Scum at the track: they are amongst us!

[Biggles08]

So...I'm driving home tonight from Taupo, towing my new tandem trailer, when I start to hear a vibrating sound from the trailer...the vibrations start to get worse so I pull off the motorway just in time to see one wheel wobbling like it was about to come off. I pull over and check it to find it has only x1 bolt left on it (just) and x2 studs completely broken off from the wheel spinning on the studs with no bolts! I immediately check the other x3 wheels to find every one of them had x2 bolts missing from them!? All of them were taken off exactly the same and the ones that were left were starting to come loose too!

This is the second time this has happened to me in the last few race meetings. The last time I actually lost the left wheel when driving back from the final round of the Nationals. I was coming back up the bombay's when the left wheel started to vibrate and make a horrid noise so I began to pull over off the motorway when it came completely off.

I would have liked to think that this was just a freak accident and a coincidence but at the time I had my suspicions. Now after tonight I know someone out there is a chicken shit with no morals or balls enough to confront me with whatever there issue is! If you read this post, know that when I find out who you are...and I will find out, I will fuck your shit up...promise!

For all you out there who read this and are as concerned about this as I am, I would ask you to be vigilant in the pits and if any of you have any information you would like to share with me about this incident, please come forward and tell me knowing you will remain completely anonymous.

I am going to the police tomorrow to report this to them so when we find this prick there is some paper trail to go back on. See you in court fucker!:finger:

[nzspokes]

Sure your not over tightening the nuts? Ive seen that before on trailers. Stretch the studs through over tightening and they loosen up and snap.

Just a thought. That was on a brand new trailer to.

[Biggles08]

Sure your not over tightening the nuts? Ive seen that before on trailers. Stretch the studs through over tightening and they loosen up and nap.

Just a thought. That was on a brand new trailer to.

Nope...this trailer was not brand new and the nuts were removed off ALL four wheels exactly the same. Also on the other trailer Both sides were loose. Its no a coincidence...its wankers. I've had my suspension fucked with at the track too...all preload and compression wound all the way out!??! That shit don't happen by itself. Someone has an issue with me and can't come to my face and tell me about it.

These people are not too smart obviously so spread the word...they would have told someone something...we need to find them and stop them.

[gixerracer]

So...I'm driving home tonight from Taupo, towing my new tandem trailer, when I start to hear a vibrating sound from the trailer...the vibrations start to get worse so I pull off the motorway just in time to see one wheel wobbling like it was about to come off. I pull over and check it to find it has only x1 bolt left on it (just) and x2 studs completely broken off from the wheel spinning on the studs with no bolts! I immediately check the other x3 wheels to find every one of them had x2 bolts missing from them!? All of them were taken off exactly the same and the ones that were left were starting to come loose too!

This is the second time this has happened to me in the last few race meetings. The last time I actually lost the left wheel when driving back from the final round of the Nationals. I was coming back up the bombay's when the left wheel started to vibrate and make a horrid noise so I began to pull over off the motorway when it came completely off.

I would have liked to think that this was just a freak accident and a coincidence but at the time I had my suspicions. Now after tonight I know someone out there is a chicken shit with no morals or balls enough to confront me with whatever there issue is! If you read this post, know that when I find out who you are...and I will find out, I will fuck your shit up...promise!

For all you out there who read this and are as concerned about this as I am, I would ask you to be vigilant in the pits and if any of you have any information you would like to share with me about this incident, please come forward and tell me knowing you will remain completely anonymous.

I am going to the police tomorrow to report this to them so when we find this prick there is some paper trail to go back on. See you in court fucker!:finger:

I hate you and think you are a poof.
Im just saying thats all:bleh:

[Kiwi Graham]

Bloody hek mate, not nice at all.
Had it been me I'd have just nicked your wheels true westie style ;)

Someones got some front to undue 16-20 bolts and not get cought!! Lock tight the bastards on next time mate.

[Bikemad]

next time ya at the track set up a hidden camera keepin an eye on ya stuff when on the track..........

[Edbear]

The Police will take a very dim view of this as it is tantamount to murder. They deliberately sabotaged your trailer, knowing the potential consequences. If your trailer had caused an accident where someone was seriously hurt or killed, you would be held responsible as it is your duty to ensure your trailer is safe. So everyone, always check your trailers before you take off!

Same with stuffing up your suspension settings, as unnoticed it could have serious consequences at racing speeds!

These people, if you can call them people, need to be caught and made an example of!

[Stirts]

next time ya at the track set up a hidden camera keepin an eye on ya stuff when on the track..........

+ on that!!!

And I look forward to the footage of you ripping the saddistic fuck a new one :eek:

[nodrog]

Are you sure you have the correct wheels on your trailer? I had a trailer years ago the the wheels kept loosening and snapping the studs, turns out even thought the stud spacing on the wheels was correct, the centre hole was too big and wasnt sitting on the hub properly so all the weight was on the studs, and they dont like that.

[Biggles08]

I hate you and think you are a poof.
Im just saying thats all:bleh:

I know dude....I've had hidden cameras on you for a while now! :love:

[nzspokes]

Nope...this trailer was not brand new and the nuts were removed off ALL four wheels exactly the same. Also on the other trailer Both sides were loose. Its no a coincidence...its wankers. I've had my suspension fucked with at the track too...all preload and compression wound all the way out!??! That shit don't happen by itself. Someone has an issue with me and can't come to my face and tell me about it.

