It will never happen to me attitude

[Duke girl]

Why is it that you see Motorcyclist riding their bikes in Shorts, T-Shirts and Runners with the only piece of protection they are wearing is a Helmet.
Do they not think of the concequences of what could happen to them is they got bold off their machine and what the outcome could be for themselves.
Why protect your head if the rest of your body is left unprotected.

[slofox]

Coz dey's dummmmm..?

[Maha]

By law, a helmet is the only legal requirement (protection wise) that has to be worn while riding a motorcycle.

[evotime]

I got my learners about a year ago, haven't risen since but have now arranged to borrow a 250, I intended on wearing street clothes.
That's until while I was researching bike models on here I read a few forums talking about atgatt, they were enough to convince me.
Today I bought sidi boots, armoured gloves and 1tonne pants and jacket.

So don't dispear some people are listening.....
Now just a decent helmet to get, if I can find one that fits my large head

[Hitcher]

Why protect your head if the rest of your body is left unprotected.

Where's the fun in that?

"Living dangerously" clearly doesn't come at a high enough cost, or motorcycling isn't as risky as some wowsers may like others to believe.

Even helmets. Most states in the United States of America -- the most litigious country on this planet -- allow motorcycles to be ridden by helmetless riders and pillions.

[bluninja]

I wait till there's been a rash of bike accidents where people are injured and then go out and ride in just a pair of beach shorts and a collander for a helmet. Who needs protection whn all the bike accidents have been used up? It never happens to me, only other people have accidents

[paturoa]

By law, a helmet is the only legal requirement (protection wise) that has to be worn while riding a motorcycle.

Not quite - you also have to cover your dangly bits to protect others....

[unstuck]

Just seen a young dude going through town here on a scooter in sneakers, shorts and tee shirt, but he did have a helmet on. He came screaming up to the roundabout flat knacker and just about collided with a car. Would of been messy.:nono:

[Str8 Jacket]

Would of been messy.:nono:
*have been.

[Genie]

I'm sure I've read this before....:second:

[scumdog]

Meh, people drive cars not equiped with air-bags, ABS or stability-control.

And look at all the injury/fatal crashes involving cars like that....

ATGATT - ALL cars should be fitted with the above......

[unstuck]

*have been.

Fank u .:niceone:

[Milts]

Meh, people drive cars not equiped with air-bags, ABS or stability-control.

And look at all the injury/fatal crashes involving cars like that....

ATGATT - ALL cars should be fitted with the above......

I thought legally all news cars had to be, to a large extent - it's just that retrospectively fitting that to old ones doesn't happen?

Addendum: this "won't happen to me" attitude is prolific throughout humanity, in all aspects (don't need to save I won't lose my job....I can join the army it's just others who get hurt...) not just motorcyclists. In fact there have even been medical studies on this phenomenom: here's a Medline publication labelled "why it won't happen to me" - http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6536498

[scumdog]

I thought legally all news cars had to be, to a large extent - it's just that retrospectively fitting that to old ones doesn't happen?

Addendum: this "won't happen to me" attitude is prolific throughout humanity, in all aspects (don't need to save I won't lose my job....I can join the army it's just others who get hurt...) not just motorcyclists. In fact there have even been medical studies on this phenomenom: here's a Medline publication labelled "why it won't happen to me" - http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6536498

Nah, not ALL new cars have to have these gizmos -or to have all the gizmos.

And that is dead-right my friend, it is why 18 year olds were so keen to join the army during war-time - a subconscious thought that "It won't happen to me". (And we gave them the vote!:facepalm:)

[Berries]

Why is it that you see Motorcyclist riding their bikes in Shorts, T-Shirts and Runners with the only piece of protection they are wearing is a Helmet.
Do they not think of the concequences of................
Why is it that you see motorcyclists riding their bikes in leather boots, leather gloves, leather jackets, making them look like a stormtrooper or something when they only need to get from A to B and statistically they are going to get to point B without falling off?

Why is it that you see motorcyclists? Do they not think of the consequences?

If you start thinking about consequences you wouldn't get out of bed in the morning. You certainly wouldn't be riding a motorbike.

[jonbuoy]

Ride carefully and you won't need any gear.

[MSTRS]

Why is it that you see motorcyclists?

Thank goodness that there is at least ONE person who does.
Think about it...:msn-wink:

[nodrog]

OMG, WTF, Dey Wil DYE!

