Article in NZ herald online

[actungbaby]

Hi am disgusted with article in online version of nz herald

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=10762679

To put things like marco body fell of onto ground is really pathetic and disrespectifull and the whole tone story

Complete crap in my opiion gezz in her article in evening standred she even got headline wrong said moto2

:blink::facepalm:

[Taz]

I truly doubt anyone of importance in Marco's life will ever read this.

[imdying]

It's news, and seems reasonably accurate. Your perspective is flawed for whatever reason.

[PrincessBandit]

Have to say it read ok to me.

[pritch]

Only problem I have is the reference to a "fellow Journalist". That would imply that somebody at the Herald is actually a journalist. Somewhat of an exaggeration?

[Bender]

There has been a questionmark over MS's riding for some time. While it is an utter tragedy and robbed MGP of one of its most exciting stars, he was one of those sho pushed it to the max.

If journalists don't raise these questions how is anything every going to be learned from this crash? It's the journalist's job to write this sort of article - what sort of coverage would you have them write?

[dmc]

"But had it taken a tougher line with riders seen as dangerous, it's possible Simoncelli would be alive today."

I think speculating if he was a dangerous rider and if he should have been on the track should really have nothing to do with a story on his death, anyone who has watched him since the Pedrossa accident has seen him be pretty careful to not put himself in positions that could be deemed dangerous.
At the end of the day there are plenty of top riders who push to the limit and he was extremely unlucky to have a normally uneventful lowside turn fatal, If they want to discuss his riding in the past I reckon it should be left til after it settles down and not when discussing someones untimely death.

But then I guess that doesn't make as good a story to just report on his death and the media loves to make stories bigger than they are. I for one don't think Simoncelli's legacy should be tarnished but a couple of suspect passes.

[Jay GTI]

If journalists don't raise these questions how is anything every going to be learned from this crash? It's the journalist's job to write this sort of article - what sort of coverage would you have them write?

It's not actually the journalists job to raise these questions, because they have little or no clue about what they are reporting on. They are just asking the most sensationalist questions they can, with as little effort in presenting a balanced article as possible, any research done is simply what is required to come up with such questions. Some "journos" may claim to be champions of the truth, but at the end of the day their job is to sell advertising space, which they will do by any means. Being honest, balanced, open and fair is not what journalism is about.

"Journalists" such as the brainless monkeys that work at The Herald do not ask the right questions, they do not pressure the safety groups and governing bodies that run such events, they do not lobby against the people that may or may not have contributed to Simoncelli's death until those who should be blamed are done so and punished accordingly. They just figure out what angle they need to write what they need to, to sell what ever it is the media group they work for is selling.

The Herald is a huge, steaming dog turd of a newspaper, with journalists that seem incapable of stringing together the most simple of sentences or even using spell-checker, let alone produce an article that is in any way worth the recycled paper it's printed on.

If questions need to be asked, it's by people involved in the sport, who understand the industry they work in and the dangers and pressures the riders face.

[Shadowjack]

It's not actually the journalists job to raise these questions, because they have little or no clue about what they are reporting on......If questions need to be asked, it's by people involved in the sport, who understand the industry they work in and the dangers and pressures the riders face.

In this case, I think the author of the article might have more than a "little or no clue".

[Sable]

It's disrespectful that you abuse the English language in this manner

[Bender]

Generalised, cliched claptrap.


It's not actually the journalists job to raise these questions, because they have little or no clue about what they are reporting on. They are just asking the most sensationalist questions they can, with as little effort in presenting a balanced article as possible, any research done is simply what is required to come up with such questions. Some "journos" may claim to be champions of the truth, but at the end of the day their job is to sell advertising space, which they will do by any means. Being honest, balanced, open and fair is not what journalism is about.

[Oscar]

But had it taken a tougher line with riders seen as dangerous, it's possible Simoncelli would be alive today.

I'm surprised at Jacqui.
There is no evidence that dangerous riding contributed toward the accident.
It just looked like extremely bad luck to me.

