Kevlar jeans

[SMOKEU]

I'm looking for some riding jeans as my riding pants are unbearably hot in summer as they're similar to ski pants. Draggin jeans are way out of my price range, so I'm looking at spending no more than $150. I've seen a pair of new Shift Lodown jeans on Trademe for $99, and a few other different kevlar jeans on Trademe as well for less than $150 new. Can anyone here recommend a pair?

I'd prefer to buy jeans from a shop so I can try them on first but I won't rule out buying them online if the price is right.

[devo]

think hard before you skimp on riding gear
they may literally save your arse

[StoneY]

think hard before you skimp on riding gear
they may literally save your arse

What he said...this man is wise beyond my years
:bleh:

[darkwolf]

When I was looking I ended up going for Cordura. The cheaper priced jeans only have Kevlar in keys points. So if you come off and skid on your ass, knees, side you should be OK but if you skid somewhere else then it's just denim in between you and the road.

Then again, the denim used in these type of jeans are better than what you would expect in a pair from Warehouse/Hallensteins but isn't really going to do the job if you need it.

[FJRider]

think hard before you skimp on riding gear
they may literally save your arse

But he'll have some really cool scars ... chicks dig scars ... right ....


and whats a little pain ... for a few months ... or more ...

[mikemike104]

Apart from the obvious lack of impact protection and patchy kevlar cover... I wear a pair of Dririder Jeans everyday to work and back, very comfortable.. paid $179 from Boyd's about 4-5 months ago.

[ckai]

I've got a pair of Cortech ones. In two minds about them. I think I paid maybe $100-150 max for them. The stitching around one of the pockets is coming undone (double stitched so not fazed) and stitching around the belt line had come undone. Maybe had them for 3-4 years. Just got them repaired and it cost me a massive $5. They've got pockets in the knees for armour.

Would I buy that brand again? Dunno to be honest. I suppose I'd compare the way they're made etc to others. But couldn't really argue with the price. They're not a bland pair either. They're the trendy 'worn' look. I look cool bananas in them :)

[turtleman]

If the reason is just because you're too hot, then just wear normal Jeans.
The Kevalr ones will give you a false sense of security - "Yeah - I got some motorcycle protection", but at the end of the day, they aint gonna save ya. Any impact of a knee (or other pointy body part) on the tarmac will quite often do the damage, usually holing the jeans (through the 'kevlar' lining), and you lose yer skin anyway (as well as the impact injury).

If Leather/cordura is too hot, you just gotta HTFU or wear jeans - kevlar lined are just a rip-off, if you ask me, preying on the minds of uninformed motorcyclists. They will give better abrasion protection than standard denim, but by the time you're sliding (after initial impact and roll) it'll be too late for them to be effective.

And if anyone says that it's only for short trips or "only around town" then the above applies as well - you might as well just wear normal ol' Levi's

just my $0.10 (because 5c is defunct)

[SMOKEU]

I wonder if it's worth getting normal jeans and putting some armour in them around my knees and ass.

[Berries]

Just don't fall off.

[LBD]

I use a pair of Kevlar lined jeans on warm days ..often with knee protectors. Problem I find is on longer rides my delicate skin chaffs from the more abrasive kevlar, so I have taken to wearing light (or heavy) long johns underneath, not AS cool but still breaths nice.

Longer trips are anything 250km plus...

[akkadian]

I use Draggin jeans with knox armour in knees and hips. Have had an off, I was on the back and the egg dropped it going over train tracks, and they worked fine. Massive bruises and scratched back where jacket pulled up but no damage under the jeans. We were doing maybe 40kph. They were wearing normal jeans and are still pulling gravel out of cuts 2 months on so I'll stick with kevlar thanks :)

[Murray]

The stitching around one of the pockets is coming undone (double stitched so not fazed)

Thats strange because I've never seen you with your hands in your pocket

:wings:

[ckai]

Thats strange because I've never seen you with your hands in your pocket

:wings:

When you have Kahuna's the size of mine you'd play with them all the time too.

Be gone troll :bleh:

[Gone Burger]

think hard before you skimp on riding gear
they may literally save your arse

I was wearing draggon slicks when i crashed. They tore at the bottom and rode all the way up my leg when caught on barbed wire/ Leg is still in a very bad way with a major scar all the way down the side where a large flap of skin tore away from the bone. Jeans didn't protect me even slightly, have now brought leather with armour and will ride in even on a hot hot day. Leg inuury has been the worst, and unfortunately it was thanks to those jeans (oh, and crashing - my bad)

[dangerous]

*humph* as above, why the hell anyone thinks reionforced jeans are worth a pinch of shit ill never know, seen the results myself and rate them no more than a pair of shorts.

[Ocean1]

*humph* as above, why the hell anyone thinks reionforced jeans are worth a pinch of shit ill never know, seen the results myself and rate them no more than a pair of shorts.

*Shrugs* I wear Rhino kevlar trou on hot days, this after the Dragon's fell apart. Mine are armoured at the knee and thigh but I don't actually think the usual minimalist armour in most road kit will help with impact protection. I use them for the abrasion resistance, I'm more scared of skin grafts than broken bones.

If I butt heads with a Kenworth I don't actually expect to survive so what I wear isn't really relevant, there.

[caseye]

Rhino Jeans from Lifestyle will set you back about $150.00, they are armoured in the hip and knee and are Kevlar lined across the arse and down the thigh. I have a pair and yes for around town and short runs I use them.
Hi Ya Katiepie,hope all is going well mate.
I also have my Q Moto leather trou and jacket and on any longish trips that's what I wear regardless of conditions.Not rich, it took time, but I'm very glad to have them now.
The mind fuck that any protection is better than no protection is a hard one to get around.If you come off in town at 50 K's wearing denim/armoured denim are you going to come off as well as if you were wearing leather? Probably not, but hey it's a trade off and it's your call.
Once I only had cordura and wore it religiously, never needed it, now I have a choice and I make that choice dependant on distance, location and road conditions.
Sometimes we get lucky, no scratches or major lumps and bumps, other times no amount of gear was going to stop you buying the farm.

[dangerous]

*Shrugs* I wear Rhino kevlar trou on hot days, this after the Dragon's fell apart. Mine are armoured at the knee and thigh but I don't actually think the usual minimalist armour in most road kit will help with impact protection. I use them for the abrasion resistance, I'm more scared of skin grafts than broken bones.

If I butt heads with a Kenworth I don't actually expect to survive so what I wear isn't really relevant, there.

What I have seen is the 'suposed kevlar armor' (I believe you can get hard armor now) tearing out of the jean and floating away in the dust leaving no protection, your post makes good sence.

[carver]

how about shift hybrid pants?

[Fast Eddie]

If the reason is just because you're too hot, then just wear normal Jeans.
The Kevalr ones will give you a false sense of security - "Yeah - I got some motorcycle protection", but at the end of the day, they aint gonna save ya. Any impact of a knee (or other pointy body part) on the tarmac will quite often do the damage, usually holing the jeans (through the 'kevlar' lining), and you lose yer skin anyway (as well as the impact injury).

