Jaden Hassan

[steveyb]

I do not use Arsebook, so anyone with any news on how Gayden fared in Japan?
Cheers
Steve

[wayne]

nzsbk.....................

[gixerracer]

I do not use Arsebook, so anyone with any news on how Gayden fared in Japan?
Cheers
Steve

Shit:facepalm:

[codgyoleracer]

Very mature report and a lot to sink in there.

[steveyb]

Shit:facepalm:

Nah man, I reckon that is a pretty good showing for a first time racing outside NZ on a different bike at a really daunting track.

Good stuff, great write up and here's hoping he (and others) get more opportunities.

[jellywrestler]

Shit:facepalm:yep he had a bit of bad luck but he still got back on his feet and finished 24 of 37 on a six kilometer circuit with fucking fast corners to learn, not like our 2 and a bit kilometer tracks mostly at slow speeds
I'd take my hat off to him, if I wore one that is, and hope he gets a chance to have another shot at it all

[Shaun]

Can some one please post the full link for a moron like me

I was very Happy for Jaden when he and his told me about the ride in Japan with Joshimura

Having raced in Japan myself and having watched Jaden in NZ for the last 2 years I really thought it was going to be very very very hard for him!

I DO THINK he is a talented rider, but maybe not mentally strong enough as yet for such a test?

Not knocking him at all, just saying it as I see it

Now to Actually read the whole report when link is posted for me

[jellywrestler]

http://www.nzsbk.com/2011/11/race-report-learning-experience-for.html



try this Shaun

[Shaun]

http://www.nzsbk.com/2011/11/race-report-learning-experience-for.html



try this Shaun


Cheers Dude

[Shaun]

"QUOTE FROM JAYDENS REPORT"

Overall a fairly disappointing weekend but one that will hopefully teach me alot and give me the base to find the extra pace I need to be competitive overseas. With new everything it was always going to be hard but my biggest mistake was under estimating the riding level overseas,


" we really are a small pond in a big ocean"

Bloody good effort mate, But BOLLOCKS to this statement.

The fact of the matter is you are Way to aggressive on the throttle as you have been for the last 2 years in NZ on 600z

And as I said in my post above about you, I do not believe you are mentally strong enough yet, sorry to say

Study John Ross, Choopa, Stroudy, Johny Small, and learn about mind set and attitude, that will be your best improved tool in your tool box mate

[budda]

Nah man, I reckon that is a pretty good showing for a first time racing outside NZ on a different bike at a really daunting track.

Good stuff, great write up and here's hoping he (and others) get more opportunities.

Agreed, great write up Jaden. Cant be easy, but you give an honest appraisal of your weekend, and I sincerely hope you get the opportunity to do something similar again, but this time with the benefit of the changes you will no doubt make now that you understand just what it is to try something more than a little bit different to what you've been used to

Cant ask for more of yourself than your best ; now you know what you need to do, find a way to get back there and show what you've learned this coming Season

Carry on, Young Man .........

Buddha

[Shaun]

QUOTE FROM JAYDENS REPORT"

Overall a fairly disappointing weekend but one that will hopefully teach me alot and give me the base to find the extra pace I need to be competitive overseas. With new everything it was always going to be hard but my biggest mistake was under estimating the riding level overseas,


" we really are a small pond in a big ocean"

Bloody good effort mate, But BOLLOCKS to this statement.




I SAID

The fact of the matter is you are Way to aggressive on the throttle as you have been for the last 2 years in NZ on 600z


Obviosly some one else thought the same and has been advising you mate, according to your race report read else where


Exellent work yesterday Jadden and team

[Kiwi Graham]

The boy did good mate!

Lap record in the second race 1:06:155, won both races and gapped Sketchy after passing into the first corner.

Glen and Dennis have got a new play mate for the Nationals for sure.

[SWERVE]

Yep............ a fantastic ride/s from Jaden at HD.
Dont forget John Ross is also in the picture for Nats........... but if Jaden carries yesterdays form into Nats..... i wouldnt like to bet against him
WELL DONE

[Damien_Toman]

When I saw Jaden in late November, at the last bucket races (supporting his also fast younger bro' at Mt. Wellington), his leg was in a cast! He is not only demonstrating a super-fast recovery and winning on his return, he is just discovering his talents! He should gain serious sponsorship to represent NZ in international races. Yesterday's races leave me with no doubts.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/dty1/6491439471/sizes/o/in/set-72157628355073499/


Damien

(Racer and photographer for 30 years).