[nzmikey]

None of this gear is what you would call "Safe" then .......
we were legal ...... lol
250771

[HenryDorsetCase]

Due to a cock up on the "remembering to take some jeans with me" front I rode the scotter home from the gym a couple of weeks ago (jeans leather jacket helmet shorts and running shoes. Far out it felt like the most dangerous thing Ive done in years. Felt SO exposed it wasnt funny.

[nzmikey]

Due to a cock up on the "remembering to take some jeans with me" front I rode the scotter home from the gym a couple of weeks ago (jeans leather jacket helmet shorts and running shoes. Far out it felt like the most dangerous thing Ive done in years. Felt SO exposed it wasnt funny.

LOL look up ^^^^^^^^ now THAT is EXPOSED

[Murray]

Why is it that some motorcyclists wave at each other and some don't. Is there a KB Wave??

Sorry wrong thread, just realised its an ATGATT thread!!!

[spinergy]

Why is it that you see motorcyclists riding their bikes in leather boots, leather gloves, leather jackets, making them look like a stormtrooper or something when they only need to get from A to B and statistically they are going to get to point B without falling off?


Statistically you're even more likely to get to point B in a car without crashing, but when you're in one you still wear your seatbelt don't you...

[ellipsis]

...most of the things that were never going to happen to me, happened years ago...when are the fucking things I want to happen to me going to happen...

[Drew]

It has happened to me, but I still shoot to the shop in a t-shirt and runners on the bike no worries. It's more likely I won't get hurt, and I can't usually be bothered suiting up for a longer period of time than the ride would take.

[Haggis2]

Where's the fun in that?

Even helmets. Most states in the United States of America -- the most litigious country on this planet -- allow motorcycles to be ridden by helmetless riders and pillions.

More chance of being shot than having a whoopsy off the bike :msn-wink:

[willytheekid]

None of this gear is what you would call "Safe" then .......
we were legal ...... lol
250771

250779


dear god man....ATGATT!....ATGATT!!!

[spinergy]

My worst off happened 200m from my flat when I was just shooting 5min down the road to get something. Luckily I had all my gear on or it would have been a hell of a lot worse than it was. Even with all the gear I was hurting for a good 9 months...
My two cents, it could happen to you and wearing all the gear is part and parcel of riding the bike.

[Berries]

Statistically you're even more likely to get to point B in a car without crashing, but when you're in one you still wear your seatbelt don't you...
It's the law, of course I do. But not a five point harness jobbie combined with a flame retardant suit, helmet and neck support.

[Drew]

My worst off happened 200m from my flat when I was just shooting 5min down the road to get something. Luckily I had all my gear on or it would have been a hell of a lot worse than it was. Even with all the gear I was hurting for a good 9 months...
My two cents, it could happen to you and wearing all the gear is part and parcel of riding the bike.

Part and parcel for you. I can't even list the accidents I've had whilst not wearing the gear and walked and ridden away from. My bad accidents it didn't make any difference what I was wearing, bones crush between cars and bikes nomatter what you wrap it with.

[spinergy]

True, shit can and will happen. All I'm saying is that you will never find me without all my gear.

[Deano]

Part and parcel for you. I can't even list the accidents I've had whilst not wearing the gear and walked and ridden away from. My bad accidents it didn't make any difference what I was wearing, bones crush between cars and bikes nomatter what you wrap it with.

It's hard to beat experience ! You've mastered it bro.

[Drew]

It's hard to beat experience ! You've mastered it bro.

LOL, yeah mate. I should give lessons.

I'm just trying to be argumentative but no one seems to want to bite fuck it.

Wear the gear, don't wear the gear. I don't give a fuck and bet ya a hundred bucks it makes NO difference to ACC's figures and statistics.

[MSTRS]

Wear the gear, don't wear the gear. I don't give a fuck and bet ya a hundred bucks it makes NO difference to ACC's figures and statistics.

That's a bet I'd be tempted to take.
Moderate to severe injuries are the ones that cost ACC the big dollars, and those injuries will be lessened by wearing good gear.
It's not mandatory on the race track for no reason, is it?

[p.dath]

Why is it that you see Motorcyclist riding their bikes in Shorts, T-Shirts and Runners with the only piece of protection they are wearing is a Helmet.
Do they not think of the concequences of what could happen to them is they got bold off their machine and what the outcome could be for themselves.
Why protect your head if the rest of your body is left unprotected.

Its a perception of acceptable risk, and that perception varies from person to person. Call it diversity.

