean while its clear on competition transmission parts, its not clear on competition motor parts.
As its worded, some interpret that a complete motor is not allowed, but interpret by some logic that they are allowed to use competition motor PARTS.
No I would not agree putting in race parts is the same in effect as using the whole engine.
These would be excluded if it were to read Go Kart motor and transmission parts, but with the extra S added to motor, it seems some read this that its only a complete motor that is not permitted.
A point to be looked at, but I think (motor"s") was to cover off all motors of what ever brand and not as you have interpreted it.

Has this been raised in discussion in before? Not to my knowledge Was the extra S added as a typo? It seems to me that is a typo, as why would you ban transmission PARTS but not motor PARTS?
It has come to light that some people seem to think it is in the rules to use Go Kart parts in some engines in "Bucket racing".
A notice on the MNZ web site should clarify this for all competitors.

Can you confirm the intention of this rule? And is it possible to have the wording changed if it has been a typo all these years?

The items in red were a reply from Paul Stewart part of MNZ.
Shame he wasnt able to add in some comma's in his first line, as it is, Im not sure if he agrees or disagrees :facepalm:

So after all that, I think they missed the point of my original query ..... oh well .....
Can't be long before two stroke bucket bikes will be banned, due to their carbon footprint anyway is it?
Oh and sorry for the thread hijack, but welcome to the Bucket forum, you'll get use to it. :yes:

Sounds to me like someone hasn't attended a Bucket meet in the last 20 years.
Pretty piss poor response from the MNZ especially considering the revenue Buckets generates.

[Buckets4Me]

Hey what would you guys say if someone turned up with a competition based engine in there bike but they just wanted to race at small club days and not serious competitions? Would they be told there is no class for them and to go home or maybe made to start at the back??

most would get away with it
BUT NOT YOU sorry

JC up this way will let most YOUNG people ride whatever gets them on the track (it has to be at least LIKE a bucket)
but they cant be beating everyone and will get NO POINTS

BUT I can only think of 2 kids doing that in the 8 years I've been there

one rg150
and one on an mb100 in F5

go buy that dam cb125t #99 on trade me you lazy bugger it's ready it goes and has all the good bits for about the cost of parts to build the ENGINE you have

people told you you would never finish :shit:

[Buckets4Me]

Sounds to me like someone hasn't attended a Bucket meet in the last 20 years.
Pretty piss poor response from the MNZ especially considering the revenue Buckets generates.

sounds normal try getting the cops to catch the bugger that stole your bucket :shutup:

[Sketchy_Racer]

Just chuck a 80/85cc motocrosser in there and I'll do the same and we'll start a new class - Stock 80-85cc MX motors, only thing you can change is the chamber, would be an awesome class a bit like the Moto2 of buckets haha

[fi5hy]

Choppa mate buy a Loncin then no bastard will want to talk to you on that slow old shita

[CHOPPA]

Choppa mate buy a Loncin then no bastard will want to talk to you on that slow old shita

But that wouldnt get everybody wound up :innocent:

[bucketracer]

Just seems like soooo much pissing around and $$ to tune a dirty old farm bike engine up to the power of a standard 80cc MX bike engine

I guess, if you don't find the pissing around developing something interesting in its own right, you could buy a Lonclin or fXR they are pretty good, cheap enough and hard to beat with any sort of Stroker.

Even if you brought a MXr I think you would need to be really talented to beat the 4 Smokers and even so you would still need to develop the Stroker for better drive out of the corners.

[Yow Ling]

Just chuck a 80/85cc motocrosser in there and I'll do the same and we'll start a new class - Stock 80-85cc MX motors, only thing you can change is the chamber, would be an awesome class a bit like the Moto2 of buckets haha

Quite possible, if the bucket community could agree on it, MNZ dont care they want us to be self policing. Down here Underpowered 80 has an AR80 motor similar to a KX80 ? has a good turn of speed , in a rs frame, quite a weapon

[F5 Dave]

MX engines again? it would never stop & little Johnnys dad would buy a late model one to strip for the engine, so Scotts dad would buy a 2011. then Jefferies dad would preorder a 2012 & send it to Eric Gorr, but only to find that he's moved. On to facebook to find him & . . . .Sorry, this stories taken off on its own.:corn:

[CHOPPA]

MX engines again? it would never stop & little Johnnys dad would buy a late model one to strip for the engine, so Scotts dad would buy a 2011. then Jefferies dad would preorder a 2012 & send it to Eric Gorr, but only to find that he's moved. On to facebook to find him & . . . .Sorry, this stories taken off on its own.:corn:

Nothing wrong with that? We want peoples dads spending the money on road racing rather then MX

[richban]

Nothing wrong with that? We want peoples dads spending the money on road racing rather then MX

They can just go on trademe and buy a CBR now. Little johnny very happy with new bike.