[Shaun]

one season in the FormulaXtreme championship in Australia would be my move if I was him, there are a few very fast riders in that class

[Mental Trousers]

When I saw Jaden in late November, at the last bucket races (supporting his also fast younger bro' at Mt. Wellington), his leg was in a cast!

His sister was walking around in a cast on Saturday. What the hell do they do in that household??

I would've been very surprised if Jaden hadn't won at Hampton Downs. I'll be very surprised if Sketchy doesn't do the same at Manfeild. At Wanganui it could be all on.

[Mort]

1:06.15 at Hampton Downs on Saturday - that was impressive. A great young talent.

[Kiwi Graham]

Jaden isn't going to Wanganui.
His sis had a car crash
And plans are a foot (excuse the pun) to get him accross the ditch or even to Europe ;)

[gixerracer]

one season in the FormulaXtreme championship in Australia would be my move if I was him, there are a few very fast riders in that class

OZ is a waste of time and money unless thats your goal to race in OZ. If they want sucsess then europe or BSB is the only option in this day and age not much point wasting a year and 100k in OZ all there top level riders are trying to get overseas also

[Shaun]

OZ is a waste of time and money unless thats your goal to race in OZ. If they want sucsess then europe or BSB is the only option in this day and age not much point wasting a year and 100k in OZ all there top level riders are trying to get overseas also



your crashes are making you stupid man

it would cost $18k to do all 6 rounds of the Formulaxtreme+ air fares from NZ

If Jadden could run in the top 3 all the time at new tracks, he would prove to himself and potentuall backers that he does have what it takes, and not just a track specialist

Your distorted figure is what it would take to head down the rout you suggest

Back to the sand pit now buddy

[wayne]

between mid 30ks to 40k for aussy asbk

[Damien_Toman]

OZ is a waste of time and money unless thats your goal to race in OZ. If they want sucsess then europe or BSB is the only option in this day and age not much point wasting a year and 100k in OZ all there top level riders are trying to get overseas also

I totally agree with you, Gixerracer. A few British Superbike rounds would be perfect.

I watched The Croz make his mark in England in the early 80's. I was even there at his very 1st race at Brands Hatch. He was fantastic on the old Moriwaki Kawasaki. Everyone was blown away! He had never seen the track before and was showing the experts the way 'round - even in the wet. I watched Crosby sliding the front end around Clearways corner - nobody could do that! He did. And, stayed on. He was an instant sensation.

He was very quickly offered a works GP ride - his book tells the story well.

Jaden is also awesome in the wet - that requires good brake and throttle control.

Damien

[steveyb]

I realise that I have not been there and done that, but one does not necessarily need to have been there and done that to understand a few things.
I have been looking hard at what is going on in the world of bike racing and my conclusions are thus (which I have posted here previously) and I am ducking for cover.........NOW.....

If you want to have fun bike racing and maybe rise to the top in a small pond, stay in NZ. Nothing wrong with that.

If you want to race against some really fast guys, but ultimately waste money and maybe get shat on, go to Oz. Some merit depending on your ambitions, because let's face it, not everyone and really not many people will have the resources to go elsewhere. So really, nothing wrong with that if your ambitions are not higher. If they are, read on......

If you want to race against a small number of some of the best riders in the world AND make money, go to the USA. But the economy over there might need a little while to fix itself up right at the minute.

If you want a stepping stone into the European scene and only speak english, go to the UK. You will need money but paid rides are available and the BSB 600SS and SBK are the best national championships in the world.

If you want to be world champion (all other things being equal e.g. age, experience, size etc etc) go to Spain or at least Italy and some Spain rounds.
You will need serious money and serious logistical support to race in CEV (Spain), but in Italy the level at the moment is not so high, so a real talent might just be able to stick their heads above the crowd and the Italians will be much more accommodating than the Spanish will be. At this point, it would help if you had managed to get into Rookies Cup......

CEV is the best place to race Moto2 and Moto3 outside of the World Championships.