If Leather/cordura is too hot, you just gotta HTFU or wear jeans - kevlar lined are just a rip-off, if you ask me, preying on the minds of uninformed motorcyclists. They will give better abrasion protection than standard denim, but by the time you're sliding (after initial impact and roll) it'll be too late for them to be effective.

And if anyone says that it's only for short trips or "only around town" then the above applies as well - you might as well just wear normal ol' Levi's

just my $0.10 (because 5c is defunct)

Amen to that, being a regular jeans and leather jacket rider I can add that standard jeans do a fine job even at a playful pace around the twistys. I've come off in regular denim, good quality but less than $100.00 for sure, 'cause im a tight c*nt. Anyway I've come off a couple times at playful speeds, nothing more than 100, usually like 50-70 thru twisties/hills and around town speeds and yea. Its the impact that hurts but normal jeans are fine they don't wear thru even with a bit of a tumble and slide until u come to a stop. Its the impact that hurts ya! and kevlar won't do anymore than regular jeans.

best just not to come off.. then u can ride naked. Which is awesome by the way.

[Ocean1]

What I have seen is the 'suposed kevlar armor' (I believe you can get hard armor now) tearing out of the jean and floating away in the dust leaving no protection, your post makes good sence.

Yes, I've never used cargo pants style riding gear for that reason. If it's to have any effect the kevlar, (and armour) has to stay put right where it's needed. You're never going to cover all eventualities, (or even most of them) but I reckon a good fit and good strong closures are paramount.

[GrayWolf]

I was wearing draggon slicks when i crashed. They tore at the bottom and rode all the way up my leg when caught on barbed wire/ Leg is still in a very bad way with a major scar all the way down the side where a large flap of skin tore away from the bone. Jeans didn't protect me even slightly, have now brought leather with armour and will ride in even on a hot hot day. Leg inuury has been the worst, and unfortunately it was thanks to those jeans (oh, and crashing - my bad)

reading this post, I cant see how the 'jeans' are to blame?? IF as it seems they were worn like any normal pair of trousers? (not tucked inside a pair of proper motorcycle boots a la MX style boots) then even 'cordura' pants would likely have 'snagged up' and ripped as well. With the trousers tucked inside 'proper' bike boots, the trousers are less likely to snag and ride up the leg.
What unfortunately is passed as Cordura (dupont) often is NOT dupont Cordura, and frequently is 4-600 weight, sometimes with 8-900 weight reinforcing over high impact area's. Unless you are paying top dollar for a QUALITY brand that isnt 'just' CE approved armour and actualy IS certified 8-900 'weight' dupont Cordura... then you are still using an 'inferior quality' material. Have a look at most jackets in your local bike store(s) and see how many of them actualy have tags along with the 'CE' armour that states this is a CORDURA garment, not impact/friction/abrasion resistant nylon material.
I think maybe your injury is one of those unfortunate ones where any material may have suffered ripping and riding up your leg,,, maybe leather would have been the only material that would not have suffered such terminal damage.
Unfortunately most standard bike gear is made to a cost, or fashion look.... There are many of us who remember the sensible gear, bib n brace trousers
double zipped jackets etc... YES some modern materials ARE superior to those of old,,,, BUT if I am sliding head first down the road, Velcro, stud poppers and a plastic zip aint gonna stay together and hold my pants in place... a good old fashioned 'belt buckle' strap across the front, or bib n brace is NOT going to burst open, and leave your pants sliding down around your arse!

[psykonosis]

I've always used Draggin' Jeans though each pair can be quite pricey compared to cheaper options like Rhino or Horni Jeans. Never used protection plates with the jeans either as they become too bulky. If you come off a bike the kevlar should stop the fabric melting into your skin but you can still be susceptible to friction burns. I like the style of the draggins and haven't "tested" their capabilities by falling off...touch wood I never do :)

[dangerous]

If you come off a bike the kevlar should stop the fabric melting into your skin but you can still be susceptible to friction burns.Well mate sorry to say but every situation I have seen the kevlar rips out and floats away in the brezz and serious injury to the arse and legs acures, oddley ya dont crash lik the add for dragons show.

[GrayWolf]

Well mate sorry to say but every situation I have seen the kevlar rips out and floats away in the brezz and serious injury to the arse and legs acures, oddley ya dont crash lik the add for dragons show.

You may be right, I hope not as I wear reinforced jeans a lot. I sweat profusely inside cordura pants, and sometimes even leather ones are not 'practicable' for where I may be going at the end of the ride. Would be interesting to see the damage sustained to the actual jeans though. I guess that the armour and kevlar is offering something higher in protection than just a pair of levi's like most of us used to wear.

[jrandom]

All you cunts are pussies. Just ride in normal jeans, and don't fall off.

[blue rider]

went to pick up my leathers from Kerry last week. On the way there I stopped at the Garage to pick up the bike. As I was taking the bus :shutup: to get to the garage and only had a short bit of road to go to meet Kerry I went in kevlar and Leather Jacket only.

I was relieved when I got to her, I don't think i ever felt so vulnerable ( i usually have kevlar under cordura etc ), and finally got my leathers.....i actually feel properly dressed when riding now. I don't feel anymore safe riding wearing them, but I know at least that my behind and other body parts are still were they are supposed to be should i come off and eat road.

so know I have cordura, kevlar jeans and full leathers. this hobby is expensive :laugh:

[Maha]

went to pick up my leathers from Kerry last week. On the way there I stopped at the Garage to pick up the bike. As I was taking the bus :shutup: to get to the garage and only had a short bit of road to go to meet Kerry I went in kevlar and Leather Jacket only.

I was relieved when I got to her, I don't think i ever felt so vulnerable ( i usually have kevlar under cordura etc ), and finally got my leathers.....i actually feel properly dressed when riding now. I don't feel anymore safe riding wearing them, but I know at least that my behind and other body parts are still were they are supposed to be should i come off and eat road.

so know I have cordura, kevlar jeans and full leathers. this hobby is expensive :laugh:

Did you get knee sliders fitted? :confused:

[blue rider]

Did you knee sliders fitted? :confused:

this will be for next week :bleh:

[GrayWolf]

All you cunts are pussies. Just ride in normal jeans, and don't fall off.

if I used an expletive to describe you, then I can accept being refered to as a C**T, I dont. So I would appreciate you showing similar respect, thank you.

[jrandom]

I would appreciate you showing similar respect

There are forums upon the interwebs which do not grant their members the right to call each other cunts.

This, however, has never been one of them. (Seriously, do you think that Baby Jesus is going to cry if you actually spell the word out with your keyboard, or something?)

Rejoice in your freedom to speak here as you see fit, GrayWolf. Being called a cunt occasionally is a small price to pay for it. In any case, I was using the word in its more general, comprehensive and affectionate sense. You don't need to take it as an insult.

