The youth...

[Headbanger]

So, I'm on my bicycle, doing the hard yards cause I'm getting old and fat, come across the bridge and look down into the playground I take my kids, and there is abunch of shitskins, broad day light, drinking piss and scribbling their names over every surface they can find.

So, I'm thinking you little fucks, you will be the same cunts scribbling that same shit on peoples fences and shops.

So, I hang a left, down the hill, ride right into the midst, little fucker with the marker doesn't even look up, keeps scribbling, I ask him if he learnt to write that shit in school, "Fuck yeah bro, Mr Arnold taught me all this", Fuckers decked out in red, covered in shit tatts, thick as a plank, doesn't give a fuck, I circle round him, tell him its fuckin bullshit, and I ride off.

At which time he mentions a stomping, so I turn round, ask him what the fuck he just said, ah, he puts the pen down, stares at me, "I said Mr Arnold gets the fuckin stomping"

Another cunt chimes in,something along the lines of , "Aye, no aggro here", as he circles to my blind side with a beer bottle in one hand and his other hand in his pocket (strangley enough this one was all decked out in blue and white), some of the rest are getting moving, and the one with the pen has a shit eating grin on him.

For fucks sake, I do a quick head count, 7 plus the one with the pen, None of them men, all boys, but they have the numbers and I'm sure all of them would have been tooled up, I figure I can take 4 of em if I can keep one arm free, slim to no chance against 8, Though I doubt any of them could cause me injury without a weapon.

Fuck it, I did not want to get into a fight with a bunch of teenagers, and I sure as hell don't need to be stabbed again, There just isn't any fun in it.

I got back on the bike and rode off, As I left they asked whats the problem anyway "officer", I said I hate to see our good stuff wrecked.

Chur, Its only a rubbish bin.





Just a fucking rubbish bin, covered in nigger scribble.

[jazfender]

Hey mean story man, that's some Pullitzer shit right there.

I was wonderin what racists do all day.

[Headbanger]

Our society would be better off if more people told the little bastards to fuck off, Shit only happens within our communities if we permit it to be done.

Now the problem is so big that they can safely not give a fuck.

Racist?

All bets are off when the cunts are in gang colours, we all know what that represents, And how they earn their position in the world.

[jazfender]

Our society would be better off if more people told the little bastards to fuck off, Shit only happens within our communities if we permit it to be done.

Now the problem is so big that they can safely not give a fuck.

Racist?

All bets are off when the cunts are in gang colours, we all know what that represents, And how they earn their position in the world.

Nah mate, sounds like you don't know shit eh.

[Headbanger]

Nah mate, sounds like you don't know shit eh.

well then, Make the world a better place and enlighten me.

[superman]

Our society would be better off if more people told the little bastards to fuck off, Shit only happens within our communities if we permit it to be done.

Now the problem is so big that they can safely not give a fuck.

Racist?

All bets are off when the cunts are in gang colours, we all know what that represents, And how they earn their position in the world.

Did you call the cops to their location?

What is it with people and fighting... I don't think I've punched anyone in my life non-playfully because it just seems like an archaic way to settle things. Especially little shits who get all hyped up on their testosterone and need to punch things... :facepalm:

[unstuck]

Wow. Maybe If you would of approached them a little calmer and told them why you were upset,and why you didn't like what they were doing they may of listened a bit more. Abuse usually never gets you very far with anyone.Fuck, i used to spray paint shit everywhere when I was a kid, but hate seeing young uns doing it now, comes with age and maturity I suppose. Hope you can find something to smile about, cos you sure sound pissed.:msn-wink:

[Headbanger]

Did you call the cops to their location?


Considered it, Though I didn't have my phone on me and home was another half hour away.

[Headbanger]

Wow. Maybe If you would of approached them a little calmer and told them why you were upset,and why you didn't like what they were doing they may of listened a bit more. Abuse usually never gets you very far with anyone.Fuck, i used to spray paint shit everywhere when I was a kid, but hate seeing young uns doing it now, comes with age and maturity I suppose. Hope you can find something to smile about, cos you sure sound pissed.:msn-wink:

You're dreaming, Not a thing in the world could have been said to make them care in the slightest. Its all just entertainment, no matter how its delivered.

I voiced my displeasure at their actions and left.

The story was constructed and delivered in such a way for maximum entertainment value, I have plenty to smile about.

[unstuck]

You're dreaming, Not a thing in the world could have been said to make them care in the slightest. Its all just entertainment, no matter how its delivered.

I voiced my displeasure at their actions and left.

The story was written for maximum entertainment value, I have plenty to smile about.

Are you sure? You sound like your plenty stressed to me.:msn-wink:

[Headbanger]

Are you sure? You sound like your plenty stressed to me.:msn-wink:

I'm bald, I have a huge belly, I'm unemployed, and a bunch of kids are gloating about how they staunched me out.

I'm living the dream.


Later tonight they will probably tag my fence.

[Indiana_Jones]

Sadly there's always gonna be slack cunts who have no respect for others property.

Only way to teach them is to tag something they hold dear to them, not so fucking 'cool' then aye.

-Indy

[unstuck]

My old man(nearly 70) was walking across the bridge a month or so ago and asked a gang of reded up yoofs to let him past and they said he could only get past if he gave them what was in his shopping bag, so he did. First guy dropped when the bag hit him in the head( which had a tin of catfood and a bag of onions in it) and another one got a dislocated shoulder when he tried to grab the old boy from behind, the rest of the poofs ran away. someone called the cops on my old man and tried to get him done for assault, the cops came and talked to dad but never heard anything else from them.:bleh:

[Indiana_Jones]

My old man(nearly 70) was walking across the bridge a month or so ago and asked a gang of reded up yoofs to let him past and they said he could only get past if he gave them what was in his shopping bag, so he did. First guy dropped when the bag hit him in the head( which had a tin of catfood and a bag of onions in it) and another one got a dislocated shoulder when he tried to grab the old boy from behind, the rest of the poofs ran away. someone called the cops on my old man and tried to get him done for assault, the cops came and talked to dad but never heard anything else from them.:bleh:

I've never understood the appeal in threating and (in this case attempting) to beat the shit out of a poor old person.

Gotta have balls of steel to do that.......:rolleyes:

And always in groups, you'll never catch one of those cunts acting it up alone.

-Indy

[unstuck]

I have since ummm spoken to 3 out of the seven and they are very sorry.:msn-wink:

[Katman]

I'm surprised at what passes for news these days.

[avgas]

you'll never catch one of those cunts acting it up alone.
I did once back in my wild and stupid Youth.
Prick stole my mountain bike (which I used to race - so it was kinda important to me). Chased him, close-lined him, picked up bike and threw it at him. (I was rather angry).
Got him pretty good but I had buy a new wheel and new derailer because his face broke them.

In retrospective (because now I am smarter). I should have just told his parents and he would have got broken bones. Because I don't like fighting anymore ;)

[thehovel]

So, I'm on my bicycle, doing the hard yards cause I'm getting old and fat, come across the bridge and look down into the playground I take my kids, and there is abunch of shitskins, broad day light, drinking piss and scribbling their names over every surface they can find.

So, I'm thinking you little fucks, you will be the same cunts scribbling that same shit on peoples fences and shops.

So, I hang a left, down the hill, ride right into the midst, little fucker with the marker doesn't even look up, keeps scribbling, I ask him if he learnt to write that shit in school, "Fuck yeah bro, Mr Arnold taught me all this", Fuckers decked out in red, covered in shit tatts, thick as a plank, doesn't give a fuck, I circle round him, tell him its fuckin bullshit, and I ride off.

At which time he mentions a stomping, so I turn round, ask him what the fuck he just said, ah, he puts the pen down, stares at me, "I said Mr Arnold gets the fuckin stomping"

Another cunt chimes in,something along the lines of , "Aye, no aggro here", as he circles to my blind side with a beer bottle in one hand and his other hand in his pocket (strangley enough this one was all decked out in blue and white), some of the rest are getting moving, and the one with the pen has a shit eating grin on him.

For fucks sake, I do a quick head count, 7 plus the one with the pen, None of them men, all boys, but they have the numbers and I'm sure all of them would have been tooled up, I figure I can take 4 of em if I can keep one arm free, slim to no chance against 8, Though I doubt any of them could cause me injury without a weapon.

Fuck it, I did not want to get into a fight with a bunch of teenagers, and I sure as hell don't need to be stabbed again, There just isn't any fun in it.

I got back on the bike and rode off, As I left they asked whats the problem anyway "officer", I said I hate to see our good stuff wrecked.

Chur, Its only a rubbish bin.





Just a fucking rubbish bin, covered in nigger scribble.

It sounds like you are carrying a wee bit of an attitude. Always do a head count before you spout off.
About 15 years ago I was out walking at night(I couldn't sleep) and I heard the spray can before I saw three teens (bigger than me) so I stayed in the shadows and followed them as they sprayed their way home and made a note of the address.
Over the next week I bought a few spray cans of black paint and made a pole so I could spray about 5 meters in the air from the ground. One night I went around and sprayed all the windows black and wrote on the front wall TAG YOUR IT. Saw 2 of the teens scraping windows and repainting (I didn't keep to between the lines very well OOOPPS) I never saw those taggers again though???? Regards Dick The Prick

[mashman]

ya need some extended crash bobbins with embedded flick knives

[Mom]

Chur, Its only a rubbish bin.

Just a fucking rubbish bin, covered in nigger scribble.

Little fuckers! I took exception to some friggen psuedo gangsta wanna-be the other day. Big fat fucker with a back to front hat sitting in the carpark at the supermarket and takes a "hand gun" out of the front of his pants and points it in the window of a car, then tucks it back in the waistband again. Winner of the higest order. Obviously a toy btw.

Today managed to get the ultimate. Saw them again and saw the cops come in and do a drive through, Maha had a word with them and they went and had a "chat" Apparently he is known. Well his card is clipped in my mind, wont hesitate to involve plod should I see his tiny penis in action again.


Good on you for saying something, I am too small to take action. Probably just as well :lol:

[carver]

well then, Make the world a better place and enlighten me.

next time i will stab you you white piece of shit, C's up!

[AD345]

With the benefit of hindsight...

You coulda thrown your bike at them from the bridge. That woulda taken out 2 or 3 of them and then while they were in shock you coulda Geroninmoed over the edge of the bridge into the playground and laid waste to the little fucks.

I woulda paid to see that

Big time

[Flip]

Good on ya for doing some thing.

The twits only think they are men until they actually meet one.

[toycollector10]

Christchurch is stuffed from all the quakes and yet these illiterate little clowns were still coming into my neighbourhood spraying their shit all around. I bought about a dozen different coloured spray cans and they sit in a large flat bucket in the boot of my car. I've made it my business to render their shit invisible as soon as I come across it around where I live. It only took about a month and the problem has 99% gone away.

The bottom line with these little scrotums is that if everyone cleaned up within, say, 100 meters of their own house it would go a long way towards taking care of the problem. I hate those taggers with a bloody passion and love covering up their pathetic scribbles for them.

[Winston001]

I'm with Headbanger on this. Edmund Burke said:

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing

Every time we turn away from vandalism, every time we ignore cries and distress, every time we are blind to cruelty and bullying, we silently allow our community to fail a little more.

[98tls]

I'm with Headbanger on this. Edmund Burke said:

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing

Every time we turn away from vandalism, every time we ignore cries and distress, every time we are blind to cruelty and bullying, we silently allow our community to fail a little more.

That said he didnt live in a country that simply refuses to acknowledge the problem but rather argue the meaningless point of its colour and lay down the race card like its a joker.:weird:

[blackdog]

I was walking home from the shops the other week through the park. Two older boys were sitting on a bench with a younger fella with blood streaming down his face and it did look totally dodgy. I asked the young lad if he was ok, and it did look to me like he was in some distress. Turns out he kickflipped his skateboard into his nose!

Point is I checked, and if he had been in trouble he would have been outta there toot sweet.

I wasn't scared either I take my big scary dog whenever I'm walking.

[jazfender]

That said he didnt live in a country that simply refuses to acknowledge the problem but rather argue the meaningless point of its colour and lay down the race card like its a joker.:weird:

What's the problem bro, that you gotta share a country with "shitskins"?

[Headbanger]

What's the problem bro, that you gotta share a country with "shitskins"?

well, we both know he said nothing even close to that, which means you're making shit up because you got nothing.

Quite enlightening, Excellent work.

[jazfender]

Our society would be better off if more people told the little bastards to fuck off, Shit only happens within our communities if we permit it to be done.

Now the problem is so big that they can safely not give a fuck.

Racist?

All bets are off when the cunts are in gang colours, we all know what that represents, And how they earn their position in the world.

Are you saying that kids tagging rubbish bins is a 'problem' that 'is so big'?

I know you're the hero and GOOD ON YOU MATE for 'giving them a piece of your mind' and SAVING THE DAY and serving as a PILLAR OF YOUR COMMUNITY.

What this country needs is more people like you, telling off those naughty naughty 'niggers' for goin around 'being black' and BLIGHTING our communities!

You've earnt a river of green rep bro.

[jazfender]

well, we both know he said nothing even close to that, which means you're making shit up because you got nothing.

Quite enlightening, Excellent work.

Lol, I quoted you...

[Headbanger]

Are you saying that kids tagging rubbish bins is a 'problem' that 'is so big'?

I know you're the hero and GOOD ON YOU MATE for 'giving them a piece of your mind' and SAVING THE DAY and serving as a PILLAR OF YOUR COMMUNITY.

What this country needs is more people like you, telling off those naughty naughty 'niggers' for goin around 'being black' and BLIGHTING our communities!

You've earnt a river of green rep bro.


You're part of the problem. Thanks for nothing arsehole.

[Headbanger]

Lol, I quoted you...

wow, You are stupid, You quoted 98lts.

[jazfender]

You're part of the problem. Thanks for nothing arsehole.

You think vandalism is a serious problem in our society?

[Headbanger]

You think vandalism is a serious problem in our society?

Lawlessness, and persons who endorse it by ignoring it and even worse make excuses for it.

[jazfender]

wow, You are stupid, You quoted 98.

I'm gonna let that one slide man. You earned it. With your heroics.

[Headbanger]

I'm gonna let that one slide man. You earned it. With your heroics.

You're going to let your fuck up slide?

You are awesome.

[superman]

You think vandalism is a serious problem in our society?

Really... you're having a go at him about different opinions people have on how serious vandalism is? :facepalm:

http://memegenerator.net/cache/instances/250x250/9/9853/10090410.jpg

[toycollector10]

If the taggers are of Polynesian or Maori extraction they need to respect my culture the way everyone is demanded to be respectful of theirs. Part of my culture, 5th generation Kiwi, is NO FUCKING SCRIBBLING. Where's the mana in tagging? If the taggers are white, they are even more of a disgrace 'cos it's all imitation imported black gang culture from the manure pits of south LA and the like. If any of these try-hards were dropped into the real gang neighborhoods of the States they would bloody shit themselves.