[jasonu]

MX engines again? it would never stop & little Johnnys dad would buy a late model one to strip for the engine, so Scotts dad would buy a 2011. then Jefferies dad would preorder a 2012 & send it to Eric Gorr, but only to find that he's moved. On to facebook to find him & . . . .Sorry, this stories taken off on its own.:corn:

You could limit it to say pre 1990 motors. Maybe a stock carb and ignition rule might be in order too and that would be easy to police in a 'self policeing' class.

[Yow Ling]

One of the best things about buckets is the underlying rules are quite restrictive but once you over that anything goes. Of all the hundreds of engines built and are eligible only a few are reall good buckets
MB FXR CBR KE TS always something getting in the way of being perfect, shitty gear ratios, feeble clutch, weird porting, too rare. the rules are great that they seem to limit the perfect storm. Some pretty amazing engines still keep turning up though

[F5 Dave]

Problem with MX bikes is they get raced till they aren't competitive & then trail ridden & then sold on & thrashed in a field until they are shrapnel. You have to buy a going bike to get a good engine. That can be expensive & other components aren't useful sizes for buckets. I couldn't tell a 1990 from a 2005 engine.

[koba]

Just seems like soooo much pissing around and $$ to tune a dirty old farm bike engine up to the power of a standard 80cc MX bike engine you can score for piss all.

If it seems like sooo much pissing around and $$ spading a chick and taking her out for dinner and listening to her boring waffle to get her to perform the same function as a wank...

[Drew]

If it seems like sooo much pissing around and $$ spading a chick and taking her out for dinner and listening to her boring waffle to get her to perform the same function as a wank...

So, you're saying that bucket racers are not wankers?

There are only two types of men in this world my friend...Wankers, and Liars!

[koba]

So, you're saying that bucket racers are not wankers?

There are only two types of men in this world my friend...Wankers, and Liars!


Eunchs?



tenchar

[CHOPPA]

If it seems like sooo much pissing around and $$ spading a chick and taking her out for dinner and listening to her boring waffle to get her to perform the same function as a wank...

Yeah but wouldnt it be better if you could just spend a little bit and get something thats ready to go without having to do all the spade work? Oh wait....

[CHOPPA]

How about building a superbucket just for practice days..... This would be fun....

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=418909312

[Henk]

Squeeze it into an rs frame and run it in whatever they call F3 these days

[fi5hy]

Fuck i'm keen you build we ride:drool:

[CHOPPA]

Fuck i'm keen you build we ride:drool:

haha deal!

Hey is it every weds at the BMX track???

[Henk]

Eunchs?



tenchar

Are you fullas coming up to Taupo this weekend? (Michelle)

[quallman1234]

Buy this, be legal?

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/parts-for-sale/other/auction-418797514.htm

[Henk]

Plenty of GLs out there. This is (I think) the engine that the luncheon is copied from. They go quite well when pedaled hard. Guy up here has just built his own lattice frame for one.

[koba]

Are you fullas coming up to Taupo this weekend? (Michelle)

Na, stink aye!

[Dutchee]

Na, stink aye!

Way stink. No you guys, no Trudes and Kendog.

[fi5hy]

haha deal!

Hey is it every weds at the BMX track???

yes mate as long as it's not to wet

[F5 Dave]

haha deal!

Hey is it every weds at the BMX track???

so if you build that CR250 in RS frame you have to ride it at the BMX track? Heck I'd pay to see that.

[Drew]

Eunchs?


Having ones nuts lopped off for a job, makes them not men.

[CHOPPA]

so if you build that CR250 in RS frame you have to ride it at the BMX track? Heck I'd pay to see that.

Now that will be fun!!

I have a CBR chassis, im going to pick up the CRM this weekend if all is good with it

[koba]

Having ones nuts lopped off for a job, makes them not men.

Bollocks!

Eunchs are men too!

Stand up for the Eunchs!


Gawsh, this has gone to tacky puns now...

[Buckets4Me]

Now that will be fun!!