And, yes, riding without 15 kilograms of gear wrapped around you is very pleasant. Just head out in jeans, T-shirt, gloves and helmet some time. It's liberating.

[Kickaha]

if I used an expletive to describe you, then I can accept being refered to as a C**T, I dont. So I would appreciate you showing similar respect, thank you.


Respect from Jrandom? fuck all chance of that happening he's to big a cunt :bleh:

[jrandom]

Respect from Jrandom? fuck all chance of that happening he's to big a cunt :bleh:

Refer signature line.

[Madness]

You only get too hot in leather & cordura gear when you're stationary or going veeerrrryyyy slow. The answer: stop hanging around Cafe's drinking Latte's all day & driving past shop front windows checking out your relection. Leather is very comfortable at 104km/hr, even in summer heat.

[ellipsis]

All you cunts are pussies. .

....which doesn't mean all pussies are cunts...or does it...

[James Deuce]

You do what you can, but often it doesn't work. Comfort is vastly more important than protection. If you aren't comfortable, you aren't performing at your best.

[jrandom]

You only get too hot in leather & cordura gear when you're stationary or going veeerrrryyyy slow. The answer: stop hanging around Cafe's drinking Latte's all day & driving past shop front windows checking out your relection. Leather is very comfortable at 104km/hr, even in summer heat.

It's not a matter of being too hot. It's the freedom of movement and the feeling of the wind whipping through you that bundling up in gear takes away. You can only do it over two or three months in summer because you'll generally freeze if you try it the rest of the year.

Personally, I like to take advantage of the opportunity.

And fuck being in leather pants and whatnot when you're stopped and off the bike. A leather jacket's OK. Pants, not so much. Even Draggin jeans get pretty hot.

I'm also against clomping around in race boots every time I go somewhere on a motorbike. Nice soft well-worn work boots ftw.

Hot sunny day, work boots, nice light jeans, T-shirt, well-binned leather jacket and the disapproving stares of all the Cordura-covered Teletubbies squeaking awkwardly around gas station forecourts: priceless.

Edit: I should note that one-pieces, when cut well for the wearer, are pretty comfortable. But they do pretty much say "look at meeeeee, I plan on riding this day in a manner that may well lead to a bin".

[Kickaha]

I'm also against clomping around in race boots every time I go somewhere on a motorbike. Nice soft well-worn work boots ftw.


TCX Xcube http://www.tcxboots.com/eng/prodotti-dettaglio.php?collezione=1&prodotto=22
Better than clomping around in race boots, I spent a full day walking around Welly in them and comfort level was good

[kiwifruit]

they do pretty much say "look at meeeeee, I plan on riding this day in a manner that may well lead to a bin".

You do

[Stirts]

TCX Xcube http://www.tcxboots.com/eng/prodotti-dettaglio.php?collezione=1&prodotto=22
Better than clomping around in race boots, I spent a full day walking around Welly in them and comfort level was good

Damn, you got the new Air Jordans on the block nigga!!! :msn-wink:

[James Deuce]

TCX Xcube http://www.tcxboots.com/eng/prodotti-dettaglio.php?collezione=1&prodotto=22
Better than clomping around in race boots, I spent a full day walking around Welly in them and comfort level was good

I've got a pair of these which are comfy and waterproof.

http://www.motorcycle-superstore.com/1/1/36/18311/ITEM/Firstgear-Express-Boots.aspx

Mine are Diadora branded.

[Hitcher]

Having been a loyal and devoted fan of Draggins for some years, I'm now a convert to Rhinos. New Zealand designed, optional armour, and nifty features, like the zipped leg ends to stop cuff flutter and riding up in a slide. They're also quite a bit cheaper than Draggins.

[SMOKEU]

Having been a loyal and devoted fan of Draggins for some years, I'm now a convert to Rhinos. New Zealand designed, optional armour, and nifty features, like the zipped leg ends to stop cuff flutter and riding up in a slide. They're also quite a bit cheaper than Draggins.

Have you found much difference in the build quality between the Draggins and Rhinos? Do the Draggins have thicker kevlar, or move Kevlar coverage? And do you know if the optional armour is cheap and easily available? Is the optional armour just for the knees or the ass and thighs as well?

[Hitcher]

Have you found much difference in the build quality between the Draggins and Rhinos? Do the Draggins have thicker kevlar, or move Kevlar coverage? And do you know if the optional armour is cheap and easily available? Is the optional armour just for the knees or the ass and thighs as well?

Since Santa stuffed them into my stocking, the Rhinos have only had a few rides. The build quality appears good. Rhino also claim flame protection. There's more kevlar in the Rhinos than in Draggins. Kevlar offers abrasion protection, so the thickness of it is largely irrelevant. The armour comes with the Rhinos -- knee and hip protection, for what it's worth. "Optional" means whether one decides to fit it to the trousers or not. The last place anybody would want armour is on one's arse or thighs. Anybody who thinks that they need that much should buy a car.

[SMOKEU]

Since Santa stuffed them into my stocking, the Rhinos have only had a few rides. The build quality appears good. Rhino also claim flame protection. There's more kevlar in the Rhinos than in Draggins. Kevlar offers abrasion protection, so the thickness of it is largely irrelevant. The armour comes with the Rhinos -- knee and hip protection, for what it's worth. "Optional" means whether one decides to fit it to the trousers or not. The last place anybody would want armour is on one's arse or thighs. Anybody who thinks that they need that much should buy a car.

Looks like I might buy a pair of Rhinos then. The synthetic riding pants I have at the moment are unbearably hot in summer, especially when I'm riding around town. I probably will fit the extra armour as well, just in case. I can't afford a car. :msn-wink:

[skippa1]

If I could work out how to drop the bike and then get dragged behind it in Draggin jeans holding on to a ski rope until we came to a gentle stop I would consider wearing them.<_<

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUKzAORD35I

[SMOKEU]

Does anyone here know of any shops in Christchurch which sell Rhino jeans? I have had a look on their website and they don't mention any places in Christchurch. I'd really like to try on a pair before I fork out $169 for jeans which don't fit properly.

[Hitcher]

Does anyone here know of any shops in Christchurch which sell Rhino jeans? I have had a look on their website and they don't mention any places in Christchurch. I'd really like to try on a pair before I fork out $169 for jeans which don't fit properly.

Because of the way the legs are made, leg length is also important, in addition to your waist measurement. Your missus or your mum won't be able to easily trim a bit off and rehem them. I think Rhinos come in short, medium and tall variants.

Try asking the friendly retail assistants at your favourite bike shop to get you in some versions to experiment with.

[Ocean1]

Looks like I might buy a pair of Rhinos then.

I've had mine 2 years odd, they're still in good nick. I like the zipped ankles, although they're a little heavier than the old draggins.