[Taz]

well then, Make the world a better place and enlighten me.

Camera pans to jazfender slinking away to crawl back into his hole as finding any good reason for his dark brothes to be defacing public property has sadly eludes him.

Jaz can I come and scribble all over your bike mate?

[Smifffy]

You think vandalism is a serious problem in our society?

From 2008:

Councils spend hundreds of thousands of dollars a year battling graffiti.

At Hastings District Council, environmental enhancement officer Jacqui Barnes says it is crucial to remove graffiti quickly, so the vandals get no credence.

"I don't see why [taggers] should have such a big negative impact on such a great place as Hastings. It's a community problem and it's creating intimidation and fear. The sooner the community gets actively involved in stopping graffiti the better."

Wellington City Council has devoted $225,000 to an anti-tagging flying squad. It also runs a scheme in some areas where people receive $100 rewards for information leading to the arrest of wanted taggers whose tags are listed in community newspapers.

Porirua City Council spends $200,000 cleaning up graffiti. Hutt City Council spends $130,000.

After a surge in tagging last year, Wanganui District Council doubled its anti-tagging budget to $40,000. Palmerston North spent $100,000, and Masterton up to $15,000.

Auckland City Council has spent up to $750,000 in the past.

If they want to do something mind numbingly boring, they could go grub thistles or clear gorse or something.

[scissorhands]

The world will always have white knights
The world will always have voiceless poor young males doing dumb shit
Having the cell phone near, is nearly a compulsory unless you want to face a knife, its like backup a call away

[Smifffy]

Yep, when seconds count, the police are only minutes away.


The world will always have white knights
The world will always have voiceless poor young males doing dumb shit
Having the cell phone near, is nearly a compulsory unless you want to face a knife, its like backup a call away

[HenryDorsetCase]

Are you saying that kids tagging rubbish bins is a 'problem' that 'is so big'?

I know you're the hero and GOOD ON YOU MATE for 'giving them a piece of your mind' and SAVING THE DAY and serving as a PILLAR OF YOUR COMMUNITY.

What this country needs is more people like you, telling off those naughty naughty 'niggers' for goin around 'being black' and BLIGHTING our communities!

You've earnt a river of green rep bro.

so your position is that that sort of behaviour should be tolerated or perhaps encouraged?

[Smifffy]

so your position is that that sort of behaviour should be tolerated or perhaps encouraged?

Maybe if it was encouraged, they would stop doing it?

[Indiana_Jones]

Maybe if it was encouraged, they would stop doing it?

Shot on sight of tagging would scare a few of them off you'd hope :bleh:

-Indy

[jazfender]

Camera pans to jazfender slinking away to crawl back into his hole as finding any good reason for his dark brothes to be defacing public property has sadly eludes him.

Jaz can I come and scribble all over your bike mate?

If you knew anything about graffiti, urban culture or shit, any culture...sure!

You'd probably just draw a dick though.


so your position is that that sort of behaviour should be tolerated or perhaps encouraged?

No, my position is that there are far worse problems with our society, some of which contribute to vandalism that would be better spending macho aggressiveness on.

And also that posting about how you're the man and should get all this praise for telling off a bunch of kids you don't know makes you a cock.


From 2008:

Councils spend hundreds of thousands of dollars a year battling graffiti.


Yup and it doesn't work and it doesn't work and it doesn't work but they keep spending your money.


Maybe if it was encouraged, they would stop doing it?

Maybe!

[HenryDorsetCase]

If you knew anything about graffiti, urban culture or shit, any culture...sure!

You'd probably just draw a dick though.


"urban" culture? in Hastings?

I heard its just like Compton

[Grubber]

If you knew anything about graffiti, urban culture or shit, any culture...sure!

You'd probably just draw a dick though.



No, my position is that there are far worse problems with our society, some of which contribute to vandalism that would be better spending macho aggressiveness on.

And also that posting about how you're the man and should get all this praise for telling off a bunch of kids you don't know makes you a cock.



Yup and it doesn't work and it doesn't work and it doesn't work but they keep spending your money.



Maybe!

All of this just makes you look a bigger dick than you did when you started this conversation.
Nothing short of a good hiding may get the message through and then pop them into jail for a few months for good measure.

I see on your profile you have no friends......go figure!

[nodrog]

You'd probably just draw a dick though.

I think not, I doubt he even knows what you look like.

[HenryDorsetCase]

I think not, I doubt he even knows what you look like.

I dont always draw graffiti

but when I do I draw a cock and balls.

[jazfender]

"urban" culture? in Hastings?

I heard its just like Compton

But srsly gaiz. A rat bike covered in graffiti would actually rule.


All of this just makes you look a bigger dick than you did when you started this conversation.
Nothing short of a good hiding may get the message through and then pop them into jail for a few months for good measure.

I see on your profile you have no friends......go figure!

Oh shit, you found my social status indicator.

It's ironic that you lot think "a good hiding" will sort them out when you might find a bunch of the contributing factors towards vandalism and crime comes from a violent upbringing.


I dont always draw graffiti

but when I do I draw a cock and balls.

Do you put the effort in and get all veiny?

[Headbanger]

If you knew anything about graffiti, urban culture or shit, any culture...sure!



Does this urban culture include mass produced american tosser music, huffing paint, smashing windows, and adopting either the colour red or blue just so there is a manufactured reason to have an enemy?

Thats deep, lets support that shit.

[jazfender]

Does this urban culture include mass produced american tosser music, huffing paint, smashing windows, and adopting either the colour red or blue just so there is a manufactured reason to have an enemy?

Thats deep, lets support that shit.

You just bundled a whole lot of stereotypes into one sentence which is your own 'manufactured reason' for having an enemy. Huffing paint, really?

[HenryDorsetCase]

Does this urban culture include mass produced american tosser music, huffing paint, smashing windows, and adopting either the colour red or blue just so there is a manufactured reason to have an enemy?

Thats deep, lets support that shit.

I particularly like this song.

srsly. I own an NWA CD. I stole it, obviously.

TMZi25Pq3T8&ob=av2e

[HenryDorsetCase]

You just bundled a whole lot of stereotypes into one sentence which is your own 'manufactured reason' for having an enemy. Huffing paint, really?

petrol's way better.

[Headbanger]

You just bundled a whole lot of stereotypes into one sentence which is your own 'manufactured reason' for having an enemy. Huffing paint, really?

I have no enemies, well none that I know of, so yeah, again, excellent work. I don't share the mentality.

When I see the above stereo-type I see a douchebag, not an enemy.And as part of the bigger picture they need to be shown early on what our society will accept, rather then endorsing their behaviour to the point it escalates and we all suffer for it.

Its not about us respecting their "urban culture", or in other words rights to put scribble on our shit, but for them to respect our culture and rights.

Our society has a place for everyone, But if you act like a dick then you need to be told.

[HenryDorsetCase]

yep, its a quiet morning.

[jazfender]

petrol's way better.

Way easier to get too, just siphon that shit.

[Headbanger]

I particularly like this song.



Its a great song. I have a lot o time for the classics.

For a modern release...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzeZhCt5PVA

[jazfender]

Its not about us respecting their "urban culture", or in other words rights to put scribble on our shit, but for them to respect our culture and rights.

Dude you are a typical fucking ignorant racist.

It's about us not respecting them but for them to respect us? What is that shit?

[Headbanger]

Dude you are a typical fucking ignorant racist.

It's about us not respecting them but for them to respect us? What is that shit?

ppffft, Your opinion of me is of no worth. You have offered nothing but mild encouragement for defacing public property to the detriment of the rest of society.


Grow up, If you want respect then show some, ruining the efforts of hard working honest people isn't going to cut it, and insisting you get respect to deface public property in the name of urban culture should result in a beating.

[HenryDorsetCase]

that dude that stabbed the tagger should have gotten some sort of civic recognition: perhaps a wall plaque from the "Keep New Zillind beautiful" folks.

[jazfender]

ppffft, Your opinion of me is of no worth. You have offered nothing but mild encouragement for defacing public property to the detriment of the rest of society.


Grow up, show some respect for the efforts of hard working honest folk.

OK bro, you keep going around threatening kids and posting your hero's account on here. Watch the graffiti plummet.

[Headbanger]

OK bro, you keep going around threatening kids and posting your hero's account on here. Watch the graffiti plummet.

You know I also keep a bat in the bushes beside my front gate. Always got an ear out for that spray can rattle.


Personally I think the government should be running a media campaign to promote community action against this shit, people need to be motivated to apply pressure on the fuckers.


Stabbing them of course is at the extreme end of the curve.

[jazfender]

You know I also keep a bat in the bushes beside my front gate. Always got an ear out for that spray can rattle.

Yo you go on about "lawlessness" but wanna bash some kids with a bat. Just sayin.



Personally I think the government should be running a media campaign to promote community action against this shit, people need to be motivated to apply pressure on the fuckers.


Stabbing them of course is at the extreme end of the curve.

Community action might wanna deal with the root cause instead of encouraging people to take up arms.

[Headbanger]

Yo you go on about "lawlessness" but wanna bash some kids with a bat. Just sayin.


Yeah, Thats it, I want to bash some kids with a bat.

Funny enough that would be the last thing I would ever want to do, But I will show myself and tell the fuckers to move along, The bat has never been presented but if forced into a corner I'd crack some skulls.

Pity I didn't have it on me when I walked out of my shed and found some little fuckers trying to steal my car, Guess I should have just shown them some urban culture respect and let them at it, build their cred while I go put the kettle on.

[SMOKEU]

It's all this American gangsta rap bullshit which is corrupting youth today. They think it's somehow cool to embrace the black American gangsta culture that they see on MTV and in all sorts of modern rap music. Little do they realise they're a bunch of pussies who only have strength in numbers.

They need to listen to some real music like Skrewdriver to get out of this mindset they're in.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Community action might wanna deal with the root cause instead of encouraging people to take up arms.

It worked in, er, Syria. and Libya. Just sayin

[HenryDorsetCase]

Yeah, Thats it, I want to bash some kids with a bat.

Funny enough that would be the last thing I would ever want to do, But I will show myself and tell the fuckers to move along, The bat has never been presented but if forced into a corner I'd crack some skulls.

Pity I didn't have it on me when I walked out of my shed and found some little fuckers trying to steal my car, Guess I should have just shown them some urban culture respect and let them at it, build their cred while I go put the kettle on.

What did you do?

signed,

Curious of Christchurch

[bogan]

They need to listen to some real music like Skrewdriver to get out of this mindset they're in.

punk rock may be a step better, but it still has much of the same 'fuck the authority' messages in many cases. Need some emo slashy-slashy music, problem solved!

The solution here (and in pretty much all other cases) is robotic, just have a view robots jogging round with their own spray cans, find the little shits and spray paint them, then paint over their scribbles with the appropriate color.

[Edbear]

Watch this space for more cases of retaliation from homeowners who are getting sick and tired of these thugs thinking they are invincible and can do what they like.

While not a fan of vigilante action, I don't see myself as standing idly by while someone tries to invade my home or steal from me. Naturally one calculates the odds and doesn't do anything stupid, but there are things you can do. And you don't need a baseball bat either...

[Red39]

I'm with Headbanger on this. Edmund Burke said:

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing

Every time we turn away from vandalism, every time we ignore cries and distress, every time we are blind to cruelty and bullying, we silently allow our community to fail a little more.

Eloquence in a sea of vitriol.....I like.... I like.....

[unstuck]

<iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/WkKJ7ijCumg" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe> Tagging can get out of hand.:nono:

[F5 Dave]

What I hate is there a some little fucks sqribbling shit on kids playparks & often there are 2ndry schoolkids wagging school smoking & trying their best to be cool while. . .hanging out in a kids playpark. Thing is they are scaring mums & kids away from a playpark. What a bunch of Cunts. Scribble shows up & marks it as a place to hang out or whatever, but I mean fuck sake, ohh I'm going to deface a Toddlers park.

Clearly they have no respect for their community & adopting an American gang ideology shows no respect for their own cultures be they European or Pacific originated. None of those cultures have anything in common with African Americans. Actually the Europeans are probably a closer genetic link if anything.

[jazfender]

Blaming impressionable kids for adopting a pervasive culture is fucking retarded.

[Indiana_Jones]

Blaming impressionable kids for adopting a pervasive culture is fucking retarded.

I'm from the same generation as a lot of these people, but I can't for the life of me see the appeal in driving in a $300 car with $3000 wheels, wear a silly hat with a straight peak, listen to nothing but bass in my car and spend the other half of my time pulling my pants up.....the ladies love seeing boxers........:lol:

-Indy

[unstuck]

Hopefully most of them will grow out of it.Some of them will turn out to be career criminals and maybe a few will join a real gang,but most will grow up one day. The thing that fucks me off the most is broken piss bottles everywhere. We have all done stupid shit when we were kids.I try talking to them these days,its amazing that no one seems to give a fuck about most of them, or gives a shit about what things they could be interested in. We had a couple off wannabe gang bangers hangin around our area a couple of years ago getting up to this kind of shit and I made a point of getting to know them. Bloody nice young blokes they turned out to be. Unfortunatley one of them died sniffing petrol with some other kids not long ago, but the other one loves bikes and I still take him out riding every now and then, and he seems to be getting interested in learning about heavy machinery,so I am hopeful that maybe I have found a way to deal with these guys without using violence, which is how I used to deal with everything.:bleh:

[SMOKEU]

The trouble is also the weak justice system, and the ideology of diminished responsibility which also occurs with adults. "It's not his fault he robbed a convenience store and bashed the store clerk unconscious, it's because he was abused as a child". Or "It's not really his fault that he got drunk then beat someone up and stole their wallet, it's society's fault because there are too many liquor stores around" etc.

The justice system needs to take a good, hard look at itself and nip the problem in the bud. Take steps to prevent youth crime BEFORE it gets worse.

A while ago I used to work in a supermarket and there is a big park next to the supermarket. I often had to work late nights there over the weekends. In the park there would usually be a large group of youths mostly aged between 13-18, hanging out getting drunk, tagging etc. On several occasions these youths severely beat and robbed innocent people who were walking home minding their own business. The police would get involved, but the next weekend these same people would be out doing the same thing and nothing would get done about it.

The previous Labour government are partially to blame for this, and National has done nothing to stop it. Everyone deserves a second chance, that's why we have the police diversion scheme. People don't deserve a third, fourth, fifth etc chance.