These people are not too smart obviously so spread the word...they would have told someone something...we need to find them and stop them.

Ok, just a suggestion. M/cycle racing must be tough then. When i was racing cars out at Pukekohe i dropped a valve, my main rival offered the head off his tow car for the day. Guess its not like that for you guys.

[Shaun]

Do all you can to find this Fucker mate, ( We may not be best oif friends but) I will personally help ya kick the shit out of the piece of shit, and if this is used as a threat to some one, so be it as I mean it

[Biggles08]

Ok, just a suggestion. M/cycle racing must be tough then. When i was racing cars out at Pukekohe i dropped a valve, my main rival offered the head off his tow car for the day. Guess its not like that for you guys.
I don't believe its a racer or my competition...just someone who is regularly at race meetings...like a racers support crew or club members who have it in for me for some reason...who knows!?

[Biggles08]

We may not be best of friends but...

Mate....you know I :love: you!

[Shaun]

I don't believe its a racer or my competition...just someone who is regularly at race meetings...like a racers support crew or club members who have it in for me for some reason...who knows!?



Probally the same piece of shit who stole tyres of the Honda rider at Hampton last year, so YEP, he is amongst the teams some where

[CHOPPA]

I had a similar thing at Taupo last round.....

My Tie Down on my trailer had been cut. I was nearly home and lucky only doing about 20kmph but the tie down broke and the (bucket) fell over on the trailer. Lucky I had zip ties holding it on the trailer.

The tie downs were brand new! I thought they had just broken but the cut was in the middle of the tie down. It was a clean cut through about 2/3 and it had broken the rest

[Biggles08]

I had a similar thing at Taupo last round.....

My Tie Down on my trailer had been cut. I was nearly home and lucky only doing about 20kmph but the tie down broke and the (bucket) fell over on the trailer. Lucky I had zip ties holding it on the trailer.

The tie downs were brand new! I thought they had just broken but the cut was in the middle of the tie down. It was a clean cut through about 2/3 and it had broken the rest

Really??? Shit you must be a wanker too eh?!

[discodan]

Unfortunately, I can believe what you are saying and if there is some nutter out there playing with people's gear then we need to find them before someone gets killed or seriously hurt. All it will take is for someone to bust them in the act and they are rooted so we all need to keep an eye out.

Maybe this should be mentioned at riders briefings to keep everyone alert?

[sugilite]

Maybe this should be mentioned at riders briefings to keep everyone alert?

Thats is a very good idea. Sounds like someone is very jealous of the "haves". This prick needs to be found, and found pronto :nono:

[bsasuper]

The only way you will ever know is as someone else posted, a hidden recording camera setup.I had problems with taggers doing the front fence every week, strange that it only happened to my fence in the whole street.Set up a camera and turns out it was the bloke across the road!.I confronted him and at first he denied it, but when told of the camera footage he owned up, and the reason was he didnt like me because his wife liked to talk to me! 1X nut identified and no more tagging.


I would make sure 100% its nothing mechanical first though, was the trailer to "cheap" to pass up?

[Maha]

Are you sure you have the correct wheels on your trailer? I had a trailer years ago the the wheels kept loosening and snapping the studs, turns out even thought the stud spacing on the wheels was correct, the centre hole was too big and wasnt sitting on the hub properly so all the weight was on the studs, and they dont like that.

You are not listening...its sabotage not a mechanical fault....:rolleyes:

[willytheekid]

The only way you will ever know is as someone else posted, a hidden recording camera setup.I had problems with taggers doing the front fence every week, strange that it only happened to my fence in the whole street.Set up a camera and turns out it was the bloke across the road!.I confronted him and at first he denied it, but when told of the camera footage he owned up, and the reason was he didnt like me because his wife liked to talk to me! 1X nut identified and no more tagging.

+1

Camera's don't lie!....(nice one catching the tagger by the way :laugh:)

I certainly hope the OP has seen the police in regards to this crime.....the thought of a wheel flying off into incoming traffic is just sickening!

[p.dath]

The Police will take a very dim view of this as it is tantamount to murder. They deliberately sabotaged your trailer, knowing the potential consequences. If your trailer had caused an accident where someone was seriously hurt or killed, you would be held responsible as it is your duty to ensure your trailer is safe. So everyone, always check your trailers before you take off!

Same with stuffing up your suspension settings, as unnoticed it could have serious consequences at racing speeds!

These people, if you can call them people, need to be caught and made an example of!

+1. Lay a complaint with the Police.

Then I'd be investing in some kind of camera, and next time you are at an event put the camera somewhere discrete that it can't be messed with and get some evidence.

I'd also notify the event organisers. Sounds like more more security may be needed.


This is way too serious to do nothing about.