[GrayWolf]

Since Santa stuffed them into my stocking, the Rhinos have only had a few rides. The build quality appears good. Rhino also claim flame protection. There's more kevlar in the Rhinos than in Draggins. Kevlar offers abrasion protection, so the thickness of it is largely irrelevant. The armour comes with the Rhinos -- knee and hip protection, for what it's worth. "Optional" means whether one decides to fit it to the trousers or not. The last place anybody would want armour is on one's arse or thighs. Anybody who thinks that they need that much should buy a car.


I have 2 pairs of the Rhino black 'cargo' jeans, had them for about 8 months, washed several times, they as you say, seem to be easily equal to draggin's at half the price. I do like the availability of 2 leg lengths and the provided knee/hip armour. Would certainly say they seem to be up to the job so far.

[nzspokes]

Did you get knee sliders fitted? :confused:

My goal is to use my sliders this year. Maybe a track day our 2.

[slide]

Hi i have had all sorts of jeans from the cheap Kevlar lines ones to Draggin jeans and have to say the cheap ones look shit and feel shit as far as protection goes and yes i have been down the road in Draggin jeans and they stand up pretty well not as good as leather of course but way way better than standard jeans.
I haven't tried corduroy pants yet although i do wear a Spidi textile jacket sometimes so might try some modern pants one day :)

[Milts]

I've got a pair of these which are comfy and waterproof.

http://www.motorcycle-superstore.com/1/1/36/18311/ITEM/Firstgear-Express-Boots.aspx

Mine are Diadora branded.

I bought these (or the earlier equivilant) close to 3 years ago now. They've been used, abused, fallen off once and hit a few large rocks or sticks at moderate speed. Love them to bits, often wear them to work and don't bother bringing other shoes. Fairly acceptable as normal boots.

Only issues I've had are that they get very hot pretty easily and after all that abuse they've lost their waterproofing. Go figure.

[Hellzie]

Only issues I've had are that they get very hot pretty easily and after all that abuse they've lost their waterproofing. Go figure.

Smother them in bonedry that will get them waterproof again. :banana:

[Rehab]

1Tonne do a kevlar jean for $165 and if you ask nicely I'm pretty sure (99%) that he'll chuck in the knee armour for free. Tried some on the other week and they fit well and look, well, like jeans really. Depends on how much you need them to look like designer ones I guess, although I thought they looked better than the Draggin CE ones which have gold stitching and look like dad's jeans from the 80s.

Obviously you won't be able to try before you buy, but personal experience has shown they are sweet as with exchanges, or return and refund if they're no good (boots not jeans in my case). He did actually tell me that he wouldn't recommend me buying/wearing them since they do decent textile for about the same price and he reckons jeans and bikes is a bit of a shit idea - he only stocks them due to the high demand at the moment. Bet you don't get advice like that from your average Draggin/Rhino stockist.

[Hitcher]

Bet you don't get advice like that from your average Draggin/Rhino stockist.

Who sell kevlar jeans, because their clients demand them, on exactly the same basis as 1Tonne? I don't understand your argument at all.

[nzspokes]

Who sell kevlar jeans, because their clients demand them, on exactly the same basis as 1Tonne? I don't understand your argument at all.

Agreed. When I bought my leather pants from Lifestyle I asked about the jeans and he said the same. They are nothing like as good as leather. If I was to get some it would be from Rhino. I may get some soon for short local trips.

[whowhatwhere]

Hood jeans from the UK are great, lined to about half way down your shins.

[James Deuce]

Gnnngh. Gah. Fumblesticks.

How your gear works in an accident is entirely situational and dependent entirely on the individual accident itself.

My super reinforced leathers with hard armour and 400x stitching fucked me up horribly in my last accident. I sport scars on one elbow from where the armour shattered and dug out a teaspoon full of flesh down to the bone and lacerated my arm from elbow to wrist. One knee has scars from the armour doing the same there. The seams at the hips on my leather trousers split exposing my panty line to gravel rash. My CF helmet split in two. My right ankle was pulp, without any major breaks, but I have NO cartilage in that joint now. It aches like a bastard when I ride the RVF because of vibration. It aches like a bastard when I do those 12-15km walks I do. The only piece of gear I'd say did "good" in the accident were my gloves which didn't look worn and left the knuckles on my left hand black and blue but no breaks or epidermal damage at all. I reckon I would have been better off with the Draggin jeans, Knox armour knee pads, cordura jacket and shorty boots. With the shorty boots my ankle would have broken leaving me with something that could be fixed instead of the abortion I have now.

Woulda.

Coulda

Shoulda.

It's ALL speculation. Ride a bike, have an accident, take your lumps and DON'T bitch about the gear you were or weren't wearing. You have to DEAL with the outcome, not the precursor and after crashing on the track and crashing on the road, I'd have to say that the road is a much more dangerous place to take a spill and you can't rely on anything protecting you at all, except dumb, blind luck.

[miloking]

Gnnngh. Gah. Fumblesticks.

How your gear works in an accident is entirely situational and dependent entirely on the individual accident itself.

My super reinforced leathers with hard armour and 400x stitching fucked me up horribly in my last accident. I sport scars on one elbow from where the armour shattered and dug out a teaspon full of flesh down to the bone and lacerated my arm from elbow to wrist. One knee has scars from the armour doing the same there. The seams at the hips on my leather trousers split exposing my panty line to gravel rash. My CF helmet split in two. My right ankle was pulp, without any major breaks, but I have NO cartilage in that joint now. It aches like a bastard when I ride the RVF because of vibration. It aches like a bastard when I do those 12-15km walks I do. The only piece of gear I'd say did "good" in the accident were my gloves which didn't look worn and left the knuckles on my left hand black and blue but no breaks or epidermal damage at all. I reckon I would have been better off with the Draggin jeans, Knox armour knee pads, cordura jacket and shorty boots. With the shorty boots my ankle would have broken leaving me with something that could be fixed instead of the abortion I have now.

Woulda.

Coulda

Shoulda.

It's ALL speculation. Ride a bike, have an accident, take your lumps and DON'T bitch about the gear you were or weren't wearing. You have to DEAL with the outcome, not the precursor and after crashing on the track and crashing on the road, I'd have to say that the road is a much more dangerous place to take a spill and you can't rely on anything protecting you at all, except dumb, blind luck.

WTF? Did you get hit by a train or something? I was gonna go for a ride this afternoon and suddenly dont feel like it anymore...

[James Deuce]

WTF? Did you get hit by a train or something? I was gonna go for a ride this afternoon and suddenly dont feel like it anymore...

A sheep. Also, 10 broken ribs, a mother of a head injury including temporary blindness and and an episode of aphasia a couple of months later, a ruptured eardrum and swollen liver and one dodgy kidney. At 75 km/hr. I've stood up traveling faster than that after crashing on the track and the resulting superman and tumble just caused bruises.

[superman]

It's not a matter of being too hot. It's the freedom of movement and the feeling of the wind whipping through you that bundling up in gear takes away. You can only do it over two or three months in summer because you'll generally freeze if you try it the rest of the year.