[Headbanger]

What did you do?

signed,

Curious of Christchurch

They scarpered, I chased them as far as the end of my drive where a car was waiting, They jumped in the car ,engine screaming, I stopped, They stalled the car, then sat there staring at me, The one nearest looked at me and goes "how is it bro?" as the numbnuts tried to start the car, I laughed and thought fuck I wish I had my bat.




Now, if you had asked me about the 2 that tried to stab me with screw drivers when I didn't hand over my steak burger....................

[unstuck]

The trouble is also the weak justice system, and the ideology of diminished responsibility which also occurs with adults. "It's not his fault he robbed a convenience store and bashed the store clerk unconscious, it's because he was abused as a child". Or "It's not really his fault that he got drunk then beat someone up and stole their wallet, it's society's fault because there are too many liquor stores around" etc.

The justice system needs to take a good, hard look at itself and nip the problem in the bud. Take steps to prevent youth crime BEFORE it gets worse.

A while ago I used to work in a supermarket and there is a big park next to the supermarket. I often had to work late nights there over the weekends. In the park there would usually be a large group of youths mostly aged between 13-18, hanging out getting drunk, tagging etc. On several occasions these youths severely beat and robbed innocent people who were walking home minding their own business. The police would get involved, but the next weekend these same people would be out doing the same thing and nothing would get done about it.

The previous Labour government are partially to blame for this, and National has done nothing to stop it. Everyone deserves a second chance, that's why we have the police diversion scheme. People don't deserve a third, fourth, fifth etc chance.

Agreed.:niceone:

[F5 Dave]

Blaming impressionable kids for adopting a pervasive culture is fucking retarded.
Are you saying that is is the stupid kids adopting a stupid culture when obviously most kids don't try to be gangsta wannabes? Well I didn't want to infer that. Clearly they are not trying to better themselves by going to school.

And why are you having a go at the intellectually handicapped? That's not very nice.

[scumdog]

Blaming impressionable kids for adopting a pervasive culture is fucking retarded.

True, as long as they're not harming anybody (but themselves) or damaging property of others let 'em do what they want.

Chances are that in a fair number of cases they'll be thinking in a few years "what the hell were we thinking" when they see themselves in saggy-arsed britches etc...or when they have their kid in a back-pack and realise the peak of the backward-facing hat jabs the kid in the face with each step..

[JimO]

Dude you are a typical fucking ignorant racist.

It's about us not respecting them but for them to respect us? What is that shit?

what do these shitheads do that desirves respecting

[SMOKEU]

True, as long as they're not harming anybody (but themselves) or damaging property of others let 'em do what they want.

Chances are that in a fair number of cases they'll be thinking in a few years "what the hell were we thinking" when they see themselves in saggy-arsed britches etc...or when they have their kid in a back-pack and realise the peak of the backward-facing hat jabs the kid in the face with each step..

That's an argument right there for legalizing pot. If people are allowed to damage their own bodies by being an alcoholic or being morbidly obese costing the taxpayers thousands of $ for obesity related diseases, then adults should have the choice to toke up legally if they want to.

[meteor]

Shot on sight of tagging would scare a few of them off you'd hope :bleh:

-Indy

Actually one was stabbed and died in Manurewa only a few years ago and the tagging stopped overnight...

[ellipsis]

....cant spray fuck all on a seven strand fence....I have had some dorklanders shift in up the road tho...now that is a problem....if I go and beat fuck out of them with a big stick they may leave...thanks for the idea....

[toycollector10]

There was a tough little shit that gave me grief from when I was aged 5 to about 18. Son of a Polish immigrant. Well, he gradually lost his mates. Had no money later on because of the alcohol. Obviously unemployed. I last saw him aged about 30 but looking like 50 sitting in a gutter in a mall parking lot vomiting it the middle of the day. This is probably the eventual ending for the taggers. They know how to destroy, deface, fuck up and how to generally cause people to despise them but it eventually catches up with them. I ain't got no sympathy. Fuckers! Just about as sad as the late 20's guy, could have been 30, in bare feet charging on his skateboard up at Riccarton this week. Thought he was still 16 and hip I'm guessing. Wrong. Time to grow up dude and make some sort of contribution. You know, give something back instead of taking all the time. I love to generalise of course, but all you leftie, soft cocks know it's true!

[Winston001]

Are you saying that kids tagging rubbish bins is a 'problem' that 'is so big'?.

What this country needs is more people like you, telling off those naughty naughty 'niggers' for goin around 'being black' and BLIGHTING our communities!

.

I'm no fan of kneejerk racism or rednecks. However I honestly don't think that is an issue here. Youth of any background tagging defacing or breaking other peoples property is wrong. It's nasty disrespectful stuff. If someone spraypainted your bike Jaz, you'd be a saint if you weren't at least slightly annoyed. If someone wandered into your home and scribbled on the walls, you'd be astonished and unimpressed.

Public spaces belong to all of us and deserve to be respected by all of us. I don't want my young children examining crude penis drawings and abusive language when I take them to the park. I don't want my dear old mum to see it either.

I know, vandalism sounds small-time. It isn't murder or burglary or drug dealing. However it is a signature - of disrespect and arrogance towards the rest of society who provide the parks, the schools, the hospitals - all for free.

Similarly cruelty to animals is a signature of a potential violent offender. If we ignore the nasty small stuff we encourage the larger dangerous stuff.

[Winston001]

Incidentally the only time I've caught some yoof doing the same vandalism as Headbanger, they were of European descent. White, loud, and sulky. But they walked away.

[jazfender]

I'm from the same generation as a lot of these people, but I can't for the life of me see the appeal in driving in a $300 car with $3000 wheels, wear a silly hat with a straight peak, listen to nothing but bass in my car and spend the other half of my time pulling my pants up.....the ladies love seeing boxers........:lol:

-Indy

Same generation but entirely different culture.


Are you saying that is is the stupid kids adopting a stupid culture when obviously most kids don't try to be gangsta wannabes? Well I didn't want to infer that. Clearly they are not trying to better themselves by going to school.

And why are you having a go at the intellectually handicapped? That's not very nice.

I said impressionable, not stupid. What else do you turn to when you are raised in an environment without hope?

And it was just an expression.


what do these shitheads do that desirves respecting

That's impossible to answer without actually knowing them.


I'm no fan of kneejerk racism or rednecks. However I honestly don't think that is an issue here. Youth of any background tagging defacing or breaking other peoples property is wrong. It's nasty disrespectful stuff. If someone spraypainted your bike Jaz, you'd be a saint if you weren't at least slightly annoyed. If someone wandered into your home and scribbled on the walls, you'd be astonished and unimpressed.

Public spaces belong to all of us and deserve to be respected by all of us. I don't want my young children examining crude penis drawings and abusive language when I take them to the park. I don't want my dear old mum to see it either.

I know, vandalism sounds small-time. It isn't murder or burglary or drug dealing. However it is a signature - of disrespect and arrogance towards the rest of society who provide the parks, the schools, the hospitals - all for free.

Similarly cruelty to animals is a signature of a potential violent offender. If we ignore the nasty small stuff we encourage the larger dangerous stuff.

The parks the schools and the hospitals don't compare to an environment free of violence.

Anyway, what this racist Headbanger chump did was see some kids tagging, charge over like a hero, spit the dummy and come straight online to congratulate himself as if he's somehow 'cracked the code' to stopping vandalism. A few cheeky handjobs and a backrub from his mates later and everyone agrees that this is the ANSWER to property damage.

Typical bunch of fat white old men reinforcing attitudes that might have applied sixty years ago but are NO LONGER RELEVANT AND DO NOT WORK.

Chumpbanger most probably reinforced their idea of cool because they sure as fuck don't wanna be like him.

-

As an aside, tagging is not about disrespecting peoples' property for the sake of disrespecting peoples' property. It's an expression, a voice, a statement or an idea and humans have been doing it for millenia.

Shit, there's a table in a Blenheim pub covered in scrawls from people going back decades - it has been lacquered over to preserve them.

[ducatilover]

As an aside, tagging is not about disrespecting peoples' property for the sake of disrespecting peoples' property. It's an expression, a voice, a statement or an idea and humans have been doing it for millenia.

Shit, there's a table in a Blenheim pub covered in scrawls from people going back decades - it has been lacquered over to preserve them.

Having grown up in Wainuiomata, I learned that the majority of taggers (most of my old mates, I never bothered, I had cars and naked women to draw) did so because they wanted to fuck someone off, it was not art, they hated the art idea. It was not an expressive thing, they just wanted to wind people up.
We ended up painting our fences with diesel to stop the paint from sticking.
I've been involved with that culture and I do not tolerate people defacing others property, or public property.
If you have something helpful to say that points us towards a root cause, I'd like to read it.


I'd rather not have some misguided, neglected hoodlum paint all over my stuff.
If they spent their time doing something practical, everything would be nice. Like, they could make me a cup of tea or trim my hedge.

[unstuck]

I wonder how many people are sitting around verbalizing their disaproval about tagging and vandalism, while their kids are at the mall or park with a marker or can, leaving their mark.:bleh:

[MIXONE]

I wonder how many people are sitting around verbalizing their disaproval about tagging and vandalism, while their kids are at the mall or park with a marker or can, leaving their mark.:bleh:

Not mine for a start.I'm with Headbanger on this one.Sitting back and letting these young tosspots get away with it is not the answer.A swift kick to the nether regions would be a good start.Don't know the whole answer though.

[Headbanger]

-

As an aside, tagging is not about disrespecting peoples' property for the sake of disrespecting peoples' property. It's an expression, a voice, a statement or an idea and humans have been doing it for millenia.

Shit, there's a table in a Blenheim pub covered in scrawls from people going back decades - it has been lacquered over to preserve them.

You have some growing up to do, Perspective will come with maturity,Hopefully your delusion will lift. Petty vandalism is just that, and people don't want that scribble on our shit, And no one has the right to put it there.Your justification is pointless,weak, and pathetic. You are a disgrace. Take note that you are out of step with every single other person who has entered into the discussion, There is something to be taken from that, and its not that everyone else is a twat, its you.

The post wasn't made to highlight my actions which were fruitless and pointless but to raise the subject and highlight there arrogance and brazenness, Its not something to be proud of, Its not cultural, Its something that needs to be stopped, we as a community shouldn't allow it.

And that isn't a call to arms, Against children,even thick ones that's pathetic, They just need to be shamed.

[unstuck]

Not mine for a start.I'm with Headbanger on this one.Sitting back and letting these young tosspots get away with it is not the answer.A swift kick to the nether regions would be a good start.Don't know the whole answer though.

Yeah, violence has worked in the past I guess:no: No easy answers, has got to start at home In my opinion. Maybe the young ones caught tagging should be taken home and their parents made to pay for the clean up or clean it up themselves. But a lot of these familys dont give a fuck about what their kids are getting up to, too busy getting stoned and pissed or some shit to worry about it I guess. Really dont think flying off the handle at them is the way to solve anything though. Maybe paint the world in that anti tag paint or something.I dont know the answers either. Just dont think getting violent with them is going to make it better,although I know a few in this town I would like to give a good hiding to.:bleh:

[Edbear]

... What else do you turn to when you are raised in an environment without hope?And it was just an expression.

That's impossible to answer without actually knowing them....

You make two good points here, and as another poster said, for most or many their parents couldn't care less about what they are up to.

Many of these kids grow up in an atmosphere of selfish irresponsibility, drunkenness and violence and are never given the time and attention they need with guidance for growing up successfully. Very few parents of even basically good kids think to teach consequences and outcomes of decisions the kids make.

Children need love and nurturing from birth and by 5 years old their basic personality is very much set. By 14, they are firmly established with their values and beliefs and behaviour. It takes intensive interest and persistent effort to turn such ones around and NZ simply does not have the human resources to do so for the thousands of wayward kids.

Get them alone and you can usually talk to them if you show an interest in them, it is possible to defuse the pack bravado too, if you approach them right. However, the worse their behaviour, the more likely they are going to be attacked by adults who are rightly fed-up with them. We are going to see more vigilante action and violence by homeowners against these kids.

Go into the schools and notice how the five year olds relate to their teachers, and you'll see one or two in a class with no feelings of respect or moral values at all. The poor teachers are tearing their hair out trying to engage the parents in meaningful conversation and to offer advice about child-rearing. With years of experience in early childhood education, my wife and I are constantly amazed at how ignorant many parents are and we shudder to realise their kids are going to grow up and take over. But you cannot tell the parents anything, they are defensive and anti-advice in the extreme!

[SMOKEU]

What the government really should do is have compulsory boot camps for repeat youth (and adult) offenders. If they are unable, or unwilling to be a productive member of society then they should be forced to learn the hard way through physical labour in order to be taught some discipline.




Children need love and nurturing from birth and by 5 years old their basic personality is very much set. By 14, they are firmly established with their values and beliefs and behaviour. It takes intensive interest and persistent effort to turn such ones around and NZ simply does not have the human resources to do so for the thousands of wayward kids.



That's exactly why the government needs to spend a lot of money now on free contraceptive campaigns so we don't have more unwanted kids running around with little, if any parental supervision. Fewer people on the dole, less crime, everyone WINZ!

[scissorhands]

I love the smell of divide and conquer in the morning
and heart warming to see Jaz:Police: flying the aspie honesty flag:clap:
brings a tear to my eye.


However, remember whos house you are at nigger, jesters have a higher than normal mortality rate I heard...

Show some respect when in this culture... otherwise you'll have your ass tagged:msn-wink: but probably with a cock and balls eh?

Would you defend whitey when cruising with the bros?....

[SMOKEU]

I love the smell of divide and conquer in the morning
and heart warming to see Jaz:Police: flying the aspie honesty flag:clap:
brings a tear to my eye.


However, remember whos house you are at nigger, jesters have a higher than normal mortality rate I heard...

Show some respect when in this culture... otherwise you'll have your ass tagged:msn-wink: but probably with a cock and balls eh?

Would you defend whitey when cruising with the bros?....

Who's the nigger?

[scissorhands]

Who's the nigger?

I'm using the dark zone, its all black on black to me

[HenryDorsetCase]

Same generation but entirely different culture.



I said impressionable, not stupid. What else do you turn to when you are raised in an environment without hope?

And it was just an expression.



That's impossible to answer without actually knowing them.



The parks the schools and the hospitals don't compare to an environment free of violence.

Anyway, what this racist Headbanger chump did was see some kids tagging, charge over like a hero, spit the dummy and come straight online to congratulate himself as if he's somehow 'cracked the code' to stopping vandalism. A few cheeky handjobs and a backrub from his mates later and everyone agrees that this is the ANSWER to property damage.