[TIBLE_90]

so your issue with the story is that it goes into detail??:blink: "To put things like marco body fell of onto ground is really pathetic and disrespectifull"

How is it pathetic or disrespectful to describe what took place?

[actungbaby]

so your issue with the story is that it goes into detail??:blink: "To put things like marco body fell of onto ground is really pathetic and disrespectifull"

How is it pathetic or disrespectful to describe what took place?
Because in my mind there no need for it i think was trying to higlight why race should carried on which is stubid

[actungbaby]

I'm surprised at Jacqui.
There is no evidence that dangerous riding contributed toward the accident.
It just looked like extremely bad luck to me.
Yes it personall opion and poor reporting

[actungbaby]

here here

It was just rubbish article she starts out by saying theres going be a investigation then there all her own opions
which most are complete rubbish , so what if there where marks on the track , hello we all know that he tryed to pick up
the bike and veered in the path of the other 2 riders , its all been rulled as tragic freak accident

to me just somone anoyed because the race got stoped and feels cheated that only reason i can imagine why you have
to include that his body feel when he was being moved and your point is ?

I havent heard one rider saying he was riding dangerously that day no one was at fault was a "accident "
and to go around trying stir up here say evidence how can that be a qoute a journlist who ? who
cares is he on the teams racing safety comittee , i hard franko uchinli say that marco helped at meetings himself
and was intellgent rider not some gung ho nutta


It's not actually the journalists job to raise these questions, because they have little or no clue about what they are reporting on. They are just asking the most sensationalist questions they can, with as little effort in presenting a balanced article as possible, any research done is simply what is required to come up with such questions. Some "journos" may claim to be champions of the truth, but at the end of the day their job is to sell advertising space, which they will do by any means. Being honest, balanced, open and fair is not what journalism is about.

"Journalists" such as the brainless monkeys that work at The Herald do not ask the right questions, they do not pressure the safety groups and governing bodies that run such events, they do not lobby against the people that may or may not have contributed to Simoncelli's death until those who should be blamed are done so and punished accordingly. They just figure out what angle they need to write what they need to, to sell what ever it is the media group they work for is selling.

The Herald is a huge, steaming dog turd of a newspaper, with journalists that seem incapable of stringing together the most simple of sentences or even using spell-checker, let alone produce an article that is in any way worth the recycled paper it's printed on.

If questions need to be asked, it's by people involved in the sport, who understand the industry they work in and the dangers and pressures the riders face.

[francohara]

Only problem I have is the reference to a "fellow Journalist". That would imply that somebody at the Herald is actually a journalist. Somewhat of an exaggeration?

LOL ...very true... also the "fellow journalist" who saw the crash probably did so on some crappy youtube video

[Katman]

to me just somone anoyed because the race got stoped and feels cheated

What? So you're simply aggrieved that you didn't get to see the whole race?

[Oakie]

... i can imagine why you have to include that his body feel when he was being moved and your point is ?

The point was that this backed up the earlier statement MS died on the track because if he was still alive they would have been more careful.

As an ex very small-time journo myself it sounded like a reasonable piece of journalism. Provided the whole who, what, when, where, and how with a bit of background fill and it wasn't gratuitous.

[dmc]

The point was that this backed up the earlier statement MS died on the track because if he was still alive they would have been more careful.

As an ex very small-time journo myself it sounded like a reasonable piece of journalism. Provided the whole who, what, when, where, and how with a bit of background fill and it wasn't gratuitous.

but the background was one sided and painted the picture it was just a matter of time before he killed himself or someone else, if they want to bring that up then they need to balance it with the whole story and that wasn't done, so it backs up my comment that it should have been left out of the article all together or discussed in more detail in another article after the investigations around his death are completed.

They didn't talk about any previous crash that Wheldon has been involved in when he was killed so no need for them to included it when Simoncelli dead.