Personally, I like to take advantage of the opportunity.

And fuck being in leather pants and whatnot when you're stopped and off the bike. A leather jacket's OK. Pants, not so much. Even Draggin jeans get pretty hot.

I'm also against clomping around in race boots every time I go somewhere on a motorbike. Nice soft well-worn work boots ftw.

Hot sunny day, work boots, nice light jeans, T-shirt, well-binned leather jacket and the disapproving stares of all the Cordura-covered Teletubbies squeaking awkwardly around gas station forecourts: priceless.

Edit: I should note that one-pieces, when cut well for the wearer, are pretty comfortable. But they do pretty much say "look at meeeeee, I plan on riding this day in a manner that may well lead to a bin".

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[jrandom]

r u 4 real lol

The best trolls are always the ones that you really mean.

[Pogo2]

So the general consensus is that Kevlar jeans are not desirable due to the fact that they do not have impact protection (in some brands anyway) and the lack of abrasion resistence, according to some writers here.

I have worn Draggins for a few years now and find them comfortable but they do not give me a false sense of security in the fact that I will walk away unscathed from any accident. I doubt that any bit of kit could give that ultimate guarantee. All gear has an associated risk factor - some more or less than others.

If I were to replace me Draggins what to you recommend in a textile variant that is cool to wear in summer? I have textile pants as well but they do not breath in the heat. And wet/sweaty legs arent comfortable at any time.

A recent Oz bike mag has just done an article on summer wear (as they would only know) and there is high praise for BMW gear, but of course that comes at a price.

Any reasonable options that you have actually worn in the heat and humidity?

[superman]

I have worn Draggins for a few years now and find them comfortable but they do not give me a false sense of security in the fact that I will walk away unscathed from any accident. I doubt that any bit of kit could give that ultimate guarantee.

Meet safety sphere :eek:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQr8YkzEEWQ

:lol: (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQr8YkzEEWQ)

[SMOKEU]

If I were to replace me Draggins what to you recommend in a textile variant that is cool to wear in summer? I have textile pants as well but they do not breath in the heat. And wet/sweaty legs arent comfortable at any time.


I don't know if such a thing exists. I've had 2 different pairs of textile riding pants, and even with the inner layer removed and the vents open, my legs get so hot that I don't even want to ride the bike because it's so uncomfortable.

If my riding gear is so unbearably hot that I don't even want to ride the bike then that defeats the purpose of having a bike. I didn't buy a bike just to leave it in the garage so I can play games on my computer on a nice day.

[jrandom]

If I were to replace me Draggins what to you recommend in a textile variant that is cool to wear in summer?


I don't know if such a thing exists. I've had 2 different pairs of textile riding pants, and even with the inner layer removed and the vents open, my legs get so hot that I don't even want to ride the bike because it's so uncomfortable.

Yes.

If you want to balance comfort and protection, I think it pays to consider how crashes are likely to affect you.

In my experience, the bits of you that touch the ground when you bin, in order of likelihood depending on how violent the crash is, and ignoring the head because you'll be wearing a complusary hamlet anyway, are:

1. Hands (abrasion).

2. Knees (impact).

3. Hips / buttocks (impact, abrasion if you're going fast enough).

4. Elbows / forearms (abrasion, impact if it's a highside or other awkward sort of bin).

Which suggests that, apart from the complusary hamlet, gear priority should be:

1. Leather gloves. Your hands will touch down first. And you need knuckle armour. The number of gloves I've seen with thick plastic or carbon fibre knuckle armour that's been half ground away against the road... you want properly armoured gloves.

2. Knee armour that sits properly over the patella and is held there firmly enough to stay where it should in a bin. If you don't want to wear hot uncomfortable pants, get some strap-on MX knee armour and wear it under nice light jeans. It'll serve you well.

3. Gear's not going to save you from bruised hips or arse, but it will save the skin on them if you go for a slide. This is where Kevlar-lined pants are supposed to come into play - the fabric won't tear. You'll get burned skin under it, but you won't have gravel in the rash (based on the time I wrote off an R1 while wearing my Draggins). It still hurts though. Then again, normal jeans perform surprisingly well when they go down the road, too. I'm not sure that Kevlar offers much benefit - so long as the jeans don't rip, your skin will actually burn less during the slide since the material's a lot smoother than that rough Kevlar lining.

Heck, I've been down the road in lycra cycling shorts a few times at up to about 40kph and they never tore. I think most people overestimate the violence that a lowside at around-town speeds does to one's bum.

Leather is what really works, though. Basically, if you're not wearing leather over your arse and you find yourself doing the ton on your bum, you're going to need a skin graft. So either ride in a way that will avoid high-speed lowsides, or wear a one-piece or leather pants. This really applies mostly to the track, I think - if you do the ton on your bum on a public road, there probably won't be enough road to finish taking the skin off you before you wind up as strawberry jam against a bank, around a power pole or under a truck coming the other way. So you might as well just wear jeans.

4. Wear a good armoured leather jacket and your elbows and forearms and whatnot should be sweet as.


I didn't buy a bike just to leave it in the garage so I can play games on my computer on a nice day.

Heh. I've spent the last four days solid playing a computer game.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Elder_Scrolls_V:_Skyrim

It's fucking brilliant. In fact, I might play it some more now.

My motorbike lives in the lounge, though, so I can keep an eye on it.

:love:

[miloking]

A sheep. Also, 10 broken ribs, a mother of a head injury including temporary blindness and and an episode of aphasia a couple of months later, a ruptured eardrum and swollen liver and one dodgy kidney. At 75 km/hr. I've stood up traveling faster than that after crashing on the track and the resulting superman and tumble just caused bruises.

Sounds like reading autopsy report of plane crash victim not from "date" with sheep at 75km/h.
Well as long as you survived and can tell us a story about it!...but the main thing is, was the sheep ok?? :D

[chasio]

So the general consensus is that Kevlar jeans are not desirable due to the fact that they do not have impact protection (in some brands anyway) and the lack of abrasion resistence, according to some writers here.

I have worn Draggins for a few years now and find them comfortable but they do not give me a false sense of security in the fact that I will walk away unscathed from any accident. I doubt that any bit of kit could give that ultimate guarantee. All gear has an associated risk factor - some more or less than others.

If I were to replace me Draggins what to you recommend in a textile variant that is cool to wear in summer? I have textile pants as well but they do not breath in the heat. And wet/sweaty legs arent comfortable at any time.

A recent Oz bike mag has just done an article on summer wear (as they would only know) and there is high praise for BMW gear, but of course that comes at a price.

Any reasonable options that you have actually worn in the heat and humidity?