Typical bunch of fat white old men reinforcing attitudes that might have applied sixty years ago but are NO LONGER RELEVANT AND DO NOT WORK.

Chumpbanger most probably reinforced their idea of cool because they sure as fuck don't wanna be like him.

-

As an aside, tagging is not about disrespecting peoples' property for the sake of disrespecting peoples' property. It's an expression, a voice, a statement or an idea and humans have been doing it for millenia.

Shit, there's a table in a Blenheim pub covered in scrawls from people going back decades - it has been lacquered over to preserve them.

I never got a handjob. Just saying. I wanted one too.

I do enjoy you railing against stereotyping, and saying respect their culture then going on about "fat old white men". I am middle aged thank you.

whatever.

[F5 Dave]

. What else do you turn to when you are raised in an environment without hope?
. . .


Aww boohoo. FFS this isn't Lebanon, This isn't Sudan. Without hope? yer shitting me. Plenty of immigrants come here with sod all of nothing & try, fail, work hard fail, try again & make something of their lives. They are more disadvantaged.

And plenty of Kiwis go over to Auss & the UK etc & make something happen as well. Without hope? Lets all listen to Emo music.



. And it was just an expression.

. . .
Lots of things are just an expression that offend others. You shout Racism, but then marginalise your own bigotry as just an expression.

[bogan]

As an aside, tagging is not about disrespecting peoples' property for the sake of disrespecting peoples' property. It's an expression, a voice, a statement or an idea and humans have been doing it for millenia.

Shit, there's a table in a Blenheim pub covered in scrawls from people going back decades - it has been lacquered over to preserve them.

Well if its an expression :rolleyes: hang on, I'd like to express myself by putting foot to ass, contains a stronger statement than a few ballbags (and whatever they decide to scribble) on park benches too I would think :whistle:

[Swoop]

Yup and it doesn't work and it doesn't work and it doesn't work but they keep spending your money.

Strangely it (removing graffiti) does work.
West Auckland has a scheme financed by The Trust, where vans are able to go around eliminating any form of graffiti almost instantly. A hotline phone call and the area is graffiti-free.
A superb system and the "artists" know their hard work will be gone without recognition.



tagging is not about disrespecting peoples' property for the sake of disrespecting peoples' property. It's an expression, a voice, a statement or an idea and humans have been doing it for millenia.
No. It is like a dog pissing on a lamp post trying to mark a territory and very little else.

Decent graffiti artists' can produce some superb artwork worthy of exhibition in public places and galleries. A shop on my road has a very nice mural on one exterior sidewall, yet there have been a few attempts to "scribble" on it by a, shall we say, "less prominent artist":rolleyes:, sadly.

[Indiana_Jones]

Same generation but entirely different culture.


Yea, but what makes them pick that culture? I'm a Pom and have seen plenty of other Europeans and Euro-Kiwis selecting this culture :scratch:

-Indy

[Headbanger]

Crazy that anyone is queer enough in the head to believe that a person has the cultural right to deface other peoples property, and anyone who objects to this is in the wrong.

I suppose they have a career ahead of them as a winz case manager.

[Indiana_Jones]

Crazy that anyone is queer enough in the head to believe that a person has the cultural right to deface other peoples property, and anyone who objects to this is in the wrong.

I suppose they have a career ahead of them as a winz case manager.

Agreed.

They can dress silly and listen to crap music. But when they start fucking up other people's property it's just plain rude.

-Indy

[BoristheBiter]

Crazy that anyone is queer enough in the head to believe that a person has the cultural right to deface other peoples property, and anyone who objects to this is in the wrong.

I suppose they have a career ahead of them as a winz case manager.

fuck no, he's not that intelligent.

[jazfender]

Having grown up in Wainuiomata, I learned that the majority of taggers (most of my old mates, I never bothered, I had cars and naked women to draw) did so because they wanted to fuck someone off, it was not art, they hated the art idea. It was not an expressive thing, they just wanted to wind people up.
We ended up painting our fences with diesel to stop the paint from sticking.
I've been involved with that culture and I do not tolerate people defacing others property, or public property.
If you have something helpful to say that points us towards a root cause, I'd like to read it.


I'd rather not have some misguided, neglected hoodlum paint all over my stuff.
If they spent their time doing something practical, everything would be nice. Like, they could make me a cup of tea or trim my hedge.

You just touched on it with the "misguided, neglected" part. Practical, like work? If your solution is to just throw kids into the workforce you will need to provide jobs and training because there sure as fuck isn't much of that going around, even for the "adults".


You have some growing up to do, Perspective will come with maturity,Hopefully your delusion will lift. Petty vandalism is just that, and people don't want that scribble on our shit, And no one has the right to put it there.Your justification is pointless,weak, and pathetic. You are a disgrace. Take note that you are out of step with every single other person who has entered into the discussion, There is something to be taken from that, and its not that everyone else is a twat, its you.

The post wasn't made to highlight my actions which were fruitless and pointless but to raise the subject and highlight there arrogance and brazenness, Its not something to be proud of, Its not cultural, Its something that needs to be stopped, we as a community shouldn't allow it.

And that isn't a call to arms, Against children,even thick ones that's pathetic, They just need to be shamed.

Look, I'm not justifying my position based on other participants of this thread agreeing with me. If that's your strategy then whatever but it's not what I'm trying to do so you may as well drop that rhetoric.

Why do you think kids that are already disenchanted from 'our society' need to be shamed? Can you not see that this would more than likely INCREASE their cred amongst their mates?

Like I said, this ain't the fifties, these kids don't give a fuck about what some old dude on a bike thinks.



You make two good points here, and as another poster said, for most or many their parents couldn't care less about what they are up to.

Many of these kids grow up in an atmosphere of selfish irresponsibility, drunkenness and violence and are never given the time and attention they need with guidance for growing up successfully. Very few parents of even basically good kids think to teach consequences and outcomes of decisions the kids make.

Children need love and nurturing from birth and by 5 years old their basic personality is very much set. By 14, they are firmly established with their values and beliefs and behaviour. It takes intensive interest and persistent effort to turn such ones around and NZ simply does not have the human resources to do so for the thousands of wayward kids.

Get them alone and you can usually talk to them if you show an interest in them, it is possible to defuse the pack bravado too, if you approach them right. However, the worse their behaviour, the more likely they are going to be attacked by adults who are rightly fed-up with them. We are going to see more vigilante action and violence by homeowners against these kids.

Go into the schools and notice how the five year olds relate to their teachers, and you'll see one or two in a class with no feelings of respect or moral values at all. The poor teachers are tearing their hair out trying to engage the parents in meaningful conversation and to offer advice about child-rearing. With years of experience in early childhood education, my wife and I are constantly amazed at how ignorant many parents are and we shudder to realise their kids are going to grow up and take over. But you cannot tell the parents anything, they are defensive and anti-advice in the extreme!

This.


I love the smell of divide and conquer in the morning
and heart warming to see Jaz:Police: flying the aspie honesty flag:clap:
brings a tear to my eye.

However, remember whos house you are at nigger, jesters have a higher than normal mortality rate I heard...

Show some respect when in this culture... otherwise you'll have your ass tagged:msn-wink: but probably with a cock and balls eh?

Would you defend whitey when cruising with the bros?....

According to this nutter I am now a black dude with Asperger's - like he somehow can't imagine someone defending others without them sharing the same demographic, skin colour or personal plight.



I never got a handjob. Just saying. I wanted one too.

I do enjoy you railing against stereotyping, and saying respect their culture then going on about "fat old white men". I am middle aged thank you.

whatever.

That's an oversimplification of what I'm saying but yeah, hypocrisy is the new irony.


Aww boohoo. FFS this isn't Lebanon, This isn't Sudan. Without hope? yer shitting me. Plenty of immigrants come here with sod all of nothing & try, fail, work hard fail, try again & make something of their lives. They are more disadvantaged.

And plenty of Kiwis go over to Auss & the UK etc & make something happen as well. Without hope? Lets all listen to Emo music.


I'm talking about kids and teens, how do they get out of their environment?



Lots of things are just an expression that offend others. You shout Racism, but then marginalise your own bigotry as just an expression.

There's a difference between hate-speech and idle colloquialism - context.


Well if its an expression :rolleyes: hang on, I'd like to express myself by putting foot to ass, contains a stronger statement than a few ballbags (and whatever they decide to scribble) on park benches too I would think :whistle:

Well both are illegal, what's the difference?


Strangely it (removing graffiti) does work.
West Auckland has a scheme financed by The Trust, where vans are able to go around eliminating any form of graffiti almost instantly. A hotline phone call and the area is graffiti-free.
A superb system and the "artists" know their hard work will be gone without recognition.

No. It is like a dog pissing on a lamp post trying to mark a territory and very little else.

I think you're confusing graffiti art with tagging. Anyway, how do you know it's gone without recognition? Yeah maybe without recognition by a fucking gallery but they're not doing it for that.

Does this hotline stop people from taking pxts of their shit and posting it on tagging forums?



Decent graffiti artists' can produce some superb artwork worthy of exhibition in public places and galleries. A shop on my road has a very nice mural on one exterior sidewall, yet there have been a few attempts to "scribble" on it by a, shall we say, "less prominent artist":rolleyes:, sadly.

What is considered "worthy of exhibition" is defined by a culture they don't care for. Corporations have already capitalised on graffiti anyway, it's everywhere in marketing. That shows how powerful those social forces are.


Yea, but what makes them pick that culture? I'm a Pom and have seen plenty of other Europeans and Euro-Kiwis selecting this culture :scratch:

-Indy

It's a dominating form of youth culture and is looooved by corporations. They have marketed the fuck out of street, hiphop, graffiti and "tough" culture. So there's another example of how pathetic and useless Headbanger's "stand" against taggers is.

[jazfender]

I need a beer.

[bogan]

Well both are illegal, what's the difference?

Not a lot if you ask me, both are pretty disrespectful (obviously a beating is the more severe of the two). Surely you wouldn't condone random beatings as valid acts of expression too?

[DrunkenMistake]

Cool Story Bro.

[Headbanger]

Look, I'm not justifying my position based on other participants of this thread agreeing with me. If that's your strategy then whatever but it's not what I'm trying to do so you may as well drop that rhetoric.

.


When you lack wisdom then look to your peers for guidance.

You haven't justified your position in any way,you're delusional

[jazfender]

Not a lot if you ask me, both are pretty disrespectful (obviously a beating is the more severe of the two). Surely you wouldn't condone random beatings as valid acts of expression too?

Nah but to be clear I was just mocking Headbanger's "stand against lawlessness".

[Swoop]

I think you're confusing graffiti art with tagging.
No. There is quite a difference between the two. The scribble of someone with a can/ink pen and another who can display quite a vast array of artistic talent is like difference between chalk and cheese.


Does this hotline stop people from taking pxts of their shit and posting it on tagging forums?
If they are clever enough to take a pxt at night (when most of this happens) then that might be the "fame" they get. Around here the graffiti is gone the next morning.

[jazfender]

No. There is quite a difference between the two. The scribble of someone with a can/ink pen and another who can display quite a vast array of artistic talent is like difference between chalk and cheese.

Absolutely, although what the majority of society may deem a scribble is seen as something entirely different within that culture.



If they are clever enough to take a pxt at night (when most of this happens) then that might be the "fame" they get. Around here the graffiti is gone the next morning.

Right, but that is all that's really needed. Your concept of fame most likely differs from theirs.

[george formby]

We have a kids play area at the back of our house which occasionally suffers from teens trying to wreck it & tag it. It used to happen fairly regularly with myself or my girlfriend giving the bored yoof a rev up for being so dumb & inconsiderate. Then we hit on a startling idea, going around to their homes & telling the parents. The vast majority gave the kids a bollocking but one or two families are just wastes of skin & threatened us so we called the cops who gave them a bollocking, recorded the tagging & started picking the kids up when ever it re-surfaced.
Apart from members of these families occasionally venting their dissatisfaction with society by vandalising stuff, things are pretty quiet now & I know a lot more people in my immediate community.

[ducatilover]

You just touched on it with the "misguided, neglected" part. Practical, like work? If your solution is to just throw kids into the workforce you will need to provide jobs and training because there sure as fuck isn't much of that going around, even for the "adults".




Practical, yes like work.
You're certainly right in regards to there being f-all of it around, I'm struggling to keep afloat and I'm a reasonably intelligent and eloquent young chap who is begging for work.
It's a shit situation these young rapscallions are growing up in. :no:
If there is a solution, I'd love to see it.
My family does all it can for younger people who are "less fortunate", we foster two kids for CYFS, great kids too. But, easily misled and have had a shit childhood and in my eyes may have ended up as thugs if it weren't for my parents.
So that's two of them off the street, many more to go.

[BoristheBiter]

You just touched on it with the "misguided, neglected" part. Practical, like work? If your solution is to just throw kids into the workforce you will need to provide jobs and training because there sure as fuck isn't much of that going around, even for the "adults".
.


Practical, yes like work.
You're certainly right in regards to there being f-all of it around, I'm struggling to keep afloat and I'm a reasonably intelligent and eloquent young chap who is begging for work.
It's a shit situation these young rapscallions are growing up in. :no:
If there is a solution, I'd love to see it.
My family does all it can for younger people who are "less fortunate", we foster two kids for CYFS, great kids too. But, easily misled and have had a shit childhood and in my eyes may have ended up as thugs if it weren't for my parents.
So that's two of them off the street, many more to go.

Bollocks, it has to do with right and wrong. It doesn't matter whether you are on the bones of your arse or have millions you still know right from wrong.

Call it what you like, graffiti, art, tagging, it is all just plain old common vandalism and should be dealt with accordingly.

Bring back the orange jumpsuit.

[ducatilover]

Bollocks, it has to do with right and wrong. It doesn't matter whether you are on the bones of your arse or have millions you still know right from wrong.

Call it what you like, graffiti, art, tagging, it is all just plain old common vandalism and should be dealt with accordingly.

Bring back the orange jumpsuit.
One doesn't care for right or wrong when they have never been given a reason for caring.
If there were repercussions and decent parenting involved there would be far less fuckwittery out there.

[george formby]

Slowly but surely the cries of the morally indignant have rendered adults powerless to "educate" kids right from wrong, what is acceptable behaviour & what is not. Teachers, Police, neighbours etc can do nothing to correct an kid living on a diet of internet, violent video games, gangsta rap etc when they take it to the street.

When I we're a lad etc etc I knew that if I over stepped the mark & got caught I was going to get a proper bollocking off somebody, any adult who caught me. It did not stop me doing stuff but certainly made me think about it. That's just the nature of youth, pushing the boundaries til it hurts.

Our entertainment culture is violent & destructive & at the same time community is breaking down, nobody says boo anymore in case they get into trouble.