[carbonhed]

What? So you're simply aggrieved that you didn't get to see the whole race?

I know he's bordering on incoherent... but as an interpretation that's just fucking stupid.

[Katman]

I know he's bordering on incoherent...

That's putting it mildly.

[Oakie]

they need to balance it with the whole story and that wasn't done,

What was the 'whole story'? Seriously. I'm not aware of another part to it but then again I don't follow Moto GP all that closely.

[Paul in NZ]

OF COURSE there will be a bloody investigation - Marco died 'at work' in front of millions and and there could be a bunch of reasons why that happened. It was the lack of follow up investigations with appropriate remedial action that caused higher death rates in the past and no one wants to go back to that!!!

I think the whole 'point' of racing is riding 'dangerously' and the reason these guys get paid heaps is that they do it better than most of us. However there is a big difference to riding 'dangerously' in a manner likely to hurt yourself and riding in a manner where you are hurting others. In the latter case there there is every reason to come down on people. If he had been hooking right a few seconds later he could have knocked Edwards and Rossi into the afterlife and what then? He may have survived, they may have died and it may, just may have been because he was being an arse. Let the professionals investigate - have a look at the out comes and then get all worked up.

Getting worked up about an article like that isnt worth the energy.

[oneofsix]

Whilst i agree with Paul that it is not worth getting upset by the article I do think the article itself is just cheap hindsight 'reporting'. Well reporting isn't the right word but we are talking media here. If they were reporting the death then speculation was uncalled for. If it was real concern about Marco's riding then it should have been expressed before the event and is a bit useless and self serving now and doesn't belong in the report of the crash.

[willytheekid]

Personaly...I feel THIS is what should be investigate closely -

"AGV will examine his helmet" (an independant authority should!...not the maker!)
......such a harrowing sight seeing that helmet rolling into the infield.

Makes me concerened in regards to my own AGV lid.....if his top of the line hemet can break a strap...what about my mid range model?...after all....Thats where I store my brain!.

[Paul in NZ]

Whilst i agree with Paul that it is not worth getting upset by the article I do think the article itself is just cheap hindsight 'reporting'. Well reporting isn't the right word but we are talking media here. If they were reporting the death then speculation was uncalled for. If it was real concern about Marco's riding then it should have been expressed before the event and is a bit useless and self serving now and doesn't belong in the report of the crash.

Yeah but shes just rehashed something that came over the wire. It isnt going to get a full on investigation from anyone in NZ is it?

[Paul in NZ]

Makes me concerened in regards to my own AGV lid.....if his top of the line hemet can break a strap...what about my mid range model?...after all....Thats where I store my brain!.

Mate - you have nothing 'additional' to worry about. Your gear will work fine up until you have an off like he did and then get clobbered by two bikes and then???? You gear isnt a supenman outfit and will only prevent abbrasion and a bit of bone breakage if you have the right armour. Face it - every time you throw a leg over your bike you are effectively betting against the house. If you think its upsetting to see this stuff on a track, consider how emergencies services staff feel when they see this daily?

[BoristheBiter]

Whilst i agree with Paul that it is not worth getting upset by the article I do think the article itself is just cheap hindsight 'reporting'.

Isn't all reporting "hindsight" reporting? otherwise it would be forecasting.

I really can't see what people are getting so worked up over, maybe its the fact i don't read crappy newspapers.

[willytheekid]

Mate - you have nothing 'additional' to worry about. Your gear will work fine up until you have an off like he did and then get clobbered by two bikes and then???? You gear isnt a supenman outfit and will only prevent abbrasion and a bit of bone breakage if you have the right armour. Face it - every time you throw a leg over your bike you are effectively betting against the house. If you think its upsetting to see this stuff on a track, consider how emergencies services staff feel when they see this daily?

Hi Paul :wavey:

After 30yrs riding, Im quiet aware of the risks, seen the results first hand and my gears limitations...but I have NEVER seen a top of the line helmet "break" a strap before.
-Hence why AGV are investigating this....because it is NOT meant to happen under any circumstance...especially at this level.