I've got zip-together Revit textile (cordura type) jacket and pants that have mesh panels. Paid $200 a piece from Motomail clearance store a few years back. The difference from standard textiles is well worth it, IMO. I accept that having mesh is not as safe as cordura all over, or leather at another level up. But the mesh is placed at the least likely areas to be abraded and seems a good compromise to me. After all, if I am overly hot and dehydrated from very hot gear, I am more likely to have an accident as my concentration will not be as good.

I reckon the pants are cooler (thermally but not stylistically) than kevlar jeans and have knee armour and hip padding. The only point in kevlar jeans that I can see is the fact that you may not need to change if you're going somewhere suitable for jeans. YMMV.

But there's always the luck element, as JD rightly and painfully reminds us.

[Rehab]

Who sell kevlar jeans, because their clients demand them, on exactly the same basis as 1Tonne? I don't understand your argument at all.

Wasn't intended to be an argument. I wrote it late last night and thought it didn't sound right :confused:. My intention was to throw a bit of praise 1Tonne's way for the good customer service I felt like I got from him/them (much more to do with the boots issue than a possibly paraphrased and misquoted comment about kevlar jeans). Also just trying to be helpful offering another possible source for what the OP was after and in doing so support the little local guy. Not having a crack at other manufacturers or retailers either, since I have no basis to do so. Unless it's Race Evolution, in which case I could go on all night.....:mad:

Just noticed the time is roughly the same for this post, so this'll probably sound all wrong in the morning as well. :facepalm: At least I feel like I have defended myself against something that wasn't an attack, so I can go to bed now and the only time I've wasted is my own......

[actungbaby]

I admire people spending out the xtra bucks for leathers , but i never bothered be to dam hot

my dear old Mum brought me jacket its like 30 years old always work just cotton normal trousers , midn you did have boots

One stage , weear sands hoes Gloves etec got get some gloves never broke a bone never had nasty scrapes

have fallen of some well normal amount i guess just up to choice what u wear i guess worked for me anyways

Am not roaring around like my pants are on fire maybe your leather kevlar pants make you ride that way hehe

Of alawys supected people wear those racing suits more about showing of than anythig and posing
I rkon those gloves that have amour on them bit overbaord for start look like track wear from Motogp

Whats next Inflatable bags around are ....... mans area hehe

Well mate sorry to say but every situation I have seen the kevlar rips out and floats away in the brezz and serious injury to the arse and legs acures, oddley ya dont crash lik the add for dragons show.

[steve_t]

I admire people spending out the xtra bucks for leathers , but i never bothered be to dam hot

my dear old Mum brought me jacket its like 30 years old always work just cotton normal trousers , midn you did have boots

One stage , weear sands hoes Gloves etec got get some gloves never broke a bone never had nasty scrapes

have fallen of some well normal amount i guess just up to choice what u wear i guess worked for me anyways

Am not roaring around like my pants are on fire maybe your leather kevlar pants make you ride that way hehe

Of alawys supected people wear those racing suits more about showing of than anythig and posing
I rkon those gloves that have amour on them bit overbaord for start look like track wear from Motogp

Whats next Inflatable bags around are ....... mans area hehe

Que? :scratch::shit::Pokey:

[actungbaby]

Oh come on dont be dick if you going have go at me least have balls to say so:cool:
I cant help u cant read stevie wonder

Que? :scratch::shit::Pokey:

[skinman]

I admire people spending out the xtra bucks for leathers , but i never bothered be to dam hot

my dear old Mum brought me jacket its like 30 years old always work just cotton normal trousers , midn you did have boots

One stage , weear sands hoes Gloves etec got get some gloves never broke a bone never had nasty scrapes

have fallen of some well normal amount i guess just up to choice what u wear i guess worked for me anyways

Am not roaring around like my pants are on fire maybe your leather kevlar pants make you ride that way hehe

Of alawys supected people wear those racing suits more about showing of than anythig and posing
I rkon those gloves that have amour on them bit overbaord for start look like track wear from Motogp

Whats next Inflatable bags around are ....... mans area hehe

Lookout, i think I hear the punctuation, grammar & spelling police coming :wait::whistle::corn:

[steve_t]

Oh come on dont be dick if you going have go at me least have balls to say so:cool:
I cant help u cant read stevie wonder

LOL. I assure you that the problem isn't with my ability to read... :msn-wink:

[davebullet]

Leather can be cool.

1. Get pants with punched panels for breathing and wear shorts underneath
2. Get a jacket with arm and back zip vents

After my slow 40kph off with leg pinned under sliding bike + shoulder & elbow sliding along the road, I'm thankful like fuck I wasn't wearing some fucking denim or cordura. Seriously. I walked away with a bruised foot.

[curly]

Que? :scratch::shit::Pokey:

That's how Patrick rolls. He's from Palmerston North

[scumdog]

That's how Patrick rolls. He's from Palmerston North

Say no more...<_<

[scumdog]

Lookout, i think I hear the punctuation, grammar & spelling police coming :wait::whistle::corn:

No chance, waaay too much effort...

Effort that would be wasted on the AttentionInfant.:msn-wink:

[James Deuce]

After my slow 40kph off with leg pinned under sliding bike + shoulder & elbow sliding along the road, I'm thankful like fuck I wasn't wearing some fucking denim or cordura. Seriously. I walked away with a bruised foot.

I had one of those in Draggins and there was not a mark on me nor the Draggins. There are no absolutes when it comes to crashing a motorcycle. Que sera sera.

[Brian407]

Yes.

If you want to balance comfort and protection, I think it pays to consider how crashes are likely to affect you.

In my experience, the bits of you that touch the ground when you bin, in order of likelihood depending on how violent the crash is, and ignoring the head because you'll be wearing a complusary hamlet anyway, are:

1. Hands (abrasion).

2. Knees (impact).

3. Hips / buttocks (impact, abrasion if you're going fast enough).

4. Elbows / forearms (abrasion, impact if it's a highside or other awkward sort of bin).

Which suggests that, apart from the complusary hamlet, gear priority should be:

1. Leather gloves. Your hands will touch down first. And you need knuckle armour. The number of gloves I've seen with thick plastic or carbon fibre knuckle armour that's been half ground away against the road... you want properly armoured gloves.

2. Knee armour that sits properly over the patella and is held there firmly enough to stay where it should in a bin. If you don't want to wear hot uncomfortable pants, get some strap-on MX knee armour and wear it under nice light jeans. It'll serve you well.

3. Gear's not going to save you from bruised hips or arse, but it will save the skin on them if you go for a slide. This is where Kevlar-lined pants are supposed to come into play - the fabric won't tear. You'll get burned skin under it, but you won't have gravel in the rash (based on the time I wrote off an R1 while wearing my Draggins). It still hurts though. Then again, normal jeans perform surprisingly well when they go down the road, too. I'm not sure that Kevlar offers much benefit - so long as the jeans don't rip, your skin will actually burn less during the slide since the material's a lot smoother than that rough Kevlar lining.

Heck, I've been down the road in lycra cycling shorts a few times at up to about 40kph and they never tore. I think most people overestimate the violence that a lowside at around-town speeds does to one's bum.