I blame the Sue Bradfords & her predecessors world wide for causing fear in the community & plain old stupidity for not recognising that kids are shaped by their peers, even if they are on you tube.

The problems of unemployment & education have not changed much, but the expectations of society have. So now we have no limits & no control.

[Indiana_Jones]

All this talk if youth and rebellion....

Now I have 'White riot' blasting out on my turntable....

fuck I feel old :lol:

-Indy

[scissorhands]

Absolutely, although what the majority of society may deem a scribble is seen as something entirely different within that culture.

How come you dont see tags on island churches or island businesses or homes?

[jazfender]

How come you dont see tags on island churches or island businesses or homes?

I haven't particularly noticed and don't know.

One of the "rules" around tagging used to be that you don't tag homes but I'm not sure if that's still adhered to.

[scumdog]

Chumpbanger most probably reinforced their idea of cool because they sure as fuck don't wanna be like him.



Start bagging the messenger and not the message and your argument will lose any credibility with me.

But I guess you don't give a toss about THAT though...:rolleyes:

[scumdog]

I wonder how many people are sitting around verbalizing their disaproval about tagging and vandalism, while their kids are at the mall or park with a marker or can, leaving their mark.:bleh:

Not my boys.

They had heard enough of my opinions of the slack-jawed mouth-breathing paint-stealing beanie-wearing saggy-arsed pant wearing taggers and vandals to risk being like them...funny how a few years later so many of the above described ended up sitting around outside the Court house sucking on a cigarette while waiting to be called up...

[unstuck]

Not my boys.

They had heard enough of my opinions of the slack-jawed mouth-breathing paint-stealing beanie-wearing saggy-arsed pant wearing taggers and vandals to risk being like them...funny how a few years later so many of the above described ended up sitting around outside the Court house sucking on a cigarette while waiting to be called up...

Good to hear. And it is cool to sit around outside the court house, spitting and smoking:msn-wink:. I found my daughters tag on the side of the local paper plus so I went and rounded her up and took her home to get a bucket and cleaning products then took her back to clean it off after taking her into the shop to apologize. Was quite a few kids there too, but most of them kept quiet. Dont think she ever did it again.:bleh:

[Swoop]

Your concept of fame most likely differs from theirs.
Quite true. Having some "yoof" raise their eyebrow and say "chur" means very little, quite frankly.


Teachers, Police, neighbours etc can do nothing to correct an kid...
A mate in the ecilops sees things quite differently. Dark night = a good wallop and sent off home and nothing more is said. Do it again and the rules are entirely different.
Good to see some sensible policing happening still.

[ellipsis]

....I kinda liked it when culture had a barbaric ring to it...and fucking with others property went with a price...

[paturoa]

You think vandalism is a serious problem in our society?

I've read this entire thread and are unclear on your views, specifically:

1) Do you think it is OK to tag / vandalise public and private property?
2) Is your issue with how hb called it out to the scum them selves at the time or how he wrote about it on an internet forum?
3) Your full of thoughts on how its everyone's fault 'cept the vandals themselves, have you noticed that the more this meme pervades, the worse "it" gets?
4) If it is not OK / racist for hb to say "shitskins" and "nigger", isn't it also not / OK racist for you to say "fat white old men"? (reference here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypocrite )
5) Is it OK for me to call them scum or does that make me a "fat white old man" too (you forgot bald, so obviously your prejudices / racism doen't extend as far as hbs!)
6) What is you view on solutions other than to tell ducfucker that he (me?) needs to provide jobs and training?

[JimO]

i have 3 boys, none of them tag, none of their mates tag, in fact there is very little tagging in dunedin, possibly because there aren't many little black cunts about

[unstuck]

Heaps of white kids tag too man.:bleh:

[98tls]

What's the problem bro, that you gotta share a country with "shitskins"?

Not the colour of your skin that fucks me off its your attitude,havent bothered reading the pages past your reply as theres no need its pretty obvious your just another using the colour of your skin to cry foul,get over it eh nobody gives a shit what colour you are but wether pink/brown purple or red start trying to make people feel like you should get special treatment because of it then you will cop some flak.:weird:So fucking simple really eh.

[SMOKEU]

i have 3 boys, none of them tag, none of their mates tag, in fact there is very little tagging in dunedin, possibly because there aren't many little black cunts about


Heaps of white kids tag too man.:bleh:

That's why I'm glad I live in a white neighbourhood. I've lived at this place for around 3 years and they only tag I've seen in this area is a swastika spray painted onto the pavement just down the road from me. I can walk the streets and I only see a nigger maybe once every 2 weeks or so around here.

Ever noticed the trend where the blacker the area, the more crime that exists?

[Winston001]

I feel a need to defend Jaz even if I don't agree with him.

His point (if Jaz will forgive me) is there are some yoof who have no normal caring home, who have never learned to respect other people, who feel like they are worthless and outside regular society. They get this from their parents who have an equally hopeless worldview.

Ergo we need to understand these waifs and extend compassion to them.

There is also a subtext that "normal" society is restrictive and indifferent to cultural expression.

Ok, I think wrong is wrong. I think these dispossed yoof do know right from wrong because they are exposed to it at school but home life undermines that.

Standing up for ourselves is the only way they can learn that our tolerant society has limits. Still, subtly has its benefits. Try approaching yoof in a low-key unthreatening way: it is likely to get far better results than anger. It isn't natural or easy to do but I've spent a lifetime learning reflective listening and persuasion. Its hard but it does work.

[unstuck]

I feel a need to defend Jaz even if I don't agree with him.

His point (if Jaz will forgive me) is there are some yoof who have no normal caring home, who have never learned to respect other people, who feel like they are worthless and outside regular society. They get this from their parents who have an equally hopeless worldview.

Ergo we need to understand these waifs and extend compassion to them.

There is also a subtext that "normal" society is restrictive and indifferent to cultural expression.

Ok, I think wrong is wrong. I think these dispossed yoof do know right from wrong because they are exposed to it at school but home life undermines that.

Standing up for ourselves is the only way they can learn that our tolerant society has limits. Still, subtly has its benefits. Try approaching yoof in a low-key unthreatening way: it is likely to get far better results than anger. It isn't natural or easy to do but I've spent a lifetime learning reflective listening and persuasion. Its hard but it does work.

+1 . :first::niceone:

[Headbanger]

I feel a need to defend Jaz even if I don't agree with him.

His point (if Jaz will forgive me) is there are some yoof who have no normal caring home, who have never learned to respect other people.....


Which is why its important for society to inform them of acceptable behaviour if there parents didn't install any respect in them. (it sure as hell doesn't equal cultural rights, or something to the endorsed)

All the caring in the world can't turn back 15 years of shit parenting, and jail awaits them if they can't figure out that society has some rules.

Plus of course most of this crap is done at night or on groups, so they already know its not wanted, its just a pathetic little rush for them.

And I was as subtle as I can get, It took a lot of effort. Lmfao.

[Flip]

Its the same old problem with the youth of today, its been around for ages.

"The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for
authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place
of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their
households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They
contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties
at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers."

Socrates 469-399 BC

They will grow out of it, they always have.

[SMOKEU]

They will grow out of it, they always have.

How much shit do they have to put other people through before they grow out of it?

I wasn't exactly a saint when I was young, as me and my mates would sometimes get drunk at the local park on a Friday night off alcohol I obtained from my dads booze cabinet, but we would NEVER tag or otherwise vandalise property, and we would never hang out in big groups intimidating people.

A line needs to be drawn, and the government needs to take action. The sort of shit that seems to be OK over here is totally unacceptable in many other developed countries.

[Flip]

Tell me you haven't done a burn-out?

I actually feel sorry for the kids today. Everybody is watching what they do and they actually have bugger all real freedom. The things I did when I was young would have gotten me locked up and probably had my parents arrested as well, that was the 60's and 70's thing were different then. I turned out ok, mostly.

You can't be smart without experience and virtue—all virtue—is knowledge. The tagging is just stupid, dumb ass kids behaviour.

A quote from 60 years ago.... "You are where you are today because you stand on somebody's shoulders. ... We have enough youth, how about a fountain of Smart? .... Winston Churchill ...

Nothing has changed, they will grow out of it and next year it will be some thing new to drive the parents crazy.

[jazfender]

Start bagging the messenger and not the message and your argument will lose any credibility with me.

But I guess you don't give a toss about THAT though...:rolleyes:

I disagree with the message and the messenger.


I've read this entire thread and are unclear on your views, specifically:

1) Do you think it is OK to tag / vandalise public and private property?
2) Is your issue with how hb called it out to the scum them selves at the time or how he wrote about it on an internet forum?
3) Your full of thoughts on how its everyone's fault 'cept the vandals themselves, have you noticed that the more this meme pervades, the worse "it" gets?
4) If it is not OK / racist for hb to say "shitskins" and "nigger", isn't it also not / OK racist for you to say "fat white old men"? (reference here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypocrite )
5) Is it OK for me to call them scum or does that make me a "fat white old man" too (you forgot bald, so obviously your prejudices / racism doen't extend as far as hbs!)
6) What is you view on solutions other than to tell ducfucker that he (me?) needs to provide jobs and training?

1) Private, no. Public - it depends.
2) My issue is how he dealt with it, exploding in rage, threatening kids and then boasting about it on the internet like he should be getting praised.
3) I am not suggesting personal accountability is removed, I am saying that there are a lot of contributing factors that SHOULD give Headbanger more than enough reason to exercise restraint, and if he's so concerned - call the people that are employed to police/clear that shit.
4) While my retaliatory use of stereotype was VERY NAUGHTY and hypocritical, I hardly think it is on the same level as what he said. To be honest I only did it to juxtapose HB's comments and if anyone was SRSLY OFFENDED then y'know, I'm sorry. Really my position is that people should be able to say whatever the fuck they like, racist or not but that they should be prepared to deal with those that disagree.
5) You can call them that but whether people think it is OK or not is up to them. Since you're in the company of a bunch of fucking racists you're probably good. Hit SMOKEU up, heard he's having a holocaust party this weekend.

6) Possible solutions:

- Paint over it, seems to be working in West Aucks according to that guy before
- Allow more street art installations in public places, graffiti or not, taggers have more respect for artists than angry bike riders
- Be more tolerant and thus diffuse tagging/vandalism as an act of rebellion
- Change the culture, fucking hard and unlikely but an obvious solution that would involve changing role models and includes big corporations that are making a killing off this shit
- Sort out the poverty/quality of living in neighbourhoods without hope or futures
- Sort out the lingering race/class issues


Not the colour of your skin that fucks me off its your attitude,havent bothered reading the pages past your reply as theres no need its pretty obvious your just another using the colour of your skin to cry foul,get over it eh nobody gives a shit what colour you are but wether pink/brown purple or red start trying to make people feel like you should get special treatment because of it then you will cop some flak.:weird:So fucking simple really eh.

Colour of my skin? Mate I make an iceberg look tanned.


I feel a need to defend Jaz even if I don't agree with him.

His point (if Jaz will forgive me) is there are some yoof who have no normal caring home, who have never learned to respect other people, who feel like they are worthless and outside regular society. They get this from their parents who have an equally hopeless worldview.

Ergo we need to understand these waifs and extend compassion to them.

There is also a subtext that "normal" society is restrictive and indifferent to cultural expression.

Ok, I think wrong is wrong. I think these dispossed yoof do know right from wrong because they are exposed to it at school but home life undermines that.

Standing up for ourselves is the only way they can learn that our tolerant society has limits. Still, subtly has its benefits. Try approaching yoof in a low-key unthreatening way: it is likely to get far better results than anger. It isn't natural or easy to do but I've spent a lifetime learning reflective listening and persuasion. Its hard but it does work.

More or less. Especially when it's not even your property.

[jazfender]

How much shit do they have to put other people through before they grow out of it?

I wasn't exactly a saint when I was young, as me and my mates would sometimes get drunk at the local park on a Friday night off alcohol I obtained from my dads booze cabinet, but we would NEVER tag or otherwise vandalise property, and we would never hang out in big groups intimidating people.

You're comparing when you were young to now like it's the same age and same world.



A line needs to be drawn, and the government needs to take action. The sort of shit that seems to be OK over here is totally unacceptable in many other developed countries.

Oh yeah, like what kind of shit and which countries?

[Headbanger]

I disagree with the message and the messenger.
2) My issue is how he dealt with it, exploding in rage, threatening kids and then boasting about it on the internet like he should be getting praised.




That is quite pathetic.

Have you ever witnessed a person "exploding with rage"?

Given that there was no rage explosion, threats, or boasting, I can't see you have done anything for your credibility. I'm going to guess you struggle with quite a few things.

[jazfender]

That is quite pathetic.

Have you ever witnessed a person "exploding with rage"?

Given that there was no rage explosion, threats, or boasting, I can't see you have done anything for your credibility. I'm going to guess you struggle with quite a few things.

Yeah dude I meant literally, you walked over to those kids and detonated.

Fucking idiot.

[ellipsis]

...what about an exploding penguin...

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[Headbanger]

Yeah dude I meant literally, you walked over to those kids and detonated.

Fucking idiot.

Pffft, I know what you meant, And your twisted little mind is still miles off.

[Headbanger]

You're comparing when you were young to now like it's the same age and same world.



Seriously, how old are you?, You come across like a child who has grasped a sniff of the adult world, now thinks they know everything, and everyone else is to be dismissed as ignorant.

Your peers are with listening to, People who have been around the block a few times have a far better grasp on the real world then some delusional wet behind the ears twat.

[SMOKEU]

Oh yeah, like what kind of shit and which countries?

I've been to Singapore and I travelled around quite a bit on public transport, and there just wasn't any tagging to be seen anywhere. The punishments are severe for that kind of behaviour, and therefore people behave accordingly. I've walked around late at night and in the early hours of the morning on weekends doing pub crawls in Singapore, and there wasn't any antisocial behaviour that I could see which is rife in NZ. People weren't running around drunk making a huge noise and causing trouble, instead everyone behaved in an orderly manner.

BTW, I'm now 22 years old so it wasn't that long ago when I was 16. Still pretty much the same time and same world.

[jazfender]

I've been to Singapore and I travelled around quite a bit on public transport, and there just wasn't any tagging to be seen anywhere. The punishments are severe for that kind of behaviour, and therefore people behave accordingly. I've walked around late at night and in the early hours of the morning on weekends doing pub crawls in Singapore, and there wasn't any antisocial behaviour that I could see which is rife in NZ. People weren't running around drunk making a huge noise and causing trouble, instead everyone behaved in an orderly manner.

Wtf Singapore, really?

Obviously there's reduced crime/tagging with a country that still uses caning and the death penalty as punishment. Not to mention the limited freedom of citizens and press.