I have some experience. My good friend was CIV 125GP champion 2005. For him it was simply expected, not living a dream, or a lofty goal, that he would progress to World Championship after that. He did not set the world on fire there, but he raced 4 seasons in 125, got points, and did half season in 250 and half season in 600 Superstock.

Japan is another option, but language can be a barrier and it really seems that Japanese riders are not breaking out into the world in the numbers they did 10-15 years ago. There should be a handful of Japanese riders in 125GP/Moto3 but there is not. Shaun knows about racing in Japan, but I humbly suggest the scene may have changed a bit since then with the economic situation.

Look to see what Wayne Garnder is doing. He has the money and contacts, so good on him, but the path they are putting Remy on is the ladder to the top. He has not raced at any serious level in Australia (mainly cos he lives is Europe).

My 2c worth, for what it is worth. Oh, and by You, I mean the collective You, not Jaden. They are able to decide for themselves. They are doing a good job of it so far....

DUCK.......!!!!!

[gixerracer]

your crashes are making you stupid man

it would cost $18k to do all 6 rounds of the Formulaxtreme+ air fares from NZ

If Jadden could run in the top 3 all the time at new tracks, he would prove to himself and potentuall backers that he does have what it takes, and not just a track specialist

Your distorted figure is what it would take to head down the rout you suggest

Back to the sand pit now buddy

Plus 30-40k for a bike so there 50-60k plus crashes etc my budget is spot on and was talking Nationals as if you want stuff on your CV it needs to be National championship wins or it dont mean shit

[gixerracer]

between mid 30ks to 40k for aussy asbk

Again plus a bike plus travel from NZ of living in oz plus mechains and helpers it goes on and on and if you wana win you gota do it properly or its a waste of time

[slowpoke]

One big advantage with Oz is that you can make such farkin' good money over there, so if you're a young fulla/fullessa I don't know why you wouldn't just move to Oz full stop. Obviously Jaden is a bit young but he's the exception, most of our riders coming through at much older ages.

[jellywrestler]

Plus 30-40k for a bike so there 50-60k plus crashes etc my budget is spot on and was talking Nationals as if you want stuff on your CV it needs to be National championship wins or it dont mean shit

how much of that is set aside for pies?

[Mental Trousers]

Anything that gets rides outside EN ZUD is good progress. Jaden did well on the Moriwaki 600, although the crash wasn't at all helpful. But he needs to get more rides overseas. Anywhere. We can't be picky here cos we're at the arse end of nowhere where motor racing is concerned.

[Damien_Toman]

Jaden's back tyre very low in practice session. I expect he fixed that for the race :).
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[Robert Taylor]

Jaden's back tyre very low in practice session. I expect he fixed that for the race :).
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Thats actually pretty standard acceleration deformation on a Pirelli / Metzeler radial ply construction tyre. It increases the footprint and therefore available grip. Excepting possibly that shot may have been taken when we briefly tested a slightly firmer rear compression valving spec that proved to be ''a bridge too far'', thereby over-working and stressing the tyre. That is the only way to go forward, try say 10 things, and even if only a couple work the effort is worthwhile. Fortunately Jaden has a very sharp intellect and is very amenable and subjective about testing stuff.
I wish I could find a shot that Ohlins sent me of a similiar scenario with a Pirelli on Spies WSBK winning Yamaha.

[Damien_Toman]

Thats actually pretty standard acceleration deformation on a Pirelli / Metzeler radial ply construction tyre. It increases the footprint and therefore available grip. Excepting possibly that shot may have been taken when we briefly tested a slightly firmer rear compression valving spec that proved to be ''a bridge too far'', thereby over-working and stressing the tyre. That is the only way to go forward, try say 10 things, and even if only a couple work the effort is worthwhile. Fortunately Jaden has a very sharp intellect and is very amenable and subjective about testing stuff.
I wish I could find a shot that Ohlins sent me of a similiar scenario with a Pirelli on Spies WSBK winning Yamaha.

Interesting. Thanks for the explanation. When I feel my back end move, not sliding, just when soft, I find it improves overall handling to add a bit more air - especially for stability on faster corners.

[Robert Taylor]

Interesting. Thanks for the explanation. When I feel my back end move, not sliding, just when soft, I find it improves overall handling to add a bit more air - especially for stability on faster corners.