The race track is MUCH safer than the road...and being hit by two bikes is nothing like being hit by a half ton of car or more and having no run off zone.

My question was- Why is the manufacturer doing the investigation? (this should be undertaken by an independant helmet testing facility...like all other tests and investigations..independant means no chance of the company omitting facts or results etc)

I always wear good protective gear for a reason (ATGATT & all that) -So I can keep riding for another 30yrs!....hence why I try to use good quality gear, and top of the list is the helmet! (Its where we store our brains after all)
So I will be following this investigation into the helmet, and if AGV have a possible manufacturing problem...I WILL be binning my lid...No hesitation!!

Thanks for your feedback Paul, always good to hear from you :yes:

[imdying]

lul wot?

<img src="http://www.motifake.com/image/demotivational-poster/small/1106/proper-punctuation-punctuation-demotivational-posters-1307474090.jpg" />

[Oscar]

Hi Paul :wavey:

After 30yrs riding, Im quiet aware of the risks, seen the results first hand and my gears limitations...but I have NEVER seen a top of the line helmet "break" a strap before.
-Hence why AGV are investigating this....because it is NOT meant to happen under any circumstance...especially at this level.



Does anyone know that the helmet strap broke?
Hit at the right angle, the helmet can pop off without breaking the strap (esp. if the strap is not done up properly or the helmet doesn't fit correctly). There was an incidence of this in NZ twenty odd years ago.

It's sad that a long time bike journo like Jacqui feels she has to speculate on this accident based on very little evidence.

[nudemetalz]

I know this is pure speculation, but will it be hurting the AGV helmet sales already?

[oneofsix]

Does anyone know that the helmet strap broke?
Hit at the right angle, the helmet can pop off without breaking the strap (esp. if the strap is not done up properly or the helmet doesn't fit correctly). There was an incidence of this in NZ twenty odd years ago.

It's sad that a long time bike journo like Jacqui feels she has to speculate on this accident based on very little evidence.

Can't imagine that the helmet didn't fit correctly at this level, we aren't talking about some noob street rider buying off the shelf and not knowing about different padding etc.
As for hit angle, this will be why AGV will be investigating. (In)Correct forces, angles etc helmet loss may not be preventable but again this is speculation and that speculation based on the crash being circumstances that are unsurvivable anyhow like the wheel hitting just at the base of the helmet and perhaps dislocating the jaw.
I am now sorry I thought of that. Lets wait for the experts.

[roogazza]

Does anyone know that the helmet strap broke?
Hit at the right angle, the helmet can pop off without breaking the strap (esp. if the strap is not done up properly or the helmet doesn't fit correctly). There was an incidence of this in NZ twenty odd years ago.

It's sad that a long time bike journo like Jacqui feels she has to speculate on this accident based on very little evidence.

Bike journo apprentice more like Oscar. I read another ( aussie this time ) a Jill someone or other, making equally dumb assumptions.

Be better if they stuck to being a life support system for a fanny.

[willytheekid]

[QUOTE=Oscar;1130185769]Does anyone know that the helmet strap broke?
QUOTE]

Still to be confirmed actually, MotoGp online reported the "possible" breakage and several other sites, but some others are saying it was due to his hair and the possibility of him wearing a size to large.

Hence Im rather interested in the final report, as the vid does show the strap flaping around...and it does look very long! (hence the reports of it breaking from the side, not the clip etc)

Only time will tell...Either way its a sad day for the sport :(....I thought he was a wonderful rider to watch & full of possibility

[Katman]

Can't imagine that the helmet didn't fit correctly at this level, we aren't talking about some noob street rider buying off the shelf

I don't know for certain whether the strap broke or the helmet just came off.

However, it has been reported that Simoncelli wore a helmet one size too large for him because of the amount of hair he had to fit inside it.