BTW, I'm now 22 years old so it wasn't that long ago when I was 16. Still pretty much the same time and same world.

Aight I admit, I made an unfair assumption on your age because of your racism. Sorry about that.

Whether or not you tagged as a teenager makes no difference to my argument.

[bogan]

Wtf Singapore, really?

Obviously there's reduced crime/tagging with a country that still uses caning and the death penalty as punishment. Not to mention the limited freedom of citizens and press.


Isn't the argument that we need to be harsher on the little shits perfectly exemplified by Singapore then? :weird:

[jazfender]

Isn't the argument that we need to be harsher on the little shits perfectly exemplified by Singapore then? :weird:

At the expense of other liberties? Don't think so. And keep in mind that 85% of Singaporeans live in state housing.

[bogan]

At the expense of other liberties? Don't think so. And keep in mind that 85% of Singaporeans live in state housing.

What it says is that harsher penalties work, we have to decide whether it is worth it, or whether there is a happier medium.

I think parents who do not raise their children to be able to cope with the society they live in (and take advantage of), either need to allow society to do some of the raising (no more wet bus ticket punishments), or go live somewhere they will not create a negative impact. Just saying oh its fine, kids will be kids, teenagers will be teenagers, delinquent adults will be delinquents..... doesn't really seem like its working does it?

[george formby]

I have a few customers in my shop who are delinquent little sh^ts, I grimaced when they first started coming in to watch gangsta crap on you tube. Never judge a book by it's cover though. A few times one or another has used more time than he can pay for & I have had to trust they will come back & pay. They have, every single time & most appreciatively too. A lot of them are constantly getting into trouble in our community but have never given me grief, I have never given them any either, helped them out if they need it, treat them with a bit of humour same as the rest of customers etc.
Overall kids are kids & only a very few will become criminals, the rest might not amount to f all but they will still have a bit of decency about them.

[SMOKEU]

Wtf Singapore, really?

Obviously there's reduced crime/tagging with a country that still uses caning and the death penalty as punishment. Not to mention the limited freedom of citizens and press.



I'm not saying I want to live in Singapore or that I agree with everything in their justice system, but we can learn a few things from them about criminal justice. If people are unable or unwilling to be a "good" member of society, then they should pay the consequences. I support caning and public shaming for offenders who commit crime time and time again because obviously our justice system isn't working if people are "allowed" to accumulate dozens of convictions.

[Headbanger]

You're comparing when you were young to now like it's the same age and same world.


Can you explain to me how life was different for an 18 year old in 1991 compared to now?

I'd be quite interested to know. How has the world changed?, what problems and situations exist now that didn't then?

[oneofsix]

Can you explain to me how life was different for an 18 year old in 1991 compared to now?

I'd be quite interested to know. How has the world changed?, what problems and situations exist now that didn't then?

the anti-smacking law :woohoo:

[george formby]

Can you explain to me how life was different for an 18 year old in 1991 compared to now?

I'd be quite interested to know. How has the world changed?, what problems and situations exist now that didn't then?

Good question. Essentially I think the divide between the haves & have not's is getting greater. An over simplification but true I feel.

[avgas]

Good question. Essentially I think the divide between the haves & have not's is getting greater. An over simplification but true I feel.
Disagree a bit here. The have and have nots are being driven by other stuff.

Wants have become needs.
I remember being a youngin in 91, problems still existed. But back then the have nots didn't eat or ate crap, didn't own a car, didn't own nice furniture.

Now the have nots eat small amounts of KFC and can't pay their cellphone bill and automatic payments for their hire purchases fail.
Never mind the fact that if they didn't have a cellphone or the fancy tv, new couch on HP..... didn't buy take out.......they could probably buy better food.

I used to know lots of solo-parents, unemployed etc in the early 90's. Most did not have car, or phone. Only the necessities. Good luck finding someone these days with that much will power.

[Flip]

Can you explain to me how life was different for an 18 year old in 1991 compared to now?

I'd be quite interested to know. How has the world changed?, what problems and situations exist now that didn't then?

The only difference is we were 20 years younger and our point of view was different, thats all. The problems were all the same.

[george formby]

Disagree a bit here. The have and have nots are being driven by other stuff.

Wants have become needs.
I remember being a youngin in 91, problems still existed. But back then the have nots didn't eat or ate crap, didn't own a car, didn't own nice furniture.

Now the have nots eat small amounts of KFC and can't pay their cellphone bill and automatic payments for their hire purchases fail.
Never mind the fact that if they didn't have a cellphone or the fancy tv, new couch on HP..... didn't buy take out.......they could probably buy better food.

I used to know lots of solo-parents, unemployed etc in the early 90's. Most did not have car, or phone. Only the necessities. Good luck finding someone these days with that much will power.

I kind of agree but view the difference as changes in society, well, in the ability to get stuff on tick. I often have locals come in, the parents of the yoof this thread started about, printing off forms to extend the money they can borrow from instant finance companies. That was unheard of 20 years ago in the UK. Consequently they are borrowing more at inflated rates just to make ends meet (or buy a set of alloys) driving the divide I was talking about. This is the example their kids are living by.
Sadly, talking to my customers they know exactly how far up shit creek they are but as you say lack the will power or wherewithal to turn things around.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Can you explain to me how life was different for an 18 year old in 1991 compared to now?

I'd be quite interested to know. How has the world changed?, what problems and situations exist now that didn't then?


The only difference is we were 20 years younger and our point of view was different, thats all. The problems were all the same.

I think things are different for sure. I was born in 1966. Kids now are exposed to far more violence via the telly and play station, and alcohol and drungs are far easier to get hold of too. The mixture is more often than not, not good. Add in the whole LA gang culture crap going on...and it's ugly. Uglier than when I was a badly behaved kid. I bent the odd letter box over, and when going through the whole 'punk scene' fought in public with skinheads and bogans as well as the first batch of 'street kids'. But it was a lot simpler back then I think.

[george formby]

I think things are different for sure. I was born in 1966. Kids now are exposed to far more violence via the telly and play staion, and alcohol and drungs are far easier to get hold of too. The mixture is more often than not, not good. Add in the whole LA gang culture crap going on...and it's ugly. Uglier than when I was a badly behaved kid. I bent the odd letter box over, and when going through the whole 'punk scene' fought in public with skinheads and bogans as well as the first batch of 'street kids'. But it was a lot simpler back then I think.

Yup, I was typical of that. Would never have dreamed of being tooled up though or mugging an oap. Any hoo. Where do you get your drungs from? Must be strong stuff.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Yup, I was typical of that. Would never have dreamed of being tooled up though or mugging an oap. Any hoo. Where do you get your drungs from? Must be strong stuff.

Ditto. Only the odd street kid/skin head was packing a weapon back then, now it's most cunts. Drungs are far more dangerouser than drugs. Taste like shite (dung) though.

[Headbanger]

I think things are different for sure. I was born in 1966. Kids now are exposed to far more violence via the telly and play staion, and alcohol and drungs are far easier to get hold of too. The mixture is more often than not, not good. Add in the whole LA gang culture crap going on...and it's ugly. Uglier than when I was a badly behaved kid. I bent the odd letter box over, and when going through the whole 'punk scene' fought in public with skinheads and bogans as well as the first batch of 'street kids'. But it was a lot simpler back then I think.


hhhmmm, I was 17 in 1991, weapons, drugs, stabbings, shootings, there was a lot of blood spilled.

Alcohol, poor parenting, all weekend parties, artificial poverty, family bashing's,fights, gangs, suicide were all common in the neighbor hood. Hell, I had my throat slit when I was 15 at a party.

All that I can see that has changed is we have another generation even further entrenched in welfare, and the youth justice system makes it so there are no real world repercussions for any crime short of killing someone until you reach 18.

And a mentality that society is to blame for the actions of the individuals so must stay silent and be apologetic.


oh yeah, paint was easy to get.

[Crasherfromwayback]

hhhmmm, I was 17 in 1991, weapons, drugs, stabbings, shootings, there was a lot of blood spilled.

Alcohol, poor parenting, all weekend parties, artificial poverty, family bashing's,fights, gangs, suicide were all common in the neighbor hood. Hell, I had my throat slit when I was 15 at a party.

All that I can see that has changed is we have another generation even further entrenched in welfare, and the youth justice system makes it so there are no real world repercussions for any crime short of killing someone until you reach 18.

And a mentality that society is to blame for the actions of the individuals so must stay silent and be apologetic.


oh yeah, paint was easy to get.

Ahhh...so you're a yoof too compared to me! I was 17 in 1983, and even from then to your time I reckon things changed a fair bit. Don't get me wrong, I think taggers etc need a good slap round the head, just as I did as a kid. And often I got one, and a swift kick up the arse.

From the time we banned caning at school, and banned smacking at home, we've had really serious 'issues' with respect and the serious lack of it.

[scumdog]

[QUOTE=jazfender;1130195964
Obviously there's reduced crime/tagging with a country that still uses caning and the death penalty as punishment..[/QUOTE]

You kinda say that like it's wrong......?

[scumdog]

Ahhh...so you're a yoof too compared to me! I was 17 in 1983, and even from then to your time I reckon things changed a fair bit. Don't get me wrong, I think taggers etc need a good slap round the head, just as I did as a kid. And often I got one, and a swift kick up the arse.

From the time we banned caning at school, and banned smacking at home, we've had really serious 'issues' with respect and the serious lack of it.

17 in 1969.

And there were way less stabbings/shootings/murders - hell the murders we DID get occupied the news for months.

And bugger all drugs of much strength was about.

[JimO]

17 in 1969.

And there were way less stabbings/shootings/murders - hell the murders we DID get occupied the news for months.

And bugger all drugs of much strength was about.

i remember when a stabbing in Auckland made the front page of the local paper here in Dunedin, now you would have to stab a busload of nuns to make page 2

[Smifffy]

Whether or not you tagged as a teenager makes no difference to my argument.


Nothing will make any difference to your argument, because your argument is invalid, and you will never admit it.

When this is pointed out to you, you always duck behind the cover of "it's different for other cultures" or "it's different for special people with xyz syndrome" or "it's different for poor dispossessed lesbian strippers" or some other puerile, pathetic, whiny excuse.

Stop it. It is different for everyone and hence it is not different at all. Everyone struggles in their own unique way, and respect for each others personal space and personal property is fundamental to those differences being respected.

If somebody can't respect the property that belongs to individuals, and society collectively, then they have no place in that society.

People can and do go without food regularly, particularly during rates month, just to make the rates payments that contribute to the upkeep of children's play parks and rubbish bins. Fat old white men were often to be seen spending their free time in public spaces working on public seating, gardens, pergolae and play equipment. How does the scribble shit in any way respect their efforts, or improve the appearance of the items?

Rates aren't just for the landed rich either, if you think the cost of rates isn't recovered in rent from tenants, then you're barking.

You, and indeed the scribblers are all wonderful, special people, I'm sure. That doesn't entitle any of you to special treatment.

I haven't seen that many fat old white men out building things for the community in recent years though. I wonder why that might be, don't you?

[Smifffy]

At the expense of other liberties? Don't think so. And keep in mind that 85% of Singaporeans live in state housing.

Not state housing as in the NZ model though. While the housing is built by the govt, in the main it is owned by the occupier (they buy the place from the govt).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_housing_in_Singapore

[Winston001]

You, and indeed the scribblers are all wonderful, special people, I'm sure. That doesn't entitle any of you to special treatment.

I haven't seen that many fat old white men out building things for the community in recent years though. I wonder why that might be, don't you?

Actually thats a good point. A lot of the parks around here including the public hospital have play equipment bought and built by Lions and Rotary Clubs. Which are fading away. And so are the community resources. Kinda sad.

[Winston001]

Yeah dude I meant literally, you walked over to those kids and detonated.

Fucking idiot.

Um...Yeah.... look. Headbanger doesn't need defending. But this is the internet. Our personas get skewed and exaggerated, hot words ensue.

I do know HB. He's a decent guy, lovely wife, great kids, intelligent......and silly enough to ride a bike like the rest of us. :D

Just sayin

[FJRider]

From the time we banned caning at school, and banned smacking at home, we've had really serious 'issues' with respect and the serious lack of it.

Maybe ... any issues with respect (or lack of ... ) in schools ... just issue the teachers with a Glock ... and just shoot the little fuckers ... :niceone:

Ok ... a few kid's might die. BUT ... attitudes WILL change ... fast ... :laugh:

And if police use the same method on those that FAIL the roadside breath test ... people might WALK home from the pub ...


Worth a try I reckon ... :innocent:

[FROSTY]

IMO what has gone wrong in our society is we have empowered kids way too much.
Ohh yea man I have the right to this and the right to that. Which indeed they do. But they haven't learned the responsibility that goes with those rights.
We have created a society where the young expect and demand respect but are not prepared to give it.
I strongly feel this is because of the simple fact that concequences for actions have been removed.
The cane,the ruler etc can't be used by teachers at school. The police cant kick said graffiti artists up the jackseat and drag em by the ear back to dad n mum. Dad and Mum can't slap the little sods around the backside and send em to bed with no dinner.
ALL of this despite the greenie leftie view isn't child abuse. its teaching respect.

And despite the fact that the "great experiment " has utterly failed.-Proven by a ZERO reduction in child assault (serious stuff not a smack on the backside)
We still carry on down this track.
FFS why not wake up to the fact that to spare the rod really is to spoil the child.
We are a small country -why not be a world LEADER not a world loser

[FJRider]

IMO what has gone wrong in our society is we have empowered kids way too much.
Ohh yea man I have the right to this and the right to that. Which indeed they do. But they haven't learned the responsibility that goes with those rights.
We have created a society where the young expect and demand respect but are not prepared to give it.
I strongly feel this is because of the simple fact that concequences for actions have been removed.
The cane,the ruler etc can't be used by teachers at school. The police cant kick said graffiti artists up the jackseat and drag em by the ear back to dad n mum. Dad and Mum can't slap the little sods around the backside and send em to bed with no dinner.
ALL of this despite the greenie leftie view isn't child abuse. its teaching respect.

And despite the fact that the "great experiment " has utterly failed.-Proven by a ZERO reduction in child assault (serious stuff not a smack on the backside)
We still carry on down this track.
FFS why not wake up to the fact that to spare the rod really is to spoil the child.
We are a small country -why not be a world LEADER not a world loser

To quote any kid ...

What ya gunna do about it mista ... ???

[bogan]

Actually thats a good point. A lot of the parks around here including the public hospital have play equipment bought and built by Lions and Rotary Clubs. Which are fading away. And so are the community resources. Kinda sad.