[Tony.OK]

Now I think about it..................there's this dude that wears Ohlins clothing, have seen him tampering with suspension and then during a race # 56 fell off.................sabotage I think............his name is Dr something, Bob or Rob........seedy lookin character he is :msn-wink:


Not good eh Marcus? Ya got a dangerous bunny boiler following you around it seems mate. Really hope its all coincidence and not some dick messing with peoples lives.................golf seems so much safer now I'm bikeless :rolleyes:

[yungatart]

It sucks that this kind of stuff happens.
Not everyone at a race meeting is nice tho...had trouble with a 'supporter' who liked to tell me chapter and verse what I was doing wrong, every meeting!
I'd keep an eye out for you, Biggles, but I'm on the wrong side of the pits for that. And everyone knows that the flaggies are blind anyway

[unstuck]

Mate, you havn't been getting in the wrong bed have you? Hope you catch the lowlife though, that kind thing is just insane.:nono:

[p.dath]

Ever thought of using lock wire on the trailer?

[RobGassit]

Really interesting to hear about this. We had wheel nuts come loose on our trailer coming back south after the last Vic Round at Taupo. Luckily I found them loose at Waioru while getting gas. I run double lock nuts but only the 2 standard nuts had worked loose on the drivers side wheel.. My trailers an oldie but a goodie and after reading this thread there's a bloody good chance this meathead has played with our gear too. If I wasn't paranoid about wheel bearings from when I used to race boats I would never have found it. Dodged a bullet there for sure as I tow pretty quick when the roads good. This might just be a nutter rather than someone holding a grudge against anyone in particular. As for cutting tiedowns, that quite frankly scares the shit out of me!

[MSTRS]

Seems to be a common occurence.
The Firns have also had a lot of trailer troubles, which may or may not be related.

[nzspokes]

I would suggest as been said before to bring it up at riders briefing. And for riders to tell there crew etc. This needs everybody watching out for it.

Kinda hard to believe, I had some set tos in motorsport when I raced cars but never this. There would be the odd yell at but nobody would endanger others on purpose. Once a beer was in hand all was forgiven.

[Billy]

It sucks that this kind of stuff happens.
Not everyone at a race meeting is nice tho...had trouble with a 'supporter' who liked to tell me chapter and verse what I was doing wrong, every meeting!
I'd keep an eye out for you, Biggles, but I'm on the wrong side of the pits for that. And everyone knows that the flaggies are blind anyway

If that happens again Janet,Make sure you report it to the COC or MNZ steward,We simply won't have officials being abused and corner workers are just as if not more important than anybody else there,Competitors are responsible for their hangers on and can be charged with breaching the code of conduct,Maybe that needs to happen so the abuse stops!!!

[nadroj]

'Could possibly be a local who doesn't like the sound bikes make!

[Ivan]

my 450 got stolen last saturday on survelince video still the guy aint been arrested and we all know who it is the only good thing with survelince is you can sort it yaself

[CHOPPA]

my 450 got stolen last saturday on survelince video still the guy aint been arrested and we all know who it is the only good thing with survelince is you can sort it yaself

Thats all most worth having it stolen to find the guy who stole it! Hopefully its no wrecked mate

[Ivan]

Thats all most worth having it stolen to find the guy who stole it! Hopefully its no wrecked mate

shes long gone he sold it for 600 but yeah gonna be worth meeting him in town when he comes back from hiding up north

[CHOPPA]

shes long gone he sold it for 600 but yeah gonna be worth meeting him in town when he comes back from hiding up north

Oh man that hurts!! Insured?

[Biggles08]

Really interesting to hear about this. We had wheel nuts come loose on our trailer coming back south after the last Vic Round at Taupo. Luckily I found them loose at Waioru while getting gas. I run double lock nuts but only the 2 standard nuts had worked loose on the drivers side wheel.. My trailers an oldie but a goodie and after reading this thread there's a bloody good chance this meathead has played with our gear too. If I wasn't paranoid about wheel bearings from when I used to race boats I would never have found it. Dodged a bullet there for sure as I tow pretty quick when the roads good. This might just be a nutter rather than someone holding a grudge against anyone in particular. As for cutting tiedowns, that quite frankly scares the shit out of me!

write to MNZ and tell them mate. And go to the cops and report it even if they tell you it could have been an accident or your problem. If we all do it at least there is a paper trail.

[Ivan]

Oh man that hurts!! Insured?


fortunatly yes

[Ivan]

and back to this i think we may have someone who actually has pleasure by seeing people hurt you may find its not aimed at you Marcus just someone attacking everyone see our pit always has someone in it so no one can get to touch our stuff we need to find this person seriously before someone gets seriously injured

[Shaun]

and back to this i think we may have someone who actually has pleasure by seeing people hurt you may find its not aimed at you Marcus just someone attacking everyone see our pit always has someone in it so no one can get to touch our stuff we need to find this person seriously before someone gets seriously injured



Sorry to here about your bike mate, maybe a big fire hose up his arse will fix it for ya eh
See ya xmas time buddy and Hi to your family mate

[Biggles08]

So the Police have been contacted and the situation has been described as it occurred to them. They have lodged a complaint on file. I would urge anyone else who has had suspicious mishaps that have happened to them at the track to report it also...even if it is obvious nothing will come of it immediately. These types of incidences have a way of coming out in the wash if everyone is looking for the prick and tracking what is happening where and when.

[Shaun]

So the Police have been contacted and the situation has been described as it occurred to them. They have lodged a complaint on file. I would urge anyone else who has had suspicious mishaps that have happened to them at the track to report it also...even if it is obvious nothing will come of it immediately. These types of incidences have a way of coming out in the wash if everyone is looking for the prick and tracking what is happening where and when.