For example, I know someone who wont go in an elevator because they consider it too risky. And just as you might call them silly for being overly cautious from your view point, a person who wears almost no protection might call you silly for being overly cautious from their own view point.

[Drew]

That's a bet I'd be tempted to take.
Moderate to severe injuries are the ones that cost ACC the big dollars, and those injuries will be lessened by wearing good gear.
It's not mandatory on the race track for no reason, is it?

And what are we doing on the race track that we are most of us, (not including me) not doing on the road?

Racing, pushing the boundaries and limits as far as we dare.

The tiny percentage of lessened injury from everyone wearing all the gear would be near impossible to measure I think.

There will no doubt be a law change in the future on minimum safety gear, and it will cost millions of dollars for a team of non motorcyclists to come up with the plan for what needs to be said new minimum. If they took those millions and trained riders to actually ride, there would be a MUCH faster and HEAPS more notable difference in injuries resulting from bike crashes.

But keep moaning about the riders you see from time to time not wearing the gear, it's wicked awesome for the cause.

[Drew]

Its a perception of acceptable risk, and that perception varies from person to person. Call it diversity.

For example, I know someone who wont go in an elevator because they consider it too risky. And just as you might call them silly for being overly cautious from your view point, a person who wears almost no protection might call you silly for being overly cautious from their own view point.

How terribly profound.

Pointing out that people are all different is frowned on round here ya know. WE MUST ALL CONFORM FUCK YA!

[MSTRS]

There will no doubt be a law change in the future on minimum safety gear, and it will cost millions of dollars for a team of non motorcyclists to come up with the plan for what needs to be said new minimum. If they took those millions and trained riders to actually ride, there would be a MUCH faster and HEAPS more notable difference in injuries resulting from bike crashes.



On that score, you are 100% right.

[baptist]

...most of the things that were never going to happen to me, happened years ago...when are the fucking things I want to happen to me going to happen...

:corn::corn::corn::corn::corn: Bet you have a long wait :corn::corn::corn::corn::corn:

[PrincessBandit]

Statistically you're even more likely to get to point B in a car without crashing, but when you're in one you still wear your seatbelt don't you...

Ummmm, sometimes I break the law by not wearing mine (I love the feeling of being such a rebel, and it reminds me of the good old days when you weren't legally required to be belted in when you drove. Ah, showing my age).


As for atgatt, I am a firm believer in it; yet even I often ride - shock horror - wearing jeans instead of my leather pants. I've even ridden without my gloves! :shit: But as one never can predict when one might get up close and personal with the skin grating stuff that makes up our roads helmet jacket and boots with jeans is my bare minimum. The fact that my feet don't reach the ground on my bike when I wear sneakers has nothing to do with it...:whistle: Seriously though, I like my ankles as they are - call me vain - so boots are essential to me as well.

[MSTRS]

As for atgatt, I am a firm believer in it;
I've even ridden without my gloves! :shit:
But as one never can predict when one might get up close and personal with the skin grating stuff that makes up our roads
I like my ankles as they are - call me vain - so boots are essential to me as well.

The primary instinct is to put your hands out to fend off heavy landings etc. Unless one has trained oneself to not stop a fall with one's hands - gloves are the most important item after the helmet.

Seriously, gear is simply a line of defence before your skin comes into contact with the gratey bits. I saw the aftermath of a guy caught under his bike before it slid to a stop. He was wearing heavy leather shoes, which did a wonderful job of keeping his foot whole...but the ankle - that was another story :sick: . In his case, boots would have delayed bare flesh/bone being ground off and reduced the amount which was removed. But boots would not have stopped it altogether.

[FROSTY]

Hypothetical situation. Mr motobycyclist has the basic gear and is given a gift of $400 to spend on his choice of EITHER atgatt riding gear or a week long rider training course. Which would serve him better??
I genuinely feel that prevention is going to save a lot more lives and injuries than all the gear in the world.

[Taz]

Hey wow! a gear thread!! I use the gear that utilises the most efficient rpm's of the motor for the task at hand.

[imdying]

Why is it that you see Motorcyclist riding their bikes in Shorts, T-Shirts and Runners with the only piece of protection they are wearing is a Helmet.
Do they not think of the concequences of what could happen to them is they got bold off their machine and what the outcome could be for themselves.
Why protect your head if the rest of your body is left unprotected.There's another way to look at it.