I have a CBR chassis, im going to pick up the CRM this weekend if all is good with it

you will never get it going :rolleyes:

[CHOPPA]

you will never get it going :rolleyes:

My wife says it has to be going for Christmas cause all her family want to ride it and hurt themselves

[Buckets4Me]

My wife says it has to be going for Christmas cause all her family want to ride it and hurt themselves

I can lend youi a round 2 it

but you still wont have it going

I know the universe told me

[koba]

I know the universe told me

Have you been on the cookies again?

[F5 Dave]

Bollocks!

Eunchs are men too!

Stand up for the Eunchs!


Gawsh, this has gone to tacky puns now...

Apparently through time there have been an awful lot of Prince's Harem girls get pregnant to Eunchs. Not the foolproof system it seems. gettin their own back.

[Buckets4Me]

Apparently through time there have been an awful lot of Prince's Harem girls get pregnant to Eunchs. Not the foolproof system it seems. gettin their own back.

probably more pregnant harem girls than finished buckets :killingme

shore chopper isn't Ivan ?

he has started so many bucket builds
but at least he didn't try and change the rules

[richban]

The Debi and Aprilia seem the same. Same factory, so no surprise. I like the KTM and after looking at the promo videos of young kids stunting them. I am sure there will be plenty of crashed ones about soon. The next generation of buckets I suppose.


249981249982249983

[CHOPPA]

probably more pregnant harem girls than finished buckets :killingme

shore chopper isn't Ivan ?

he has started so many bucket builds
but at least he didn't try and change the rules

Im really interested in what you call a finished bucket? I havnt seen one yet

[Henk]

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-419134776.htm

One finished bucket. Cb125 twin. Pretty sure it's been JCed and isn't crap

[koba]

Im really interested in what you call a finished bucket? I havnt seen one yet

See, that's the thing; in competitive classes the machinery has to evolve constantly to keep pace with the competition...

[CHOPPA]

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-419134776.htm

One finished bucket. Cb125 twin. Pretty sure it's been JCed and isn't crap

It really doesnt look safe to me haha Certainly doesnt look like that suspension has been serviced in the last 20 years and I honestly wouldnt know but would that engine be as fast enough to be competitive?

[Henk]

Karl Morgan and Gary Cunningham run up the front at Mt Wellington on these against FXRs and the Diprose RS Framed Derbys so I'd say they can be pretty close to competitive. May not be the prettiest bike out there but the one CBR twin I've ridden had it all over my stock FXR in the engine department

[koba]

my stock FXR

There we go, 'stock' (pipe and carb change maybe).

You do alright dontcha? Still lost the last sidebet though...

[Henk]

Ok, I should have said stockish. As for the side bet, remind me of the score and who's home track it was :)

[koba]

Ok, I should have said stockish. As for the side bet, remind me of the score and who's home track it was :)

Not to mention I was racing by proxy to a faster rider...

[Shorty_925]

Ok, I should have said stockish. As for the side bet, remind me of the score and who's home track it was :)

Im up for a side bet for stockish motor, Bottle of red to you if you can beat me?

[CHOPPA]

Karl Morgan and Gary Cunningham run up the front at Mt Wellington on these against FXRs and the Diprose RS Framed Derbys so I'd say they can be pretty close to competitive. May not be the prettiest bike out there but the one CBR twin I've ridden had it all over my stock FXR in the engine department

Thanks for the info, if I had asked some serious questions before I got my rolling chassis I would have seriously considered that option

[Henk]

Im up for a side bet for stockish motor, Bottle of red to you if you can beat me?

Not a chance sunshine. I'd be on a hiding to nothing, you're bloody fast for a big bloke

[jasonu]

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-419134776.htm

One finished bucket. Cb125 twin. Pretty sure it's been JCed and isn't crap

Out dated frame, suspension, brakes and motor and heavy to boot. Will never do well on a larger track like Taupo.


It really doesnt look safe to me haha Certainly doesnt look like that suspension has been serviced in the last 20 years and I honestly wouldnt know but would that engine be as fast enough to be competitive?

Correct on all counts and no.

[Henk]

Out dated frame, suspension, brakes and motor and heavy to boot. Will never do well on a larger track like Taupo.



Correct on all counts.

If I recall you have been building (for some time) an rs framed bucket with an rg400 barrel and whatever else, someone mention a budget of around two grand?

[jasonu]

If I recall you have been building (for some time) an rs framed bucket with an rg400 barrel and whatever else, someone mention a budget of around two grand?