Well done man, only one way to end this shit

[ellipsis]

....some horrible little brain deads untied a bike from a trailer right outside the clubrooms down here after a meeting recently...were apprehended by the law not far from Ruapuna ' fanging the back roads'.....a one off I hope, but it does make you wonder about what goes on between their brain spacers....as if we needed more to think about when at a meeting...

[p.dath]

So the Police have been contacted and the situation has been described as it occurred to them. They have lodged a complaint on file. I would urge anyone else who has had suspicious mishaps that have happened to them at the track to report it also...even if it is obvious nothing will come of it immediately. These types of incidences have a way of coming out in the wash if everyone is looking for the prick and tracking what is happening where and when.

Do you perhaps have a case number and station that others could reference? It the complaint gets added to then it will probably be taken more seriously.

[pipson]

Seems to be a common occurence.
The Firns have also had a lot of trailer troubles, which may or may not be related.

Yes they had two nut missing from each wheel. This was at Manfeild at a Vic Club meet, luckly I was following & I could stop them before the Gorge.

[Biggles08]

Do you perhaps have a case number and station that others could reference? If the complaint gets added to then it will probably be taken more seriously.

The Police Station was at Constellation Drive, Albany, Auckland and the complaint reference number is 111115/0182

[speights_bud]

Yes as John said earlier, the Firns have had a few issues with their trailer (While its had my bikes in it), at least twice there were Brand new studs broken off brand new hubs, possibly due to bring loosened, happened after events in Taupo....

[Dreama]

Yes as John said earlier, the Firns have had a few issues with their trailer (While its had my bikes in it), at least twice there were Brand new studs broken off brand new hubs, possibly due to bring loosened, happened after events in Taupo....

I have to say that as an engineer I've been reading these posts with a degree of mirth.
Misalignment is one of greatest causes of mechanical failure, and no matter how tight they are, nuts, bolts and studs will fail in that circumstance unless they are total overkill for the usage .... wheel studs are not overkill and in fact it can be argued that are inadequate for the job. Four or five 7/16 studs to hold wheels on heavily laden trailers is minimilisim at best, then add misalignment into the equation.
The taper on wheel nuts have to exactly match the taper on the wheels ... the slightest deviation will mean they will work loose in stressful circumstances and intrinsically, the loads placed on bike trailers is often different to many other loaded trailers because of the weight biases, creating the stressful scenario.

Whilst the malicious sabotage theory may be possible, I do find it a bit theatrical. A person or group lurking about the pits with a wheel brace randomly loosening wheels nuts, or targeting individual trailers ....... sorry, I don't buy it.
I've repaired way to many catastrophic trailer wheel failures on boat trailers laden with the holiday gear to succumb to the 'sky is falling' thing.

[MSTRS]

... A person or group lurking about the pits with a wheel brace randomly loosening wheels nuts, or targeting individual trailers .......

Trailers, and the vehicles they are attached to, are often parked nowhere near the pits.
And these sort of failures are happening way too often at specific locations to be random chance. Coupled with things like partly cut tiedowns...well...

[manxkiwi]

I have to say that as an engineer I've been reading these posts with a degree of mirth.
Misalignment is one of greatest causes of mechanical failure, and no matter how tight they are, nuts, bolts and studs will fail in that circumstance unless they are total overkill for the usage .... wheel studs are not overkill and in fact it can be argued that are inadequate for the job. Four or five 7/16 studs to hold wheels on heavily laden trailers is minimilisim at best, then add misalignment into the equation.
The taper on wheel nuts have to exactly match the taper on the wheels ... the slightest deviation will mean they will work loose in stressful circumstances and intrinsically, the loads placed on bike trailers is often different to many other loaded trailers because of the weight biases, creating the stressful scenario.

Whilst the malicious sabotage theory may be possible, I do find it a bit theatrical. A person or group lurking about the pits with a wheel brace randomly loosening wheels nuts, or targeting individual trailers ....... sorry, I don't buy it.
I've repaired way to many catastrophic trailer wheel failures on boat trailers laden with the holiday gear to succumb to the 'sky is falling' thing.




If Dreama's right the easy way to eliminate any foul play, is to check before and immediately after each substantial trip.

[codgyoleracer]

I have to say that as an engineer I've been reading these posts with a degree of mirth.
Misalignment is one of greatest causes of mechanical failure, and no matter how tight they are, nuts, bolts and studs will fail in that circumstance unless they are total overkill for the usage .... wheel studs are not overkill and in fact it can be argued that are inadequate for the job. Four or five 7/16 studs to hold wheels on heavily laden trailers is minimilisim at best, then add misalignment into the equation.
The taper on wheel nuts have to exactly match the taper on the wheels ... the slightest deviation will mean they will work loose in stressful circumstances and intrinsically, the loads placed on bike trailers is often different to many other loaded trailers because of the weight biases, creating the stressful scenario.

Whilst the malicious sabotage theory may be possible, I do find it a bit theatrical. A person or group lurking about the pits with a wheel brace randomly loosening wheels nuts, or targeting individual trailers ....... sorry, I don't buy it.
I've repaired way to many catastrophic trailer wheel failures on boat trailers laden with the holiday gear to succumb to the 'sky is falling' thing.


What he said +1.

[nodrog]

holyshit, deja vu.