I'm surprised the MotoGP organisation allowed that. That amount of hair between the skull and helmet lining can't make for a particularly secure fitting.

[onearmedbandit]

Looking at the video, it appears there is a long black strap coming out of one side of the helmet, suggesting the retention system within the helmet broke (not forgetting that from the camera facing the front of the accident it appears Rossi's front wheel goes right over Marco's neck area). And I guarantee that an individual body will look at the helmet as well, just sounds more sensational (on a couple of levels) to imply that only the manufacturer is going to look at it.

[nodrog]

I don't know for certain whether the strap broke or the helmet just came off.

there was a photo of the marshalls picking up his helmet, which shows the buckle still fastened, and the end that is fixed to the helmet ripped out.




However, it has been reported that Simoncelli wore a helmet one size too large for him because of the amount of hair he had to fit inside it.


it wasnt too large for him, it would have been had he not had all that hair. ie, if he still had the same size helmet he had when he was bald, it would not have fitted on his nut.

[Katman]

it wasnt too large for him, it would have been had he not had all that hair. ie, if he still had the same size helmet he had when he was bald, it would not have fitted on his nut.

Yes, probably didn't use the best choice of words.

The point I'm making is the size differential between the size of his skull and the size of the helmet. I'd imagine (because I've never had a head of hair like that to be able to be certain) that that amount of hair would have allowed a fair degree of movement of the helmet.

I know the powers that be can't dictate to us how we should style our hair but I'm surprised that Dorna didn't question the sensibility of squeezing that amount of hair between head and helmet lining.

[nodrog]

Yes, probably didn't use the best choice of words.

The point I'm making is the size differential between the size of his skull and the size of the helmet. I'd imagine (because I've never had a head of hair like that to be able to be certain) that that amount of hair would have allowed a fair degree of movement of the helmet.

I know the powers that be can't dictate to us how we should style our hair but I'm surprised that Dorna didn't question the sensibility of squeezing that amount of hair between head and helmet lining.

You are forgiven. :sunny:

surely its still going to be as tight as it has to be, i mean if abit of compressed hair is going to make a difference, maybe we should all buy xtra small helmets and rip the sponge liners out and jamb them on our heads so there is no movement?

Fucked if I know anyway, I cant even grow hair.

[Maha]

The poor bastard.

[oneofsix]

You are forgiven. :sunny:

surely its still going to be as tight as it has to be, i mean if abit of compressed hair is going to make a difference, maybe we should all buy xtra small helmets and rip the sponge liners out and jamb them on our heads so there is no movement?

Fucked if I know anyway, I cant even grow hair.

As they have some variation in padding to allow for different head shapes and the padding also compresses I don't think the hair would have been a big factor. I don't don't it could be a factor but suspect the foam compresses more than the hair once the hair has been compressed by putting the helmet on.
The comments regarding the strap are a concern. I haven't seen the video of the marshals picking the helmet up but presume the black strap couldn't be his hydration system. I admit I would expect the water line to detach at the bladder. Not sure GP riders even use a hydration system :o

[Paul in NZ]

I would doubt that any helmet strap is designed to take that much impact from that direction. It was a very very unusual accident after all.

I have no problem with the maker looking at the helmet and I suspect that they will be just one group looking.

[Paul in NZ]

Hi Paul :wavey:

After 30yrs riding, Im quiet aware of the risks, seen the results first hand and my gears limitations...but I have NEVER seen a top of the line helmet "break" a strap before.
-Hence why AGV are investigating this....because it is NOT meant to happen under any circumstance...especially at this level.


Mate - given your recent experiences I suspect you are more knowing than many about what gear can and cannot do.... These are experiments I avoid like the plague.

[imdying]

I'm glad the strap let go at the mounting fixture. With that force of whack, the only other result would've been a brain bucket rolling around with a head in it. As nasty as this accident was, better that than that.

[SPman]

The fact that his helmet came off just goes to show the forces involved in the collision..............