Sorry mate, I am not sure what point you are trying to make.
I already had the motor (which I built). I have spent well under $1500 for the rest and a fair amount of that came from the sale of parts from my old bucket. Yes it is an ongoing and long term project but it is what I want.

[Henk]

The point I guess I was trying to make is that if you were to start from scratch on an rs framed water cooled 100 the chances of it running to under two grand would be pretty slim. And that is what Choppa had said he had to spend earlier in the thread.
His budget is around what it takes to put a reasonable FXR together not counting time and embuggerance, and people struggle to sell them for that. Choppa at least is coming in with a reasonable budget, others still seem to think that $350 should get you a race winner.

[Drew]

Choppa at least is coming in with a reasonable budget, others still seem to think that $350 should get you a race winner.

You mind telling someone who is gonna build his bike for fuck all (who also knows he likely wont win), where the term "Bucket racer" came from?

It was meant to be done a shoe string, and those that don't are all cheating cunts.

[Henk]

I've heard a number of origins for the name. Not sure what is true. I assume you're referring to the bucket of shit version.

It's still possible to build a bike for fuck all. I just put together a couple of F5 bikes for not a lot of coin.
Having said that, to build a "competitive" bike ten years ago cost about two grand, start with a cb twin, add wide wheels etc. now it's about the same but you start with an FXR.
Yes it is still possible to build a bike for under 300 if you are prepared to wait around for the bits to turn up and don't mind spending a fair bit of time with a spanner in your hand keeping your 30 year old commuter engine going, will it be a shitload of fun? yes, will it get you running at the pointy end of A grade? Not unless you are a complete freak.

[Drew]

I assume you're referring to the bucket of shit version.


I was referring to the version, "built from a bucket of parts".

I know the reality of racing, this wont be my first time. The best prepared guy on the best bike usually wins, or is there abouts at least.

[Henk]

The main reasons I went the FXR route after my first few months punting a CB125 single were

1. I got sick of sticking it back in the van halfway through the day because it was broken
2. I kept falling off the 18 inch bicycle tyres. Not that I've stopped crashing
3. I got bored with getting blitzed by all the other fuckers on FXRs and CB twins.

Managed to sell the old nail for what I paid for it, although it's only been to the track once in the year or so since

[richban]

There is a simple equation. 1 + piece of shit + good intentions = a piece of shit. It is now the year 2011. Don't bother with old shit coz it is shit. Yes you can polish a turd, seen it on myth busters. But fuck it took age's and it still didn't look that shiny.

[Trudes]

I rolled my turd in glitter (well, ok Gold paint....)

[Buckets4Me]

It really doesnt look safe to me haha Certainly doesnt look like that suspension has been serviced in the last 20 years and I honestly wouldnt know but would that engine be as fast enough to be competitive?

if you wanted to come racing with us big boys you would go get it
but if ya scared then make up lots of excuses about why you havent finished that bucket yet

[CHOPPA]

if you wanted to come racing with us big boys you would go get it
but if ya scared then make up lots of excuses about why you havent finished that bucket yet

But I dont just wanna race with you I want to destroy you hahaha

[richban]

But I dont just wanna race with you I want to destroy you hahaha

I think with that attitude young man you should go far.

Well said.

Dead Meat you are.

[wildman]

There is a simple equation. 1 + piece of shit + good intentions = a piece of shit. It is now the year 2011. Don't bother with old shit coz it is shit. Yes you can polish a turd, seen it on myth busters. But fuck it took age's and it still didn't look that shiny.

1+piece of cheap shit + good intensions +young learner rider= me not crying thinking how much it's going to cost me every time he drops it. I can make anything look shiny, have a mate who does electroplating. I'll go back and lurk in the corner now

[Buckets4Me]

But I dont just wanna race with you I want to destroy you hahaha

turban full tank of gass and a lighter will do it you dont need to spend heeps on a bike

[husaberg]

There is a simple equation. 1 + piece of shit + good intentions = a piece of shit. It is now the year 2011. Don't bother with old shit coz it is shit. Yes you can polish a turd, seen it on myth busters. But fuck it took age's and it still didn't look that shiny.
Jeeze... Tell us what you really think.
Look for all we know Choppa's some kind of Idiot savant bucket builder.
I can already see he's at least 20% of the way there already. (Idiot savant master bucket builder.):innocent:
So let him get on with it. Either that or just stop the chit chat and duke it out.
For what it's worth my moneys on the ugly bugger.:girlfight:

[koba]

For what it's worth my moneys on the ugly bugger.:girlfight:

That's sitting on the fence.