[Biggles08]

I have to say that as an engineer I've been reading these posts with a degree of mirth.
Misalignment is one of greatest causes of mechanical failure, and no matter how tight they are, nuts, bolts and studs will fail in that circumstance unless they are total overkill for the usage .... wheel studs are not overkill and in fact it can be argued that are inadequate for the job. Four or five 7/16 studs to hold wheels on heavily laden trailers is minimilisim at best, then add misalignment into the equation.
The taper on wheel nuts have to exactly match the taper on the wheels ... the slightest deviation will mean they will work loose in stressful circumstances and intrinsically, the loads placed on bike trailers is often different to many other loaded trailers because of the weight biases, creating the stressful scenario.

Whilst the malicious sabotage theory may be possible, I do find it a bit theatrical. A person or group lurking about the pits with a wheel brace randomly loosening wheels nuts, or targeting individual trailers ....... sorry, I don't buy it.
I've repaired way to many catastrophic trailer wheel failures on boat trailers laden with the holiday gear to succumb to the 'sky is falling' thing.
I don't actually disagree with you Dreama but this specific incident has 100% confirmed to me that the nuts were in fact removed from x4 wheels of my trailer. What are the mathematical chances of x2 nuts on each of the remaining x3 wheels (as x1 wheel was about to fall off with only x1 nut hallf on) having 'worked loose' in exactly the same format? Pretty slim I would say! The trailer has x5 studs on each of the four wheels and each wheel had only x3 bolts remaining in the same pattern after this trip? Its worth noting also that I had checked my trailer tire pressures prior to leaving for this trip in Auckland and never noticed x1 nut missing while I did that (granted I didn't specifically look for it but its pretty obvious). I can't comment on the other incidences here but I know for certain my trailer was tampered with at taupo.

[codgyoleracer]

A) Invest in lock-nuts (or nuts with locks). (in your case chrome or anodized blingy ones are best used, or maybe those ones that shine bright pink at night)
B) Invest in thread locker Loctite
C) Drill and lockwire

Personally i have seen countless things like drainplugs, pinch bolts, brake caliper bolts, fork clamp bolts, axles either fall out , chains seperate, chain carriers fail or loossen to the point of a problem occuring. In 99% of cases it has been an issue of usually the owner (racer) not being the best of mechanics and not doing the job right. i include myself in that catagory.

However as most of us cannot justify carting around an A grade mechanic with us (unless our name is Shifrriffs, Stroud or Bugden) - then things like items A) B) & C) become more important "just in case"

Signed Glen "did i replace those R clips in my brake caliper pins ?" Williams.................... (no), followed by a lot of hurt :-)

[RobGassit]

Thank god for Kiwibiker. There is always someone on here ready to tell you how to suck eggs. Regardless of what the Engineering Wisdom on here say's, I'll be watching my gear in future. What anyone else does is up to them.

[gixerracer]

A) Invest in lock-nuts (or nuts with locks). (in your case chrome or anodized blingy ones are best used, or maybe those ones that shine bright pink at night)
B) Invest in thread locker Loctite
C) Drill and lockwire

Personally i have seen countless things like drainplugs, pinch bolts, brake caliper bolts, fork clamp bolts, axles either fall out , chains seperate, chain carriers fail or loossen to the point of a problem occuring. In 99% of cases it has been an issue of usually the owner (racer) not being the best of mechanics and not doing the job right. i include myself in that catagory.

However as most of us cannot justify carting around an A grade mechanic with us (unless our name is Shifrriffs, Stroud or Bugden) - then things like items A) B) & C) become more important "just in case"

Signed Glen "did i replace those R clips in my brake caliper pins ?" Williams.................... (no), followed by a lot of hurt :-)

WTF A grade mechanics haha. Last 3-4 seasons I have had my brother who works as a farm bike mechanic( Not qualifed) and my mate Rhys works as a car mechanic( Not qualified) Stoudy uses whiom ever he can bludge up for free and Bobbie Bugden has Red Fenton who is a Fireman to the best of my knowledge

[White trash]

This thread is epic. Love it.

[Biggles08]

This thread is epic. Love it.

Wheres Drew???? I thought he would be here too! :clap:

[codgyoleracer]

WTF A grade mechanics haha. Last 3-4 seasons I have had my brother who works as a farm bike mechanic( Not qualifed) and my mate Rhys works as a car mechanic( Not qualified) Stoudy uses whiom ever he can bludge up for free and Bobbie Bugden has Red Fenton who is a Fireman to the best of my knowledge

Oh yeah i forgot, ......... At least your mob know how to tighten handlebars.

[codgyoleracer]

Wheres Drew???? I thought he would be here too! :clap:

Last i heard he was off stealing trailer wheels........

[Biggles08]

Last i heard he was off stealing trailer wheels........

Ha! bastard!

[MSTRS]

Whilst what the engineers here are saying makes sense, can they please explain just how it is that a variety of trailers, which have all travelled a variety of distances to get there, have suffered failure on their way home after a day/weekend at a track?
And how many trailer towers have suffered these sorts of problems on their way TO the track?

[Brett]

Mate, I hope you catch whoever is doing this and teach them a lesson. That shit is really not cool. I am actually a bit stunned that someone would do shit like that. fucking with a racebikes suspension is a huge call to make, given that it can yield incredibly serious consequences.