If you aren't:
- wearing full leather air bag suit
- wearing motorcycle specific boots with travel limiters
- wearing a back protector with kidney belts
- wearing a glove up to the standard of say the Knox Handroid
- wearing a Sharp 5 star helmet or equivalent

on every single ride, then you're a hypocrite who needs to STFU. Why make a half arsed effort to protect yourself by wearing bullshit cordura with work boots and substandard gloves?

[MSTRS]

There's another way to look at it.

If you aren't:
- wearing full leather air bag suit
- wearing motorcycle specific boots with travel limiters
- wearing a back protector with kidney belts
- wearing a glove up to the standard of say the Knox Handroid
- wearing a Sharp 5 star helmet or equivalent

on every single ride, then you're a hypocrite who needs to STFU. Why make a half arsed effort to protect yourself by wearing bullshit cordura with work boots and substandard gloves?

That's a bit harsh.
Of course you are right in saying the 'best' gear will do the best job of protecting. However, any gear that is designed for the job of giving your skin etc a chance is better than everyday clothes.
Which is the point - the attempt is being made to mitigate injury, rather than simply believing "it won't happen to me"

[p.dath]

Hypothetical situation. Mr motobycyclist has the basic gear and is given a gift of $400 to spend on his choice of EITHER atgatt riding gear or a week long rider training course. Which would serve him better??
I genuinely feel that prevention is going to save a lot more lives and injuries than all the gear in the world.

Tough call. $400 isn't going to get you much more than "basic gear" that the rider already has. I'm assuming basic gear includes helmet, gloves, boots, jacket and protective pants of some kind.

So that being the case, and acknowledging that $400 isn't going to get them any significant increase in the level of protection, then training stands to have a better return for the money invested.

[imdying]

That's a bit harsh.
Of course you are right in saying the 'best' gear will do the best job of protecting. However, any gear that is designed for the job of giving your skin etc a chance is better than everyday clothes.
Which is the point - the attempt is being made to mitigate injury, rather than simply believing "it won't happen to me"Not harsh at all. You can't bitch about the level at which other people think is appropriate when your own level is below par.

Even wearing just a helmet is mitigating injury. If somebody is happy with that level, then there's no reason not to leave them to it. It's a bit galling to be berated by somebody who isn't even applying the maximum mitigation steps themselves.

[MSTRS]

Not harsh at all. You can't bitch about the level at which other people think is appropriate when your own level is below par.

Even wearing just a helmet is mitigating injury. If somebody is happy with that level, then there's no reason not to leave them to it. It's a bit galling to be berated by somebody who isn't even applying the maximum mitigation steps themselves.

Sorry, can't agree with that. Someone who takes the trouble to cover up with motorcycle-specific gear has the moral highground when it comes to comparing to someone who does the legal minimum.
Of course, it's all in the delivery if/when 'berating'...
The OP shot herself in the foot when she stated that she is a firm believer in ATGATT yet sometimes rides without it.

[Ocean1]

Someone who takes the trouble to cover up with motorcycle-specific gear has the moral highground when it comes to comparing to someone who does the legal minimum.

Only if their morals are dependant on the comparative behaviour of others.

In other words, hypocrites.

[MSTRS]

This is yet again going down the path of the unwinnable argument.

There is simply one immutable fact in the whole debate...gear mitigates injury.

[Ragingrob]

Sorry, can't agree with that. Someone who takes the trouble to cover up with motorcycle-specific gear has the moral highground when it comes to comparing to someone who does the legal minimum.
Of course, it's all in the delivery if/when 'berating'...
The OP shot herself in the foot when she stated that she is a firm believer in ATGATT yet sometimes rides without it.

Do Asian people wearing face masks have the moral highground over the rest of us?

[HenryDorsetCase]

Do Asian people wearing face masks have the moral highground over the rest of us?

the ugly ones do

[Berries]

This is yet again going down the path of the unwinnable argument.

There is simply one immutable fact in the whole debate...gear mitigates injury.
I think every man and his dog would agree with that. What gets me is when someone proclaims that their level of gear wearing is the best, and anyone who dresses below that standard is a twat, as in the OP. Imdying wasn't harsh, he was spot on. If you aren't wearing the 'ultimate' gear, whatever flavour that is today, one piece airbag suits, back protectors or helmet mounted strobe lights, you can shove your ATGATT comments up your arse. Not you personally like, just all the high priests and priestesses of ATGATT. If it works for you then fill your boots, but keep me out of it.