[Henk]

Yeah who is that? Covers at least half the field

[ajturbo]

to be honest... i just think he (Chopp) is scared that i maybe there and when i beat him (on the rg50)... BMW will be calling ME on monday....:scooter:

[husaberg]

That's sitting on the fence.

Nah whilst it may be a close run race in the ugly stakes.
A clear winner eventually has emerged.

While both look look they received more than their fair share of beatings in their younger years with the Ugly stick. They both appear to have fallen out of the ugly tree one more than one occasion.
one combatant seems to have had. the said ugly tree fall on top of them as well. A clear winner:bash:

So its clear my moneys on him.:girlfight:

[jasonu]

The best prepared guy on the best bike usually wins, or is there abouts at least.

As it should be, eh.

[Ivan]

Time for me to go out to the shed and continue working onmy shitty old 70's single piece head xl125 and turn it into a fire breathing dragon well not really put on the honda xr200 2 piece head with a ported head thin head gasket and total loss igntion in my JDR Moto4 RSF125 Chassis

[jasonu]

The point I guess I was trying to make is that if you were to start from scratch on an rs framed water cooled 100 the chances of it running to under two grand would be pretty slim. And that is what Choppa had said he had to spend earlier in the thread.
His budget is around what it takes to put a reasonable FXR together not counting time and embuggerance, and people struggle to sell them for that. Choppa at least is coming in with a reasonable budget, others still seem to think that $350 should get you a race winner.

Agreed mate. 2k spent properly and some do it yaself should get you something pretty good. IMO, for what I see them selling for, FXR's are a total bargain and the best thing for Buckets since
RG50's. Slap on some RS wheels, better brakes, fork brace and revalve and you have a potential winner. I am waiting to see someone graft a rear end from a late model RS125 onto one or better still how about an FXR motor in an NX4 RS chassis.

[Bert]

..... I am waiting to see someone graft a rear end from a late model RS125 onto one......
or better still how about an FXR motor in an NX4 RS chassis.

They don't really fit... but others may have more skill and make it work.
We got close with the shortened DR200 swing-arm; which left plenty of options for linkages and better shock setup; at half the weight.

bit a waste of a NX4 don't you think.... (I shouldn't start that conversation again..)

Or maybe just build your own complete frame...:headbang:

[koba]

They don't really fix... still other may have more skill and might make itwokr.

Or maybe just build your own complete frame...:headbang:

It's a worry you edited that for English...

[Bert]

It's a worry you edited that for English...

:killingme far too cross eyed; Sulking about another bucket GP with a bottle of honey Wild turkey...


Time for me to go out to the shed and continue working onmy shitty old 70's single piece head xl125 and turn it into a fire breathing dragon well not really put on the honda xr200 2 piece head with a ported head thin head gasket and total loss igntion in my JDR Moto4 RSF125 Chassis

Photos Ivan... did the fork project work out? how complex was it?

[husaberg]

Time for me to go out to the shed and continue working onmy shitty old 70's single piece head xl125 and turn it into a fire breathing dragon well not really put on the honda xr200 2 piece head with a ported head thin head gasket and total loss igntion in my JDR Moto4 RSF125 Chassis

What piston did you have planed Ivan?
Kicka and me have found some that are either budget or bling.


There are also bigger valved heads other than the XR200 that suit.
and possibly better gearboxes to suit.


seen this today too
http://www.trademe.co.nz/a.aspx?id=421249526

[koba]

:killingme far too cross eyed; Sulking about another bucket GP with a bottle of honey Wild turkey...



As ya do...

[CHOPPA]

So I have purchased the rolling chassis and the CRM 80. I have paid for the CRM but have to pick it up from Morrinsville when I go up to Hampton at the end of the month.

Then it will be the mission of fitting my 8hp beast into my heavy frame :whistle:

[F5 Dave]

some bailing wire should do it.


Or some of that cling wrap stuff they use on pallets.

[White trash]

Or some of that cling wrap stuff they use on pallets.

I've got some of that. Wanna borrow it Choppa?

[F5 Dave]

. . . Then it will be the mission of fitting my 8hp beast into my heavy frame :whistle:

I didn't think you looked that fat. But what you do in the privacy of your own bedroom :pinch:is no concern of ours.