[p.dath]

Whilst what the engineers here are saying makes sense, can they please explain just how it is that a variety of trailers, which have all travelled a variety of distances to get there, have suffered failure on their way home after a day/weekend at a track?
And how many trailer towers have suffered these sorts of problems on their way TO the track?

And if I understand correctly, it's on the way home from the Taupo track in particular ...

[Biggles08]

And if I understand correctly, it's on the way home from the Taupo track in particular ...

Well I had a trailer wheel actually fell off on the way home from Hampton Downs like I said. It is conceivable but unlikely that this was merely a freak occurrence but in light of the last incident I have my suspicions now.

[Dreama]

Whilst what the engineers here are saying makes sense, can they please explain just how it is that a variety of trailers, which have all travelled a variety of distances to get there, have suffered failure on their way home after a day/weekend at a track?
And how many trailer towers have suffered these sorts of problems on their way TO the track?

Well, obviously there is no engineering biased argument that could explain wheel nuts coming loose 'only' on the way home, and for the misalignment explaination to really be totally valid naturally some incidents would need to occur on the way to the track as well. To be honest, the only trailer incident I ever had was on the way to the track, but that was a broken spring so that doesn't count.

Anyway, since the people reading and posting on this thread are now aware of
a/ the misalignment concept I put forward and
b/ the nasty pricks lurking in the pits undoing wheel nuts and cutting tie downs
it should now be possible to eliminate both problems by
c/ checking that the trailer wheels have the correct rims to match the hubs and that the nuts are the correct match for the studs and rim tapers .... and
d/ check the trailer over thoroughly before leaving the track ... especially if you suspect someone dislikes you !!

Smartass comments aside .... it is a frightening thought that there really could be someone deviant enough to be doing these things.

[Jay GTI]

If Dreama's right the easy way to eliminate any foul play, is to check before and immediately after each substantial trip.

and if Dreama's wrong, the easy way to find out is check the nuts are all present and tightened when you arrive at the track, then check again just before you leave. If they work loose and go missing while the trailer is stationary, it's foul play.

[Moooools]

Come on guys, this is so easily explainable:

At a race meet you use gas. This makes your trailer lighter. Now the suspension has a specific spring constant, and deceasing the weight of the trailer increases the frequency of oscillation.
Taupo is near a Lake (I hear) so the moisture content of the air is much higher. This acts as a lubricant between the nuts and the wheels.

The higher frequency of the trailer is closer to that of the natural frequency of the wheel nuts, therefore decreasing the 'beat frequency' (resonance sort of) between them and vibrating them loose. And it only happens at Taupo because of the extra Lubrication.

Trust me, I'm an engineer. :shifty:

[Shaun]

Come on guys, this is so easily explainable:

At a race meet you use gas. This makes your trailer lighter. Now the suspension has a specific spring constant, and deceasing the weight of the trailer increases the frequency of oscillation.
Taupo is near a Lake (I hear) so the moisture content of the air is much higher. This acts as a lubricant between the nuts and the wheels.

The higher frequency of the trailer is closer to that of the natural frequency of the wheel nuts, therefore decreasing the 'beat frequency' (resonance sort of) between them and vibrating them loose. And it only happens at Taupo because of the extra Lubrication.

Trust me, I'm an engineer. :shifty:




Hahahahahaha The cheque is in the post for that info dude

[Deano]

Come on guys, this is so easily explainable:

At a race meet you use gas. This makes your trailer lighter. Now the suspension has a specific spring constant, and deceasing the weight of the trailer increases the frequency of oscillation.
Taupo is near a Lake (I hear) so the moisture content of the air is much higher. This acts as a lubricant between the nuts and the wheels.

The higher frequency of the trailer is closer to that of the natural frequency of the wheel nuts, therefore decreasing the 'beat frequency' (resonance sort of) between them and vibrating them loose. And it only happens at Taupo because of the extra Lubrication.

Trust me, I'm an engineer. :shifty:

I love it when my nuts are oscillating at their natural frequency.

Makes me feel all gooey inside.

[Biggles08]

I love it when my nuts are oscillating at their natural frequency.

Makes me feel all gooey inside.Wish I had some nuts to feel them oscillating...some bastard stole them :o

[Shaun]

Wish I had some nuts to feel them oscillating...some bastard stole them :o



New you were a BIATCH in disguise dude- et

[roadracingoldfart]

Nope...this trailer was not brand new and the nuts were removed off ALL four wheels exactly the same. Also on the other trailer Both sides were loose. Its no a coincidence...its wankers. I've had my suspension fucked with at the track too...all preload and compression wound all the way out!??! That shit don't happen by itself. Someone has an issue with me and can't come to my face and tell me about it.

These people are not too smart obviously so spread the word...they would have told someone something...we need to find them and stop them.

Wheels fall of new and old trailers Morris . Ive seen all sorts of loose wheel combos while working in transport inspecting as i do.


I don't believe its a racer or my competition...just someone who is regularly at race meetings...like a racers support crew or club members who have it in for me for some reason...who knows!?

You mean somebody thats at the track at the same time as your trailer is actually at the racetrack with you !!!


Unfortunately, I can believe what you are saying and if there is some nutter out there playing with people's gear then we need to find them before someone gets killed or seriously hurt. All it will take is for someone to bust them in the act and they are rooted so we all need to keep an eye out.