Leather is what really works, though. Basically, if you're not wearing leather over your arse and you find yourself doing the ton on your bum, you're going to need a skin graft. So either ride in a way that will avoid high-speed lowsides, or wear a one-piece or leather pants. This really applies mostly to the track, I think - if you do the ton on your bum on a public road, there probably won't be enough road to finish taking the skin off you before you wind up as strawberry jam against a bank, around a power pole or under a truck coming the other way. So you might as well just wear jeans.

4. Wear a good armoured leather jacket and your elbows and forearms and whatnot should be sweet as.



Heh. I've spent the last four days solid playing a computer game.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Elder_Scrolls_V:_Skyrim

It's fucking brilliant. In fact, I might play it some more now.

My motorbike lives in the lounge, though, so I can keep an eye on it.

:love:

All good advice, but pity none of that stops broken bones. I dropped my bike on a roundabout at 40km/h and tore a big hole in my elbow, and broke my leg an inch above my ankle. I have good leather gear, and good boots and gloves but none of it stopped the injuries you get when you find 500lb of bike on top of you, grinding you slowly into the road.

How do you drop a bike at 40k on a roundabout I hear being asked. It was actually quite simple. Hot Tarmac (28 degree day), 5 min skiff of rain about 3pm (turning surface of tarmac into greasy slick), back wheel stepped out halfway round, speedway style (which is easily enough ridden out of). 3/4 way round roundabout there was a fresh Telecom cable channel across road. Front wheel rode over it, back wheel didnt, bike flipped over other way and fell on top of me (wasnt going fast enought to be ejected by the high side). Travelled about 10 metres under bike. It was enough.

Ist car behind me, (about 2 metres behind me) stopped and driver and two passengers lift bike off me. Jacket sleeve (on correct size and well secured jacket) had ridden up past my elbow, hence elbow damage, and foot was 90 degrees to leg. (not sure what bit of bike caused that).

Point is, sometimes it doesnt matter what gear you've got, 300 dollars worth or 3000 dollars worth, if it wants to, the roads still gonna get you. Buy what you're comfortable with, knowing that no matter what you've got, it cant protect you against everything, and sometimes it's going to be something small that fucks you up.

FWIW I buy my gear more with weather protection in mind, rather than road protection, but that might be just a Southland thing.

[Hitcher]

Cause and effect. There are only a few basics when it comes to choosing appropriate motorcycling apparel:


wear a helmet;
wear gloves;
wear footwear that won't come off in a fall, or which has laces that can't become ensnared in the motorcycle;
make sure all your skin is covered at all times by something that should survive moderate abrasive contact.



End of story. Anything else is just conjecture with way too many potentially affecting variables, or just ATGATT fascism.

I have a leather jacket. I only wear it in summer. I enjoy wearing kevlar denims during summer. I hate wearing leather trou at any time of year. I don't wear a back protector. I would never wear a backpack (wearing the two together is mind boggling: perhaps one negates the effect of the other?). Armour? If it's comfortably fitted to garments, why not, but I'm not religious about that because armour's only got a low percentage chance of appreciably spreading impact forces. I wear earplugs and corrective eyewear.

This has been my riding apparel policy since day 1, nine years ago. Despite a number of departures from my steed over the years, I have made no changes to my riding apparel policy.

[Pussy]

Fleecy track pants have about the same level of protection as kevlar jeans. And they're cheaper.

[Hitcher]

Fleecy track pants have about the same level of protection as kevlar jeans. And they're cheaper.

A fetishist on a budget. What next.

[Pussy]

A fetishist on a budget. What next.

Kevlar jeans are as much use as a one legged man at an arse kicking party....

[jrandom]

All good advice, but pity none of that stops broken bones.

YeahIknow.

The only broken bone I ever got in a bin was the lower bone in my left thumb getting shattered into a dozen pieces when I highsided a GSXR750 and the handlebar crushed it against the tank before I got spat off. I was wearing perfectly decent gloves at the time. I don't think they made a lot of difference to anything.

[SMOKEU]

I don't wear a back protector. I would never wear a backpack (wearing the two together is mind boggling: perhaps one negates the effect of the other?).

What's wrong with riding while wearing a backpack?

[Brian407]

This has been my riding apparel policy since day 1, nine years ago. Despite a number of departures from my steed over the years, I have made no changes to my riding apparel policy.

Ummmm.... a number of departures in nine years??? are you not any good at this bike riding lark? I can count on the remaining fingers of one hand the 'number of departures' i've had in 40 years, and i'm finally starting to get good at it.:D

[Hitcher]

What's wrong with riding while wearing a backpack?

Nothing. But what's it going to do to one's back if one bins and lands upon it? What's it going to to if one bins and one's ability to roll is impaired? What's it going to do if one bins and the backpack snags on some part of the motorcycle one is in the process of exiting?

I believe that there is value in riding as clean (apparel wise) as possible. Laces, buckles, straps, packs, piercings and anything else that can snag or bump are best left elsewhere.

[Hitcher]

Ummmm.... a number of departures in nine years??? are you not any good at this bike riding lark? I can count on the remaining fingers of one hand the 'number of departures' i've had in 40 years, and i'm finally starting to get good at it.

Well aren't you a smug clever bugger. I wish you every success in your ability to remain shiny side up. If you want a summary of my various offs, you'll find them all documented here on Kiwi Biker. Read those and draw your own conclusions. I'm more than happy to take my lumps for those I could have handled better, and I've had no choice but to take my lumps for the others.

[Kickaha]

Nothing. But what's it going to do to one's back if one bins and lands upon it?

Probably nothing if you're wearing a back protector :whistle:

[jrandom]

I've teetered around cautiously on empty roads for most of my life. I like to draw unwarranted conclusions from this.

I bet all your bikes had magnesium wheels, too.

A man accumulating quite a lot of egg on his online face in a short space of posting.

:corn:

[davebullet]

Nothing. But what's it going to do to one's back if one bins and lands upon it? What's it going to to if one bins and one's ability to roll is impaired?

I thought sliding was preferable to rolling.

I remember reading somewhere along life's journey about a motorcyclist who had an off wearing a backpack containing a laptop (or was it a pile of meat from the butcher?) Yes, I know the two could be easily confused. Anyway, said motorcyclist apparently claimed the laptop or meat saved his back. Of course, without a control test in exactly the same circumstances, this is all conjecture.

[jrandom]

Plenty of bicycle couriers fall off wearing messenger bags. It doesn't seem to do any harm. The one time I supermanned over a car bonnet wearing one I think it acted more as a cushion than anything else.

[Brian407]

I bet all your bikes had magnesium wheels, too.

A man accumulating quite a lot of egg on his online face in a short space of posting.

:corn:

Okay, so now were into completely deleting another persons post and replacing it with figments of your own imagination. How old are you son? 5? Not to mention the fact that there's bound to be forum rules against it, and any moderators present need to take note. Is this the sort of thing and person that you allow on the forum?