[Maha]

Is this crash similar to NZ's own Neville Hiscocks death in SA in 1983?

I maybe wrong but I remember seeing a race years ago (video, way before internet and Youtube) when a rider went down (got up to retrieve his bike or run off the track) and was hit in the head by another bike and killed.

''Neville was currently leading the race, when he fell and suffered severe head injuries. He died soon after never having regained consciousness''

[Oscar]

Is this crash similar to NZ's own Neville Hiscocks death in SA in 1983?

I maybe wrong but I remember seeing a race years ago (video, way before internet and Youtube) when a rider went down (got up to retrieve his bike or run off the track) and was hit in the head by another bike and killed.

''Neville was currently leading the race, when he fell and suffered severe head injuries. He died soon after never having regained consciousness''

Franco Uncini had his helmet knocked off by Wayne Gardner at Assen in 1983.
He survived and is the rider's rep. in MotoGP.

[actungbaby]

yes i think your right was prodution race think remember was more than one bike , i was trying to think i remembered something like this
in mid 80s and then wayne gardner mentioned it he hit the know head rider saftey franko unkinli i cant spell he was 81 world champion on suzuki i think his helmet came of he was in coma for like 6 weeks and wayne got bit flack at the time but was just wrong place wrong time
i just think got be very carefull jumping to quick answers and making other people feel terrible in process
Look arton senna crash know saying his car ground out causing his car to crash , when before rumours all saying his car had steering fault
The team cleared of all fault something like that chould ruin somones life



Is this crash similar to NZ's own Neville Hiscocks death in SA in 1983?

I maybe wrong but I remember seeing a race years ago (video, way before internet and Youtube) when a rider went down (got up to retrieve his bike or run off the track) and was hit in the head by another bike and killed.

''Neville was currently leading the race, when he fell and suffered severe head injuries. He died soon after never having regained consciousness''

[actungbaby]

yes thats part got me had night mares about poor marco accident way helmet came of must pulled the strap through the d rings beacuse strap seemed to be right length agv will look into it but your probley right


I'm glad the strap let go at the mounting fixture. With that force of whack, the only other result would've been a brain bucket rolling around with a head in it. As nasty as this accident was, better that than that.

[imdying]

I think when all is said and done, the only thing that they'll be able to take away from it, is that motor racing is dangerous.

I'm not a racer, but I think if I were, I'd rather go like that than getting squashed by a truck like happened to Norifumi Abe. Least he kicked the bucket doing what he loved.

Does this mean Dovi keeps his job?

[Oscar]

I think when all is said and done, the only thing that they'll be able to take away from it, is that motor racing is dangerous.

I'm not a racer, but I think if I were, I'd rather go like that than getting squashed by a truck like happened to Norifumi Abe. Least he kicked the bucket doing what he loved.

Does this mean Dovi keeps his job?

I doubt it.

I heard Dovi is pretty bloody stoked with his Tech 3 deal and has a full works Yamaha in his future (prob. 2013).

[actungbaby]

I surpose am concerned to for selfess reasons whouldint want my helmet to come of either
But i rode into back land rover once and was wearing full face helmet and i still got cut under the chin still got the scares,
so helmet must move to some extent .
I did wonder if marco having all that hair whould made the helmet more prone to moving though the strap should stop that as well


Does anyone know that the helmet strap broke?
Hit at the right angle, the helmet can pop off without breaking the strap (esp. if the strap is not done up properly or the helmet doesn't fit correctly). There was an incidence of this in NZ twenty odd years ago.

It's sad that a long time bike journo like Jacqui feels she has to speculate on this accident based on very little evidence.

Thats what upset me to too esp as not here to defend himself

[Oscar]

I surpose am concerned to for selfess reasons whouldint want my helmet to come of either
But i rode into back land rover once and was wearing full face helmet and i still got cut under the chin still got the scares,
so helmet must move to some extent .
I did wonder if marco having all that hair whould made the helmet more prone to moving though the strap should stop that as well



Thats what upset me to too esp as not here to defend himself


When I was an ACU Steward, we had to check helmets by having the guys wear them and then attempting to pull the helmet from the back (just over the collar) upwards and forward over the head.