A large part of that must be all the liability and OSH hoops that need jumping through now. Old guys with chainsaws can't just turn up and make cool tree-huts for kids anymore. Indeed sad.


IMO what has gone wrong in our society is we have empowered kids way too much.
Ohh yea man I have the right to this and the right to that. Which indeed they do. But they haven't learned the responsibility that goes with those rights.
We have created a society where the young expect and demand respect but are not prepared to give it.
I strongly feel this is because of the simple fact that concequences for actions have been removed.
The cane,the ruler etc can't be used by teachers at school. The police cant kick said graffiti artists up the jackseat and drag em by the ear back to dad n mum. Dad and Mum can't slap the little sods around the backside and send em to bed with no dinner.
ALL of this despite the greenie leftie view isn't child abuse. its teaching respect.

And despite the fact that the "great experiment " has utterly failed.-Proven by a ZERO reduction in child assault (serious stuff not a smack on the backside)
We still carry on down this track.
FFS why not wake up to the fact that to spare the rod really is to spoil the child.
We are a small country -why not be a world LEADER not a world loser

This pretty much happened in my high school as I was going through it. In third form if you got lippy to older kids you would get a thrashing, in 7th form, younger kids got lippy and we had hell to pay if they even got stuck in a measly rubbish bin. Needless to say there were a lot more lippy little shits when I left.

[FROSTY]

To quote any kid ...

What ya gunna do about it mista ... ???
Put simply I reckon it starts at home. My lads get their backsides slapped when its the APPROPRIATE punishment. They also get hugs etc when appropriate

[SMOKEU]

My old man used to be a high school teacher in South Africa, and he would beat the students with sticks if they misbehaved. He had "Mr black stick" and "Mr white stick". The students actually respected him as an authoritative figure, rather than just a silly teacher with no power like they do these days.

[FJRider]

Put simply I reckon it starts at home. My lads get their backsides slapped when its the APPROPRIATE punishment. They also get hugs etc when appropriate

In SOME homes ... they're lucky just to get fed ...

[Winston001]

IMO what has gone wrong in our society is we have empowered kids way too much.
Ohh yea man I have the right to this and the right to that. Which indeed they do. But they haven't learned the responsibility that goes with those rights.


I strongly feel this is because of the simple fact that concequences for actions have been removed.
The cane,the ruler etc can't be used by teachers at school. The police cant kick said graffiti artists up the jackseat and drag em by the ear back to dad n mum.

ALL of this despite the greenie leftie view isn't child abuse. its teaching respect.

FFS why not wake up to the fact that to spare the rod really is to spoil the child.


It would be easy to agree Frosty but my own teenage children and their friends disprove this view.

They are polite, rebellious, intelligent, immature - and fun. Their parents are decent people whom you'd be happy to meet. My wife and I did not smack or verbally shout at our children. They haven't been caned or strapped. We taught them manners and respect which has stuck. Truthfully, it wasn't difficult.

I sometimes think its easy to forget many many kids are well behaved, because they get overshadowed by the headline acts of a few.

[FJRider]

They are polite, rebellious, intelligent, immature - and fun. Their parents are decent people whom you'd be happy to meet.

When their parents are around ... many are.

[jazfender]

I'm not saying I want to live in Singapore or that I agree with everything in their justice system, but we can learn a few things from them about criminal justice. If people are unable or unwilling to be a "good" member of society, then they should pay the consequences. I support caning and public shaming for offenders who commit crime time and time again because obviously our justice system isn't working if people are "allowed" to accumulate dozens of convictions.

You support the infliction of grievous bodily harm and associated mental trauma that's likely to result in life-long scarring on people for failing to be a "good" member of society?

That shit's barbaric.


Can you explain to me how life was different for an 18 year old in 1991 compared to now?

I'd be quite interested to know. How has the world changed?, what problems and situations exist now that didn't then?

I think this has been answered pretty well already.


What it says is that harsher penalties work, we have to decide whether it is worth it, or whether there is a happier medium.

I think parents who do not raise their children to be able to cope with the society they live in (and take advantage of), either need to allow society to do some of the raising (no more wet bus ticket punishments), or go live somewhere they will not create a negative impact. Just saying oh its fine, kids will be kids, teenagers will be teenagers, delinquent adults will be delinquents..... doesn't really seem like its working does it?

They may work but at what cost? Would you rather live with Singapore's government and society than New Zealand's?


You kinda say that like it's wrong......?

...


Nothing will make any difference to your argument, because your argument is invalid, and you will never admit it.

When this is pointed out to you, you always duck behind the cover of "it's different for other cultures" or "it's different for special people with xyz syndrome" or "it's different for poor dispossessed lesbian strippers" or some other puerile, pathetic, whiny excuse.

Stop it. It is different for everyone and hence it is not different at all. Everyone struggles in their own unique way, and respect for each others personal space and personal property is fundamental to those differences being respected.

Your response is... stop it? That cracked me up.



If somebody can't respect the property that belongs to individuals, and society collectively, then they have no place in that society.

People can and do go without food regularly, particularly during rates month, just to make the rates payments that contribute to the upkeep of children's play parks and rubbish bins. Fat old white men were often to be seen spending their free time in public spaces working on public seating, gardens, pergolae and play equipment. How does the scribble shit in any way respect their efforts, or improve the appearance of the items?

Rates aren't just for the landed rich either, if you think the cost of rates isn't recovered in rent from tenants, then you're barking.

You, and indeed the scribblers are all wonderful, special people, I'm sure. That doesn't entitle any of you to special treatment.

I haven't seen that many fat old white men out building things for the community in recent years though. I wonder why that might be, don't you?

Hold on, the children using the play parks are also the ones tagging. In fact kids like drawing on shit from a very young age. Is the appearance you're fighting for to please mummy or the kids?

Rubbish bins are rubbish bins, who the fuck cares?


Um...Yeah.... look. Headbanger doesn't need defending. But this is the internet. Our personas get skewed and exaggerated, hot words ensue.

I do know HB. He's a decent guy, lovely wife, great kids, intelligent......and silly enough to ride a bike like the rest of us. :D

Just sayin

I'm sure he is an absolute peach. To white people.

[unstuck]

My old man used to be a high school teacher in South Africa, and he would beat the students with sticks if they misbehaved. He had "Mr black stick" and "Mr white stick". The students actually respected him as an authoritative figure, rather than just a silly teacher with no power like they do these days.

Respect OR fear.:bleh:

[idb]

i remember when a stabbing in Auckland made the front page of the local paper here in Dunedin, now you would have to stab a busload of nuns to make page 2

Prove it!!!

[Smifffy]

They may work but at what cost? Would you rather live with Singapore's government and society than New Zealand's?



He already said he wanted a happy medium. Does your disability prevent you from understanding the concept of a range, or spectrum? Singapore is considered by some as overly harsh and NZ is considered by many to be too lax. Unfortunately your bias only allows you to see the advocation of pillories & stoning.




Your response is... stop it? That cracked me up.


Yeah stop trolling, and stop making excuses for people who simply don't care enough to make any effort at living harmoniously with their communities.




Hold on, the children using the play parks are also the ones tagging. In fact kids like drawing on shit from a very young age. Is the appearance you're fighting for to please mummy or the kids?


The scribblers are generally older than the children the playparks are designed for, and yes the very young children that draw on shit do so when they don't know, and haven't been told any better. The scribblers are indeed childish, but that doesn't make them children. The playparks were designed as family spaces, and that does include mummy and the kids - another concept anti-social little fucks don't seem to be able to grasp.



Rubbish bins are rubbish bins, who the fuck cares?


So, regarding anything other than one's own selfish desire to 'express oneself' through interfering with and damaging the results of somebody else's hard work, what do you care about? Please explain how random groups of LA thug wannabes contribute to the world that you desire and a society that you would care about.

The poor wee poppets are just sooo unfortunate that they have to grow up in provincial NZ instead of the rough hoods of East LA. I'm sure they would have hard a much easier go of it there. Maybe even be lucky enough to shoot some other dumb kid that had the audacity to tag 'their' wall...

I'm sure they'd be able to reprezent - chur.

[SMOKEU]

You support the infliction of grievous bodily harm and associated mental trauma that's likely to result in life-long scarring on people for failing to be a "good" member of society?

That shit's barbaric.



If people behave themselves properly then they have nothing to fear. I distill my own spirit and get drunk every weekend but I don't go around vandalizing property, I don't assault anyone, I don't steal and I don't run around the streets making a nuisance of myself disturbing the peace. I respect the fact that many people like to go to bed early, so I don't make excessive noise late at night or in the early hours of the morning. I've never been arrested and I've never been convicted of any criminal offence. I still have a lot of fun on the weekends, but I don't make anyone else suffer. Sure, I'm guilty of riding my motorbike a bit faster than I should from time to time, but that's only on quiet countryside roads where I'm not putting anyone else at risk.



Respect OR fear.:bleh:

A bit of both I suspect.

[jazfender]

He already said he wanted a happy medium. Does your disability prevent you from understanding the concept of a range, or spectrum? Singapore is considered by some as overly harsh and NZ is considered by many to be too lax. Unfortunately your bias only allows you to see the advocation of pillories & stoning.

Happy medium? This is a dude with a fucking swastika as his profile image. This is the same dude that a couple posts up said he was happy he lived in a white neighbourhood. You argue for his "happy medium", endorse the extreme right and then say I am picking and choosing?

Not to mention the twenty odd red reps he's received talking about DAMAGING PROPERTY. That has gotta be the worst person you could have picked to support your argument.




Yeah stop trolling, and stop making excuses for people who simply don't care enough to make any effort at living harmoniously with their communities.

See above regarding living harmoniously within their communities. That is some funny shit.



The scribblers are generally older than the children the playparks are designed for, and yes the very young children that draw on shit do so when they don't know, and haven't been told any better. The scribblers are indeed childish, but that doesn't make them children. The playparks were designed as family spaces, and that does include mummy and the kids - another concept anti-social little fucks don't seem to be able to grasp.

I think you'll find the environment for some of these kids stunts them to a point where they may as well be considered children. Not sure why they would respect a "family space" when they have such a broken view of what that means.



So, regarding anything other than one's own selfish desire to 'express oneself' through interfering with and damaging the results of somebody else's hard work, what do you care about? Please explain how random groups of LA thug wannabes contribute to the world that you desire and a society that you would care about.

The poor wee poppets are just sooo unfortunate that they have to grow up in provincial NZ instead of the rough hoods of East LA. I'm sure they would have hard a much easier go of it there. Maybe even be lucky enough to shoot some other dumb kid that had the audacity to tag 'their' wall...

I'm sure they'd be able to reprezent - chur.

For a kid within a broken family, home and neighbourhood, the only difference between LA and Otara is guns.

[TIBLE_90]

Wow. After reading this whole thread I have come to two conclusions. One, Headbanger is a racist, old, uneducated individual who simply thinks his seniority makes him smart, and two that Jaz knows a thing or two about what he is talking about. Headbanger has misunderstood Jaz's points over and over again, and has replied with vile, ignorant, and silly points of his own. I find it curious that so many people on here have agreed with Headbanger and so few with Jaz. I suppose this is due to the demographic that uses KB. Oh well, posting shit up on forums like this is useless anyways...Nobody is going to change anyone's mind on the subject in the end.

Ride hard and have fun :headbang:

[Smifffy]

Happy medium? This is a dude with a fucking swastika as his profile image. This is the same dude that a couple posts up said he was happy he lived in a white neighbourhood. You argue for his "happy medium", endorse the extreme right and then say I am picking and choosing?

Not to mention the twenty odd red reps he's received talking about DAMAGING PROPERTY. That has gotta be the worst person you could have picked to support your argument.


It was Bogan that you quoted and replied to that suggested the happy medium. Not seen a swastika on his page. Please try to keep up, but I guess that's what happens when you jumble up a whole bunch of different posts into one. I found it a little confusing, but thought you must be able keep up with it all. I guess not.



See above regarding living harmoniously within their communities. That is some funny shit.


Keep laughing, and keep avoiding the question then. You are wrong.



I think you'll find the environment for some of these kids stunts them to a point where they may as well be considered children. Not sure why they would respect a "family space" when they have such a broken view of what that means.


Keep making excuses for them. Poor little Wiremu - never picked for the under 14's. They don't have to respect anything, just don't scribble on shit. What do they think would happen if they scribbled their shit on something their mother valued?



For a kid within a broken family, home and neighbourhood, the only difference between LA and Otara is guns.

Last I checked, Otara wasn't in the 'Naki. I understand why their family & home might be broken, but why is their neighbourhood broken? Probably because of dirty little shits roaming around in groups vandalising and littering the place up.

They do have the potential to make Otara different to LA, but they just keep striving to make it the same. Find a clean area and turn it into a filthy cess pit. Great job! Good on ya mate.

[bogan]

Happy medium? This is a dude with a fucking swastika as his profile image.

Ahem, this is the dude who wanted the happy medium, and my avatar is a cylonbros back end. Some might say the cylons have a tendency to go for overkill with their population control methods, but that is all history now, and I'm sure they have learnt some compassion since then.


speaking of mediums, what do you call a psychic midget on the run from the cops?

A small medium at large :bleh:

[Bikemad]

Put simply I reckon it starts at home.

you got that right mate
when i was about 13-14 or so me and the other loud local louts used to hang around Risingholme park in chch and had a bit of grief with an old geezer off and on who lived on the other side of the fence and took exception to us hangin round makin noise etc..........we did some "cultural artwork" one day on the park side of the fence with huge sticks of chalk..........had more grief with the fella................few days later the police cruised through the park and caught us in the act.......made us remove our t shirts .....soak them in water from the drinking fountain and start cleaning the fence.........suddenly the old geezer appears over the fence with sluggun in hand ......lets of a shot and hits cop in the leg........i ended up as a witness for the police.......old geezer lost his guns and was fined .............he thought the sound of us scrubbing the fence was us cutting the posts or something like that................when my old man heard the facts and what happened to the old geezer he marched me round there......made me look the geezer in the eye and apologise...........also got to mow the old geezers lawns for a couple of months................at the time i thought my old man was a right cunt..........40 odd years later i see it a bit differently

[Bikemad]

If people behave themselves properly then they have nothing to fear. I distill my own spirit and get drunk every weekend but I don't go around vandalizing property, I don't assault anyone, I don't steal and I don't run around the streets making a nuisance of myself disturbing the peace. I respect the fact that many people like to go to bed early, so I don't make excessive noise late at night or in the early hours of the morning. I've never been arrested and I've never been convicted of any criminal offence. I still have a lot of fun on the weekends, but I don't make anyone else suffer. Sure, I'm guilty of riding my motorbike a bit faster than I should from time to time, but that's only on quiet countryside roads where I'm not putting anyone else at risk.


now cut that out.............or im gonna have to rethink my opinion of you dude

[ellipsis]

...human history is repetitive, goes round and round and round...epochs rise and fall, civilisations stutter and implode...nothing changes and nothing will...the base human instinct will always be the constant...only one quarter of a millennium ago a lot who post on here would be of an older age, scummy and me would be fucking ancient old men and the young bucks who wanna wheelstand their nuts dry and be anarchic/make their mark/be staunch etc, would be at war or work and making babies with girls old enough to bleed...countries were ruled or terrorised by young blokes not long out of their teens...I reckon the problem these days is that there's too many old cunts and that we just wont, go away...