I saw a guy riding a bike down the main street yesterday in a leather jacket and shorts. My first thought?

Fat bastard.


Do Asian people wearing face masks have the moral highground over the rest of us?
Only if they stand on a box.

[p.dath]

Why is it that you see Motorcyclist riding their bikes in Shorts, T-Shirts and Runners with the only piece of protection they are wearing is a Helmet.
Do they not think of the concequences of what could happen to them is they got bold off their machine and what the outcome could be for themselves.
Why protect your head if the rest of your body is left unprotected.

I was looking at NZ mortality statistics yesterday, and I see about 50% more people die of Melanoma skin cancer than from motorcycles each year.

I hope now everyone is going to start wearing full body protective sun suits. :lol:

[Berries]

I bet if you look closely it'll be those twats riding motorbikes with no protective clothing. Because you are moving faster the gamma rays from the sun hit you at a higher speed meaning they can get further in to the old dermis. Because they get so deep , and at the acute angle caused by riding a bike, they don't fall out at night while you are asleep, compounding the issue.

I've not yet linked the horrific drowning death rate with motorcyclists but am working on it. Be something to do with open face helmets I am sure.

[imdying]

Nothing personal.

You pick your level and you take your chances. As it should be.

Just like riding a bike at all.

Next step is they dictate what we can ride in.

That'll suck to be a student previously able to ride their $500 scooter to after study employment when they find they can't because they need another $1000 in safety gear.

Next step after that is they ban bikes completely when they figure out that ATGATT doesn't actually stop solid objects from killing bikers.

Rode the blade to work in dress pants today, yesterday it was full armour. That's my business, not yours.

[nzmikey]

There will no doubt be a law change in the future on minimum safety gear, and it will cost millions of dollars for a team of non motorcyclists to come up with the plan for what needs to be said new minimum. If they took those millions and trained riders to actually ride, there would be a MUCH faster and HEAPS more notable difference in injuries resulting from bike crashes.

Drew that will never happen dude , come on ....... Thats logic & it would work , here in NZ we dont use common sense like that lol I have been talking about rider training for ages & how there is a lack off it , The problem is if the desk jockey muppets from ACC get involved & tell people how to ride we will be no better off .

( but I do agree with you )
god help me

[bluninja]

Maybe we need this 250884...not quite ATGATT...needs a shield lance and sword

[awa355]

As an ex Ambo officer, do any of you ATGATT riders realise how hard leather is to cut through? Bluntens those multi purpose sissors in no time. And they're not cheap.


A torn bloody T shirt is much easier to cut away.

[Duke girl]

As an ex Ambo officer, do any of you ATGATT riders realise how hard leather is to cut through? Bluntens those multi purpose sissors in no time. And they're not cheap.


A torn bloody T shirt is much easier to cut away.

lf you were wearing a T-Shirt there wouldn't be anything left to cut away. Problem solved.

[jonbuoy]

lf you were wearing a T-Shirt there wouldn't be anything left to cut away. Problem solved.

If you don't crash in the first place there won't be any blood.

[GrayWolf]

this is an interesting and somewhat 'sad' thread
From personal experience a pair of boots saved me losing a large chunk of skin and muscle from my lower calf and ankle, however, as correctly pointed out, it didnt stop bones being fractured or ligaments being torn.
As a teenager I watched a mate pull out from the kerb without looking and be rear ended by a car travelling at 60mph (100kph). it was a fatal collision, and no amount of armour or leather would have saved him.
I have seen and attended accidents where people have accumulated a large level of gravel rash, due to incorrect clothing.. I think most of us have seen the clip of the girl who came off her boyfriends bike at high speed (think there is a link in a thread in KB)
There was a member here called Chas a few years ago, some of us were on a wednesday ride down the Wainui coast road when he had a wee spill on a Hyo250 on gravel. Even his leathers succumbed in a small area to 'road rash' and he had some light skin abrasions in those areas.
Cordura is better than denim, leather is overall the best abrasion resistant material for the present.
Bones can be broken and organs can be damaged no matter what we wear, but ask anyone who has had a skin graft, it is excrutiating,,, so i guess its up to you if you are a pain freak, or a coward who'd rather not get hurt.

When I did an advanced riding course in the UK, the Police rider who ran it, gave a graphic demonstration which I have posted in KB before. A large piece of pork (raw) pushed hard for a few seconds onto '1 grit??' belt on a belt sander... the amount of meat removed was a highly graphic demonstration as to why we need to wear abrasion resistant gear.