[actungbaby]

When I was an ACU Steward, we had to check helmets by having the guys wear them and then attempting to pull the helmet from the back (just over the collar) upwards and forward over the head.

Yes i think remember hearing that think helmet that wearing that day was little to big for me so probley why moved up
I managed to put my head through rear window not remember that part was only at like 30kph wasint injured apart from
needing some sticths

[rachprice]

'who in their haste to cross the small wall separating them from the infield ambulance dropped his body - a carelessness unlikely had he been alive'

That is crap, they were probably just pumped full of adrenaline, wanting to get him to the medical centre to try and save him!

I didn't watch it, but wasn't it Bautista that he was battling with?'

And yeah suggesting it was because of his dangerous riding is also bullshit, no doubt he could be loose but it was just one of those weird things, something happens that wouldn't normally happen

It definitely could have been written better

[carbonhed]

'who in their haste to cross the small wall separating them from the infield ambulance dropped his body - a carelessness unlikely had he been alive'

That is crap, they were probably just pumped full of adrenaline, wanting to get him to the medical centre to try and save him!

I didn't watch it, but wasn't it Bautista that he was battling with?'

And yeah suggesting it was because of his dangerous riding is also bullshit, no doubt he could be loose but it was just one of those weird things, something happens that wouldn't normally happen

It definitely could have been written better

I agree with this.

It was Bautista he'd been battling with but he wasn't under any huge pressure when he fell off.

Also... your helmet is bound to disintegrate eventually. The alternative would probably have been for his head to come clean off his shoulders and I think that would have scarred me for life. Bad enough seeing him sliding face down and unresponsive... just a fkn tragedy.

[Oakie]

Yes i think remember hearing that think helmet that wearing that day was little to big for me so probley why moved up
I managed to put my head through rear window not remember that part was only at like 30kph wasint injured apart from
needing some sticths

Where's Hitcher when you need him?

[carbonhed]

Where's Hitcher when you need him?

Probably having a seizure.

[actungbaby]

This is better

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2011/Oct/111024-34-rip-sic.htm

from kevin schwantz thought was cool marco did remind me of kevins style mind you says in there thought marco was too tall
gezz kevin looked all legs elbows on his rgv :yes:



'who in their haste to cross the small wall separating them from the infield ambulance dropped his body - a carelessness unlikely had he been alive'

That is crap, they were probably just pumped full of adrenaline, wanting to get him to the medical centre to try and save him!

I didn't watch it, but wasn't it Bautista that he was battling with?'

And yeah suggesting it was because of his dangerous riding is also bullshit, no doubt he could be loose but it was just one of those weird things, something happens that wouldn't normally happen

It definitely could have been written better

[rachprice]

This is better

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2011/Oct/111024-34-rip-sic.htm

from kevin schwantz thought was cool marco did remind me of kevins style mind you says in there thought marco was too tall
gezz kevin looked all legs elbows on his rgv :yes:

Yeah bless they seemed very close

Thought though, past tense (previously thought, not just because he passed)

[actungbaby]

Yes was nice to see good they enjoyed life away from the sport liked his food didnt he

found this as well very touching from his dad they say hes very strong man u can tell from his words
also answrs that strecther qwestion very well so glad he was there with his son
I did think marco didnt seem him self on the grid very quiet

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/95668





Yeah bless they seemed very close

Thought though, past tense (previously thought, not just because he passed)

[Oakie]

Probably having a seizure.

Well if he (Hitcher) wasn't already, parts of this thread would do it for him.

[MarkH]

Only problem I have is the reference to a "fellow Journalist". That would imply that somebody at the Herald is actually a journalist. Somewhat of an exaggeration?

Heh, delusions of adequacy.