Maybe this should be mentioned at riders briefings to keep everyone alert?

Dan , keep an eye on ya gear all the time as its like a gas station forecourt to an asshole . Its just too tempting for them.


Thats is a very good idea. Sounds like someone is very jealous of the "haves". This prick needs to be found, and found pronto :nono:

It always was mentioned , you must remember that happening.


I have to say that as an engineer I've been reading these posts with a degree of mirth.
Misalignment is one of greatest causes of mechanical failure, and no matter how tight they are, nuts, bolts and studs will fail in that circumstance unless they are total overkill for the usage .... wheel studs are not overkill and in fact it can be argued that are inadequate for the job. Four or five 7/16 studs to hold wheels on heavily laden trailers is minimilisim at best, then add misalignment into the equation.
The taper on wheel nuts have to exactly match the taper on the wheels ... the slightest deviation will mean they will work loose in stressful circumstances and intrinsically, the loads placed on bike trailers is often different to many other loaded trailers because of the weight biases, creating the stressful scenario.

Whilst the malicious sabotage theory may be possible, I do find it a bit theatrical. A person or group lurking about the pits with a wheel brace randomly loosening wheels nuts, or targeting individual trailers ....... sorry, I don't buy it.
I've repaired way to many catastrophic trailer wheel failures on boat trailers laden with the holiday gear to succumb to the 'sky is falling' thing.

Well put.


If Dreama's right the easy way to eliminate any foul play, is to check before and immediately after each substantial trip.

Wash ya mouth out , plans are for pussys.


A) Invest in lock-nuts (or nuts with locks). (in your case chrome or anodized blingy ones are best used, or maybe those ones that shine bright pink at night)
B) Invest in thread locker Loctite
C) Drill and lockwire

Personally i have seen countless things like drainplugs, pinch bolts, brake caliper bolts, fork clamp bolts, axles either fall out , chains seperate, chain carriers fail or loossen to the point of a problem occuring. In 99% of cases it has been an issue of usually the owner (racer) not being the best of mechanics and not doing the job right. i include myself in that catagory.

However as most of us cannot justify carting around an A grade mechanic with us (unless our name is Shifrriffs, Stroud or Bugden) - then things like items A) B) & C) become more important "just in case"

Signed Glen "did i replace those R clips in my brake caliper pins ?" Williams.................... (no), followed by a lot of hurt :-)

Your worse than me ya shit stirrer. Blingy one's hahahaha .


Wish I had some nuts to feel them oscillating...some bastard stole them :o

I will check ya nuts and ya rims for you Morris , or just ask a clever person around you.


Ive seen many trailers with busted studs , loose or missing nuts , small cracks in the rims between stud holes. badly aligned wheels from manufacture or curb bashing !! there are just so many variables and as much as i agree there are wankers out there its not always the wankers fault.
I was reminded lately about a couple of dudes heading to the track and the trailer lost a wheel , so it does happen in that direction lol aye Mr Mair.??

[roadracingoldfart]

I hate you and think you are a poof.
Im just saying thats all:bleh:

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[White trash]

.
I was reminded lately about a couple of dudes heading to the track and the trailer lost a wheel , so it does happen in that direction lol aye Mr Mair.??

No I believe what happened to those two rookies was the trailer hitch broke off the drawbar. So the two muppets in question simply rode their race bikes to the track.:laugh:

[crazy man]

l use to build trailers for a living one thing to cheak that they were not blank hubs drill and had the studs put in by a ruff ass ! if the
studs are not in the middle of the hole and the tapers on the nuts and wheels dont line up! they will come of!
!

[roogazza]

Quite disturbing if someone is doing this stuff, and must be caught. I consider myself lucky hearing about trailer woes. Travelled round the country for years with trailers bouncing around on the back of a car and not at 90kph either, mostly 90Mph !
Never had a failure apart from ropes breaking and a RD350 cartwheeling down the road heading to Chch.
Mainly punctures from memory and had to stuff grass in a tyre once to get to Bay Park.
Catch this prick, if he is in fact out there.

[Disco Dan]

I have a b/w camera and monitor if it would help :innocent:

Used to be pointed at my bikes and attached to a VCR recording 24/7 - since selling my bikes it has remained unused.

You could 'hire' someone to keep an eye out from a distance armed with a camera phone. I'd do it - would love to get paid to sit in the pits for the day!

[Robert Taylor]

Hey Biggles! You came to us because the suspension ''setup'' on your bikes had been pretty ''scummy'' and reflecting in not so good results for you. It looks like you also need to change your trailer setup person.

[Owl]

If I wasn't paranoid about wheel bearings from when I used to race boats I would never have found it.

You had wheels on your boat?:scratch:

:D

[Biggles08]

Hey Biggles! You came to us because the suspension ''setup'' on your bikes had been pretty ''scummy'' and reflecting in not so good results for you. It looks like you also need to change your trailer setup person.

Ha! funny enough, my trailer seems to have no dampening effect either!!! Might need some quality gold leaf springs put in it! :Punk:

[codgyoleracer]

l use to build trailers for a living one thing to cheak that they were not blank hubs drill and had the studs put in by a ruff ass ! if the
studs are not in the middle of the hole and the tapers on the nuts and wheels dont line up! they will come of!
!