[Duke girl]

If you don't crash in the first place there won't be any blood.

Crashing sometimes is out of our control, especially when it isn't our fault but the fault of those other road users who we share the road with and who lack concentration or who make bad decisions around us.

You never know when it could or if will ever happen, but wearing fully protected gear while out riding is the most sensible thing to do as its the only protection you have.

Each to their own and its purely up to each rider/pillon what they wear while riding, l just prefer to wear all of my Protective gear each time l am out on my bike. Thats my choice.

[Edbear]

Crashing sometimes is out of our control, especially when it isn't our fault but the fault of those other road users who we share the road with and who lack concentration or who make bad decisions around us.

You never know when it could or if will ever happen, but wearing fully protected gear while out riding is the most sensible thing to do as its the only protection you have.

Each to their own and its purely up to each rider/pillon what they wear while riding, l just prefer to wear all of my Protective gear each time l am out on my bike. Thats my choice.

And a fine choice, if I may say so... :niceone:

[jazfender]

Why is it that you see Motorcyclist riding their bikes in Shorts, T-Shirts and Runners with the only piece of protection they are wearing is a Helmet.
Do they not think of the concequences of what could happen to them is they got bold off their machine and what the outcome could be for themselves.
Why protect your head if the rest of your body is left unprotected.

Consequences are powerfully undude.

[jonbuoy]

Crashing sometimes is out of our control, especially when it isn't our fault but the fault of those other road users who we share the road with and who lack concentration or who make bad decisions around us.

You never know when it could or if will ever happen, but wearing fully protected gear while out riding is the most sensible thing to do as its the only protection you have.

Each to their own and its purely up to each rider/pillon what they wear while riding, l just prefer to wear all of my Protective gear each time l am out on my bike. Thats my choice.

Yup but seems a lot of people vilify someone riding sensibly but in shorts and t shirt but think its fine to be pushing it on the road as long as your wearing leathers boots and gloves.

[Katman]

Crashing sometimes is out of our control

Very rarely.

[sinned]

Why is it cyclists wear Lycra while motorcyclists should wear ATGATT just to go to the shops? Speed is about the same.

[unstuck]

Why is it cyclists wear Lycra while motorcyclists should wear ATGATT just to go to the shops? Speed is about the same.

Are you saying bikers need to shave their legs?:innocent:

[jazfender]

Why is it cyclists wear Lycra while motorcyclists should wear ATGATT just to go to the shops? Speed is about the same.

That's a point, in a 50km/h zone it would arguably be safer on a motorcycle than a bicycle.

Only point of contention really is that a motorbike falling on you would do far more damage.

[Berries]

Why is it cyclists wear Lycra while motorcyclists should wear ATGATT just to go to the shops?
Says who? Legally, you could wear lycra on your motorbike if it floats your boat, but not near me please. Unless you're really fit.........

Obviously on a motorbike you have to obey traffic signals, not ride on the footpath, pay your way through ACC and have a registration plate so you are identifiable. The only advantage to riding a pushbike that I can see is health related - you can smoke while pootling along.

[p.dath]

Why is it cyclists wear Lycra while motorcyclists should wear ATGATT just to go to the shops? Speed is about the same.

That's the "mee too" game. Some people commit suicide, so to be the same, do you think everyone else should as well?

Your safety is not related to what another group of road users are wearing.

[oneofsix]

That's the "mee too" game. Some people commit suicide, so to be the same, do you think everyone else should as well?

Your safety is not related to what another group of road users are wearing.

Not to mention, unless it has been already, that the motorised bicycle (motorbike) weighs a lot more the peddle powered bicycle and therefore imparts more inertial energy into the slide propelling the rider further.

[jazfender]

Not to mention, unless it has been already, that the motorised bicycle (motorbike) weighs a lot more the peddle powered bicycle and therefore imparts more inertial energy into the slide propelling the rider further.

Oh yah. Cool.

[Marnie]

It all hurts the same whether on a motorcycle or bicycle...and the same amount of morphine is required to dull the pain...

[p.dath]

It all hurts the same whether on a motorcycle or bicycle...and the same amount of morphine is required to dull the pain...

Except that a motorcycle weighs a lot more, goes a lot faster, and has a much larger power source. Factor that in, and I suspect you'll find that motorcycle accidents could hurt a lot more.