[CHOPPA]

I didn't think you looked that fat. But what you do in the privacy of your own bedroom :pinch:is no concern of ours.

hahahaha I was waiting for that!! :crazy:

[CHOPPA]

Fucken cock sucker!!! Just picked up the 'crm80' its actually a crm50!!!!! He is getting that back!!

Might have to resort to a bloody FXR after all

[Kickaha]

Fucken cock sucker!!! Just picked up the 'crm80' its actually a crm50!!!!!
That would be ok for you while you're learning

[Clivoris]

Fucking epic build story.

[Sketchy_Racer]

Fucken cock sucker!!! Just picked up the 'crm80' its actually a crm50!!!!! He is getting that back!!

Might have to resort to a bloody FXR after all

Stuff that, just get a 80cc mxer man

[Drew]

Fucken cock sucker!!! Just picked up the 'crm80' its actually a crm50!!!!! He is getting that back!!

Might have to resort to a bloody FXR after all

What ever homo, you've lost interest and need an excuse to not finish (or even bloody start) your build!

[husaberg]

Fucken cock sucker!!! Just picked up the 'crm80' its actually a crm50!!!!! He is getting that back!!

Might have to resort to a bloody FXR after all

No need for that F5 field is a little thin and if you are as good as your rep says you are you should still be able to kick everyone's arses on a 50cc anyway. Shouldn't you. ITs only 50cc.

[Moooools]

Go the mighty FXR.

[CHOPPA]

No need for that F5 field is a little thin and if you are as good as your rep says you are you should still be able to kick everyone's arses on a 50cc anyway. Shouldn't you. ITs only 50cc.

haha no need for editing, its kiwibiker after all! I can take as good as I give :woohoo:



Here is the sad proof for ya drew!

Im getting Daddy to take it back tomorrow, I think that will encourage them to give me a refund....

[husaberg]

haha no need for editing, its kiwibiker after all! I can take as good as I give :woohoo:



Here is the sad proof for ya drew!

Im getting Daddy to take it back tomorrow, I think that will encourage them to give me a refund....

Offer it to Special Dave first or Speedpro it could help with a H20 conversion.

[TZ350]

Hmmm a bit interested myself, Grandsons are wanting to get into Buckets. please post a pic of the whole motor.

[CHOPPA]

Hmmm a bit interested myself, Grandsons are wanting to get into Buckets. please post a pic of the whole motor.

I took it back to the seller, he wont give my money back so ill take it to small claims. If I loose that ill take it to the frost family tribunal

[F5 Dave]

What a wonker. Clearly not what it was sold as.

[Clivoris]

Don't forget to claim expenses.

[jasonu]

Smash his face in. (and post the video here)

[husaberg]

I took it back to the seller, he wont give my money back so ill take it to small claims. If I loose that ill take it to the frost family tribunal

Mullins had a link to a much better way than small claims it was hilarious much more fun and lucrative none of that $5 per week small claims stuff.
link will be posted here when i find it. http://www.gpforums.co.nz/showthread.php?threadid=382668&perpage=25&pagenumber=1

Either that or remember the engine you used for the original Photoshop was indeed based on a 50 so either way all is not lost.

Link will be posted here when i can be bothered.http://www.racingsm.org/fp.php?project=crm100

Anyway If you stick with the 50 it will provide a great excuse when you get lapped.
The lack of traction control probably wouldn't cut it as an excuse with the bucket boys.

[CHOPPA]

Mullins had a link to a much better way than small claims it was hilarious much more fun and lucrative none of that $5 per week small claims stuff.
link will be posted here when i find it. http://www.gpforums.co.nz/showthread.php?threadid=382668&perpage=25&pagenumber=1

Either that or remember the engine you used for the original Photoshop was indeed based on a 50 so either way all is not lost.

Link will be posted here when i can be bothered.http://www.racingsm.org/fp.php?project=crm100

Anyway If you stick with the 50 it will provide a great excuse when you get lapped.
The lack of traction control probably wouldn't cut it as an excuse with the bucket boys.


Well I won my court case! Stoked! But he is still refusing to pay so now im forced into going back to plan B. I am giving him 1 more chance to pay before I sell the debt to a few friends in a Tauranga M/C Club....

NZSBK season is only a few weeks from being over so its time to start re looking at my bucket career!!!

[koba]

Jimmy and Drew still haven't beaten you to it...