Yes but it also has to be in harmony with the suspension setting, internally. Theres a hell of an interaction going between the tyres and the suspension setting and all too often tyre problems are caused by ''incorrect'' suspension setting

[Kiwi Graham]

Just to put it into perspective (and it’s what fellow racers are more than aware of regarding the commitment involved)

Jaden has worked tirelessly to get to where he is now; his father has dedicated so much time and money it is scary to calculate. He has brought in the best they can afford in terms of race engineering (Dave Cole), suspension services (Rob Taylor), and Tyres (Metzeler) the bike curtsy of Jamie and Yamaha for supplying the parts as well as several component and cash sponsors.

The hrs and hrs spent testing and developing the bike, his skills, his fitness plus listening to trusted mentors and working on different techniques. At times he has pushed a little too hard and paid the price with injury and repairs but is always keen to get back on the bike and go again.
Many people have helped and supported Jaden get to this level believing in his ability not only at riding a motorcycle quickly but at giving accurate feedback on his return to the pits so fine tuning can be done in many aspects of the bike. He has an uncanny ability of being able to determine and explain what is happening to the bike at any given spot on the circuit and offer a direction for the team to look at developing.

This is a massive year for him, second season on a 600, first on a supersport bike and a belief he can contend for the #1 plate in this coming seasons Nationals.
Some may know about his ride in Japan, he raised a few eyebrows over there for all the reasons I’ve mentioned above and we look at Europe and Australia as an obvious next move.

The lad clearly has a talent that needs to be maximised and those of us that have helped and supported him are trying very hard to see him have the opportunity to reach those potentials. Provided he stays relatively injury free and the doors that are being knocked on open up, who knows we may have the next NZ big name in international motorcycle racing one day alongside Aaron Slight, Graeme Crosby, Simon Crafar and Andrew Stroud. Who knows for sure but here’s hoping.

[SWERVE]

+1 to your post Kiwi Graham.
I believe Jaden has that X factor... as do a couple of other young riders at present. One of whom will also make his mark at Nationals and hopefully in Europe next year. The other will be on a 600 next season.... and will turn heads.
It would be good if one of them got the breaks and chance to prove themselves on the world stage........... even better if 2 or 3 did!
There are a few people within NZ currently working on getting "their rider" into the pro racing classes......... maybe more of a joint effort is needed.
With so many (even younger) riders coming into the lower ranks and showing potential i believe the doors that will be opened should be engineered to stay open for others to follow.
IMHO.

[cowpoos]

Jaden's back tyre very low in practice session. I expect he fixed that for the race :).
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Whats wrong with that?

[cowpoos]

Whats wrong with that?


seems I was beat to my point....

With a hell of a good explaination....my bad :)




Thats actually pretty standard acceleration deformation on a Pirelli / Metzeler radial ply construction tyre. It increases the footprint and therefore available grip. Excepting possibly that shot may have been taken when we briefly tested a slightly firmer rear compression valving spec that proved to be ''a bridge too far'', thereby over-working and stressing the tyre. That is the only way to go forward, try say 10 things, and even if only a couple work the effort is worthwhile. Fortunately Jaden has a very sharp intellect and is very amenable and subjective about testing stuff.
I wish I could find a shot that Ohlins sent me of a similiar scenario with a Pirelli on Spies WSBK winning Yamaha.

[quickbuck]

....
With so many (even younger) riders coming into the lower ranks and showing potential i believe the doors that will be opened should be engineered to stay open for others to follow.
IMHO.

I agree.... Having raced (briefly) against Tyler Lincoln, Aaron Hassen, Jacob Stroud, and Rogan Chandler I know these guys learn like sponges.
They will follow for a lap or two at a new track, nek minnit they will be using your lines, but using the bike much more effectively due to their power to weight advantage.
The names I have mentioned will most likely have counterparts in Auckland and Christchurch (like Max and Seth) that will so a long way with the right support too.

Back to Jaden, he indeed has what it takes in my opinion too. Will be great to see him, John Ross and Scetchy battle it out as the young guns in the Nats.

[DidJit]

It was spectacular watching Jaden Hassan yesterday. So far ahead — and just so fast! Impressive riding by Skachill and Charlett too. By quite a few of the Supersport class actually.

[Cleve]

Jaden was great to watch. Very spectacular where I saw him coming into the hairpin (both wheels sliding)...Another young up and coming 600 rider who has the goods to go further.