[FROSTY]

In SOME homes ... they're lucky just to get fed ...
And to that I ask thw question --WHY??

[Swoop]

the only difference between LA and Otara is guns.
I would have thought the death rate would be the difference. Guns (or other means) are just the tools being used.
Otara wouldn't even rate a mention in comparison with LA, but sadly it influences sections of the Otaran population who seem intent in emulating it.

[scissorhands]

Rob Muldoon thats not culture

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8frPD7DgqI

[MIXONE]

I say lets all just blame "society".That way there is no personal responsbility to worry about.

[Headbanger]

I think this has been answered pretty well already.


I meant from your perspective, Tell me, whats different now in society compared to when I was that age. You must know after all you dismiss every single thing everyone has contributed to the thread.

Why should anyone have the right to destroy public property?, even if you ignore the fact that the vast majority disapprove of vandalism ( queer fucks like yourself excepted of course) its still a worthless, destructive and costly act.

[SMOKEU]

To those of you from the "PC brigade", how would YOU feel if someone damaged YOUR property? How would YOU feel if someone put a big dent in the petrol tank of YOUR bike, or if someone slashed the tyres of YOUR bike?

If it happens to you I'm sure you'll have a much different attitude, regardless of the personal circumstances of the offender. Even if the offender is caught, you're likely to be paid $5 a week for the damage which is probably going to come out of the offenders benefit.

[Headbanger]

Surely a reasonable and semi-intelligent person wouldn't actually need to suffer destruction of personal property to understand its a shithead course of action and an undesirable result that shouldn't be condoned or permitted on any level.

Of course that doesn't apply to fucktards.

[imdying]

For a kid within a broken family, home and neighbourhood, the only difference between LA and Otara is guns.I agree, both filled with coons ripe for extermination.

If your hands gets dirty you wash them with soap. You don't try to coax the dirt of with kinds words, and you don't let dirty hands become the new norm. Dirt must be washed away.

[BoristheBiter]

Wow. After reading this whole thread I have come to two conclusions. One, Headbanger is a racist, old, uneducated individual who simply thinks his seniority makes him smart, and two that Jaz knows a thing or two about what he is talking about. Headbanger has misunderstood Jaz's points over and over again, and has replied with vile, ignorant, and silly points of his own. I find it curious that so many people on here have agreed with Headbanger and so few with Jaz. I suppose this is due to the demographic that uses KB. Oh well, posting shit up on forums like this is useless anyways...Nobody is going to change anyone's mind on the subject in the end.

Ride hard and have fun :headbang:

But have missed the main point by everyone, expect Jaz, that tagging, is not an alright pass time and anyone, regardless of skin colour, that thinks it is, is a dick.

[Winston001]

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I think you'll find the environment for some of these kids stunts them to a point where they may as well be considered children. Not sure why they would respect a "family space" when they have such a broken view of what that means.



Agreed. I think we are talking past one another. Most people understand that there are awful dysfunctional families and the children do not have the values necessary in a decent society.

Fine. Where this discussion goes wrong Jaz is you are perceived to be defending vandalism and anti-social behaviour. Understanding the causes and having compassion is good - but we also need to draw a line. It is perfectly acceptable to say a behaviour is wrong while also understanding damaged individuals.






Wow. After reading this whole thread I have come to two conclusions. Headbanger has misunderstood Jaz's points over and over again, and has replied with vile, ignorant, and silly points of his own.

I find it curious that so many people on here have agreed with Headbanger and so few with Jaz. I suppose this is due to the demographic that uses KB. Oh well, posting shit up on forums like this is useless anyways...Nobody is going to change anyone's mind on the subject in the end.



I think both HB and Jaz have valid points. As often happens on the net we get distracted by hot words and misunderstand each other.

[jazfender]

It was Bogan that you quoted and replied to that suggested the happy medium. Not seen a swastika on his page. Please try to keep up, but I guess that's what happens when you jumble up a whole bunch of different posts into one. I found it a little confusing, but thought you must be able keep up with it all. I guess not.

Damn, I thought that was a little too easy, I should have checked.

To be fair I didn't really think I'd be arguing about caning with MULTIPLE people.



Keep laughing, and keep avoiding the question then. You are wrong.
Well they're not living harmoniously within their communities because their communities are generally not harmonious. That is the major issue here, not petty vandalism. You're just sitting so far up on your high horse you only care about things that directly affect you



Keep making excuses for them. Poor little Wiremu - never picked for the under 14's. They don't have to respect anything, just don't scribble on shit. What do they think would happen if they scribbled their shit on something their mother valued?

I dunno dude, maybe they'd be beaten to death?



Last I checked, Otara wasn't in the 'Naki. I understand why their family & home might be broken, but why is their neighbourhood broken? Probably because of dirty little shits roaming around in groups vandalising and littering the place up.

They do have the potential to make Otara different to LA, but they just keep striving to make it the same. Find a clean area and turn it into a filthy cess pit. Great job! Good on ya mate.

I think you'll find a significant contributing factor to their broken neighbourhoods are the broken families.

And replace Otara with Cook Street if you gonna be picky.


Ahem, this is the dude who wanted the happy medium, and my avatar is a cylonbros back end. Some might say the cylons have a tendency to go for overkill with their population control methods, but that is all history now, and I'm sure they have learnt some compassion since then.


speaking of mediums, what do you call a psychic midget on the run from the cops?

A small medium at large :bleh:

Sorry, I messed that up.


I would have thought the death rate would be the difference. Guns (or other means) are just the tools being used.
Otara wouldn't even rate a mention in comparison with LA, but sadly it influences sections of the Otaran population who seem intent in emulating it.

You are talking about the overall state of their society including death rate etc, I am talking about from the perspective of the kids within the homes. Neglect, poverty and a broken home looks pretty similar the world over. There may be more guns and more drugs and more whatever but saying they should just harden the fuck up because it's 'worse over there' is flawed and doesn't really apply in my view.


I meant from your perspective, Tell me, whats different now in society compared to when I was that age. You must know after all you dismiss every single thing everyone has contributed to the thread.

Why should anyone have the right to destroy public property?, even if you ignore the fact that the vast majority disapprove of vandalism ( queer fucks like yourself excepted of course) its still a worthless, destructive and costly act.

Few main things off the top of my head - wider disparity between social underclass and the majority, increased population/strain on resources and if the media is to be believed, increased and worsening rate of child abuse.

I am not arguing for people to have the right to destroy public property, I'm arguing against gungho dicks like you trying to take the law into your own hands and claiming you are solving society's issues by confronting the end RESULT of a fucked social issue.


I agree, both filled with coons ripe for extermination.

If your hands gets dirty you wash them with soap. You don't try to coax the dirt of with kinds words, and you don't let dirty hands become the new norm. Dirt must be washed away.

The thing I don't get about you racist fucks is that you go on about society's virtues and doing the right thing and being respectful to others and all this shit but share the views of a fascist dictator which the majority of society considers the most evil person in modern history. What is that?

[imdying]

The thing I don't get about you racist fucks is that you go on about society's virtues and doing the right thing and being respectful to others and all this shit but share the views of a fascist dictator which the majority of society considers the most evil person in modern history. What is that?Not racist at all; it's you that segregated it out to being Otara, which as you very well know, is full of coons.

Perhaps if you'd been a little less racist and considered the whole country people could address the problems in society in a manner other than the one you have twisted towards.

[Ronin]

Wow. After reading this whole thread I have come to two conclusions. One, Headbanger is a racist, old, uneducated individual who simply thinks his seniority makes him smart, and two that Jaz knows a thing or two about what he is talking about. Headbanger has misunderstood Jaz's points over and over again, and has replied with vile, ignorant, and silly points of his own. I find it curious that so many people on here have agreed with Headbanger and so few with Jaz. I suppose this is due to the demographic that uses KB. Oh well, posting shit up on forums like this is useless anyways...Nobody is going to change anyone's mind on the subject in the end.

Ride hard and have fun :headbang:

Well, I know for a fact you are wrong about HB. He is neither old, racist or uneducated.

He is a bloody good troll though.

[Headbanger]

Well, I know for a fact you are wrong about HB. He is neither old, racist or uneducated.

He is a bloody good troll though.


Muhahahahaha

This thread has exceeded all expectations.

[jazfender]

Not racist at all; it's you that segregated it out to being Otara, which as you very well know, is full of coons.

Perhaps if you'd been a little less racist and considered the whole country people could address the problems in society in a manner other than the one you have twisted towards.

You win the thread bro.

[jazfender]

Muhahahahaha

This thread has exceeded all expectations.

http://memegenerator.net/cache/instances/400x/6/6747/6909516.jpg

[imdying]

Muhahahahaha

This thread has exceeded all expectations.Amateur, I had that little faggot fucked in 7 posts. His talking absolute drivel helped of course, but still...

[Headbanger]

Few main things off the top of my head - wider disparity between social underclass and the majority, increased population/strain on resources and if the media is to be believed, increased and worsening rate of child abuse.

I am not arguing for people to have the right to destroy public property, I'm arguing against gungho dicks like you trying to take the law into your own hands and claiming you are solving society's issues by confronting the end RESULT of a fucked social issue.


so according to you people have to justify the intolerable action of pointing out to vandals that its not a desirable thing to be doing? and they are in the wrong for doing so?

Given that I didn't raise my voice, insult or threaten anybody nor does it even suggest at any stage that I done so ...ah fuck it, Your delusional. If the little fuckers had got a crack up side the head that would be a positive.

[Headbanger]

Amateur, I had that little faggot fucked in 7 posts. His talking absolute drivel helped of course, but still...

I've got a few days off work.....

[jazfender]

Meh, if you've been trolling this whole time as you claim, you've invalidated everything you said so there's no real point in continuing this conversation.

[Headbanger]

Meh, if you've been trolling this whole time as you claim, you've invalidated everything you said so there's no real point in continuing this conversation.

When did I make that claim?

I said this thread has exceeded all expectations, and it has.

[nodrog]

fuck me, the nigger lovers are sensistive today

[avgas]

http://memegenerator.net/cache/instances/400x/6/6747/6909516.jpg
http://memegenerator.net/cache/instances/400x/10/11227/11496581.jpg Why not?

[SMOKEU]

http://nordicfront.webs.com/photos/Store-Products/13.jpg

[unstuck]

:motu::bleh:

[SMOKEU]

trolololol

http://b94cast.com/megaira/hitler.gif

[scumdog]

trolololol
]

I've seen that guy.

He waters the vegeis at the local New World...

[unstuck]

:first::headbang:

[ducatilover]

Yay a Nazi thread, at least that guy with the stupid facial hair is waving.

His BMW would use a lot of gas though....

[blackdog]

The thing I don't get about you racist fucks is that you go on about society's virtues and doing the right thing and being respectful to others and all this shit but share the views of a fascist dictator which the majority of society considers the most evil person in modern history. What is that?

Godwin's Law.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law

Way to kill a thread dick.

[Latte]

Where's Kiwifruit and the Silly Hats...

[SMOKEU]

I love it when long threads/conversations suddenly turn into a discussion about the National Socialist German Workers Party.

[Smifffy]

I love it when long threads/conversations suddenly turn into a discussion about the National Socialist German Workers Party.

Speaking of Workers Parties, how's the job hunt going?

[Smifffy]

I've seen that guy.

He waters the vegeis at the local New World...

He's indicating how high the tomato plants are expected to grow this year.

[SMOKEU]

Speaking of Workers Parties, how's the job hunt going?

I've recently started looking for a holiday job as I gave up on job hunting and started a course in July this year. I'm going onto a degree next year so I need some more cash to buy myself a bike sports bike.

[avgas]

I've seen that guy.

He waters the vegeis at the local New World...
Was a sad day when he lost his job as the 4 Square Logo

[Smifffy]

So is this ok too?

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10769443

Just checking....

I'm sure the arsonist wasn't once a tagger who now needs something even bigger for attention.....


A heartless arsonist has left Wellington toddlers without a fort and a slide after a suburban playground was damaged by fire.

Wellington City Council said the fire, lit at the playground in Karori early on Sunday, had caused an estimated $40,000 worth of damage.

The playground's toddler section including a fort, a slide and 30sq m of rubber matting was destroyed in the fire.

[Indiana_Jones]

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10769394

Mother of the attacked kid should of gut kicked the little shit who did it while they were on the ground.

I'd let them off.

-Indy

[SMOKEU]

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10769394

Mother of the attacked kid should of gut kicked the little shit who did it while they were on the ground.

I'd let them off.

-Indy

Thanks to the PC National government, the real criminals get treated better than their victims.

[Indiana_Jones]

Thanks to the PC National government, the real criminals get treated better than their victims.

I think comrade clark started that one lol

Of course national hasn't really sorted it out.

Crims deserve nothing but pain.

-Indy

[unstuck]

http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/world/12367514/give-me-my-presents-or-i-ll-cook-your-reindeer-teen-warns/ :rolleyes:

[ducatilover]

Spoilt little shit. Better not kill Santa! I've been waiting for him to find me for years :rolleyes:

[oneofsix]

http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/world/12367514/give-me-my-presents-or-i-ll-cook-your-reindeer-teen-warns/ :rolleyes:

In the making?? she is done and ready.

'I know it sounds like she is spoilt but I like to get my daughter what she wants also you don't want to get on the wrong side of her.'

and WTF still believes in Santa. How long before some nice man offers her a sweetie to suck on?

[SMOKEU]

I want to see pics of said little 13 year old.

[ducatilover]

I want to see pics of said little 13 year old.
http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2010/074/5/3/BEWARE_THE_PEDO_BEAR_by_iamjill101.jpg

[Scuba_Steve]

You could tell she was messed up from the start... A Blackberry??? Who da fuck wants a Blackberry??? retard kid.
Looking at the picture too she might have already had a go at the mum. Behind the retard kids foot, you'll see the mums cane they failed to hide properly.
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/12/14/article-2073907-0F28B36700000578-135_634x852.jpg

[Indiana_Jones]

She's gonna make some poor indian cunt a very sad chap later in life lol

-Indy