Ya know what, scratch that, I dont need to defend myself, or need anyone else to defend me either, 'cause i've just realised that I dont actually have to give a flying fuck what you think. If you want to be that childish and petty, be my guest.

[Hitcher]

Moderators present have a careful eye on proceedings and adherence with the site's published rules. All's good.

[Brian407]

Moderators present have a careful eye on proceedings and adherence with the site's published rules. All's good.

So, are you telling me that post #93, which includes a quote that are NOT my words, is allowed?

[Hitcher]

So, are you telling me that post #93, which includes a quote that are NOT my words, is allowed?

Read the site's rules again. You said you'd read them when you ticked the box admitting you as a Kiwi Biker member.

[Brian407]

Read the site's rules again. You said you'd read them when you ticked the box admitting you as a Kiwi Biker member.

Your shitting me.... DELIBERATELY ALTERING SOMEONE ELSES QUOTE TO THE POINT OF IT BEING COMPLETELY UNTRUE, OR REPLACING IT WITH LIES, OR POSTING AS ANOTHER PERSON IS ALLOWED. How fucked is that. No wonder this forum cant gain any fucken credibility anywhere. Fuck that, I'm out.

[nosebleed]

Careful. Theres rules about storming off too.
Just be glad you started posting after the demise of "Tags".


tag: god i miss tags

[p.dath]

Probably nothing if you're wearing a back protector :whistle:

I have a back protector, but some info for your consideration.

The standard for a class 1 back protector limits the impact force into the back to 16,000N. The standard for a class 2 back protector limits the impact force to 8,000N. Most back protectors are class 1.

The medically accepted limit for which a broken back is almost guaranteed, and at which there is a better than average chance of death is 4000N.

Can anyone else spot a problem with the back protector standards?


Back protectors do help stop bruising and reduce the severity of *some* other injuries though (my personal opinion). Better ones also offer some kidney and shoulder protection.

[Madness]

What's the bet that Brain will be back by the end of the day?

:lol:

[Maha]

You have a very valid point Brian. All's good.

That fence may collapse...:eek:

[nzspokes]

I have a back protector, but some info for your consideration.

The standard for a class 1 back protector limits the impact force into the back to 16,000N. The standard for a class 2 back protector limits the impact force to 8,000N. Most back protectors are class 1.

The medically accepted limit for which a broken back is almost guaranteed, and at which there is a better than average chance of death is 4000N.

Can anyone else spot a problem with the back protector standards?


Back protectors do help stop bruising and reduce the severity of *some* other injuries though (my personal opinion). Better ones also offer some kidney and shoulder protection.

I dont understand why they dont make a better back protector that goes into the jackets. Unless of course they do and Ive just not seen them. :brick:

[James Deuce]

You get what you pay for. My Clover T2 has a Knox backprotector in it.

[steve_t]

I dont understand why they dont make a better back protector that goes into the jackets. Unless of course they do and Ive just not seen them. :brick:

CE EN1621-2:2003 Level 2 protection for a jacket insert.

http://www.forcefieldbodyarmour.com/product/upgrade-back-inserts/2361

254493

[jrandom]

:angry2:

*takes a bow*


What's the bet that Brain will be back by the end of the day?

There's a two week enforced stand-down on your account if you start a 'goodbye KB' thread. I don't think the rule applies if you just post it as a post, though. Unfortunately.

[davebullet]

Fuck that, I'm out.

http://youtu.be/LMFqh_tiHoQ?t=4m13s

[Hitcher]

Your shitting me.... DELIBERATELY ALTERING SOMEONE ELSES QUOTE TO THE POINT OF IT BEING COMPLETELY UNTRUE, OR REPLACING IT WITH LIES, OR POSTING AS ANOTHER PERSON IS ALLOWED. How fucked is that. No wonder this forum cant gain any fucken credibility anywhere. Fuck that, I'm out.

You haven't read the site's rules yet, have you? If you had you would know that I'm not shitting you.

The only people who can change an original post are the original poster or a Moderator. How people choose to respond to a post is entirely up to them, as long as it's in accordance with the site's rules. People who follow threads are generally smart enough to figure out what's going on and who actually said what.

This forum is judged by the qualities individual members contribute. Most people are generally savvy enough to spot a dickhead and will discount their contributions accordingly.

By the way, it's a breach of the site's rules to type with the caps lock key on. I'll forgive you this once.

[Madness]

By the way, it's a breach of the site's rules to type with the caps lock key on. I'll forgive you this once.

There's a tenner in it for you if you infract his arse :lol:

[Hitcher]

The standard for a class 1 back protector limits the impact force into the back to 16,000N.

I haven't got my physics text book handy, but what force is generated by a 100kg rider hitting the Earth at terminal velocity? Rough guess, less than 16,000N. Is a back protector going to save a person from such an impact? Erm, hardly.

[Virago]

Oh, no. Who will lead us to salvation now?

[nosebleed]

*snip*...here Brian, hold my hand while I walk you through this and explain things really slowly and carefully...*snip*


By the way, it's a breach of the site's rules to type with the caps lock key on. I'll forgive you this once.

Forget site rules Dawg, it's just literary decency.

[caseye]

+ 1 to that nosebleed, nicely put an all.

[davebullet]

I haven't got my physics text book handy, but what force is generated by a 100kg rider hitting the Earth at terminal velocity? Rough guess, less than 16,000N. Is a back protector going to save a person from such an impact? Erm, hardly.

It may save your back, but your organs will turn into mashed potato.

[Munchminion]

Where are some good places to get affordable, breathable kevlar jeans/shirts? new to biking bought my current gear just before winter. now its getting too hot to drive and its only spring.
Been looking at Hellrider gear.
https://www.hellrideapparel.com/shop.html#!/Kevlar%C2%AE-Armoured-Shirts-click-image/c/19521341/offset=0&sort=normal

[Mr. Peanut]

Where are some good places to get affordable, breathable kevlar jeans/shirts? new to biking bought my current gear just before winter. now its getting too hot to drive and its only spring.
Been looking at Hellrider gear.
https://www.hellrideapparel.com/shop.html#!/Kevlar%C2%AE-Armoured-Shirts-click-image/c/19521341/offset=0&sort=normal

I'd try amazon first, clothing isn't expensive to ship. Then I'd have a look at motomail.co.nz

[zadok]

I don't know if they are available in NZ, but I have been using the Bull-It Covec jeans for some time now. Four trips across Australia not having to use waterproof leggings. Been through some good showers and came out without a wet bum. Even some torrential rain didn't see me getting more than a little damp in the behind. They keep out the cold in winter and heat in summer. Sitting at traffic lights in summer doesn't see me having red hot legs while waiting. Can't speak more highly of them. I'm going to get another pair as mine are getting faded now,but still doing the job.:niceone:

https://www.bull-it.com/mens.html