Three things i do know:
1) You are one ugly S.O.B Crazyman
2) Interesting how these supposed "organised crime types" with a fetish for wheel nuts owned but "the haves' are choosing trailers instead of flashy cars
3) Its been my experience that the types that would do this type of thing are typically too bone idle to carry anything as heavy as a whell wrench around with em

:-)

[Biggles08]

2) Interesting how these supposed "organised crime types" with a fetish for wheel nuts owned but "the haves' are choosing trailers instead of flashy cars
:-)

My trailer was left at Taupo track by itself over night on the Saturday...my car wasn't (and its not that flashy so that might be why too:msn-wink:).

[codgyoleracer]

My trailer was left at Taupo track by itself over night on the Saturday...my car wasn't (and its not that flashy so that might be why too:msn-wink:).

Maybe the "left overnight" comment should have been in the first post....... ?

[RobGassit]

Loosened wheel nuts would be noticed immediately in a car, not so a trailer. It's quite interesting how many people on here think Biggles is just delusional and that there has to be an engineering solution to the problem. You may have lived sheltered lives I suspect. There are plenty of crazy and angry people out there to fuck with you. If you doubt it read the paper. Arsonists are one example of WTF! The male nurse in OZ who just BBQ'd his clients is a classic.
My trailer has done thousands of trouble free kms. After a round at Taupo, ONLY the non locking nuts on the wheel are found loose! Give me a phuckin break people. And I suppose the Tie Down cut it's own wrist rather than hold down a phuckin bucket? Actually that's quite believable now I think about it.

[Biggles08]

Maybe the "left overnight" comment should have been in the first post....... ?

Sorry Glen...my bad. Although the intent was to raise awareness of this event happening allowing anyone that knew information on who may have been responsible the opportunity to come forward. It was not necessarily to give evidence as to collaborate my opinion of how/when it happened. I realize now after this thread people are having difficulty in believing someone could do this to other people and hence this information further backs up the reasons I have come to this conclusion.

More information is the trailer was parked in Taupo township (on the back of the car) for approximately 1/2 hour at about 4:30pm on the sunday as we had a quick Ale with Wolfpack Racing prior to heading back to Auckland (I don't believe this information is relevant however for the sake of sharing information there you go).

Regardless of the timing, I do still believe scum are amongst us at the track and that our trailer was victim of malicious actions of such scum. I didn't come down in the last rain shower and I understand the engineering of how these wheels can and do come loose in normal operation, but I am also not blind to the facts as they present themselves and the unlikely mathematical chances of how this could happen by chance. I have a technical mind like some of those who have posted on here (hell its my job to), but I do know that x2 wheel nuts do not come loose to such an extent as to fall off in exactly the same pattern on every wheel in one trip to Taupo and back (as that was the time frame we are talking about). I can only presume the 4th wheel that almost came completely off also had x2 wheel nuts removed and the x3 remaining worked themselves loose on the return trip.

Believe as you will, I will be a lot more vigilant in allowing people near our gear from this point forward as everyone becomes a suspect until more information is available.

[cowpoos]

So...I'm driving home tonight from Taupo, towing my new tandem trailer, when I start to hear a vibrating sound from the trailer...the vibrations start to get worse so I pull off the motorway just in time to see one wheel wobbling like it was about to come off. I pull over and check it to find it has only x1 bolt left on it (just) and x2 studs completely broken off from the wheel spinning on the studs with no bolts! I immediately check the other x3 wheels to find every one of them had x2 bolts missing from them!? All of them were taken off exactly the same and the ones that were left were starting to come loose too!

This is the second time this has happened to me in the last few race meetings. The last time I actually lost the left wheel when driving back from the final round of the Nationals. I was coming back up the bombay's when the left wheel started to vibrate and make a horrid noise so I began to pull over off the motorway when it came completely off.

I would have liked to think that this was just a freak accident and a coincidence but at the time I had my suspicions. Now after tonight I know someone out there is a chicken shit with no morals or balls enough to confront me with whatever there issue is! If you read this post, know that when I find out who you are...and I will find out, I will fuck your shit up...promise!

For all you out there who read this and are as concerned about this as I am, I would ask you to be vigilant in the pits and if any of you have any information you would like to share with me about this incident, please come forward and tell me knowing you will remain completely anonymous.

I am going to the police tomorrow to report this to them so when we find this prick there is some paper trail to go back on. See you in court fucker!:finger:


If you gear and trailer is been fucked with.....that is truely wanker-ish....not to mention the fact that some coward has to resort to that sort of behaviour out of is obviously jealously....of your situation or standings. if and or when its discovered who this person/persons are....make sure you let everyone know who it is....very fucking publically!! its a crock!!

chin up fella!!


ps: your still a twat!

[cowpoos]

A)

Personally i have seen countless things like drainplugs, pinch bolts, brake caliper bolts, fork clamp bolts, axles either fall out , chains seperate, chain carriers fail or loossen to the point of a problem occuring. In 99% of cases it has been an issue of usually the owner (racer) not being the best of mechanics and not doing the job right.

Yeah....I've seen sidecars before too :)

[Biggles08]

ps: your still a twat!

Thank God! I thought I had entered a parallel universe there for a while!:gob: